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New Scrutiny on Sheriff’s Decisions as Nancy Guthrie Investigation Drags On · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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  Well, so much today is happening in the world of true crime, so
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  many new stories breaking, some tragedy that is coming to the
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  end of some of the stories. That was horribly said.
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  Javi. Can I get a take two on that?
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  There are tragic endings to some of the stories that we've been
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  following over the last couple of weeks.
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  And in the case of Nancy Guthrie, it seems like really
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  nothing is happening. I don't know that, but it feels
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  like nothing is happening, and I'm hoping that I'm wrong.
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  I'm also for the first time trying to stream to two
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  different places at once, and I'm not sure if it's happening.
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  So if you're joining me from Facebook, I'm glad you're here,
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  guys. We're going to get into the
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  Nancy Guthrie story. We're going to talk about a
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  couple of tragic stories, including a new arrest out of
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  the 19 kids and Counting the Duggars.
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  We've got an identification of a body in Spain.
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  We've we've just got so much happening.
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  We're going to get to it all. Stay with me.
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  This video contains mature themes and discussions intended
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  only for adult audiences. Viewer discretion is advised.
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  Hello there my friend, and welcome back to another true
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  crime conversation. And that's what this is, a
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  conversation. If you're on YouTube, I am going
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  to be keeping my eye on the live chat For the rest of you.
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  I thank you for joining me wherever you're joining me from.
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  You could be on Facebook, you could be on Spotify, you might
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  be on X kind of depends on what my system is doing.
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  But yeah, wherever you're joining me from, thank you for
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  doing that. And in the in the live chat and
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  in the comments, tell me where you're joining me from.
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  I love to know that we're being listened to and watched far and
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  wide. Bonus points if you can do it in
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  a creative way. So today we are diving back into
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  the case of missing 84 year old Tucson woman Nancy Guthrie.
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  This isn't the only story we're going to be talking about.
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  We are going to be talking about former American Idol star.
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  We're going to be talking about a mom who looked locked her kids
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  in a storage unit, a couple accused of using a 14 year old
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  as a surrogate, the 19 kids and counting star charged with some
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  CA and the missing Alabama student who the the breaking
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  news is his his body has been found near a nightclub in Spain.
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  We're going to get to that all, but we're going to start out
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  with Nancy Guthrie. Now if you're on YouTube and
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  you're new here, if you use GF in your comment, which stands
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  for my name, Gavin Fish, not girlfriend or anything else
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  gluten free. No, it does not stand for gluten
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  free. It stands for Gavin fish.
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  But what it does is on my side. It highlights your your comment
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  so that I can see it. So there's something that you
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  definitely want me to see. Put GF in the comment.
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  And without further ado, let's go ahead and dive in.
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  This was published on parade.com.
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  It's our, I was about to say, our old buddy Michelle Stein.
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  I don't know Miss Stein, but we've read several of her
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  pieces. She does some very, very good
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  work. And as you guys know, Sheriff
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  Chris Nanos is kind of kind in hot water right now.
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  I, I wouldn't like he hasn't done anything illegal.
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  It's just people in Tucson aren't all that pleased with
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  him. There is a recall effort
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  underway and Michelle reports to us.
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  Headline says how Sheriff Chris Nanos recall could affect the
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  investigation. Retired FBI agent speculates and
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  Michelle is reporting based on Bryan Enton's reporting from
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  yesterday. Here's what Michelle has to say
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  in the Wednesday, March 18th episode of Bryan Enton
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  Investigates News Nation senior investigative reporter Bryan
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  Enton. Brian looks too young, by the
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  way, guys, I break into, if you're new, I break into
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  tangents all the time. If you don't like it, this might
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  not be the place for you. Now, don't let the Gray hair
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  fool you, Brian. He looks like a young man to me.
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  Either that or he is maybe consuming the blood of children
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  or something to keep his face and skin young.
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  He's got that glorious Gray hair, but how is he their senior
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  investigative reporter? He looks like he's 15 years old.
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  Nevermind Gavin. News Nation senior investigative
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  reporter Brian Enten spoke with former FBI Special Agent Maureen
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  O'Connell about the situation. Quote, I really hate being
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  critical of my fellow law enforcement officers, but I just
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  don't know what to think about this guy, O'Connell admitted of
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  Nanos continuing the quote my understanding from reporting
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  that Megyn Kelly did the other day that he had something like a
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  95% disapproval rating before this case, which is pretty
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  shocking. Is that correct?
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  Do you think that is correct? You know, it's really easy.
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  I I told you guys yesterday I exaggerate a billion times a
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  day. One of my other favorite quotes
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  is statistics are made-up 86% of statistics are made-up on the
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  spot. I also like there are lies, damn
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  lies and statistics, right? So let's just look that up and
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  see if we can find out if that is correct.
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  Let's see if anything has to do. Let's see if I can find this.
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  You guys are like, you could have done this before the show
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  gallon. OK, Pima County Sheriff Chris
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  Nanos re election won re election November of 2024 with a
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  narrow 50.1% of the vote. So there's that.
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  As of March 2026, his approval. Is there a let me see this is
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  reporting out of oh, this is an AP report of all places.
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  Guys, I'm going to show you this of all places.
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  This is an AP report out of the Derrick in Western Pennsylvania.
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  Is the Derrick is based in Oil City?
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  Let's see if it has. If the AP says something about
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  approval. No, it doesn't say anything.
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  So I don't know. This just seems to be Miss
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  O'connell's opinion, she continued.
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  So if these people feel it's time for him to go, it might
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  just be time for him to go. It's unfortunate, but I don't
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  know. When asked if Nanos is being
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  ousted as sheriff would have an impact on Nancy Guthrie's case,
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  O'Connell replied. No, the continuity, no, it would
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  not, because it's not like he's holding the whole thing
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  together. And I think that that's probably
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  a fair statement. I should have gotten.
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  You know, what I have yet to do is have a picture of Sheriff
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  Nanos ready to go. I should do that.
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  Javi, You know, Javi, what are you doing?
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  Guys? I shouldn't be yelling at Javi.
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  Javi, you're doing a great job. All of those toggles are
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  toggling. All of those knobs are rotating
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  freely. You're doing a great job.
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  It is my fault. I didn't ask.
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  I didn't ask. I need a picture of Sheriff
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  Nanos, but Sheriff Nanos has been saying that it's his
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  investigators that are working on it.
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  On the other hand, people like Aaron Cross have been saying
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  he's micromanaging it. So what's O'Connell?
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  O'Connell is saying no, the continuity.
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  No it would not because it's not like he's holding the whole
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  thing together. The recall effort launched on
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  March 2nd, the Pima County Elections Department confirmed.
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  Among those gathering signatures with a goal of removing Nanos
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  from office is Daniel Gutierrez, a Republican congressional
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  candidate in Arizona. More than 120,000 signatures
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  must be collected in 120 days. We're aware of the recall and
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  it's the right of the people, Nanos told KOLD on March 17th.
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  We'll always honor the will of the people and that's what makes
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  Democracy. I this is, this is a bit of a
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  tangent, guys. This is a tangent.
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  Let's go for it. It bothers me.
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  It just, it just, I don't know why do I let it bother me?
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  The quotes like this will always the honor the will of the people
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  and that's what makes democracy. We don't live in a democracy.
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  Oh, my goodness. We don't live in a democracy.
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  For those of you who are outside of the United States, we live in
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  what's called a Republic. Now, there are democratic
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  elements of the Republic, but we will honor, always honor, the
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  will of the people. That's what makes democracy OK.
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  I'm just, you know what? Maybe I'm in a bad mood.
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  I've had a great day, but maybe I'm in a bad mood.
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  Maybe I'm tired. I could I just, Gavin, just let
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  it go? OK.
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  But you know, this quote from Sheriff Nanos would make me vote
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  against keeping him in office. Like dude, come on man.
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  All right. Nancy was last seen at her
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  Catalina Foothills residence on the evening of January 31st.
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  The Pima County Sheriff's Department launched its search
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  for the 84 year old on February 1st and as of this writing, no
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  suspect has been named. And to my knowledge, that is
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  still the case. That was a tiring.
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  That was a tiring article. You know what I need to do.
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  You know what we need to do? We need to have a little
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  transition music. Let's let's do some transition
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  music. And then we're going to get into
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  your comments. We're going to bring up Nancy.
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  Let's just clear the palette a little bit as we listen to the
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  transition music. close your eyes, OK.
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  Can you see? I can feel it.
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  I feel much better. OK.
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  I'm Goddess 1950 says I'm too tired to be creative.
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  Erie, PA is in the house. Thank you very much for being
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  here. Northeast Missouri is here.
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  North Carolina is here. Beckley, WV.
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  Thank you for being here. I'm doing my best.
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  I'm multitasking. Wishing everyone a thankful
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  Thursday from the Isle of Devils, Bermuda.
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  You know, Nikki, you get all of you get all of the bonus points.
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  It's new everyday. You do such a great job.
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  Oregon in the house, Melbourne is in the house.
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  Eastern Kentucky. Wait a minute, wait a minute.
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  Cal Gal 5752 is coming to us from Abu Dhabi.
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  Hey. And listen, Cal Gal, I am very
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  aware of what is happening in that part of the world.
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  I wish you safety and health. Thanks for joining us.
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  Lakeland, FL is here. Kansas City, MO, the original
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  Washington Razorback Nation. We got Arkansas in the house.
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  We have got watching from a city where Ted Bundy left a victim in
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  Colorado. Oh my goodness.
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  OK, San Jose is here. Good to see you, Emmy.
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  Suffolk is here. Yes, yes.
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  Doxies 3. Doxies 1.
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  Prince, the Duggars are back in the news.
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  Jacksonville is here. Thank you for being here.
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  Calgary, AB Canada Barb is here. Glad you are here along standing
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  alongside our polite and wonderful neighbors from the
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  north. Thanks for being here.
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  Let's see. Hey Marie, you're welcome for
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  giving all the updates. Thank you for being a member for
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  the past eight months, Elizabeth Mcmaster's Esquire says.
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  I think Brian Anton is 40 or close to it.
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  I don't know, man. That Gray hair surely does make
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  him feel like he's in his 40s. And that's a proper adult.
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  That's somebody with with a fully formed cerebellum, for
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  example. But he's just, he's just so
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  young looking and youthful. Maybe this is just jealousy.
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  This is Envy speaking here. Butner Fly is listening from a
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  holler in the mountains of North Carolina.
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  Thank you very much for being here.
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  Butner Fly. Scotch's mom on Nanos.
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  I mean, I didn't see your first comment.
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  Scotch's mom didn't didn't show up.
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  Let's see. Gavin, Deputy Sheriff Cross,
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  head of the union, said he had a 98% disapproval in the union.
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  He said this on STS and other shows.
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  Thank you, Wanda. Thank you very much.
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  And and the union is a different thing than the electorate, of
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  course. Right.
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  And am I splitting hairs a little bit, a little bit real
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  happy says Brian turns 41 in April.
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  OK, I'll allow him to be the senior investigative
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  correspondent. I'll allow it.
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  I'll allow it. Getting back to Wanda's comment,
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  the the disapproval in the union will be very different than the
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  than the approval or disapproval rating in the electorate.
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  Now, I'm not defending Sheriff Nanos like this has been a clown
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  show. It's been really, really tough
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  to to watch. But can he survive a recall?
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  I don't know. Continuing along that that
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  comment, CIWPR Gavin, it was the union dude Aaron Cross who said
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  in interviews that they had taken a survey amongst members
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  which generated that high number of disapproval rate.
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  Thank you very much. Brian stated he's 40.
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  OK, Well, I think I think Brian, listen Brian and you know that I
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  respect you and I think that you do terrific work.
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  I'm not just blowing sunshine. I like we, we talk about you a
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  lot around here, but I think you might be a vampire that I mean
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  the, the sparkly friendly kind, not the, not the, the, you know,
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  Prince of Darkness living in the Transylvania mountains of
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  Romania kind. I think you're the sparkly
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  Oregon kind. But the the youthfulness, man,
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  the youthfulness is I I don't get it.
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  I, I it's it's amazing. It's amazing.
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  OK, Gavin, stop it. Gavin, stop it.
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  Is it possible to have Brian Hinton on here?
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  Yeah. I, I am not friends with Brian.
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  I, I, I should reach out because he seems like a nice guy.
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  Real happy Says I would like Brian's skin care routine.
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  You know what? There's only one skin care
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  routine that matters. OK, there's one skin care
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  routine that matters. I'm going to get it for you.
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  Give me just a second. I'm going to get it for you
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  here. My delicious skin in this video
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  is brought to you by Irish Spring.
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  I get asked all the time about my skin care routine.
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  People want to know. Gavin, what's your secret?
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  How do you keep your skin looking so good?
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  Well I'll tell you, it's Irish Spring.
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  Every time I shower I use it on my face.
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  No serums, No 10 step regimens, just Irish Spring.
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  And it works. My skin stays clean, refreshed
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  and balanced. A lot of skin care products
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  promise hydration, deep cleansing, even anti aging
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  benefits. Irish Spring, it just does the
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  feeling incredible without the hassle.
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  So if you're over complicating your skin care, maybe it's time
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  to simplify. Trust me Irish Spring, it's all
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  you need. Oh the days of fat Gavin, large
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  bearded, short haired Gavin. But Irish Springs where it's at
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  man, may I? I bet I would.
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  I would wager the Brian Enton's skin care routine.
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  I I feel like there's a long tangent.
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  Robin saying. Sounds like a bromance, my dude.
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  Well, I'm a little jealous. OK, I'm a little jealous.
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  Yeah. I bet it's Irish Spring.
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  I bet that's what it is. Plus being a sparkly vampire.
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  Mooney has been in a member for two years.
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  Two years. Is that possible?
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  Mooney, Congratulations and thank you.
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  Those two years did fly by. And thank you for the
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  compliment. Deeply appreciate it.
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  Let's see, Diane says I have a friend whose hair to pure white
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  in her 20s. She's now 70 and looks like
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  she's in her 50s. I'm just yeah, I I went out to
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  brunch when I was back in California with some old
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  friends. And our friend Dawn, she is
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  looking amazingly beautiful. And all of us are, are 50 years
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  old, 50 and 51. It's crazy.
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  I it it's fun to see healthy, healthy people that you love.
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  Right. OK, let's get on with it.
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  Gavin. That, that was a long tangent,
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  dude. Should I finish?
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  No, I'm we don't need to get into any more musical anything.
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  Let me get on to the next. This is a long article.
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  I'm not going to read the whole thing.
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  This is in CNN written by Selena Tibor or Tibor, but it gives us
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  a little insight as to what is happening on the ground there in
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  Tucson. This came out today, Headline
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  reads. Six weeks after Nancy Guthrie
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  vanished, the spotlight in Tucson dims as the cloud of
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  uncertainty lingers. All right, Dateline, Tucson,
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  Tucson. The residents of the Catalina
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  foothills are friendly, offering good mornings and waves to
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  passers by on the street. They're also private.
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  Towering Saguaro cacti and long, winding driveways shroud nearly
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  every house in the affluent neighborhood north of Tucson.
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  For those who chose the hillside community for the quiet escape
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  it offers, the privacy has been encroached upon.
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  Over much of the past six weeks, swarms of media outlets and law
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  enforcement officers descended on the community when Nancy
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  Guthrie, the Mutter mother, not Mutter, the mother of today's
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  show anchor Savannah Guthrie, went missing from her home on
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  February 1st, the suspected victim of an abduction.
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  The case quickly captured the attention of the nation,
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  attracting intense media coverage and obsession from
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  online sleuths as questions, some still yet to be answered,
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  swirled about ransom notes and DNA from discarded gloves.
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  But in her own neighborhood, almost no one wants to talk
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  about Guthrie. It's an enigma, said David
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  Holter, among the few people around here willing to talk
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  about her mysterious disappearance.
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  Holter, who lives about a mile away, remembers A suitcase
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  stolen off a porch and a bicycle swiped.
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  That's the extent of the crime he could recall in the Catalina
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  foothills and the decades he's lived here.
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  But the atmosphere has shifted. I've been hearing neighbors talk
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  about putting safe rooms in their house since Guthrie's
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  disappearance, Holter said. I, I would, I would pause here
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  for those of you who are joining us from Tucson and you're in a
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  safe neighborhood and you're in, you're in the Catalina foothills
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  and nothing like this has ever happened.
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  I, I don't think having a safe room would have saved Nancy
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  Guthrie. She's 84 years old, cardiac
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  patient, has a pacemaker, has heart medication.
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  I, I, you know, often times we want to do something and the
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  remedy that we choose would not have prevented the problem in
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  the 1st place. I think, I hope, I mean Sheriff
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  Guthrie, not Guthrie. Dang it.
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  Sheriff Nanos has planted the seeds of maybe doubt about my
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  next statement, but I do feel like this is a one off.
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  This isn't happening. This isn't going to be happening
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  anymore, I don't think. I, oh, I hope not.
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  I don't think a safe room would save you.
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  I think having lots of cameras that are visible that people can
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  see, I think having a security system that stores video and
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  photos for long periods of time is good.
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  And I think having a police presence out there would be
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  good. I don't think a safe room would
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  help. Doesn't matter, OK?
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  This weekday morning in the tucked away neighborhood is
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  quiet, the silence only broken by chirping birds or the wind
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  blowing against the dry vegetation.
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  No law enforcement vehicles, no news crews.
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  And Holter's wife, for one, is glad.
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  It's enough already. She said, exasperated, as she
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  walked off. A little bit more I want to read
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  here. Indeed, the seemingly endless
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  lines of cars and news vans parked outside Guthrie's home
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  during the early days of the investigation are gone, replaced
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  by orange cones along the road shoulder.
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  Savannah Guthrie has two returned to New York City from
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  her native Tucson in the dusty foothills.
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  They're parked. And that is an indication to me
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  that she has decided in her heart that her mom is no longer
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  her mom, sadly, is most likely in a shallow grave somewhere in
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  the desert. And I'm sorry to say it that
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  way, it's crass and unfeeling, but I think that's the way it is
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  in the dusty foothills, continues the article.
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  There are parking restrictions within 1/2 mile in every
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  direction of the Guthrie House and a frame stands warning the
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  Pima County Sheriff's Department will strictly enforce the
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  prohibitions under a no trespassing sign staked in front
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  of the house. Another sign reads.
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  Dear media, this neighborhood needs space to process, heal and
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  gather in privacy. As a loving community, please
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  cover this tragedy from elsewhere so that we may have
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  some privacy, space and dignity. There are no national or local
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  media outlets setting up for live broadcasts on this searing
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  hot afternoon. But there is John de Petro, an
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  independent journalist live streaming on TikTok, who could
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  recall with remarkable precision where each outlet was stationed
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  at the height of the frenzy. There was News Nation over
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  there, he said, pointing to the side of the road.
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  Fox and Friends next to them, whatever MSNBC is now, he
• 25:11
  continued, pointing a finger at a different spot on the road
• 25:14
  each time he rattled off an outlet.
• 25:16
  ABC, Good Morning American Eric Aaron Katersky, CNN on the
• 25:20
  corner, NBC next to them, and then stations from LA and local
• 25:23
  stations. Gone to is the heavy law
• 25:26
  enforcement presence that for days scoured every square inch
• 25:30
  of Nancy Guthrie's property, which spans thousands of square
• 25:34
  feet. The most consistent visitors now
• 25:36
  are streamers like Depetro, who flew from Rhode Island early in
• 25:40
  the investigation and said he never expected to stay so long.
• 25:43
  I thought it was maybe going to be a manhunt, and then so I'll
• 25:47
  just fly out for the week, he said.
• 25:49
  And now it's Day 44. I'm still here.
• 25:52
  So is Damian Enderley, another streamer who drives by holding
• 25:55
  his Take two, holding his arm out the window with a red
• 26:01
  Gatorade for Di Petro. His daily live streams rack up
• 26:04
  thousands of views, and he said interest in the case from his
• 26:07
  loyal audience hasn't dissipated.
• 26:10
  What I do with my YouTube channel is keep the story alive,
• 26:13
  The Tucson native said. The Tucson native.
• 26:16
  So that's that's Damian Enderley.
• 26:21
  Maybe I should reach out to Damian.
• 26:24
  Anyway, it does feel like a winding down and I don't know,
• 26:32
  that just saddens me because we have this woman that is
• 26:38
  Desaparecida, right? She's, she's just gone.
• 26:41
  She disappeared and nobody seems to know where she is.
• 26:47
  And I don't have confidence that Pima County sheriff's are going
• 26:53
  to be able to solve it. I, I don't want to say that out
• 26:57
  loud. And what does it matter?
• 26:58
  I'm just me, right? Just some dude on a YouTube
• 27:03
  channel, but it saddens me and I hope that I'm wrong.
• 27:08
  I really do hope I'm wrong. Let me go see if you guys are
• 27:13
  saying anything over on on the live chat.
• 27:18
  Let's see, Elizabeth McMaster, Esquire Gavin probably not using
• 27:24
  equate products like you and my husband Irish Spring.
• 27:28
  Elizabeth Wanda says Gavin Nanos is very vindictive.
• 27:35
  He demotes people that go against him.
• 27:37
  Sheriff Cross or Deputy Cross was put on a desk usually
• 27:41
  reserved for injured officers. That's that's what I understand.
• 27:47
  Gavin come back to the Bay Area. Barry is actually not my
• 27:51
  favorite place in the world. I'm from Sacramento, which is
• 27:58
  maybe my favorite place in the world.
• 28:00
  Thank you, Anna, says Gavin. The reaction about the safe room
• 28:05
  is because these people have learned that they're safe,
• 28:07
  community isn't truly as safe as they believed it to be.
• 28:12
  Yeah, I get you. I get it.
• 28:14
  I just, you know, often times we think of of we think of things
• 28:20
  that we think would be helpful and actually aren't.
• 28:24
  Now, I guess if you're a younger person, you're not 84, you don't
• 28:28
  have heart condition, you have the ability, your ambulatory,
• 28:32
  you have the ability to get around quickly in your house.
• 28:35
  Maybe a safe room would be a good idea, but I I don't think
• 28:37
  that the place is unsafe, I guess is what I'm getting at.
• 28:41
  But thank you, Anna. Appreciate that.
• 28:46
  See if there's anything else you guys want me to see before I
• 28:48
  move on. Pammy says, oh wow, your AI skin
• 28:52
  care video. How dare you, Pammy AIAI.
• 28:56
  No, that footage is real. It's funny.
• 28:59
  You make me laugh. Yes, I'm still behind, but
• 29:01
  quickly approaching Ground Zero. OK, she's got it on double speed
• 29:04
  everybody. She's she's catching up.
• 29:06
  Okey dokey. That's all we have on Nancy
• 29:12
  Guthrie for today. Boy, I hope that we get an
• 29:15
  actual update on this case some sometime.
• 29:18
  And I think that the channel we're we're going to have to
• 29:20
  probably start moving on and there are lots of stories, man.
• 29:25
  There are lots of stories that we're going to get to in
• 29:27
  headlines. But before we do, let's dig in,
• 29:31
  shall we? To three questions.
• 29:32
  Here we go. Okey Dokey, In the three
• 29:41
  question segment, everybody, I answer three of your questions
• 29:45
  that you send to me by e-mail. Three questions at
• 29:48
  gavinfish.com. It's filled out THRE questions
• 29:51
  again, THREE questions at gavinfish.com and I put them on
• 29:57
  a little listaroo, little little spreadsheet of Rooney and I
• 30:02
  choose the ones that I like the best.
• 30:04
  I promise that I will answer all of them, but I get to do it in
• 30:08
  the order that I see fit, not the order in which they are
• 30:10
  received. You can send in one question.
• 30:13
  You can send in 100 question. You can send in 100 emails each
• 30:16
  with one question. However you want to do it, just
• 30:19
  know that it is within my power as the benevolent YouTube and
• 30:26
  three question answerer to choose the order in which I
• 30:30
  answer them. Question #1 here we go.
• 30:34
  John asks. And by the way, I love it when
• 30:37
  you guys have answers to these two.
• 30:39
  Tell me in the comments, what very first and most recent
• 30:44
  concerts did you attend? John, first of all, I don't know
• 30:49
  if you guys know this, it's pretty apparent, but about 90%
• 30:54
  of my audience is female. And I think this might be the
• 30:58
  first man who was sent in a question.
• 31:01
  John, thank you very much. The question, what are my first
• 31:06
  and most recent concerts? I think my first concert was
• 31:09
  Heart. Is it Arco Arena in Sacramento,
• 31:14
  CA in about 89? Something like that.
• 31:23
  My most recent concert. Goodness.
• 31:26
  See, I'm not a live music person.
• 31:29
  I not not not. I'm not a concert goer, let's
• 31:34
  put it that way. I will occasionally go to
• 31:42
  Symphony and more often it will be where there will be live.
• 31:46
  Live music would be like a musical, a play, some live
• 31:50
  theater. I hardly ever go to live
• 31:54
  concerts. And the reason why is I am a
• 31:57
  recorded music aficionado. And it's funny because and I
• 32:01
  worked in high end audio for a lot of years.
• 32:03
  And so, you know, training your ear to the art of listening to
• 32:07
  recordings is something that I spent years doing.
• 32:11
  And and I just think that artists do their very best work
• 32:15
  in a studio. The irony, of course, is when we
• 32:20
  would listen in, you know, in fact, I think on my Facebook
• 32:24
  today on my personal Facebook account, let me show you this
• 32:28
  that came up on my memories. Let's see, was a photo of one of
• 32:38
  my earliest sound systems in my home.
• 32:42
  Not well, it wasn't really one of my earliest.
• 32:45
  It was one of the early ones. Let me see if I can find that
• 32:49
  for you guys. It'll be in my memories.
• 32:51
  Just kind of show you the the kind of stuff that that I used
• 32:58
  to, I used to do. I think that was today that it
• 33:03
  came up. Yeah.
• 33:06
  OK, So going on over to the old website over here, this was a
• 33:13
  obviously it's not completely set up here, but this was my
• 33:16
  listening room at our house in 2012.
• 33:21
  So I'm listening to Wilson audio speakers.
• 33:24
  I've got a light harmonic DAC, some past labs, amplification
• 33:30
  preamp and MIT cables interfaces.
• 33:36
  You know, this is high end system and I, you know, I don't
• 33:40
  have, I haven't got the speakers spiked yet.
• 33:42
  I think I was setting this up at this time.
• 33:44
  We had just moved into this house.
• 33:46
  But I mean, if we just kind of add this up, I don't even know
• 33:50
  what this stuff costs anymore. But that's certainly, I don't
• 33:56
  know, I don't know, high what $180,000 range for that stereo.
• 34:08
  And I love listening to music through systems like this.
• 34:13
  I don't have this system anymore, but I love listening
• 34:17
  through systems like this because I think that artists do
• 34:23
  their best work in the recording studio.
• 34:25
  But what I was going to say is that when we would listen like
• 34:28
  this, everybody would. All the manufacturers, including
• 34:31
  me, would say stuff like, you know, this is how the artist
• 34:34
  intended it to be listened to. And that is, looking back on it,
• 34:38
  it's so, so much BS because the artist couldn't listen to it
• 34:45
  through anything remotely good enough compared to this.
• 34:51
  So anyway, as an audiophile, I, I don't, I just don't attend
• 34:55
  concerts. That that's a long, long winded
• 35:00
  answer to your question. I know.
• 35:04
  But yeah, it's very seldom. And sometimes I'll be like
• 35:08
  invited to a concert and I'm like, I, I like their album.
• 35:13
  Not horrible. It's so hoity toity.
• 35:17
  My nose is so in the air on that stuff.
• 35:20
  But that's, that's the way I am. That's, that's just the way I
• 35:24
  am. Question #2 comes to us from
• 35:29
  Natalie. I think I'm pronouncing your
• 35:31
  name correctly. What types of music or artists
• 35:34
  absolutely annoy you? Oh, this is the inverse of the
• 35:37
  typical question of what kind of music do I love?
• 35:42
  What types of music annoy me? I have a really hard time with
• 35:47
  anything that is outside the kind of Pythagorean Greek music
• 35:56
  theory world, right? So, so getting into some of the
• 36:00
  crazy stuff from like India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, the kind
• 36:04
  of that part of the world where it's not following the, the
• 36:10
  mathematically connected or the geometrically connected style of
• 36:17
  music that we listen to here in the States.
• 36:21
  I just, I just have a hard time with it.
• 36:23
  And even early stuff that isn't, is Western, but still hasn't
• 36:30
  evolved into, let's say where we started it with the classics,
• 36:37
  right at the early classical music on to today.
• 36:41
  I have a real hard time with that stuff.
• 36:43
  But when it comes to so, yeah, I don't listen to Ravi Shankar.
• 36:48
  Shankar, right? I never listened to Ravi
• 36:50
  Shankar, never listened to any of that.
• 36:52
  I just, I just don't get it. I and and it's so dissonant to
• 36:56
  me. It just feels so strange.
• 36:59
  And I know that actually specifically Ravi Shankar was a
• 37:05
  was somebody who did influence people like George Harrison, who
• 37:10
  has influenced, you know, Western music since the 60s.
• 37:14
  So well, probably the 70s in that case.
• 37:17
  But so I get how important it is.
• 37:21
  I just don't like it, you know, I, I don't like coarseness for
• 37:30
  coarseness sake. And what is the name?
• 37:36
  What is the name of the artist? What is her name?
• 37:41
  Give me a second. I can't remember her name.
• 37:49
  Was it? Was it Megan the stallion who is
• 37:54
  like a flautist? I'm trying to think.
• 38:05
  No, it's Lizzo. It's Lizzo who is like an
• 38:10
  accomplished flautist, Like, this is a person with musical
• 38:15
  freaking chops, right? But the music is so coarse that
• 38:21
  it's just not for me. And it annoys me.
• 38:23
  And I, I think that it, you know, and it's not like I'm some
• 38:27
  great guardian of the, you know, of the musical community or, or
• 38:37
  whatever people, people have the right and can do whatever it is
• 38:41
  that they want. As long as you're not hurting
• 38:43
  others. I'm, I'm happy about it.
• 38:44
  But, but the music is so coarse that I just, I think that it
• 38:48
  does our society a disservice. And I'm hoping that it doesn't
• 38:54
  get worse that it were we're in a cycle because certainly in the
• 38:58
  30s, for example, there was coarse music and it was during
• 39:02
  the time of of great frustration, right.
• 39:06
  So I mean, there's a very good reason why that music existed in
• 39:09
  the in the late 20s all through the 30s up until the 40s, very
• 39:14
  coarse, not well beyond suggestive music that was
• 39:18
  popular. So maybe it's cyclical.
• 39:23
  I don't know. I'm just trying to say defender
• 39:25
  of society. I'm not that people can do what
• 39:28
  they want, but that's, that's how that's how I'd answer that
• 39:32
  question. Just with the course music and
• 39:34
  then the non non Pythagorean style music.
• 39:40
  And I don't know if you want me to get into that a little bit
• 39:42
  more, I can. Kate says.
• 39:47
  Having grown up in California and currently living in
• 39:49
  Pennsylvania, what is your favorite climate to live in?
• 39:54
  Guys, I want your answers to these questions.
• 39:56
  When we were looking for an adventure to take our family on,
• 40:00
  we specifically were looking for a four climate area.
• 40:04
  What we were, what I, what was very important to me is that we
• 40:08
  were not living in a hotter than like Satan's basketball court
• 40:15
  kind of place. I do not want to live in
• 40:17
  Florida. I don't want to live in
• 40:18
  Louisiana, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona.
• 40:22
  I don't want to live in the South.
• 40:25
  It's just too hot for me. And when I lived in Argentina,
• 40:29
  man, oh, sweating through those Argentine summers, no air
• 40:34
  conditioning, no like ventilation of any kind.
• 40:39
  I said to myself, self, you're going to have an air conditioner
• 40:44
  all of your life and you're going to live in a place that's
• 40:47
  comfortable. Now Sacramento is a hot place,
• 40:49
  but we got air conditioning there, right.
• 40:53
  I would say though, here in Pennsylvania, the winter is too
• 40:57
  long for my wife. It is it's definitely too long
• 41:01
  for my wife. She, she's a California girl.
• 41:04
  She needs the sunshine, she needs the beach, she needs the
• 41:07
  smell of salt. She needs the wind, right, the
• 41:12
  salty breeze. And she just needs that vitamin
• 41:15
  C. So, yeah, I think, I think my,
• 41:19
  my ideal climate is like San Diego, probably.
• 41:25
  Yeah. Tell me, guys.
• 41:26
  Tell me what you think. And while you're thinking about
• 41:28
  those things, let's move on to a couple of headlines that are
• 41:33
  making news in the world of true crime.
• 41:36
  But while we're going over those, tell us, tell me your
• 41:38
  comments in the live chat. True crime headlines.
• 41:47
  Okey Dokey. This is a follow up to, you
• 41:52
  know, an charge that happened a couple of months ago.
• 41:55
  But Caleb Flynn, an American Idol alum, was indicted for the
• 41:59
  murder of his pregnant wife, Dateline.
• 42:02
  Troy, OH, a former contestant. This comes to us by Court TV.
• 42:06
  By the way. A former contestant on the
• 42:08
  reality TV series American Idol has been formally indicted on
• 42:11
  charges that he murdered his wife and unborn child.
• 42:14
  Caleb Flynn was indicted on multiple counts of murder as
• 42:18
  well as tampering with evidence and other charges by a Miami
• 42:21
  County, Ohio grand jury. The charges mirror those he
• 42:24
  initially faced when he was arrested in February, and we
• 42:27
  covered that here on this channel.
• 42:30
  At Flynn's arraignment on Thursday, Judge Stacey Wall set
• 42:33
  his bond at three and a half, $1,000,000, an increase from the
• 42:36
  2 million he had previously faced.
• 42:39
  If he posts bond, it will be under strict house to house
• 42:43
  arrest and he will not be allowed any contact contact with
• 42:46
  the Victor victims, minor children, Caleb Flynn's wife,
• 42:51
  Ashley Flynn. So that would I think that would
• 42:53
  be his children. Well, I don't know.
• 42:55
  Was found dead in the couple's home on February 16th after a
• 42:59
  911 call. 911 Gavin's tripping over my tongue after a 911 call
• 43:04
  claiming that there was a burglary in process in progress.
• 43:09
  Hey, Javi, maybe throw some water on me, man.
• 43:11
  I'm having a hard time. Wanda, can you calm me down?
• 43:14
  Can you just calm me down just a little bit?
• 43:17
  Perfect. Thank you, Wanda.
• 43:19
  I'm going to slow it on down. Caleb Flynn's wife, Ashley
• 43:25
  Flynn, was found dead in the couple's home on February 16th
• 43:28
  after a 911 call claiming that there was a burglary in progress
• 43:33
  and a resident in the home had been shot.
• 43:37
  After an extensive investigation, investigators
• 43:39
  said they believe that Caleb Flynn staged the burglary and
• 43:43
  killed the victim himself. Ashley Flynn was pregnant at the
• 43:46
  time of her death, and Caleb Flynn faces charges for the
• 43:49
  murder of the unborn child as well.
• 43:54
  So there we are on that one coming to us from Lawn Crime.
• 43:58
  Guys, I debated sharing this one with you.
• 44:00
  Oh, this one just angers me. Written by Jerry Lamb.
• 44:05
  And Jerry doesn't anger me. Jerry's a good reporter.
• 44:08
  And Lawn Crime, thank you for bringing us this.
• 44:10
  It's just the story kills me. Mom who locked six kids
• 44:15
  including newborn and putrid storage unit overnight with only
• 44:21
  bucket for toilet will avoid prison.
• 44:24
  Guys, there are crimes where we cannot be lenient.
• 44:33
  Those include crimes against children.
• 44:36
  My goodness. A 26 year old mother in
• 44:39
  Wisconsin will avoid prison after she and her husband were
• 44:43
  caught leaving their six children, four of whom were
• 44:46
  under the age of 6, locked inside a storage unit overnight
• 44:51
  with only a bucket to use as a restroom.
• 44:57
  Oh, this just. A Milwaukee County judge on
• 45:01
  Thursday stayed a prison sentence for Azia C Zelensky in
• 45:09
  favor of probation after the mother pleaded guilty to two
• 45:13
  misdemeanor counts of child neglect Neglect.
• 45:17
  Zelensky's husband, Charles Dupriest, was convicted of child
• 45:21
  neglect in January. During Thursday's sentencing
• 45:26
  hearing, prosecutors recommended 18 months in a state
• 45:29
  Correctional Facility to be stayed for three years of
• 45:32
  probation provided she complete and alcohol and drug abuse
• 45:36
  assessment, parenting class, mental health treatment and
• 45:40
  maintain complete sobriety. Yeah, like the the chances of
• 45:44
  that happening are nil. Put her in prison.
• 45:50
  The state chose not to delve into the underlying facts of
• 45:53
  Zelensky's crimes, only referring to the ordeal as a,
• 45:57
  quote, tremendously sad case for the six child victims.
• 46:02
  This deal kills me. It just kills me.
• 46:06
  So, yeah, she'll get 18 months probation. 18 months probation
• 46:13
  for locking her six children, four of whom were under the age
• 46:17
  of 6, in a storage unit with a bucket.
• 46:22
  Oh, that one kills me. All right, The next few are
• 46:26
  coming to us from News Nation. Ah, guys, crimes against
• 46:32
  children. Ah, Wanda, I need that harp
• 46:35
  again. If you can calm me down just a
• 46:37
  little bit. Oh, Wanda, that is soothing.
• 46:40
  All right. Written by Abigail Franklin from
• 46:43
  KFOR writing in News Nation. Couple accused of using 14 year
• 46:51
  old now pregnant with twins as a surrogate.
• 46:57
  Oh oh, Dateline Oklahoma City A woman and her boyfriend are now
• 47:04
  facing charges in Oklahoma City for allegedly using a 14 year
• 47:08
  old as a surrogate. The teen is now pregnant with
• 47:12
  twins. This is incorrect reporting as
• 47:16
  we will see moving forward. OK surrogacy is something that
• 47:24
  people use. Basically it is a third person,
• 47:30
  a mom who will have the couple's genetic, genetic child implanted
• 47:39
  into their womb and and she will carry the child or children to
• 47:45
  term hopefully and deliver healthy children for people who
• 47:49
  cannot have children of their own.
• 47:52
  I think it's a beautiful thing. That's not what happened here.
• 47:55
  That is not what happened here. Here we go 36 year old Erika
• 47:59
  Ramirez and 36 year old Nathan Poitier, or Podier are accused
• 48:05
  of abusing the teen and forcing the girl to get pregnant.
• 48:10
  Podier is allegedly the father of the twins, authorities said.
• 48:17
  According to court documents, a referral from CPS indicated last
• 48:21
  December that the teen was pregnant with twins.
• 48:24
  Ramirez told police she wanted children with her current
• 48:27
  boyfriend. However, she couldn't because
• 48:28
  her tubes were tied. Police obtained a search warrant
• 48:33
  for Podia's DNA and determined paternity at the teen's next
• 48:37
  doctor's visit. Before that could happen, both
• 48:40
  Ramirez and Podier left the state.
• 48:42
  It's believed Ramirez is in California.
• 48:45
  Her last address traces back to Lassen County near the Nevada
• 48:48
  border. News Nation affiliate KFOR
• 48:51
  called the Lassen County Jail to see if they possibly had either
• 48:54
  of them in custody. They were not in custody.
• 48:57
  They have active warrants for their arrest.
• 48:59
  Podier faces SA of a child charges.
• 49:03
  Ramirez faces enabling CA and two counts of desertion of a
• 49:07
  child under 15. Does that mean this is her
• 49:11
  child? This poor victim, or at least in
• 49:19
  her guardianship. Court documents also revealed
• 49:23
  the prior reports were made in California that Podier allegedly
• 49:27
  SA Ed the same teen, adding Ramirez was reportedly aware of
• 49:32
  the allegations. The teen is now in foster care.
• 49:36
  That is not a surrogate, people. That is not a surrogate.
• 49:40
  That is SA. That's what that is.
• 49:45
  Wanda, do you have anything else that can help me?
• 49:48
  Just kind of chill out for a second Maybe, Maybe piano.
• 49:53
  OK, yes. Deep breaths.
• 49:56
  And now deep breaths with Gavin Fish.
• 49:59
  Thank you, Wanda. Oh, I need, I need some
• 50:02
  transition music. Wanda, let's get some transition
• 50:05
  music for a second. Angry who?
• 50:13
  Oh, Dang it. I'm not going to feel any
• 50:15
  better. Wanda, that's enough.
• 50:17
  Thank you. I'm not going to feel any
• 50:19
  better. This next one, also from News
• 50:21
  Nation. Adele Henley writes 19 Kids and
• 50:24
  Counting star Joseph Duggar charged with.
• 50:27
  We're going to call that the M word and abuse during a Florida
• 50:31
  vacation. It is the M word.
• 50:36
  Yeah. It's the essay of a child.
• 50:38
  Dang it. Bay County, Florida Joseph
• 50:43
  Duggar of 19 kids and counting was arrested Wednesday this
• 50:47
  yesterday on allegations of S ANG a minor during a family
• 50:51
  vacation in Panama City Beach, FL.
• 50:55
  The 31 year old former reality star was charged with lewd and
• 50:59
  lascivious conduct with a minor and we're going to call it essay
• 51:03
  of a victim less than 12 years old.
• 51:07
  His arrest comes years after his 38 year old brother, Josh
• 51:09
  Duggar, was convicted of C Sam charges.
• 51:13
  They use CP here, which is actually the legal term, but we
• 51:18
  call it C Sam. Yeah.
• 51:24
  So according to Bay County Sheriff's Office, the now 14
• 51:29
  year old victim participated in a forensic interview in which
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  she disclosed multiple instances of abuse in 2020 when she was
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  nine years old. I got to stop.
• 51:39
  I got to stop. I got to stop.
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  I don't know, guys. I don't want to.
• 51:48
  I don't want to disparage people who choose to have enormously
• 51:52
  large families. I mean, we have five children.
• 51:54
  My wife is the oldest of nine. But man, when you're getting to
• 51:59
  like, I don't know, when you're getting well up there into the
• 52:03
  teens and 20s, there is something wrong, man.
• 52:07
  There is something wrong. I mean, not everybody there.
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  I'm sure there are healthy, mentally healthy people who have
• 52:18
  lots and lots and lots of children.
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  But boy, does this seem to be an indicator that there will be
• 52:25
  abuse, doesn't there? Doesn't it?
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  Goodness sake, Wanda, can you give me transition music,
• 52:35
  please? Taking deep breaths here because
• 52:41
  this next story is important. Wanda, how do you do this?
• 52:48
  You're so good at this. Well done.
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  Oh, Horns, Wanda. Horns.
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  Thank you. OK.
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  All right. We will.
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  We will. We will continue.
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  OK. This one is about the missing
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  Alabama student that has been on the news recently.
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  Written by Zach Kaplan Missing Alabama student found at near
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  Shoko nightclub in Barcelona, Spain.
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  Spanish police have confirmed a body found Thursday in Barcelona
• 53:20
  is that of missing University of Alabama student Jimmy Gracie.
• 53:26
  Divers pulled the 20 year old's body out of the water in the
• 53:29
  Somarostro area of Barcelona, near the beachside Club Shoko,
• 53:34
  where he was last seen early Tuesday.
• 53:36
  The cause of death remains unclear.
• 53:40
  Very sorry for Gracie's family goodness.
• 53:44
  Gracie is originally from Elmhurst, IL.
• 53:46
  His mother, Terese Marin Gracie, said on social media her son was
• 53:50
  in Barcelona visiting friends who were studying abroad.
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  Gracie visited the club with a friend Monday night.
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  The friend left, but he stayed, authorities said.
• 53:59
  He's 20, he's an adult, right? Chicago news station WLSTV
• 54:05
  reported Thursday that police revealed they found Gracie's
• 54:07
  wallet floating in the water near the club.
• 54:11
  Investigators were reportedly seen searching the perimeter
• 54:13
  around where the wallet was found Wednesday morning.
• 54:15
  Later Thursday, Spanish police released a statement saying it
• 54:19
  couldn't confirm the information regarding the wallet.
• 54:23
  The Gracie family put out a statement Thursday that today,
• 54:26
  before the body was identified, expressing gratitude for the
• 54:29
  kindness and concern that has been shown for their family
• 54:33
  during the incredible difficult time.
• 54:34
  The family said they were pausing media interviews right
• 54:37
  now, quote, to focus on being together and caring for one
• 54:40
  another. Continuing, here's the entire
• 54:44
  statement. We are so grateful for the
• 54:45
  kindness and concern that has been shown for our family during
• 54:48
  this incredibly difficult time. We have made the decision to
• 54:52
  pause media interviews at this time to focus on being together
• 54:55
  and caring for one another. Thank you for respecting our
• 54:58
  privacy and holding our family and your thoughts and prayers.
• 55:01
  We will share updates if and when we're able.
• 55:06
  The young man was described as a man of upstanding character.
• 55:10
  Amid the search Wednesday, Gracie's aunt Beth O'Reilly
• 55:13
  described him to News Nation as one of the greatest kids you'll
• 55:16
  ever meet. Quote.
• 55:17
  He's a great student, honor student, chaplain in his
• 55:20
  fraternity. He's a wonderful, loving son,
• 55:23
  Big Brother to a sister and three little brothers.
• 55:27
  Oh, I am so sorry for those kiddos who have lost their Big
• 55:33
  Brother. Goodness that that hole will
• 55:39
  never be filled. The president of Gracie's
• 55:43
  fraternity chapter, Kevin Mcclay, told News Nation on
• 55:47
  Wednesday. Quote Jimmy is a beloved brother
• 55:50
  and a man of upstanding character.
• 55:52
  He serves as a mentor to younger classes in our chapter and
• 55:55
  guides our brothers on their journey with their faith as our
• 55:58
  chaplain. He also serves as one of our
• 56:00
  philanthropy chairman and devotes his time to giving back
• 56:03
  to others. He's the guy that goes out of
• 56:05
  his way to be there when someone needs it.
• 56:09
  I hope I I don't know why this would matter to me, but I sure
• 56:13
  do hope that we find out that this was an accident, just a
• 56:19
  freak, crazy accident. And I am so, so, so sorry for
• 56:24
  the Gracie family. Those guys are your headlines,
• 56:31
  true crime headlines. All righty.
• 56:41
  Let's round out the show. I think wrong button, Gavin,
• 56:45
  wrong button. I think Diane is sending me this
• 56:50
  little super sticker to cheer me up.
• 56:52
  And thank you, Diane. That does cheer me up.
• 56:56
  Today's news, man. Today's news was just.
• 57:00
  That is just a tough one, man. Just tough.
• 57:06
  Let's see what you guys are saying.
• 57:08
  Yeah, Robin it. Oh, let's see.
• 57:10
  Let's go all the way up. My goodness, there's a whole
• 57:13
  bunch. We had good questions today,
• 57:15
  Debbie says. My cousins live 20 minutes from
• 57:17
  Tucson. They say it's been crazy there.
• 57:19
  Her son's a police officer. The general thought is she's
• 57:21
  somewhere in the desert and won't be found.
• 57:23
  That's sad. Debbie says When you doing my
• 57:27
  pickle question? I think I did your pickle
• 57:29
  question, didn't I, Debbie? I think I did.
• 57:33
  Pretty sure I did. 3 doxies, 1 Prince Gavin Is tomorrow. 47
• 57:39
  days since Nancy disappeared. No.
• 57:43
  Yeah. Because February at 28 days it
• 57:46
  is 47 days. Yes, Emmy says my first concert
• 57:51
  was Britney Spears and most recent was Backstreet Boys at
• 57:54
  the Sphere. That looked like a good show.
• 57:57
  Kate in Virginia, my first concert concert was Ricky
• 58:01
  Martin. Airy era menudo woo.
• 58:05
  My dad took me and he brought a book.
• 58:13
  Menudo Man that's going back. That's pretty awesome.
• 58:15
  I when I was in Argentina, Ricky Martin was really popular.
• 58:20
  And what was the other Menudo guy that was super popular?
• 58:22
  I have to think about this. I have not listened to his music
• 58:25
  in years. Menudo members original.
• 58:33
  What was his name? Let's see, Ricky Martin era.
• 58:43
  Menudo. Ricky Martin era.
• 58:47
  What's his name? I can't remember.
• 58:52
  Was it Ruben Gomez? I can't remember.
• 58:55
  Anyway, yeah, good stuff. That's pretty cool to say that
• 58:59
  you you went and saw Menudo Mooney, the consummate live
• 59:04
  performance music aficionado says.
• 59:07
  My first concert was Wet Willy, Charlie Daniels and Marshall
• 59:11
  Tucker, most recent was Skynyrd and ZZ Top.
• 59:14
  Ozzy right before that on his last tour to the US.
• 59:18
  So that's pretty cool that you saw Ozzy.
• 59:20
  I I would love to see ZZ Top. ZZ Top is a band that, for me is
• 59:26
  every bit as good live as they are in the studio, and those
• 59:30
  kinds of bands are few and far between.
• 59:33
  Holy cow, I'm very sorry that you know, Frank Beard is no
• 59:38
  longer with us. But I that that is one that I
• 59:42
  would go out of my way to see ZZ Top Marshall Tucker band man,
• 59:46
  can't can't beat that. Charlie Daniels, that's hard to
• 59:50
  beat too. Got you've got a really good,
• 59:52
  you got really good taste in music, Pammy says.
• 59:55
  First concert was Elvis. Most recent was Blues Traveler
• 59:59
  at Red Rocks. That's pretty cool.
• 1:00:01
  My aunt who who is now my dearly departed aunt, she passed away
• 1:00:07
  just just in the last couple years.
• 1:00:10
  Her one of her favorite memories as a child, well, as a teenager
• 1:00:16
  was going to, oh, I'm going to get this wrong.
• 1:00:21
  But it was a it was either an Elvis concert or ATV appearance.
• 1:00:26
  Being one of the beautiful young girls going crazy in the first
• 1:00:30
  like row, fainting and having the king pull her up on stage to
• 1:00:36
  rescue her so that his stagehands could get her some
• 1:00:40
  air. Pretty cool.
• 1:00:44
  Emmy says. First concert for me was Nick
• 1:00:46
  Carter in Philadelphia, not Britney Spears.
• 1:00:48
  OK Nick Carter, that's pretty cool.
• 1:00:50
  Cat saw REO Speedwagon, that's pretty cool.
• 1:00:53
  Susie Q first concert was The Who $10 ticket at the Boston
• 1:00:57
  Garden. That's pretty cool.
• 1:01:00
  Robin says. I'm kind of a groupie for the
• 1:01:02
  band OAR such great music at not giant venues.
• 1:01:06
  Check them out. You know, I am a groupie for Pat
• 1:01:11
  Benatar and for I'm having a senior moment.
• 1:01:19
  Having a senior moment, everybody brain fart.
• 1:01:31
  What is the name? I'm completely, I'll just say
• 1:01:34
  Pat Benatar. I'm I'm, I'm full on having a
• 1:01:38
  senior moment. I have seen her in concert like
• 1:01:43
  7 times. Oh, Joan Jett.
• 1:01:47
  Oh goodness man, that took me forever.
• 1:01:50
  I am rather a groupie for Joan Jett.
• 1:01:53
  Saw her in concert at a very small venue in Orangevale, CA so
• 1:01:59
  many times I can't even tell you.
• 1:02:00
  I just love her so much. Pretty cool, Pretty cool.
• 1:02:04
  I'll have to check out OAR Scotch's Mom, Night Ranger and
• 1:02:08
  cheap trick 1985 Stephen F Austin State University to
• 1:02:13
  George Strait 1989 Starplex Dallas, but that's pretty
• 1:02:16
  awesome. That's pretty great, Archangel
• 1:02:20
  says. My first concert was Isha TV
• 1:02:22
  show for kids. She was huge and the concert was
• 1:02:25
  pretty big. My mom took me there.
• 1:02:27
  That's pretty cool. Robert the Ruse folk singer was
• 1:02:30
  the first, can't remember who. Then Fine Young Cannibals.
• 1:02:33
  Fine. She drives me crazy.
• 1:02:36
  Is that fine Young Cannibals? I'm trying to remember.
• 1:02:38
  Oh, Roseanne Cash was last. Very cool.
• 1:02:41
  Gavin, does your house vibrate? My house is old and was.
• 1:02:50
  Oh, like with my, with my stereo.
• 1:02:52
  Yeah, it does. It does.
• 1:02:57
  Let's see. Emmy says country and pop folk
• 1:02:59
  annoy me. You know, I'm, I'm I I get it.
• 1:03:03
  You know, they're they're they're genres that we don't
• 1:03:06
  like and that's cool. Scotch's mom rap annoys me.
• 1:03:10
  I don't like country music either.
• 1:03:11
  See, I'm, I'm with you in the macro, but there are there are
• 1:03:19
  rap songs that I love. Yeah.
• 1:03:23
  Kool Modi, for example, Right. I loved him back in the day.
• 1:03:29
  Yeah. And country, dude, dude, how can
• 1:03:32
  you not like, you know, like John Denver, for example.
• 1:03:35
  Now I know the country music didn't really accept him, but he
• 1:03:38
  was country. Come on.
• 1:03:39
  How do you not like Charlie Daniels right there?
• 1:03:41
  There's I I I think there are exceptions in every genre.
• 1:03:46
  Yes, it was Lizzo. Who is the floudest?
• 1:03:49
  Robin. Robin knew Lucy Fair.
• 1:03:52
  It's good to see you. I thought I was the only person
• 1:03:53
  who isn't a fan of live music. My reasons are also the same as
• 1:03:57
  yours. The nuance and recorded music is
• 1:03:59
  delicious. Live music is crowded and too
• 1:04:02
  loud for me. I feel the same way.
• 1:04:04
  Robert the Rooza. I used to hate country music,
• 1:04:06
  but now it's growing on me. Possibly because of some genre
• 1:04:09
  crossover. Yeah, you know, the early.
• 1:04:13
  Like, I'm not a huge Swifty. I I recognize like talent,
• 1:04:17
  right? Recognize that game.
• 1:04:19
  She's amazing. I'm just not a huge fan.
• 1:04:22
  But that early kind of country stuff, rad.
• 1:04:25
  It was rad so good, Mooney says. The only music I do not care for
• 1:04:31
  is pop. I like pop.
• 1:04:33
  Emmy loves the California climate, especially the Bay
• 1:04:35
  Area. It's pretty nice.
• 1:04:37
  I think my first official concert was Eddie Rabbit in 1980
• 1:04:41
  from Ohio. Pom Mom, Eddie Rabbit died too
• 1:04:45
  young, Man died too young. Scotch's mom.
• 1:04:49
  I like the warm climate just fine.
• 1:04:50
  The cold climate gives me severe migraines.
• 1:04:52
  Stay in the warmth Archangel I love.
• 1:04:55
  I live in the Caribbean and climate can be really good.
• 1:04:58
  Summers can be hot but not as much.
• 1:04:59
  Winters are really nice. I bet Robert the ruse.
• 1:05:03
  I would like to live in some low mountains near a coast and near
• 1:05:06
  the equator than here. Not sure where that might be.
• 1:05:10
  Perhaps you could check out Ecuador or Costa Rica or
• 1:05:15
  something like. That'd be pretty cool.
• 1:05:17
  Kate and Virginia. I like having all Four Seasons,
• 1:05:19
  but I like it when it's just a little cool and humid.
• 1:05:22
  I refer to it as good breathing weather.
• 1:05:24
  Very good. Very good.
• 1:05:29
  Yeah. Robin, the kids get a lifetime
• 1:05:30
  of PSD. That the Duggars.
• 1:05:32
  Yeah. And that the victim victims.
• 1:05:35
  Yeah. Yep.
• 1:05:36
  Yep. Yep.
• 1:05:37
  Yep. Yep.
• 1:05:37
  Yep. Yep, Yep, Yep.
• 1:05:39
  A couple more. I don't, I don't like the term
• 1:05:43
  cult. I get it.
• 1:05:47
  I was talking to Casey from the Colt Vault and I asked her, you
• 1:05:50
  know, how do you define a cult? And she's like, well, it's
• 1:05:52
  really, there's real no definition.
• 1:05:54
  Well, then I have a problem with that word.
• 1:05:58
  But the Duggars certainly were in a questionable lifestyle,
• 1:06:01
  that's for sure. And Miss Queen Liz.
• 1:06:04
  Hey, Gavin and chat. New sub.
• 1:06:05
  Well, welcome. We're glad you are here.
• 1:06:08
  Couple more before we go. A Mavericks Mom.
• 1:06:12
  Your tangent on democracy is spot on.
• 1:06:14
  Yeah, that's an important. Wait a minute.
• 1:06:18
  Frank Beard is still alive. Dusty Hill passed away.
• 1:06:20
  I don't think that's true. Was it Dusty that died?
• 1:06:24
  Was it? Yeah.
• 1:06:28
  Dusty died. Frank still with us.
• 1:06:32
  I had that backwards. Yeah.
• 1:06:34
  Frank 76. OK, well, either way, kind of, I
• 1:06:39
  mean, that that groovy bass line in the keyboard work from Dusty
• 1:06:42
  Hill, man. Yeah, I had that backwards.
• 1:06:46
  But I I do know that they're still playing.
• 1:06:50
  That's ZZ Top, by the way. Holds the distinction, at least
• 1:06:53
  to my knowledge. I think I'm correct on this of
• 1:06:56
  being the longest running rock'n'roll band without a
• 1:06:59
  change in its membership. Those guys are awesome,
• 1:07:03
  Elizabeth says Pat Benatar studied opera at VCU and
• 1:07:07
  Virginia in Richmond. I saw, I've seen Pat Benatar a
• 1:07:10
  couple times. I was I was young when I saw her
• 1:07:13
  and her husband, guy named Neil Giraldo is her guitarist and
• 1:07:21
  producer and is a legend. That duo makes some of the most
• 1:07:30
  amazing music. I'm Goddess 1950 first concert.
• 1:07:36
  Get this kitties, Herman's hermits.
• 1:07:39
  That's awesome. That's awesome, guys.
• 1:07:41
  Thanks for participating in the three questions tonight and
• 1:07:45
  thanks like the headlines today got to me.
• 1:07:48
  They just got to me. And thank you for for keeping it
• 1:07:52
  classy. And oh, special thanks to Wanda
• 1:07:56
  today for, for giving me some transition music, for giving me
• 1:08:00
  some, some just calm down music. And to Javi for pushing those
• 1:08:05
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• 1:08:07
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• 1:08:11
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• 1:08:14
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