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Still Comfy? Thelma and Louise · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: We are live. Welcome everybody to still Comfy with Jules
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  Speaker 1: and Nat. Today we are talking about Selma and Louise.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Julia Washington, your host of Pop Culture Makes Me Jealous,
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  Speaker 1: where we analyze pop culture through the lens of race
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  Speaker 1: or gender and sometimes both. I am joined by Natalie Katona.
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  Speaker 2: Hi. I'm Natalie Katona, host Up to All the Men
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  Speaker 2: I've Tolerated Before, a podcast where every Thursday you get
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  Speaker 2: to hear my thoughts on everyday misogyny.
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  Speaker 1: So what perfect movie that we should talk about then,
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  Speaker 1: Thelma Louise? Well, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Mostly because Louise is tired, like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, us, yeah. So let's do a real quick because
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  Speaker 1: this movie is twenty one years old. So let's do
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  Speaker 1: a quick summary for everybody who maybe haven't seen it
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  Speaker 1: in a while or has no idea what we're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: Dumb and Louise. Here's the summary. Two best friends set
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  Speaker 1: out on an ohps, this is from Google and I've
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  Speaker 1: got a bone to pick. Here we go. Two best
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  Speaker 1: friends set out on an adventure, but soon turns around
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  Speaker 1: to a terrifying escape from being hunted by the police.
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  Speaker 1: As these two girls escape for escape for the crimes
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  Speaker 1: they committed girls, because you know they're not pushing forty
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  Speaker 1: or anything. It's fine anyway. This movie did receive six
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  Speaker 1: Academy Award nominations and one for Best Original Screenplay. Ridley
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  Speaker 1: Scott was nominated for Best Director, and both Susan Sarandon
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  Speaker 1: and Gena Davis were nominated for Best Actress. I do
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  Speaker 1: want to give this quick note about what Rolling Stone
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  Speaker 1: said about the movie in eineteen ninety one. Call it
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  Speaker 1: a comedy of shocking gravity. Delman Louise begins like an
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  Speaker 1: episode of I Love Lucy and ends with the impact
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  Speaker 1: of easy writer. It's a bumpy path between those points,
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  Speaker 1: and director Ridley Scott and first time screenwriter Callie Corey
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  Speaker 1: don't sure, don't cushion the red. The film switches moods
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  Speaker 1: violently and sometimes it chirks your chain. But this movie
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  Speaker 1: die this. But this is movie dynamite, detonated by award
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  Speaker 1: caliber performance from Gena Davis and Susan Sarandon. In the
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  Speaker 1: title rules.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, if by roller coaster they mean that in
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  Speaker 2: the nineties every movie was too long and we could
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  Speaker 2: have done with some editing.
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  Speaker 1: This movie was only like an hour forty five minutes.
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  Speaker 2: When it wasn't it was two hours, because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I checked, because I believe that every movie should be
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  Speaker 2: a cool ninety minute.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I guess, I see. I didn't feel like it
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  Speaker 1: was too long. So why don't you start with Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know this answer. Was this the first time
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  Speaker 1: you've seen Thelma and Louis?
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  Speaker 2: This was the first time I watched Foma and Louise
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  Speaker 2: all the way through, and not just clips of Foma
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  Speaker 2: and Louise from vh ones. We love the Nineties.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really mad that I was a child during vh
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  Speaker 2: ones I love the nineties because I would have killed
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  Speaker 2: on that show. Yeah, I would have killed on I
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  Speaker 2: love the two thousands, I love the seventies, I love
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  Speaker 2: the eighties. I would have fucking killed on those shows.
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  Speaker 2: But instead I was a child. So VH one, if
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  Speaker 2: you ever want to make a.
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  Speaker 1: Comeback, yeah, let's do it. Okay, So as an adult
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  Speaker 1: for the first time watching it all the way through
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  Speaker 1: and not just clips from VH ones, I love the nineties.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what you.
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  Speaker 2: Thought first, Brad Pitt was ugly when he was younger.
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  Speaker 1: I so don't agree.
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  Speaker 2: My mother agreed because she called yesterday, right, I think
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  Speaker 2: in the middle or maybe towards the end of me
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  Speaker 2: watching it, and I was like, young brad Pitt is
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  Speaker 2: scrawnie and he has a shitty face.
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  Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, I don't agree.
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  Speaker 2: He has a shitty face and he's scrawnie and he
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  Speaker 2: is not the Achilles brad Pit that I knew him
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  Speaker 2: to be for my entire adolescence, or so I wrote
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  Speaker 2: down on my notes, I will now choose to believe
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  Speaker 2: and rewrite history that Legends of the Fall is what
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  Speaker 2: actually made brad Pit a sex symbol, and not this movie.
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  Speaker 1: It did them and Louise make brad Put a sex symbol.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I love the nineties from BH one said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: no button to make noises?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Penelope, this time you can't kick me out
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  Speaker 1: of the broadcast because it's mine.
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  Speaker 2: Mah, just prayer hold like a baby like my sister
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  Speaker 2: tried to.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. So I bet you know what I bet. I
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  Speaker 1: bet it's because it's that scene when they finally like
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  Speaker 1: when Gina finally gets when a Louis Thelma finally gets done.
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  Speaker 2: Right almost first orgasm.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that's probably the scene that everyone's because
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  Speaker 1: that scene, that opening of that scene is kind of steamy,
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  Speaker 1: so that's probably what it was.
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  Speaker 2: This movie really hit home that I myself am the
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  Speaker 2: Louise like you. I think that everyone like prays that
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  Speaker 2: they are the THEMA in the friendship because they get
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  Speaker 2: to fuck Brad Pitt and like get wild. I am
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  Speaker 2: the Louise. I am the one who is constantly looking
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  Speaker 2: at you, going that man ain't shit, and then when
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  Speaker 2: he steals our stuff, I'm like, oh, if only someone
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  Speaker 2: would have told you that he was mediocre. And then
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  Speaker 2: and then I am also the one who's like watching
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  Speaker 2: men harass you at a bar and you giggling at
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  Speaker 2: it and being like that's harassment.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, Louise, you're just so jaded for waiting tables
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  Speaker 1: all those years. No, Louise is not jaded. She's just
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  Speaker 1: very well in tuned with human behavior.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, more people should have listened to her, because
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  Speaker 2: I wrote down multiple times Louise hasn't even gotten better.
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  Speaker 2: It hasn't even gotten better. When she's like, we don't
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  Speaker 2: live in the type of world that believes women about
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  Speaker 2: what they go through, I was like, we still don't
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  Speaker 2: you know what?
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  Speaker 1: You know what? The Atlantic did an article that said
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  Speaker 1: that basically was like, this movie has aged really well,
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  Speaker 1: and that's actually not a good thing because that just
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  Speaker 1: means that we haven't done anything in the last one.
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  Speaker 1: And this article came out it's twenty fifth anniversary and
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  Speaker 1: in basically saying like we haven't done anything in twenty
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  Speaker 1: five years to improve because that scene where Thelma's like,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta go to the police, we gotta tell the police.
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  Speaker 1: We can we you know the police will understand, and
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  Speaker 1: da da da, and Louise is like, no, no, that
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  Speaker 1: still happened the police. Like the way we see these
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  Speaker 1: cases handled in the news, it still attacks women, It
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  Speaker 1: still makes women out to be the bad guy. It
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  Speaker 1: still makes it out as you know, she did something
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  Speaker 1: to deserve it, she was egging him on, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: Louise flat out says, you know, everyone's gonna be what
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  Speaker 1: are they gonna say? You were in there hugging on
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  Speaker 1: him and kissing on him and dancing real close, Like
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  Speaker 1: what are they gonna do? Like are you basically yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what is.
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  Speaker 2: The man's name? Who we murder?
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  Speaker 1: Harlan?
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  Speaker 2: Harlan, I would like to point out the police and
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  Speaker 2: FBI put on a lot of effort to avenge the
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  Speaker 2: murder of a man named Harlan who was like shot
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  Speaker 2: down at a bar. I'm like, I also don't feel
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  Speaker 2: like that's realistic.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and then the waitress at the bar's like, do
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  Speaker 1: Youasca's wife because he steps out on her all the time?
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  Speaker 2: Is icon that waitress because like she brings the vibe
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  Speaker 2: of the women's restroom out to the world. So she
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  Speaker 2: like she sidles up to that cop and he's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you saw him come out with two women, and she's like,
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  Speaker 2: they're not the murdering type. And that's what we always say, ladies,
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  Speaker 2: Like if we watch some misogynist walk out into the
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  Speaker 2: parking lot with two women and he don't come back,
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  Speaker 2: we're just like, they seem like the nicest. They tipped
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  Speaker 2: me real well, they prayed before their meal. Like, no,
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  Speaker 2: at no point do we just go, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: maybe they did do it. No, that's not girl code.
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  Speaker 2: That woman understood girl code.
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  Speaker 1: She knew it was up. And honestly, they weren't the
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  Speaker 1: murdering type until somebody tried to rape Thelma sorry content warning,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then, for whatever reason, probably because I've only
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  Speaker 2: seen clips from VH one, I thought they murdered her
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  Speaker 2: useless husband. I thought it was an earl had to
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  Speaker 2: die situation.
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  Speaker 1: No, which brings me to my next question. Which man
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  Speaker 1: was more trash, Harlan or hal.
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  Speaker 2: They were all no. Number one. Jimmy was not trash.
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  Speaker 1: And I say, don't you don't you don't you dare
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  Speaker 1: drag Jimmy's name through the ma's hero Jimmy fucking hero.
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy is the only man who's allowed to use the
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  Speaker 2: hashtag not all men. Okay, He's the only one that
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  Speaker 2: was in the work to use the hashtag. My first
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  Speaker 2: note about the husband, Darryl was I love that men
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  Speaker 2: trap us in I think it's.
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  Speaker 1: Daryl, go ahead, keep talking, I go I love.
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  Speaker 2: That men trick us into mirroring them, just to then
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  Speaker 2: be so put out by our mere existence. Like what
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  Speaker 2: was Tholma doing? She was just in the kitchen.
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  Speaker 1: She here's the thing she said. She tells JD played
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  Speaker 1: by Brad Pitt, that she would they were married at
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  Speaker 1: She was married at eighteen, and they dated for four
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  Speaker 1: years before that. Oh yeah, Darryl, Well you were fourteen years.
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  Speaker 2: Old when you met the love of your life.
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  Speaker 1: Put that shit in air quotes, because there's no, there's
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  Speaker 1: no fucking way. There's no fucking way.
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  Speaker 2: I would like more context on how old Darryl was
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  Speaker 2: when he started grooming Thelma.
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  Speaker 1: I was just like more context, yeah, because here's the thing,
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing. Darryl's gross.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you have to comment. We're using a third
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  Speaker 1: until you tell us.
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  Speaker 2: You're right above my head.
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  Speaker 1: The whole time, Darryl is trash and he's so awful,
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  Speaker 1: and then like she just it might be too early
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  Speaker 1: get into this. But like, my favorite part of the
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  Speaker 1: movie is Thelma's evolution because in the opening scene, when
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  Speaker 1: we're not the opening scene, when they're at the bar
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  Speaker 1: before the big thing happens, and Harlan comes over, he's like, hey, ladies,
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  Speaker 1: how y'all doing tonight, And you know, Louise is like
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  Speaker 1: we're fine, thanks, and and Thelma's like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going out and I having out my husband
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  Speaker 1: this and Louise is so in restaurant for real, and
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  Speaker 1: then by the end of the movie, she's like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, fuck this shit. I get it now, I
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  Speaker 1: have been I'm She even said, I'm awake and it
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  Speaker 1: feels great.
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  Speaker 2: I'm awake and it feels great, and I think I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to hold up a gun to a cop and
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  Speaker 2: put him in his trunk. I was like, Boma, Alma,
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  Speaker 2: I will have to say that, good on Louise, and
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  Speaker 2: good on Susan Sarandon for continuing to support women throughout
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  Speaker 2: the entire two hour movie, because after the Brad Pitt no,
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  Speaker 2: it was before the bread pit fiasco. At some point
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I would have had to cut Thelma loose.
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  Speaker 2: I would have had to go to Mexico by myself.
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  Speaker 1: Even though she is your BFF forever.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, I don't even know if that was established. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: they were going on a weekend trip because Louise had
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  Speaker 2: a contact for a cabin and we've all been there.
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  Speaker 2: We've all been on a trip with people that we
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  Speaker 2: barely know because see as a cabin for free.
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  Speaker 1: There were a lot of references throughout the movie that
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  Speaker 1: indicated to me that they had been really good friends
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  Speaker 1: for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: I know that they had been good friends for a
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  Speaker 2: good time. Number One, my best friend would tell me
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  Speaker 2: CuPy and loose, if that's how I'm acting, if you
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  Speaker 2: need to get to I texted her in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of this movie and I was like, I'm watching Thema
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  Speaker 2: and Louise for the first time, and I need you
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  Speaker 2: to know that if we murdered a rapist, we would
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  Speaker 2: handle it way better. Cool as a cucumber. We wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: even have given a fuck because we're dead inside, and
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  Speaker 2: she's like one hundred percent. We would have just done it,
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  Speaker 2: been like cool, I guess that's what happened, gotten to
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  Speaker 2: the bar. I mean, like, I guess we're going to Mexico,
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  Speaker 2: and then we would have put on like Now's Greatest
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  Speaker 2: Hits fourteen and we would have just rode into the
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  Speaker 2: sunset forgetting that man's name, forgetting that we even did it,
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  Speaker 2: like or my favorite plot device could be maybe you
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  Speaker 2: should at least try to tell the police because they
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  Speaker 2: were the only two out there, so they could have
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  Speaker 2: said any lie because said that he lunched for her
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  Speaker 2: again or whatever self defense I heard get you a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what the meat. That was Thelma's argument, like
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  Speaker 1: if we like, we were the only two out there.
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  Speaker 1: We could say whatever you like. She basically says that
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  Speaker 1: to Louise, and Louise says no, which brings us to
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  Speaker 1: the point where something happened in Texas to Louise and
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  Speaker 1: she didn't want to talk about it. But Texas gets
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  Speaker 1: brought up again. It's almost like it's another character in
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  Speaker 1: the movie because they're in Oklahoma and she's like, you
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  Speaker 1: got to get figure out how to get us to
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  Speaker 1: Mexico without driving through Texas. Helm was like, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: do not know geography because that's not possible.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I wouldn't have so I would have been like,
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  Speaker 2: what do you mean, we can't do it? What do
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  Speaker 2: you mean? Because I have to imagine that you would
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  Speaker 2: have to go to the states that are above Texas
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  Speaker 2: swing into California, so you then go to Mexico.
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  Speaker 1: You can go to Louisiana on one side or what's
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  Speaker 1: on the other side of Texas. I looked it up
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  Speaker 1: earlier because it's like, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like circumvent that entire top portion of the
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  Speaker 2: state by touching it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the shape of Texas too, The way Texas
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  Speaker 1: is shaped is like even after you get out of
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  Speaker 1: Oklahoma to get like you'd have to go up and
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  Speaker 1: around right, So you either have to go back into
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  Speaker 1: Arkansas down into Louisiana. There's no way. You'd have to
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  Speaker 1: go all the way to the west to New Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: You'd have to go all the way. Yeah, And I
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  Speaker 2: understand that. I understand that Louise has also lost her
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  Speaker 2: entire faith in humanity and the law and the government.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, same, I mean, I guess I too.
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  Speaker 2: And then like when Mexico didn't become an option, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, y'all just change your entire projection and go
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  Speaker 2: to Canada.
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  Speaker 1: They don't even they don't even think you can get.
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  Speaker 2: Go north, just go north, go straight a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: and then just go north. And then they're confused because
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  Speaker 2: they're convinced that you've only been going south to Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: To Mexico.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, damn. JD is the one who gave him.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Away again, Buck brand Pitt in this movie, he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: even good looking fill out those jans had. Like at
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  Speaker 2: some point, I was like, he looked like he doesn't
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: have a snarl tooth, but he looks like he has
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: a snarl tooth, Like one day he will have a
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  Speaker 2: snarl tooth and I'm like, well, there it is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell listen, I don't agree. So
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  Speaker 1: if you're listening out there, do you agree with Natalie
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  Speaker 1: brad Pitt.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I would sleep with bread Pitt today. I would love
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  Speaker 2: to trip over bread Pitt today trying to make a
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  Speaker 2: phone call. I would love My.
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  Speaker 1: Favorite was My favorite was when he's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm my parole officer and she's like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, are you at a criminal? And he's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a criminal. I just did some ring and
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  Speaker 1: then like and then like like like you think it's
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  Speaker 1: okay to leave sixty seven hundred dollars on the bedside
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  Speaker 1: table when somebody just told you that he's like literally
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: knocked over every kind of convenience store from here to
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  Speaker 1: wherever he's from.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I wrote down. I go thema he literally
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  Speaker 2: tells you that he robs people, and then he's gonna
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  Speaker 2: rob you, And.
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  Speaker 1: They foreshadow that with the ring when he's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're at the advantage when they're playing that handgame, He's like,
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  Speaker 1: let's just remove that real quick. You totally stole her ring.
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  Speaker 2: Not great. Not Also, I love that the cops like
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  Speaker 2: knew him. They're like, come on, JD, sit down, tell
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  Speaker 2: us about Mexico. And then I almost did believe the
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  Speaker 2: the main cop when he was like, I can make
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  Speaker 2: this better for you. You just have to start cooperating.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, this would be the time to
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: strike a deal, if you're going to strike a deal,
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  Speaker 2: because part of the advantage of no one taking women
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  Speaker 2: seriously is that they will write a story in their
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: head that we accidentally murdered someone and then we were
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: so flustered that we got into our car and we
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: drove away from it, and then we got even more flustered,
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  Speaker 2: so we accidentally robbed a gas station. So and like,
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  Speaker 2: you can play that to your advantage if you're next
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  Speaker 2: to an old dude who may or may not arrest you,
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  Speaker 2: and you're just like, you know, you know, I just
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  Speaker 2: got so confused, just got so.
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  Speaker 1: Confused, especially if you look in a sense and pretty
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  Speaker 1: like they did. Yeah, Hi Mario.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're Gena Davis, pretty you you know, away
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  Speaker 2: with anything, including shooting some guy down in a parking lot.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Here's my favorite. Here's another favorite. I just love this
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: movie so hard. They described Geena Davis's characters being five ten.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: She's six feet.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Tall in real life, so fucking tall.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: So I the whole time, I'm like, oh my god,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: she's never actually standing next to anybody in this entire movie.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: They have her staged in a way where she's never
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: directly next to somebody that was genius.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: But she's always looming over Susan Sandon. I was like,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: this almost makes it worse because because she is so tall,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: and I get what they were trying to do. They're
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: trying to offset it, like they did the same thing
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: with Patrick Swayze and Jennifer Gray, because it turns out
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: that Bradmont and Patrick Swayze aren't seven foot tall like
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the movies would have us believe, right, So then you
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: have to like be like, well, ladies can't be taller
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: than the leading man, and then you got to off
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: set it. But I was like, she literally looks like
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: she's loomy over Louis the entire movie.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: See, I didn't I didn't get the little maybe because
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I've been watching this movie for twenty years. Maybe, and I.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Don't think that a league of their own, for some reason,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: a league of their own. And maybe it's because Tom
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Hanks is almost as tall as Geena Davis or taller
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: a league of their own, you hardly knownice her height,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: You hardly notice it. But this movie I was like, look,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: how fucking tall Gina Davis?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because in a league of their own they have
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: kit in heels and things like that, and the girls
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and other heels and stuff. And she's the catcher, so
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: she's always in the splat position, so that changes it
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a little bit too. And in the distances, yeah, she
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: knows better. She knows not to catch the ball like that.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: But in Thelma and Louise, because they're in cowboy boots,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: so she's in flats, and then you know, Louise is
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: in cowboy boots which don't really have a lot of
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: heel to them, right, I mean they have a heel,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: but not the same. I don't know, can you talk?
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I want to go back to Louise And what a
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: drag it is to be the friend who already knows. So,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: like you're Louise and you've got this boyfriend, he's Jimmy.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: You're pretty sure he's mediocre, but you like wake up
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: every day knowing that you wake up every day knowing
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: like Jimmy may Or may not call to a he's
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Freddy mediocre, this set and the other, and then you're
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: looking in your friend theoma. It is a drag being
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: a friend watching their friends in like marriages that aren't
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: abusive enough that you can like call a hotline about it,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: but you're just like watching it. And it's like, what
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: if you got to freely enjoy yourself as an adult woman,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: which is something clearly Thema wasn't getting to do because
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: every time she breathed, Darryl yelled and like even though
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: like she's just wrapped up in that bathroom, and she's like, Darryl,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I just saw maybe you would like some tea. He's
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: mad at her for asking if he wants tea. He's
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: just like, I'm sorry, Darryl, if you need two hours
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: to make yourself into a human being before you have
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: to go to work, wake up two hours earlier, Like
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why you're griping at all of us.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: And then there's Louise and you call your friend and
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you're like, I'm ready for hot girl shit, how about you?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: And it's a drag. It is a drag to hear
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: your friends go, I don't know. I haven't heard. I
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: haven't even asked my husband yet. I am that bitch
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: who tells you, like, since when do we ask him
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: out anything, let alone permission.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: But to Thelma's credit, she goes anyway.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, she goes anyways, but it's still But then you
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: put her in a car with Thelma, and it's gonna
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: be fun. We got cartoons in the car and we're going,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: you know, to the woods. We have a nut and
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a lantern to indicate we're camping. And then you get
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: to a bar and your friend Thema all of a
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: sudden gets into like Hot Girls season, and like then
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: she completely starts ignoring you for the next mediocre man
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: that approaches the table, and you're just like, it is
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: a really fucking goddamn drag being me because you're clearly
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: not getting what you want from your marriage, so now
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: we're just gonna get it from a guid named Harlan.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: And I have to spend my evening baby sitting you
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: because you don't know that this Harlan guy is clearly
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: a creep. And then she's just sitting there, she's like,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I guess I'll have a Margarita know, and she's like
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: sipping her margery. They left those during unattended. I was like,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: that's a big two thousand, I know.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I thought I was like all the Joys of nineteen
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: ninety one.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I guess that's a big two thousands. No. No, you
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: hit a cup with a lid the dance floor and
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I couldn't help but think I was a god. It is.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: It is just a drag to be socializing the way
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: that Louise is forced to socialize because she quote unquote
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: knows better. It's like when we all woke up to
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: capitalism during the pandemic, but then you went to your
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: boss and he's still wanting to play by capitalism rules
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and you're like, fuck her, I'm onto your game. That's
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Louise with skeezy men who are clearly skeezy from the jump,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: but Thema just doesn't have the radar for it. She's like,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: he's not good, thema, And she's like, I want to dance.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I want to have some fun. I wanna I want
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: to take some whiskey with a coke back, and.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Not just any whiskey, wild turkey, which is like the
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: most disgusting whiskey of all time. It's cheap as fuck. Okay,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So I will say this in Thelma's defense. You know,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: she was groomed at fourteen, married eighteen, so she's not
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: as emotionally evolved as Louise. She's you know, controlled, And
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: this is this is such a this is such a
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: strong this is so typical. We see this a lot.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: And I don't know about in the Midwest, but where
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I am the midwest of California, I see it a
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: lot where a lot of women they have, oh, we've
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: been together since high school and aren't we so in love?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: And their husbands are just trash. And this is a
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: reoccurring theme. And I think that's why Thelma and Louise
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: holds up so well, because this type of narrative still
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: exists and it's still accepted. It is still accepted to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: be in love with your soulmate fourteen, get married at eighteen,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: be completely naive about the world, and let your husband
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: control everything while he's also controlling you and treating you
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: like garbage.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm saying that that is why it's a
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: drag to be the person I tell it to my
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: therapist all the time. I'm like, you know, you know
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: how last week guys said it's really hard being the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: coolest person in the room. It's also really hard to
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: be the most healed person in the room. And unfortunately
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Louise had to heal through a lot of shit that
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of women do. Well, once you heal from
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: that shit, you do have a whole new perspective on
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the world and how it treats women and what happens
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: when women are victims and all of it. So for me,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: that's to all the men I've tolerated before. What have
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I done for a year? I've grieved, I've reflected, I've
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: thought deeply, I've met like minded people. And then you
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: go out into the fucking actual Midwest and you're looking
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: at people and you're like, that's how you're going to
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: be treated, that's how you're just because he got you
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: a trinket and a ring on it. You're undervalued every
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: day in your home, every day in your home. It's
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it's a lot of like that mentality
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: or that you haven't we a lot of folks haven't
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: grown from that mentality. I see that all the time
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: with and I think we've had this conversation before, like
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: when women still sort of uphold the patriarchy. Yeah, and
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and and buy into it and don't.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Really see of it, and you're.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, and it's kind of like you know that
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: you know that we don't have to exist this way,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: like you're playing into the game and it's frustrating and
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that's you know, that's hard too. But what I loved
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: about them and Louise is, while to your point, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Louise is probably like this is hard. I appreciate though,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: that she did stick with her friend's evolution because it
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: is really easy to be like, Okay, you're not ready,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: we're not in the same I'm.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Out and luckily through robbing a convenience store, so he
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: gets with it. But then also but then like it's
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: still with such like a like at some point I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: really was in Louise's shoes and I had to think
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: with my open, smart, healed brain, and I was like,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: this girl is a liability. I could get to Mexico,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I could be living the life that I want to
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: live or I don't want to live. But I've shot
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: a man and this girl is a liability and we're
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: in the air of our Lord and Savior twenty twenty two.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: The apocalypse is nice, so we all have to start
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: making those lists, and it's like who's a liability and
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: who isn't because the zombies be coming, or the plague
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: or the you know, the button with the big booms,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: just like any of it. And I look at Penelope
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: sometimes and I'm like, you won't even get into this
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: fucking carrier, and one day I might have to board
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: a motherfucking train with you to try and get us
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: out of this country, and you're just sitting here being salty.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: And I have to think about that every day. And
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: at some point I was like, like my logic capricorn
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: kicked in and I was like, Thoma's a liability of Louise.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: You gotta cut her loose and take Jimmy to Mexico
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: with you, because, let me tell you, ladies, if you
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: call a man or if you text him on your phone,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: you're like, I did something it was bad and I
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: need money, and he doesn't just go, okay, how much,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't ask you any stupid follow up questions
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: like well, what did you do? How bad? Is it?
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Is it truly that bad? Are you sure? You're just
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: not being anxious. Then he's not the motherfucking one. He's
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: not the motherfucking one. When you get the phone call
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: that says I did something. It is bad, I need money.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: You will never hear from me again. The only acceptable
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: answer is okay.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, That's what I'm saying, Like, don't hate on Like
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you're not hitting on Jimmy right now, but you're earlier.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It's like, because he does pull through, he might you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: in the early part of the movie, they're just like
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: they're mad at each other. We don't know why they're fighting,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: we don't know why he and Louise are having a riff,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: but he fucking pulls through for her in a way
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: that it's just like unconditional because he's you know, it's
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: almost like he knows and understands, like he's not getting
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: this money back, he probably is never going to see
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: her again, but he's making a last ditch effort and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: he's supporting her through it and loving her through it anyway.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Well, and then I also wrote down I was like, Louise,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I think I don't even think I was talking to
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Louise at that point, because I don't know her Mama.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I was talking to everybody that I know, And I
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: was like, you don't call your man for your getaway money. No, men,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: be reckless. I go, you call your mom, your unhinged aunt. Like,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: we know who we call when we got to have
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: a getaway car and get away money. And it's not
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: our man, it's our mom or our unhinged aunties. Because
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: what I have learned as I get older is that
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: they have lived through some shit and they won't ask questions.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Okay unless it's my mom.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: No, no over there. On Namily's mama's side of things.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: On Namali's mama side of things, we send money and
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: we asked questions later, and we hope to hear from
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: you next Christmas.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Not ours, not ours. That's the kind of mom I am. Though,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like I need money, Okay, how much
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: is this enough? Am I enabling? I don't know? But
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. It's really shitty to justify why you
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: need money. It is like, don't put people through that
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: you don't know what's going on in their life, just
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: know they need.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Taking one more rapist off the streets.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Right, Like, come on, And the audacity of this man
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: who's when she's defending herself, and he's like, don't you
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: talk to me that way. I'm sorry, you were going
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: to do something that should be very intimate and personal
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: and loving in a very aggressive way. A part you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: don't get to talk to her that way.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: The audacity of men, the audacity.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: That's our first still comfy merged the audacity.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Of men, the audacity, because I will say that what
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I appreciated about the triggering scene is that for someone
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: who hasn't lived through anything like that, that is what
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I imagine it to be. I imagine it to be. You
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: were hanging out with someone you knew, and all of
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: a sudden, a flip switched in their head and they
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: got volatile and they turned ugly on you, and it
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: didn't matter what you said or what you did. If
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: they're stronger, bigger, or honestly will just hit you first,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: then they're gonna get the upper hand. And unfortunately, when
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: it comes to mental and emotional games that will be
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: played in my relationships, that is how it goes. It goes.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Natalie tries to assert herself and be like, hi, over here,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I'm strong and I'm my own person, and then the
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: person who feels fragile about that has to get the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: upperhand mentally, emotionally, and luckily I've never been in a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: physical situation like that. But when I think about all
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: of the things that we've talked about onto, all the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: men I've tolerated before, the more that I go okay.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: So in the nineties we had to concentrate because I
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: feel like assault was a big plot point in the nineties,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: but as like a negative plot point, not like in
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: the sexy way that games of Game of Thrones tries
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: to throw it off, like, hey, we took someone without
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: their permission. Again, ayay, it's still iky, but then we
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: gave her dragons.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, it's still icky. Regardless of century.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: It's ichy. It is the year of our say Lord
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: and Savi, you're twenty twenty two. So in the nineties,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I truly feel like the only way that we could
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: get across that women are treated badly and our society
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and culture is by hitting and assaulting them, and then
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: that would leak into the two thousands with our lovely
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: PSAs of like don't leave your drinks unattended? Right, be
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: walking at dark? Why are you walking at dark?
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Between your fingers walking numbers.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Because we have lived through the nineties media of what
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: do women do in movies? They get hit? And then
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: in now in the upper twenties, I feel like abusers
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: are just so sneaky about it now. Yeah, and then
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: we have to start portraying like, okay, so what does
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: it look like when someone gets in your head and
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: starts fucking messing around with you? Like? What is it like?
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: The gas lighting and the manipulation and the narcissism that
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: women are going through in their relationships, Like it's all partnered.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: It all started in the nineties with Thema and Louise,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: and every line that Thema or that Louis says in
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: this movie has not budged one millimeter right when she
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: was saying it in the nineties, right.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Well, and to your point, I think you know, in
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the nineties we were in a position to actually start
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: telling those stories, but we were telling them in a
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: way that was shocking. And then over time, because the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: more the stories are being told, the more nuanced they
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: can get, because now we're getting the groundwork's been laid,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Now the path has been paved, and we can start
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: having more of that in depth conversation. What are the nuances?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: What does this look like when somebody does play your
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: head games? Because I'm pretty sure Darryl was playing head
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: games with Louise her entire life. That just would have
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: not been as easily understood until we start with the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: violence and then work our way backwards. And that's where
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: we are now. I think with the work our way
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: backwards portion of it, where we can get into that
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: point of like, here's like the psychology behind it, because
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: now we have studies, Now we have these conversations. Now
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: people do feel more comfortable and confident coming forward and
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: speaking about their experiences. And then how do we translate
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: that into a version of art?
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: And I do get that that scene with Jimmy, the
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: last scene with Jimmy and Louise when he comes and
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: he brings the money and you find out that he
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: was going to marry her, and it's like he might
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: not be the best guy, but he is a guy
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: that loves you the best or whatever, and you're just
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: sitting there and you're like, well, Louise, I've been there too.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I've been there too. When you're looking at the fool
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and you're trying to suss it out and you're like, well,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: do you love me? Is this a mind game? Is
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: this just some power play? Because someone before me made
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: you feel fragile? Did I make you feel fragile? And
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: now you got to take me down one? Because I've
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: been in the take me down one relationship too, and
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: for all of that to come out and for Louise
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: to not have the resources to actually heal in the
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: way where she like and Susan Swingdon does a great
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: job of flipping that switch in that same tune when
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: she actually realizes, Oh, he wasn't running around on me,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: he wasn't staying away from me because he's no good
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: like he literally I think, is he a truck driver.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Or something like musician?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: There you go, no wonder, I'm taking his side, but
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: he's got to be out on the road. So the
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: moment you can see it on Susan Sarandon's face when
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Louise flips the script in her head and she goes, fuck,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Jimmy's loved me all along and he loved me the
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: right way. M H. And I think that that part
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: of the story is important to tell too, because so
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: many me personally and so many women I know, we
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: don't know how to tell anymore like we've been ran around,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: abused gaslet you know, all manipulated into situations. We want
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: to be manipulating in all of it, to the point
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: where it's really fucking hard to tell anymore.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Well, and we're not conditioned as women to just be
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: upfront about something. If something's bothering me, I don't have
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the conf well that's not true. I have the confidence
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: to be like, what the fuck is wrong with like
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: what is going on? Calling out kind of stuff. But
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that's just not what our society supports and encourages. So,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: you know, Louise probably didn't feel like she could say, Jimmy,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: what is going on? Like I'm feeling insecure in our relationship?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: And like turns out if she had said that, it
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: probably would have been received, which for nineteen ninety one
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: is kind of a big deal because we don't have
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: that type of representation until you know, the last five years,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: we're starting to see stuff like that, not even in
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the last three years. Maybe we're starting to see stuff
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: like that where men are being vulnerable, are being loving
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: represented through pop culture. It's still in the minority, but
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: guys like Jimmy aren't. We don't see them a lot.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: That's why I know we're not talking about it. That's
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: why in season three I started feeling bad for Pakiston.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Is that his name? The good looking one? Yeah? Yeah,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I started feeling bad for Pakistan because clearly Paxton lived
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: a life before Debbie, and like every time Paston walked
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: into a room, whether he opened into his goddamn beuth
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: or not, someone would be the first to jump on
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: him and be like, he's a bad guy, He'll fuck
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: you and dump you. And like he did it. He
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: also sat in a room and apologize for hours on
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: end to every woman that he did it too. But
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I think the brilliant thing with that character, Patson, is
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: that you see him be so emotional about that. Yeah,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: we're like, well, how long am I going to have
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: to live that? Down? Right? I have made mistakes, right right?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Just if only Debbie could just be the person who
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: would be like, oh, And so that's the thing that
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: always bothered me about relationships just in general, when girls
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: or guys, men or women couldn't accept the fact that
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: your partner had a life before you, and so then
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you'd get all in your head, create your own story
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and narrative without talking to somebody. I hate that shit.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I had a friend that would do that with her
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: boyfriend all the time, and it was like and so
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: then I would come in with something logical and reasonable, reasonable, like, oh,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's probably because of this because I've been
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: single for a long long time, and so no, I
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: don't think that's it. And then she'd finally get emotional
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: to have a meltdown, and then they talk about it
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: because he's like, why are you crying right now? What
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: did I do? And then she tells him and he's like, no,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: if you had just asked, this is the answer, and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, and then it would turn out I
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: was fucking right. But she would create this story in
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: her head about everything instead of talking to him about it.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: And it's so infuriating that that kind of shit happens.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: And I think that's another reason why that scene between
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Jimmy and Louise is so beautiful, because she's realizing like, oh.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Like, I've had sixty five conversations with Jimmy this past week,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: and fifty five of them were in my own head.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Uh huh. Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: And it works both ways too, because sixty five percent
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: of the conversations that men have had with me have
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: been in their own head.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Then you and then here I am sitting in an
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: olive garden vibing with my breadsticks. It's all you can
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: eat bread sticks. Oh, because when I'm there, I'm family.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And it's very Italian. So I'm glad they're staying on
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: brand with my people.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to be at Olive Garden with that
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: good uh salad dressing and you're literally and I've said
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: whatever the triggering word was that, like we had a
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: fight about that I wasn't present too earlier, and then
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: you're giving me the silent treatment and I'm just sitting
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: there and I'm like, Hi, I'm just trying to really
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: like enjoy my spaghetti carbonara even though we are at
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Olive Garden and it's crazy as fuck, so I'm like
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: literally mopping it up with my free bread sticks. Yeah,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: and I would just like to know why you are
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: secretly mad at me. And then there it's the double down, right,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: it's the I'm not mad. I wish you could see
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: your face right now in this motherfucking Olive garden and
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I might put you on blast on TikTok over it
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: late and people just like, and I don't. I mean
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: it was the fifties. We're going to go see don't worry, Darlene,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: and we're going to figure out where we all decided
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: that it was better to conceal. Don't feel it wasn't Elsa,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: it was the fifties.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's the other part of it too, Like
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: it took me a long time to learn that when
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not ready to talk, rather than saying I'm fine,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I say I'm not ready, but I will let you
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: know when I'm ready, because you know, ye, yeah, I'm
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: in the process of breaking down. I'm debriefing internally how
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I feel, and I don't know how to articulate it.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Like we don't create that culture for that, because you
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: do have situations where poor Thelma has been trying to
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: our articulate what she wants her entire fucking life, apparently
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: because they started dating at fourteen, and he's shooting her down,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: constantly creating self doubt, creating lack of worth on purpose
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: to keep her in her place so he can do
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell he wants and still maintain his image.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: And so then you create this environment where we just
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: don't feel like we can talk because there's no validity
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: to it, and we don't learn the language, and we
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: don't allow ourselves spaces to have the language to say
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I'm upset, but I can't talk about it right now.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Well, and like you know, and we're always talking about
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: how millennials did the work so the gen z could fly, right.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: We watched our mothers, our aunts, our grandmothers basically be
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: told to quiet down.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I have sat in a room with my mother, my aunts,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: my grandmother, whatever, and I have watched them express a
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: nee if to just leave into the ether mm hmmm,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: while it got ignored and floated away and then just
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: floated out of reach for anyone to help fucking with, right,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and and what it does. And again this is why
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: like parenting and paying attention to how you're speaking to
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: people in front of your kids so fucking important, because
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: what it paints in my head is no one's going
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: to take care of my needs but myself. I'm not
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: important enough to care about. People got stressed, people got guilt,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: people got a job. People, they're messy, and I gotta
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: do what I gotta do to survive.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, what's really frustra one of the things that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I think the movie really highlights well is how what's
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for? Harvey kai Tell's character is
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: like he to me, he seemed genuine, right, Like he
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: genuinely sees that this is a flu they're actually truly
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: harmless women, you know all these games. I'm choosing to
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: believe that he because in the end when he's like,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: why are why all this heavy artillery for chasing these women?
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: This is ridiculous, Like he's basically calling out this guy
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: for calling in fucking snipers to take out these two
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: women who literally have no Well we don't know what
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Louise's deal is, but Thelma is an innocent essentially prior
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: to this and so, oh my god, where did my
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: train go?
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: So you thought the cop was genuine and.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and so I'm thinking so so he he made.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: So what the movie I think does really well is
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: kind of show like regardless, like there's that there's that
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: delicate balance between like, oh, I'm so sad, like this
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: thing happened, I'm crying, and men are uncomfortable so they
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: just cave. They're a delicate balance between that and they're
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: armed in dangerous So we need snipers and the helicopter
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and everybody. They're armed in dangerous. She's got a thirty
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: fucking thirty eight Like, no, I'm sorry, a thirty eight
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: compared to your sniper. The sniper's gonna win every time.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: You need to calm down.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: So I think what the movie does greatly if we
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: are choosing to believe that the cop is a sympathetic character, I'm.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Still just the one Harvey the.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Cop. That is how he will be referred to.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Madaline Hardy tells an amazing actor.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: No I love him. Okay, I love him. I was
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: so happy to see him.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: But then, hijo, she's now that we have an outside,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: She's like, you will open this door and let me outside,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: So that's what she wants. You keep talking while I
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: let her out.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, are you being able to hear me? Okay, Sonny.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Think what the movie does beautifully is the foil between
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Geena Davis and Susan Sarandon and then the cop and
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: how the snowball gets away from you because we have
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: all been on the top of the hill with a
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: little clump of snow going Damn, I lied to my husband,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: and then you make one more choice, and it's like
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I lied to my husband and then I continue to
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: sex that man that I work with, and then it
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: continues to snowball. And what the movie highlighted for me
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: was there are all of these opportunities to sit back, breathe,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: and reassess your situation. And it happens with Thelma and
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Louise because all of the sudden, you know, we killed
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: a guy. Now we're robbing people, and now we're holding
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: cops at gunpoint, all of it. But it happens with
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: the cop too because he's like, Okay, you know this
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: guy got shot at a bar. It is my job
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: to figure out how that happens. And then when he's
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: convinced that he knows who it is, but then he
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: also doesn't know how to pin it on them or
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: get a hold of them because it's not like they
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: had his cell phone to track.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: It's wire tapping your phone.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Then he has to call the FBI, and that's another
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: evolution of the snowball getting out of his control. So
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: you're doing all of these things in panic because you
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: think that that's what's going to get you the most control.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: But what it's doing is it's making that snowball bigger
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: and faster down that hill.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely absolutely, And the whole time they're in that
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: chase scene again, I'm sitting there thinking, gosh, like, you
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: know who could have helped mitigate the Alma's fucking husband, Oh, Darryl.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Daryl could have said, my wife's not like this. You
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: guys should maybe like dial it back.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know who hurt Darryl, but they did a
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: number on Darryl because he Thelma was just chained to
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: her microwave all day every day. But for some reason,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Daryl thought that well number one, Daryl was projecting his
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: own behaviors onto Thelma, right, Like Darryl was clearly either
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: running around on Thelma or finding some reason to know.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, he was one hundred percent running around on Thema.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I remember when she said I called him at four
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: am and he wasn't home. And then she also makes
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: that statement to where it's like, oh, I don't I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: you're working late again, Like that's so weird that people
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: be buying cars so late on a Friday. I understand,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: girl's not afraid to call you out in the nicest way,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: like that's the extent of what she'll do.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Sometimes people are still gambling at four am. We all
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: got vices. Yeah, so he's projecting all of the shittiness
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: that lives into his soul onto Thelma, because that's what
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: abusing like to do. They like to make you out
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: to be the person who can't be trusted and the
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: person who's actually doing the majority of the hurting, because
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: it just wipes you out at the bottom to have
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: any sort of lugs to stand on when you're like, hey,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's nice that you're dating women behind
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: my back. Then all of a sudden, they've got a
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: laundry list of things that they've made up about you
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: because you went out to dinner with Louise.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Also, I felt bad when Jimmy got tricked into telling
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: them about Mexico.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, Jimmy, wait, you mean you mean JD.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: JD's the one that told me about Mexico.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, I heard Jimmy, Like I heard that they had
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: gone to Jimmy's house. No, Jimmy, I d JD.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Jimmy I d D Jimmy, I d JD. And then
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: JD is the one who is like, they're probably going
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: to Mexico.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: And I was like Jimmy, you don't get involved at all.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: That's why we call our mamas and our unhinged ants
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: because we know I'll look at whatever, make sure you
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: want me to look at, but I'm not getting involved.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know these people. I don't know you. I
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: don't know these people in your mug shots. I've never
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: met bradmitt one day in my life.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: You know, that's an interesting thing too, because on the
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: one hand, you know, it's like saying something could be
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: the difference. So there that's the balance, right, Like you
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: say something when someone's been kidnapped or taken, but you
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: keep your mouth shut when it comes to like a murder.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Well, but see if it was the other way around,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: it was a bunch of dudes murdering a woman, I
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: wouldn't keep my mouth shut right circumstances.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Everything legal advice is for women and women only getting
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: the ways of crimes. That's all bilegal advice is. Is
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: that for men. Is not for men to get away
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: with the crimes that they commit against us. They already do. Yeah,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: that one who's already living in my neighborhood.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Again, somebody something else that we didn't talk about that
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I think is a nice little frame parallel situation in
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: the movie as well is the truck driver. He sort
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: of represents all men in a way. This movie ps
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: People accused this movie of Miss Sandry.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, of course they did, because women were just living
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: in the world and observing how men treated them, and
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: they're like, the Sandry, don't you hold a mirror up
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: to me? I love how this movie filmed men because
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: even when an old man was just sitting there looking
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: at you, you felt like it was the most lecherous
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: old man that you had ever run into in your
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: entire life. I'm like, I love how this movie. This
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: is the perfect I like to get hunt up on
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: the female gaze because I don't know what it looks
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: like in film or literature compared to the male gaze
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: because we don't see it very often. And then someone
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: trying to explain it to me in a very sexual
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: like in a sexual context, but I was like, no,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: this is the female gaze. Looking at like he could
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: literally tie you up and throw you in his truck.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: This is the female gaze.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: And what's interesting is on over on pop culture makes
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: me jealous. We have this conversation all the time, like
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: a film written by a woman and directed by a man,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: there's always some sort of miss that happens. But in
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the case of Felm and Louise, that's not true. Ridley
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Scott does an amazing job directing this film. It's like
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: he It's like it's like, first of all, it was
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: like five years ago. Hold on, it was like probably
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: like five years ago when I realized it was a
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Ridley Scott film, which is kind of shitty because like, right.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: In the first ten seconds Scott.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it does wat in a while. Sometimes I
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: don't pay attention to the opening credits. It's fine, but
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: but it he he does it so masterfully that you
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: forget that, like so so then it's like, okay, guys,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: why can't you tell stories female stories?
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Then because of Ridley's can do it and win an
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Academy Award, why are the rest of you failing?
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Did Ridley Scott do it? Or did Gina and Susan
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: make it easy for him to do it well?
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: And then that becomes the combination of like, you have
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the perfect pairing because you have a director who I'm
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: assuming I don't know. You have a director who understands
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: how to work with his leading cast and just all
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: of this cast, but his leading roles, and then he's
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: created an environment where you can be excel in what
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: you do because I think we had this conversation. I
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: don't know when we had this conversation, but in.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: One of our other lives, think about it where it's
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: like you had the best cast in the world and
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: this is the trash.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because because what happens is is the director's always
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: right as an actor, at least in theater. And we've
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: had and I can't remember which episode we've talked about
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: this on, but it was a still compy episode. In theater,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: you don't go against what the director says. The director
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: says of their.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Own Yeah, I said that Abby Jacobson is not getting notes.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: No one's giving Abby Jacobson notes because if they did,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: she'd be doing a better job.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: You you.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: The director has the final say. The director listens in
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: theory to the producer. I don't know about television and film,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: but in theater, that's how it works. The director tells
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: the actors what the dude. The actors do not necessarily
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: have the freedom or flexibility you could challenge, but then
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: that puts your career in jeopardy, YadA, YadA, YadA. So
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: when you have an environment like with the one I'm
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: assuming Ridley Scott created where you can have such star
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: power used well and properly to execute the story and
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: capture all the nuance that Thelma and Louise captures, I'm
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: again left with why can't the rest of these fools
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: figure it out?
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Because they don't want to, because, like in the case
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: of a league of their own, we just applaud the
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: lazy storytelling. I try to have this conversation over the
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: weekend because I was told I was wrong, and it
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: was by a person who hasn't even watched that show
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: that we talked about on Tuesdays, and she's like, I
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: heard it was good. I'm like, so I go. People
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: are trained to like mediocrity. That's why Virgin River is
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: gonna last until I die?
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Is it? Because we are because the world is such
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: a heinous dumpster fire. We just need something that's easy, pasy, breezy.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I miss impact of storytelling. I do I like because
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: for me that's what it is. It's the range of emotions,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: and you're supposed to make me feel emotions. You know
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: what I'm gonna say it. That Idrius Alba movie Beast,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: where he punches a cgi lion to save his kids.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: It was the most tense movie I've ever been at,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: and they made it heartfelt somehow.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Wait, did you go see Beast?
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: I did on Saturday for three dollars Movie Day, three
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: dollar movie Day at every cinema. Yeah, let me know
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: when you want to sponsor me.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, girl, I didn't realize I missed three dollars movie Day.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I was really sad about it. But this is what
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: happens when we don't talk on the weekends. I don't
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: know what's happening in your life.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: This is what happens every time my sister comes to visit.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: She comes to visit and we're sitting in around and
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: there will be a stupid movie that is plain that
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: we know that no one will sit in a movie
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: theater for but us. And then one of us side
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: guy's the other one and they're like, so that ridiculous
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: movie right where like you just Alba punches that lion
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: in a face, right, like that's gonna be so dumb,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: And then the other one goes, yeah, it probably is
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: gonna be dumb, but like I wouldn't hate watching the
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: el punch a lion out of the car and then
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: you sit there in your life. So we're gonna go
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: see the Lion tomorrow, right like we did it with
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: that movie that was shot on the iPhone where that
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: woman gets admitted into the Psyche word without Yeah, I
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: forget what that movie was, but it changed us.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. It's but it's you're right though,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: because Okay, so there's this fine line that's happening, right
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: because like there's this conversation happening on I think it's
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: TikTok where people are like, you know, name a name
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: a black movie within the last ten years that didn't
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: have a heavy handed message about being black and what
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: it's like to be black in America. And I was like,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: but they're not in America.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Oh they are in Africa.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, different, And and like there is.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: This whole b plot about how like his wife came
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: from the African village that they are in and she's
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: done dead and so like his kids hate him and
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: he's just trying to connect with them in Africa.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Let's go to your mother's roots. Here.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: You've got a bunch of lion lion.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind. Seeing self is fine, honestly.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: And you know what, it makes my rule, It makes
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: my This movie is an hour and a half long,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: and therefore it will be perfect, everything nice, nice, and
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: it will do exactly what I needed to do. There
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: you go, let's oh hey, let's throw out the craw Dads.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: People literally masturbated with that book on Crawdads, like, oh,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: have you read where the Crawdads Sing? No? I haven't.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: I hadn't. It's the book of our generation. And then
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I saw the movie because Taylor Swift slaps and I
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: wanted to see what petty feelings she put into song. Also,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: my air conditioning was broken, so I so I went
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: and I went and saw the Crawdads and I told Jules,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, I get it. I enjoyed it.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: The value is pretty everyone did a good job. It's
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: a decent story. I go, but it's just to kill
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: a mockingbird with a little white girl from the swamp.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: It didn't make me feel anything. I was never stressed
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: out for her. Nothing. I was like, those are gonna
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: work out for you?
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: You're yeah. It was just a beautifully shot film with
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: decent costumes.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yea, theaters in the Beast movie too. And you know,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I'm out of all the animals in the chain, I
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: never want to look at gator in the eye because
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: they're sneaky and they're fast.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: That's that's how they survive. Like uh huh. I don't
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: understand people who have them as pets Like that doesn't
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: make any sense to me. I don't get it.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Forget this unhinged lion that is trying to then seek
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: vengeance on it killed. I'm worried about the gators. They
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I've watched a gator eat a shark.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: No, I'm cool, I'm good.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I've seen that YouTube video.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're good. I don't ever want to see that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: YouTube video. Please don't send it to me.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Take down a shark?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: No, I'm good. I'm not a fan. I do think
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: that with like I personally feel that Thumb and Louise is.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: You know know, what's what I'm trying to say. You
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people praise it for being this
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: like feminist, iconic movie all these things, but what I
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: think it really does is highlights just how hard it
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: is to be a woman. Yeah, when it comes to
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: wanting autonomy. You know, Susan Sarandon. Louise, she has autonomy
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: in some way, right, She's allowed to have a job.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: She clearly was running from something, all these things. But
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Thelma wants autonomy so bad, but she doesn't realize and
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: know that she wants it until after that fateful night
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: in the bar parking lot. And so here they are
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: now trying to figure out how to exist in a
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: way where they can still have this, you know, they
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: can exist within this awakening. But then the world's like,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: you done did something bad, and oh, if you had
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: told us the truth, you'd probably still go to Jill.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Probably. Also the thing about Louise and what it highlighted
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: for me, it's what this world makes us give up
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: in order to be a woman with autonomy.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the thing that really is hard with that is,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: you know, the fact that she It's how far would
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: self defense had gone? Really? Would anybody have believed that?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Probably not?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing that's really sad, because then again,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: even in death, this situation still prevails and favors men.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think for Louise, like and back to
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: like your friends marrying mediocre dudes, and then you just
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: having to watch It's like Louise doesn't even have the
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: like luxury to marry her mediocre dude Jimmy, because like
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: it then robs her of everything that she's built for herself.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: You and I talk about that a lot. It's one
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: of the reasons why I don't want to have kids,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: because it's like there's nothing that like Rob's women of
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: their autonomy faster than motherhood in the yeah tury.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I say, I've said it before and I'll
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: say it again. It's a solid ten years that you're
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: giving up for sure, and then after that it just
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: kind of depends. Like in my situation, I think my
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: child was like ten or eleven when he started gaining
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: a little bit of independence. And by independence I mean
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: like going to friends' houses because he had a solid
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: group of friends that I didn't have to be at them.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Did you say, try so.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Driving cars and thenk you just got you know, like
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: she's gonna let it lie like she was letting her
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: ten year old drug cars.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. No. But like you know, now you're
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: at the friend's house and I don't have to be
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: there because, like I know, the parents we've exchanged, you know,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: We've had enough interactions where I feel like my child
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: will not get shot in your home for some reason
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and so you do get a little
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: bit back there. And the only surely it's what's hard
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: right now for me to watch is you know people
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: who overschedule their kids, because then you're not getting anything back.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: You're just continuing that ten year position of being beholden
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: to this little human who's dependent because you're their taxi.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: So you have to Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Saturday mornings do something with them every single day rather
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: than allowing space to just be for stillness and quietness.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: And for me, that was the saving grace in parenting,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: where it was just like it's quiet.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: Time on Thursdays. We don't do anything. You be in
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: your room, you tell me when you're ready for me
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: to make dinner, and it's just.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: You know, And then I get stressed out when I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: watch mothers try to have autonomy. I didn't tell you
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: this because we didn't talk this weekend because I had.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Guests and I was moving.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: You were moving. But there was an eighteen month.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Movie and she.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Was crying because the movie is stressful. Yeah, like I'm tense.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Like I've seen that trailer every single time I've gone
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: to the movies in the last three months, which is
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: a lot. And by the time we got to like
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: the Crawdad's movie, I was like, I can't with this
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: trailer anymore. I will have a heart attack, Like.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Number on the Lion. They made the Lion look scary,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: and we went into the five o'clock movie and we
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: were walking out and like, I get it. You want
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: to see a damn movie, and maybe you thought your
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: kid would sleep through it, but movies are loud. You're
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: gonna walk them up those stairs, like they can smell popcorn.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: We all love popcorn. You argued with them about the
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: expensive popcorn, and then like, and they were late, so
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: then they also have to fight through the people. So
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: the kids started crying before they were even seated. Oh
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: and then you gotta walk out. And then they came
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: back and the kids started crying again. And again I
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: don't know what happened, because these kids cry and then
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're not. I'm like, would you
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: smother that kid? I know that that's not how kids
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: quiet down.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just felt.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: And I told my sister. I was like, I'm about
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: to start going to ten pm movies, but you know
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: what would still happen? So to watch parents like try
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: to have a little bit of autonomy over what they
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: get to do, and watching it still not be what
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: you want to be doing because you just wanted to
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: watch Idris Alba punch a lion and your kids crying?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: So do we just not hire babysitters anymore? Like is
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: that not a thing people do anymore? Do we just
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: not trust people to watch our children anymore?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: That has to be it.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: It had I I don't know what I would have done.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I had five grandparents to access and then you know
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: that's but there's a lot of stuff that goes into that.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: It's a totally different conversation. But when none of them
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: are available, did hire people?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, and I was the street babysitter, said every
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: kid that lived on my street, and I would just like,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: who's going out this weekend? And sometimes it would be like, Nope,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: You've got all of them, and we've agreed that you
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: will be in this basement with every parent is paying
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: you something or or like I would literally just like
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: rotate and I would end up with all of them eventually,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: because you play in the yard and then all of
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: the gremlins would come. Mami's got the good snacks. So
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's happened to babysitter culture. I have
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: no idea. I have to imagine that people just don't
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: have the disposable cash to pay people what it should
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: actually cost, because.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Like, that's true, that's fair, because if groceries are expensive,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: then hiring a babysitter is expensive too.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: And so I I was a baby sitter in the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: early two thousands, Like I graduated high school in two
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: thousand and seven. I probably started babysitting when I was
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: in seventh or eighth grade because they were all on
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: the street. I didn't have to go anywhere. And I'm
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: thinking that I probably made twenty five to thirty bucks
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: every night, and because it was literally just like what
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: cash parents had on them, and you were like, no
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: one cared about minimum wage when you're thirteen, right, So
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: then I think the most I ever got paid was
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: like fifty or sixty bucks, but that's because the parents
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: didn't realize that they had double paid me. And then
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: my mom went, why do you have this bunch money?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: And I went, they double paid me because Dad came
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: home later than or like earlier than mom. But like
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Dad paid me beforehand because he knew that he was
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: going to get rowdy and he couldn't count when he
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: got home. And then Mom came home early and she
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: double paid me. And Mom walked my money back over there,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: and hot Mom was like, you double paid her, and
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: they were like, but they only got one on us
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: because we're moron, So just letter keep that money. Was
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: because they were like the neighbors were like when you
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: signed up to babies that for them, you were like,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: this could be till one am, this could be till
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: four am. We don't know. Yeah, but yeah, I don't
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: know what's happening with babysitters.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. I'd be curious. I should pool my friends
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: with small children because it's, like I've mentioned many times
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: on my show, I had children ten years before everybody
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: else did. We never finished, did we finish talking about
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: the truck driver or did we digress?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: We digressed into how he was a reflection of every man,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: but they shot every man like they were a potential.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Threat, right right.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: I loved that. Yeah, the truck driver, like just for me.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: It illustrated the escalation, right because at first it's just
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: like the wink and like the lude like jackob gesture,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: and then he bringing at you and then like all
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And then by the time they
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: get they find you know, they're like, hey, come follow us,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: wink wink, and he's like hey girl, and he's like
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: pulling off his wedding ring and all this stuff. And
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: then when they're like, do you think it's appropriate to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: talk to people like that, You're crazy. I'm sorry. A
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: woman calling you out for talking to them like they're
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: a sexual object only on the planet for your wanton
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: desire does not make her crazy. Also, can we stop
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: just referring to women as crazy? Yeah, period the end,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: even if they have a diagnosis from a professional. We
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: are not doing this anymore. It is not okay.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: So the one and only barfight that I almost instigated,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: I was at the Silent Disco because Silent Disco is
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: a safe place. It's my favorite way to club. You're
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: all wearing your own headphones, having a single experience together.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: No one has ever touched me or said something gross
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: to me at Silent Disco, but someone said something gross
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: to my friend. Oh, and he wouldn't leave, and he
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: wanted her to leave with him, and she knew him,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: and like he came because he knew he would be there,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: and he was trying to get her to go with
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: him and be like blow off your friends bla blah
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And then you started talking to her
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: nasty because he was accusing her friend zoning him. And
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: then I informed him that the friend zone was just
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: an excuse that weak men used when they're two mediocre
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: to date. Yeah, but they think they've done all the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: groundwork because you may or may not have gotten her
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: a couple of water once.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: So so then he called me some slurs that then
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: they're the type of slurs that you use in reference
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: to women who date women, because his go to was,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: if you're calling me out for being nasty to your friend,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: you must not like dick at all or whatever. And
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: he was like nasty to me, and then I just
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: remember taking my little like wristlet purse and pivoting to
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: my other friend who was with us, and I went,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: hold this, and she went, do you need to take
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: off your earrings? No? And I looked at him and
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: I went, here's the thing. You can either walk away
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: from this now and walk away of it still walking
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: like you could walk in, or else, I'm going to
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: take you out into this parking lot or really right here,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: and I will beat you until your friends don't even
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: recognize you, and you will have to call one of
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: your bros to come and get you and tell them
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: how hard I hit you. And he looked at me,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: and I went, seriously, say one more thing to me
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: or my friends, because that's how we do it on
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: MoMA's side of the family. And he looked at me
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: and he went, now, I'm going to go home. And
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, right, because I'm scary.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how we managed to create a world
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: we we had nothing to do with it because we
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: weren't allowed to vote until well, my people weren't allowed
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: to vote until nineteen sixty four years, weren't allowed to
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: vote until nineteen twenty nineteen nineteen hundred years. Yeah, So, like,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: how did society manage to evolve in a way where
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: this is still Here's what tries it crazy. On the
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: one hand, my black community, my folks on the black side,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: are constantly told.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: It was so long ago slavery was so long.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Ago, get over it. But then on the other hand,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: we can't you want to excuse horrible male behavior because
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: that's how it's been for centuries. So do you see
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: how I'm confused because this man, these men in this film,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: and in my opinion, there's two that are okay, Jimmy
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: and the cop. You disagree about the cop, and that's fine,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: it's allowed. But it's like one of those moments in
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: life when I'm just like, how is it that Jimmy
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: is the only one who is evolved enough to not
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: be like these bitches be crazy?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Because your actions and behavior haven't driven me to a
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: point where I can't take it anymore? Like, why isn't
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: that acknowledged?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Well, and I remembered a point that I wanted to
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: make at the beginning of the show.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: M hm.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: So I am a true crime probably former fan at
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: this point where like I can't live in it anymore. However,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: I am very aware of the difference that happens when
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: men commit crimes and women commit crimes, And how we
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: talk about when women commit crimes. Yeah, And first off,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: they'll tell you, well, according to studies, women only kill
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: people for money. Now, I've watched a lot of Snapped.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say Snapped the original True Kind podcast, But.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: They will say that I think the difference is when
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: I look at when women commit crimes and when men
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: commit crimes, is men will just commit crimes because they've
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: had a feeling.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: And they don't know how to deal with that feeling
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: because they're not allowed to be in touch with their feelings.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Women will commit crimes to solve a problem that they
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: themselves did not account for. Okay, so Louise solved a problem.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she sure did. She sure did.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: And then when presented with another problem, THEILMA solved it,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: and she solved another one when the cop was giving
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: Louise a hard time and all of it. So there's
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: just like a difference between But we're labeled the crazy ones.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: We're not feeling anyone because we're angry or we're sad,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: or we have cramps.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Or because we feel left down right.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: It's literally just because like you hit us, or you
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: took our money, or we're weird with our kid or
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: any of it. Yeah, but men will look at you
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: and be like, did you think Kylie of yourself for
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: a fucking moment and kill you. Yeah, and kill you?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well like and that's proof. That's that's that theory
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: is strengthened by the way Harlan flips on Thelma.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, did you think that your body was your own?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: I believe I bought you not one, but three drinks
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: that I probably I couldn't tell if it was laced,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: because I can't tell when people started putting things in drinks.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: When did that start happening on the scene.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: My first memory of being told to be mindful of
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: my beverages, I think it was sixteen, so that was
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: in two thousand.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: So, But at the same time, if Thelma isn't somebody who,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: first of all, liquor and beer hit bodies differently, So
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: if she's not one who normally does a lot of
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: alcohol consumption, that wild turkey with a coke back, this
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: is gonna hit real hard. And when did they eat,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: so she's drinking on another stomach.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I don't drink often, but when I do drink, it's, uh,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: it's a good time.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm actually man, I am not a fan.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: If you're not a fun drunk, we cannot drink twogether
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: because I am a fuck Like I am loving and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: happy eat. I mean I'm like that anyway, but like
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: it's just way more fun. Like I'm just a joyful person,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: and so when people are angry, I'm just like, that's
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: not a vibe. We mean, you should not you need
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: to be banned to this person goodbye.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just it's one of those things where
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, the narrative always seems to be flipped.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: My new favorite narrative that needs to be flipped is
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: when a scientist came out and said, here's the thing.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: When women are on their periods, their body produces more testosterone.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: So when you're saying that they can't regulate their own
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: emotions they're too angry, what if they pressed a button
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: or something. Because they are leaders, that means that no
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: man should ever be a leader because they naturally have
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: more testosterone than all of us. I was like, thank
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: you science.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's so it's just, first of all, it
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: breaks my heart that thel Menlois is still super relevant.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Later like that's like we've got to do better. We
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: have got to do better.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: Secondly, I mean, I can't do any more better. I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: made a podcast I got in T shirt. Yeah, I
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: guess all my friends it's more.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Of a collective we rather than a you and I
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: weed because they are doing work to sort of call
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: out these egregious behaviors. Use you more so in the
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: world of misogyny, mine more so in the world of race.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: With that said, it is because I think so I was.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: It came out in ninety one, so I was probably said.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to watch Radar movies until I was seventeen,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: so I probably saw it in two thousand and one.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Were you allowed to watch it rated? Our movies that
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: your parents wanted to watch though, because I wasn't allowed
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: to watch Josie and the PLUSI CAATs because it was
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: PG thirteen. However, I was allowed to sit through Water World, so.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: My parents, my mother has a strong no rated R
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: rating rule. Yeah, for as long as I can remember.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: And I forgot for a while because you know, when
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: you don't live with your family and you don't do
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, and then I was like, oh, Mommy,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: do you want to go see this movie with you?
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: She's like, what's their? It's like, oh, She's like nope,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: It's like what She's like I don't see rated our
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: movies and it's like, oh, I forgot about that. But
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: having seen this movie at seventeen, it kind of was
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: like this moment of like, is this what I have
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: to worry about? Like because coming from a world and
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: now I'm having a whole revolution revelation about my youth.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: And but that's not the point. That's not this podcast,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: is not this episode. But you know, it was this
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: moment of like, men can be harmful? Like what because
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: that wasn't necessarily the world I understood, because now that
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I'm older and we have better language for it, I
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: understand there are things that happened to me that were
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: way more nuanced than what they were than what we
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: see in Thema Louise. But it was that little note
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: of like, you need to be you need to be
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: on your game because they will call you crazy if
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: you try and say something happened.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: To you, and it is on you to be on
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: your game. No one in this world is going to
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: keep you saying right, so you better do it right.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: Because I also remember, not that she ever said it
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: out loud, but the way that my mother would talk
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: to me about assault or getting myself in trouble or
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: any of it at a party, at the movie theater,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: anything was you know better, You've been.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Told better, Like yeah, it's always on you, or it.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: Doesn't make it doesn't happen.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: And to an extent, it's like, yes, you control how
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: much you handle yourself, right. Like I had a conversation
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: with a friend a couple of years ago, a couple
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: of months ago, I don't know what it's time, and
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: she was at a party and she had said, you know,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: don't let me. She told me, She's like, don't let
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: me get too drunk. And he's like, you're the only
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: one in control of that. Fair, Like that is a
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: fair point. But there is a point too. I had
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: another friend another time. She had a drink at a
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: wedding and was pretty much knocked out, and everyone's like
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: that strange, And it's like, you were probably drugged because
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: you have a very high alcohol tolerance the amount of
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: alcohol you consume. You had a glass of wine and
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: you were you were drugged. You were one hundred percent drugged.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: But you know, nobody wanted to acknowledge that whatever. So
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: there's like a level again, it's that it's the nuances,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: it's the balance. It's the circumstances, and I think that
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Thelma and Louise really brings all of that to light.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a friend one time pretend like he
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: was going to slip something in my drink to the bartender,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: and I was standing there. So my friend thought that
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: that joke was gonna land. No, but he made the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: joke like, I, you know, I'm gonna put something in it,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: you know, so she's nicer, and the bartender laughed, and
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: I looked at him, and I had I realized that
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: every buddy was making a really poor joke, and I
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: will scream at him later about it. I go. But
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: as a bartender who is handling women's drinks all day,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: every day, I would hope that you would take that
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit more seriously.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because what if your friend wasn't joking, or your
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: friend wasn't actually a good person and you didn't know
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: it yet, Because sometimes it takes time, right.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Because sometimes the killer is across the table. That's what
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Groff told me on audible.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: Yep mm hmm. So don't trust your bartenders either, at.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Least not in the Midwest. I don't know that's that
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: last scene, the chase scene. That's the most iconic scene
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: of ever, like the.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Launched themselves off of a canyon, which I also thought
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: was an over dramatization. I was like, I get it,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: because we want to be free, but free don't mean
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: to be is free is dead? The only way women
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: can be.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Free apparently apparently, which is really upsetting. So here's my
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: final question. How comfy are you with this movie?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, this fucking movie rocks. This fucking movie rocks. And
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: it's because it's still so timely. So it's one of
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: those movies from the nineties where you can watch it
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: and you go, I've been Theema and I've been Louise,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: and it's a drag being both of the And it's
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: still a drag to be Thema or Louise, and it's
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: still something that we need to be actively talking about.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: So this movie should be taught in film theory and
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: fucking psych courses, in social work courses. Fucking make your
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: kids watch this movie.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny that you say that, because I think
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna force my child. I was like, Oh, maybe
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: we'll go to the movies when he comes home. No,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna make him watch this movie.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: It's a bit white there in the.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: South, yeah, Arkansas, I mean parts of Arkansas. Sure.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: The one African American man is smoking.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Weed, yeah, and listening to what was that reggae music?
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, go call nineteen ninety one.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: I was like, look at that.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety one. I also am so because I've seen
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: this movie so many times. I've been watching it basically
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: my entire adult life. I am still very comfy with
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: this movie. But I'm also very disappointed that you could literally,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: you know, take away the bad nineties fashion, because there's
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: some styles in the movie, like towards the end, especially
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: where you're just like, I'm sorry, is this being filmed
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: right now? But like her frilly bikini and things like that.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like you could take those things out
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: and it would still like you could drop this movie
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: into twenty twenty two and not change a fucking thing
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: other than the other than the black eye smoking weed
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: pulling up to the cop like that. That's probably the
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: only thing that would change. But you could drop it
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: into twenty twenty two and it would be exactly, like,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: exactly as it is, word for word, orbatim and it
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: would still fly.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: So what you're saying is you're comfy with the movie,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: you're not comfy with the Year of Our Lord's Savior
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. I guess, so right, Is that truly
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: the message of this show. It's like, hey, watch what
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: you watch, but we're not living in comfy times.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: No, we are not. We are not. And it's so
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: upsetting because it's like, I would like to not be
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: worried about walking my dog or you know, little things
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: like that. I don't know, I don't know. I had
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: somebody tell me, I'm so relieved that you're moving into
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: that neighborhood. We feel so much better. Your neighborhood will
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: be so much safer. And I was like, this neighborhood
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: isn't any safer than my last neighborhood. At least in
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: my last neighborhood, the drug dealers made sure nobody stole
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: shit out of my fucking yard. But OOM, like, oh,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: thank you for showing me your colors on how you
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: feel about unhoused people.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Oh and kids. I guess the true moral of tonight's
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: show is get to know your local criminals and build
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: a bond with them. So they look out for you,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: We look out for.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Them, honestly. Like so we had when we first moved
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: into that neighborhood I just moved out of We were
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: riding our bikes because we were near the trail and
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: it was it was so lovely, and you know, this
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: guy is just kind of hanging behind and me and
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: my kid at the time, and I was just like, Okay,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: that's weird. So he had been like eight, yeah, because
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: he was eight when we moved in, so he had
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: have been like eight. And I'm like, this is strange
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: because I've been trained my whole life to be aware
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: of my surroundings because we were beautiful children and it
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: was always a very big concern of my parents that
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: we would get stolen, and.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: So it was too ugly to kidnap.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: And so we're running along and you know, a couple
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: weeks later whatever, we're at National Night Out and you
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: know the house across the street, which a lot of
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: people like to shake their heads up, but you know what,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: they don't fucking hurt any I mean, have people overdosed
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: on the ship they've sold them probably, but they're you know,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: they're not They're not hurting me. Which is bad attitude
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: to have anyway. So I'm talking about it National Night
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Out and they're there, and one of the guys is like,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: the next time that happens, you write your mic to
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: my house and I will handle it.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: I'm new to the I'm new to the neighborhood. I
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: don't know this guy. And since then, no one's fucked
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: with us.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: All get to know your local friendly criminal.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like, eh, I mean, what is what
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: are the drug laws anyway? Right? Like in California marijuana
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: is legal now, so I'm kind of like, whatever, smoke
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: your pot, like.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: You make your brownies.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: And in my county you can only have six plants
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: for home use, and I'm like, eh, does it even
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  Speaker 1: matter how many they have? Like people complain about the smell,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't tell the difference between that
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  Speaker 1: and a's skunk. So it's fine, Just do you don't
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  Speaker 1: get my house read to? I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I do love when a stranger will be like,
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  Speaker 2: don't let people be creepy to you, because I'll get violent.
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  Speaker 2: And in a lot of people's lives, that's me someone
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  Speaker 2: to get violent. And they're like, no, I don't really
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  Speaker 2: think that I need someone to get violent. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: because I'll fucking get violent.
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  Speaker 1: It was just it was I guess it was like
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  Speaker 1: comforting too to know, like you like, he's basically telling
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  Speaker 1: me you do not have to be a single woman
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  Speaker 1: in this world and feel unsafe. Like that's what he's
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  Speaker 1: telling me without saying, without not in those words, And
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  Speaker 1: that's we need more of that. We need more people
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  Speaker 1: to be less that I'm going to follow you because
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to steal you, and more of
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  Speaker 1: the hey, don't be a fucking asshole making people feel
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  Speaker 1: creeped out. Yeah, anyway, friend, please tell everybody where they
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  Speaker 1: can find you if they want to keep up with
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  Speaker 1: you online.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the host of to All the Men I'm Tolerated.
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  Speaker 2: Before this week on Thursday, we will be releasing an
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  Speaker 2: episode about Annie Ce, a great friend of mine. In
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: the podcast and I talking about reality TV and how
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: it reflects the healthscape that we're living in. Yeah. Last
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: week me and Caroline Addington from the co Crete podcast
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: talked about enlightened men and the ones that try really
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: really hard to give into you that they're an ally.
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  Speaker 2: Oh they're not. They just read a book or a
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  Speaker 2: mean that they're commenting to you, and then I Celebracelet's know,
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  Speaker 2: see them go online, and we have merged. We have
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  Speaker 2: Halloween Merge. So if you're thinking, hey, it's spooky season
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: and I want to celebrate, but I still want to
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: express how angry I am at the year twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: I got you. We got t shirts that say always
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  Speaker 2: screaming about misogyny. My past relationships still haunt me. The
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  Speaker 2: patriarchy is scarier than Freddy Krueger, did you know? And
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  Speaker 2: those are the tow all the men I'm tolerated before
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's good. I'm very excited about your merch. I
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: can't wait for payday so I can buy something like
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  Speaker 1: The patriarchy is scarier than Freddy Krueger.
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  Speaker 2: It is because it is because the patriarchy is around
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  Speaker 2: while I'm asleep and while I'm awake. Bruger is only
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  Speaker 2: around when I'm asleep and I don't sleep.
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  Speaker 1: So so that's the odds a pretty good there. Friends,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: you know where to find us. Pop culture makes me jealous.
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  Speaker 1: Wherever you find your podcasts. We are in rebroadcast mode
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: summary broadcast mode, which is actually going to seep a
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: little bit into fault because I've moved, so oh, I
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: need to find I need to find all the things
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  Speaker 1: that I actually record on and all the things that
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  Speaker 1: I've recorded on so I can put all the episodes
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: together because somebody thought it was a good idea to
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: move with unfinished products with unfinished yeah, uh, this week?
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: What's rebroadcasting this week? Probably one of these still comfies.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know which one. It's been a long road.
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  Speaker 1: But follow us on the gram, follow us on the tiktoks.
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  Speaker 1: We are. We just want to have those conversations with you.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: And if you've seen Thelma and Luise, Oh Natalie, we
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: you're going to say something. Go ahead, just.
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  Speaker 2: Don't forget to have me plug the next movie.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, tell us what's up next on the Still Comfy.
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  Speaker 2: So two weeks from now, I'm not going to do math.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: That's stupid. The nineteenth that sounds right. On the nineteenth,
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  Speaker 2: we'll be on the two. All the men I'm toleered
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  Speaker 2: to before YouTube channel, so give it a follow. And
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: we will be honoring Brendan Fraser for crying because he's
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: so overwhelmed with how much people will adore him and
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: this the Whale movie, not by watching The Whale, but
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: by watching my favorite Brendan Fraser, George of the Jungle,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: because he's a treasure and he's never done anything wrong.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: My favorite Brendan Fraser movie is Since You Man.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: But we will be watching Georgia's in a Jungle.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but we need you to also watch and
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  Speaker 1: SEEO Man, Natalie. It's such a great film. Yes, and
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: and right now on to our Tuesday Night Still Comfy
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  Speaker 1: live show over on Instagram. We are talking about a
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  Speaker 1: league of their own. We are in episodes five and
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  Speaker 1: six next tomorrow, and if you really want to listen
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: to Natalie be upcited.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: About go Off. I don't know what this show has
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: done to me personally. I'm just I've been told that
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: other people think that it's adequate storytelling, and I'm like,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm bored the entire time. And then I'm
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: just irritated that I'm bored, so I mock Abby Jacobson.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's okay. I think to criticize things, we're
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of people get blinded
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: by the fact that it is a full queer cast,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: which is very exciting. You don't see it, that's very
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: more exciting. Well, that said, it's not a pass as.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: A member of the queer community. I love that we
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: have a full queer cast on Amazon Prime. I just
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: wish that they were being allowed to shine then their
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: characters were given death, and that the stories that they
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: were telling moved me instead of made me go come on.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, friends, do all the follows. Listen to all the shows.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: We are so excited you're hearing that you tune in tonight,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: and if you're listening to the replay, we appreciate you
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: for taking the time to listen to the replay. You
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: heard it here. First two weeks we were talking on
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Natalie's YouTube and after we finish a league of their
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: own on Tuesday, still comfees. We're going back to.
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  Speaker 2: We're going back to the River Court. We're doing One
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: Tree Hill season two. I can't wait to be back
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: on the River Court. Yeah, I can't wait to be
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: shown basketball. But that's not what's important.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: That anymore.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: I miss you brooding all over my TV. I'm a
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: stand stot not blinking at me.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: His one suit that he wears all the time.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: Love the suit. Shout out to the suit. I miss
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Haley and her brain fuck. I even miss Peyton and
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: her anks. But most important, I miss you, Brooke Davis.
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  Speaker 2: You're an inspiration and you're the reason why I'm the
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: woman I am today. That and Chelsea Handler.
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  Speaker 1: All right, friends, you know what to do until next time.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: We'll see in the DMS.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: See in the DMS, and stay cozy out there, Stay comfy,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: stay watching your bullshit, but also realize that twenty twenty
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: two is a scary place.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: I was, like, it is not onie, not going to
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: tell everyone to stay comfy, like that's on the show.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Cozy, don't know. I'm a wreck tonight.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: It's hot, life's been hard, okay.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Also, this show didn't have a song. The movie didn't
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: have a song for me to say, should just go
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: back into Elvis? No?
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: No, did you listen to listen? Did you listen to
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: the Celebrity book Club?
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: I have no My favorite celebrity book club has been
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: June Diane Rafayel talking about the Tory Spelly.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that episode is so and now I.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: Think I'm gonna have to read that book.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: Am I going to read this book?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: Now? This book that Torga Spelling wrote.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: You're gonna die when you listen to the episode about
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: Priscilla Presley. You need to immediately voice Memomi because, oh my.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: God, I would love for the Celebrity book Club episode
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: to launch a murder investigation into Aaron Spelling. That's what
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: I'm mad inifesting for the end of this episode.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that episode was so good.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: June, Diane Raphael, I know you're listening. You and Jane Fonda.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: Go ahead and tell her, no, she's not listening. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: You and Jane are the reason that I'm going to
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: be the woman I'll become.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: I forgot that she did Bridesmaids, not Bridesmaids. So after
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: I listened to the episode, because I listened to it
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: on my drive home from LA, I was like, you
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: know what my watch to ride.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: We need to do a monster in law movie and
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: we need to talk about how we were all lied
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: to about Jane Fonda.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. See I don't feel lied to about Wow,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: that's not entirely true. My family did try to feed
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: the propaganda to me about Jane Fonda because they are
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: the same age, like similarly aged, but I never bought it.
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  Speaker 1: I knew. I knew she was a real one.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: I had my mother, hot mom and another mother of
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: the woman, and I went to see Monster in Law
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: with They both screamed at us, and we didn't know
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: who Jane Fonda was. We just knew that Jlo was
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: in a movie, and we saw every j Loo movie.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've known who Jane Fonda was my
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: whole life.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: No, I've never seen Barbarella. Is that the Jane Fonda
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: movie I see?
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a like the one I know her
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: best friend is on Golden Pond.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: I've never seen on Golden Pond.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: My god, her dad did he win an Academy Award
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  Speaker 1: for that movie? Fin Oh my god, Natalie, one day
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: you will be old.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: I won't look at the state of the world. I
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: won't be old. And I've always known it. Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we already did the close out. We got to
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  Speaker 1: end and take this to the d MS. Talk to
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  Speaker 1: you soon, friend,