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Renovating on a Budget · She's On The Money

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Speaker 1: Hello.
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Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yord Order
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Speaker 2: Kerni Whalbury and a waddery woman. And before we get
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Speaker 2: started on She's on the Money podcast, I would like
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Speaker 2: to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land of which
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Speaker 2: the ancestors and the next generation coming through as this
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Speaker 2: podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and the storytelling
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Speaker 2: of you to make a difference for today and lasting
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Speaker 2: impact for tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. She's on the Money, She's on
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Speaker 1: the Money.
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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast
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Speaker 3: for millennials who want financial freedom. My name is Beckside
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Speaker 3: and I'm joined today by Victoria Divine.
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Speaker 1: Hello, little miss beck. I was just saying that you
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Speaker 1: were looking really extracute today and I feel like it's
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Speaker 1: coming across in your voice as well. That's so nice.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, You've got a vibe. That you've got a vibe.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 1: Thankes me so happy. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: So VH. I know that you are really good at
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Speaker 3: sitting budgets. I am not, so I feel like.
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Speaker 1: You thinking in the yang that's all.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so true, that's why we're here. But are
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Speaker 3: you good at keeping them? Because today on the show,
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Speaker 3: we're talking about renovating on a budget.
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Speaker 1: This is a spicy topic. If you follow me on Instagram,
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Speaker 1: you know that I have historically renovated and blown the
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Speaker 1: budget completely even though I had a really big, very
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Speaker 1: sexy spreadsheet. But after the break, we are going to
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Speaker 1: be talking about ways to save on materials and also
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Speaker 1: the importance of project managing all of the stages. But budget,
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Speaker 1: I think is a really good place to start today, Beck,
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Speaker 1: because I want you to be setting this before you
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Speaker 1: do as anything when it comes to renovating, Beck, because
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Speaker 1: I feel like when we start renovating, it's always more
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Speaker 1: expensive than you think it's going to be. So we
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Speaker 1: need to make sure that not only do we have
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Speaker 1: the funds, but we're happy to spend the amount of
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Speaker 1: funds that we are planning on allocating towards this renovation.
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Speaker 1: But we also need to make sure that there's a
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Speaker 1: good enough buffer there. Because the only thing that saved
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Speaker 1: us when we went over on our previous renovation was
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Speaker 1: the fact that we had kind of buffered in a
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Speaker 1: fair bit to make sure that everything was going to
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Speaker 1: be hunky dor and it was okay, and things happen,
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Speaker 1: they get thrown off. Course, mistakes are made, materials are
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Speaker 1: going to be more expensive than you thought, so buffet
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Speaker 1: is going to be incredibly important. I mean, I didn't
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Speaker 1: realize how much it costs to have our gas moved,
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Speaker 1: Like I just assumed it would be easy enough and
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Speaker 1: you'd get a plumber and get it all done. But
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Speaker 1: like we got stung with a few things, so we're
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Speaker 1: going to get into that. I think it's a bit
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Speaker 1: of a spicy episode, but like a really good one
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Speaker 1: because we are renovating now again and I feel like
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Speaker 1: we're doing it so much smarter this time.
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Speaker 3: Beck, Yeah, I'm really interested. Were there any like surprise
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Speaker 3: costs or like really costly mistakes that you made along
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Speaker 3: the way? This gas thing sounds like it's a vessel
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Speaker 3: that holds no content.
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Speaker 1: And I feel like people listening to this, if you
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Speaker 1: work in the industry, you're gonna be like Victoria, you
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Speaker 1: are so daft. Of course, that costs a lot of money.
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Speaker 1: It's like financial advice, right, Like I know how much
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Speaker 1: it costs, and then when I tell you, Beck, You're
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Speaker 1: like horrified. You're like, oh my gosh, how could it
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Speaker 1: be thousands of dollars? And then I start breaking it down.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, well, you know you've got the research,
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Speaker 1: you've got, the development, you've got, you know, all of
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Speaker 1: the admin support you've got, you know, all of this
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Speaker 1: other stuff that goes into it in the time and
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Speaker 1: the energy and the effort, like it's really expensive. And
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Speaker 1: then you go, oh, that makes sense, but like you
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Speaker 1: didn't know the background because you don't work in the industry.
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Speaker 1: So I guess this is just my plea please be
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Speaker 1: kind because, like I know, I'm going to sound really
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Speaker 1: dumb on this for some of the decisions that I've made,
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Speaker 1: but I'm sharing them with you and the community, Beck,
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Speaker 1: so that hopefully you don't copy me.
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Speaker 3: I think it's so lovely for you.
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Speaker 1: But moving the gas was really expect Yeah what was that?
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Speaker 2: Like?
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Speaker 1: It wasn't because it was super complicated. Like we contacted
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Speaker 1: a plumber and he said, yeap, no worries, I can
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Speaker 1: do that. But it was complicated for him to actually
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Speaker 1: do that because he needed to like extend the pipes
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Speaker 1: and move like where things were connecting, and we actually
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Speaker 1: planned when we did our renovation, I like went to
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Speaker 1: somebody who if you guys know and we won't name names,
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Speaker 1: but it didn't work out so well. They ended up
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Speaker 1: being an absolute not good human being. But what happened
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Speaker 1: was we got these beautiful designs back and I was like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm in love with them. I can't wait.
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Speaker 1: And then we took them to our plumber and our
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Speaker 1: electrician and said, hey, these are the plans, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: you okay with them? And they were like, oh, they
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Speaker 1: are you sure you want to move the plumbing and
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Speaker 1: I was like, well yeah, because like it just makes
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Speaker 1: a lot of sense to have the bathroom there connects
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Speaker 1: really nicely, Like, you know, I don't want to walk
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Speaker 1: into my bathroom and just see the toilet right there,
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Speaker 1: so like the move makes sense. And they're like, so
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Speaker 1: that will add about twenty five thousand dollars to your budget.
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Speaker 1: I would love to see the toilet right there, Like
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Speaker 1: I would actually love that. Actually, now that I look
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Speaker 1: at it again, yeah, I've actually changed my mind. So
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Speaker 1: it was interesting seeing how changes that I didn't think
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Speaker 1: were big were actually really big, and things that I
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Speaker 1: didn't think were in my budget, were actually really obtainable
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Speaker 1: because of the process that we're in. So, like something
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Speaker 1: else that I thought was really bougie that we'd never have,
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Speaker 1: right underfloor heating. Oh that sounds expensively. Yeah, so in
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Speaker 1: our bathrooms we have underfloor heating. That's glagious. That sounds
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Speaker 1: so lux right, yeah, But because we were retiling anyway,
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Speaker 1: I think it cost us like five hundred dollars to
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Speaker 1: add it. Oh, which is a lot of money. Please
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but renovating is expensive. But five
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars for the bathroom to have underfloor heating. I
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Speaker 1: was like, hold on, I thought this was going to
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Speaker 1: be thousands and thousands. And our electrician was like, no, v,
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Speaker 1: it's cheap because essentially, you're putting it in before you
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Speaker 1: put the flooring on. If you wanted to go and
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Speaker 1: put it in post, we'd have to rip up the floor,
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Speaker 1: put the underfloor heating in, and then redo the floors.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, so you're saying, if I
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Speaker 1: make this decision now, you just like lay down the
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Speaker 1: underfloor heating and then do the floorboards over at the top.
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Speaker 1: And he was like yes, And I was like this
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Speaker 1: is genius. So, don't get me wrong, that's a very
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Speaker 1: boogie addition to our house and I love it. Like Beck,
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Speaker 1: I think you and I can both agree that Melbourne
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Speaker 1: it's frigid at the moment. It is so cold, Like
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Speaker 1: I got out the other morning and I had to
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Speaker 1: pour water over my windscreen so that it would defrost
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Speaker 1: my car so I could drive to work. Like, don't
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Speaker 1: get me wrong, not a complaint, but still cold. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I walked into my bathroom and the tiles were warm.
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Speaker 1: Oh that is so that's luxury to me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really thought it was way more. And as
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Speaker 3: you say, like, it makes so much sense that if
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Speaker 3: you do it, pretile ease. You even see this in
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Speaker 3: like rich people houses.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a rich person housing and that's what
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Speaker 1: makes me feel rich. And don't get me wrong, absolute privileged. Still,
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Speaker 1: but I think that that would shock you when you
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Speaker 1: start to go, well, actually, what are things that we
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Speaker 1: could do while renovating that we might not have thought about?
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Speaker 1: And to be honest, I didn't even look into underfloor heating.
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Speaker 1: And I mean this is a very side note conversation,
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Speaker 1: but I hope it's interesting. But I didn't even look
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Speaker 1: into it because I just in my head, I was
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Speaker 1: like eight thousand dollars. I don't know why, but I
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Speaker 1: just thought that's going to be so expensive. I didn't
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Speaker 1: even explore the option. And I think that when you're
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Speaker 1: doing your budget, just explore the options and understand them,
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Speaker 1: even if you're like, oh, I'm not really sure, like
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Speaker 1: this is probably going to be completely out of budget,
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Speaker 1: because like if that electrician hadn't said, oh, are you
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Speaker 1: going to do this? And I go, absolutely not, it's
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Speaker 1: too expensive and he explained it to me, we wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have it, And had we wanted to do it post,
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been an option. So I think that
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Speaker 1: these are little things that I had no idea about,
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Speaker 1: but now I know. I'm just grateful to have gone through.
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Speaker 1: If that makes sense.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 1: So, yes, there are things in the budget that had
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Speaker 1: surprised me. Both they were too expensive or they were
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Speaker 1: much cheaper than I thought it was going to be.
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Speaker 3: Cool, like costly mistakes. Was there anything that you did
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Speaker 3: along the way that were like, oh my god, I
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Speaker 3: wish I could go back.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, there were a couple and I absolutely wasted
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Speaker 1: some money because I didn't do things properly or in
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Speaker 1: the right order, so from maybe just not thinking about
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Speaker 1: it and thinking it would be an easy change. So,
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Speaker 1: for example, I had agreed for everything in the house
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Speaker 1: to be painted, and I was like, Yep, cool, no worries,
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Speaker 1: everything's just going to be painted like this, crispy white.
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Speaker 1: I really liked it. But I hadn't really thought about
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Speaker 1: the fact that I did want to paint our bedroom
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Speaker 1: and I wanted our bedroom to be a gray, and
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Speaker 1: I just hadn't communicated that. I didn't think it would
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Speaker 1: be this big change later to go back and do it,
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Speaker 1: and ultimately I should have had that conversation. You would
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Speaker 1: think that I would have. I just don't know why
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I think because I wasn't up to the
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Speaker 1: styling part. I just thought it doesn't matter, like, just
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Speaker 1: make everything white. It'll be fine. And it basically would
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Speaker 1: have been free had I communicated that from the beginning
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Speaker 1: that the bedroom was meant to be great. Because when
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Speaker 1: they were purchasing paint, I mean I still had to
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Speaker 1: purchase it, right, They had allocated white paint for the bedroom,
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Speaker 1: and then they went and purchased the white paint for
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Speaker 1: the bedroom and painted my bedroom and it was all
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Speaker 1: within budget and scope. And then when my husband and
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Speaker 1: I did a walk through, I was like, oh, hey,
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Speaker 1: actually I was thinking about making this room gray and
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Speaker 1: they're like, I mean we can, but we're going to
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Speaker 1: have to purchase more paint and then you're going to
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Speaker 1: have to pay for the trade to come in and
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Speaker 1: paint just this room.
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Speaker 3: And I was like, right, did you end up doing it? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I did.
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Speaker 3: I did.
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Speaker 1: And by did you actually end up doing it, I
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Speaker 1: mean I purchased the paint. My dad helped me paint it.
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Speaker 1: Because the trades, Like, there are some things that you
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Speaker 1: can do yourself, Like, you don't need trades for absolutely everything.
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Speaker 1: I'm the Queen of YouTube sometimes oh yeah, if it's
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Speaker 1: a flat pack, we can do the flat packs. So
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Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, there are things that you can
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Speaker 1: definitely do yourself. And then there are also things that
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Speaker 1: I would never compromise. Beck I'm not going to do
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Speaker 1: the electrician stuff. I'm also not going to be doing
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Speaker 1: any plumbing. I'm not going to be messing around with
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Speaker 1: things that I have no business messing around with. So like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you've got to find a happy medium. Yeah, so don't
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Speaker 1: bite off more than you can chew. So like, don't
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Speaker 1: be like, oh, I can absolutely paint the entire house.
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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, you totally could, but do you
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Speaker 1: actually want to do? You know how long that was?
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Speaker 1: Ike you? So I didn't paint the entire house. I
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Speaker 1: just painted the bedroom like a whole day plus okay,
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Speaker 1: and then we had to let it dry and then
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Speaker 1: we had to do another coat the next day. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I see, So I was grateful for the painters. Also,
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Speaker 1: my dad and I with our brushes and rollers the
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Speaker 1: whole day. And then I saw them come in to
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Speaker 1: do the rest of the lound room and they had
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Speaker 1: spray guns and it took them like five minutes. And
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Speaker 1: I was like, I'll just see myself out.
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Speaker 3: You go and get yourself a spray gun.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's another course.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
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Speaker 1: That's true. So I think it's important to not just
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Speaker 1: budget but think about every tiny little thing that you
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Speaker 1: think is maybe little, because it might not be that
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Speaker 1: the brand.
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Speaker 3: Scheme of things, and even if it is, it really
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Speaker 3: does that up. But v as you know, I've never owned,
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Speaker 3: I've kind of only been in rentals, so it's always
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Speaker 3: been about like making like cosmetic changes to personal space.
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Speaker 3: Is it worth thinking about just making like cosmetic change
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Speaker 3: to a house or do you feel like if you
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Speaker 3: have the money to renovate, you should. I guess if
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Speaker 3: you're like me and you've only ever rented, is it
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Speaker 3: a waste of space to be hanging artwork like chucking
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Speaker 3: some nails?
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Speaker 1: You're allowed? Yeah, I definitely believe in making a space
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Speaker 1: your own. So even if you don't own, there are
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Speaker 1: lots of things that you can do that don't damage
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Speaker 1: the property to make the space your own. Like, please
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. You don't want to be going, oh,
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Speaker 1: I really don't like this kitchen. I'm going to install
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Speaker 1: a brand new kitchen in this rental property because that
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Speaker 1: doesn't make a lot of sense. But you've got to
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Speaker 1: remember that this is your home, Like you've got to
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Speaker 1: feel comfortable coming into it, and if there's something about
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Speaker 1: your home that you're not comfortable with, I would be
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Speaker 1: looking at ways to change it or ways to make
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Speaker 1: yourself comfortable with it. Right, So, like, whether that is
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Speaker 1: hanging art on the walls, maybe you're not allowed to,
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Speaker 1: you know, nail things into the walls, but could you
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Speaker 1: call the real estate agent and go, hey, Can I
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Speaker 1: use those command strips and put some artwork up? Can I,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe get one of those pressure rods and
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Speaker 1: I can put up some beautiful curtains. If that's something
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Speaker 1: that you know, it adds to the vibe of your space.
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Speaker 1: So I think there's lots you can do that are
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Speaker 1: not necessarily permanent changes if you're renting to make your
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Speaker 1: space your own. And don't get me wrong, they're things
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Speaker 1: that you're going to spend money on, but like, to me,
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Speaker 1: that's spending money in order to benefit your mental health.
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Speaker 1: Like you.
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Speaker 3: That's like true.
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Speaker 1: Do you want to feel like super comfy in your
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Speaker 1: own bedroom even if you're in a big sharehouse, like
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Speaker 1: adding a few little things, or maybe you've got dank carpets,
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Speaker 1: Like I remember my first sharehouse back like they'd redone
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Speaker 1: the carpets and there were those ones you could see
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Speaker 1: the edges of the squares. They'd like done those tiles.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 1: I just remember thinking it was so dank because they
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Speaker 1: were like so thin. Like the carpet was awful. And
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Speaker 1: I went to Ikia and I think I just bought
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Speaker 1: like a fifty dollar rug. It honestly changed the way
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Speaker 1: I felt about my bedroom because before it just felt
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Speaker 1: ick to be on the carpet and also, well, I
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Speaker 1: don't afford anything else, like it's not going to happen.
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Speaker 1: But this rug changed my space. So can you do
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Speaker 1: to make yourself feel comfortable in it? And I mean,
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Speaker 1: we are definitely talking about knockdown, rebuild, actual renovation today,
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Speaker 1: but I think it's also worth acknowledging that to me,
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Speaker 1: that was an investment into my mental health, into me
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Speaker 1: having a safe and cozy space that I just felt
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Speaker 1: at home in.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's also relevant for people who
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Speaker 3: have moved into a house can't afford to renovate exactly
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Speaker 3: the same.
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Speaker 1: There's so many cheap tips and tricks and stuff that
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Speaker 1: you can.
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Speaker 3: Do to make the space cozy, even if you're not
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Speaker 3: loving it yet and you feel like you have intention
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Speaker 3: of changing it, just put your coziness your mental health.
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Speaker 1: First, one hundred percent. It's like the time that I
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Speaker 1: went and bought a pantry, because like the house that
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Speaker 1: I moved into, the one I'm talking about with the
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Speaker 1: carpet squares, had the worst kitchen storage, like dank kitchen
14:02
Speaker 1: cabinets were falling off, like they were also really water damaged,
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Speaker 1: like you know those ones where the male of mine
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Speaker 1: is like real puffed out. So the kitchen was horrendous,
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Speaker 1: Beck and I just went and bought on Facebook marketplace
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Speaker 1: a used pantry and put it in the corner. Changed
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Speaker 1: the way we used our kitchen.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So there are things that you can do that
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Speaker 1: you think, oh, I didn't even know you could buy
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Speaker 1: a pantry. There. I'm like, yes, you can buy a pantry,
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Speaker 1: Like you can put it all together, Like you could
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Speaker 1: go down to Bunnings and buy one of those flat
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Speaker 1: pack pantrees, or you could buy one of the shelving
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Speaker 1: cabinets so everyone has a space for all their cereals
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Speaker 1: and stuff, because otherwise the cupbods get packed. There are
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Speaker 1: lots of things you can do in a rental that
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Speaker 1: don't damage the property, that add value to your life.
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Speaker 3: I think, yes, I totally agree. And you don't even
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Speaker 3: realize when things are clotted, it really makes your brain
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Speaker 3: feel clutter. You don't really get work done as well
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Speaker 3: as you exactly if your cereals were on their own shelf.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and if you're me, you need a container
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Speaker 1: for your cereal and then you feel like your life
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Speaker 1: is like made. That's people who have their dry goods
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Speaker 1: in containers. I just think they've got their life together.
15:05
Speaker 1: It might not be true, but like, if you've got
15:07
Speaker 1: a jaffa flower, Oh my gosh, are you saying that,
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Speaker 1: you don't crumple the top of the paper and just
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Speaker 1: shove it in the back of the pantry. Get an
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Speaker 1: old rubber buet.
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Speaker 3: I really really admire people to do that. This is
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Speaker 3: kind of like going back to what you're saying about DIY.
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Speaker 3: So it's obviously a good way to save but are
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Speaker 3: there any like caveats?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you need to be really really stick
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Speaker 1: about what is achievable for you. So obviously, can you
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Speaker 1: paint your own house, as I was saying before, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you probably could, But is it a good use of
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Speaker 1: your time and your patience and the relationship that you
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Speaker 1: have with your dad? Thankfully, my dad and I are
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Speaker 1: still on good terms. But like, that was such fiddly
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Speaker 1: work that I didn't even think about. And I'm very,
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Speaker 1: very privileged to have a dad that is basically the
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Speaker 1: DIY king. So he was an accountant, as everybody knows
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Speaker 1: because I've mentioned it before on the pod, but he
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Speaker 1: basically built our entire house. He should have been a
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Speaker 1: bill but he ended up an accountant, so he knows
16:02
Speaker 1: what he's doing when it comes to painting. And I
16:04
Speaker 1: don't like taking direction from other people. Beck That's why
16:08
Speaker 1: I ended up being a business owner, not an employee,
16:11
Speaker 1: because I think that to be thirty two, I probably
16:14
Speaker 1: would have been fired a number of times along the
16:17
Speaker 1: way had this been you know, my reality. But you know,
16:21
Speaker 1: Dad going all right, so we have to cut in,
16:23
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what's cutting in? He's like, well, you've
16:25
Speaker 1: got to like paint around the edges so that they're
16:27
Speaker 1: like really crispy and nice, and then you paint the middle.
16:30
Speaker 1: And I was like, can't you just paint the whole thing.
16:32
Speaker 1: He's like no, then it would really look like you
16:34
Speaker 1: did a diy job. And I was like, Okay, no worry.
16:36
Speaker 1: So like, you've got to do it properly and that
16:38
Speaker 1: takes time and energy and effort, and I would have
16:41
Speaker 1: a think about is there another job in the list
16:43
Speaker 1: that you can or you want to do? So, for example,
16:47
Speaker 1: we have put a new kitchen in our house, which
16:49
Speaker 1: is really exciting, and we got a quote to demo it,
16:53
Speaker 1: and my husband and I were like, absolutely not. So
16:56
Speaker 1: we spent a weekend and we had a little bit
16:58
Speaker 1: of a working be with my family, and his dad
17:00
Speaker 1: came down and we demoed it ourselves. To be honest,
17:03
Speaker 1: it was so expensive to have it demoed, and I
17:06
Speaker 1: was like, what's the worst that could go wrong? Please,
17:09
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, Like we didn't want to mess
17:12
Speaker 1: around with the like gas or the electricity or whatever,
17:14
Speaker 1: and we cut the power off first. We did it properly,
17:16
Speaker 1: but like, I can pull out the kitchen, because what's
17:18
Speaker 1: the worst that can happen? I break the kitchen that
17:20
Speaker 1: we're already getting rid of.
17:22
Speaker 3: So just a silly question.
17:23
Speaker 1: But demo is demolish, demolishing it. So for me, pulling
17:27
Speaker 1: out the old kitchen made the most sense to us
17:29
Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm not paying somebody else thousands
17:31
Speaker 1: of dollars to do a job that, to be honest,
17:34
Speaker 1: was just a lot of hard work. To me, it
17:36
Speaker 1: wasn't about skill. It was literally about getting it out
17:39
Speaker 1: and having to carry the kitchen downstairs would be kind
17:41
Speaker 1: of fun, like for the first part, Like, it wasn't
17:44
Speaker 1: fun when I was doing all the fi lily bits
17:46
Speaker 1: and like, you know, unscrewing things. I was like, because
17:48
Speaker 1: we did try and save a lot of the kitchen.
17:50
Speaker 1: In fact, that's a side tip. We listed the kitchen
17:53
Speaker 1: on Facebook marketplace because I did like to go to waste.
17:57
Speaker 1: Like at the end of the day. It was a
17:58
Speaker 1: very damaged, old water damaged kitchen that needed to go
18:02
Speaker 1: because it's been in the cow since what the early eighties,
18:05
Speaker 1: Like she had had her time, but some guy came
18:09
Speaker 1: and picked it up. We listed it for free on
18:10
Speaker 1: Facebook marketplace and he was like, I'm fitting out my
18:13
Speaker 1: workshop with this, And I was like, Oh, what a
18:15
Speaker 1: good way to use it, because it's not going to
18:17
Speaker 1: be wasted. You're going to fit out your workshop and
18:19
Speaker 1: your tools are going to live in it.
18:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's probably going to take it apart himself.
18:23
Speaker 3: I assume you have to. I mean we pulled it.
18:25
Speaker 1: All out because we had deadlines. But yes, you can
18:27
Speaker 1: also tell people that they have to take it out
18:29
Speaker 1: too if you really want.
18:31
Speaker 3: That's so that's a money win, right. Did you sis
18:33
Speaker 3: a kick anything? What's it called when you like run
18:35
Speaker 3: and then you put your legs up to kick something?
18:37
Speaker 1: Oh?
18:38
Speaker 3: Is that a siss a kick?
18:39
Speaker 1: I didn't seiss a kick anything, So it was like
18:41
Speaker 1: a whole kitchen. Yeah, it's like I mean, if it
18:44
Speaker 1: was like a plaster board wall, maybe we would have
18:46
Speaker 1: had a crack, but like it was like melamine. I
18:49
Speaker 1: don't trust my skill. Also, I mentioned flat packs before
18:53
Speaker 1: because I've used them a lot historically, but so many
18:56
Speaker 1: of them are made so well. Now, in fact, we
18:59
Speaker 1: went with a flat pack kitchen from Kaboodle. Like I'll
19:02
Speaker 1: upload some videos to Instagram and show you, but the
19:06
Speaker 1: quality of the Kaboodle kitchen, the quality is honestly on
19:11
Speaker 1: part if not better than. And that's not me even
19:13
Speaker 1: being dramatic because they're sponsoring this episode. This is just
19:16
Speaker 1: me being like this was actually sick beck is better
19:20
Speaker 1: than the kitchen that we had installed in our primary residence.
19:23
Speaker 1: Like I was actually a little bit frustrated, Like yeah,
19:28
Speaker 1: I was like is this a joke? Like this is
19:30
Speaker 1: so good, Like why didn't we just put this in
19:33
Speaker 1: our other house?
19:33
Speaker 3: Like we would have saved literally thousands of dollars.
19:36
Speaker 1: Anyway, I will upload videos because even like the draw runners,
19:39
Speaker 1: like you know those fancy like soft clothes, we don't
19:43
Speaker 1: have that in our actual house because it was too expensive.
19:46
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, like that upgrade's not worth it, Like,
19:49
Speaker 1: no worries, It's just an automatic feature in my kaboodle kitchen,
19:53
Speaker 1: and it was so much cheaper, you know when you
19:55
Speaker 1: just like, I'm not even trying to brag about them
19:57
Speaker 1: because we're working with them. I'm just really upset.
20:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, kicking yourself a little bit.
20:02
Speaker 2: I know.
20:02
Speaker 1: So obviously I feel like flat packs have come a
20:05
Speaker 1: really long way because these are beautiful. They're also designed
20:09
Speaker 1: to be user friendly, Like I mean, my relationship with
20:12
Speaker 1: my dad's still intact and we put some together. So
20:15
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good deal. That is huge, and they
20:17
Speaker 1: obviously have a really big range of options for whole
20:20
Speaker 1: heaps of different price points. So the question of v
20:23
Speaker 1: did you go with the cheapest option, No, we didn't.
20:26
Speaker 1: We went with like I would say, the very middle
20:29
Speaker 1: definitely a budget kitchen in comparison to like, you know,
20:32
Speaker 1: everything else we could have done. But we definitely did
20:35
Speaker 1: a few upgrades, so like instead of just having the
20:37
Speaker 1: playing cupboard doors, we went with the ones with the
20:39
Speaker 1: cute like you know, outlines on the edges. Yeah, and
20:43
Speaker 1: made things a little bit cuter, which obviously adds a
20:45
Speaker 1: little bit of price to it, but it was definitely
20:48
Speaker 1: worth it. Like, it's definitely something that I'm like, I'm
20:51
Speaker 1: really glad with the decisions that we made. And I mean,
20:53
Speaker 1: to my other very important point that I made earlier,
20:56
Speaker 1: one thing that we did do that wasn't DIY is
21:00
Speaker 1: paying professionals to do things that we can't do. So
21:03
Speaker 1: obviously I paid for an electrician and I paid for
21:06
Speaker 1: a plumber because that's not something that you should ever
21:08
Speaker 1: play with. But it's also something that you don't want
21:10
Speaker 1: to mess up because imagine being like, you know what
21:13
Speaker 1: I can do my own plumbing, You're going to ruin
21:15
Speaker 1: your whole kitchen. If it went wrong, that's own electricity.
21:18
Speaker 1: You're probably going to kill yourself. Like that's not a
21:21
Speaker 1: good idea. Endure it exactly. And I just feel like
21:24
Speaker 1: that's where you should be spending money. But if you're
21:26
Speaker 1: going to spend money on trades like that, do what
21:29
Speaker 1: I did. Shop around. We got a few different quotes
21:32
Speaker 1: before settling on the electricians, and you know, the trades
21:35
Speaker 1: that we wanted to work with, because I really just
21:37
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that we were working with people
21:40
Speaker 1: who weren't taking advantage. Yes, and I don't think anyone
21:43
Speaker 1: that we got quotes from was, but I feel like
21:45
Speaker 1: I've heard so many stories recently of trades being absolutely
21:49
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with work that they're overquoting and just being like, well,
21:52
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it unless you pay me triple and
21:54
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and then you think that that's the
21:56
Speaker 1: norm and that's not it. So I feel like, yeah,
21:59
Speaker 1: trades really good if you've got friends who are renovated,
22:02
Speaker 1: like ask them for recommendations. If you don't have recommendations.
22:05
Speaker 1: Local Facebook groups are really good for being like, hey,
22:08
Speaker 1: can anyone recommend like a sparky in my area? And
22:12
Speaker 1: they usually go, oh, yeah, my husband does it, and
22:14
Speaker 1: then you can like look them up and see what
22:15
Speaker 1: their reviews are like, which is really helpful.
22:17
Speaker 3: Yes, so true. Even like, just tell everyone you've ever
22:20
Speaker 3: run into in your entire life about what you're doing,
22:22
Speaker 3: because there'll be someone who says, I've got a friend
22:25
Speaker 3: who does this, I've got a friend who does.
22:26
Speaker 1: That exactly and post on Instagram. On Instagram, don't get
22:29
Speaker 1: me wrong, even if you have like three hundred followers,
22:32
Speaker 1: someone's gonna see and be like, oh, actually I did this,
22:35
Speaker 1: or I've got a mate who does this, Like yeah,
22:36
Speaker 1: ask for recommendations, like I feel like that's the best
22:40
Speaker 1: way to get anything totally.
22:42
Speaker 3: You need someone who's a real person who actually has
22:44
Speaker 3: experience with the same thing to tell you what their
22:46
Speaker 3: experience is. Like, it's the best way to do it
22:49
Speaker 3: just word of mouth.
22:49
Speaker 1: So from my perspective, get some rough quotes before you
22:52
Speaker 1: even purchase the kitchen or before you actually do anything,
22:56
Speaker 1: because I think in our heads we go, all right,
22:59
Speaker 1: we want to do this renovation, and I've done some googling,
23:02
Speaker 1: and you know it's going to cost ABC and D.
23:05
Speaker 1: Call the electrician, call the sparky, explain what you're doing,
23:09
Speaker 1: and go, hey, can you give me a rough estimate?
23:11
Speaker 1: Just budgeting it all together? Like really want to use
23:14
Speaker 1: you because one of the things that we got told
23:17
Speaker 1: and in my head this made sense. Right, So we've
23:19
Speaker 1: demoed the kitchen back. Our floors need resanding and repolishing
23:24
Speaker 1: because they were dank. Oh, upload a photo and I'll
23:26
Speaker 1: show your photo after this of the floors. They're a
23:28
Speaker 1: completely different color now because of how old they were.
23:32
Speaker 1: Like the house that we're renovating is from the late
23:34
Speaker 1: sixties and they're the same floorboards. Quite clearly they'd never
23:38
Speaker 1: been resealed. The celant had worn off, and then they
23:41
Speaker 1: were completely water damaged, dirt like disgusting. They've gone from
23:45
Speaker 1: basically being a dark dark brown, which I thought, Okay,
23:48
Speaker 1: we'll just reseal them. That brown's not too bad to
23:51
Speaker 1: like a light beech wood. And I was shook. But
23:54
Speaker 1: in my head, what happens is you remove the kitchen,
23:57
Speaker 1: then you do the floors, and then you put the
23:59
Speaker 1: brand your kitchen on top.
24:00
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, no, what do you mean?
24:02
Speaker 1: Well that's what I thought. And when I called the
24:05
Speaker 1: electrician and was like, yeah, I need you to like
24:07
Speaker 1: change the power here and here, and we've got the
24:09
Speaker 1: sanders coming on this day. He's like, why are you
24:11
Speaker 1: doing the floors? I said, well, we've got the kitchen
24:14
Speaker 1: to then install on top. He's like, no, absolutely not.
24:17
Speaker 1: Do not polish your brand new flaws and then have
24:20
Speaker 1: a whole heap of like trade going in and out.
24:23
Speaker 1: Your floors are going to get dinted, they're going to
24:25
Speaker 1: get damaged. You know, do a light sand install your
24:28
Speaker 1: kitchen and then get them to do the floors around
24:31
Speaker 1: the kitchen. Oh that makes sense, doesn't it. But I
24:34
Speaker 1: didn't know that. So having these conversations before you actually
24:38
Speaker 1: do anything I think is really helpful.
24:40
Speaker 3: In my mind, I was like, what is it floating?
24:42
Speaker 2: No?
24:42
Speaker 1: No, no, we just didn't put the kickboards in at
24:44
Speaker 1: the bottom, which was really easy to do because we
24:46
Speaker 1: can install them later. But they're going to come in.
24:49
Speaker 1: They're going to do the floors because we're paying a
24:50
Speaker 1: professional to do that. I do not trust myself to
24:53
Speaker 1: do the floors. We can do the kitchen, we can't
24:55
Speaker 1: do the floors, and then we will install the kickboards
24:57
Speaker 1: after the floors have been properly sealed. But he was like,
24:59
Speaker 1: you know, not going to drag flat pack boxes up
25:02
Speaker 1: and down those stairs and then across your floorboards exactly.
25:07
Speaker 1: He's like you're gonna get gougers, You're gonna get scratches.
25:09
Speaker 1: He's like you're gonna get glue and stuff like from
25:12
Speaker 1: all the tiling on the floor. Like, just don't do it.
25:14
Speaker 1: And I was like, I wish I had you earlier. Yeah,
25:17
Speaker 1: I mean I did this time. But when you're getting
25:20
Speaker 1: your budget together, it's kind of like a budget slash
25:22
Speaker 1: project plan. So you're not only making a plan for
25:25
Speaker 1: like what you have to pay for sure, but like
25:27
Speaker 1: you're making a plan for when that process goes in
25:30
Speaker 1: because it's one thing to go. I can afford it. Okay,
25:32
Speaker 1: but when are the trades available? Is the trade that
25:35
Speaker 1: you want not available for another month? What does that
25:39
Speaker 1: look like? Because for us, we got a couple of quotes,
25:42
Speaker 1: and the quotes were not only like you know, here
25:44
Speaker 1: are the different price points, but they were also like, oh,
25:47
Speaker 1: we booked out for three months so we could do
25:48
Speaker 1: it here. And I was like, oh, you are cheaper,
25:51
Speaker 1: but it's not worth waiting because I need to get
25:53
Speaker 1: this done sooner rather than later. Yes, that makes sense.
25:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
25:56
Speaker 1: Okay.
25:57
Speaker 3: I think I need to go to Google kickboards and
25:59
Speaker 3: maybe like practice my sissy kick Yeah, okay, kickboards are
26:02
Speaker 3: not what you're expecting. Okay, given you have just said, Sizzy,
26:06
Speaker 3: keep explain a kickboard.
26:08
Speaker 1: To you in the break, and then when we get back,
26:10
Speaker 1: we're going to have a deeper chat about budgets and
26:12
Speaker 1: materials in all of that fun renovating.
26:15
Speaker 3: Stuff fun see soon. Welcome back everyone, and we're talking
26:21
Speaker 3: about renovation on a budget with someone who has just
26:24
Speaker 3: been through this. Victoria Devine, Hello, that's me. I want
26:28
Speaker 3: to talk materials now. How can we save here?
26:30
Speaker 1: All right? So I feel like I've done a really
26:33
Speaker 1: good job this time of like keeping everything within budget. Obviously,
26:37
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you to always shop around for
26:40
Speaker 1: discounts and like codes or price matching. Often brands won't
26:45
Speaker 1: advertise that they do price matching, so I will like
26:48
Speaker 1: google the brand and then price matching and see what
26:51
Speaker 1: comes up on their website. Because often you'll find their
26:54
Speaker 1: terms and conditions and they'll say we do price match
26:57
Speaker 1: And then some brands even do like price beat, like
27:00
Speaker 1: you know Bunnings. They obviously say we'll beat it by
27:03
Speaker 1: five percent. That's a money win. Yeah, you hold them
27:06
Speaker 1: to that. I see them like, I think it's really
27:08
Speaker 1: important to have a little bit of conviction around keeping
27:11
Speaker 1: to your budget and it can really save you. The
27:14
Speaker 1: one thing I would do is look around it recycled
27:16
Speaker 1: or leftover materials. So I know that that sounds a
27:20
Speaker 1: bit lame, but we have in our kitchen that we're
27:23
Speaker 1: renovating a very small patch for where we want tiles right,
27:27
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, what am I
27:30
Speaker 1: going to do. I got some quotes for some tiles
27:33
Speaker 1: and it was really expensive. I didn't realize how expensive
27:35
Speaker 1: they were, and I was like, I don't know this
27:37
Speaker 1: is meant to be a budget renovation, Like I don't
27:38
Speaker 1: want to go buy bougie tiles. But then obviously, Beck,
27:42
Speaker 1: if you met me, like you show me a cheap
27:45
Speaker 1: option and a bougie option, and somehow I will always go,
27:49
Speaker 1: I want the boogie option, even if you haven't told
27:51
Speaker 1: me the price points, Like I'll just immediately look at
27:53
Speaker 1: it and be like, well, that's the one I like,
27:54
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's the first expensive have it I have? Anyway,
27:59
Speaker 1: I found some tiles on Facebook Marketplace that were left
28:02
Speaker 1: over from a renovation. I had to do some calculations
28:05
Speaker 1: to work out because they had said how many tiles
28:07
Speaker 1: they had, and I found the tiles that I wanted
28:11
Speaker 1: from tile Cloud on Facebook Marketplace.
28:13
Speaker 3: Oh that's so paff and it was enough and enough.
28:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, it covers the whole space. And I mean, I'm
28:19
Speaker 1: going to have to go buy the grout and stuff,
28:20
Speaker 1: but that's something that I'm going to do myself because
28:22
Speaker 1: it's such a small spot in our kitchen that I
28:25
Speaker 1: think will work really well. So have a look on
28:27
Speaker 1: Facebook Marketplace because so often people buy more of what
28:31
Speaker 1: they needed because they're like, I don't know, obviously, rolling
28:35
Speaker 1: in money, and they're like, oh, I'll just get extra
28:37
Speaker 1: tiles that I don't need, but they pop them on
28:40
Speaker 1: Facebook Marketplace. It's like how I put our kitchen on
28:43
Speaker 1: Facebook Marketplace and got rid of it. Yes, and I
28:45
Speaker 1: mean obviously massive shout out to like Facebook Marketplace and
28:48
Speaker 1: gum Tree in general, because you can save a whole
28:51
Speaker 1: heap of money. The other thing I did beck was
28:54
Speaker 1: I needed new appliances, so the appliances that were in
28:58
Speaker 1: our kitchen were not savable still using the same fridge
29:01
Speaker 1: that we had, but I needed to purchase a new
29:04
Speaker 1: gas cook top because ours was cooked in the punt
29:07
Speaker 1: and an oven and a gas cook top. I think
29:10
Speaker 1: we ended up spending about twelve hundred dollars on it,
29:13
Speaker 1: which was a lot more than I thought that they were,
29:15
Speaker 1: but like that's how renovation goes. You end up realizing
29:18
Speaker 1: that things are so much more expensive than you'd anticipated.
29:22
Speaker 1: I was like wanting this really nice looking oven to
29:25
Speaker 1: go under it, and it was like three thousand dollars back. Like,
29:28
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, you can get cheaper ovens, but
29:31
Speaker 1: I found one online from a company that does refurbished ovens,
29:35
Speaker 1: and it cost me six hundred and fifty bucks.
29:37
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so good.
29:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we just picked it up who was in Frankston,
29:41
Speaker 1: which was close. I mean Frankston. Is that a red
29:44
Speaker 1: flag buying secondhand things there? I don't know. I did it.
29:47
Speaker 1: It's coming up to me. The price was worth it.
29:50
Speaker 1: I had sent it to my sparky first and said
29:52
Speaker 1: do you have any concerns and he'd actually said NAHVI,
29:55
Speaker 1: like they're actually really good. They just refurbished things that
29:58
Speaker 1: have been pulled out of display homes. And I was like, okay,
30:01
Speaker 1: so you're telling me that this hasn't been used at all,
30:03
Speaker 1: like great. So it ended up costing me six hundred
30:06
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars for our oven instead of like close
30:09
Speaker 1: to three thousand. So like shop around and like I
30:13
Speaker 1: think that people often assume I'm buying a secondhand oven.
30:17
Speaker 1: Well you might think that that means it's like one
30:19
Speaker 1: that someone's used a million times and it's not that good,
30:22
Speaker 1: so you don't even explore the option. This oven does
30:25
Speaker 1: not even look like it's been used right, like brand
30:28
Speaker 1: new basically, And I mean disclaimer, I don't get the
30:31
Speaker 1: warranty that would have gone with it, given I'm saving
30:34
Speaker 1: so much money, and it costs me six hundred and
30:36
Speaker 1: fifty dollars. I was really happy to, you know, take
30:38
Speaker 1: that risk absolutely, and it's being installed professionally, so we're
30:42
Speaker 1: getting all of these things. He's installing it, like, I'm
30:45
Speaker 1: not doing that on my own, but I did source
30:47
Speaker 1: something that was much cheaper. The other thing I wanted
30:49
Speaker 1: to say was look at revamping the materials that you
30:52
Speaker 1: already have in your home. So like flooring is a
30:54
Speaker 1: really good example. Do you hate the carpet, rip it up?
30:57
Speaker 1: See what's underneath there? Like, don't get me wrong, don't
30:59
Speaker 1: rip it up if you can't afford to replace the carpet,
31:02
Speaker 1: But are there floorboards under there that could be polished up?
31:05
Speaker 1: If you looked at my floors beck before we had
31:08
Speaker 1: resanded them, you would have been like, well, via you
31:11
Speaker 1: getting new floorboards put down, because those are awful. And
31:13
Speaker 1: we genuinely had to consider that as an option because
31:17
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure how they would come up. But we
31:20
Speaker 1: got a good flooring guy in. Again, we got a
31:22
Speaker 1: couple of quotes before settling on one flooring guy, and
31:25
Speaker 1: he came in and said, yeah, you're right, there is
31:27
Speaker 1: a fair bit of damage here. But I can just
31:30
Speaker 1: replace those boards and then we can sand everything and
31:33
Speaker 1: it'll look great.
31:34
Speaker 3: I was like, a great idea, but I.
31:35
Speaker 1: Think it's really important to not just jump to get
31:38
Speaker 1: Oh that's absolutely cooked. We're going to have to replace it.
31:41
Speaker 1: And now once we've sanded it, we're actually able to
31:43
Speaker 1: get a color that I like even more than what
31:45
Speaker 1: I thought we were working within. So that's a money win,
31:48
Speaker 1: I think. Because to replace the floorboards in our house,
31:51
Speaker 1: I did get a quote for that too because I
31:53
Speaker 1: wanted to be able to share it. It was going
31:55
Speaker 1: to be about eleven and a half thousand dollars. Oh
31:58
Speaker 1: my godness, to be so much. Yeah, So to get
32:02
Speaker 1: the upstairs of our house re floorboarded, the quote was
32:06
Speaker 1: eleven grand. That was including installation, just to be really clear,
32:10
Speaker 1: but to have them standed back and re polished, it's
32:13
Speaker 1: going to cost us two thousand dollars and that includes
32:17
Speaker 1: the floorboards that he's fixing, and he's charging me two
32:20
Speaker 1: hundred dollars per floorboard, which is obviously a lot for
32:23
Speaker 1: a piece of wood, but it's like him sourcing wood
32:25
Speaker 1: that matches and then like installing it. So I think
32:27
Speaker 1: that that's a pretty sure deal, but like two grand
32:29
Speaker 1: versus eleven and a half, like, be for real. That's
32:32
Speaker 1: a really good saving. Be for real. I think it's
32:36
Speaker 1: also important as well, because my husband and I were
32:38
Speaker 1: so certain that we were going to have to put
32:40
Speaker 1: different floorboards over the top, but we said, you know what,
32:43
Speaker 1: we should just get the flooring guy that does the
32:45
Speaker 1: standing and stuff out to look at them first and
32:48
Speaker 1: do a bit of a test before we pulled the
32:49
Speaker 1: trigger on that. And we're really glad that we did.
32:51
Speaker 3: That's so good. Did you have any lino in there?
32:53
Speaker 1: There was lino. It had been pulled out before we
32:57
Speaker 1: moved in, but the adhesive from the liner was still
33:00
Speaker 1: on our floors. So like when I say it was bad, beck,
33:04
Speaker 1: like that's how bad it was, Like the adhesive lines
33:07
Speaker 1: and all the glue marks were still there, like no
33:09
Speaker 1: one had cleaned it up. They'd just like ripped out
33:11
Speaker 1: the lino and been like, oh it's good now. It
33:15
Speaker 1: was not good, bad, and it's not good. And I
33:17
Speaker 1: think the other thing that really annoyed me about it
33:20
Speaker 1: is the flaws just consistently felt dirty. Yeah, because like
33:23
Speaker 1: you're just looking at glue and adhesive and like all
33:26
Speaker 1: of the little bits of stuff that had stuck to
33:28
Speaker 1: the adhesive over the years made it look black. It
33:30
Speaker 1: was horrendous.
33:31
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, lino is no good for anyone.
33:33
Speaker 1: No rip out.
33:34
Speaker 2: You lie.
33:35
Speaker 1: I know there's probably floorboards under there, because that's what
33:37
Speaker 1: the Boomers did. They put the lino down.
33:39
Speaker 3: Why they do that?
33:40
Speaker 1: I don't know why they did that. You ask them,
33:42
Speaker 1: not me. But anyway, I think that having a think
33:46
Speaker 1: about every option and actually exploring it a bit, even
33:49
Speaker 1: if you don't think it's the one for you, could
33:51
Speaker 1: end up saving you a whole heap of money. So
33:53
Speaker 1: you're not spending money to get opinions. You're spending money
33:57
Speaker 1: when you really have an outcome that makes sense for you.
34:00
Speaker 1: Do you know how upset I would have been if
34:01
Speaker 1: we had installed the floorboards, because, like Beck, you and
34:05
Speaker 1: I both know, if I had gone and gotten a
34:06
Speaker 1: quote from a dude who installs floorboards, and he came
34:09
Speaker 1: to my house and he's like, yeah, cool, like I'll
34:12
Speaker 1: give you this quote, which he did. He didn't mention
34:14
Speaker 1: that we could re polish them all. Then they'd come
34:16
Speaker 1: up nicely. Sure, Like he's not going to mention that
34:19
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, Beck, did you know you could
34:21
Speaker 1: save heaps of money if you'd actually just not employed
34:24
Speaker 1: me or paid me. Yeah, but don't pay me, go
34:26
Speaker 1: play this other guy. So do the research yourself. And
34:29
Speaker 1: I know that that sounds overwhelming because it can feel
34:31
Speaker 1: like a lot, but it's saving us thousands of dollars.
34:35
Speaker 3: Okay, that's really cheeky, but also is cheeky.
34:37
Speaker 1: But also like if you do a job and then
34:40
Speaker 1: you've asked me for a quote, I'm not going to
34:42
Speaker 1: try and talk you out of it.
34:43
Speaker 3: Via the Sunder's episode, you talked about the importance of
34:45
Speaker 3: project managing. Let's finish with that.
34:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love project management. It's one of my I
34:51
Speaker 1: guess strong points you could say, because I like to
34:54
Speaker 1: do a budget, but I also like to have like
34:56
Speaker 1: the stages at which that budget is going to be
35:00
Speaker 1: and on what and where and how. And I think
35:02
Speaker 1: it's important that while you can do things bit by bit,
35:06
Speaker 1: and I definitely would recommend that if you're renovating, like
35:09
Speaker 1: you know, do it room by room or level by level,
35:11
Speaker 1: starting with the floors and doing the whole house. For example,
35:15
Speaker 1: had I just decided to do the kitchen right, it
35:19
Speaker 1: would have cost me more money to do the kitchen
35:21
Speaker 1: now and then you know, wait and then do the
35:24
Speaker 1: laundroom and then do the floors in the loundroom. So
35:26
Speaker 1: we're doing the flaws for the entire house at the
35:30
Speaker 1: same time, right after the kitchen has been installed. But
35:34
Speaker 1: we're not doing the bathrooms yet. But we're going to
35:37
Speaker 1: get to the bathrooms at some stage, and we're going
35:38
Speaker 1: to get to the laundroom and you know, change up
35:41
Speaker 1: stuff in there, but we're definitely not doing it at
35:43
Speaker 1: the same time as the kitchen. But because the flaws
35:47
Speaker 1: are such a big task, we're just like one and done.
35:50
Speaker 1: I don't want to pay someone to come out and
35:52
Speaker 1: just do the kitchen and then come out again and
35:54
Speaker 1: have more service fees and more charges. Just like quote
35:58
Speaker 1: me for the whole thing and get it done. So
36:00
Speaker 1: I think that project management is really important because it's
36:03
Speaker 1: going to tell you like when you can do things
36:05
Speaker 1: and what your budget for things looks like. So we
36:08
Speaker 1: are budgeting at the moment to do our bathrooms, but
36:12
Speaker 1: we're not doing our bathrooms yet because I'm kind of like,
36:14
Speaker 1: I don't want to do the kitchens and the bathrooms
36:16
Speaker 1: all at once. That's going to be really expensive. So
36:18
Speaker 1: we're doing the kitchen now, and as you guys know,
36:21
Speaker 1: I've posted a lot about it on social media. We've
36:24
Speaker 1: been doing planning for that for the last what eight
36:27
Speaker 1: months or so, right, Like I've been in and out
36:29
Speaker 1: of Bunnings a million times because I couldn't decide which
36:31
Speaker 1: white cabinets I wanted, and like, they have the samples there,
36:34
Speaker 1: so I kept going in. Like back when Gabby worked
36:37
Speaker 1: for us, I was like dragging her in and being like,
36:39
Speaker 1: but is this white tu cream? And She's like, no,
36:42
Speaker 1: that's really nice, and I'd be like okay, and then
36:44
Speaker 1: I'd settle on it, and then I'd go home and
36:46
Speaker 1: be like, I just need to see it in person
36:47
Speaker 1: one more time with the sample of the bench tops. Right,
36:51
Speaker 1: So it was really nice to have a long lead
36:53
Speaker 1: up period so that now the kitchen's in and it
36:56
Speaker 1: is in, I'm really excited about it, and I go, yeah, no,
36:58
Speaker 1: I know these were the right color selections for me.
37:01
Speaker 1: But I think that being able to do things and
37:04
Speaker 1: having a plan has helped a lot. And like, even
37:07
Speaker 1: if you're not a spreadsheet wizard, like, there are so
37:10
Speaker 1: many templates out there that you could use that really
37:12
Speaker 1: help you. And I mean, we'll drop something that I
37:15
Speaker 1: have used so that you guys can use it as well.
37:17
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not the best thing in the entire world,
37:19
Speaker 1: because I'm not a super professional, but I think it
37:21
Speaker 1: does you know the job and really helps you think
37:24
Speaker 1: about things and get on the right page. Because we
37:28
Speaker 1: have made sure that we've like dotted all our eyes
37:30
Speaker 1: and crossed our our t's because beck I did it
37:33
Speaker 1: the wrong way the first time and the second time.
37:35
Speaker 1: We are not doing that again. It's not my first rodeo,
37:37
Speaker 1: you know, like we're just not going to fall off
37:39
Speaker 1: the ball again.
37:41
Speaker 3: We hope, not exactly. I don't know about you, but
37:44
Speaker 3: I feel like it's a pretty good place to leave it.
37:46
Speaker 1: I think it's a good place to leave it. But
37:47
Speaker 1: also I think it's important if you're going to renovate
37:50
Speaker 1: budget budget budget, and the best way to budget is
37:54
Speaker 1: to be really clear about what it's going to cost.
37:56
Speaker 1: We're not guestimating, Like if it means that you pop
37:59
Speaker 1: on down to Reese Plumbing and spend an hour or
38:02
Speaker 1: two looking at taps and going, oh, I thought that
38:05
Speaker 1: the tap would cost me, you know, fifty bucks, and
38:08
Speaker 1: going oh, actually, I've realized I like a more expensive option,
38:11
Speaker 1: or I like something else, Like you're getting a good
38:13
Speaker 1: idea for what your taste is as well as what
38:15
Speaker 1: budget is because it's so easy to google, like what's
38:18
Speaker 1: the average cost for renovating a kitchen and that will
38:21
Speaker 1: come up, but like you don't know what you're actually
38:24
Speaker 1: going to choose or what that's actually going to look
38:26
Speaker 1: like go down to Bunnings and have a look at
38:28
Speaker 1: the kitchens there, Like they have a full kerboodle installation
38:31
Speaker 1: in most Bunnings that you can go down to and
38:34
Speaker 1: see what the quality is, Like you might go far out,
38:37
Speaker 1: this is actually great, I do want to put this
38:39
Speaker 1: in my house. But you can have a look at
38:40
Speaker 1: what the different cabnet options are going to be, and
38:43
Speaker 1: you know, you might be renovating on a budget, but
38:45
Speaker 1: also on a really short timeframe, like maybe you're like,
38:48
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I've got to lease this property out,
38:50
Speaker 1: but the kitchen's got to change. Like have a chat
38:53
Speaker 1: to them there, because they have off the shelf options,
38:55
Speaker 1: so like what can you use or what's going to
38:57
Speaker 1: take a little bit longer to order in the cabinet
39:00
Speaker 1: draws I pitched, we had to order they weren't off
39:03
Speaker 1: the shelf but the cabinet frames were off the shelf,
39:05
Speaker 1: So I think it's really important to just understand not
39:08
Speaker 1: only your budget, but what that timeframe looks like. Yeah,
39:12
Speaker 1: let's leave it there, because I feel like I've spoken
39:13
Speaker 1: about flaws a lot, and i'd like to talk about
39:16
Speaker 1: coffee with you. Is that okay? I'd love that. We
39:19
Speaker 1: don't have any more time today, but I have loved
39:21
Speaker 1: chatting to you Beck. We'll see you next week.
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