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How to reduce the toxic load on your body, with Dr Nicole Bijlsma · Hardiness with Dr Paul Taylor

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Nicole Belsma, welcome back to the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Paul.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a while since you were on.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason I got you on again is that
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  Speaker 3: we were recently at a conference at ACNM together. And
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  Speaker 3: it just reminded me that the stuff that you talk about,
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  Speaker 3: is probably becoming more and more important in today's world.
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  Speaker 3: So give our listeners a little bit of a background
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  Speaker 3: on you and what you do.
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  Speaker 2: So I started the building biology industry in Australia, and
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  Speaker 2: that happened for two reasons. Firstly, I noticed a really
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  Speaker 2: strong correlation between many of my patients with chronic fatigue syndrome,
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  Speaker 2: asthma and allergies, with issues in their house. So by
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  Speaker 2: the third consultation, they're going, you know, I've got mold.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think of that? I thought, well, as
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  Speaker 2: a naturopath and acupuncturist, we weren't taught about environmental triggers.
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  Speaker 2: So I just thought that was an interesting coincidence. And
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  Speaker 2: I started to ask a bit more about that. Like,
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  Speaker 2: if you've got asthma, is there doubtless? But it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: until we bought our first home and within two weeks
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  Speaker 2: of moving in, both developed sleep disturbances, insomnia, didn't even
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  Speaker 2: think anything of it. Then had my first miscarriage 12
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  Speaker 2: months later and then had 10 miscarriages in this house.
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  Speaker 2: And no one was able to actually identify why.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So we didn't qualify for IVF. I never had IVF.
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  Speaker 2: And we went to the miscarriage clinic and they were
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  Speaker 2: not able to determine. They excluded all obvious pathology and said,
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  Speaker 2: we don't know why. I just keep trying. And then
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  Speaker 2: when I spoke to my neighbor, she said, oh, no
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  Speaker 2: one successfully had kids in this house. 70 years old.
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  Speaker 2: And she. grew up. She was in her 60s and
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  Speaker 2: grew up in the house next to me and was
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  Speaker 2: now in her 60s. So she stayed in the whole
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  Speaker 2: house her whole life. So I thought, oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: And I literally ran around the house to go, what's
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  Speaker 2: going on with this house? Like it's a lovely home,
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  Speaker 2: half an acre on the river. And then I realized
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  Speaker 2: we're sleeping adjacent to the meter panel. So I bought
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  Speaker 2: a gauss meter to measure magnetic fields in the early
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  Speaker 2: hours of the morning, much to my husband at the
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  Speaker 2: time's frustration. And that was mine. I also got a
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  Speaker 2: dowser in and he said there's significant geopathic stress directly
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  Speaker 2: under your master bedroom. And then I started to measure
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  Speaker 2: the carbon monoxide levels because we were at a T-intersection
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  Speaker 2: and I noticed that the traffic-related air pollution would come
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  Speaker 2: up through the garage, up through our floorboards into our
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  Speaker 2: master bedroom, which was closest to the road. It would
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  Speaker 2: triple the carbon monoxide levels, still within the Safe Work
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  Speaker 2: Australia limit, and then take hours to dissipate before the
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  Speaker 2: afternoon traffic would kick in. And I thought, well, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: And then, of course, Parks Victoria came and regularly sprayed
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  Speaker 2: pesticides along our boundary because we were on the Yarra River.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. So it's a trifecta of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It was like the universe said, Cole, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: experience this lovely looking home where you can't see or
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  Speaker 2: smell anything wrong with it, but, you know, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to have health problems because you need to experience this
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  Speaker 2: to do whatever you're going to do down the track, right?
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  Speaker 2: Start the college, all that stuff. So I started to
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  Speaker 2: investigate what data was available on air quality and found
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  Speaker 2: a lot on the US EPA's website going, why aren't
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  Speaker 2: we training clinicians about air quality? Because it's such a
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  Speaker 2: big part of chronic disease, cardiovascular, respiratory, everything, the outcomes
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  Speaker 2: are shocking. And most people live in inner city regions,
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  Speaker 2: so they're exposed to these hazards that no doctor or
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  Speaker 2: naturopath are asking about. So I then, in 1999, started
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  Speaker 2: the Australian College of Environmental Studies and in 2005 became
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  Speaker 2: a registered training organisation and started the building biology industry.
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  Speaker 2: So I trained people to walk into homes to identify
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  Speaker 2: hazards in a built environment, electromagnetic fields, mould, chemicals in
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  Speaker 2: drinking water supply, chemicals in the air. allergens, all of
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  Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. And I've been stuck there ever since.
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  Speaker 2: And then did a perfect day on it.
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  Speaker 3: So, and interestingly, you know, you said that naturopaths are
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  Speaker 3: not trained in this stuff, but neither are doctors. And
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  Speaker 3: you train doctors in this stuff. Interesting, I was doing
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  Speaker 3: a talk on exercise. Doctors are not trained on exercise
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  Speaker 3: and the impact on that. But getting back to this,
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  Speaker 3: so do you find that there are more environmental hazards
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  Speaker 3: in old homes versus new homes? And what new things
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  Speaker 3: are the new homes bringing into being in terms of
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  Speaker 3: environmental hazards? And is it good to have this home
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  Speaker 3: where it's completely locked in, where there's no airflow through
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  Speaker 3: it and things like that, which a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: new homes are like, right?
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  Speaker 1: Seven-star ratings or whatever it's called.
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  Speaker 2: Put it this way, I wouldn't be living in a
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  Speaker 2: new home. I would rather live in an old home
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  Speaker 2: that I retrofit, that has good bones, hardwood, timber framing members,
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  Speaker 2: which don't exist nowadays because of supply issues. Yeah, I'd
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  Speaker 2: rather live in a leaky home than a tight build.
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  Speaker 2: So in answer to your question, both homes have challenges
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  Speaker 2: in terms of the hazards. In an old home, you've
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  Speaker 2: got more condensation if there's no insulation in the wall,
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  Speaker 2: assemblies or roof. So it can hit condensation, which means
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  Speaker 2: it's more likely to have mould in parts of the house. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it's more difficult to heat and cool, so that's
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  Speaker 2: why there's these condensation-related issues. Also, because most people don't
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  Speaker 2: have an understanding of how to maintain their home, or
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  Speaker 2: they do, but don't have the resources. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the average tiled roof probably needs to be replaced within 50,
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  Speaker 2: 60 years, and a lot of them aren't. Or at
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  Speaker 2: least they need to be resealed and recapped, which many aren't.
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  Speaker 2: So most of the ones I go to, they haven't
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  Speaker 2: been looked after for decades. And now they've got roof leaks,
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  Speaker 2: which is a big issue, which could impact the occupied space.
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  Speaker 2: Drainage problems. You know, living on a hill, in a hill,
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  Speaker 2: at the bottom of a hill is problematic if you
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  Speaker 2: don't get the drainage right. And a lot of the time,
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  Speaker 2: the drainage is not adequate to deflect water away from it.
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  Speaker 2: So then you have rising dam related problems. So old homes,
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  Speaker 2: it's more of a lack of maintenance more than anything else.
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  Speaker 2: that can result in these condensation issues. And also, as
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  Speaker 2: I said, lack of insulation. So you've got cold surfaces
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  Speaker 2: when water vapor hits that, it's an issue. Also, exhaust
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  Speaker 2: ventilation in the bathrooms and kitchen rain chute is often
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  Speaker 2: not to code nowadays. So it's not pulling out a
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  Speaker 2: lot of that steam to the atmosphere. Instead, it's pulling
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  Speaker 2: it into the roof where it condenses and there's other
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  Speaker 2: issues with that. So old ones, also carpets. Carpets are
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  Speaker 2: the archaeological dick site of the entire household. They contain
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  Speaker 2: all your pest frass. They contain your asbestos fibers, your
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  Speaker 2: lead paint sources, your particulate matter. Like, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you've got an open fireplace, they'll have polyaromatic hydrocarbons. They'll
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  Speaker 2: have all your chemicals are attached to the dust. So
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  Speaker 2: your solvents, your aftershaves, whatever you're spraying in the house.
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  Speaker 3: It all just settles and it weaves its way into
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  Speaker 3: the carpets and then slowly makes its way out.
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  Speaker 2: Well, every time you step on the carpet, you create
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  Speaker 2: a plume you can't see. So fungal particulate and mold, spores, hyphae,
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  Speaker 2: they will settle on all the surfaces within hours. So therefore,
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  Speaker 2: the most at-risk person in the house is the infant
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  Speaker 2: crawling on that floor where they're in the breathing zone
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  Speaker 2: and they have a high respiratory rate and they're eating
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  Speaker 2: it because they have a high hand-to-mouth ratio. So they
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  Speaker 2: are very high risk because they're closest to where all
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  Speaker 2: the action's happening, where all the hazards essentially are.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, so then new, so old homes I'm hearing is
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  Speaker 3: it's mostly mold is generally the main issue and then
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  Speaker 3: your kind of carpets and things like that and the
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  Speaker 3: general age of the property. New homes, what are the
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  Speaker 3: particular issues with new homes, particularly the ones that are
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  Speaker 3: those sort of seven star environmental ratings?
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything that we should be concerned about with them?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so with old homes, Condensation doesn't necessarily mean mold.
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  Speaker 2: It depends on how much dirt is there, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: So you'd have to look at that. The other issue
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  Speaker 2: with old homes, as with new homes, is electromagnetic fields,
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  Speaker 2: which we'll go into.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big topic, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: New homes, they're so tight that if you don't get
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  Speaker 2: the water vapor issues right, you'll end up with mold
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  Speaker 2: and condensation, often hidden, what we call interstitial condensation in
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  Speaker 2: the wall assemblies. So what can happen is it's so
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  Speaker 2: tight that if the ventilation in the bathroom, en suite,
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  Speaker 2: kitchen isn't pulling out that water vapor, it's such a
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  Speaker 2: tight home that the water vapor's got nowhere to go.
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  Speaker 2: And that can be an issue again for condensation for
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  Speaker 2: different reasons than what you see in an old home.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing is we import most of our furnishings.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the Australian manufacturing sector is pretty much non-existent
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  Speaker 2: in this country. So we import everything, you know, our rugs,
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  Speaker 2: our carpets, our soft furnishings, and they are not regulated
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  Speaker 2: like Australian manufacturing furniture makers would be or mattress. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you can't have– you have very low levels of formaldehyde
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  Speaker 2: in mattresses and sofas, but the imported goods are not checked.
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  Speaker 2: So you're getting higher levels of what we call volatile
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  Speaker 2: organic compounds, which is a gas at room temperature, including
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  Speaker 2: formaldehyde in imported goods. And in a new build, it's
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  Speaker 2: got nowhere to go. So as the room gets warmer,
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  Speaker 2: it outgasses and exposes the occupants to more of these
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  Speaker 2: chemicals than it would if it was in an old
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  Speaker 2: house that was ventilated. And the solution to pollution is dilution, right?
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  Speaker 2: So tight builds that have You can go all the
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  Speaker 2: way and have a nice passive house, which is one
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  Speaker 2: of the better designs in terms of homes, healthy homes.
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  Speaker 2: But the problem is if you introduce carpets and furnishings
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  Speaker 2: that are loaded with these chemicals and solvents and dyes
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  Speaker 2: and flame retardants is massive. I mean, now we've got
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  Speaker 2: a problem with cats because they've got thyroid problems because
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  Speaker 2: they're reacting to the flame retardants in the carpets, which
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  Speaker 2: didn't exist before they introduced these carpets. So let alone
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  Speaker 2: what's going on with the kids with these chemicals, right?
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  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: Is there a better material? Say somebody's about to buy
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  Speaker 3: new carpets or a new sofa. Is there a preferable
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  Speaker 3: material that they should be looking for or should they
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  Speaker 3: be prioritising Australian manufacturers or both?
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  Speaker 1: Both.
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  Speaker 2: So Australian manufacturer to get someone to create something that material.
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  Speaker 2: And then you'll have to ask where the textiles are
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  Speaker 2: coming from, right? Because a lot of the textiles probably
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  Speaker 2: would be coming from overseas. So Australian made, especially for mattresses,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely Australian made would be really, really important. And natural materials, wool, hemp, cotton,
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  Speaker 2: all of those things. Wool is naturally fire resistant, so
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  Speaker 2: you're less likely to have the flame retardants, which is
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  Speaker 2: probably one of the biggest sources of chemical exposures in
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  Speaker 2: new furnishings. So Alpaca is great too. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: your natural fibers as much as possible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, cool.
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  Speaker 3: So let's talk about EMFs because I think that's the
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  Speaker 3: big one now.
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  Speaker 1: Because I had a very quick chat with you at
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  Speaker 1: the conference.
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  Speaker 3: I actually have ordered a Gauss meter that hasn't just
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  Speaker 3: come yet because as I'd spoken at the conference.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting in my office. I have my Wi-Fi router connected.
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  Speaker 1: right behind me. It's probably 1.5 meters away, right?
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  Speaker 3: And I just realized that I was kind of on
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  Speaker 3: your website looking at stuff and you talked about inverters,
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  Speaker 3: solar inverters.
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  Speaker 1: So there's solar panels above me on the roof, right?
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  Speaker 1: And the inverter.
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  Speaker 3: is underneath in my garage. I could probably drill through
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  Speaker 3: the floor straight to my inverter. There's also a Tesla
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  Speaker 3: battery underneath. And I realized the electricity in our house
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  Speaker 3: comes in to just outside our bedroom, probably about two
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  Speaker 3: meters from my head on the other side of the wall.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell from your face that this is not
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  Speaker 1: a great picture.
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  Speaker 2: No. Computer says no. Not a good picture. So let's
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  Speaker 2: start with the highest concern I have. The router in
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  Speaker 2: your room is going to be massive in terms of
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  Speaker 2: radio frequencies. It'll be in the tens of thousands microwatts
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  Speaker 2: per square meter, well above the IGNER guidelines, the International
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  Speaker 2: Guideline for Non-Ionizing Radiation, created by 30 doctors that don't
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  Speaker 2: have a conflict of interest with industry. So we don't
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  Speaker 2: want to go above 100 microwatts. You'll be in the
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  Speaker 2: tens of thousands. So You'd have to have a pretty
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  Speaker 2: good constitution not to get headaches or start feeling tired
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  Speaker 2: or brain fog, which are the symptoms. Because the problem
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  Speaker 2: is if you're within the near field, with electromagnetic fields,
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  Speaker 2: we have a near field and a far field. Near
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  Speaker 2: field means you're within four wavelengths of the source. And
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  Speaker 2: that's when the electric and magnetic field are collapsing. And
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  Speaker 2: that's where a lot of the biological effects can happen
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  Speaker 2: much more quickly. So I find people can become more
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  Speaker 2: electrically sensitive quicker if they have a router or extender
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  Speaker 2: or booster in the room where they're spending hours, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Because it's triggering the body to, it has like a
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  Speaker 2: histamine response, it granulates mast cells, but what it does
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  Speaker 2: is it acts on voltage-gated calcium channels, especially in the brain,
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  Speaker 2: the heart and the testes, where it causes calcium influx
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  Speaker 2: and oxidative stress. It accelerates oxidative stress, which means you
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  Speaker 2: need a lot more antioxidants to to deal with that
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  Speaker 2: because the body's constantly being stressed with this trigger and
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  Speaker 2: you'll know when you have a meter in order to
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  Speaker 2: pick that up because it'll go really loud. So your
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  Speaker 2: body's picking up that energy all the time like alert, alert,
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  Speaker 2: there's an environmental stress on my body. So I would
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  Speaker 2: say that router has to get out of that room,
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  Speaker 2: stick it in the garage downstairs, power it down just
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  Speaker 2: enough to get it connection to the office that you're using,
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  Speaker 2: or even better, hardwire.
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  Speaker 1: Hardwire, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hardwire is the only way to go to really get
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  Speaker 2: those levels below the IGNO standards. Otherwise, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be out. And the big thing with EMFs is sleep.
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  Speaker 2: It affects the sleep because it tricks the body into
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  Speaker 2: thinking it's daytime instead of nighttime. But it also causes
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  Speaker 2: a lot of oxidative stress. It suppresses melatonin, the most
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  Speaker 2: important anti-cancer hormone you have. regulating sleep, reproduction, the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Melatonin's like it, right? That's why every kid and his
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  Speaker 2: dog's on melatonin now.
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  Speaker 3: So would a Wi-Fi router, so just say your house
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  Speaker 3: has got a couple of repeaters, Wi-Fi repeaters, which ours does,
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  Speaker 3: is that background, so mine's obviously in the office, would
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  Speaker 3: that Wi-Fi be enough just in the general house to
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  Speaker 3: disturb people's sleep, do you reckon?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the way to quantify that is to get
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: a meter, and the best meter for that is the
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  Speaker 2: Sound Pro 2 meter.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is, I ordered one of the safe and
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  Speaker 3: sound ones. I think it's due to arrive tomorrow, actually.
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  Speaker 3: I probably should have waited until we'd done this recording
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  Speaker 3: to see my readings and then see your face.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then we're going to have another meeting, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you what you need to do
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  Speaker 2: to register, because you're going to freak out when you
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  Speaker 2: get that meter, if you've got a router. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So the next one then is you talked about solar
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  Speaker 3: panels and the solar inverter.
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  Speaker 1: So I know the solar is on.
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  Speaker 3: The roof and I know that stuff that feeds the
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  Speaker 3: inverter comes down to the garage, kind of goes through
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  Speaker 3: that wall. Is the inverter in the garage below me
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  Speaker 3: with a Tesla battery beside it?
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  Speaker 1: Is that problematic, do you think? Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you several reasons why it's problematic. Firstly, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to have a magnetic field. Now, to measure the
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  Speaker 2: magnetic field is different to the radio frequency. So the
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  Speaker 2: radio frequencies we use with the Safe and Sound Pro
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  Speaker 2: 2 meter. But for a magnetic field, you can either
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  Speaker 2: use a compass or you can get a Gauss meter,
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  Speaker 2: G-A-U-S-S meter. Right. So generally, the EMF devices on the
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: market are pretty crap. You get what you pay for.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people don't even know what field they're testing.
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  Speaker 2: So for routers and Wi-Fi-enabled devices, including phones, you're using
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  Speaker 2: the Safe & Sound Pro 2. It measures radio frequencies.
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  Speaker 2: So anything that's Wi-Fi-enabled, you measure with the Safe & Sound.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to anything drawing current, like your inverter,
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  Speaker 2: like your meter panel, like fridges that are drawing power
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  Speaker 2: through the wiring of your house, you're measuring magnetic fields.
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  Speaker 2: That's due to movement of electrons. So... The inverter will
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  Speaker 2: emit high magnetic field. Do you want to keep two
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  Speaker 2: meters away from the inverter, which it sounds like you
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  Speaker 2: probably would be if it's in the garage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I reckon just.
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  Speaker 2: Challenge is you've got the cabling. So I'd put the
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: gas meter near the cabling to see how far that
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  Speaker 2: magnetic field comes out when the inverter is in use.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'll check. And the third thing is that
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  Speaker 2: inverters create very high levels of dirty electricity. And that's
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  Speaker 2: a different field altogether. So I've mentioned radio frequencies from
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  Speaker 2: Wi-Fi-enabled devices. I've mentioned AC magnetic fields from anything drawing
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  Speaker 2: current that comes from within your house. Inverters will be
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  Speaker 2: one of the biggest and meter panels. And the third
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  Speaker 2: one is dirty electricity, which are high-frequency spikes from 50 hertz,
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  Speaker 2: which is what our building wiring uses, up to in
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  Speaker 2: the gigahertz range for radio frequencies in fractions of a second.
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  Speaker 2: People who are electrically sensitive probably won't be able to
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  Speaker 2: live in a house where there's inverters or solar or anything. Really?
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  Speaker 2: Because it's so sensitive. Essentially, dirty electricity rides on the
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: electric field. So wherever you've got wiring or power points
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: in the house, you've got an electric field coming out
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: about 1.2 meters because we use 240 volts. So I
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: don't want to lose everyone here. But essentially, we're all
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: exposed to electric fields all the time. That's normal. We've
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: been exposed for 250 years. Generally, it's not a problem.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: So electric fields are generally not a problem, providing you
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: wear shoes or, you know, you bare feet at home
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: so you can earth it. Because if you wear rubber sole,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: it stays in your body and you increase your body voltage, right?
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: So you want to, you know, bare feet, natural materials.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: If you have synthetic carpets, right, going back to the carpets,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: creates a lot of static. There's no way to earth
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: it because it's just plastic crap, right? Most carpets are polypropylene.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: They're not great.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Full of flame retardants and stuff. So you've got nowhere
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: to earth it. So that's why you want natural fibers, cotton, hemp, wool,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: so that when you're on it, when you're exposed to
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: electric field, you're earthing it through these materials. That would
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: be better. But with dirty electricity, it comes out and
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: rides on the field. So what I'm finding over time
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: is more and more people becoming sensitive to electric fields,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: which never happened before. The more they have inverters and
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: solar panels and things like that in their house, EV batteries,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: because it's creating dirty electricity that's riding on the field.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: So these patients will say, I think I'm going mad.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I can only sleep in the middle of the room.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going, I understand why you sleep in the room
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: because you're away, 1.2 meters away from the electric field
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: and you're reacting to the dirty electricity on the field.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: So there's PowerPoints beside your bed. Do they leak out stuff?
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: A little bit of electric field. That would be very little.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I would not normally worry about PowerPoints.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: And wiring.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: But you're thinking for a good night's sleep, presumably you
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: do not want electrical appliances close to your head. And
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: how far away if people, say people had an alarm
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: clock or something, electric alarm clock, how far away from
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: your head should they be really?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Okay. So in terms of setting up the most important
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: room in the house is the bedroom because if you
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: don't sleep, your health is stuffed.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Health is the hallmark. Sleep is the hallmark of health.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. It's so ignored in clinical practice. Like, it's critical. Like,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: we are in a pandemic of sleep disorders in kids
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: and teenagers because they're using Wi-Fi-enabled devices that are suppressing
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: melatonin in sleep. and adults because we're addicted to our technology.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: So first thing in the bedroom, no Wi-Fi-enabled devices in
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the bedroom or adjacent rooms. Just get rid of it.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: No extenders, no boosters, no Wi-Fi-enabled printers. Turn everything off
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: at the wall, at the power point, not at the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: router itself because if you turn it off at the router,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: nowadays routers have multiple antennas so they kick in another
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: antenna that you won't even be able to measure without
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: a meter. So I would say turn it off at
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the wall if you have to have any Wi-Fi enabled
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: devices in the room. Even better, as a building biologist,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: we have a master switch in the master bedroom. So
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: we have an electrician who's wired the house in a
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: way that I can turn off the switch at my
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: bedroom and it shuts down the entire electrical supply, electric fields,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: magnetic fields, radio frequencies to my bedroom and my kid's bedroom.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: So we are literally sleeping in just the terrestrial radiation
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: of the Earth's magnetic field, et cetera, trying to create
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: what we evolved upon, you know, and we will walk
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: on the land, et cetera. Now it's completely disconnected from
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: the natural radiation, which is critical for human health because
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: we're antennas. Every cell of our body, our DNA is
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: like a fractal, right? We're antennas. But, of course, we've
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: been good-winted to thinking we're chemical factories to support a
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: pharmaceutical and agricultural industry. We're not. We're electrical. So we
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: have completely removed our connection to the natural radiation, which
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: is critical for mental health and sleep. And then we
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: introduced all this man-made electromagnetic fields that is causing massive
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: issues with sleep, mental health, et cetera.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: So presumably, I know the answer to this question, but
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: people should not have a mobile phone in their bedrooms
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: sitting right beside their heads on the bedside table.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Do I need to answer that?
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: No, you don't. You don't.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, when we're looking at all of these things,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: what would you say in terms of prioritization? And there's
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: more stuff that we're going to talk about, but clearly
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: being alive these days is dangerous, right?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And there's everything that can kill you and affect your health.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: So what would you say from a prioritization perspective, if
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: we just take the bedrooms, Give me the priorities here.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Is it turning off your Wi-Fi, just turn that off
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: every night?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Is it mobile phones out of the bedroom, Alexa, all
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: of this stuff? What's the priorities here?
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to basics. The most important room is
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: your bedroom because you spend 22 years of your life
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: sleeping there, right? And if you don't sleep well and
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: get a good night's sleep, it doesn't matter what you
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: do with your diet or lifestyle or anything, you're not
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: going to be well. So it's the most important room
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: from a building biology perspective. So what you're going to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: do is you're going to have a battery-operated or wired-up
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: clock to wake you up on the opposite side of
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: bed so you get your ass out of bed and
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: actually click the snooze button, right?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: That's what you're going to do. You're going to not
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: have your cell phone there. You're going to put your
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: cell phone in the kitchen or living space where it's charging,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: not in your bedroom. You're going to make sure that
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: there's no Wi-Fi enabled devices in your room or an
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: adjacent room. And hopefully your router, et cetera, will be
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: in an area like a spare bedroom if you've got
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: one or a garage that's powered down. Because when you
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: buy these routers, they're going at maximum capacity so your
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: neighbor can even pick it up, right? That's a problem. Yeah.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: You want to power it down. You don't need that
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: level of radiation to get that internet connectivity. Best case
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: scenario is to wire the whole house, definitely. But most people,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: if they're renting, won't have that option. So what you
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: would do is put a clock timer on the router
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: power point so it turns.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Off automatically and the little buggers called my teenagers at
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: night can't access their phones or their digital devices because
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: you've turned and shut down that capacity.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: So I would have a clock timer on the routers.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I'll get rid of extenders and boosters if you can
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: because they're just as bad as the average router in
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: terms of the level of radiation, which you're about to
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: find out when you get your safe and sound.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Indeed.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: So from an EMF perspective, I mean, what are the– oh,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I see.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Let me take a step back.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: So what about parents who have teenagers– who are out
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: at night, and this is where I get with the pushback,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: because I'm a big fan of phones out of the bedroom, right?
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And what about.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Parents who have teenagers who are out at night and
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: they say, I need to have my phone just in
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: case something happens to them?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's right. What night here? I mean, the
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: risk is low. If it's a night here and there,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: who cares, right? It's low. It's all about risk. So
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about having Wi-Fi enabled devices every day in
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: your room for years, right? That's going to affect sleep.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: You know, occasionally here and there, there are emergencies, of course.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: You want to do that. You want to know where
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: your kids are and they need to be able to
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: contact you. Totally get that. So it's about that risk.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, cool. Now, just revisiting the last thing that
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: we talked about.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, all homes have to have electricity coming
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: into them. So, as I said, mine comes in just
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: outside of our bedroom. If I'm thinking where it's placed,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: it's probably two metres away horizontally and a meter vertically
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: from my head at night.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: So is that an issue, that coming in? And short
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: of getting out.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: The– I don't even know who you would get out
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: to move it, right, and the expense involved in that,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: is there anything you can put on the inside wall
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: that would deflect it?
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Right. So what you're saying is you're looking at the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: wire coming from the distribution line, power line on the street,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: to the point of attachment on your house. The issue
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: as a building biologist, when we're doing a site inspection,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: we're looking at where that point of attachment is on
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the power line and where the cables are running to
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the meter panel. So if they're running, they normally run
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: on the roof, so on the ceiling. So wherever that
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: point of attachment is, you then have to think about
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: where's your meter panel because the wiring will be going
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: straight to that. So that's the wall that would be impacted.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: So I would say don't have your bedhead against that wall.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Just create distance. The solution to electromagnetic fields is called
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the inverse square law, and it is as you double
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: the distance away from the source, you reduce your exposure
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: by 75%. So to pay for someone to redo that,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: it's not worth it. The risk is low. If you
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: can get your bedhead to the opposite side of the
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: wall or where that part of the roof is to
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the opposite wall, get at least a metre or two away,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: and the magnetic field should drop off.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good advice.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: And is there anything that you can put on the
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: inside wall that would deflect it or absorb it?
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: No, magnetic fields.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: It's all about space.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: So shielding materials that you can buy, clothing, shielding paints,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: that only works for radio frequencies, which is the Wi-Fi
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: enabled devices and smart meters. So anything that emits things
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: without wires, so Wi-Fi, for example, your cell phone, your
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: cordless phones, your Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, all that stuff. So that
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: shielding materials will attenuate, reduce that exposure. But for what
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: you're talking about, the wiring in the magnetic field, you
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: don't have, the only thing that works for magnetic fields
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: is mu metal and it's very expensive. And it only
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: reduces it a little bit, which means it's completely useless.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: So there is nothing that shields for magnetic field. That's
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: why anyone who's got it, wherever your meter panel is
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: in smart meter, you cannot have your head against that.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: You've got to have the distance, i.e. another room preferably.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: But if not, put your bed head on the opposite
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: wall to the meter panel and at least you won't
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: be exposed to the magnetic field. Then stick shielding paint
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: there to reduce the radio frequency field. So you've blocked
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: two fields from that meter panel.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Right, there's my job for this afternoon.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: It's changing the bed to the other side of the room. Okay,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: let's now talk about chemical exposure. So there's... Jesus, I mean,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: we could probably do a whole podcast on this. What
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: do you think is the greatest risk for the average
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: person in terms of chemicals that go.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: on or in the body?
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: We recently, recently, it was a couple of years ago,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I was thinking water is probably the main thing. So
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: put a seven stage water filter in and it comes
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: out pretty slowly and it's a bit frustrating. But I think,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: you know what, that is going into my body, lots
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: of it every single day. What's your view on that
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: and what would the other major risks be?
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, this is a big question. So let's start with water.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: We take for granted our water is clean. Melbourne's meant
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: to have one of the cleanest water supply because of
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: the catchment areas and not near inner city regions, etc.,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: But that's all a furphy for those of us old
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: enough to know what a furphy is. A lie, right?
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: They've now found detectable levels of PFAS throughout Sydney's water supply.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: That's in the literature. So it's in all of the
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: water supply and it's probably in all of our water
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: supply in inner city regions across Australia. It's coming from
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: contamination from firefighting sites but also industry. So you just
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: assume that PFAS, which is, of course, nonstick chemicals, et cetera,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: are in our supply. It's a hormone disrupting chemicals. There's
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of data now on adverse health effects. So
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: a water filter is not a luxury. It is an
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: absolute necessity. In addition, you've got fluoride. Fluoride is not
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: in most people's water supply in the world. Only about
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: six countries continue to fluoridate their water supply. Most countries
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: have never because it's not ethical to mass medicate an
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: entire population with a pharmaceutical drug. Now, fluoride is a
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: pharmaceutical drug because it's used to treat a disease called
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: tooth decay. And therefore, that is why it was banned
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: from Europe. And most of Western Europe has never fluoridated
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: its water supply because how do you put a pharmaceutical
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: drug without people's permission into a water supply, right? It
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: also targets the pineal gland. It's been associated with a
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: drop in IQ from fees where it's put in. So
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: it has huge ramifications and it displaces calcium, increasing risk
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: for osteoporosis. So there's a lot on fluoride now, why
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: they continue to use it based on false information. fact
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that I don't even teach dentists about what the literature
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: is actually saying about that and the fact that most
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: countries have never fluoridated their water supply. It is a poison. Unfortunately,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: with fluoride, if it was just fluoride, it's one thing,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: but it comes from a contaminated source, which is from
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: the phosphate fertilizer industry where you've got arsenic, toxic metals,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: radioactive nucleotides attached to the fluoride as a byproduct from
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: aluminium smeltering. So that is also an issue and fertilizers,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: of course. So This is why a reverse osmosis filter
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: is one of the only filters, apart from an aluminium
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: mist filter or luminous, they say in the US, to
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: remove fluoride. It's a very small atom. It's one of
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: the hardest to get out of the water supply. So fluoride,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I've been drinking our own water for years and years. PFAS,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: big issue, hormone-destructing chemicals. Chlorine. Chlorine is meant to be
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: in the water supply to prevent waterborne diseases, which is terrific. However,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: it needs to be active by the time it comes
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: out of your tap. Now, if you drink chlorinated water,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: it is the strongest antibacterial you have, chemical. So you
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: don't want to be destroying your gut microbiome. Drinking chlorinated
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: water is a dumb idea when we know that our
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: gut is the most critical for health, as a marker
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: for health, our gut microbiome. So, you know, you don't
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: want to be drinking chlorine and then taking a $ 50 probiotic,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: killing it on the way down. That wouldn't make sense. Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Everyone needs a water filter. At the least, you'd need
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: a pre-sediment and solid block carbon filter to get rid
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: of pesticides, which is a big issue also in the
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: water supply because of runoff from farms. drift, as well
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: as removing PFAS. That does need to be approved for PFAS.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Not all solid block carbon filters do it. But water
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: filter is not a luxury. It is absolutely critical. If
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: you're going to go to the degree of really looking
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: after yourself, eating organic food and not have a water filter,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: it sort of defeats the purpose.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: And is there a water filter that you recommend? You
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: did mention reverse osmosis. I know People look and they'll
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: see like three-stage, seven-stage, all of this. Clear it up
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: for people. What's the big ticket that they're looking for
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: or do you have a particular recommendation?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Well, reverse osmosis is normally a five- or six-stage system.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: It involves at least pre-sediment to get rid of all
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the sediment itself to prolong the life of the carbon filter.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: It'll have at least two or three carbon filters in there.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: And it will have an ultrafilter membrane, which is the
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: one that's removing the really small atoms in angstrom levels,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: such as fluoride. So it's normally five or six stage.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: A lot with the six, it's often because people are
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: adding bamboo to remineralize the water because reverse osmosis does
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: remove most of the particulates and contaminants in the supply.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: And they want to remineralize that. It's up to them
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: to do that. So alkaline water, that's controversial. I don't
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: really think there's enough that makes sense to me about
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: using alkaline water because the stomach, when you're eating, has
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: a pH that drops down to three and we need
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: acid in the stomach to digest proteins and enable intrinsic
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: factor to support B12 absorption. So to drink lots of
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: alkaline water, which would be buffered in the stomach, doesn't
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: equal alkaline blood. So there's a lot of misinformation about that.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I don't drink alkaline water. I don't think you should
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: be drinking alkaline water, to be honest, for that reason.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: But if you want to alkalize your blood because it's
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: such a narrow parameter, you would go vegetarian. That would
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: do that. Not that I'm advocating that for everyone either
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: because every different genetic constitution says suits a different profile
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: in terms of their diet.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: And just so you give us a, what's the problem
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: with alkaline water? You reckon it's B12 absorption?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Well, because it's affecting, the stomach acid needs to be,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: the stomach, so when you're drinking, it hits the stomach.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: You don't want to be buffering the stomach acid because
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: it has a very important role to play in protein digestion.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: This is why a lot of vegans end up with
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: problems eating meat because they're not secreting enough acid. to digest,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: and therefore they're not getting enough acid to kill off
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the bacteria and germs coming into the food. That's a
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: big problem. So that happens over time. So to me,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: don't drink alcohol. Alkaline water does not equal alkaline blood.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: It's being buffered in the stomach. The stomach must be acidic.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: And what happens as you age is your stomach acid drops,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: so your ability to digest food gets compromised. So, you know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I think we need to go back to the basics
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: of pH and this misinformation that we see on alkaline water.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I do not, I would not recommend that.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: There you go. Okay. Let's talk about other things.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, what springs to mind for me is that
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the skin is the biggest organ in the body and
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: anything that you put on your skin is going to
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: make its way into the body. So What are the
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: big issues in terms of stuff that we expose our
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: skin to?
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: So this is another reason why a whole house water
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: filter is really good. So my kids have eczema and
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: when they go to their in-laws or their grandparents' place
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: in Horsham, they can't have a shower. If they have
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: a shower, they'll break out in eczema for the rest
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: of the duration that they're in Horsham. Right. Because the
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: chlorine content seems to be so much higher in rural areas,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: such as the Wimmera. So they have to delay having
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: a shower. Chlorine is one of the strongest antibacterial and
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: skin irritants you can be exposed to. And you absorb
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: that through your skin. So you really need to think
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: about what's in that water supply, especially for chlorine. That's
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: why I end up upgrading. I have an RO system,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: but I also put in a three-stage whole house water
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: filter system with canisters that are about this big. It
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: cost me about $ 500 to replace the canisters per year,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: but it filters all the drinking water in the house,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: the showers. the cooking water, et cetera, because with reverse osmosis,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: as you said, it has a tank, it takes ages
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: to fill up. So I just have a whole house
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: water filter system. And the difference, you know, going from
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: eczema to, oh my God, my hair, the way the
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: shampoo works, my skin is, I don't have to use
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: moisturizers because now I've got rid of the chlorine, which
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: is causing a lot of the problems and my kids
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: don't have eczema, just that one thing alone.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: So you can do a whole house water filter system
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: that does everything that comes in, but it's not the
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: reverse osmosis and things like that.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Yes. So it gets the three-stage system is pre-sediment and
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: two solid block carbon filters, one specifically for PFAS, gets
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: rid of all the sediment, gets rid of a lot
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: of toxic metals, gets rid of all the organic materials
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: like petrochemicals, industry waste and PFAS. And chlorine, of course,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: gets rid of chlorine. So it's really– but that was
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: $ 2, 000 plus $ 1, 000 to fit it. So $ 3, 000, but to me,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: that's high priority. If people are coming into looking at
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: their health, that is not negotiable. Like eating organic food
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: to reduce pesticide load is not negotiable. Having a water filter,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: not negotiable. Lifestyle changes, We go to such an effort
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: with our diet now and lifestyle, but we are constantly
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: putting poison in our system. So to me, water filter
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: is absolutely critical.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: And do you, sorry, just to confirm, if somebody wanted
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: to drink really clean water, Would the ideal be a
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: whole house water filter system and then on the drinking
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: tap they need something else as well?
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Look, a whole house water filter will get rid of
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: most of it. If you're wanting to get rid of fluoride,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: that's the issue. Fluoride is, as I said, such a
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: small element. that it's difficult to get rid of without
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: a ultra filter membrane, which the RO systems have. So
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: best case scenario, I would say, yes, a whole house
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: water filter and an RO at the kitchen sink for
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: drinking water only.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool. Available.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Now let's talk about some of the other stuff that
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: we expose our skin to. So, you know, there's things like, moisturizer, deodorant, sunscreen,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: all of those sorts. Actually, interestingly, my wife thinks I'm bonkers,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: but the only moisturizer that I ever use is extra
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: virgin olive oil. And I slap it all over my
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: baldy head. And that's the only moisturizer I've ever used.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: But anyway, let's talk about moisturizer. Let's talk about skin,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: any type of skincare products, makeup. sunscreen, like out of
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: all of that, what tends to be the most toxic
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: and what can people do?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Again, the big ticket items that people should be focusing on.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I'm still back at the olive oil on your body.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Can I comment about that?
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Jojoba oil is one of the best because it's the
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: one that mimics the natural skin oil. So if you're
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: going to put some oil on your body, jojoba, as
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: it's written, is one of the best. I would stick
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: with that. That would be a good one to put
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: on your body. It's sort of closest to the natural
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: skin oils that you're going to get. Also, there's a
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: lot of seed oils, as in camellia nut oil and
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: rosehip oil is fantastic at our age. You know, when
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: we're in the post-menopausal stage of our life, rosehip oil
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: is brilliant. So rosehip oil and jojoba are probably the
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: best oils to put on your skin. So I'd recommend
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: you do that. And go back to basics with skincare.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: So I talked at the conference. get that shit off
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: your face which i've been meaning to write as a
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: book but you know my 16 year old sliders everything
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: on and i don't recommend that but you know what
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: can you do um so in terms of what the
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: biomonitoring studies are saying is that women of reproductive age
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: have much higher levels of hormone disrupting chemicals like parabens
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: because parabens are used as preservatives in moisturizers and cosmetics
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: and other things like that so they're in their body
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: um So I would just say, you know, where do
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: you start with this? There's so many different chemicals. You've
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: got detergents, which sodium lauryl sulfate, it strips the oil.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: So now you have to use moisturiser because you've just
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: stripped the oil. Different things for different stages of life.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Like I've got teenagers, their needs for their skin are
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: very different to my needs, you know, in my 50s. However,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I would just say less is best. So try and
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: reduce your load by thinking about using natural oils, which
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: we've just talked about. Sunscreen is an interesting one. Clearly,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: we need to do something because the UV index is
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: so high in Australia and skin cancer is a horrible disease,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: especially melanoma and a horrible death. So But the reality
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: is most sunscreens are unreliable. And there's been a lot
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: of controversy about sunscreens, the SPF rating are actually false
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: because they haven't been third-party tested. So what they're saying
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: on the label and the reality of what they do
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: is very different. But they also introduced benzophenone is a
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: common hormone disrupting chemical in sunscreens, which they find very
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: high in people who are educated about sunscreens. So People
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: who want to prevent skin cancers are using sunscreens, but
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: their load of benzophenone is much higher because they're using it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I don't use those sunscreens at all. The most effective
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: sunscreen is actually covering up, so not going up in
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: the sun during high UV index, right? That would be
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: the most common logical thing to do. Morning sun, afternoon sun, critical.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: We're in a vitamin D deficiency. Vitamin D is so
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: deficient in most of the population. We need more sun.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: We've got to get out of the built environment because
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: all our jobs are inside now, not outside like they
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: were in terms of our evolution. That's a problem. However,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: when the UV index is high, which you can check
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: on the BOM website, Bureau of Meteorology, it's a good
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: time not to go. If you do wear a hat,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: wear sunglasses, cover up, that's far more effective than sunscreen
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: is ever going to be. If you have to use sunscreen,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the zinc-based sunscreen, which is that really heavy, slimy stuff
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: that takes 10 showers to get off, that's effective. That's
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: far more effective than most of the other stuff on
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: the market. So I don't use most sunscreens on the
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: market because of the chemicals in there. I prefer to use,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: if I have to go out in a high UV index,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: if I'm at the Gold Coast in the middle of
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: the day, I'll wear a hat, sunglasses, blah, blah, blah.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: but then go walking for hours early in the morning
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: watching the sunrise, right? So it's about the logic of that.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I remember seeing that research around the sunscreens and them
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: not being anywhere near as effective as they said.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: They were, the SPF. It was a huge controversy.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: The other thing about, I actually, I don't know if
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: you've seen any of this. I remember reading a paper,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: and I didn't do it in detail, but it was
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: basically saying that morning light exposure activates chemicals in your
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: skin that then protect you more if you go out
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: into the harsher sun a little bit later on. So
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: it was basically saying the worst thing you can possibly
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: do is just go out in the midday sun to
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: try and get your 20 minutes. That if you're going
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: to go out later, being out for a little bit
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: in the morning actually activates some stuff in the skin
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: that then is protective later on. And it kind of
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: makes sense from an evolutionary perspective. You seen anything on
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: that at all?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: No, I couldn't comment on that.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Right. I need to try and dig that up. Okay.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: So what are some of the other things that we
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: are exposing ourselves to from a chemical perspective? And again,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: the big ticket items, you know, from cleaning products in
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: the house and things like that. Like we tend to
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: use vinegar for cleaning windows and stuff like that. Are
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: you a fan of that? Again, what's the big ticket
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: things that we should be worry of?
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: First, the stuff you put on your body is the
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: greatest risk because it's getting into the body. So let's
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: talk about biggest risk. Perfume is the big one. Aftershave
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: perfume smells. Perfumes can often contain phthalates, which are hormone-disrupting chemicals.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: that target reproductive organs, they need to be removed. So
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: artificial fragrances should be removed. That's my big ticket item
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: for chemicals on your body. No air fresheners. They're the
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: ones associated with the cats with the thyroid problems. Go
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: fragrance-free with aftershave until it defeats the purpose. Or use
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: essential oil-based. Essential oils act differently to the artificial fragrances
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: that often contain phthalates. So that's my big one for
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: chemicals is definitely, especially if you're pregnant, you shouldn't be
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: having any perfume at all because it's getting into the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: skin and in where you can target the fetus. So
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: definitely no perfume or smelly stuff.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: But just on that, Nicole, if somebody does like a scent,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: is it better that they spray it on their clothing
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: rather than on their face or their neck?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Is that preferable? Well, it is, but in the skin things,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: you're still breathing it in, right? In fact, you can
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: smell it constantly. You're breathing it in, and often it's
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: difficult to get that out of the clothes.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: So it's not just the fact that it's on your
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: skin and going in. You're saying that if you can
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: smell it, you are actually breathing in some of these chemicals.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: You are. This is why it was banned from... Canada
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: to wear perfume in the workplace because it can cause headaches.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Why does it cause headaches? Because when you breathe something in,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: it's straight into the central nervous system in the brain.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Those olfactory receptors are the first danger response. Targeting, you know,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: they're connected straight to the brain where, you know, you
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: can absorb through the systemic circulation. That's why people get headaches, chemically,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: because they're getting headaches. So breathing in is a major
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: route of exposure for these chemicals.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. So perfumes, we've talked about. We've talked about sunscreen.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: What other sorts of things do we need to think about?
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, cleaning products. Okay, this is how you clean your house.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: There's one thing that you need that does the best job,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: and that's detergent. So a good dishwashing liquid detergent is
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: a surfactant. So it helps to remove the biofilm and
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: also removes dirt, which often microbes and mold are feeding on.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: a squirt of dishwashing liquid in a bucket of warm
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: water with a microfiber cloth. So get appropriate microfiber cloths
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: for the surfaces, right? So I have three. I have
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: two for the windows, one that's wet that I can,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: without streaking. So that's my, you know, my microfiber cloths
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: for my windows, stainless steel and my glasses. This is brilliant.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: And the other one is a different microfiber cloth technology
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: used for pretty much every surface. So I have one
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: color microfiber cloth for my bathrooms, one for my kitchen,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: and then I have two for my windows. The microfiber
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: cloth will do the work. You just put them in
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: a bucket of warm water with a bit of detergent,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: rinse them out well, wipe the surfaces, all the way
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: through with a clean tea towel. That's how you clean
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: the house. That is the most effective way to clean
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: any surface. And then second thing is a good vacuum cleaner.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: So a vacuum cleaner that's well-sealed, fitted with a HEPA filter,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: which is a high-efficiency particulate air filter. So that will
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: suck up the dirt in the carpet where all the
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: magic is happening, and the wiping on the surfaces with
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: a damp microfiber cloth, that's it. That's what I'll do. Vinegar,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I would use in the rinse aid of the dishwasher,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: because instead of the conventional rinse aid, which is loaded
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: with chemicals and lines all your cutlery and your plates
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: with this chemical, that's bad. White vinegar in the rinse
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: aid is brilliant because it doesn't leave the residue and
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: it's edible. So that's great.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that those little packets that you put
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: in are just toxic shit storms.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: They're not great. The challenge you have with the dishwasher
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: is you need agents to prevent it clogging up. and
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: you need to actually be able to clean it, right?
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: So you often have, you know, it's got quite a
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: high pH, and it needs to do what's called descaling agent. Otherwise,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: the dishwasher will break down. So it is a catch-22. Hopefully,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: on the hot stitching, it'll help evaporate a lot of
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: those chemicals because the tablet itself, you need something to
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: be able to clean it, right? I'm talking about the
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: rinse aid section you use, what, Mega? That's the one
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: that leaves a lot of the shitty residue, right? which
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: you can get rid of just by using white vinegar
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: in the rinse. The other one you probably have to
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: use preferably a fragrance-free powder or some form of tablet. Otherwise,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: it may not do the cleaning and it has to
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: have descaling agents in it. Otherwise, the dishwasher is not
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: going to last long.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Right. Okay, cool. And let's now talk about detoxifying, right?
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: So we– even if you're doing lots of good things,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: we're obviously going to absorb a whole heap of shit
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: into our bodies, whether it's through our food or water,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: our environment, all of this stuff. So detoxifying, I think
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of stuff out there. My view on
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: this is the best way to detoxify is sweat and
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: that we can actually support detoxification pathways, phase one and
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: phase two with a bit of nutritional supplementation.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: What's your view? Am I on the money here? Am
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I wide of the mark?
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: No, no, you're absolutely. And we're not talking like hot
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: flushes menopause sweat. We're talking about exercising juice sweat or
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: sauna sweat. Yeah. Yeah. Very important. So yes, sweating is
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: one of the most effective ways to detox, but detox
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: chemicals that can be converted into a water-soluble form. So
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: the function of the liver is to convert chemicals from
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: a lipophilic, fat-loving state into a water-soluble, hydrophilic state, and
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: then you can excrete it through the urine and the sweat.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Not all chemicals will do that. So the sweating won't
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: get rid of persistent organic pollutants, which are lipophilic and
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: can't be converted. So your PFAS, for example. So the
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: way to get rid of some of these really persistent
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: chemicals that won't come out with sweat is to give blood.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: So plasma donation is one of the most effective ways
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: to remove these chemicals, preferably every six weeks was what
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: this study was saying in the firefighter study. And also
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: the use of binders. So binders in springtime when the
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: liver is at its strongest, according to the Chinese medicine,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: using occasional binders such as charcoal or polystyramine, which of
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: course needs to be prescribed with doctor, or food grade
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: citrus pectin is also very good. But remember binders, if
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: people are chemically or electrically sensitive, they're going to get
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: sick if their elimination organs aren't working. You can't take
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: binders until you have at least one or two bowel
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: motions a day because the binders are binding to the bile.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: It's a bile acid sequestrant. And a lot of what's
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: been dumped in the bile, your toxic metals, your mold,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: is in the bile itself. So the binders are attaching
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: to the bile where all of those things are and
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: then taking it out through the poos, right? So you
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: have to stop that process. Because bile is so precious
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: to the body, 90% of it's reabsorbed through the enteropathic circulation.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: This is why a lot of patients with mold illness
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: continue to be sick after or while being in a
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: healthy environment because they're still recycling the mold and the
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: chemicals in their body. So binders become really important, but
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: you've got to take them away from food because they'll
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: take out minerals out of your body otherwise. So they're
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: not long-term. You've got to be under supervision with a
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: good naturopath or integrative doctor to do that, but they
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: are effective.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: And I believe that you can actually support your detoxification
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: with things like onions, garlic, leek, broccoli, and that whole
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: family will actually provide the enzymes that help with those
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: detox pathways.
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  Speaker 2: The challenge is most people with really serious illness like
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: environmental sensitivities have histamine problems, huge histamine problems. So they
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: can't have garlic and onions and they're full of it.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So they can't actually take that. But if you're healthy, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Like I eat garlic and onions pretty much almost every
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: day and mushrooms, not magic ones, but I will be
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: getting that at some point.
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  Speaker 3: I am aware of time, but we do need to
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: talk about one other thing that you just mentioned there
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  Speaker 3: that sparked my interest, which is mold.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to do this on a different podcast. Don't
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: start me on mold. Mold is massive, Paul.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, is it? Right. Okay. Maybe we keep mold for
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: another podcast. Let's just talk about allergens, right?
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Because I think I've heard you say that a lot
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: of people have allergies that they're not aware of.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: So give us the skinny on allergens.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So look, Australia has the second highest rate of
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: allergies in the world after New Zealand. and there's several
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: reasons why this may be the case. However, when I'm
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: doing assessments of buildings and people mainly ask us to
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: do testing of water-damaged buildings or suspect there is mold
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: in the house, if there's furry pets there, I always ask,
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  Speaker 2: have you ever been tested for allergies to your cat
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  Speaker 2: or dog? Because it's a lot more prevalent than what
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: people think. And about 10% of the time when I'm
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: doing testing of moldy buildings, the levels are low and
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: they're actually reacting to the animal. So I think it's
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: grossly underdiagnosed. However, you know, I mean, I can't imagine
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: giving it to my dog. I have a box and
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: he's crazy and I'd rather, you know, not get rid
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: of the kids before my dog because he's such a
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: nice person. So, you know, you can desensitize yourself to
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: the animals, but this is something a lot of people
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: don't think about. They get animals, which is great because
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: it's so good for your mental health, but they could
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: be allergic to them. So if they're getting symptoms all
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: year round, Yeah, it could be moldy building, but it
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: could also be pet allergies. So you do want to
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: get tested to see if you're allergic to dust mite,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: which is the number one cause of allergies in the world,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: affects 21% of the world's population, or if you're allergic
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: to pets. Mold, it's not really reliable to check for
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: allergies to mold because people can react to mold that's
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: not an allergic reaction, right? It could be infection, colonization,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: it could be inflammation. But yeah, I think pet allergy
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: is quite underdiagnosed and people are often quite surprised when
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: they get tested that they could actually be allergic to
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: their animal.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Interesting you said that Australia is the second highest rate
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: of allergens in the world. I think Melbourne is one
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: of the highest. And I think there's a pretty strong
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: link to Melbourne being the caesarean section capital of the world.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Like in private hospitals, it's 50%. of births or cesarean
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: section which um we now know the data it's very
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: very clear that babies born with cesarean section have way
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: higher rates of of allergies any comment on that yeah.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Absolutely so being exposed to the vaginal flora in the
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: birth canal is really important to prime the child's immune
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: response and of course breastfeeding is also very important um
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: and that research definitely exists. The other reasons in terms
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: of allergy is the use of chemicals in the home
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: to get rid of bacteria because they found the populations
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: that have the lowest rate of allergies in the world
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: are the Amish community in the US that don't use electricity,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: don't use chemicals. They have large families they have livestock
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: and they found that the bacteria and the endotoxins which
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: bacteria create in their household dust was much higher so
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: the more diverse the bacteria is in the carpet the
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: lower the risk for allergies the more pets available the
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: lower the risk for allergies so if a pregnant woman
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: has a furry pet that will reduce her child's risk
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: of being allergic to the animal Ironically. But once you're allergic,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: you can't have the animal.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. It's interesting, Cats are 22, isn't it?
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: And I know that kids who are brought up on
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: farms have much lower allergens than cities.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: We need to let our kids go out and play
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: in the frigging dirt, don't we? Let them eat dirt.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Absolutely right. Get them outside, into the dirt, exposed to
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: diverse bacteria. And so... over-cleaning, using bleach, using strong chemicals
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: in the home actually accelerates, especially in the first few years,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: the risk for allergies. That's the worst thing. And therefore,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: increased risk for autoimmune diseases later on in life because
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: the immune system isn't responding normally.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have seen some people, and I've had
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: to bite my tongue, of mothers.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Constantly using the.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Bacterial little things on their hands for their kids and
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: stuff like that.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: Jesus, what are you doing to their bodies, constantly putting
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: those chemicals into it?
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no sanitizers at home. A healthy home doesn't have sanitizers,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't have bleach, doesn't have these strong chemicals. Obviously, good hygiene,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: washing your hands after going to the toilet, washing your
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: hands before dinner, food. That's the logical stuff, but there
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: are not pathogens in the home. Other things, if someone's
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: got cold or flu, what I would say is with
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: microfiber cloths, clean all the high-touch surfaces like your door
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: handles to stop cross-contamination. But you should not be using
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: strong chemicals in the house because you actually will cause
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: adverse health effects.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: The COVID has been massively eye-opening, just like the last one.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: And I love it because it's practicality stuff or practical
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: stuff and it's the big ticket items. Now, where can
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: people go to find more about you to also book
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: your services as well?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Sure. So I've just started a YouTube platform, Dr. Nicole B.,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: and have some interesting and controversial posts there, I've got
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: to say, so I do that once a week. I
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: also have a website, buildingbiology.com.au, just about to, so it's present,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: but I'm about to upgrade it all in the next
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks. And also the college where people can
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: look at training in mold or building biology is aces.com.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Excellent.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: And I recommend the website because there's a whole wealth
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: of information on the website as well that people can access.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Nicole, this has been frigging awesome. Have you done a book?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: And if not, why not?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So Healthy Home, Healthy Family. It's currently out of print,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: but the e-book is available. I am updating the fourth edition,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: which will be available February next year. But yeah, lots
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: of information there, 15,000 copies sold. Very good practical guide.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: You can see that there here, Healthy Home, Healthy Family.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: As an e-book, it's available.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Good stuff. Thanks, Dr. B. This has been great.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Paul. Hey!