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- Lucas: Alright, so we talk a lot on this show about influencers acting like media companies. But I think we have a genuine first this week — at least at scale. Luna: What's the angle? Lucas: Influencers are now buying podcast ad slots. Not as a guest, not trading a mention — writing a check to an independent podcast host to run a pre-recorded ad for their own brand or channel. Luna: Okay, I need an example. Who's doing this? Lucas: A food influencer called 'BudgetBytes' — she has about 400,000 Instagram followers and a paid newsletter. She recently spent $15,000 of her own money to sponsor 10 episodes of a cooking podcast called 'The Dinner Daily.' She got a 60-second mid-roll ad in each episode, driving listeners to her meal-planning service. Luna: So she's not working with a brand — she's promoting her own thing? Lucas: Exactly. She's the advertiser. And she's not alone. I've seen fitness influencers buying ad slots on workout podcasts, finance influencers sponsoring money shows. It started as one-off experiments, but now there are agents who specialize in brokering these deals — matching influencers with podcast hosts that have the right audience overlap. Luna: Interesting. What's the typical price range? Lucas: It varies wildly. A mid-size podcast with 10,000 downloads per episode might charge $500 to $1,000 for a 60-second pre-recorded spot. A top-50 business show could be $5,000 to $10,000. But the key is that influencers are paying out of their own pockets — not a brand budget. Luna: That's a big shift. Most influencer marketing is about getting paid, not paying. Lucas: Right. And the math has to work. If BudgetBytes spends $15,000 and her meal-plan service charges $10 a month, she needs 1,500 new subscribers just to break even — not counting retention. But she told a newsletter she did it because podcast listeners are highly engaged and she wanted to build trust, not just a quick conversion. Luna: So it's more brand awareness than direct response? Lucas: Partly. But she also set up a custom URL — budgetbytes.com slash podcast — so she could track sign-ups. She said she got 800 new subscribers in the first month, which is about $8,000 in recurring monthly revenue. Not a home run yet, but if those subscribers stay for six months, it's a positive return. Luna: That's actually pretty good retention if it holds. But what about the podcast hosts — why are they open to this? Lucas: Because it's guaranteed revenue, and they don't have to sell the ad themselves. Some podcasters are tired of chasing brand deals. Having an influencer come to them with a check and a pre-produced spot is easy money. Plus, the influencer's audience might overlap with the podcast's, so it can bring new listeners. Luna: Are there any platforms facilitating this? Or is it all direct outreach? Lucas: There are a few. Podcorn and Ad Results Media have marketplace features where influencers can browse shows and buy slots. But a lot of it is still direct — influencers emailing podcast hosts and negotiating. I talked to a talent manager who said she now has a dedicated person just for podcast ad buying. Luna: That's a new job title: influencer podcast media buyer. Lucas: Exactly. And it changes the dynamic. Previously, influencers were on podcasts as guests, offering free content in exchange for exposure. Now they're paying for placement, which gives them control over the message and the call to action. Luna: Does this affect how brands view influencers for sponsorship deals? Lucas: It might. If an influencer is willing to spend their own money on podcast ads, it signals they're serious about their own brand. Some brands see that as a positive — they're more likely to co-invest. But it could also create tension if the influencer is competing for the same podcast slots the brand wants. Luna: I could see that. 'Wait, you're running your own ad on the show I was going to sponsor?' Lucas: Yeah, and that's happening. One brand manager told me an influencer booked a block of ads on a podcast and then approached the brand for a sponsorship — basically saying, 'I already have an audience there, so if you sponsor me, I'll give you a mention in my ad.' It's a new negotiation leverage. Luna: So influencers are becoming mini media buyers. What's the biggest risk here? Lucas: Obviously, the financial risk. If the ads don't convert, the influencer is out thousands of dollars. There's also the risk of audience fatigue — if an influencer promotes the same podcast over and over, listeners might tune out. And if the podcast's content takes a turn, the influencer's brand is associated with it. Luna: But if the podcast is a good fit, it seems like a smart way to build a direct relationship with a niche audience. Lucas: Absolutely. And it's not just podcasts. We're seeing influencers buy ad slots on streaming radio, YouTube pre-rolls, even in newsletters. But podcasting is especially interesting because the host-read ad — even if it's pre-recorded — feels more personal than a display ad. Luna: One thing I wonder: are there any metrics beyond download numbers? Because podcast downloads can be inflated. Lucas: That's the big question. Right now, most podcast hosts provide standard download stats, but they don't always verify unique listeners. Smart influencers are asking for screenshots from the podcast's hosting platform, or using third-party tools like Chartable to check. Some are even asking for promo codes unique to the episode to track conversions. Luna: So due diligence matters. But I'm curious — has this trend caught on with any big-name influencers? Lucas: I know of a YouTuber with 2 million subscribers who spent $50,000 buying podcast ads across six shows ahead of a merch drop. He said the return was about 3x in the first week. That's anecdotal, but it's enough to make other influencers take notice. Luna: Fifty thousand dollars — that's a serious bet. Lucas: It is. But if you have a high-margin product — like a course or a membership — the math can work. The key is that podcast audiences tend to be loyal and less ad-averse. An influencer's ad might be the only commercial break in the episode, so it gets full attention. Luna: That's a good point. Unlike social media feeds where ads are everywhere, a podcast ad is often just one or two spots per episode. Lucas: Exactly. And the host introduces the ad, which gives it a tacit endorsement. Even if it's pre-recorded, the listener trusts the host's curation. So an influencer who buys a slot is effectively borrowing that trust. Luna: Let's talk about the podcast host's perspective again. Does this cannibalize their own ad revenue? Luna: So it's a win-win — as long as the influencer's ad is relevant to the audience. Lucas: Right. And that's the filter. A good influencer won't buy a slot on a podcast that doesn't align. They do their research. They listen to episodes, check the audience demographics, see if the host's style matches their brand voice. Luna: I've seen some influencers actually produce custom ads for each podcast — like writing a script that references something the host said in a recent episode. Lucas: That's the next level. The most effective ones don't just repurpose a social media video. They craft a 60-second audio spot that sounds native to the show. Some even record multiple versions and test which one drives more clicks. Luna: That's smarter. And it shows respect for the medium. Lucas: Yeah. And I think that's why this trend has legs. It's not just about buying reach — it's about earning attention in a format where the listener has voluntarily opted in. That's rare. Luna: If today's conversation gave you a new angle on influencer strategy, the way we keep this show ad-free is through listener support. If you've gotten value from episodes like this, you can contribute at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Lucas: Yeah, that's what keeps us independent and able to dig into these niche topics without any sponsor influence. Appreciate everyone who's helped so far. Luna: So to bring it back — do you think this will become a standard part of influencer marketing budgets? Lucas: I think so, especially for influencers with their own products or services. Right now it's early adopters, but as more case studies emerge — like BudgetBytes — the barrier to entry lowers. I could see agencies offering 'podcast ad buying' as a service within a year. Luna: Interesting. So maybe next time we'll talk about influencers buying billboards again? Lucas: Well, we covered that in Episode 72. But hey, maybe podcast ads are the new billboard — just more targeted and measurable. Luna: Fair point. Thanks, everyone.