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EP 43 | Tales from the Leather Leadership Conference 2024 · Around the Kinky Kampfire Podcast

• 0:54
  Speaker 1: I would miss this reaction.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: Okay so, as y'all heard campsters, we have an official intro, so now we can just jump straight into Miss Rue's favorite minute.
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: The.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: ASMR minute what you drinking?
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: I'm drinking Crown Peach and Coke Zero.
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: That was Miss Rue, and today I am Batty Coda, batty Coda.
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: Batty Coda, what is that?
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: Have you heard a little movie called Fern Gully?
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh.
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: That's we're dating ourselves.
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I just watched it actually, and you know there's a sequel that just came out For the first time.
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, for the first time.
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: Fern Gully for the first time Exactly for the first time.
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: Where have you been living.
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: You're hilarious.
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: Who raised you?
• 1:39
  Speaker 1: Some of us had VHS tapes of Fern Gully.
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: Who raised?
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: you.
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just came out, so I had to watch the first one again.
• 1:48
  Speaker 2: To watch the second one.
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: It didn't really, because it had nothing to do with each other.
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: It's completely different people, oh my gosh.
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: But there's people that have not watched it, so I had to rewatch it for that.
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: And then, yeah, the second one's absolute garbage.
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: None of the same things.
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: Did you know Christian Slater was in the first one?
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: I did not.
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, even though he was in the second one too.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: I can't think of it, but Batty Coda.
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, batty Coda, anything, no, do you know?
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: a certain person named Robin Williams.
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: Well, of course.
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: Do you know he played a bat?
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: I did not, did you know the bat's name.
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: I did not Batty Coda.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: How about that?
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: I am not Robin Williams, I don't have the energy, but what I do have is a green tea.
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: Great value.
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: It's getting a little lukewarm now and a little bit cold.
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: Probably shouldn't drink it and for my second time through, I am having a sparkling ice, caffeine plus not sponsored, but I will whore myself out for that.
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: And you say crown, you want to say what it makes it.
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's, I think, Coke Zero.
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a question for you, like a random tangent have you ever ranked soda from fast food restaurants?
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: Can you tell the difference?
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, we should do that sometime.
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: Anyways, straight to your favorite part and everybody's favorite part.
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: The.
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: ASMR minute.
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: We can just jump right into this now.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: This is horrible.
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to start in three, two, one.
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: I really think you should just pre-record this.
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's much.
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a bit much I think everybody loves it.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: I've gotten.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: I've gotten word I've gotten word.
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: I've got word a million fans.
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: It's just one I got one word for one fan and, as you know, baddie Coda only needs one fan that says they enjoy it.
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: All we need.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you very much.
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe I need to record the intro, where I share that we should not encourage you in any way and your bad behavior?
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: No, no, no no, no, this is all for people's entertainment and educational.
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: I make mistakes and then I record it on the podcast.
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: It's literally the whole podcast.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: It's the whole podcast.
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, people have started at the beginning.
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: People, hello, people that are out there that we may or may not know in real life and may or may not be talking to, they start from the beginning and I have to give that little warning like, oh yeah, that person that was an ex-girlfriend.
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: So they start from the beginning and then they come up to now.
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: But they say they enjoy it.
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: So our group sessions, they like our banter and they like me talking to myself and to the ether, so apparently that's enjoyable as well.
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: Or they're just trying to have sex with you so they tell you that uh, no, because I tell them I'm demisexual.
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: As y'all know, demisexual needs an emotional attachment.
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: I can go deep into that at some point, which I will in a pillow fort session.
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: That, uh, I'm not sexually.
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: That's not.
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: Sexual gratification is not my goal I am a cuddler, you're a cuddler, I've been known to go by the cuddle gigolo in some spaces like this one I know this is not that space.
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: This is that space.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: I've gone've gone by.
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: cuddle.
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about actual, I'm talking about by name.
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: I said I've gone by.
• 5:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't say you can purchase these services.
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, we agree, there's consent there.
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: So consent is sexy.
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: We all very much agree to the consent.
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm a cuddler, I need cuddling, okay, so yeah.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm a cuddler, I need cuddling, so yeah, that's what I need.
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: Sex is which, again, we should, we need to.
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: That's another episode idea.
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: We need to go through all the topics again because there's certain platforms where they still have not differentiated between kink and BDSM there's still certain platforms which I just heard.
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: This is not the rant we're doing today.
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's not the rant.
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: That's something different.
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: We need to.
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: We have to go through that again we have to explain all the different things again, like we said in a couple podcasts when we were talking about what I can mention.
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: We will do that, but that is not.
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying since the last time we actually talked or whatever, I've heard things where there's certain people in our space that still have not differentiated between kink and BDSM and they've been doing it a lot longer than we have which is so confusing to me.
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: But tangent one thing, definition is another thing.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, today, folks, somebody took a trip.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: Does this feel better now that we don't have to do the intro again?
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: I know it, does I like it?
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just jumping right into it.
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: No more banter, I did take a trip.
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: Where did you go?
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: I went to atlanta for what?
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: To llc.
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: I went to the leather leader conference 2024 2024 people.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: This is becoming a regular thing.
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: We have a thing because we do this every year.
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: Um, as far as you know, it's been we've only been for two years, but it's been every year that we've been on it, it has.
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: Would you like to tell us about LLC?
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: LLC was amazing.
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: It was absolutely uplifting.
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: It was like a family reunion.
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: It was exhausting because so much is packed into such a small amount of time.
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, because it's only three days.
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: It's Friday, Saturday, Sunday afternoon.
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: Which most conferences are like four or five days.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I got there Thursday night and I left Sunday.
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: But it's nonstop.
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: And I mean it's not a play party.
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: For those that haven't heard the previous episodes, llc is not a play party.
• 7:28
  Speaker 2: The best way to describe LLC is it's like it's professional development for kink, for people who lead spaces, lead events, teach classes, all of the above.
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: So people who either want to do it, who have just started doing it or have been doing it a really long ass time, just started doing it or have been doing it a really long ass time, and so one of the misconceptions that people have with llc is they they hear the name leather leader conference.
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: Well, this was our right here the what 20th anniversary 2025, I think 20th.
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: I'll have to look it up.
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry would you say just kink or overall, or bdsm or lifestyle?
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: no, it's.
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: It's professional development for lead, for people who lead or organize things within the kink community and bdsm community.
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, and so it could be.
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: You could organize a much every month.
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: You would gain something from this conference.
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: You could run a play space out of your home once a month.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: You could learn something from this conference.
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: You can own a public dungeon, and you're going to learn something from this conference.
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: It is literally where people come together that all of the classes are geared towards building your community, building your event, building a safe space for people, building an inclusive safe space for people, and how to navigate that and how to just take information back to your community and make it better.
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: I cannot speak highly enough of the vision and the drive and the ideology that goes behind llc yeah, I'm um not at a place where I can go to all the things, so I'm sad I missed out on it this year.
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: Was it at the same?
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: yeah, same location and that's the exciting part is drum roll.
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: Next year it's going to be in la, they are going west are you serious?
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's not like a different version of it or anything same llc, and so they're going to start alternating every year, going between the east coast and west coast, to make it more accessible to everybody in the country uh, same time yep, same time of the year, um, same event, same.
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: It's the event.
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: They are just going to go coast to coast so that it makes it accessible, because in Atlanta it's very accessible to the southeast, to the east side, but not necessarily to people in like Colorado, arizona, california.
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: That's a big trip.
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: That turns into a very expensive trip for three days for professional development, for a job you're not getting paid for have you ever gotten a breakdown of where everybody comes from?
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: have they done the stats for that?
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: I they probably have.
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: I've not seen it, but I am safe to say that I mean, there are a couple of board members that live in california now.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: So, um, I do know that some people come and fly.
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: We have one lady that is very heavily involved and is one of the volunteers and and teachers that taught this year and last year, and she lives in Canada and she comes down for this event.
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: So we do, you do get people, but it it can be a very regional thing, just due to money and resources and all of those things.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: So the fact that they are going to la next year, oh my gosh, amazing.
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: I can't wait.
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: I can't wait okay, and that's it.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: Is it the the area where you go?
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: yes, yes, okay, yes, my besties out there, we're going to represent strong.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, all the different things.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: Silk is going to represent strong.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: One of these years.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: Hashtag life goals.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: We're going to do a podcast from there.
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's going to represent strong.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: It's going to be amazing.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're bringing silk, there.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: Silk is already in LA.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: There is a Silk Orlando and a Silk LA.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: We're both going to be in the same space, at the same time, at the same convention.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: We got to do something.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: I'm already looking forward to it.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: It's a year away.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: I haven't been to LA.
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've been to LA proper, but Santa Monica, santa Barbara area, since I was in middle school.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: Well, the information's out there.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: They've already announced that they're going to LA.
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: And they've already got the dates.
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: They've already got the registration is open.
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so if anybody on the west side of the country or has the means on the east side to go, you can get your tickets now.
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: You can reserve your hotel now.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: They're not going to have the lineup, of course, they're not going to have the presenters, they're not going to have the classes listed, but you can go ahead.
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: If this is something that you want to go to, you can already make plans and block out the dates and go and set all that up are you going to apply to teach?
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: absolutely okay yeah, we got to plan something absolutely if not next year, hopefully next year, folks, a little little teaser, but yeah, definitely would like to do some kind of something at a convention like like this.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: So it's going to be lifestyle type convention.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I do it for the geeky people out, but but so what I was going to say is one of the misconceptions that I want people to understand is it's called Leather Leadership Conference.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: However, it is not necessarily.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: It's not a leather event.
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: It's a leather.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: It's a leather event by default, because a lot of people that are in organizational positions are leather, because that's one of the very core is giving back to the community and and engaging in your community and making it better.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: You don't have to be leather to attend this event.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: You don't have to identify as leather, you don't even have to understand it.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: You can go to this event as a munch organizer, never having worn a piece of leather in your life, and you're going to learn so much and you're going to network and you're going to meet amazing people who have stories and and life lessons that just are freely given.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Not only are the classes amazing, but to me, sometimes my favorite parts of this conference are what happens just like outside in the smoking area, like the social area, you get a bunch of people together that have been doing this for a hot minute and you give them some whiskey and fresh air and the stories just fall out of their mouths and they are talking about people that they used to know they talk about things, someone they used to know Well, people yeah.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Some of them that I did and even if you didn't know the people, just the stories that they tell and the history and the experience that just sometimes those classes that aren't classes are some of the best experiences from conferences like this.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: People talk about how they fell flat on their face.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: They talk about the pitfalls that they've been through.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: They've talked about how they've stepped on their dicks.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: They will.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Literally or figuratively, I mean well, I do it for fun, but I mean, like some people didn't mean to, and they will share all of this information openly.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: And it's not to prove anything, it's not to justify anything, it's just that, hey, if you can hear this from me, maybe you'll get something and it won't happen to you, or it won't happen as bad to you, or you'll see something coming.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: This conference is all about cultivating and growing leaders in a community, and some of those happen to be leather folk and some of them aren't, and that's okay.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: So at the basis, I would say, just from going the one time I go, not leather identifying, but it's definitely for as long as you're in the lifestyle and you want to learn about being a leader and you want to lead something.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: This is it.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Leading in the community, in the community.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we have the schedule pulled up.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: We do.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Do you want to go through the schedule or you want to go through what you?
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: So like so.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: On Friday they had an emergent leaders panel.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I went to that.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I have a page and a half of notes.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: It was so much Okay so this is noon to 1.30 on Friday.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Or a page of notes yeah, that was fun.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: They have things like well, slow down fundraising and board development.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I thought you were going to talk about your leaders.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Creating safety, the art of building your consent team, an event producers round table, fortifying leaders, making better meetings.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I wish I could have seen that, because that's by the Science of BDSM team.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're there every year, if you guys don't know about them.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: They actually do studies in the kink spaces and they put all their findings out there and I am 100% a nerd.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I read all that stuff.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, they don't have like a big pool, so if you know anything about taking stats and everything smaller pool, you have not quite as good findings and results, but I fully support them.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Hopefully they can find more people to.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Basically, you need more kink people in a kink space that's willing to do a survey.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: The better their surveys, the better their outcome is.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I would love to know what they were saying by making better meaning and what survey they did for that.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: And so Friday's pretty low key.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: It's just the beginner part of it they go into.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: They had a cigar social on Friday, okay, which was fun until it wasn't because they got rained on.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: So they had to rush in.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like surprise there's rain.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Can't have cigars with so good water.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: You are moving way too fast.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: One of the things that I enjoyed this year was that.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: You need to put your finger out there.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're doing.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Some, some of the classes were actually not just classes.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: They were intensives, so they were three hours.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: So you were sitting with these people and they were classes.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: However, most of the presenters it was interactive, so like they were really facilitators with uh, an outline and information so they would present information and then they would be so what's your experience?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Give me your opinions, tell me things that have happened in your community, and it would really open it up.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: And I saw the three hour block and I was like, wow, what?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: what three-hour class?
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Like ooh, that's rough.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I was thinking back to college years, right.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not see that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Two to five on a Friday afternoon I'll be honest, I loved it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: You didn't know, you were in the room for three hours and there were times that we would be in the room past the three hours because the conversation was so good and so informative.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness okay so I went to the emergent leaders panel.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Uh, so they had, I think, five people up front and it was a true panel and they would ask them questions and they were all different demographics, uh, different um identifications, different experience levels, all of it.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: And, um, basically it's like, what would you, what advice would you give to emergent leaders if people were trying to become?
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: And they would ask them questions?
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: And the very first thing that was said and I have it on my notes and it's bracketed, which is why I know it really resonated with me when I heard it was when you already exist in the community and you're already looked at as a leader in the community.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: You're leading an event, you're leading a play space, you're the person doing the thing.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: One of the things that resonated with me was that you need to stop looking at how to support upcoming leaders instead working on your own leadership.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: So sometimes like, oh, not stop, start, did I say stop?
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I should have said start.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I hope I said start.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Start looking at how to support upcoming leaders instead of working on your own leadership.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: So some people get stuck in the hamster wheel of how do I be better than what I am?
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: How can I do this better?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: How can I be better?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: How can I make the space better, how can I make the community better?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that they forget to do is how can I help other people become leaders, how can I help other people become better leaders?
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: And and this was brought up because people will create a thing, a dungeon, a play space, a munch, and they don't think about what happens when you're gone.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: What's the, what's the end goal?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: If the end goal is for this to be sustainable for your community, what are you doing to make sure from it and grow with it, then ultimately you have grown this to die with you, and so, instead of constantly looking at just improving yourself, what are you doing to promote others to lead with you and for you?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: yeah and I was just like son of a bitch.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: You know, we're literally at a conference professional development for leadership and the first thing that I'm hearing out the gate in the first class that I'm in is I'm hearing out the gate in the first class that I'm in is how much are you working on yourself compared to how much are you promoting and educating and growing the people that are going to replace you?
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: yeah, are you wanting to leave a legacy?
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: And how are you going to?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: because ultimately, you're going to be replaced yeah and they didn't say that, you know, but that's how I interpreted it and it was just like oh my gosh, like that's.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: It completely changed my perspective of how I looked at these classes and I went into the weekend going I need fresh eyes.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I need fresh eyes on what I'm doing.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I need fresh eyes on what kind of classes I'm I'm developing and I'm wanting to offer.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I need, I need, I need a kickstart personally, like I just need it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And the very first thing I'm hearing is is it's not about you, it's what are you doing for other people so that the community can thrive and grow and exist?
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: When you're not here is what my mind interpreted that answer and I was like that's it okay.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, now I have found why I'm here.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: It's not about me, it's about what am I doing to grow the community, because I will eventually not be in it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And so every class that I went to, everything that I listened to, all the little nuggets that planted, was really for me about that, was really for me about that.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: What am I doing to ensure that when I'm no longer able to teach, I'm no longer able to do a thing, I'm no longer to even maybe participate in the community any longer.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: What am I doing to ensure that there is a healthy, thriving, driven community that is still going?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what legacy you want to leave?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you it set the tone for me.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: It absolutely set the tone for me.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, any other notes from it?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean they.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: They asked questions like what is leadership to you?
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: And people were, you know, sharing that.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: You know they ask questions like what is leadership to you?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: And people were sharing that you lead by example.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: People are watching you.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: They pay attention to what you do.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: They pay attention to who you are and how you treat other people.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: They might not hear what you're saying, but they see your physical interaction with people and they hear how you treat people.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: That we should use leadership to set an example on how quote unquote we should be acting and conducting ourselves, we as in people who organize things, because we're setting the example on how things should be organized, how people who organize things should act.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: The accountability we should fall under the expectations we should have on ourselves as people who put themselves out there to organize or lead a thing right that they have.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: What is leadership to you?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: It's a core value.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: You know they shared that it's living it, not just doing it.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: You know, are you living your life as somebody who is in a leadership position or are you just doing the leadership?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Is it an action or is it an identification as a part of you?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: And then the age old do I decide if I'm a leader and is it fair if others decide for you, right?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: How many times do you hear people say Mr you know shit face, grin over there.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: You're a leader, batty.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Cota, batty Cota.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Rest in peace, robin Williams.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And what is it that you always say to me?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: The leader of Batty Coda?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Batty Coda, batty Coda.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Rest in peace, robin Williams.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: And what is it that you always say to me?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: What do you call me?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: You're a very nice lady, don't kiss ass.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: You are also a leader in my community.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Right, and so you know what their answer to that was.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: We ultimately decide when we stand up.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Do you ultimately decide that you're okay with that title when you, when you decide to stand up and do the thing?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: And that's what you've got to ask yourself and you know, does teaching of standing up have an obligation to be looked at as a leader?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: It's a debate, you know.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: It's an ongoing debate between you know, what is a leader compared to an event organizer?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: If you organize an event, are you a leader or are you an organizer of an event?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: You know, is it fair that people can put that leadership title on you?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Do you have to accept it?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Does it matter if you don't?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Um, which is a, a.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Really that's a really great debate and, I think, a really good um.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Just, I think that's really because everybody has different opinions and I'm learning that the difference of opinions is between people who do and people who don't, the people who don't do the things and don't stand up and do the things compared to the people who do.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: You mean, like trolls on the internet, stepping up to what your community needs, not just what you're interested in.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: What's leadership to you?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Seeing a need and and doing the things that fill the need, even if it doesn't benefit you or it's not anything that you're interested in?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Um, and here's I have arrows on the outside of this and one of the things that they say you know a good leader should be able to answer.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Anybody who leads a thing should be able to answer this.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Who is being served by this thing that you're doing?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: okay, so you mean specifically goals, not just questions in general right, but who is being served by this thing?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I want to start a munch, and I want to start a munch where only critters can come.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, why does one exist?
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Do you not like the one that exists?
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Are you at beef with the one that with the person who runs the other one?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: so you don't like the way it's ran.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: So you're going to start your own, or is there a true need in your community?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Who are you?
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Who is being served by the thing that you're doing, right, and are you doing it to create it or to control it?
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit, there we go, there we go, because you hear people all the time.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I did this thing because it didn't exist in my community, so I was filling a need.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Was it a need?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Did it exist?
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: And you didn't like the way you existed.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: So you're doing it so that you can control the narrative.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Are you doing it to really fulfill the need?
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: So are you doing it to create or to control?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: So that it was really really deep.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: The next question um, what is your value in a leader?
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: So they each had to give a word and like an explanation of why that word resonated with them, and so one of the words was understanding they believe in.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Anybody who's in a leadership position should have understanding.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: You know, seeing where people are coming from and speaking to people where they are, not just the explanation you want to give them, but are you speaking to them at their level of understanding?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: who is this moderator?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Where are they getting their questions from?
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: they came up with their own question and they asked the panel people these the panels are.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: What answered this question?
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, one said grace and that making sure you understand that you are still growing and learning as a leader.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: So you should not just grace to the people that you're organizing the event for, but making sure that you give yourself grace and that you realize that you didn't prepare for this.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: You probably didn't know what you were doing when you were doing this.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: You did this because there was a need, and are you giving yourself enough grace to understand that you might not all have to have all the answers, you might not have all of the experience, but you're willing to learn and grow with it, with whatever it is that you're creating.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, we're finally talking about that.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: You know, identifying that we're still human beings yes and that's so hard for people to do.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: They think, because you organize something, that you are just a open target for anything that's right or wrong, and they forget that you are still a human being with feelings and all the things.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: So the other one is humility.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Sometimes the best thing to do is step aside and raise others up and knowing when that's the time and having the humility to be able to say this isn't about me anymore and I need you to rise up and and take it to the next step that I might not be able to take it to, and then actually doing it.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Decisiveness Ability to gather information and make a decision.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: And the key behind that is not having paralysis.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: So not doing a thing is doing a thing You're choosing not to.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: So not having that paralysis If you're going to be in a position of leadership of any time or of organization, you have to be able to make decisions, whether they benefit you or not.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: And having the ability to have decisiveness and not become frozen.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: And then vision being able to have a vision.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: You know what does the idea look like and how do you get there.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Why are again, why are you doing what you're doing?
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: What's the end goal Is the end goal?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Sustainability Is the end goal?
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Just to fill a need for six months until something else comes along?
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: What's the vision of what you're creating?
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And then, based on that vision, what are you doing to make sure you get there Telling you this was how the event, this was the first thing I entered and this is how the event started for me?
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: That's a good starting point.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: And this was just the class.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: This wasn't even the intensive.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: This was not even the intensive.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: No, this was not the intensive.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I'd love to know the moderator where they get their questions from.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Well, two of the moderators, I believe, were board members.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, Okay that makes more Well the two of the moderators.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I believe were board members.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, that makes more sense, mm-hmm.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Some deep questions I like that they went to the 102 level, not just the 101 of leadership.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's the whole point of the convention, is 101, everybody's already doing something.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Everybody's already-.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Or thinking about doing something.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Most people who come to this event are already doing something.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Everybody's already or thinking about doing something.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Most people who come to this event are already doing something, and so they're already in it.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: They're already experiencing things.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: So you almost have to kind of go to a 201 level to be like we acknowledge you're already doing things.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Now let's what are you experiencing and how can we make it better?
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: How can we fix it?
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: How can we support you?
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: What classes are going to support you?
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Also give you a direction too.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Exactly, a lot of people not asking themselves these questions.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly, it's one of those where you don't know what you don't know until you don't know it.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Story of my fucking life.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I thought we were getting to the rant in this episode.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Don't get me started in this episode, not this one.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Don't get me started.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: No, not this one.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know this shit.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Why aren't they?
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: teaching this shit in school?
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: God damn it, why, like why can't we have a leadership class in school?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Like, why are we not teaching these people fucking?
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I was about to make a math joke, but so you went to that, and then I and then I went to the Fortifying Our Leaders Intensive with Master Varee.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Amazing Shout out to Master Varee If you could ever attend any of her classes, I highly encourage you to do so.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And again, first thing that I bracketed out of this intensive was.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Leadership is the ability to get people to follow you.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: It's simple as that.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Say that one more time.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Leadership is the ability to get people to follow you.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to make that our soundbite for the week and she's just amazing.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: She.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: She takes things, she takes concepts and she puts them in a perspective that really makes you think and really makes you look at things in a different way.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Um, for example, I have here, I'll be honest, the.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: The notes for this are extremely short because it was very interactive.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: So we spent a lot of time small group discussing, small group collaborating and then coming back together as a whole group and sharing, and so I probably could have taken a lot more notes, but I was so into it that I felt the notes were distracting me and so I just wanted to be in the class and experience the class, so my notes are very sparse.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, explain in more detail.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: So would she?
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Would she pose a question and you guys talk about it?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then, okay, she would pose a question.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Um, I'm trying to think it was when you're thinking of a leader, what are like good, what are what is a bad leader?
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: What is a good leader?
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: And like what is a like amazing, like the next level leader?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: And so when you think of these three categories, what words do you attribute to each category?
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: And so we've got broken up into small groups and they were like we had to come up with like two or three words of if we think of what a bad leader is, these are the things that we would think of, and when we think of a good leader, these are things that we would think of.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: And then, when we think of like an excellent leader, this is the things that we think of.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: And then we all came back together as a big group and group, shared what everybody, all the different words that everybody came up with and then talked about how there are attributes of a good leader that make an excellent leader.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: But what are the things that start separating them between good and excellent?
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, so as far as the intensive breakdown, she would ask a question.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: You guys would get into small groups.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Each person would say what their opinion is.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did that once.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Once.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: So there was some lecture, some some substance like sit and get is what it's called like, when you just sit and get the information okay so there was some sit and get in the beginning, there was some small group work, there was collaboration work and then it was just open, share experiences.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: What does this resonate with you?
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Where are you thinking with this?
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Things like that?
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: So it was very interactive.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: It was not three hours of like sit and get yeah, so yeah, okay, so yeah, trying to help the people that don't know exactly what intensives are so there's a quote in this and it was again just like little things um.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: It was little things, um, like the word manipulation.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: The word manipulation has a negative connotation to it everything the word manipulation everybody hears the word manipulation and they automatically think negative.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you manipulate yeah, my gosh, you manipulated me, you manipulated me Right Gaslighting Exactly.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Well, and her thing is is manipulation can actually be good and bad.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, salespeople need it.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: And here's what I wrote.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: It can be a way to drive the direction of a community, a relationship or a discussion, and I was just like the direction of a community, a relationship or a discussion.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I was just like.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I love it when words that society has deemed bad, like narcissists, yeah, and they actually show you the other side of that word, and I don't know, I can be a nerd like that and I appreciated that she was able to take a word and give us a different way to view it, in different way that it can be thought of in a positive way yep, uh, yeah, this is.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: This is the kind of stuff I like talking about.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: It's that 201 level stuff where people just use words and then they don't know actually what it is, just because they heard it somewhere.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, they traumatized me.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: It's like what does that mean?
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: exactly One of the quotes that really I wrote it down really resonated with me was the point of an arrow.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: So think of an archer that's shooting an arrow right the point of an arrow can, either of an archer that's shooting an arrow right the point of an arrow can either cause a great deal of damage or create the greatest impact.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: And so when you're shooting an arrow right, there's always the point at the end of an arrow right.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Are you shooting that arrow to create a great deal of damage or to cause the greatest impact?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Because the point of the arrow is what allows the rest of the arrow to go through.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: So what is your intent behind sharing that information, making that policy, creating the group?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Basically, what is, what is the?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: What is the motivation behind shooting that arrow?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Are you doing it to cause damage, which is what an arrow can do, or are you doing it to create the greatest amount of impact?
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And I was just like this is why I attend her classes Like just the way that she views things and the way that she explained things it's like you know Makes you think.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: It makes you think.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I know I love it Theme of my life and that was the start of the convention, were those two things?
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, one of my favorite parties of the year.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: The Sunday party.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: The Friday night party Slip and slide Bubble party.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Nope, even better.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Shout out to the men of Onyx.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's talk about them.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Sexy gentlemen.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Ooh those men.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's talk about them.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Sexy gentlemen, ooh those men, Ooh tangent.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: There's another platform I listen to where they're talking about different conventions and Onyx has come up a couple of times and they talk about their parties, the men of Onyx, and this is interesting because it's not necessarily a leather thing which we know them for, but it's a different kind of convention.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: It's like, know those people.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: The men of onyx is a leather family, I don't know how else to.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I mean either you it's.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: If you know them, you know them, and they are amazing people with such a strong support system, such a positive interaction in every community, that they are in A wealth of knowledge.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I can sing their praises all day long and they make a fucking hell of a hunch punch.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I was about to say that's probably the main point there.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: They make a hell of a hunch punch and I just know from not verified, but I just know from rarest resources that that hunch punch is like nationally known.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're in the community you hear Onyx, you know about the hunch punch.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: And they threw the party Friday night and the music was jumping, the hunch punch was flowing.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Hugs, congratulations, dancing, socializing 10.30.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Until Until you ready.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: The fire alarm went off and we all had to evacuate the building.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Wait, this wasn't outside.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: So somewhere in the hotel.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, it says suite yeah, yeah, they're in a suite in the hotel at the convention.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Everything's contained within the hotel.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Wait, are there people smoking cigars in the suite in the hotel at the convention?
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Everything's contained within the hotel.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Wait, are people smoking cigars in the suite?
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: It wasn't our room, it wasn't the party.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: There was somewhere else in the hotel that the fire alarm for the entire hotel was going off.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: The entire hotel had to evacuate outside in the rain.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Somebody doing fire play down the hall.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: No, granted, it was towards the end of the party, so that was okay.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we had to end the party short because and it was raining outside- so everybody's staying out in the rain?
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty funny.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Somebody doing wax play down the hall somewhere.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: It was good because y'all had to be up early on Saturday anyway.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: We did but shout out to the men you are absolutely amazing.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I thoroughly enjoy and look forward to all of the time that I get to spend with you every year, and they truly truly are part of what makes LLC feel like a family reunion.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: And they spread the love all over the country.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: And then you had to wake up early on Saturday.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Good Lord, I don't even.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: It's until business.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: And go to breakfast and be in your first class by 9 am After all that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: So when I tell you that LLC is brutal.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: It is so much.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: You go one, two, three, four, five, I think six.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: In two days you're attending at least probably six classes that range from an hour and a half to three hours long.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not even like a full day, because on Friday it starts at noon.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Well, friday's the half day because everybody's getting in.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, sunday's like a half day too.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Friday's the half day because everybody's getting in Well yeah, sunday's like a half day too, because it's only until three.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Sunday is a half day, it's until three.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: So technically you're like a day and a half, and so 9 am starts the next classes I want to say I went into.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I think which one did I go into?
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: So they had creating inclusive leather spaces, creating group policy on risk management, mitigation, know better, do better, becoming an actionable accomplice, servant leadership leading with love, not hate and fear.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: And then Science of BDSM.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Did DEI and kink organizations?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I went to that one.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: What does DEI stand?
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: for I knew you were going to ask me.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: You know me by now.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: You know I'm going to ask these questions, especially science and BDSM people.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I know I should have written it down.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't write it down, I am so sorry You're killing me, bro, but it's again.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: It was one of those where oh you know what I do?
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Know exactly what it is, is it I want to say?
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I attended the class.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Dungeons.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: No, dungeons entice intellectuals.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Dungeons entice intellectuals.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: So good that it was the second time.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Dom's.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I attended it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Dom's eat ice cream.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Dom's eat ice cream.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Ooh, ice cream play.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: That's nice.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Paddle a fanny, get it nice and warm, put a scoop of ice cream on there and you lick it off.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: That's a good story.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I should write a smut book.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Dom's eat off that's a good story.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I should write a smut book.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Doms eat ice cream.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: What is they talking?
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: about it's food play.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Speaking of smut, I've heard a lot of different smut stories recently and it's like firefighters and police people and undercover stuff going on and it's like, wow, this is very deep.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Definitely go deep into a smut book review.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: It'd be good stuff too.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Dei in kink organizations okay well.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I can't remember.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go basically about conflict resolution okay and it's leading stuff.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of conflict resolution in there yeah, it's.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: It's basically about conflict resolution, the anatomy of a drama triangle where there's a prosecutor, a rescuer a victim conflict repair, awareness, interpersonal injuries which can last a lifetime.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Determining situational perspectives how there's person one, person two and then the situational perspective.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: So in every situation there's three perspectives there's the perspective of one person, perspective of the second person and then there's the situational perspective which is somewhere in the middle.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Empowered situations, how to own power and choose to respond when you're the survivor, and then more how to look through the lens of situational perspective, maintaining the mental health of a group.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: It was really good.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: So this was the second time I had attended this class.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: So this is de-escalating events interorganizationally.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so DEI.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: So they had also, and then we had a little bit.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: No, we didn't have a break.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Scroll to the left.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Where is my mouse?
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: It disappeared.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: There it is.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: And so then, the next set of classes were again emergent leaders, which the person who taught that class was on the emergent leaders panel.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Okay so he was able to take the concepts that he briefly brought up on the panel to introduce kind of his class.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: He almost planted a head.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: There's anticipatory leadership, cultivating leadership and intersexuality in your community, leading with different abilities round table, and then the consideration and presenter plugin.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: So again, those were another set of classes.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I went to Master Plain Jane's class Again.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: If you could ever hear anything that this woman says, it is so informative the.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Thrive class cultivating leadership and intersectionality in your community.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: What does Thrive stand for?
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: No, that's Thrive.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Thrive was the drive of the convention, okay.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Which is what it's, not an acronym.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, what is Thrive?
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Look it up You've got the internet right at your fingers.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: This is what we're here for.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: We've got the internet right.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: This is what we're here for.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: We're educating the people what is thrive stop it, I'm being serious it was.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: You're driving me nuts.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Are you trying to piss me off?
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Like it's literally right there, like go to.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: It was the theme of the convention okay this is about to get bad.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Like I don't understand where your disconnect is I'm asking you what the thrive meant go to the main page of the convention.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Fortifying our foundations thrive it's her title and it it it resonated with fortifying our foundations thrive it's her title and it it it resonated with fortifying the foundation of events and leaders and and things, so it's literally just part of her title of the of the thing.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: She didn't have a go to the um class descriptions.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll look it up.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Well, now I want you to look at the class description.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Is there a place?
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't click.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Is there a place for the class descriptions?
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: There was on the app, but the app's not.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: It doesn't show those classes anymore.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no go to the schedule of events.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Is that where we were?
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: That's where we were go to the presenters support team well, she's on the board.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Master Plane Jane is very knowledgeable, very experienced, very insightful and can really have the ability to speak to you where you're at.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, have the ability to speak to you where you're at Okay.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: And so she took this class and basically like, how can you promote leaders within your community?
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: How can you, you know, take your community and bring it together as a community to thrive together?
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: She just to sit down and have a one-on-one conversation with her is precious and I will do it every opportunity that I get.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: She's hysterical.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I've sat on panels a panel with her before and I've seen her at LLC now and taken her classes and um highly recommend, highly recommend this presenter.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Then you got lunch which?
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Um, it was presented by gilead sciences.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: So gilead sciences was there throughout the entire convention to talk about sexual health and offered free testing for anybody at the convention If they would.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Um wanted testing done for themselves.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Do they do the full panel?
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I believe, so All right.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Um.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: And so they hosted a lunch where they presented about sexual health, which I thought was amazing.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: It was like a lunch and learn if anybody understands what those are.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Um was amazing.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: It was like a lunch and learn if anybody understands what those are.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Um, so very grateful to have them as sponsors and have them come in and do that for the community.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: It was a very it was a very good presentation.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Then right back to classes.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Um, the classes were space to share, diversity, equity, inclusion and creating affirming spaces by devin stone.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Um setting event codes of conduct and host venue boundaries, successful event production or team leadership empowerment, getting out of the way to enable secession.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: They had a bipoc round table whoa, go back.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: And then, um, there was leading your group through conflict resolution.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Conflict resolution which that's the one, though that's the one I was talking about that I had attended the year before and I got to sit through it again.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Um, by a cody who is a member of Onyx, and again so much detail, so insightful, on how to look at perspectives, how to empower situations, how to identify the key people who are in conflicts, to be able to see their perspectives and their point of view.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Really spot on class, really spot on class, really spot on class.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Then we had a little break and we went right back into the next one.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Um call in call out community accountability roundtable by mara.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, okay.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: So when I go back to the times, this was a hour and a half class.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: It was supposed to get out at 5.30.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: I think we were in the room continuing to discuss this until like 6.15, almost 6.30.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: It was so good.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Six approaches to managing problems in an organization.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Wait, what is the?
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: What is it about?
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Call-in call-out community accountability roundtable the difference between calling in and calling out.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: If somebody does something that is considered egregious within the community, when do you decide to call them in and talk about what has happened, compared to calling out publicly as to what's happened?
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: You know what situations do you call in for, what situations do you call out for?
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: What's worked in your community?
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Why, what did you call out in your community?
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: What did you call in for?
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: And it was just people who shared experiences within their community of things that they call in and call out for, why it's good, why it's bad.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: How do you hold them accountable?
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Um, I didn't write this down.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: I should really write this down to remember this quote and I and I didn't, and but I it, but it still sticks in my head.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: It's the first time you know how we use the words and we use the phrase social capital.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Yep, right.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: So you've heard the word social capital, you've heard the ideology behind social capital and what it is.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and every time that I have heard social capital talked about it's in regards to negotiation, it's in regards to how people are viewed in the community Yep, things of that nature.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Mara was the first person that I've ever heard use the phrase if you've got social capital, you know you have social capital why aren't you spending it?
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Why aren't you spending it?
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: What are you saving it for?
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: If you've got it, why aren you using it for?
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: To better your community, to call out or call in when things aren't fundamentally right?
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: And I was just like holy shit, like what are you saving it for?
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: It doesn't gain interest, can't put it in the bank.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: So why are you holding on to all of this social capital, if you have it, and why aren't you spending it?
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: and I just was like this convention, oh my gosh so she's proposing the people with a lot of social capital should call these people out or call them in.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: They are.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: They are doing that it's and they're running for a title, they're running for leather person.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Holy crap, that one statement like it, was an amazing round table.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: It was such it was.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I wish that had been a three hour intensive.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: It was so good to listen to everybody's perspectives and things that they were calling out in their community, things that they were situations that they were dealing with in their regions and how they have dealt with it or how they wish they had dealt with it and what was going on.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: What were people doing for accountability?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: What did accountability look like in different communities?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: But the very fact that somebody actually said when you have social capital and you know that it exists and you know that you have it, it's there.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Why aren't you spending it?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just rough if you're not a leader, but you have a lot of social capital.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: But you don't have to be a leader to spend it.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just have to have it.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Some people just want the social capital or they're just a naturally outgoing person and then they just don't want to take any of the responsibilities for that stuff.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: It's like okay.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's a great question though that the responsibilities for that stuff, it's like okay.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's a great question, though that was holy crap.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: I still that still plays in my head.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: It still plays in my head um the why, uh, not the what?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: intergenerational tension in leather and kink I know I'm telling you these classes, so this is like TNG versus TOG here.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Is that what we're talking about?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: These?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: classes and then we got to break.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: They had an auction, which their auctions are amazing, so what they do is-.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, was there another backpack?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: There was another backpack but there was some amazing art.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: There was a silent auction and there was a live auction, and all of the money that is raised in the auction goes to the scholarship fund.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: And what the scholarship fund does is it provides academic scholarships for people in the kink community, in the bdsm community, to obtain the higher level degrees and so another peach cobbler on auction there was and you know who won it?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: You, you.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: No but somebody I was close to.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, was it good I didn't get any?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: How did you not get any?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't get any.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: There was leftovers last time.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: But the peach culvert definitely was up for auction again.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Okay if nobody knows what we're talking about.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: First of all, the leather backpack.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: The last time we went, there was actually a full leather backpack which smelled amazing, and it had a bunch of leather stuff like a personal bag and another little bag all inside of it.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: It all came together in this one auction thing.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Oh man, if you're going to a leather convention, a leather bag and somebody randomly put a peach cobbler out there Not random, it is homemade from Atlanta peach cobbler.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: So they planned to bring the peach cobbler for the auction.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, they baked it that afternoon for the auction.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: So you're saying the peach cobbler was gone before you got some?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I never saw it.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: I never even got to smell it, it just disappeared.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: They ran it away, it just disappeared, yes, so yes, there very much was a peach cobbler.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they're going to do in LA.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Are they going to preach?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know why not?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it won't survive the flight.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: It won't be the same.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I can make it there.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna be the same.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: We can do an la thing, because george is known for peaches.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know what la I don't know.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they're going to do to replace it actors um, but so the the, the silent auction and the live auction the money that is raised from the auction all goes towards the scholarship fund, and so LLC has a scholarship fund that people can apply to where they're getting their higher level degrees bachelors, masters, doctorates and the goal is go get your degree and thrive and what you learn and what you do, just come back and support, like, maybe come back and teach or come back and attend, and so every year they give out scholarships for a higher level education and this is the money that that pays for it yes and um, we've sat through a couple of classes from the people that got their degrees and came back and taught yeah, so it's.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely for a good cause.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: The auction.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: The auction is a lot of fun, yes, and there's a lot of amazing items that get auctioned off A lot of handcrafted items, a lot of vintage things that you don't see anymore.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: And then there's always the peach cobbler, and then there was a variety show.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: This year it was like a talent show, which is fun.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so much fun.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: So that happened.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, the second major party of the entire convention, flair.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Back into the hospitality suite.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Flair Chef's Kiss.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Flair, run by Master Plain Jane, throws one hell of a party with games and beverages.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: I believe we were in true Atlanta form.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: I believe we were drinking moonshine.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: You believe.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I believe, I believe Allegedly.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Allegedly Can't prove anything.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Homemade by a local source, not going to say who or how or why.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Got some runners in there too.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: But no, all I'm going to say is allegedly, I believe, it might have contained some absolutely amazing, fucking moonshine.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: I've never had allegedly a moonshine before.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: One hell of a party, one hell of a social event.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: No, fire alarms no fire alarm.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: that time we were good on that night.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I say the wax play.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: They learned their lesson.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Flair brought it and they are giving Onyx a run for their money on the party of the convention.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you Just fighting words.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm just putting it out there.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they said that I mean if you're talking about Hunchpunch versus Alleged Moonshine, I'm just saying Flair's giving Onyx a run for their money.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: I would uh, hmm, Interesting A little bit, a little bit Wow, and then we crash, and then on Sunday you get up 8 am.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: And have breakfast Right.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: And then they have one more set of classes that start at 10.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: They're very gracious, they give us a little extra time to sleep in.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: And then it was kink leadership groups, a lens through the five pillars of trauma-informed care.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: You had values-based productivity for leaders.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: You had community burnout, rise from the ashes, put in the fun and fundraisers.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: And then there was another round table um old guard, leather, relevant or relic.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: So I went to that one.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, great, I'm glad you did that, because I want to know I went to that one again.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: It was by mara um, and mara just has a way of I'm guessing they are of the older generation yes, they have seen some things and they have experiences and they have knowledges.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: They've forgotten more than I've ever learned about leather and kink that title is amazing, relevant or relic um, and it's basically everybody kind of roundtabled and shared experiences of what they're experiencing in their communities with leather, their own paths with leather, the the constant battle between what was and what is and what should be, and how do we, what do we want to instill in our future leather?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: What would we like to see?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: What we, what do we hope they do?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: How can we, you know, make it accessible to where society is today?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Uh, it was.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: It was a great way to end the convention.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: For me, being leather folk, being a leather person, I didn't and if, as you see, like I read all the descriptions of the classes to you and what, this is the first one really that has to do with just leather, so you don't have to be leather to attend this event, but it was really meaningful for me to end the event with a leather class Like a very insightful it was, it was good, it was really good discussion.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: It's really amazing when you have people with different ideologies and different ways of viewing things and the commonality is that we all believe that we are walking a leather path and it's okay that it looks different and it's okay that it's not the same, and your path is never going to be my path and it's not going to look like it did 20, 30 years ago.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: And it shouldn't Because 20, 20, 30 years ago.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: And it shouldn't because 20 or 30 years ago we didn't have the society that we have now.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: We didn't have, we don't have the advances that we have now damn internet and their social media.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: I know and so this was to me.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: This was a really fulfilling way to end the convention for me.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: And then I had to do the mad dash to the airport because of my flight, and just for my flight to be delayed like three hours where I could have attended the closing ceremonies.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, my god and all of that, but no, I missed it because I had a flight that ended up not showing up on time and that was LLC.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: And now I had the honor of presenting last year, I had the great experience of attending this year and I absolutely intend to apply to present next year In.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: LA In LA.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: And even if I don't get chosen, I'm still going.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: So it's going to be.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a fun time, uh, whether I I get the opportunity to present or not yeah, looking forward to it hopefully get to go in la, do the things and talk about it and try the LA peach cobbler, I guess.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know that there is such a thing.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: It's probably some.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Is it really peach cobbler, like if it didn't come from this, if it didn't come from, like, an old southern kitchen?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Is it really?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: what?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: How, the heck?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: As long as a southern person made it, hopefully.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know try.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: That's intent were you trying to make a southern peach cobbler.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: It's LLC's Atlanta peach cobbler is all I can say.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: I'll probably come up with something, for, yeah, that'd be nice if there's a theme.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: And then you're like, oh my God, I need a peach cobbler.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Well, we're in LA, so you got to get the LA thing.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the in LA.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Very health conscious in LA.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actors or something.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: They don't believe in cooking with lard like we do in the South.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Oh Lord, they don't have a Crisco can in their kitchen.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they got more cultures mixing out there too, so you could get some kind of fusion or something.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't have that Crisco can sitting in their cabinet.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, that's so bad, oh goodness.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: Well, if they do, it's for different reasons.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: It's not for making cobbler.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Butt sex.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be great Good job.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: That's not great, that's not good to use to large people.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: No, it is.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: For butt sex.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh, my God For fisting.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, I was talking about actual butt sex.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, why not?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know I need to.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: I've only watched like two videos on cleaning out and fisting play, so I got to re-watch the videos I'm pretty sure they use.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: They said, like oil.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know you do know that there are gay male establishments that they keep buckets of lard around the establishment.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Actual buckets of lard.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, but okay, never mind, I'm going to go into my OCD thing of reusing the same lard.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: You don't reuse the same lard.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: I wonder what's going on.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Anyways, that's another tangent for next time.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: We don't have a closing yet, so we got to do a little outro.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: So, to sum everything up, go to LLC.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Get your tickets, make it a trip.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Make it a trip, make it a vacation.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: It's going to be in LA.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Make a week of it.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: That is leatherleadershiporg, absolutely.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: And go to homepage for me, because I believe they've already posted the dates.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, there we go March 14th through the 16th.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Hilton, lax, so right by the airport.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: And scroll down for me and the theme is leveling up.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Levels up to Los Angeles Breaking news.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Leveling up LLC 2025.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Book your hotel room.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: So exciting.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Level up LLC Okay, only 99 bucks through March 31st.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: It's not bad for a convention.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: $99 for a convention for three days of those kinds of classes you can't get those classes just anywhere.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Not too many conventions are going to be $99.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, even my board game wasn't like $150.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so to wrap up, that was LLC Leather Leadership Conference 2024.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Looking forward to 2025 and seeing what they have in the silent auction or the live auction yeah, let's see.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Hopefully, big plans next year.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll teach next year, we'll see.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: If anything, at the very least come and introduce yourself, because I'll be attending.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: So yeah, we're gonna add that to the list of things that my mother sister will be right next to me, and we are so looking forward to being able to attend it together do you want to plug their stuff?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Silk.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is the owner and runner of silk la uh, and it's an amazing organization.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: You can find them on the website for Silk LA.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what that is.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: It is a female only play party, a no men allowed play party, and they alternate venues that they do their parties at.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: They offer education.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Do you know what the website is?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: If you just Google Silk.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: La la, it'll come up okay, um, they have an instagram page, they have a website.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Now that's got both.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: You know silk la and silk orlando on it and, um, she is my leather sister, she is my bestie, she is.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: I cannot.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: I could do a whole episode on how amazing this person is, and we have done multiple podcasts together.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: Uh, we've sat and we have taught and she's just, she is an amazing human, absolutely amazing human so you can catch all that.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: And she will be there.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: You'll get both of us at the same time which is a rarity.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: Good luck to LA.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: We're going to be together at this convention.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: That's it for now.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: We're going to need that moonshine and hunch punch.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, Would they bring it.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: You mean alleged moonshine.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Alleged moonshine, alleged moonshine, alleged moonshine, but not alleged hunch punch yeah.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Nationally known.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: You definitely know that, hunch punch going on there all over the country.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, so outro, Catch us here around the Kinky Campfires, Miss Rue and Julius, if you want to call me that.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: New episodes most of the time every second and fourth Thursdays on all the major platforms.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Check us out at CampfireKinksters, all the Ks around the Kinky Campfire.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Ks everywhere.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: I keep forgetting to say that we got Ks everywhere.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: And then solo episodes every first and third Thursdays of the month, for the most part.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: But that is it for now.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Should we do an ASMR minute at the end?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Please don't.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: I.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Should we do an ASMR minute at the end?
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Please don't.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: I'm actually saying please, alright, and who are you?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: This is Rue.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: I'm Batty Coda Julius.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: It's around the Kinky Campfire, see y'all.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: You'll hear us later.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Goodbye and hello.