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Top 10 CrossFit Games Athletes of All-Time · The Spin Podcast

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  Welcome to the spin man. It's already July halfway
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  through the year, so. I didn't.
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  I never think of it that way, but you're right.
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  Do you know we are closer to 20202050 than 2000?
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  That is true. That is true.
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  Did you also know that we've done this is #117?
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  What a weird number to remark. Yeah, yeah, I know.
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  It's been just found this out he wants to share with the world.
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  That's right. What had you looking into that?
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  Boys interrupted. We're like, we're on episode
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  2425. I was like, dude, we've gone
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  shit, we've gone way longer than that, so let's just see where
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  we're at and. We should pick an arbitrary
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  number to celebrate. 134. No, it'd be 234.
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  It's got to be out there a little bit.
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  Yeah, I. Don't know.
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  How about like 177? That's good numbers.
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  Any that's like October 7th. Where we go like, but like,
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  let's make a thing of it. Like come celebrate our 177th
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  episode. And you know what I mean?
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  And like I'm saying, like. Right around this time next
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  year, we make. We make posts about it, be like,
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  guys, it's, I mean, it's going to be so much fun though.
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  The 177, man, you know what I mean?
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  Like 177 like like we can like make like little things about
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  it. And then and when people ask
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  what is that for? Yeah, it'll be there.
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  There'll be no reason. It's it's, it'd be like it's 177
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  that was out, man. I don't know what to tell you.
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  I mean, it's the same number as 200, no different, right?
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  So anyway, if you guys were wondering why we were late, it
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  was not John's fault. It was also not Tyler's fault.
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  It was me trying to get ready. So I did have before we get into
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  the viewer comments, couple things.
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  First, you'll see the viewer of the week.
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  Lee Frazier had a had a pretty, pretty big week last week.
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  She was just dropping 999 all over us.
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  So I felt like Lee needed to be recognized this week.
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  So. She had to sell her phone so she
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  can't watch this weekend to recover from all the money she
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  gave us last week. Feel free to keep it up, Lee.
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  No, I'm not. I, I think, I think you should
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  take pride in like being the 8th reigning week of viewer of the
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  week. They, you know what I'm saying?
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  We get to, we get to show 177 and celebrate Lee's 52nd week of
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  the, of being top viewer of the week.
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  Yeah. I mean, you never know, you get
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  somebody else drops money, you know, might dethrone Lee, but
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  pool boy, does that make you guys feel like strippers.
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  No. No, I felt like that before.
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  It just doesn't feel like that. Yeah, I would agree.
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  And then secondly, I just found out that my oldest son who just
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  started doing going to a CrossFit affiliate a few weeks
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  ago maybe no, actually last week was his first time going.
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  He threw up today on the way home so.
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  Was that was a bike? Involved.
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  What'd he do? It was.
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  It was the. Old Echo bike, Tyler. 16 minute
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  amber or 16 minute imam of 20 calorie echo bike 200 foot D
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  ball bear hug carry 20 calorie echo bike and 15 GHD sit ups.
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  Oh yeah. Nothing.
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  Nothing makes people throw up quiet like that bike does.
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  It's kind of wild, the tolerance that you have to build.
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  The D ball carry too like you there's it's just all
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  compression. You're never letting off and
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  then you get on the bike it it's bad and then the GHD you're like
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  the whole time. So like when I, when I train
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  people like usually like I get high school kids who want me to
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  like train them and stuff. And then the very first workout
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  we ever do is every two minutes for five sets, 20 Cal bike.
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  But that bike has to be done in a minute.
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  It has to be done under the minute.
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  And they don't know what it is. They don't know how long it's
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  they don't know you could just hold 70 and that's going to be
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  it. But and they just take off and
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  without fail, I'm like 9 for 9 in kids throwing up in this
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  workout. And then, and then if they want
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  to come back, then I know they're ready to work hard.
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  They don't want. And then I'm there's been about,
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  I would say it's about like a 33% stick around rate.
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  But those 33%, they're going to be great.
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  Those 66% they, they, they don't have it, they don't have it
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  mentally. And that's OK.
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  It's it's good to know that about yourself.
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  That's probably a pretty good ratio though.
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  What do you what do you mean? Like 33%, if you're hanging on
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  to that many, I would assume like you, you lose 66% on
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  average anyway and you're just weeding them out the first day.
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  Yeah, I mean, I don't want that 66%.
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  If you if you can't take it, then you don't need to be here.
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  There's an Orangetheory down the road.
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  We're here to be great. You walk them outside.
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  Hey, buddy. I'm the Oh no, there is.
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  Go hold your heart. There is no.
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  Buddy, there is no buddy. I'm like, hey, if you want to
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  come back, we'll be great. If you don't want to come back,
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  you're never going to be great. Ever.
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  Lee Frazier, leader in the Clubhouse 999.
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  Thank. Love you, guys.
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  Thank you for the support. Lee.
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  Thank you. Lee.
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  Thank. You Lee is.
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  Well, on our way to becoming the viewer of the week for.
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  Two times running, two times running.
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  And I mean, hey, and no judgement.
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  Listen, if you don't want to be great, there is no judgement
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  over here. That's right.
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  But if it's not, the apocalypse happens.
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  My people are going to murder your people and it's not going
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  to be hard. That's fair.
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  That is fair. Let's move on.
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  Viewer comments. I need to take off our names.
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  Why? That's because Tyler was a
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  dumbass last week. It switched back, I didn't
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  change it. No, I changed it to show
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  everybody off and I just never took it back.
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  Viewer comments, your reminder to subscribe.
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  You can like if you want, drop a comment down for next week's
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  inclusion. But please subscribe, we're
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  very, very close to 10,000. We've been talking about it for
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  about 107 shows and we're. Still not there.
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  It happens. All right.
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  First one, Kate Kammeyer. Where is Moritz?
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  Did I miss him on the mountain? No, he's he's not there.
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  Well, you did he just 'cause he's not there.
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  Yeah. He wasn't.
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  He wasn't climbing that day, I tell you what.
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  I've heard at least. At least he was not in the DEI
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  class. Yeah, no, he's too good to be in
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  the DEI class. You know, he's he's there.
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  He's going to be at the games, but you know, he's probably
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  going to get 30. There's only 30 people I keep.
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  I keep wanting to go like 3030 fifth.
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  He's probably going to get 27th and event one and there's not
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  going to be the only event that tests endurance out.
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  There was no endurance tested in wildland at all, so no.
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  There are moments where Moritz, I'm like, there's something
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  there, but then he'll follow it right up with some backslide
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  that I'm like, yeah, never mind you.
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  Mean like semifinals every year. When when aerobic capacity is
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  your worst thing, is your weakest thing in all of the
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  things of fitness. I don't like respect you as like
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  a contender, as as like, like you don't belong on the mountain
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  type guy. You, you just you.
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  You've earned your spot to be there.
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  You can be there all day. You're games.
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  You're one of the fittest men in the world.
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  I'll never say you're not. But if aerobic capacity is your
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  one of your weakest things, same for the women.
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  That's why I always give Onika crap.
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  I you're never going to be like, I'm not going to, I'm not going
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  to look at you in the same way to the people that are greater
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  aerobic capacity. I don't think this is true.
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  Keeping it real, I could almost beat Moritz in a mile.
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  Well, he's talking about the game Smile 'cause I think his
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  mile time was like 640. Dude runs a 640 mile.
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  But you know, also I, I, I, I think this, I think if you know
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  you're going to be last place. He wasn't like, if you know
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  you're going to be last, why would you sell your soul?
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  He. He and Grease Shaver were
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  fighting for the back so. That 640 is probably more like
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  615 all out. Yeah, I would agree with that.
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  He had the same self for the star shaped sandbag.
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  Now I know who CrossFit is, it just it just it just made sense
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  to me. OK, that's cool.
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  I. I know you now.
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  Said something wrong you. Slipped up buddy, we.
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  Would never see CrossFit again. Brielle Brozier.
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  I can't believe hobby horse riding wasn't one of the niche
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  sports and blind rankings. I'd love to listen to you all
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  commentating hobby horse riding there's.
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  No chance in hell. I mean, you're going to get a
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  lot of hot takes. I think if we commentated horse
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  riding, we would not be asked to commentate horse riding anymore
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  or horse hobby riding or zombie riding.
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  I, I, they're, they're not ready for whatever we would say.
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  Like, you know, honestly, I wouldn't even want to
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  commentate. That's something for Sevon.
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  And then I would just enjoy the show.
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  Yeah, if you want to visit Nashville, go to CrossFit West
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  Nashville. You might see missus spin there.
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  So there you go. Let's see Mariah Adams.
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  I never understood the mountain. I will probably never fully
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  understand the mountain, but I can respect that this mountain
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  is not biased. Look, he's he's trying to make
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  us think this is Jr. It's not it's not Jr.
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  We we know who it is. You just doubled down and by.
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  And by the way, by the. Way, by the way, like shame on
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  you. You're so mean to me and like
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  that's, that's, you know, I, I really wish you weren't
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  somebody. You weren't this person, because
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  I now now I'm like, now I just, I'm not going to come on your
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  show anymore. That's what's been happening to
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  that. That's that's that's.
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  I don't even know who you're talking about.
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  You'll fill me in later. I'm not sure.
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  Let's see. Line Line dancing, Maz.
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  Does Tia beat all of the men in event one?
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  No the row. The row takes too much.
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  I was like men versus women. The row will take will be too
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  much of a gap. I think if the row was like, I
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  think that the row was scaled to the two women, then no, I don't
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  think anybody beats her. Does Tia win make it to the
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  rower first. No, I just don't think she she's
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  not going to run as fast as Jeff and Ricky.
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  Because she doesn't have to. Or, but she can't.
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  No, I don't think she can. Can we make that a prop bed and
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  heat one? How do I write that if we give
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  Tia like Tia plus 2 minutes? Just say who?
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  What? Here, here's the thing.
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  Here's the thing. Jeff held a 555 for three miles.
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  We know this because he did it last year before he got to the
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  lake, right? He held a 555.
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  Tia's mile time was 530. Now I know she's faster, but
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  she's not sub 5 minute speed, right Ricky, Sub 5 minute speed.
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  You throw any swimming at all, Tia's winning because she's that
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  much better of a swimmer and them straight up she's not that
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  far off on running, right? She's like 20 seconds off on
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  running, but she didn't get that much faster on running versus
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  those guys. I at least I don't think so.
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  So I don't think she'll be, I don't think she'll be the first
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  to the rower. I do think only like 4 or five
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  guys will be ahead of her. There it is.
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  How many men beat Tia to the rower?
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  Literally the best, the best it is, yeah.
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  Yeah, that's a beautiful product.
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  I'm. Amazing.
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  You didn't even say it. No, I'm talking about I know it,
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  who it is. It's all lining up now.
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  I know. Now.
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  Now it's like, how do you not know this is not?
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  This person, I'm so. I'm so disappointed there's.
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  A couple prophets there. There's two minutes.
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  Tia plus 2 minutes beats the field still yes or no?
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  Or there's the rower. How many men get to the rower
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  before Tia over under? 555 Get to the.
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  Rower before. Tia I.
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  Think all the good men runners beat her Like the elite, the
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  elite, the elite, the elite good run run.
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  So you have Jeff and Ricky, but then there's like 3 guys after
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  that. Yeah, there's like you're
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  excited about this. There's like 3 guys after the
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  after Jeff and Ricky. Like you're Roman, you're
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  Hopper, you're Hatfield, you're James.
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  Like that's 4 right there. I think those guys beat her to
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  the rower as well. But I I think she's in that
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  group. She's she's running with them.
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  Does that make sense? I, I think she's going to go out
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  there and just show how fast she is because she could be, she
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  could blow up the 2K on the 3K row and walk the last two miles
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  and still win. So might as well for sure.
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  Oh, just try to yeah, yeah, no, that would be great.
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  I and then in that case, the answer would be two.
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  I don't think this should be AI think it should be like 0 to 2/2
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  to 4/4 to 7/7 plus like I think that's.
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  Oh, like a four pick chance. Yes, I think that's what it
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  should be because that would work.
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  I like that one There are there are a couple pop bets in the
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  heat one app already. If you have downloaded these,
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  these are pretty good. There's there's one in
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  particular I'm very excited about talking about later all.
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  Right, so thanks line dancing Maz for that prop.
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  Bet Corey Treharne Apollo Creed died in an exhibition might be
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  one of the best explanations for why it matters.
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  Go back and watch last week if you didn't.
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  And and Andrew Farmer this week in Murfreesboro, The Burrow Bar
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  and Grill is closing its doors after 40 years as the owner.
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  Lee Roberts, 76, is retiring. Congratulations to Lee.
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  I can make it to Murfreesboro. Win, huh?
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  I don't know, it just says it is closing after 40 years.
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  I don't know the date, maybe it's already staying here.
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  For your Murfreesboro news. That's right, big fans of
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  Murfreesboro, Tyler Tyler's hate.
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  I I don't know what this is. Yeah, I don't know what it is
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  either. All I know is that Tyler was
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  like, I want to rage, I am mad, I hate stuff.
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  And I said go for it king, it's all yours.
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  I'm not going to deny you. I didn't like that at all.
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  Spend. I love it.
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  Keep saying that. You.
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  Short king, you. It's I would I would qualify as
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  a short king. Oh, I thought you said for the
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  King for. The games I also would qualify
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  for the games a lot of this. So we're always thinking about
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  content, but what what's coming next, what we going to do?
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  And a couple weeks ago I started thinking about games program
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  most. Of the time we figure this out
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  like. Last second, Yeah.
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  I've really been baking about this for about two years.
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  That's how long it takes something to bubble up for me
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  shaking. And bacon.
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  The the title of this segment was supposed to be Tyler Hates
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  the Games. Oh, it's been messed up.
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  That's OK, Tyler's hate is fine. So it felt a little weird
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  because I, I didn't want to go off of what you Chase, Bill and
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  Jr. did today 'cause it was very like on point of what sort of
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  what I wanted to cover. That was a good show.
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  What did? We do.
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  It was a great no, It was a great.
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  It was good. It was just like 4.
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  Things you want to see and what 4 things?
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  You want to see? Yeah, that was a great, great
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  show. And it's funny because you guys
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  basically, without knowing it, hit a lot of the points that I
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  wanted to hit. So where this all started?
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  This really got kicking last week.
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  Yeah, pretty sure we got bacon. Well, it started to boil over.
• 17:43
  I saw this reel on Instagram and Hillary and I've been talking a
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  lot about content, content styles, different things to do.
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  And this guy, I guess he's a YouTube pops up and he's like, I
• 17:55
  don't want to make content anymore where I'm just sitting
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  here like this. I want to go out and I want to,
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  I want to make stuff like Myth Busters where you go out and you
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  investigate people, learn stuff. It gets people interested in
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  going out and doing things. It's interesting and it
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  motivates you. It inspires you to do more then
• 18:14
  Craig. Ritchie, circa 2017.
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  Is that is that what he did? He just kind of did a blog.
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  Vlogged and traveled all over and met with everybody.
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  That's just. That's not.
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  That's not what I was talking about, yeah.
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  Is that my like? Dude, perfect trick shots.
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  Yeah, but but like they. Trick shots off an airplane
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  What's? The fish guy What's the monster
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  fish hunter? I think that's his name, Kale.
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  Damon Monster. No, that guy, the guy who used
• 18:44
  to go out and catch, catch big fish, like he would go out to
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  like the the Amazon and do this. Thing, dude, perfect.
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  No, 'cause it's like watching that guy.
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  I was like, oh, I want to go out to the Amazon and catch fish.
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  OK, go do it then. River monsters, Jeremy Wade.
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  River monsters. Yeah, or even.
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  Bear Grylls. Like I want to go out in the
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  middle of the woods and see if I can live with just a fishing
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  pole. That'd be cool.
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  Anyway, so your. Endeavour, Tyler.
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  The way this all starts, and I know you guys know this so, but
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  I want to fill in the fans. Are you guys familiar with Eric
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  Weinstein's theory of geometric unity and how that breaks down
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  string theory and how that ruined physics?
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  Are you familiar with this? Right, Yes, of course, for
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  people who aren't familiar with this.
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  Yes, no Eric Weinstein String theory theory.
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  Squared string theory squared. So Eric I I'm always looking for
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  stuff like this. Eric's hypothesis is that brown
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  about. The time we started doing,
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  creating the atom bomb, we got obsessed with string theory and
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  we just started pouring all these scientists and all this
• 20:08
  money into string theory and it has produced nothing.
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  In the past 50 years. There have been known no
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  advances, advancements or technological advancements from
• 20:18
  string theory. Yeah, yeah, a little bit, but.
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  I thought his whole thing was like dark energy and like
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  everything's in A4 dimensional space and.
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  No, that's Terrence Howard. All right.
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  I think it's Terrence Weinstein, but no, no.
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  No, no, OK, Geometric Unity is about going back to geometry.
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  That's where we were making a lot of our success and saying,
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  hey, we were killing it right here, let's get back to that and
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  stop funding this stupid shit that's not doing anybody any
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  good. Of course, he's gotten a lot of
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  pushback. So this is what I think happened
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  to the games, because along with string theory, he thinks that
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  string theory was pushed so that we don't further understand
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  physics better. We use it.
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  It's a red herring. We start chasing it instead of
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  investigating other physics that matter more.
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  There's all these things where if you focus on the thing for
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  too long, you're just building that thing and you lose the
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  entire picture of what's going on.
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  So back to the inspirational piece.
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  I've been aggravated with where the games have been going
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  because none of the event, not none of the events, but a lot of
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  the events do not inspire me. And if they do not inspire me,
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  they're not inspiring people at home.
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  They don't want to go out. They don't want to try these
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  things. If you see the capital or the
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  crit, there's something innate that you look at that and you're
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  like, yeah, I can do that. I might not be able to do it
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  fast, but I can try it. But when you see it's 21159 of
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  some CrossFit that you know, thrusters, pistols and some
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  other bullshit, you're like, that doesn't mean anything to
• 22:03
  anyone except for Crossfitters. It should be like a third of the
• 22:07
  games. Is that?
• 22:08
  Three events. No more than three events should
• 22:11
  be CrossFit events. So yeah, I.
• 22:14
  Would say it's a third of the games, Slightly slightly 4.
• 22:18
  This is where I. Think.
• 22:22
  No, I'm with you 100%. I'm gonna let you keep going.
• 22:25
  But I'm with you. I I'm, I think I'm with you.
• 22:28
  I think your strength theory is kind of like a little bit weird,
• 22:31
  but I'm. I think I'm with you.
• 22:33
  I think I'm. Geometric unity Anyway, so I
• 22:36
  think this is affecting everything and we've not
• 22:39
  realized it because we've been, We like CrossFit and we like
• 22:42
  CrossFit events because we're Crossfitters.
• 22:44
  But that doesn't mean anything to people who are watching the
• 22:46
  TV. And so you want, you want the
• 22:50
  Games to draw people in and the people like me who've been doing
• 22:55
  this for 13 plus years, you get a little tired of doing training
• 22:59
  pieces for training piece sake, right?
• 23:01
  If I'm doing some workout with, you know, deadlifts and whatever
• 23:04
  else and then I go to the games, that sucks.
• 23:06
  I've done this at home. I'm not doing this huge,
• 23:09
  grandiose, different thing where it's like, OK, we got to rock,
• 23:13
  you know, we got a bike 40 miles across, two hours or three hours
• 23:17
  or whatever. That's that's huge.
• 23:18
  That's different. It's cool and it means something
• 23:21
  to people who aren't cross fitters.
• 23:23
  So I think when people see that on TV, there are events that are
• 23:28
  regular CrossFit events. They're less motivated to watch
• 23:30
  the games. They don't want to watch
• 23:31
  semifinals, semi final type athletes don't want to do that
• 23:35
  because they don't want to just go to semifinals and then do
• 23:38
  another CrossFit event. And it's the same thing as the
• 23:41
  Open, as the OR as scaling the workouts for the Open division.
• 23:45
  We want to do shit that scares us and challenges us.
• 23:48
  We've done this in every part of CrossFit and no one's called it
• 23:51
  out yet. I was like, we've stopped
• 23:53
  inspiring people. We've stopped making them want
• 23:56
  to get out of the house, get scared, try new things.
• 23:59
  And so if I see more than three events that are CrossFit so I'm
• 24:03
  I'm done with the games. I'm just so tired of seeing that
• 24:06
  same old shit. Dave has killed this in the
• 24:09
  past. About 2015 through 2018 ish.
• 24:16
  The game would say mostly 20. 20 just because I mean the ranch
• 24:21
  stuff he did, I thought they were pretty innovative too.
• 24:23
  Yeah, there were events there that were killer.
• 24:26
  Go ahead, Spin. I mean I.
• 24:27
  Still remember watching the dinners before the games every
• 24:32
  year where he would announce and bring out a paddle board or
• 24:36
  bring out some element. I can't remember what, what it
• 24:39
  was in 2011. He brought out something to the
• 24:43
  to there and like that stuff was cool.
• 24:47
  There was always there's. Going to.
• 24:49
  Be something different that we have not done yet.
• 24:53
  When I was sort of building this case, I was looking through all
• 24:56
  the games programming and it used to be there were four or
• 24:59
  five big events that were like grandiose, huge, even like the
• 25:04
  berm run or Oh Naughty Nancy, like when they ran up over the
• 25:09
  berm. Like even though that's cross
• 25:11
  fiddy, it's, it's simplified to a point where it looks cool.
• 25:15
  It means something to the viewer.
• 25:17
  They're they're seeing them do squats.
• 25:18
  They don't know what overhead squats are, but it makes more
• 25:21
  sense, isn't it? And I.
• 25:22
  That the games are. You do think you see things, you
• 25:25
  watch things, the games that are relatable but you can't do,
• 25:30
  yeah. Yeah, like you shouldn't, you
• 25:33
  should not. And I would say I can't I I'm
• 25:36
  not as stringent as Tyler. I would say 60% to a third
• 25:39
  because you still need CrossFit workouts, but they're always on
• 25:42
  Sunday, like typically they would always be on Sunday,
• 25:45
  right? But everything else is just wild
• 25:50
  off the wall. Let's the fittest is tested by
• 25:53
  like a crazy different amount of tests that all tests something
• 25:57
  different or even like when they use that like that really the
• 26:01
  really low weights, I think it was just deadlifts, deadlifts,
• 26:05
  running and muscle UPS with Josh Bridges, Dan Bailey and Rich
• 26:09
  running were all in a race, but the weights were so low.
• 26:12
  It made it like a deficit because they were like metal
• 26:15
  tins that they were using. Like something like that just
• 26:19
  changes the stimulus to a way where people aren't they're not
• 26:24
  prepared for that. So then it's just who's the
• 26:27
  fittest. Like, like it it.
• 26:29
  It brings out adaptation. There has to be.
• 26:33
  When looking at events, you need to be able to say push.
• 26:35
  Back to push back, play devil's advocate.
• 26:40
  That wasn't at the CrossFit Games.
• 26:42
  But I mean, like the idea behind the Gator push is it is
• 26:49
  relatively like people can make sense of that one.
• 26:51
  Even though it went terribly, it was administered poorly.
• 26:55
  It it does make sense to people, they.
• 26:56
  Weren't mad at the test. No, No one was mad at the test.
• 26:59
  They were mad at about what happened or the.
• 27:01
  Execution. Yeah, the execution of it.
• 27:04
  And so this is like my theory of everything with CrossFit and how
• 27:09
  you get people talk. Because if you think back to
• 27:11
  those years where the Games were really popping off, we had a lot
• 27:14
  of success. There were like 4 to five of
• 27:17
  those huge golden events that were like really cool to watch.
• 27:21
  They made sense to people and more people want to do them
• 27:23
  because they were inspired. How do you?
• 27:27
  How do you go back to that though?
• 27:30
  So that's. Just it's programming, dude.
• 27:32
  It's not. I don't think it'd be.
• 27:34
  Yes, I think it's. Spins.
• 27:36
  Spins hitting on something that and that's why I want to talk
• 27:38
  about this now is because what are they going to do when
• 27:41
  they're inside? And that's that's the problem
• 27:46
  right now, is that as we push for professionalization, we're
• 27:50
  just going inside, we're doing inside stuff and we're doing all
• 27:52
  CrossFit stuff. We're making the CrossFit Games
• 27:54
  about Crossfitters. And it's not about that.
• 27:56
  It's about testing the fittest on earth.
• 27:58
  And CrossFit isn't fitness. It's a training methodology to
• 28:02
  make you the fittest on earth, but isn't fitness itself.
• 28:06
  I mean, I I brought it up on get with the programming like today
• 28:10
  on the comments. We will never see another strong
• 28:13
  man's fear as long as it's inside.
• 28:21
  Going to be hard to do the the slug or not.
• 28:23
  What's the role the? Snail.
• 28:25
  Snail, I get my animals mixed up, so you.
• 28:28
  Can do it, but it's it's. It doesn't hit the same.
• 28:31
  It's. Different, yeah.
• 28:32
  It doesn't hit the same. There's something about outdoor
• 28:35
  events that really hit hard. They are like, there's some like
• 28:39
  grit to it that you don't have indoors.
• 28:41
  It's a bigger space. You can have more to do.
• 28:44
  Like when you talk about Moritz and like, well, he's going to do
• 28:47
  poorly on the 1st event and I'm sure there's going to be another
• 28:50
  long event that's like that. Are we sure?
• 28:55
  Yeah. But in a in a way that Moritz
• 28:59
  can't do Well, Yeah. How Moritz wouldn't.
• 29:06
  Do well in something like Mary. He wouldn't do well whether it's
• 29:11
  whether it's a short Mary or A or the full.
• 29:14
  Time like a 20 minute AMRAP. I'm saying of Mary like they did
• 29:17
  that in 20 minutes. But if it was a 10 minute, if it
• 29:18
  was a 10 minute Amrap, he's still of Mary.
• 29:20
  He's still oh, he's. Doing so much better than he is
• 29:22
  a 20 minute AMRAP. I'm telling you that right now.
• 29:24
  Or like something like the triple G chipper that's short.
• 29:27
  Mortz ain't doing good in that either.
• 29:28
  Like it's, it's just like if it's capacity, long capacity,
• 29:34
  he's not doing good. And you can do that with a whole
• 29:36
  bunch of stuff. Here's the thing that you might
• 29:39
  not like, John. I don't think we should program
• 29:41
  Mary at the games. I don't think we should program
• 29:44
  DT at the games. I'm I'm in.
• 29:47
  I I thought you might. I'm in.
• 29:49
  Complete agreement. I hated Mary when they did that.
• 29:52
  I thought it was so dumb. I think, I think DT at the games
• 29:57
  is stupid. I don't get it.
• 29:59
  It means nothing to anybody except for us.
• 30:02
  I might disagree with you on DT. I think, I think this is the one
• 30:07
  I like. I like hero workouts over girl
• 30:10
  workouts in the games because there's a little bit of meaning
• 30:14
  to it. Usually the workouts a lot
• 30:15
  longer. It's just to test you a little
• 30:19
  bit more. The girl workouts.
• 30:20
  It's just everybody's so good at the girl workouts.
• 30:23
  They're not hard anymore because the athletes so much better,
• 30:27
  right? So then you have to put heavy on
• 30:28
  the end of it and I think that's dumb, right?
• 30:31
  Or you you, you know what I'm saying?
• 30:33
  Like you. Just.
• 30:35
  Or nasty or naughty or. Whatever.
• 30:37
  You you got if you got to put an adjective on the workout, then
• 30:40
  maybe we should just make a different workout, right.
• 30:43
  Even though Nasty Nancy is one of the greatest workouts all
• 30:47
  around fitness in my opinion, but it's it's but still, if you
• 30:53
  have to put an adjective in front of it, maybe we should
• 30:55
  just do a different workout. But most hero workouts, they're
• 30:58
  they're longer, hard enough. I mean, you're testing
• 31:00
  endurance, but it's hard enough. Why?
• 31:06
  Like when I see that, that's the stuff that I see that that
• 31:09
  people are like these stupid cross fitters.
• 31:15
  I mean, I think DT first. It helps that it was outside in
• 31:20
  the tennis stadium. Again, I think outside makes
• 31:26
  that cool. I think doing a barbell cycling
• 31:30
  is something that others are not doing right.
• 31:34
  And so it, it does have that visual appeal on TV to watch it
• 31:37
  and be like, that's pretty cool. Like they're just throwing the
• 31:41
  weight around and and it it creates some pretty good races
• 31:45
  in Carson. Don't get me wrong, I think that
• 31:48
  there are ways to program barbell cycling like there was.
• 31:53
  What was it? The muscle up Clean and Jerk
• 31:55
  event 20/17/17 Cool There's four individual.
• 32:00
  Muscle UPS into a clean ladder. But that like, in my opinion,
• 32:03
  that's CrossFit. It is.
• 32:06
  It is. It straddles that line for me
• 32:08
  where I'm like, OK, you could make a case, but that it's still
• 32:11
  not great. Did I hate Chad last year?
• 32:16
  Yes, I think Chad is boring. I think.
• 32:18
  Everybody hated Chad last year. Chad single handedly ruined the
• 32:21
  entire games because you had the program around it.
• 32:24
  But here's one that's go ahead. That's true.
• 32:27
  And I think it was because they didn't progress up the field.
• 32:30
  It was just watching people. It was a lot like Mary from a
• 32:33
  visual standpoint of we just saw people stepping on boxes, right
• 32:39
  versus we had talked about do they roll their box forward?
• 32:42
  Do they do things where they progress and you can see the
• 32:45
  race happen happening that would have created some type of
• 32:49
  anticipation like how close are they?
• 32:51
  We watch for it. Instead we watch for 40 minutes
• 32:54
  and waiting for them to go. They got a hand in the air, got
• 32:57
  5 reps left. Oh, Austin got a no Rep Sorry.
• 33:00
  Like that Was it Like that was we, you know, Ricky goes down.
• 33:05
  Other than that, like he was literally just watching 80
• 33:09
  athletes or whatever number it was at that point just go back
• 33:12
  and forth over and over again. You didn't.
• 33:14
  Know where anyone was? We didn't.
• 33:15
  Know where anything it was John. Was texting people who were like
• 33:18
  on the floor to give us information about where people
• 33:20
  were. Yeah, how about how about this
• 33:24
  one though? Tyler JRW isn't the game for
• 33:27
  Crossfitters. It's not.
• 33:31
  It is for the fittest on Earth. It is our.
• 33:34
  This is the thing about making your your our.
• 33:36
  Whole thing is like Saquon Barkley would show up and get
• 33:39
  ran, but it's not it's not because it's a CrossFit test.
• 33:44
  It's all around fitness. Well, I think he's.
• 33:47
  Saying shouldn't the CrossFit Games be for the viewers of
• 33:51
  those who do CrossFit? It's not.
• 33:53
  I think marketing, yeah, absolutely.
• 33:58
  The. Biggest growth is when it was on
• 33:59
  ESPN in 2014 when Rich Froning and his big barrel chest was out
• 34:04
  there and winning it for America.
• 34:05
  That was the. Biggest.
• 34:07
  That was the biggest growth CrossFit had ever seen.
• 34:12
  But wouldn't you say just globally CrossFit, we are in the
• 34:19
  position where we're in because they're trying to expand outside
• 34:22
  of CrossFit and make it for everybody?
• 34:26
  No by. Watering it down.
• 34:28
  Yeah, I disagree with that completely.
• 34:33
  They've. Hey, what about this workout?
• 34:36
  What about this? I get where you hold on, John.
• 34:38
  I get where you're saying spin, but.
• 34:41
  My whole point on. This is that we made the claim
• 34:44
  that we're testing for the fittest on earth.
• 34:47
  You can't reference your own tests, AKA CrossFit tests, in a
• 34:51
  statement where you're saying we're fitter than everybody
• 34:54
  else. That doesn't make sense.
• 34:58
  No, I think, I think where you're losing me is your
• 35:03
  assumption is that Crossfitters want to watch people do
• 35:07
  CrossFit. They don't.
• 35:10
  I'm saying they. That's what I'm saying is that
• 35:12
  you can still make it for CrossFit, but not be all
• 35:18
  CrossFit, right? Like I would argue right now,
• 35:22
  and I've been saying it for the last year, is nobody wants to
• 35:25
  watch people do burpees and thrusters.
• 35:28
  People wanna find the person who's gonna be crowned the
• 35:30
  fittest on Earth, the fittest man and fittest woman on earth.
• 35:33
  It's like. They wanna.
• 35:35
  And what it's turned to is, yeah, people wanna find who that
• 35:39
  is. And if you watch it outside of
• 35:41
  just the games, you're watching our show, you're watching Sivan,
• 35:45
  you're watching get with the programming because you're
• 35:48
  interested in the storylines that are go with that.
• 35:52
  Nobody cares about how fast your cycle rate was on burpees and
• 35:57
  thrusters. We do, but we're weird.
• 36:00
  No that Crossfitters care about that.
• 36:03
  Even Even so, I don't think so, because not.
• 36:06
  Most, not most the 2000 people that are in our space, no.
• 36:09
  No, no, I I'm saying the three events that are CrossFit like
• 36:13
  that the Crossfitters get those events like they're still in it
• 36:17
  for those events because of the characters and what happened.
• 36:20
  They're, they're, yeah, they're not watching it because of the
• 36:21
  actual things that are happening.
• 36:23
  They're watching it for what that end result is, because if
• 36:27
  they did, there'd be a lot more people watching Rogue, Water,
• 36:32
  Palooza, any other all of that, because you'd be so pumped to
• 36:37
  watch that stuff because you're like, oh man, I can't wait to
• 36:40
  watch them do thrusters and burpees in this unique Rep
• 36:43
  scheme. Nobody cares.
• 36:47
  But that's what Tyler's saying. Yeah.
• 36:49
  No, he's building my case for me.
• 36:50
  OK, Yeah. Yeah, but I'm saying that
• 36:52
  Crossfitters, but it's not for trying to put it out there for
• 36:57
  the other 8 billion people in the world.
• 36:59
  It's make it more exciting for those Crossfitters who are here
• 37:04
  and then be be a show enough that if anybody sees it, they
• 37:09
  get excited about it. Well, and that, that's the thing
• 37:11
  that I came to. I've been redefining my training
• 37:15
  over the past like year. And I've really, yeah, I'm going
• 37:18
  to do high rocks now. I you're.
• 37:22
  Thrusters and Chester Bar hopefully.
• 37:24
  Right. Just like, wait, wait, wait.
• 37:27
  That's what that's what your training should be right now it.
• 37:29
  Is, but I've been thinking about I and over the past month, I've
• 37:33
  really been giving myself a hard time about it because I've been
• 37:35
  stagnant for a year. And I, I thought back about what
• 37:40
  made me want to do CrossFit and it was watching them do these,
• 37:43
  these big powerful events at the games that I was like, man, I
• 37:47
  can do that. I'd need to train to do it well,
• 37:49
  but I, I could do that. And so like to me, I'm not, if
• 37:54
  I'm not inspired by the workout that's happening, I'm not do I'm
• 37:58
  not training for that anymore. Now I'm not like if you look at
• 38:03
  you could you could pull out John, give me like an
• 38:06
  inspirational workout from the games.
• 38:10
  The capital is pretty inspirational.
• 38:11
  Capital perfect. I can do derivations of what the
• 38:14
  Capital is. I can do, you know, tire flips
• 38:17
  and run and then sandbag carries.
• 38:19
  I can do something. But I know that it references
• 38:22
  back to me testing something like the Capital, right?
• 38:27
  I'm not saying like I'm not going to do CrossFit anymore,
• 38:29
  but what I'm saying is I'm not going to do gym shit just for
• 38:33
  gym shit's sake anymore because that's what's boring me to
• 38:36
  death. And I think that's what's boring
• 38:37
  everyone to death. It's 'cause there's no promised
• 38:41
  land. You get to the games and you're
• 38:42
  just doing a gym shit again. And Jeff Adler won't win the
• 38:48
  games if they go back to doing that.
• 38:50
  Just saying do. You think?
• 38:54
  Honestly, Austin might not either.
• 38:56
  Maybe Ricky. Ricky would flourish far more in
• 38:59
  a games like that. Do you think like beat Beijing,
• 39:05
  right? What Hillary just put out, it's
• 39:09
  straight up to CrossFit movements.
• 39:11
  It's rowing and burpees. But I feel like it has more to
• 39:18
  it. It does, right?
• 39:20
  Like if you put it in your class, if you're an affiliate
• 39:22
  owner and you put it in program that in the next sometime this
• 39:25
  month and people were aware of what it meant and what it was
• 39:29
  and if they were interested in doing it.
• 39:31
  Like throw 5 bucks in there, you might win a autographed agent
• 39:35
  jersey. Like there's something behind it
• 39:38
  and it's not if, if Hiller said hey, go do this, he'd.
• 39:43
  Be like. Nobody would do it.
• 39:46
  Nobody would care. Be like, oh, that's interesting.
• 39:48
  But the fact that he put some a story behind it, something
• 39:51
  that's different translates. I feel like that's what that
• 39:58
  that is. I think that's what you're
• 40:00
  trying to say is that it has to have something something behind
• 40:03
  it. Yeah, well, like, so Murph,
• 40:06
  Murph is like pretty boring event and it's like kind of
• 40:11
  crossfitty. It's pretty crossfitty.
• 40:14
  And I think normally I would argue against that workout, but
• 40:18
  here's the thing. There are there, there's a
• 40:21
  million people across the United States that are doing that
• 40:24
  workout all the time. It means more to be good at at
• 40:27
  Murph. I like training for Murph
• 40:29
  because it does mean more. And just like with Hitler's
• 40:31
  thing, I, if you program that workout for me to do at the gym,
• 40:35
  I'd be like, fuck, I don't want to do this.
• 40:38
  But then all of a sudden Beijing does it.
• 40:39
  I'm like, all right, like I'll do it.
• 40:44
  You know what I'm saying? So there has to be more, more of
• 40:47
  an inspirational feel to any workout.
• 40:48
  And what's crazy is Hitler did that with a workout that sucks.
• 40:54
  It just, it's terrible. I'm thinking.
• 40:56
  Not from a. Programming perspective from a
• 40:58
  feeling perspective. I'm picking up what y'all are
• 41:01
  putting down. All right guys, we're going to
• 41:03
  have the beat JY and if you can do 100 bar facing burpees under
• 41:07
  459, I will send you an autographed JY barbell shirt.
• 41:11
  Do. You have any left?
• 41:13
  Yeah, yeah. We are out of large, extra large
• 41:17
  black though, Yeah and large black crop female.
• 41:22
  So we're actually out of like a few few of them.
• 41:25
  So it. Only took a year.
• 41:27
  Yeah, Denis O'Leary, maybe CrossFit also peaked and was
• 41:32
  only going to get so big due to its niche.
• 41:38
  You know that I don't. I don't think that's unfair, but
• 41:41
  I would like to hang out around 2014 peak niche than where we're
• 41:48
  at right now. Mason startup?
• 41:51
  Doesn't it mean more? I guess maybe Murph because of
• 41:54
  CrossFit. I would say yes, yeah.
• 42:01
  I mean, I think we we push everybody into wanting to do
• 42:04
  that more than we do now. Slow Study runner The
• 42:08
  programming of the Games has become uninspiring.
• 42:10
  Do you think the Games needs a reset?
• 42:14
  As a basically, it doesn't need a new programmer is what they're
• 42:18
  asking. I thought about this 'cause when
• 42:22
  I was like, I thought about writing an article, I thought
• 42:24
  about making a video and I, I, I said, like, the easy thing to do
• 42:28
  here is say Dave is cooked, Like Dave needs a new job.
• 42:34
  I don't think that that's fair because he's done it well in the
• 42:38
  past. I think his hand is being forced
• 42:41
  now. He's he's being limited in what
• 42:44
  he can do and what they can pull off.
• 42:46
  I mean, look at the last four years, man.
• 42:48
  It's been a scramble every year. Word on the street this is his
• 42:51
  last year. There's nothing.
• 42:53
  What? Rumor is real quick.
• 42:57
  Larry 199 running is equal to the string theory.
• 43:00
  I don't think he likes running. You get that.
• 43:05
  I'm I'm with you as far as like I don't, I, I, I'm not against
• 43:12
  like Dave programming, but I do think if this year is not what
• 43:19
  you are saying, Tyler, what we said on the previous show, like
• 43:22
  if it doesn't allude back to that at all programming wise,
• 43:25
  then I think I'm pretty done. What we need is a massive
• 43:30
  headquarters like Souza talked about that has a campus there
• 43:34
  for the CrossFit Games and have everything that we would need.
• 43:39
  That solves everything. You think Glassman would just
• 43:43
  build it in Phoenix? I don't think Phoenix would be
• 43:46
  the right place for it, but doesn't.
• 43:48
  Matter if he builds it, they'll come.
• 43:50
  If you couldn't tell by looking at Souza's picture, that HQ is
• 43:53
  100% either in Iowa or Arkansas. So.
• 43:57
  Oh, you want it in the middle of the country like a I'm?
• 44:00
  Just saying based on the picture like a.
• 44:03
  Nuclear. I thought it was on like Mars
• 44:08
  that no, I'm just saying Phoenix, no, just from a outdoor
• 44:11
  perspective probably doesn't work.
• 44:14
  Well, yeah. Winter months.
• 44:18
  August in Phoenix would probably.
• 44:20
  Be alright no end in October. It goes.
• 44:24
  We've talked about it. I don't know how many times we
• 44:26
  talked about it. Going outdoors.
• 44:27
  We need a, we need a festival feel.
• 44:30
  Bring everybody back together, put it back outside, bring it
• 44:35
  back to what it was meant to be, and I think it can grow.
• 44:42
  Yeah, I like first I like 2 events outside and then one
• 44:45
  event inside like for three straight days, you know what I
• 44:50
  mean? And and it's always like that.
• 44:51
  Yeah, pretty. Much what it was always like.
• 44:53
  One early in the morning, you got one in the heat.
• 44:56
  It should be like a bit of a shorter one, but it's, you know,
• 44:58
  we're in the heat and then you have like indoor event, you can
• 45:01
  do whatever you want. Like that's more of like a
• 45:03
  little bit more in gym, you know what I mean?
• 45:05
  But that sticks to what you want, Tyler.
• 45:07
  That's three events inside, 6 events outside, probably 3
• 45:13
  events that are like monostructural but like in
• 45:17
  different facets, you know, running, swimming, biking.
• 45:21
  And then you have 3 events that are cross play crossfitty
• 45:25
  outside that you can like play with and then three like really
• 45:29
  legit like these are 2159. However you want it.
• 45:33
  You know, I and I'm I'm all for it.
• 45:36
  I'm all for it. Well.
• 45:39
  It'd be interesting. I'm not sure it has the
• 45:41
  infrastructure to I'm. With Kate.
• 45:45
  That many. I love Here we go.
• 45:48
  I love Columbus, OH listen, Columbus, OH, when they had
• 45:52
  Rogue there, I had a ball. I did.
• 45:55
  Y'all go to Rogue when it was at Columbus?
• 45:57
  Did you go to the mall, John I? Would they?
• 45:59
  They have an insane mall, but but just Columbus itself.
• 46:03
  Columbus is a good city. It is underrated.
• 46:06
  It's an underrated city. I nobody talks about Columbus.
• 46:10
  It's a very good city. You just need to move to
• 46:14
  Columbus bro. You've gone on this rant like 6
• 46:17
  times on this show yo. What else?
• 46:18
  Yo, what else is a nice city? Tyler, You'll, you'll respect.
• 46:20
  This is Indianapolis. Indianapolis is a very nice
• 46:23
  city. It's Oh, you're so wrong if you
• 46:26
  don't. I live there, John.
• 46:27
  Like the downtown Indianapolis is is very, very clean.
• 46:31
  Very clean. OK y'all.
• 46:36
  Y'all are haters man. You guys hit the nail on the
• 46:39
  head today. It's something I've been, you
• 46:41
  know, like with the combine programming, the combine at the
• 46:44
  games or some form of the combine.
• 46:47
  One thing I didn't like was, like Jr. said, doing shoulder to
• 46:51
  overhead. And so the bench press, I was
• 46:53
  like, no, like we need to do stuff that people do because we
• 46:58
  can hang like some of the best games athletes can hang with
• 47:01
  some of the NFL guys on the bench press do shit that's that
• 47:04
  people can look at and relate to, Yeah.
• 47:07
  It depends what position, but for sure.
• 47:09
  Yeah, like. I I can do. 2025 and I know
• 47:13
  Austin can probably do more than that.
• 47:14
  I know Colton can probably do 30.
• 47:17
  I can do what was it 1213? I think, I think it was 12.
• 47:24
  No, it might have been 13. He had like 1 crazy crazy
• 47:27
  grinder that was like it was awesome.
• 47:30
  Do we have a video of it somewhere?
• 47:32
  Yeah, somewhere. Anyway, that post, that was my
• 47:35
  whole spiel. Is that you?
• 47:37
  Do more than Christian McCaffrey.
• 47:39
  Did you know that? Hell yeah, I.
• 47:46
  Christian McCaffrey after college or no?
• 47:49
  After college, I don't always ask, I feel.
• 47:50
  Like that's different. So I, I just have hate for for
• 47:55
  what I see happening and what's coming potentially down the tube
• 47:58
  if we keep pushing in the direction we're pushing.
• 48:01
  I have hope that it's going to change.
• 48:02
  But until then I'm like I'm just going to start training for shit
• 48:06
  that inspired me in the 1st place and.
• 48:10
  This is true JRW if it moved Indianapolis, Mac if you would
• 48:13
  give it all the love. He'd probably do Murph live with
• 48:15
  his people. He.
• 48:16
  Talks about it every once in a while I.
• 48:17
  Was getting ready to say he kind of brings it up.
• 48:19
  I bet you we could wing Hiller in there somehow to do Murph
• 48:23
  with him. Oh.
• 48:26
  You could. You could train a lot of
• 48:29
  commentators. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:31
  That's what I'm saying. Like we can get close enough to
• 48:34
  to do it. I like it, Yeah, so.
• 48:37
  Anyway, that's my that's my hate for the winter hate.
• 48:40
  Look at string theory. I agree.
• 48:45
  I agree with your hate. I just I I am optimistic.
• 48:50
  Yeah. Maybe, maybe, maybe you're.
• 48:52
  Expecting an announce back from last maybe?
• 48:54
  Ignorantly so, but you know, we'll see.
• 48:59
  No one's talked about this in the way that I'm bringing it up,
• 49:01
  which is the inspirational piece.
• 49:04
  And we, we focus so much about going the route that we're
• 49:08
  going, which is the professionalization route, that
• 49:10
  I think we just got lost in the sauce and now people want to fix
• 49:13
  the thing and that, and Crossfitters wanted to be
• 49:15
  CrossFit. And I'm, I'm here to tell you
• 49:17
  that's not why you fell in love with it.
• 49:19
  That's not why you came here. No, I.
• 49:21
  I completely agree with the professionalization of it is not
• 49:24
  what. I completely agree.
• 49:28
  Kind of tangent to that, did you see that Grand Slam track?
• 49:34
  It's done. Lately fell apart.
• 49:36
  So Michael Johnson, the Golden Shoe dude from the Olympics.
• 49:39
  Yeah, I. Know.
• 49:39
  I know my. Started started Grand Slam
• 49:41
  track, basically said all the the field events can go suck it.
• 49:46
  We're just going to go do some running events, pay people like
• 49:50
  they they it was crazy. They had a pro division.
• 49:51
  They have challengers, they had pro athletes and every one of
• 49:55
  them. And then they had challenges
• 49:56
  that came up. Now they all didn't have like
• 49:59
  two different like groups. They were, they were all just
• 50:02
  raced together. Put them on like I think maybe
• 50:07
  you've guaranteed salaries and then they had some pretty high
• 50:10
  prize money like 100,000 if you won one of the four events.
• 50:14
  They just cancelled this past weekend in Los Angeles.
• 50:19
  So I was watching some shows about it and like some people
• 50:23
  not I would say like killer, but definitely not the, you know,
• 50:27
  basically somebody just talking at the camera.
• 50:30
  And the guy was like track athletes before this never
• 50:35
  really got paid. You got paid by a brand to wear
• 50:39
  their stuff on the on the track and be seen wearing New Balance
• 50:45
  or Nike or Adidas. You're just a billboard.
• 50:48
  You're making your money that way.
• 50:52
  That's what Crossfitters, that's what CrossFit is right now.
• 50:57
  The CrossFit games like you are a billboard.
• 50:59
  Look at look at any CrossFit athletes Instagram.
• 51:04
  I dare you outside of maybe 5 to go back and count the last 20
• 51:09
  posts of a of any top athlete and tell me how many are not
• 51:14
  sponsored. Well, that's the thing though,
• 51:17
  even. When they're sponsored, they're
• 51:19
  they're still like. Chris Ibarra.
• 51:23
  He doesn't post. Hey look, his last 20 posts he's
• 51:26
  not sponsored. Somebody sponsor Chris Ibarra,
• 51:29
  please. That's the thing though, if you
• 51:33
  if you really think about it, pro athletes aren't paid because
• 51:37
  they're athletes. They're paid because they put
• 51:40
  asses in seats and they get views, which is just one
• 51:44
  billboard. I mean, like, if it's not if
• 51:46
  it's why, why is Indiana paying Caitlin Clark?
• 51:54
  Because she gets asses and seats and she gets views.
• 51:57
  She's a billboard. I think other people are paying
• 51:59
  Caitlin Clark because of that. They.
• 52:01
  They not only are her sponsors outside of that, but I'm saying
• 52:05
  even the team itself, they value her because of the revenue that
• 52:09
  they can bring. She can bring them.
• 52:11
  Does does proven fitness pay Ibarra?
• 52:15
  Should. Because if that's the case, he's
• 52:17
  gotten sponsored a lot. But but outside of that, John,
• 52:21
  you are correct. I.
• 52:22
  Think he's part of their training camp but I I I don't
• 52:24
  know if he gets paid by them or not the.
• 52:26
  Only thing I saw from Chris is that he has like Hercules
• 52:29
  apparel. He has like a shirt that yeah.
• 52:31
  I wasn't. He didn't.
• 52:33
  He didn't. He didn't post it actually.
• 52:35
  It was just a collaboration that Hercules did.
• 52:37
  It looks like they made a game shirt for him.
• 52:39
  But yeah, that that's, I told you, you couldn't probably find
• 52:42
  5 of the 60 games athletes that are.
• 52:46
  Top Sam Quat I don't. Think you want to?
• 52:50
  I don't think you want to see that one.
• 52:52
  That one's. You're probably going to lose
• 52:53
  that one. Surya, Miha, I'll just, I'll
• 53:00
  just go down the DI. Not top, I'll just go.
• 53:02
  To DEI. Yeah, you can't do that.
• 53:05
  No, it has to have some. Some relevancy.
• 53:09
  Jack Rosima. Let's see, Puma training.
• 53:14
  Nailed it. Airwave.
• 53:17
  OK there. We go.
• 53:19
  OK, do. World Fitness project that is
• 53:23
  nailed this. Is all training.
• 53:26
  I Puma training. Yeah, he's just training in his.
• 53:30
  Yeah, that's why training, that's what elementary they
• 53:33
  don't sponsor him with his kid, I.
• 53:35
  Would say this is like half and half right here.
• 53:37
  Spin Puma. Training, Yeah.
• 53:40
  HWPO Imam. OK Airwave.
• 53:44
  Yeah, You've picked like the two guys like, like.
• 53:47
  Don't. Well, I sweat you.
• 53:49
  You've challenged me. I can't think of anybody else.
• 53:55
  If. You count Jack Rosenmuth like
• 53:57
  they were like depends these little fringe people or who you
• 54:00
  want to try to pick. If you say top people, there's
• 54:02
  nobody. That's right.
• 54:04
  Which was the whole point. That was my whole point.
• 54:08
  Yeah, let's let's go through the top ten and count those.
• 54:10
  Dude, don't, don't. And the problem is it it anymore
• 54:13
  Even the training videos you saw it on quants like even the
• 54:16
  training videos have to have A tag of their sponsor.
• 54:19
  Yeah, right. Like it's.
• 54:21
  Oh, look. The trainers are really.
• 54:23
  Bad. Yeah, let's not go countdown.
• 54:25
  Austin's is really bad. Austin's gotten bad.
• 54:28
  Justin's is really, really bad. That's the thing about.
• 54:31
  Portnoy. Justin.
• 54:33
  I don't see those, sorry. Wow.
• 54:34
  Yeah. Sorry.
• 54:36
  Importantly, is sponsored at the wazoo and a lot of his posts
• 54:40
  aren't. Like.
• 54:42
  Such as the tags, some sponsor, like he puts out a ton of
• 54:45
  content that's just him talking about whatever, right?
• 54:48
  And it's like you still relate to him, but it's like if you see
• 54:51
  this billboard pop up, you're like, alright.
• 54:54
  What about James? I'll get there.
• 54:57
  Slow steady runner, $1.99 in pounds, supporting from the UK.
• 55:02
  Man, he's up late. Or she.
• 55:05
  Thank you for those, Daddy. Looks like a woman there chasing
• 55:08
  a turtle. Who was it?
• 55:11
  Sprager. Yeah, I know he's got some, but
• 55:15
  he posts a lot of training stuff and.
• 55:17
  He needs to be What's the ratio you think that you should be
• 55:20
  hitting? Element.
• 55:23
  Damn. CBG element there we.
• 55:32
  Go. Ice Age meals Rocco Fuel roca
• 55:37
  World fitness project this. Is this is he's just Iron Man
• 55:41
  stuff, man. Oh, there we go.
• 55:43
  Training piece. Training piece.
• 55:47
  He's that. He didn't post that and he's
• 55:48
  just drew in some programming there.
• 55:52
  There we go. That's training.
• 55:53
  Piece see like he's not. Holy balls, yeah.
• 55:55
  I was there. We did training piece.
• 55:57
  See, he's not as bad. James isn't as bad.
• 56:01
  Both pops, Yeah, Airwave. Sorry, Sprager, he's got, he's
• 56:07
  got a decent amount. He's still got about half that
• 56:08
  are, yeah, billboards. I.
• 56:11
  Would say if half if it's like that then you're you're doing
• 56:15
  good. Yeah, I would.
• 56:17
  Yeah, like. You are worth a follow your your
• 56:20
  Instagram is not just all you do is just post your that stuff.
• 56:25
  Yeah, Tia is terrible. Tia and Matt are like one of the
• 56:31
  most unfollowable people you can.
• 56:34
  He gets literally everything. Brooks pretty high.
• 56:38
  Well, I can't see Brooks cause Brooke Wells.
• 56:41
  Brooke Wells has blocked me for some reason.
• 56:44
  Yeah, nobody else. And listen, I feel like you
• 56:48
  guys, you tell me if I'm wrong. I feel like I'm like the nice,
• 56:52
  one of the nicest ones to Brooke out of our group.
• 56:58
  You. Didn't rank her hide up on the
• 57:01
  mountain, she. Blocked me on syndicate at right
• 57:04
  on Sunday night of syndicate. Guilty and like I had not said
• 57:08
  any. She doesn't block Sefon.
• 57:11
  Well. She blocks me but not sefon I, I
• 57:15
  don't. Play the game, don't you?
• 57:16
  I. Don't understand it at all, Let
• 57:18
  me. See if I'm blocked.
• 57:19
  I thought I would know if you're blocked.
• 57:20
  Coach, I would thought you can't.
• 57:22
  You. Can't see their stuff I like.
• 57:25
  Not blocked I've. Only said good things about her.
• 57:28
  Yeah, here, I'll show you. It's, it's, it's it was wild,
• 57:30
  'cause I haven't even said anything like directly about
• 57:34
  her, the whole competition other than she's killing everybody
• 57:37
  like she should. Like, that's it.
• 57:40
  You can ask Bill. I don't remember at all.
• 57:42
  And then sure enough, something came up and I I looked her up
• 57:46
  and then I couldn't see anything.
• 57:47
  And I was like, why? Sure.
• 57:50
  You said something, John. Oh yeah, they don't, they don't
• 57:53
  even pop up when you type them in, like, 'cause I can't even, I
• 57:56
  can't even like look her up. She's gone, I feel.
• 58:01
  Yeah, that's how it feels with Mr. Medeiros.
• 58:04
  It happens. Can.
• 58:04
  You can you make a devil's advocate for like Tia?
• 58:08
  No, I think Tia makes enough money where she can be.
• 58:12
  I don't. Think she may post?
• 58:13
  What I want I. Don't think she put.
• 58:14
  I don't think she actually, I mean, I'm saying she's on her
• 58:18
  social media, but I don't think she runs her social media.
• 58:21
  Oh, somebody just does all that stuff for her.
• 58:24
  I was going to say like I don't love social media and so I don't
• 58:28
  post a lot period. Like my whole algorithm, I.
• 58:31
  Think, I think that's it and she has requirements and like she
• 58:34
  doesn't really want to be on there posting.
• 58:36
  And so when you do, when it is posted, it's somebody probably
• 58:41
  is somebody had proven her social media manager or somebody
• 58:44
  that posts all those things, they get content and then throws
• 58:47
  it in there. And every once in a while she
• 58:48
  has to go talk at the camera for whatever.
• 58:52
  But that it doesn't doesn't like.
• 58:55
  So even though she she doesn't want to be on camera, it is
• 58:58
  something you have to then think about if that's the game you're
• 59:00
  playing. Portnoy, I guarantee Portnoy
• 59:02
  likes being in front of the camera, right?
• 59:04
  So he's OK being on there and just talking constantly.
• 59:07
  And so even if he does. Post the same.
• 59:09
  Amount of advertisements, if you even if he posts the same amount
• 59:13
  like let's say 10 in a month, he drowns it out by putting posting
• 59:17
  a whole bunch of other stuff. He is not going to post that
• 59:20
  much. So then it's just going to be
• 59:21
  that way. But surviving barstool is one of
• 59:24
  the greatest things I've ever seen in my life.
• 59:26
  I wish so badly we could do that with surviving the locker room.
• 59:31
  And we all just go somewhere for a month and so you get
• 59:34
  eliminated off, but you know it wouldn't be worth it unless
• 59:37
  we're winning something like $100,000, right?
• 59:39
  But they. Did that in like a week John.
• 59:43
  Well, then if we should, we should all just take a vacation
• 59:46
  for a week and just make content and just have Rios and walk
• 59:48
  around, you know, Rios and and somebody else.
• 59:52
  Because I guess we need all, all of us for it, right?
• 59:55
  So people can't be on the camera.
• 59:57
  We'd have to hire like four other camera guys the second.
• 59:59
  Bryson gets eliminated. He'll be one of the camera guys.
• 1:00:03
  Like, we'll just eliminate the camera.
• 1:00:04
  People like like first, like Caleb's First off.
• 1:00:12
  Run the camera that. That would be so so fun.
• 1:00:15
  In surviving just because. We need it just because we need
• 1:00:18
  it. Oh dude, it would be so much
• 1:00:21
  fun. I know, I know.
• 1:00:23
  We need to move, but in in in surviving the locker room,
• 1:00:28
  there's two questions. I always think about who's the
• 1:00:30
  sneaker pick, who makes it way longer than they should?
• 1:00:34
  And then who 321 go? Who are you building alliances
• 1:00:39
  with? Like the first, Like before the
• 1:00:42
  show even starts. Dude, Pedro's a good one.
• 1:00:48
  I, I, I think Peter is the guy that makes it like way for like
• 1:00:53
  you don't even think about him. And then he's in the final
• 1:00:54
  three. My alliance immediately,
• 1:00:58
  honestly, would probably be Taylor.
• 1:01:03
  And the reason why, yeah. And the the reason why is
• 1:01:08
  because I don't think people would see that coming.
• 1:01:11
  And then Jr. would be like my main alliance, but me and Taylor
• 1:01:15
  have this secret 1. So he just kind of goes and does
• 1:01:18
  his thing and I go do my thing. You see what I'm saying?
• 1:01:21
  And then we can kind of cover for each other, right, if we
• 1:01:24
  don't ever talk to each other, But I'm like, look, I'm going to
• 1:01:26
  make sure we're not picking you. You make sure we're not picking
• 1:01:28
  me. And I just don't think people
• 1:01:30
  would pick up on it if we don't talk to each other.
• 1:01:32
  We're very different personalities.
• 1:01:34
  And then that would be what I would that would be my plan.
• 1:01:37
  And then Jri mean him get along like people like Jr. you know
• 1:01:42
  what I mean? We, I think me and him would
• 1:01:43
  stay tight and then, you know, whoever wanted to be with us
• 1:01:46
  could be with us. That's that's how I would do it.
• 1:01:49
  I'm immediately banding together with the underdogs because
• 1:01:53
  Savon's going to figure out how to wiggle his way into that
• 1:01:56
  farm. Savon is Portnoy.
• 1:01:58
  He is. To AT.
• 1:02:00
  And so I'm being. Like we can vote Savon off
• 1:02:03
  whenever we want to. I'm.
• 1:02:05
  Tricking. I'm tricking.
• 1:02:06
  I'm tricking well, I'm not tricking Bryson.
• 1:02:09
  I'm making friends with Bryson 'cause I'm like, here's the
• 1:02:11
  thing, dude, you and Taylor are boys, but at some point he's
• 1:02:14
  going to have to cut you and, and you need a friend in that
• 1:02:18
  moment. And I'm here to be your friend.
• 1:02:19
  Caleb. I'm banding together with Caleb.
• 1:02:21
  All the sneaky guys. I'm I'm banding together with
• 1:02:24
  them. What about in those people off
• 1:02:26
  1st? See, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:02:29
  We can say I can save you all. Right man.
• 1:02:34
  One day, who? What?
• 1:02:36
  Who would I? I told you.
• 1:02:38
  Who's this? Sneaky pics Pedro.
• 1:02:40
  You banded it with Pedro. And then who?
• 1:02:45
  Oh, OK, OK. You're just the same person for
• 1:02:47
  you. Here's the here's the hard one
• 1:02:49
  is Sousa. If you if you create an alliance
• 1:02:53
  with Sousa, there's always that that tricky case that he's super
• 1:02:58
  aligned with Savon. See.
• 1:03:01
  I think Sousa and Peter would be the hardest to trust.
• 1:03:06
  I think they would have their hand in everything and and you
• 1:03:10
  see what I'm saying? And and then you.
• 1:03:13
  Gotta know that going into it and.
• 1:03:14
  Then and then make moves when they need to make moves, right?
• 1:03:17
  And then you'd be like, OK, I'm jumping ship whenever the IT
• 1:03:20
  starts breaking apart. I think Souza and Peter are both
• 1:03:23
  like that. But that's why I said Taylor and
• 1:03:26
  not them, because I can me and Taylor could never talk to each
• 1:03:30
  other the entire time and know and know and know that we're
• 1:03:36
  backing each other up. Does that make and like people
• 1:03:38
  wouldn't see it coming. Susan, Peter, I couldn't trust
• 1:03:41
  them if we were together because at some point something looks
• 1:03:45
  prettier to them then and then they'd be like, this is just a
• 1:03:49
  move I had to make. I hope you understand.
• 1:03:50
  And like I do understand, but they would make that move,
• 1:03:54
  right? We're we're, I need somebody who
• 1:03:57
  like we're going to the end, no matter what, nobody's going to
• 1:03:59
  see it coming. That's what I.
• 1:04:00
  You got to know what you're walking into and use them to
• 1:04:02
  your advantage. I've told this to Tyler and
• 1:04:04
  other people. I.
• 1:04:06
  Think. We better, we better move on.
• 1:04:07
  Would do that better than I could do it, John.
• 1:04:11
  Doesn't trust himself in this game.
• 1:04:15
  All right. We're moving on.
• 1:04:16
  We we might do that some point if somebody wants to drop a
• 1:04:19
  whole bunch of money to sponsor it.
• 1:04:23
  Let's see all time CrossFit Games athletes.
• 1:04:27
  John, you're working on a project.
• 1:04:31
  Do you want to like? I am, yeah.
• 1:04:33
  We, John. String theory, Yeah, your
• 1:04:36
  elevator pitch of what you're doing and then what we're
• 1:04:38
  actually going to do here. OK, OK.
• 1:04:40
  So I'm currently working on I I feel and I've had bark, I've
• 1:04:46
  talked to Barkley to kind of help me out with it.
• 1:04:49
  As far as making it legit. I have come up with an equation,
• 1:04:55
  if you will, a sliding scale. No, Barclay didn't make it, but
• 1:04:59
  he just, he just helped me make it more where less, less, less
• 1:05:03
  holes to poke in it. Yeah, advisor's a good way to do
• 1:05:06
  it. And it's a sliding scale of who
• 1:05:11
  is the all time best, but by numbers.
• 1:05:15
  So for example, in 2007 to 2009 it goes on a 60 point scale.
• 1:05:21
  Like from 1st to 20th you get points in being the top 20 and
• 1:05:25
  then you and then we event wins are worth 5 and then you just
• 1:05:29
  and then you go down to the next era, right?
• 1:05:32
  Every five years after the first one is a new era and then the
• 1:05:36
  scale goes up. So it goes up to 70 points, 2010
• 1:05:40
  to 2014 and then 2015 to 2019 is an 80 point scale.
• 1:05:44
  And then you just see who is the best all time by the numbers,
• 1:05:50
  OK, and how they place in the games when they place.
• 1:05:52
  And this originated because Bryson and me had a a
• 1:05:56
  conversation about where would Scott Panjic rank because you
• 1:06:01
  know, he never really podium or he didn't win a ton of events
• 1:06:04
  versus somebody like Dallin today, right.
• 1:06:09
  And in my case, I would take Dallin, but the numbers, just
• 1:06:14
  the longevity, which says Scott Pantchick's worth more.
• 1:06:17
  I know that cause I've done this a little bit now.
• 1:06:18
  I kind of see where it's trending.
• 1:06:20
  But you see where those meet together, right?
• 1:06:23
  It makes, it might take down in like 5 years to eclipse Scott
• 1:06:27
  Pantchick, right? But it's straight up numbers of
• 1:06:30
  who is the greatest of all time. And I haven't finished it yet.
• 1:06:35
  So we're going to make our all time men and all time women
• 1:06:38
  here, and we're going to see how it compares to the legit thing
• 1:06:43
  once I finish it. And I talked to Chase.
• 1:06:47
  And on the 20th anniversary of the Games, the 20th Games,
• 1:06:51
  whoever the top 25 men and women are, that will be your inaugural
• 1:06:57
  class of the CrossFit Hall of Fame.
• 1:06:59
  And then every five years it will update and then new people
• 1:07:04
  will be eligible to go into the Hall of Fame.
• 1:07:06
  We don't. Need a computer telling us who
• 1:07:07
  the Hall of Fame is? John No.
• 1:07:09
  No, no spin. No, that's where you got me all
• 1:07:11
  wrong. It's who is available.
• 1:07:16
  Yeah, that is that is the that is the criteria, just like MLB,
• 1:07:21
  just like NBA, It's that's the criteria of who is available.
• 1:07:25
  And then on the 20th anniversary of the CrossFit Games, we will
• 1:07:28
  have a board which Chase is working on it with CrossFit HQ.
• 1:07:33
  The we'll have a board of five people, not cross just CrossFit,
• 1:07:37
  like different people out in the area.
• 1:07:40
  We'll pick the five best and then you'll have five more
• 1:07:43
  available. But they will always be from
• 1:07:45
  that all time list. That is the guideline you have
• 1:07:47
  to go by. OK, I'm wondering.
• 1:07:58
  There's. AI don't I I I knew going into
• 1:08:01
  this we were going to have arguments about it because you
• 1:08:06
  give no credit to people who were better in their era than
• 1:08:12
  others back in the day. Like the newer generation.
• 1:08:16
  If you win, if you win 2 Times Now Justin Medeiros, he's going
• 1:08:22
  to be better than Annie Thoris daughter.
• 1:08:24
  He's not yet at all because he's not competed.
• 1:08:28
  Enough. But the the that point jump,
• 1:08:31
  right? He's not competing enough.
• 1:08:32
  If he gets 7th place for the next 7 years, he will not be
• 1:08:36
  better than Annie Thorstar. The point, the point the yeah,
• 1:08:40
  it doesn't like Annie's done more because event wins are
• 1:08:44
  worth 5 across the board. They don't elevate.
• 1:08:48
  So if you have 12 event wins, somebody, that's 60 points that
• 1:08:54
  you're getting on somebody who doesn't have any event wins and
• 1:08:57
  say, I know Justin has like 2 or 3, but that shows your dominance
• 1:09:02
  over your era. And it kind of dulls the sliding
• 1:09:04
  scale a bit. But it's just like Wilt
• 1:09:07
  Chamberlain. Like Wilt Chamberlain is not the
• 1:09:09
  greatest of all time, but he is in the top ten and everybody
• 1:09:12
  would put him there, right? Even though it was a record,
• 1:09:14
  say. That the.
• 1:09:15
  Records the record books he like.
• 1:09:17
  You can't touch his records, right?
• 1:09:20
  So he deserves to be there. But people are fitter now than
• 1:09:24
  they were back then. So it's just where does that
• 1:09:26
  meet? Where does that meet?
• 1:09:28
  And as the eras grow, as the years grow, right, that sliding
• 1:09:34
  scale gets closer and closer. Because it caps at 100.
• 1:09:39
  I mean that that that brings up a good question though, like why
• 1:09:43
  does event wins matter? 'Cause it shows the dominance
• 1:09:50
  over your he is. Doing great then and you would
• 1:09:54
  say D just because he wins, just because he wins so many times
• 1:09:58
  he's higher you'd be he's higher ranked and you would put him
• 1:10:01
  based on where you believe it is so.
• 1:10:04
  When you see this list, you will be shocked.
• 1:10:06
  D wouldn't won't even be close to making the list.
• 1:10:09
  I didn't think you'd. Be I didn't say you'd be on the
• 1:10:11
  list, I said he'd be higher than where you think he should be
• 1:10:14
  because of event wins and you hate that.
• 1:10:18
  I do, but how many people know the name Gmail Harros a lot
• 1:10:25
  versus how many people know the name Sam Quan?
• 1:10:30
  I think more people know Gmail, Harros and Sam Quan.
• 1:10:33
  Yeah. But how how much does that does,
• 1:10:34
  does that have to do with like social media and stuff and and
• 1:10:37
  the prevalence of how much we pushed he through his years
• 1:10:41
  versus how much? His event wins though show like
• 1:10:45
  the impact he has on the games, right?
• 1:10:48
  It's not. It's fitness and impact in an
• 1:10:51
  all time equation just. Answer me this I.
• 1:10:54
  Think once you see it spin, you'll, you'll respect it way,
• 1:10:58
  way more. For instance, Becca Voight
• 1:11:00
  Miller, right? We all know I love her.
• 1:11:04
  Fan of the show? She is.
• 1:11:06
  She is the third best woman all time through 2013 and like it's
• 1:11:15
  you wouldn't think that just thinking like and she is.
• 1:11:18
  That's the but that she was still current in that era.
• 1:11:22
  She was 30th place in 2014. But tell me, Riddle me this,
• 1:11:28
  John. Yeah, we get to year 30 of the
• 1:11:31
  games. Is it possible that anybody from
• 1:11:35
  the first or second era would be in the top 10?
• 1:11:38
  Yes, because because the scale is sliding.
• 1:11:42
  So As for instance, we're on 100 point scale, this is this is the
• 1:11:47
  first year of 100 point scale. The next era doesn't go to 110,
• 1:11:52
  it stays at 100. And then the next one, the one
• 1:11:55
  before it's worth 90, the one before it's worth 80.
• 1:11:57
  So like it, it gets more and more condensed.
• 1:12:00
  So 50 years down the road, everything's going to be worth
• 1:12:03
  the same or very close to. How Who was the head of Rebecca
• 1:12:10
  Voight Miller in 20th by 2013? I think it's Kristen Clever and
• 1:12:15
  Annie, Thor's daughter. Just because she competed since
• 1:12:21
  2008? Correct, but she got third place
• 1:12:26
  in one of those years. She got 7th place in one of
• 1:12:28
  those years. She has one event win, and if
• 1:12:31
  you're going to say the one win that Sam Briggs has over her,
• 1:12:36
  like it's not worth more, it's not.
• 1:12:38
  What do you what? What if you have a Barry Sanders
• 1:12:41
  like tenure? What if you have like 2 years
• 1:12:45
  where you're just the Golden Boy?
• 1:12:46
  You're just killing advance, but then you don't compete anymore.
• 1:12:49
  Like you just fall off the face of the earth.
• 1:12:52
  Right. And then for the all time list,
• 1:12:55
  like you're going to be 20th, 24th place, like if you won two
• 1:12:59
  CrossFit Games and then you left.
• 1:13:02
  I wouldn't say that that's unfair.
• 1:13:04
  The talk would be that that person was the greatest and we
• 1:13:07
  just never got to see him ever again.
• 1:13:09
  They walked away. But if greatest of all time,
• 1:13:12
  there is a element of of Rich doing so many years of
• 1:13:17
  competition and Tia doing so and.
• 1:13:19
  I would say Rich. I would say Rich is the Barry
• 1:13:21
  Sanders 'cause Barry Sanders still played ten years.
• 1:13:25
  He had 15,000 yards. He was, he was 1000.
• 1:13:29
  He was, he was like 1000. Bo Jackson's probably the best
• 1:13:31
  example. But.
• 1:13:33
  But even Bo Jackson, Bo Jackson wasn't the best running back of
• 1:13:36
  his of in the league when he was playing.
• 1:13:39
  He just was one of them. And he was a freak athlete and
• 1:13:42
  people made a big deal about it. But go look, go look at who he
• 1:13:45
  was the Gee he go look at who led the league in rushing yards.
• 1:13:48
  It wasn't Bo Jackson, right? He played four years and was
• 1:13:51
  hurt for two of them, but then he could do 80 yard runs nobody
• 1:13:54
  else could do. Bo Jackson was never like one of
• 1:13:58
  the top running backs of all time.
• 1:14:01
  Bo Jackson was 90s. I mean, Barry Sanders was Bo
• 1:14:04
  Jackson time. Barry Sanders.
• 1:14:07
  OK. And then Walter Payton was right
• 1:14:08
  was was before Barry Sanders. But so like Bo Jackson shouldn't
• 1:14:13
  be on the all time list, but you would talk about him because he
• 1:14:15
  was awesome when he was. He is a great example of Bo
• 1:14:17
  Jackson, right? And Bo Jackson is looked at more
• 1:14:22
  highly than he probably should be because he could do things
• 1:14:26
  nobody else can do, just like just like he, just like he.
• 1:14:32
  But it doesn't show. It doesn't show in this all time
• 1:14:35
  list because that's strictly by the numbers.
• 1:14:37
  So that's coming out at some point.
• 1:14:40
  We're supposed to make a top ten list together.
• 1:14:43
  It's gonna be a disaster. Well.
• 1:14:45
  At some point, you're just gonna have to like, just agree.
• 1:14:50
  Right. So how?
• 1:14:51
  Do we get to the inaugural CrossFit?
• 1:14:54
  What do we call Hall of Fame? We're still going to have to
• 1:14:57
  vote and John's going to have his equations.
• 1:15:00
  And that's going to be who's available.
• 1:15:02
  That's going to be who's available and it's going to be a
• 1:15:04
  data point we. Need to walk this back a little
• 1:15:06
  bit. John used to give me a lot of
• 1:15:08
  shit for pulling out the computer and here no.
• 1:15:11
  It is with the computer. Well, no, it's really just to
• 1:15:13
  see where people like of Rebecca Voight Miller and like a Scott
• 1:15:18
  Pancic like end up being in the all time number.
• 1:15:23
  Like this is what it says by the numbers.
• 1:15:26
  And so like I want to see if no, I'm right or I'm low, I'm low on
• 1:15:31
  them and I should be higher or the general public is too high
• 1:15:37
  on them and they should be lower.
• 1:15:38
  Like it's you can't argue with the numbers and that's all this
• 1:15:43
  is doing. Brandon Ecker all time career or
• 1:15:47
  all time talent? John is saying career correct.
• 1:15:51
  Yeah, you. Can't measure talent?
• 1:15:53
  No, Correct. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:15:55
  I. Think there is you have to weigh
• 1:15:56
  it when you look at you know like go through this we need to
• 1:15:58
  get going so we got like 40 minutes to try to go through
• 1:16:01
  this we got it John 1 I think we'll.
• 1:16:03
  Be faster. I think we'll be faster than you
• 1:16:04
  think. Oh, I didn't know Tyler Tate was
• 1:16:06
  going to go on for an hour. But I I think we'll be faster.
• 1:16:10
  All right, so. I didn't make the list at all.
• 1:16:13
  I thought we'd go as as blank as we can be off the cuff as we can
• 1:16:17
  be. I didn't.
• 1:16:17
  I don't have any lists. I don't have any numbers.
• 1:16:19
  Just how do we feel? And we'll see how it compares to
• 1:16:21
  the numbers at the end of it. I think we'll miss a lot of
• 1:16:24
  people. We're going to compare at the
• 1:16:26
  end. Yeah, once I make the list, we
• 1:16:29
  will compare what we said originally to what it says by
• 1:16:32
  the number. Oh, so not in the show?
• 1:16:33
  We're going to compare it a later date.
• 1:16:35
  So we're going to come up with one.
• 1:16:37
  We're trying to come up with one list.
• 1:16:38
  Is that right, Tyler or both or whoever wants to?
• 1:16:42
  OK. Well boy, so top ten men.
• 1:16:46
  Rich Froning. Rich Froning.
• 1:16:48
  I would say, I would say Matt Fraser, but no, hey, hey, hey,
• 1:16:55
  by accomplishments, by accomplishments, five games is
• 1:17:01
  more than four guys, teams, teams, doesn't matter.
• 1:17:04
  It's his individual games. Just because he didn't doesn't
• 1:17:08
  mean he couldn't. He didn't though.
• 1:17:11
  Matt Fraser could have won ten in a row, so.
• 1:17:13
  We're saying top 10 by accomplishments.
• 1:17:17
  Technically, it's Matt. Would you say Aaron Rodgers is a
• 1:17:21
  better quarterback than Tom Brady?
• 1:17:23
  No, I would say nobody was better than Joe Montana.
• 1:17:26
  OK. But Tom Brady is by
• 1:17:28
  accomplishments. By accomplishments, Tom Brady
• 1:17:30
  is. This is the This is the recency
• 1:17:32
  bias that I don't like about your model.
• 1:17:37
  As the years go on, everything will get condensed.
• 1:17:42
  This will phase. Out in 30 years. 30 years.
• 1:17:46
  We're on episode 1500. And by accomplishments, Matt
• 1:17:53
  Fraser has done more You cannot in individual CrossFit Games.
• 1:17:58
  So it has to be Frasier, Froning, Maderos top three.
• 1:18:06
  Well, see, this is where you run into how does longevity play
• 1:18:09
  into it? Is two wins worth more than six
• 1:18:13
  podiums? Like, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:18:17
  But ten years of making the top five CrossFit Games, but you
• 1:18:20
  didn't win it all. You know what I mean?
• 1:18:23
  This is like if you say Fraser and fronting straight up, Fraser
• 1:18:26
  wins in every single metric. It's not just they're really
• 1:18:29
  close. Fraser wins in every metric.
• 1:18:32
  Fronting beat Fraser head to head.
• 1:18:35
  The only and. Fraser has OK and Fraser has
• 1:18:38
  more games wins, more event wins.
• 1:18:42
  That's all I need, Sean. More, more second places
• 1:18:46
  technically. Did you see what I'm saying?
• 1:18:49
  Yes. I I will see.
• 1:18:53
  Y'all are trying to be he also right now and I'm telling
• 1:18:55
  Frazier. Also did 2020 which is complete
• 1:18:58
  garbage because nobody will ever catch him because he played.
• 1:19:00
  He he had a gazillion events where he only had to compete
• 1:19:03
  against five athletes or 4 athletes.
• 1:19:05
  He did, 2019. When Matt Chan is the second
• 1:19:07
  fittest man in the world. No, but there was a full field
• 1:19:10
  at the 2012 Games, even with respect to that era.
• 1:19:13
  That's the thing about the era's thing, John.
• 1:19:15
  It was like he they were competing with all of the
• 1:19:19
  athletes. Do you think he would or 2020?
• 1:19:25
  No, he would have won, but he wouldn't have won as nearly as
• 1:19:27
  many events as he did. No, and that's what No, no, no
• 1:19:31
  for the model because of 2020 for that event wins are worth
• 1:19:35
  half. So like it would have been if he
• 1:19:38
  won 10 events. It's 5 events, I think.
• 1:19:41
  And I and I think that's, I think that's the.
• 1:19:43
  Best, yeah. I mean that's nice that you did
• 1:19:47
  that, but it should be worth less than that because like dude
• 1:19:50
  he competed with. Yeah, but the year the year
• 1:19:53
  previous he won 6 events and if I gave him 1/4 he would have won
• 1:19:57
  half of that. Like it makes it comparable to
• 1:19:59
  the year previous, which I think is fair.
• 1:20:03
  Patrick Clark, he can watch again 'cause he's in the States.
• 1:20:06
  Just shocked that Tyler didn't say Travis Mayer for number one.
• 1:20:10
  I'm not a fool. And for the sake of this guys,
• 1:20:12
  for the sake of this, go accomplishments what we think by
• 1:20:16
  accomplishments. There is zero chance we're gonna
• 1:20:19
  actually get through a list, so we're gonna just go through
• 1:20:21
  this. Well if y'all if you quit trying
• 1:20:22
  to be so contrarian with it. I just said for accomplishments.
• 1:20:26
  This is the hardest thing. Once we get past this one, it I.
• 1:20:28
  I I, yeah, I agree. OK, I, Fraser and Froning are
• 1:20:31
  one and two. I'm not gonna say Justin is #3.
• 1:20:36
  I I'm not either. I think Vellner's three can you
• 1:20:38
  go, can you go up back to the thing spin so we can see it.
• 1:20:42
  What, just a blank sheet with 1/2?
• 1:20:44
  Yeah. Are you gonna type them out?
• 1:20:45
  No. We're just gonna go through this
• 1:20:46
  because this is a this is never gonna happen spin.
• 1:20:49
  This is it's. Gonna go quick, can you?
• 1:20:52
  Yeah. We're already at 3.
• 1:20:53
  It's gonna go really, really fast.
• 1:20:56
  I bet you we could do this in 10 minutes if y'all would just pull
• 1:20:59
  it together, Fraser. All right, spin if you're, if
• 1:21:02
  you're not. What?
• 1:21:06
  I just told you to go buy accomplishments.
• 1:21:10
  I would agree with Velnery. If you want to do your personal
• 1:21:13
  list that's not one word is by accomplishments and I know
• 1:21:17
  freaking. I don't even care to do it.
• 1:21:20
  If you're going to be retarded about it, I don't care to do it
• 1:21:23
  anymore. Two out of the three of us are
• 1:21:25
  saying Froeting is the top ten. I've.
• 1:21:27
  I've it's by. Accomplishments, Tyler, Define
• 1:21:33
  accomplishments Winning. The games event wins, so
• 1:21:37
  Medeiros is #3 average finish placement, stuff like that.
• 1:21:42
  I told you this a million freaking times if you can't
• 1:21:45
  freaking operate. So there's no there's and we
• 1:21:47
  already do this. No, we should be we should be
• 1:21:50
  done. We.
• 1:21:51
  Should be. The computer should talk.
• 1:21:52
  That's. What I'm saying this is, can we
• 1:21:54
  do what the computer's gonna like I we're gonna be way off on
• 1:21:57
  the. Computer.
• 1:21:59
  This should be the easiest one. Beat the computer.
• 1:22:06
  If I'm gonna do the computer, then it's a way different game.
• 1:22:08
  I don't believe it. I'm just that's what we're.
• 1:22:09
  Playing though, I'm just. Guessing the computer and then.
• 1:22:13
  Play then call it guess the computer.
• 1:22:14
  I've I've told you this before we started the show.
• 1:22:17
  It's like it's really pissing me off that you can't just do what
• 1:22:20
  I said to do. Play the game.
• 1:22:26
  Guess the computer all right, I would agree then it now.
• 1:22:32
  I will agree with Velnor at three.
• 1:22:35
  I don't want to put him there, but I I via accomplishments.
• 1:22:39
  I think that's correct if. If we're guessing, the computer
• 1:22:41
  has to be Velnor because he's competed forever.
• 1:22:45
  This is where it's going to get hard because I'm going to want
• 1:22:47
  to say Ben Smith at 4:00. I like Ben Smith at 4:00.
• 1:22:54
  Just because of longevity. He won, he won one year, he was
• 1:22:58
  second another year and he was third another year after that.
• 1:23:01
  He's been around for hell. And he made the podium 3
• 1:23:03
  different years and he has competed for 10 years. 10
• 1:23:14
  minutes. Whatever.
• 1:23:18
  I If you want to say Ben Smith, that's fine.
• 1:23:21
  Who? Would you say you want to say
• 1:23:23
  Justin Medeiros? Yeah.
• 1:23:24
  'Cause he has won twice he he has a top five and a two first
• 1:23:30
  place finishes his first three games that's.
• 1:23:32
  Pretty solid. This is where I think longevity
• 1:23:35
  starts to play in more. Than only two other people have
• 1:23:37
  done that. Actually, no.
• 1:23:39
  Only one person has done and. He'll never place higher than
• 1:23:43
  seventh ever again, but. If he does it for the next 6
• 1:23:45
  years it doesn't matter. He still has he won better
• 1:23:49
  record than I. Kind of don't think he will
• 1:23:51
  either. I I think Justin's a solid 5.
• 1:23:55
  Justin's a solid 5. Jet, Justin, I would agree with
• 1:23:58
  five. Five's a good spot for Justin.
• 1:24:03
  Man, this is. Now spot garbage.
• 1:24:08
  Dan and Jason are going to start playing in here somewhere.
• 1:24:12
  Dan. Bailey.
• 1:24:15
  No. He was around for like 10 years
• 1:24:17
  dude. He.
• 1:24:18
  Will, Yeah. Yeah, no, Dan's really.
• 1:24:20
  OK, then what about Jason? Jason is #6.
• 1:24:23
  Jason Hopper, Khalifa. Khalifa, dude.
• 1:24:26
  OK, Yeah, Khalifa, I would, yeah, I yeah, I would put I
• 1:24:31
  would put Khalifa 6. All right.
• 1:24:34
  Hey, all right. We finally got something in
• 1:24:38
  agreement, OK? Scott.
• 1:24:41
  Kotowski. I have Noah.
• 1:24:50
  I would put Noah Vykowski in the same boat.
• 1:24:53
  Then I would put. I would put you.
• 1:24:56
  Could put him in seven or eight, but I put him in the same boat.
• 1:25:02
  I have Fykowski lower than 8. That's because you hate
• 1:25:06
  Rykowski. He was second one year, he was
• 1:25:12
  four. He was top five like four or
• 1:25:15
  five years, and he played for 8:00.
• 1:25:19
  Who Olson? Fukowski.
• 1:25:22
  What about Olson? The.
• 1:25:23
  Fact that you thought that was Olson should put Fukowski at 8
• 1:25:28
  like we put Noah at 7:00 and then Fukowski at 8.
• 1:25:30
  Who would you put? Who would you put ahead of him?
• 1:25:33
  Scott. No shot, no.
• 1:25:36
  They played almost the same amount of years and Scott
• 1:25:40
  Panczyk never made a podium. The Kowski has like 7 event
• 1:25:43
  wins. I don't agree.
• 1:25:46
  With the whole the whole event win thing.
• 1:25:50
  What about it if? Scott can take 4th.
• 1:25:52
  I don't know how many years. Like what?
• 1:25:54
  Four years? Three years 2.
• 1:25:55
  Years. He took 4-2 years, he took 6 two
• 1:25:57
  years and he took fifth one year.
• 1:26:00
  Dang it dude had a rough go. Yeah, 4th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 6th,
• 1:26:08
  6th and a fourth in 2019 so. Now read for Kowski.
• 1:26:13
  Now read for Kowski. I know you don't want to, but go
• 1:26:17
  ahead and do it for the sake of this.
• 1:26:25
  Let's see 4th, 2nd, 4th, 23rd, 15th, 3rd, 16th, 4th and 3rd.
• 1:26:33
  So he's got 4 podiums. Scott never finished worse than
• 1:26:36
  11th. That's.
• 1:26:38
  Right, but he has four podiums like you take.
• 1:26:42
  You take their five best placements and Frykowski wins
• 1:26:44
  every single one of them. But because he has a 16. 3
• 1:26:48
  podiums. 3 podiums. And two fourths.
• 1:26:54
  So you go there 5 best years. Frykowski wins every single one
• 1:26:59
  of those. But since he has a 16th and a
• 1:27:01
  23rd, you want to put Scott Panchs ahead of them, who's
• 1:27:05
  never podium and won way less? Yeah.
• 1:27:12
  You gonna put Noah at 7:00? Because we didn't argue about
• 1:27:14
  that one. All right.
• 1:27:18
  I would say Fukowski. You say Scott Tyler.
• 1:27:21
  You gonna break the tiebreaker? Scott.
• 1:27:25
  OK, you gonna put Fukowski at 9:00?
• 1:27:27
  Fukowski Desert. He earned 9 for sure He he might
• 1:27:31
  be higher, but I can't like the four like the being in the top
• 1:27:35
  ten that many times that weighs on me a little bit I.
• 1:27:39
  Vehemently disagree with Scott Manche, but that's OK.
• 1:27:43
  We know #10. Jason.
• 1:27:53
  Jason Hopper, BKG. Oh Khalifa, we already said B
• 1:27:58
  kg. I have him as one of my options.
• 1:28:01
  No, no, no, hold on. No, If it's computer.
• 1:28:06
  If it's computer. I'll put in B kg.
• 1:28:08
  I if it. If the computer it's BKGI have
• 1:28:13
  Adler as #10. I actually think the computer
• 1:28:16
  would say Jeff. Why?
• 1:28:20
  'Cause it he won, and he's won events.
• 1:28:23
  And he was he was fifth as well. I think a first and a fifth
• 1:28:28
  outweigh 2/3 and then what else? And then But for GKG is pretty.
• 1:28:32
  He's played for so long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:35
  It's probably BKG. Man, I want to put Adler now.
• 1:28:39
  But you would want Adler, right? Right.
• 1:28:42
  It's. Disrespectful to not put Adler
• 1:28:44
  because he's won. BK GB kg is 11 years, yeah.
• 1:28:48
  Yeah, yeah, Executive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 26th 3rd 8th
• 1:28:51
  5th 5th 3rd 8th 4th 9th 11th 16th Yeah, but.
• 1:28:55
  Jeff lives in Canada, dude. It's.
• 1:28:58
  Disrespectful to BKG for him being in the games that long and
• 1:29:03
  you saying a guy that's just done like 3 years.
• 1:29:05
  Yeah, but BK never won it. But this is this is the point.
• 1:29:10
  This is accomplishments. It's not, it's not how you feel,
• 1:29:15
  he. Accomplished the most important
• 1:29:16
  thing. Yeah.
• 1:29:18
  But yeah, this is where longevity, this is where
• 1:29:22
  longevity matters. In this for now because OK.
• 1:29:26
  That's fine. Has.
• 1:29:26
  Not been there enough to beat him, but I can go either way.
• 1:29:30
  I also realized that's where I don't.
• 1:29:32
  I think it's very, very tough to say.
• 1:29:37
  You can have a computer spit it out because you have to agree on
• 1:29:41
  what is important and weight those appropriately on top of it
• 1:29:48
  being in a certain era. Like, it's very like, we, I
• 1:29:53
  think we could all say we, we can put some people into
• 1:29:57
  buckets. But even then, what is
• 1:30:00
  Medeiros's two Games wins worth compared to Veldner's multiple
• 1:30:06
  podiums? Right that.
• 1:30:08
  Is. Only one person can win.
• 1:30:13
  Three people can. Two other people can podium.
• 1:30:16
  Correct for sure and. We're trying to find the fittest
• 1:30:18
  on Earth. He was the fittest on Earth
• 1:30:20
  twice. Like, yeah, only three men have
• 1:30:25
  done that. And he's sitting there.
• 1:30:27
  Down in 5th. I'm not saying the computer is
• 1:30:32
  the best all time, I'm saying this is who's done the most in
• 1:30:36
  the sport. That's it.
• 1:30:39
  I don't agree with it either. I would put Fukowski probably
• 1:30:44
  4th but you but and I wouldn't put I put Adler ahead of EKG.
• 1:30:52
  But this is. This is who has done the most in
• 1:30:55
  the sport. That is what the computer is
• 1:30:58
  tabulating. Your algorithm of what's
• 1:31:02
  important. No, it's not.
• 1:31:04
  It's not what I think is most important because Scott Pantchak
• 1:31:09
  wouldn't be there if I was what if it if it what if it's what I
• 1:31:14
  thought was most important, Winning the games would be worth
• 1:31:17
  more than like it would be a game scale almost where it's
• 1:31:21
  more important to be at the top than it is 7th.
• 1:31:25
  If it was my like, what I wanted, what I think is the most
• 1:31:28
  important, but it's it's essentially open scoring.
• 1:31:34
  What if you don't degrade the the what year you competed?
• 1:31:42
  I can do that too and then you could see the differences and I
• 1:31:46
  think y'all would agree because I the reason why I don't like
• 1:31:49
  and I will do that too so you can see the comparison.
• 1:31:52
  But the reason why I don't like that is because I think it's
• 1:31:55
  worth more to win in 2024 than 2008 and. 2008 would say that.
• 1:32:02
  I well, they're, they're better now.
• 1:32:05
  But or. Else or else Bill Russell, or
• 1:32:08
  else Bill Russell would be the greatest basketball player of
• 1:32:11
  all time. You agree with it, too.
• 1:32:13
  You just don't know it. Up to a certain point, but
• 1:32:16
  Michael is still the best and will always to me that the era
• 1:32:20
  in which he played basketball was the best era of basketball.
• 1:32:24
  And like LeBron, there's some. Relativity to it and where
• 1:32:27
  you've taken the sport or taken what you've done.
• 1:32:31
  Like you can't, you can't expect that Rich Froney would go from
• 1:32:35
  people not be able to do a rope climb to doing what Frasier did
• 1:32:40
  in one year. Frasier would not have been
• 1:32:43
  where Frasier was without Rich Froning.
• 1:32:45
  You have to give some credit to that.
• 1:32:48
  Like LeBron would not be LeBron if there wasn't Michael Jordan
• 1:32:51
  and. There is credit to that.
• 1:32:53
  Rich Froning will very likely still be second, like by the
• 1:32:57
  computer stand 'cause he. Won four times.
• 1:33:00
  Like you're not gonna well. Who are you who say somebody who
• 1:33:02
  should be higher than then you think they will be?
• 1:33:06
  Furniture should be 1 and Frazier should be #2 yeah.
• 1:33:09
  But that is your opinion. This is not.
• 1:33:11
  This is not it's. It's your.
• 1:33:13
  Your algorithm is your opinion, no?
• 1:33:15
  No it is not. I would make it differently.
• 1:33:19
  Your opinion? OK if it was if it was my
• 1:33:23
  opinion, the games would be worth 100 points and 2nd place
• 1:33:27
  would be worth 85 and then third would be worth 75 and then it
• 1:33:30
  would go down by fives from there if it was my opinion.
• 1:33:36
  Whose opinion is it? Who put the numbers in there?
• 1:33:38
  Who came up with 100 points? I.
• 1:33:40
  Thought this was the most unbiased way to do it it.
• 1:33:43
  Was inspired by God. He's from on a mission from God.
• 1:33:47
  And how would you? How would you do it?
• 1:33:51
  I don't know but you. Don't know exactly exactly you
• 1:33:54
  don't know. You don't know.
• 1:33:56
  I've not thought about it. You think what James Sprague is
• 1:34:00
  doing? No.
• 1:34:01
  Hey, algorithm. No.
• 1:34:02
  No, no. You think what James Sprague is
• 1:34:04
  done, what James Sprague did in 2024, you think what him and
• 1:34:07
  Jason, he's top. Five you think what you.
• 1:34:10
  Think wait, wait, he did in 2024 is worth the exact same as what
• 1:34:15
  Jason Khalifa did in 2008. If you think that, then that's I
• 1:34:20
  think you're so, so wrong. It would be.
• 1:34:23
  Eddie done the sledgehammer, but we'll never know.
• 1:34:27
  Do you honestly think that you think that should be worth the
• 1:34:29
  same amount of points? Yes, because Khalifa was
• 1:34:33
  competing against people in 2008.
• 1:34:35
  Every year you're going to get better.
• 1:34:37
  That's why records are broken. Like the the human advancement
• 1:34:43
  it get like our abilities get better.
• 1:34:46
  Like you can't just say, well, because Khalipa won in 2008 and
• 1:34:51
  nobody knew how to do grace quickly.
• 1:34:54
  Just, you know, he did it faster than everybody else who did
• 1:34:58
  CrossFit at the time with the skills that were available to
• 1:35:01
  people at the time. Well, I will make it at the same
• 1:35:05
  scoring scale and then the scoring scale that I thought
• 1:35:08
  would be the most unbiased. See how different and we will
• 1:35:10
  see and we will see the differences in it, OK.
• 1:35:14
  And then we can all sit down and evaluate whenever you think
• 1:35:17
  this, well, the one's better. I'm going to be like, you need
• 1:35:19
  to say you need to apologize to me on the show.
• 1:35:23
  Cannot wait. And by the way, Fraser would
• 1:35:27
  still be ahead that way. He would that's.
• 1:35:32
  Cool, that's cool. This is good.
• 1:35:40
  Is is it all right? We're moving on to some blind
• 1:35:43
  rankings because we have 21 minutes.
• 1:35:46
  It's been such a good show so far.
• 1:35:49
  Blind rankings, I forget what it was supposed to be.
• 1:35:52
  We'll figure it out here in a second together.
• 1:35:55
  John got me all flustered on guessing.
• 1:35:58
  I I do like it, John. And it's, it's funny to watch
• 1:36:01
  you go go through this because I've, I've done like, I've, I've
• 1:36:07
  tried to walk this route and it's like, it's so difficult.
• 1:36:10
  Like you have changes of format every single year.
• 1:36:14
  You have, you know, way too many athletes every single year, not
• 1:36:18
  enough athletes every other year, just different, like it's
• 1:36:21
  hard to put a number on this. And so I do appreciate you going
• 1:36:25
  through it. There's always going to be these
• 1:36:28
  arguments of what is the right algorithm.
• 1:36:31
  Yeah. That's right.
• 1:36:33
  All right, blind rankings, what are the most athletic sports?
• 1:36:41
  I'll give you a hint. AI helped me with this.
• 1:36:43
  So you want to guess AI if you want to play the game?
• 1:36:47
  OK, John, number one is football, if not of athletic
• 1:36:57
  sports, I think that's my pinnacle, if not Aussie rules
• 1:37:00
  football, but that one's lesser known.
• 1:37:01
  So I. Think hockey is really athletic,
• 1:37:04
  man. Dude, you don't.
• 1:37:05
  You don't jump in hockey. Football, but on ice.
• 1:37:10
  It's ass. What's is basketball on your
• 1:37:16
  list? Yeah, I mean, I don't have a
• 1:37:18
  list. I didn't know you were doing
• 1:37:19
  that. Well, I'm just saying if we're
• 1:37:21
  going to pick like our. We.
• 1:37:22
  Know what the number one is? Yeah.
• 1:37:24
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think basketball is up
• 1:37:26
  there. Hockey is not on the list, just
• 1:37:31
  sent down there somewhere with fishing go.
• 1:37:33
  Ahead, let's just see it. Let's hockey, I'm a Canadian
• 1:37:41
  that IQ black dragon. JY, why are you sulking?
• 1:37:45
  That's not what he didn't ask a question, he said.
• 1:37:48
  Are you sulking? No, I don't care anymore.
• 1:37:51
  Just go to the list. No, I Yeah, y'all don't even see
• 1:37:55
  it. I I put a whole bunch of days
• 1:37:57
  and weeks and hours into this. I asked them, do y'all think
• 1:38:00
  this is a good idea? They said it was.
• 1:38:02
  And then we go on here and they're going to try to trash
• 1:38:04
  it. I think it's pretty wild that
• 1:38:07
  they're that against it. Then you don't don't even let us
• 1:38:09
  do a show on it. I don't understand it.
• 1:38:12
  I don't understand it. No, Tyler, I asked y'all
• 1:38:15
  beforehand and y'all are all about it.
• 1:38:19
  I this is hard, this is hard. I do not care anymore.
• 1:38:23
  I wanted it to be the most unbiased it could be.
• 1:38:27
  And then basically y'all are like oh Nope, it's just your
• 1:38:30
  thing. And I did, and that's what I was
• 1:38:32
  trying not to do. So I thought I was literally
• 1:38:35
  trying not to do. I had Barkley poke holes in it
• 1:38:38
  and I put it, I did everything that he said that you should do
• 1:38:41
  with it. And no, I don't care anymore.
• 1:38:43
  Y'all want to be Dicks about it? Not we're.
• 1:38:45
  Not be as Dicks. Directed as I don't, I do not
• 1:38:48
  care anymore. You should push back when I
• 1:38:50
  asked you to push back. I don't care anymore.
• 1:38:55
  Let's go to the next thing. I want you to understand that
• 1:38:58
  this well, let's. Just say Tyler, let's go to the
• 1:39:00
  next thing. This is what doing peace score
• 1:39:03
  is like. Is that all of a sudden
• 1:39:05
  everybody you've never talked to has an opinion on the thing?
• 1:39:08
  This is where it all happens, dude.
• 1:39:11
  We like it. That's why we're doing this.
• 1:39:15
  I think my question on that story is that we cannot come to
• 1:39:18
  an agreement on top 10. It's not that I told you what to
• 1:39:21
  what this was about and then you're like, let's just make it
• 1:39:24
  about something different. It's like that at all.
• 1:39:28
  If you're going to say Joe Montana has more accomplishments
• 1:39:31
  than Tom Brady, you're just wrong.
• 1:39:35
  You know you're wrong, and you're being wrong on purpose
• 1:39:38
  and I don't know why. What about Dan Marino?
• 1:39:42
  Let's go to the next thing. All right, the most athletic
• 1:39:47
  sports with the assistance of AI.
• 1:39:50
  Here we go. The decathlon.
• 1:39:57
  Damn. I would say 3 it, it is tough
• 1:40:01
  because they are athletic, but there's there's some holes in
• 1:40:03
  their in their athleticism. It is.
• 1:40:06
  It's one. Of the fittest things, it's not.
• 1:40:08
  It is super athletic. I wouldn't say it's not
• 1:40:11
  athletic. I mean they throw in stuff is I
• 1:40:13
  would. Say, I don't think it's super
• 1:40:14
  athletic. Where'd you put it?
• 1:40:16
  John 3. Three, I would say.
• 1:40:19
  Three I tend to appreciate. I want.
• 1:40:26
  I want to get this out before we go on this.
• 1:40:28
  I asked them before the show, do you think this is a good idea?
• 1:40:34
  Try to poke holes in it and they were all about it.
• 1:40:39
  It's not it's not what would just happened.
• 1:40:42
  This had this conversation before the show.
• 1:40:49
  Next thing. You want to make an all time top
• 1:40:55
  25 on the spot? I don't care.
• 1:40:57
  Spend next time I'm serious. I'm going to leave the show if
• 1:41:00
  you don't keep going the next time.
• 1:41:01
  I don't care anyone. All right, Next up, MMA.
• 1:41:11
  Is that more athletic than decathlon?
• 1:41:16
  I think it might be. I would say 4.
• 1:41:28
  Larry 03 is gone, dude. Four.
• 1:41:36
  You don't think you you you think decathlons are bitter or
• 1:41:39
  bet or more athletic. I.
• 1:41:41
  Just, I just, it's more about what's coming next then do I
• 1:41:44
  think it's better than Decathlon?
• 1:41:46
  Oh. You want to save 2.
• 1:41:48
  OK. If I have to.
• 1:41:49
  Think about it like I would put the Cathlon at 4:00 at MMA at 3,
• 1:41:53
  but I just whatever's coming. Yeah, I'd agree.
• 1:41:57
  All right, Next up, Water Polo 5 5.
• 1:42:06
  Yeah, like. There's an elite swimmer and be
• 1:42:11
  just fine. Huge all.
• 1:42:14
  Right they're they're fit as hell like there there's no but
• 1:42:17
  athleticism is different than fitness to me you got.
• 1:42:19
  To throw a ball one. 100%. You got to throw a ball.
• 1:42:24
  Whilst, I mean, that's pretty impressive.
• 1:42:28
  All right, Next up, gymnastics. 22's.
• 1:42:34
  Good. Two's good something.
• 1:42:37
  This isn't the list we wanted. No, I don't think football's on
• 1:42:40
  the list. Last one, you are correct,
• 1:42:46
  football is on the list, but it's that Pedro, football,
• 1:42:51
  soccer. Yeah, I don't like this at all.
• 1:42:55
  Can I make the case? I think on this list it's good.
• 1:43:04
  I don't know, I don't like any of these.
• 1:43:07
  I. I put all these in the same boat
• 1:43:10
  as far as athleticism goes. They're all.
• 1:43:13
  Just they're all. They're all Why?
• 1:43:14
  Would you say American football is the most athletic?
• 1:43:18
  Endurance explosivity. You got to run and jump.
• 1:43:21
  Explosiveness and power. Yeah.
• 1:43:24
  What is it to be athletic? It doesn't.
• 1:43:27
  It's how high can you jump, how fast can you run?
• 1:43:31
  And they can jump the highest and run the fastest.
• 1:43:34
  Another part that's like you can't measure about athleticism,
• 1:43:37
  like you can measure how high somebody can jump, how long they
• 1:43:40
  can run, like all that stuff, how fast they can run, but you
• 1:43:43
  can't measure the mental aspect of football, which is way harder
• 1:43:48
  than every other of these sports.
• 1:43:50
  Ortega MA is explosive and powerful.
• 1:43:54
  Yeah. I I really just thinking how
• 1:43:56
  high can you jump? How fast can you run?
• 1:43:59
  How much can you lift like those?
• 1:44:01
  You know what I mean? Like.
• 1:44:03
  I think I would do on this list. Dude I don't even know what to
• 1:44:09
  do. I would say it's MMA, soccer,
• 1:44:16
  gymnastics and decathlon is tough.
• 1:44:18
  Water polo is right where it needs to they're.
• 1:44:20
  So they're so different. Yeah, I would say decathlon,
• 1:44:29
  gymnastics, soccer. MMA first, Yeah.
• 1:44:36
  MMA first. Yeah, that doesn't sound bad.
• 1:44:42
  So grok. Grok, when I put it in there, I
• 1:44:45
  actually gave it to you in the order that Grok had ranked it
• 1:44:47
  Decathlon first, MMA second, Water polo third, gymnastics
• 1:44:52
  4th, and soccer 5th. Grok's dumb as hell.
• 1:44:57
  They did not put football in because it was just too short of
• 1:45:01
  a duration of plays that they did not like that that you.
• 1:45:05
  Don't know what athleticism is if that's your answer to that to
• 1:45:07
  Croc does. Not Croc does not.
• 1:45:09
  I'm sorry. So so there you go.
• 1:45:12
  Blind rankings, athletic sports. Johnny probably liked it 'cause
• 1:45:16
  it was non CrossFit based. So.
• 1:45:21
  Hard. This was the hardest one I think
• 1:45:23
  we've ever done. We missed this one.
• 1:45:24
  Yeah. I mean, you have to think.
• 1:45:25
  You have to think a lot more with it, yeah.
• 1:45:27
  I wonder. I just wish it was traditional
• 1:45:29
  sports. It was pretty.
• 1:45:31
  Traditional. Basing it on.
• 1:45:36
  It was, yeah. I mean, it was like Decathlon
• 1:45:38
  has so many different elements. You have to be good at 10
• 1:45:41
  things. Right.
• 1:45:43
  Right. MMA you had to wrestle against
• 1:45:45
  somebody else, like hand to hand combat type thing.
• 1:45:48
  I can't remember what water polo said, but I just went with it
• 1:45:51
  because. Like rugby's athletic.
• 1:45:54
  Like rugby? Was #6 rugby was #5 until I
• 1:45:57
  added soccer, basketball, football, hockey into it.
• 1:46:01
  They didn't like the ball sports.
• 1:46:04
  Interesting. Yeah, Crocs never played some
• 1:46:06
  football. Yeah.
• 1:46:07
  I I just, yeah, I played. These are all fitness.
• 1:46:14
  These are all fitness sports. I accept gymnastics like they're
• 1:46:17
  all it's, it's just like what is the most athletic sports but
• 1:46:22
  only the cardiovascular ones like right?
• 1:46:26
  If you've played football for longer than 10 minutes, you know
• 1:46:29
  that it's the most athletic sport.
• 1:46:31
  I just think it's your definition of athleticism,
• 1:46:34
  right? Right.
• 1:46:35
  Well, and my, my rock. Has a different like how
• 1:46:37
  different that issue you? Can't look at Miles Garrett and
• 1:46:41
  say that's not an athletic guy and he would suck at all of
• 1:46:43
  these. Fair.
• 1:46:49
  All right, we're going to move on to the last one.
• 1:46:51
  John, you're going to be excited because now we're going to rank
• 1:46:53
  the women and I'm sure this. One will be better this one.
• 1:46:56
  Will be better. I know we were going to agree on
• 1:46:58
  #1. Yeah, it's undisputed
• 1:47:03
  heavyweight champ here. She's.
• 1:47:04
  In her, in her own own crown. Now the question is where does
• 1:47:08
  it come off the rails? John has to be Catherine.
• 1:47:13
  Catherine. Will be Catherine or Annie?
• 1:47:18
  I would say Catherine. John.
• 1:47:21
  I would say Catherine, but in your opinion it would be Annie.
• 1:47:25
  I, I did have Annie #2 why? Why was it Catherine over Annie?
• 1:47:31
  She was better. Why?
• 1:47:32
  I don't know what this is. I haven't done the whole list
• 1:47:35
  yet. It doesn't matter anyway.
• 1:47:36
  I don't think I'm going to do. I don't think I'm going to
• 1:47:38
  finish anyway. I think I'm just done with the
• 1:47:39
  whole thing. I hope that you are happy and
• 1:47:42
  whatever you're trying to do, I think, I think winning against a
• 1:47:46
  more fit field, winning in a more fit era is worth more than
• 1:47:50
  when Annie won. But if you want to say Annie,
• 1:47:53
  that's that's fine. Why?
• 1:47:54
  Would you say Annie? Annie got third in 2021 after a
• 1:47:58
  baby. That's pretty cool and she won
• 1:48:01
  twice. Their accomplishments are pretty
• 1:48:03
  similar. It's it's the longevity.
• 1:48:05
  Two wins, just like Catherine. Catherine's just done it against
• 1:48:10
  the harder field, but that doesn't matter.
• 1:48:14
  So you put whoever you want. I don't care, Catherine I.
• 1:48:17
  Would I would say Catherine. Well, you guys win, so I will.
• 1:48:21
  I will go with David's daughter. And then I'll say Andy.
• 1:48:26
  Speaking of. Spelled Tia but not Catherine.
• 1:48:30
  Speaking of Speaking of Annie, did you watch the podcast that
• 1:48:34
  just came out today or recently? That was pretty wild.
• 1:48:39
  The soul science thing. Yes, yeah, that was that was
• 1:48:47
  something. Is it worth watching?
• 1:48:49
  Yes. OK.
• 1:48:51
  Yeah, I would watch it. I would watch it.
• 1:48:53
  It's an hour 14. The back half isn't as
• 1:48:55
  important. Stay with us, John.
• 1:48:57
  Stay with us #4 just. Thinking.
• 1:49:00
  Thinking of names. Laura Horbath.
• 1:49:04
  Probably. It's gross.
• 1:49:08
  Who's a #2 that beats her? Sam Briggs is a good one, but I
• 1:49:13
  mean, I don't she did. She hasn't done what Laura's
• 1:49:15
  done. I would say I feel like Cara's
• 1:49:19
  got to be in up here, no? Not yet. #5 I had Sam.
• 1:49:28
  Yeah, I'm good with, I'm good with Laura and then Sam.
• 1:49:33
  Tyler, any, any complaints? I don't feel like Sam said hi.
• 1:49:41
  But there's when you go through the rest of the list, I think
• 1:49:44
  you'll be hard pressed to put somebody above Sam.
• 1:49:47
  It's kind of a hodgepodge of just people who are the.
• 1:49:49
  Women get harder because I think they're all more equal on this
• 1:49:54
  than the men. Like the men you can argue wins,
• 1:49:59
  longevity, consistency, this. It's like all the women are all
• 1:50:03
  the freaking same. Next one I have is #6 your
• 1:50:07
  favorite South African queen, Kristen Holta.
• 1:50:11
  I'm not ranking her above Cara. Yeah.
• 1:50:13
  I would probably say Cara over her.
• 1:50:15
  I had Cara 7 so I'm OK with switching those two if you guys
• 1:50:18
  are. OK, in.
• 1:50:20
  Agreement. Cara had a bunch of different,
• 1:50:24
  like, not great finishes though. Did she pull out?
• 1:50:28
  Was more consistent? Yeah.
• 1:50:31
  So let's see. Cara should have beat Tia.
• 1:50:37
  Cara Saunders was that one. I mean she went 19th, 12th, 31st
• 1:50:44
  her first three years and it was 5th, 7th, 2nd, 4th, 8th and then
• 1:50:48
  36th, 7th. That the the one right that her
• 1:50:54
  first 30 somethings she pulled out right that was when she had
• 1:50:58
  heat stroke or whatever that. Was in 21 now.
• 1:51:01
  No 24/20/14 is where she had. Yeah, 2014, yeah.
• 1:51:04
  Holta did 16/17/12, so not that dissimilar.
• 1:51:08
  She didn't have a 30th, 7th, 7th, 2nd, 6th, 4th, 11 and then
• 1:51:14
  yeah, 11th on a team. But I.
• 1:51:16
  Would say because Cara had some dominant like Holta never had
• 1:51:20
  dominating performances though. Holta like it when we start
• 1:51:25
  talking about event wins and stuff and event placements.
• 1:51:28
  Cara had more in the top than Holta did.
• 1:51:32
  Well, I don't know. I think, I think Kristen Holtzer
• 1:51:34
  probably had more event wins because she won all the
• 1:51:36
  endurance. She won all the running run
• 1:51:37
  ones, yeah. I bet they're more similar than
• 1:51:40
  you think. I bet that I bet they end up
• 1:51:42
  being really close They. Were very close actually, I
• 1:51:44
  think I had car in there that I looked up Kristen's stats and I
• 1:51:47
  was like oh OK #8 Carrie Pierce. That feels weird that she's on
• 1:51:55
  this list, yeah. I would say Carrie and then
• 1:51:57
  Sarah. God, how is Sarah?
• 1:52:02
  I do not have Sarah at my top. That's.
• 1:52:04
  Another Bo Jackson pick right there.
• 1:52:06
  Dude Sarah does some stuff though man.
• 1:52:10
  For like 2 minutes. She disappointed everybody like
• 1:52:13
  there for like 3 years. And then and then I mean.
• 1:52:17
  She was so good that anytime she shows up, everybody's like she's
• 1:52:20
  going, she's going for sure. There's just not a lot left
• 1:52:23
  though dude. Like she all.
• 1:52:26
  Right. So Sarah Sigmund's daughter,
• 1:52:29
  3rd, 3rd, 4th and then 37th, 19th, 21st.
• 1:52:33
  So three years focused. On that 3rd, 3rd, 4th like is
• 1:52:37
  there anybody else that could compare to that?
• 1:52:40
  Yes, Julie Fusche 5th, 5th, 2nd, 3rd.
• 1:52:43
  OK, so that's. A That's a recent Oh.
• 1:52:46
  There's there's four years versus 3 and then it's a harder
• 1:52:51
  era versus a softer era. Spin thinks that doesn't matter,
• 1:52:56
  so I don't care. Tyler, you can do Julie Fouche
• 1:53:00
  or you can do Sarah. I'd probably put Camille in
• 1:53:04
  there if you want to too. I know I don't want to, but
• 1:53:07
  Camille. She really only had one good
• 1:53:11
  year, but it was a great weight year.
• 1:53:13
  So I think it's in between those 3 I.
• 1:53:19
  Want to put Camille because she took the win and the others
• 1:53:23
  didn't. Yeah, I know.
• 1:53:25
  I mean, if I, if I, you know, if Camille.
• 1:53:28
  Camille went 9th, 8th, 6th, 16th, 1st, 13th, 21st, 39th,
• 1:53:33
  13th, so she had four years in the top 10.
• 1:53:37
  If it was my algorithm and I did it how I wanted to, it would
• 1:53:40
  Camille would be ahead of those girls.
• 1:53:42
  But it yeah, it wasn't. It was supposed to be unbiased.
• 1:53:45
  I thought that was very clear. Camille feels more correct to me
• 1:53:49
  than Fouchier. I'd say Camille and then Sarah,
• 1:53:53
  but if you want to put Julie, it's fine.
• 1:53:55
  I mean. That goes what's more important,
• 1:54:02
  four great years and you're done, or three great years and
• 1:54:06
  then some. That's where I start to weigh,
• 1:54:10
  to weigh wins and and placement overall because it's like not
• 1:54:14
  just not just overall, but like actual event placements.
• 1:54:23
  Yeah. But I mean you Camille made it
• 1:54:24
  almost 10 years and won versus 4 years of pretty good, not even
• 1:54:31
  podium, only podium one, but like pretty good or three years
• 1:54:35
  of of podium area, you know what I mean?
• 1:54:39
  I mean, 10 years and one win, I think that's better.
• 1:54:43
  I my, my list goes Camille Julie, but John has pointed out
• 1:54:48
  many times that I'm I'm biased towards anything that's pre 15.
• 1:54:54
  Pre pre 17. So Camille 9th and then we put
• 1:54:58
  in Sarah or Julie in you guys. Get that tie break on this.
• 1:55:02
  I didn't want this or. No, you're the tie breaker.
• 1:55:07
  You want Sarah? I have Julie.
• 1:55:09
  You have Sarah. No.
• 1:55:11
  Tyler said he wanted Julie, so just put Julie.
• 1:55:15
  Yeah, but I don't know Tyler. Tyler, Tyler, I don't care.
• 1:55:19
  I just want this to end. Like, let's put Julie.
• 1:55:21
  All right? It's good.
• 1:55:24
  I said Julie Fouche. You said Julie Fouche did.
• 1:55:28
  I win this one. Did I win?
• 1:55:31
  Yeah, you win. Well, I'll know when we compare,
• 1:55:34
  we compare to the the real results.
• 1:55:37
  No, I don't have them like this is you will at a later date.
• 1:55:40
  No, I don't think that I don't. I hope everybody has a great
• 1:55:43
  day, shows up OK. Have a good one guys.
• 1:55:51
  And he's gone. Love you, John.
• 1:55:55
  What did I miss? Well, there you go, guys.
• 1:56:01
  Let's drive mad over a pole. I don't know.
• 1:56:10
  I, I feel for him because I, I went through this with and
• 1:56:14
  that's what I was trying to say. Like dude, you know how
• 1:56:16
  aggravating it was that everybody became a mathematician
• 1:56:19
  as soon as I have been AP score or Z.
• 1:56:22
  Score. It was a better way of doing it.
• 1:56:24
  Yeah. And it's like we just you got to
• 1:56:27
  push back. You have to and it's it's the
• 1:56:30
  the fun isn't pushing back about it.
• 1:56:31
  I do like what he's trying to do.
• 1:56:36
  I don't think the problem that you're pointing out is solve.
• 1:56:39
  It is solvable or easily solvable.
• 1:56:44
  Right. No, it's it's a is it again, it
• 1:56:50
  goes back to any other debate of two different eras.
• 1:56:54
  How do you compare them? I weigh how you did in that era
• 1:57:00
  more than relative fitness, I. See in this.
• 1:57:09
  Because I guarantee we know that athletes 10th place can beat
• 1:57:14
  Rich in workouts from 2012. Like whoever finishes in 10th
• 1:57:20
  place this year can probably beat Rich in a handful of
• 1:57:23
  workouts. If you transport them and said
• 1:57:26
  do all of these same exact workouts from 20/20/12 games
• 1:57:32
  they probably beat Rich. Yeah.
• 1:57:37
  Doesn't mean that they're fitter than rich.
• 1:57:39
  So that's where I have a difference in like, it's not
• 1:57:42
  that I'm saying that John is like so biased that it's not
• 1:57:45
  fair. It's that I have a different
• 1:57:49
  opinion as to what I would like higher, higher.
• 1:57:53
  When you go to a top 10, all 20, you know, top 25 all time list.
• 1:58:00
  If you go into putting people into a Hall of Fame, it doesn't
• 1:58:04
  matter as much until you say that there's only three spots
• 1:58:09
  available and there's four people that have similar.
• 1:58:14
  Yeah, that's it. Goes back to would if if Fouche
• 1:58:19
  and Sigmund's daughter and Camille all came up and you only
• 1:58:21
  had two spots left to give it to put people into the Hall of
• 1:58:27
  Fame, you have to rank them at that point.
• 1:58:28
  It's not easy. That's the thing I think, I
• 1:58:32
  think the black, The Black Keys like protested or not protested,
• 1:58:36
  but they, they just ditched I think the Grammys or whatever it
• 1:58:39
  is for the Music Awards one year because I think it was Jackson
• 1:58:44
  Browne, but it might have been another artist.
• 1:58:47
  They were like, he should get a Grammy before we get a Grammy or
• 1:58:51
  whatever it was. It was.
• 1:58:53
  And so there's always that thing where there's this recency bias
• 1:58:57
  that happens and it's like people get skipped over.
• 1:59:01
  It's like when Journey gets into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
• 1:59:04
  when it's like 2020, it's like 2020 or something.
• 1:59:07
  When they finally got in, it was it was before that, but it's
• 1:59:11
  like, how is it they just got in that this is the thing where
• 1:59:19
  it's like it gets a little weird because technically, like I
• 1:59:24
  value things differently than John values them and you do too.
• 1:59:28
  And so there, there should be like this group, we all come up
• 1:59:32
  with our algorithms and then compare them.
• 1:59:34
  But that gets a little like no one gives a shit about four
• 1:59:37
  different algorithms all predicting the same thing.
• 1:59:40
  I like his algorithm overall, and I do think I am sympathetic
• 1:59:46
  to his argument because he is he is right.
• 1:59:48
  Like like you said, if you put Dallin in the 2012 Games, he's
• 1:59:54
  going to win, he's going to destroy everybody.
• 1:59:55
  But. Rich would not be where he was
• 2:00:02
  had Rich and Matt not been where they were at their time.
• 2:00:06
  Yes. And that that's the thing.
• 2:00:08
  Like Rich trained very obviously to beat his opponents, not to
• 2:00:15
  demolish everybody like like Frazier did.
• 2:00:18
  And that's the part where I'm like, Frazier does deserve the
• 2:00:21
  number one spot because he beats people so much.
• 2:00:24
  And that's where I differ from you is that with Peace Corps, I
• 2:00:28
  do value the fact of how dominant your performances were,
• 2:00:31
  even it within the era. But it gets tough because Rich
• 2:00:35
  didn't play that way. He just played to win, even if
• 2:00:39
  it was just barely right. So it's hard.
• 2:00:43
  It's always going to be tough. Sorry that John got his feelings
• 2:00:48
  hurt. It happens, it happens.
• 2:00:51
  We tried to kick him out multiple times.
• 2:00:53
  We keep bringing him back. So I don't know, be able to find
• 2:00:56
  Berkeley or somebody I don't know.
• 2:00:57
  I. I was I figured I wouldn't
• 2:01:02
  dropped off the show before John did, so he.
• 2:01:06
  Did a lot. He did a lot of shows today.
• 2:01:07
  So maybe he was just great. Did he?
• 2:01:10
  He did, he did. He did get with the programming.
• 2:01:12
  He went straight into around the whiteboard and then he did this
• 2:01:16
  show and who knows, he did another one.
• 2:01:17
  So got a lot going on. So I'm just kind of evidence the
• 2:01:21
  doubt. Maybe I should have backed off.
• 2:01:23
  I don't know. Yes, my back is healed, Barry.
• 2:01:26
  Back is healed. Oh, Patrick Clark for ranking
• 2:01:30
  Jason Smith #4 that's exactly who Smith was on the men's side.
• 2:01:35
  Chad McKay should have been. He was.
• 2:01:37
  Hey Jason, was he he? If you want a relative strength
• 2:01:40
  compared to Africa, Jason Smith would be #1 number one.
• 2:01:46
  Friday, Tyler is going to try to win a laptop.
• 2:01:53
  I think I I do think I got it. Oh, you think you got it?
• 2:01:57
  OK, I. Tested a little bit of it and I
• 2:02:00
  was like, yeah, I think I can do this.
• 2:02:03
  OK, so wait, hold on. I got something here.
• 2:02:14
  There it is. I.
• 2:02:15
  Figured you were going to hit the the unknown.
• 2:02:17
  Spin is correct, JY has a bias to total performance and fails
• 2:02:23
  to appreciate the challenge of the eras.
• 2:02:26
  But the donation is for the meltdown.
• 2:02:30
  Appreciate. That man.
• 2:02:31
  We've been wondering where the unknown has been, but we
• 2:02:34
  appreciate it. Thank you.
• 2:02:38
  Yeah, he does. No, I mean, I knew that I knew
• 2:02:41
  going into this when remember the the all time mountain?
• 2:02:45
  Do you remember that? Yes.
• 2:02:50
  And he put so much on to like how much better athletes today
• 2:02:57
  are than what they were in the past.
• 2:02:59
  And he put that heavily and I knew that we were going to clash
• 2:03:03
  on that. Yeah, just just didn't know it
• 2:03:06
  was going to make John leave the show.
• 2:03:09
  So anyway, it's been over 2 hours.
• 2:03:11
  You spend hours on this and you get it's, it's really
• 2:03:14
  infuriating when people put clothes in it, but it's part of
• 2:03:16
  it. You learn, you learn to deal
• 2:03:18
  with it. Bryson, what am I saying?
• 2:03:20
  That's dumb. I've said everything correct.
• 2:03:24
  It's probably the best take maybe of all time.
• 2:03:28
  Probably because John got kicked off.
• 2:03:30
  OK, Bryce, I just jump on the show.
• 2:03:35
  I have only made great points and everybody agrees with me.
• 2:03:40
  That's right, error, just nobody agreed with John.
• 2:03:43
  Friday 6 O clock Eastern Tyler's going to try to do friendly Fran
• 2:03:48
  in under 7 1/2 minutes and win himself a laptop.
• 2:03:53
  I will be there. John may or may not be there.
• 2:03:57
  Tyler will be there hopefully to try to win it.
• 2:04:00
  Brought to you by Biomax Clinic. So thank you, Biomax.
• 2:04:05
  But this show was brought to you by Lee Frazier and Frog Grips
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• 2:04:12
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• 2:04:16
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• 2:04:20
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