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Medical Trauma- Dr. Justin's Story · Millennial Mental Health Channel

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to MMHC, your go to mental health podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Eddie Cooreo, a licensed professional counselor.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm Justin Romano, a Board certified Child and Adolescent psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 2: We created MMHC to give listeners evidence based information directly
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  Speaker 2: from professionals who work in mental health.
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  Speaker 1: We're not influencers, We're not trying to sell you anything.
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  Speaker 1: We just want to bring love, empathy, and understanding of
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  Speaker 1: mental health into this world.
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  Speaker 2: And we really think that learning about mental health should
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  Speaker 2: be fun, interesting, and most importantly honest.
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  Speaker 1: So thanks for tuning in. This is a show by
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  Speaker 1: two millennials, but it is intended to be for everyone.
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  Speaker 1: We hope you enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 3: MMHC is a production of Speaker from iHeartMedia, I HEARTMA.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, loads and losses, welcome back to MMHC to
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  Speaker 1: have you What.
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  Speaker 4: Was the guy from The Simpsons? Was it Groundkeeper Willie?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, you're right, I do believe he was Scottish. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: largely basedline off of Craig ferguson the late night talk
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  Speaker 1: show host You Never Saw that, Craig. He was also
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  Speaker 1: the voice of the guy with the hook for a
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  Speaker 1: hand in how to train your dragon.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, I saw that too.
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  Speaker 1: Craig Ferguson. He's a Scotsman and I believe he's from
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  Speaker 1: Glasgow as.
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  Speaker 2: Well, like Keky Palmer, the one said I can see
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  Speaker 2: him walking down the street.
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  Speaker 4: Would a thing? I have no idea. Yeah, that sounds good.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's been a while. I figured why not
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  Speaker 1: start off with an accent. Let's do it.
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  Speaker 4: I like it. I like it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, everybody, thank you for coming back to our newest episode.
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  Speaker 2: If you haven't checked it out. We took a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a break, but we had the wonderful Collette
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  Speaker 2: guam On. She's a director. She just directed her first
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  Speaker 2: feature length film documentary titled Traces of Home. She's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like on on a little bit of a tour.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen on our Instagram recently,
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  Speaker 2: justin she's on a little bit of a what do
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  Speaker 2: you call it, like a playing tour, not a plane tour?
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  Speaker 2: What is it a premiere tour. We're just kind of
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  Speaker 2: all over the country her film is being played. It's awesome,
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  Speaker 2: she mentioned in the in our episode where you could
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  Speaker 2: find it eventually, so hopefully it's a little easier to
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  Speaker 2: watch in the future, but we want to shout her out.
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  Speaker 2: That was a great episode to come back to after
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of a break. If I think we
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  Speaker 2: mentioned in the episode, but we'll talk about it a
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  Speaker 2: little more. We took a little bit of a break.
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  Speaker 2: Justin and his wonderful wife Dana had a baby recently.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to them. There was a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what, I don't know how to title it,
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  Speaker 2: Justin there was just it was a tough It was
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  Speaker 2: a tough birth. That's kind of the premise of today's episode.
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  Speaker 2: We do want to give a content warning. Uh, this
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  Speaker 2: can be pretty difficult for some people to listen to.
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  Speaker 2: It is about a very stressful, intense birth.
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  Speaker 4: That Justin and his wife Dana experience.
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  Speaker 2: We do really appreciate Justin want to share it and
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  Speaker 2: talk about medical trauma because of it and just their experience.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, we just want to give a content warning.
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  Speaker 2: It can be a pretty tough topic for some people
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  Speaker 2: to listen to. So if you do choose to keep
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  Speaker 2: on listening, we'll start here in a little bit, but
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  Speaker 2: if not totally fair, we'll be back in a couple
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  Speaker 2: weeks with another episode. Anyway, but either way, we appreciate
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  Speaker 2: everyone being here. So justin You and I have talked
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  Speaker 2: a good amount through text and just kind of checking
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  Speaker 2: in on each other over the last few months.
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  Speaker 4: Talking with Dana.
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  Speaker 2: You want to tell us a story, you want to
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  Speaker 2: share a little bit about what's going on recently.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Dana was pregnant. My wife is pregnant. We
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  Speaker 1: had planned to do a scheduled sea section because baby
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  Speaker 1: was breach and our first one also had to be
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  Speaker 1: a C section too, So repeat sea section the day before.
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  Speaker 1: And this is me a middle of February. The day
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  Speaker 1: before we were supposed to go in for the sea section,
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  Speaker 1: my wife and I have a casual conversation about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if anything bad happens to me, like this is what
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  Speaker 1: I want do this. I'm like, Dana, don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing bad's gonna happen. Everything's gonna be fine. We're worrying
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  Speaker 1: too much. This happens all the time. So we get
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  Speaker 1: up early in the morning, we go to the hospital
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  Speaker 1: for a sea section. The sea section itself went pretty smooth.
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  Speaker 1: They said the baby had a hard time getting out
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  Speaker 1: of the uterus. They had to like, you know, kind
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  Speaker 1: of really pull him out of there, and he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: really breathing at first, and so they had to resuscitate
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  Speaker 1: him a little bit, give him some oxygen, but perked
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  Speaker 1: right up. Did find no big deal, super happy moment.
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  Speaker 1: Baby's out. You know, I get to see him, I
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  Speaker 1: get to touch him, we get to hold him, hold
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  Speaker 1: him up next to mom's face as she's getting sewn up,
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  Speaker 1: take some pictures, really really beautiful and awesome moment. And
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  Speaker 1: then so afterwards we go back to our regular room,
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  Speaker 1: our hospital room, and you know, we're hanging out. It's
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  Speaker 1: about two hours in. We're just holding our baby, snuggling
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  Speaker 1: on him, loving him as much as we can, and
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  Speaker 1: Dana just starts to get more and more pale, and
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  Speaker 1: it even starts to even get a little gray, and
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  Speaker 1: we're like, WHOA, what's going on here? She just wanted
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  Speaker 1: to hold her baby so bad. She wasn't thinking about
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  Speaker 1: herself or her health at all. And then her obgyn
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  Speaker 1: actually came in and found that she was still really
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  Speaker 1: bleeding a lot, had a lot of uterine bleeding and
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  Speaker 1: was throwing out like really big clots. So I actually
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  Speaker 1: saw one of those clots. And I usually am pretty
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  Speaker 1: good about not getting faint, but man, it was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of blood, and it was you know, from my
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  Speaker 1: wife too, So like I got a little sick and
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  Speaker 1: I had it laid down for a second and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, what's going on.
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  Speaker 4: My stomach was just.
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  Speaker 1: Not feeling it felt a little dizzy. The same thing
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  Speaker 1: happened to me one time while I was trying to
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  Speaker 1: do a lumbar puncture in residency, and I like scraped
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  Speaker 1: someone's spinal cord with the or sorry, someone's their spine
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  Speaker 1: one of the bone with a needle, and just that
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  Speaker 1: scraping noise just hit me in a way that I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, got to sit down for a second.
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  Speaker 1: So the doctor then told us after she found all
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  Speaker 1: the blood, she was like, okay, we're estimating that after
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  Speaker 1: the surgery, she's already lost about two leaders of blood.
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  Speaker 1: Usually the average female has about four leaders total, so
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  Speaker 1: we're like, oh, she's lost half of her blood already.
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  Speaker 4: That's not good.
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  Speaker 1: They told us that she needed to get into emergency surgery.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they came in with the consents, we signed
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  Speaker 1: some forms. Twenty people, it seemed like, rushed into the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: It's a teaching hospital, so there was just tons of
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  Speaker 1: people getting her ready to go. Dana said that on
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  Speaker 1: her way down, like everyone, she could tell that everyone
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  Speaker 1: was worried, and everyone was like holding her hand and
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  Speaker 1: saying like, hey, this is gonna be okay, and she's like, WHOA,
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  Speaker 1: how bad is this? So the surgeon initially told us
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  Speaker 1: that it was going to be like a forty five
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  Speaker 1: been a procedure. Sometimes when you're uterus is bleeding, they
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  Speaker 1: can go in there and put a balloon in there
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  Speaker 1: inflate it. It stops the bleeding. There's a couple of
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  Speaker 1: different procedures that you can do to stop the bleeding.
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  Speaker 1: But about an hour into what was supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: a forty five minute procedure, the charge nurse and a
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  Speaker 1: social worker came walking in, and I know from being
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  Speaker 1: a doctor that that's never a good sign. So they
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  Speaker 1: told us that Dana was in critical condition and that
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  Speaker 1: she was still bleeding a lot, that they had to
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  Speaker 1: bring in a second surgeon to help assist in try
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  Speaker 1: and stop the bleeding, and that she was on a
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  Speaker 1: mass blood transfusion protocol because she had lost so much
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  Speaker 1: blood and they needed to get more and more blood
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  Speaker 1: into her. I can't remember the exact specifics, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she needed like four units of regular blood, four units
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  Speaker 1: of plasma, four units of fresh frozen red blood cells
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  Speaker 1: or packed red blood cells, just like a lot, like
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  Speaker 1: about ten minutes of blood total, which is a lot.
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  Speaker 1: So the bleeding would would not stop. So Dana's parents,
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  Speaker 1: her stepdad and her mom were in the room with me,
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  Speaker 1: just waiting for her, and we were just so worried
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  Speaker 1: and so scared. I was just I was crying. I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't look at the clock because every second that ticked
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  Speaker 1: by was another second that she was supposed to be out,
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  Speaker 1: Like it was another second that I'm like, Okay, she's
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  Speaker 1: still bleeding. She's still bleeding, she's still bleeding. So I
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  Speaker 1: just had to just stare and cry instead at the
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  Speaker 1: floor or stare at the floor. I was holding Dana's
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  Speaker 1: mom's hand and we were just saying, like, she's going
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  Speaker 1: to be okay, She's going to be okay. We just
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a ton of answers at the time. That
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  Speaker 1: was one of the scariest parts that, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: charge nurse would come in and said she was critical,
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  Speaker 1: she was getting blood. They needed the other surgeon, but
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  Speaker 1: she was like, I don't know anything else other than
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  Speaker 1: that everyone who knows more is in the room with
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  Speaker 1: her trying to save her life right now. And I
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  Speaker 1: was just like, oh my gosh, just panicking, just all
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  Speaker 1: these thoughts going through my head of like what if
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  Speaker 1: she dies, what if she's gone, What if I have
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  Speaker 1: to tell my three year old that his mom's never
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  Speaker 1: coming home again? What am I gonna do with this
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  Speaker 1: brand new baby without his mom? And I have never
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  Speaker 1: been that scared in my entire life, because it was
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  Speaker 1: it was so real. It never I'd never been that
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  Speaker 1: close to losing someone that close to me before. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I called my parents, who I hadn't told
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  Speaker 1: him anything yet because it all happened so fast, and
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  Speaker 1: I was on the phone with my parents and just
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  Speaker 1: started crying again, and I was like, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what to do. I'm panicking, I'm freaking out. And right
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  Speaker 1: as I was like getting off the phone with my parents,
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  Speaker 1: her nurse came in and said she's out of surgery,
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  Speaker 1: she's stable, she's okay, And I just like hyperventilated in
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  Speaker 1: relief just being able to breathe again. I was just
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  Speaker 1: just NonStop, Oh my god, she's okay.
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  Speaker 4: I just I couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: It was such a weird moment of relief, but panic
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  Speaker 1: h and the whole time, our new baby, our baby Bo,
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  Speaker 1: was just he's chilling. He didn't make a peep for
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  Speaker 1: the three hours that she was in surgery. He was
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  Speaker 1: just cuddled in his soft little blanket. And he was
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  Speaker 1: our emotional rock during all of this. He was the
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  Speaker 1: most stable one. He cried the least out of everyone
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  Speaker 1: in there, and so everyone, everyone just took this huge
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  Speaker 1: breath and sigh of relief. And after it happened, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Dana had to spend the night in the ICU, and
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  Speaker 1: she had all the hormones going through her body and
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  Speaker 1: she's just saying, like, I just want to hold my baby.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to hold my baby. But they wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: let the baby come to the ICU because the ICU
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  Speaker 1: is not totally prepared, and a lot of doctors said
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  Speaker 1: like this rarely ever happened to where a new mom
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  Speaker 1: has to spend time in the ICU, so we don't
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  Speaker 1: have like a set protocol for this. They did let
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  Speaker 1: him come down for about forty five minutes and and
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  Speaker 1: Dana got to hold Bo for just a couple of
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  Speaker 1: minutes while she was in the ICU recovering, and then
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  Speaker 1: the rest of our hospital stay like it felt like
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  Speaker 1: everyone in the hospital came in to check on us.
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  Speaker 1: So many people were just like, Hey, I was in
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  Speaker 1: your surgery. Hey, I was the pharmacy tech. Hey, I
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  Speaker 1: was one of the surgery techs. I just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: come check in on you, make sure you're okay. It
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  Speaker 1: just made us realize, like how everyone in the room
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  Speaker 1: really thought that it was something that could have been fatal,
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  Speaker 1: that could have been very very serious. So our ob
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  Speaker 1: said that that was the first time that had have
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  Speaker 1: actually happened to her where she had an uncontrolled bleed
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  Speaker 1: that had to go back to the operating room. She
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  Speaker 1: ended up having to get an emergency hysterectomy, so they
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  Speaker 1: had to take out her entire uterus to stop the
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  Speaker 1: bleeding because all of the different procedures and things that
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  Speaker 1: they tried just weren't working at all, so they just
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  Speaker 1: had to take the whole thing out and call it good.
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  Speaker 1: This was by far the most traumatic thing I have
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  Speaker 1: ever experienced, and at one of the follow up visits,
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  Speaker 1: our doctor told us that if you would have been
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  Speaker 1: at an outside hospital or a place that wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: Level one trauma center. You would have bled out and
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  Speaker 1: transit and you would have died on the road or
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  Speaker 1: in a helicopter. And when I was waiting for her
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  Speaker 1: in surgery, I just had this vision of her like
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  Speaker 1: dying on the operating table and just being alone, and
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  Speaker 1: that just killed me too, because yeah, no one ever
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  Speaker 1: wants to go out like So, yeah, it was a
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  Speaker 1: traumatic thing, but luckily everyone ended up okay.
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  Speaker 4: Baby was fine.
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  Speaker 1: Dana actually made an amazing recovery and actually discharged from
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  Speaker 1: the hospital on time for a regular sea section. She
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  Speaker 1: was a monster and didn't like take any opioid medicines
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  Speaker 1: because she was like, I don't want to worry about
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  Speaker 1: taking opioids and sometimes it causes constipations. So she's like,
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  Speaker 1: she just took taylan al and ibuprofen after after major
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  Speaker 1: surgery and like a double sea section where they had
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  Speaker 1: to open her back up and go back. So she
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  Speaker 1: is just tough as nails. In the aftermath, I just
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  Speaker 1: found myself repeating the story a million times, going over
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  Speaker 1: it over and over and over again, telling all my
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  Speaker 1: friends and family the story. And one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I want to talk about is that that's one
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  Speaker 1: of the biggest parts of trauma therapy is telling that
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  Speaker 1: story so many times that it takes the emotion out
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  Speaker 1: of it a little bit every time. And I'm really lucky.
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  Speaker 1: I had lots of friends, lots of family checking in
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  Speaker 1: on me the whole time, and it really did help,
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  Speaker 1: and I leaned into it. I didn't want to say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's fine, I don't want to talk about it, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to think about it because it was so hard,
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  Speaker 1: because that's the mindset that so many Americans have, that oh,
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  Speaker 1: I just I'm not gonna to think about it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just going to move on. But it's really healthy to
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  Speaker 1: tell that story. It's healthy to get it all out,
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  Speaker 1: and it's healthy to tell it to people you love
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  Speaker 1: and who are listening and who are validating too, and
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  Speaker 1: that helps you get past it and get through it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that was one of the big reasons
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  Speaker 1: why I didn't have any like PTSD symptoms or anything
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  Speaker 1: from it, because I was able to tell that story
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  Speaker 1: so many times. But it's still hit me that that
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  Speaker 1: fear still hits me every once in a while, where
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  Speaker 1: it just it that thought comes into my mind of
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  Speaker 1: just like holy shit.
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  Speaker 4: She almost died.
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  Speaker 1: Like we were close and we lost control fast and
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  Speaker 1: there was nothing I could do. And still cry every
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  Speaker 1: once in a while. Sometimes Dana and I just look
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  Speaker 1: at each other and we're like, what the hell happened? Like,
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  Speaker 1: what what happened? So that's my story.
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  Speaker 4: Take a second, man, God damn that I know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel the emotion this many states away, man, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like this. We've known each other a long
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  Speaker 2: ass time. This is the I think, maybe most emotional
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  Speaker 2: we've felt together, even virtually. So I I you're sharing it.
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  Speaker 2: Dana is a trooper, She's a bad as shad out
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  Speaker 2: to you Dana walking through Portugal three months before giving birth,
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  Speaker 2: Like she's just she's just a badass. So I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: you guys are doing doing better in a better spot.
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  Speaker 2: I yeah, I mean that's the kind of as like
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  Speaker 2: an anxious minded person. That's just the kind of stuff
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  Speaker 2: that I, like, you know, fills my brain a lot,
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  Speaker 2: just in general. And so for you guys to experience
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  Speaker 2: it and for you to be willing to share it,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I appreciate it as your friend, and I
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  Speaker 2: think I'm hopeful that our listeners can at least appreciate
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  Speaker 2: here in that because I think that's been part of
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  Speaker 2: our whole show has been to talk about things and
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  Speaker 2: try to normalize things, because things are not all all
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  Speaker 2: peachy all the time.
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  Speaker 4: They're not all.
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  Speaker 2: Butterflies and rainbows. And I think especially for you and
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  Speaker 2: I like working with teenagers, like having those real conversations
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  Speaker 2: because it's not all rainbows. Especially in the work that
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  Speaker 2: we do, it's not all sunshine. And fortunately it hasn't
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  Speaker 2: gotten like to this level with me and my career
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  Speaker 2: yet with clients and patience. But I don't know, I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate you sharing it, But man, when I got the
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  Speaker 2: text from you when everything happened back a few months,
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  Speaker 2: I just kind of stared at it for.
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  Speaker 4: Walks and what the fuck?
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  Speaker 2: Man, Like, Yeah, it was like not a correct thing
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  Speaker 2: to say, uh oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we want to lead by example if something goes wrong.
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  Speaker 1: We can't expect young people to just learn how to
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  Speaker 1: talk about their emotions and feelings like we got to
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  Speaker 1: do it ourselves, and so that's a big part of
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  Speaker 1: this show. But yeah, the tricky part was that we
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  Speaker 1: thought everything was okay, like data had gotten through the
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  Speaker 1: C section. We were in the recovery room, so I
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  Speaker 1: sent out the message with a picture like everyone's healthy,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's good. Oh and then it hit the fan. So
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  Speaker 1: then I had to, like I told my close friends
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: and family. I was just like, well, I thought we
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: were okay, but we were not out of the woods,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and it hit the fan very fast.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: We could just take a couple, yeah for sure.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: I'm just glad you guys are okay.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Then you were awesome through it all,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: and you guys sent us some good door dash money
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: to keep us fed.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: And small, small thing we could do.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Man, I'm just glad you guys are good. Shout out
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: to bol not not causing.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Problems waiting Yeah yeah. And then a couple of weeks
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: later he got he was pretty colicky and had reflexed,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: so he caused problems later. But day of he was
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a real angel.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: He knows how to read the room. He's emotional intelligence.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Let's go both already. Yeah what three hours old and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: he was already like, you know what, you guys have
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: your moment, get through this. I'll cry later.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: I'm sensing something in this room.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Oh well, like we talked about a little bit, I
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: mean just justin wanted to share this and talk a
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: little bit about medical trauma, because this is one of
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: those things that's like it happens a lot, and should
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I say a.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Lot, it happens. It's one of the things that does happen.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: There's no our medical techniques and the level of training
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: skill that our doctors and practitioners have now they're not perfect.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, things happen, and so Justin want to take
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: the opportunity to.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Talk about it, excuse me his experience, but also talk
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: about the realness of medical trauma, so to give everyone
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: a definition. So according to the International Society for Traumatic
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Stress Studies, the definition of medical trauma is defined as
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: a set of psychological and physiological responses to pain, injury,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: serious illness, medical procedures, and frightening treatment experiences.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Justin just said, I mean.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: All of the above, right, every piece of it, Like
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: it's exactly that.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And Dana definitely had the worst of it. She
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: was going through it, but she'll always tell she'll often
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: tell people that she was asleep for most of it.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: She was out and in surgery. So she's like, I
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't too worried because I was asleep, But Justin was.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: He was the one and her mom was too that
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: we were just sitting there sweat and bullets, hoping that
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: she was going to be okay. But it's one thing
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I've been able to help other people with as a
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: psychiatrist is I know that a lot of people go
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: through medical trauma. And I've got some patients who have
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: had strokes, seizures and tricky places, They've had serious medical
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: things happen to them, and they have PTSD symptoms from
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it too. So I know we often associate PTSD with
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: like near death situations, natural disasters, that kind of thing,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: but actually one of the most common ones is just
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: medical trauma and bad things happening to you in a
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: hospital setting, because it can happen a lot if.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: You want to take it a step further too, I mean,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: how many minority populations just have medical trauma from how
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: their ancestors have been treated from the medical system, right,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I think that's all for sure, piece that we often
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: overlook I think too, and it almost I won't say
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: it makes me feel guilty, but it definitely makes me think.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: The longer that I'm that I do this, the more
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that I try to give it a second thought. Of
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: like if I have a client, a patient, a student
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: in front of me, and I'm concerned for their safety,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: thinking like a step further of like it's not just
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: that simple, of like you should just go to the
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: hospital and get checked in and get support that way.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: There's a lot that goes into it. You end up
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: in a room with no bet I mean, I've had
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: patients clients in the past where they take away the
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: hospital bed and it's just a mattress in the corner,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: or because of things that they've said, they remove the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: remote control where they completely strip the room down, and
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that's traumatic by itself. And then if you take it
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: a step further, of clients patients that end up in
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: a residential or acute treatment program, You've got mirrors that
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: are bolted to the wall that barely give enough of
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a reflection so you get at least see yourself a
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: You got.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Bathroom shower curtains that have like those special like rods
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: and stuff that immediately fall off when they you know,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: any kind of pressures. But the special door handles, I mean,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that's all dramatic shit too, you know, And I early
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: on didn't think about it, But now you get clients
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: and patients that go and come back and they share
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: these stories. You're like, fuck, that's that's a very real
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: thing that we don't always think about. And you wrote
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: down too, like restraints that happened to some of our
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: clients and patients, I mean physical or chemical. I've seen both,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure you have too, And it's that's hard man.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: You're in an emergency department. People are yelling, people are screaming,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and it's not just in your room or the room
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: that you're in with this client or patient. It can
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: be across the hall and other things going on because
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: you never know what happens in the emergency department. Yeah,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: and then the restraints come out and that's yeah, it's
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: a lot. It's something that we often, I think overlook
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: as practitioners of like it's not just a simple as
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: like yeah, just go to the hospital and you'll be safe.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Might also cast some damage that it's going to take
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: a long time to reverse.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: You're right.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I've got so many families that tell me, like, we're
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: never going back to the emergency room because we had
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a bad experience.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Terrible experience. Yep.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's such a shock too. I've had patience
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: go to the psych hospital for the first time. And
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you know, when you're young, when you're like a teenager fourteen,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: fifteen years old and you get put in a psychiatric hospital,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you don't know what's going on, Like, you don't know
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the process. You've never seen this before, and all you've
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: seen is like movies and different forms of media that
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: tell you that you might be there for a long time.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Like you, there's a lot of unknown there that is
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: extra stressful too. So it's a weird system that we
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: have of sending young people to like a psychiatric hospital.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And I remember learning in residency that there's no real
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: good data that shows that are system really helps. But
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a cover your butt system.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It's like, what else are we going to do with
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: people who are feeling suicidal but send them to a
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: place where there's eyes on them all the time? Does
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: it actually help people? Maybe we don't really know.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is hard to have a klin Er patient
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: come back and be like yeah, that that sucked. Yeah,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And that again is like fuck man, Like you guys
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: trusted me. I sat there with you for an hour
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: or two hours trying to plan this out, and then
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: you win and it was just a shit experience, Like
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: fuck yeah, it sucks, and.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: It could be so expensive too. Families have told me
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it's like fifteen hundred dollars a day just to have
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: them sit in groups and talk about their feelings and
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: have a doctor chat with them for five minutes.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: That's so it's like this. I wish we could really
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: reform the impatient just system that we have in this country.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: And when people are in crisis this mode, how do
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: we actually handle it and deal with it?
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have a I'm gonna keep my comments
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to myself, trying to be good.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: One stat in fact we have for today from dietor
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Rehetal in twenty twenty is that ten to thirty percent
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: of people with severe hospital experiences will go on to
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: develop PTSD. So it's a pretty common thing. And how
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: many people every day have severe traumatic hospital experiences. So yeah,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: it's a big source of PTSD in this country.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like we've talked about before, when it
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: comes to diagnosing right, a lot of it is perceived
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: threat or perceived danger for people, and we often overlook
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: that a hospital can be dangerous for some people. It
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: can be medical clinics and practices can be dangerous for
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: people for a lot of different reasons, and we overlook
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that a lot of the time going into discussion. And
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know the best way to phrase this. I mean,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you said you and Danna kind of had
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: an offhanded comment the day before, you know, like what
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: if this, what if that? Yeah, But now that this
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: has happened, I mean, how do you think your perspective
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: has changed of just I don't know, childbirth, the medical system,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: all of the above.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I don't even know a good way to phrase it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I feel really lucky. I feel really lucky that we
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: made it out with her life. Thinking about what could
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: have happened. Sitting there thinking like what if I have
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to do this without my wife, Like what if I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: have to become a single parent? Made me really understand
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: that there's a lot of just bullshit in the world,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff that you get hung up
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: that's really minuscule and not important. And it made me
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: just realize, like what is important, and it's our love,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: our family, our connection, And we almost lost that, we
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: almost lost the whole thing, and so everything else just
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: seemed so small in the grand scheme of things. So
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I think it helped refocus me on what is important
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: in life and who is important in life, and how
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: lucky I am to have what I have and to
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: still have my wife.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is hard.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's hard the.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Experiences like that having it, not that they have to,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: but like shaping your reminding almost like grounding, like putting
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: us back into a place where we can understand that
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: like a lot of these things in the grand scheme
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: of things are not that big of a deal, but
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: it's so hard on the everyday, day to day move
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and everything moves so fast, just we get wrapped up
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: in these little things and then something like this happens
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: in it and forced us to take a step back,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: and it's just I don't know, I don't have a
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: good way to wrap up that thought other than again,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I'm just glad it's it's worked out for you guys.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: If we're okay.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, glad, everyone's okay. And that's a good moral of
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the story. And I we really are lucky, Like it
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: really could have gone the other way. And I know
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of people out there where it
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: did go the other way. And I know, we mentioned
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: some racial disparity stuff, but that's especially more likely to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: happen in African American women where they're more likely to
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: die in childbirth and white women in this country. And
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: it's like, now that I have a taste of how
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: awful that is, it's just it's such an injustice in
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: this country that we can't figure that problem out.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate you sharing it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, thanks for listening.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, How do we tell us out? So we're glad
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: you're okay?
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, instead of going to therapy, talk to
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: your best friend on a podcast about your your traumatic
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: experiences therapy.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, waste the money anyway, Just kidding. And Sam, if
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: you're hearing this my therapist, I'm just kidding.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Therapy is awesome. We love it. Yeah, play us out.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll be back next time with another episode. Until then,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: thank you all for listening. You know the deal Apple podcasts,
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• 29:29
  Speaker 2: dot com. Shout out again to Dana for being a
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: fucking trooper. Throw all this shout out to Justin for
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: being there both. Thanks for keeping your crying to yourself
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: for a little bit. Liam, just shout out to you too. Bud,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: shout out to you all for everything being okay, and
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: remember take care of all mentals.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Hold up, we got one more thing for you today.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I know it's been a while since I've done any music,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: but if you've been listening to the show, you know
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: that this is my way of getting out my feelings
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and emotions in a healthy way. Our baby was kind
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: of difficult. He had bat reflux and gurd and a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: colic and was up for three hours in the middle
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: of the night screaming, and those were incredibly hard nights.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I tried to come up with a song that I
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: could sing to him that would keep him calm, and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: so I came up with this one. Did it work?
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Not really, but hey, I still liked this song, so
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I figured I would share it with you guys. So
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: here is You're worth it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Anita, A song to sing to my baby six weeks
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: soul and call it. It's gotta be soft day and
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: sweet and simple. Gotta me something easy to sing The
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: mail they float song, Well you drift off to sleep
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: making funny face sis her wander, will you dream? And
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: never know how much she goes give you life? I
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: almost hard to say to my wife the hope you
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: know you with it? You're forever perfect? Hope you knowyo
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: with it to me? And leading a song to suit
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: to my baby six weeks soul and call it. It's
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: gotta be soft, read and simple. Gotta something easy to say.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: The mely floats while he drifts off to sleep, making
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: funny faces her why wander?
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: What you dream?
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: You never know how much it costs to give you life?
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Almost had to say back to my why, hope.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: You know You're worth it?
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: In my eyes, you're perfect, you are worth it to me.
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