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Ep 15 Pillow Fort Sessions | Decoding the Mystique: The Origin & Impact of the Myers-Briggs Personality Indicator · Around the Kinky Kampfire Podcast

• 1:05
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Around thedle.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: Gigolo aka, mango Duffles, aka, or just call me HH Julius.
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: Back for another Pillowfort session.
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get right into it because we officially have an intro now.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: You heard all that stuff ahead of time, but around the Kinky Campfire with Kays to Kinky Campfire with Kays, join us on Instagram CampfireKingsters with Kays.
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: But going in now, it's the first of the month, first Thursday of the month, I should say in this second month of spring.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: Officially, it's been a couple weeks since you've heard me by myself Well, more than a couple weeks, but you get what I'm saying.
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to start right off with the ASMR 30 seconds and then jump right into the topic that I want to talk to you about today.
• 1:59
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• 2:09
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• 2:11
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• 2:16
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• 2:27
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• 2:42
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• 2:56
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• 3:01
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• 3:07
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• 3:10
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• 3:11
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• 3:13
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• 3:15
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• 3:26
  Speaker 1: I wish I could be on a high noon bar crawl right about now, if you know what I'm saying.
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: That delicious bubbly flavor going down my throat makes any day a high noon day.
• 3:36
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• 3:38
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• 3:39
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• 3:42
  Speaker 1: But that's it for the ASMR 30 seconds.
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: Let's jump into the topic.
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: I want to talk to you all, campsters, today.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: Today we are going to talk about and I know it's pretty much buzzworthy nowadays, one of those buzzworthy words.
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: If you haven't taken the test yet, I don't even know what to tell you all, because I mean pretty much all the people I know.
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I can't really generalize, but the people I know know what their classification, type trait, whatever you want to call it is, and today I'm talking about the Myers-Briggs type indicator, the MBTI.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: If you haven't heard about this yet, I'm INTJ, so the typical.
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: If you guys don't know what your type indicator is as of yet, it has to deal with the four letters the introvert, extrovert.
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I have it written down here, but we'll get to it, wait.
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we'll get into that.
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: If you guys don't know about the pillow fort sections, these are me practicing for my classes, so I wanted to get to MBTI and talk about it.
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: But everybody talks about the test and whether you should know what yours is and if you want you know potential partners to know what theirs are, at least be able to talk about it.
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: Here's your introductory lesson.
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about the different types specifically, I'm going to talk about the origins.
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: So that's what I today.
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: It's in my notes what all the letters mean.
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: I have it copied and pasted, but I don't really want to talk about that today.
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: If it looks like I'm making an excuse because I can't remember what all the letters mean, then that's my excuse.
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: Whatever, take it what you will, go do your own research.
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just here to give my opinion and be slightly entertaining.
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: That's what the Pillowfort Sessions are.
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: This is Julius here talking into the air.
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, I don't know who's listening to this, even if you want to listen to it.
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: You might not listen to the whole thing, but I'm here to talk about this stuff and this stuff interests me.
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: I want to know the history behind this stuff.
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: So that's what my research is.
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: Today, people talk about MBTI and they have no idea where it came from, like who's Myers-Briggs?
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: Can anybody explain that to me?
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: No, well, here you go.
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about it here for the next 20 minutes or so.
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe it'll go over a little over 30 minutes, but I want to talk about this.
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: So, myers and Briggs if anybody didn't know, just to start you all off, that is a mother-daughter combo became fans of Carl Jung, who I'm going to talk about a little bit too and his indications and his theories about psychology I'm about to say psychiatry psychology and what he thought about that.
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: And then they became fans and came up with this indicator test to try to whittle it down a little bit, because most critics said that Jung was a little too ambiguous with his findings.
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: But he's theorizing and at the time there wasn't a whole lot of psychology research done.
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: So of course he's gonna be, he's just starting out.
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: Come on, people didn't even really know what psychology was.
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: This is pretty much a new science at that point.
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: So meisenberg's began their research in 1917.
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: Um, like I said, based off of of Carl Jung's research and theories, is meditative, spontaneous, executive and social.
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: They tried to turn theory of psych types and make it practical because, like I said, carl Jung very ambiguous what he was talking about.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: And actually I'm going to tangent here and talk about Carl Jung before I go back into Myers-Briggs.
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: So really quick transition.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: Carl Jung was a Swiss psychologist who came up with personality theory, archetypes and analytical psychology.
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: Now I'm going to probably be talking about analytical psychology because that's definitely my favorite.
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: So for the nerds out there that like to go deep dive down into the rabbit hole, you will hear Julius talking about that very much, probably forever and ever, until the end of time.
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: Definitely want to do a class about it.
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: I'll give a TED talk about it.
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: Whatever analytical psychology, that is my thing.
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: I want to know why.
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: I want to know why.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: If you can't answer why to why you're doing things, then I have a problem.
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: No, I don't really have a problem, it's just my opinion.
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: It's like what the fuck is wrong with you?
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: Answer the question why are you doing the things you're doing, especially if you're going to be a potential partner of mine?
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, man, it's hard not to be judgy, as y'all know, judgy's man in the world here I don't know and identifies gender fluid, so I flip back and forth, however I so feel like on that day, but definitely the judgiest person in the world still working on it.
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: But oh, man, if you can't answer questions why I have a problem.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I can't.
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: I'm trying not to say words here that sound super judgy, but I'm thinking them here.
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: That sounds super judgy, but I'm thinking them, okay.
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: Anyways, he had his analytical psychology, which is basically how he came up with the different personality theories that he had.
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: He was born in July of 1875, which was very new, as I said before, with the study of psychology, and he was trying to first.
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: Basically, if you guys don't know about science, you come up with theories and then they become laws eventually, but this, this is very early on.
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: So if people want to say that it was, uh, ambiguous, then yes, it was just starting out there.
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: How can you research stuff and do experiments when it's very early?
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: So you got to theorize first and then you can do all that, the rest of that stuff.
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: So, completely understand, don't know why people were judging him so much, especially if he was, you know, starting out.
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: There was, there was a bunch of philosophers out there.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: They've been philosophizing stuff since forever, but nobody really did a deep dive into the different parts of the brain and what they mean, especially human development as a as it comes up and, of course, back then very, uh still, I mean we're still a very religious society, as you can see from the laws going on.
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: Not going to talk about that in depth right now because I don't want to go on another rant.
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: As you all heard in the last group podcast that we had, yeah, that stuff is very infuriating as well.
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: So he kind of took the religious part, that everybody has a quote-unquote soul and tried to apply that to human development Everybody has a quote-unquote soul and tried to apply that to human development and the Jungian psych, which was basically analytical.
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: He kind of stuck to the analytical side of things and came up with his Jungian I can't really say the word Jungian psychology, which says pretty much unconscious.
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: There's an unconscious split that goes into two factors personal and collective.
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: The personal is unique to each person, while the collective is basically like your intuition, your, what a lot of people like to say, your genetics.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: I forgot the big buzzword that they they use now, but basically it's baked into you through all your um ancestors that came before you.
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: There's stuff that really can't be explained, that you do, that you know this kind of generational uh, I mean, there's generational trauma in there as well, but there's like generational stuff that sticks around, like your parents, parent.
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: Of course you know you had genetics the hair color, color, eyes, hair, height, all that weight.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: Well, physiology, that kind of runs from your genetic traits.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: But also there's the unexplained stuff that adds to the mental part of it.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: As you're growing up it's like, oh, I don't know.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: I know, for me I was compared to parental figures and it's like, okay, if you say so, I'm like them.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: Sure, whatever I sound like them.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: But those are the kind of things he's talking about when he's talking about the collective.
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: And then also, you know, that's how your intuition, your gut feeling comes from All that stuff.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: You really don't have experience with it yet, but even as a child you have of his gut feeling and tells you what's right and wrong or moral and moral as far as you're concerned.
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: And that's what he's talking about here.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: So you have the personal versus the collective.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: Um, his personality theory uh lead led to the extrovert versus the introvert.
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: He kind of the one who coined those terms uh is basically is used to determine what function is being used.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: So his theory was that you're either born an introvert or an extrovert and those are just attitude types, personality types, uh, that personality traits that you know you don't really have a control over.
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: You just kind of are that growing up.
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: So that kind of plays into the personal and the collective way of thinking.
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of the analytical side of things.
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: I kind of understand that.
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: I mostly agree Along with those two types, is four functions feeling, thinking, sensing and intuition.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: And then further breaks down into judging and perception.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: So, as we know, perception is reality, psych Not really.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: So you have your judging and your perceiving that kind of thing, how you view the world and how you decide to interact with it.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: So that's a quick overview of Carl Jung.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: Don't want to really dive too deep into that, that's pretty much for the nerds out there.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: Got to keep this somewhat entertaining.
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: But definitely want to really dive too deep into that.
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: That's pretty much for the nerds out there.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: Got to keep this somewhat entertaining.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: But definitely want to do your research if you want to.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: You know there's plenty of books about Carl Jung and his way of thinking, uh.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: So I agree with most of what he's saying.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: But you know there is that also side of the critics saying it's ambiguous, ambiguous.
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: So I do agree with that.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: But the stuff that people have developed from his theories is kind of where I want to talk about today.
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: And that leads me back to Myers-Briggs Mmm, delicious Transition sip.
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: So we go back to Myers-Briggs.
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: As I said, they were a mother-daughter combo that were big fans of Carl Jung and his way of thinking combo that were big fans of Carl Jung and his way of thinking.
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: So they've decided to further break down what he was saying and decide to make a test or type indicator out of his findings.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: So let's see here, definitely wanted to make it practical, because you can't really do so much with ambiguity.
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: I know I myself have trouble with the ambiguous nature of certain things.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: So this is why I, you know, wanted to make a podcast.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: I guess get like minds together.
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: And also why my inspiration for finally solo potting myself because I don't really like to talk to the thin air, but I mean I see y'all downloading, so somebody's listening to this, ok.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: So first was Myers.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: They were, oh well, okay, hold on a second.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: Let me back up a little bit.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: Let's just say there's a caveat here.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: Just like us, they were not doctors and or gurus and or experts on the field of psychology.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: Neither were psychologists, neither had their doctorate, but they were just big fans and then decided to come up with this thing and people are taking it as almost law today.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well, I mean, it's like, you know, the stars are a thing and I was born on a certain day at this time and that, you know, determines my personality?
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, but none of this stuff is accredited.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, myers-briggs is one of those things, so take it with a grain of salt when y'all are talking about this.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: So this is one reason why I want to talk about this today, because people want to take their Myers-Briggs and apply it to everything.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: It's just a basis.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is not something that is set in stone and even accredited.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Neither were psychologists Myers and Briggs not psychologists.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Myers learned construction, scoring, validation, statistical methods from a bank personal loan officer where she was working.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: So her method of collecting data was based off bank, the way banks collect data.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of not even.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: That's not even psychology.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: There's more science, but not even officially science.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: That's the bank way of doing it.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys agree with or disagree with banks and how they collect data, but I mean it's a way of doing things.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: So think of it as, like a insurance asset management, the person that determines what your plan, your insurance plan, is going to be, just how risky you are, all that stuff.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Bunch of nerds like the rest of us.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: They just go and collect data.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: So this is what she did and she's like oh, carl Jung talked about this stuff.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Let me try to collect data and then spit it out into something that people can use to identify a personality somewhat.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: And Myers believed that knowledge of personality preference would help women entering the workforce to identify jobs that would be most comfortable and effective for them.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: So, if anybody knows about the 1917s, there was this big war that was about to happen in the United States, well in the world and then affected the United States.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: So a lot of the men were not there and if you know anything about your history, at that time there was a lot of people that well, a lot of men went off to war and there was a lot of job openings available here and, you know, somebody had to fill it.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: So the women were there.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: So she came up with this test to make it so, in the workforce, women could identify what was comfortable to them.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: See, this is what I'm saying.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: This is why people need their history.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: This is supposed to be a job aptitude test and people use it for personalities, to judge their mates, their potential mates.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, let's take a little bit of history into account here.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: This is very um triggering because people want to be like why is religion in the country.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Do you know?
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know how people ended up in america not my people, but you know how most people from europe ended up in america.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: In the first place, they were running away.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: They were religious exiles.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: They ran away from europe and came to america.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Of course, it's going to be based on religion, still still permeating even after 200, 300 years.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, rant over, let's jump back into the MBTI here.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Talk.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: So Myers first published well, with Briggs.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Myers and Briggs published the first MBTI in 1956, and then they came up with a manual in 1962.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: So they published it and then, you know, they got to break it down even more.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: So it took them a few years to come up with the manual to explain what they were talking about the type differentiation indicator, tdi, scoring system, for longer, mbti.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Basically, this is going to be a bunch of disclaimer words that you guys may or might not understand.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I found it fascinating, so that's why I wanted to talk about it.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Basically.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: What I'm going to go over is a bunch of different specific forms and tests that they came up with, because in science, if you want to make something legit, you got to work it and come out with it, prove it that is wrong or right and then redo it again because somebody's going to prove it wrong or right.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: So you got to keep doing that and keep breaking it down.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: So basically it started off with this Form J that was more more official, contained over 200 or so items from previous analyses with like 20 subscales, five under each of four preference scales and seven comfort discomfort factors.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: So when we're talking about the mmbti test there's a dash.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't know if anybody even knows about this there's extra letters that come in after this.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: So basically you started out with the four letters and then you had to start doing dashes and stuff.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: So different forms, form Ks and Js, and then you had like step one, two and three that came out.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: So people scrutinize the test, of course, because women and they're not psychologists or they're not accredited or doctors.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: So you had to scrutinize them even more and so they had to keep coming up with these different tests and coming up with different names.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So you had the different factors sense of overall comfort and confidence versus discomfort and anxiety.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So you get the confidence and anxiety built in there because everybody's on their anxiety meds and whatever got to talk about all those different things.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Not trying to downplay it, but that's the type of thing that people have to.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: It's buzzworthy words now.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And then they broke it down even more into four type dimensions.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: So you have guarded, optimistic the T and the F.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: You have defiant and compliant the T and the F as well, carefree, worried, the TNF, decisive, ambivalent the J and the P, intrepid, inhibited the E and the I.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: And then you have leader follower E and the I and proactive, distractible J and the P.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So they broke these things even down even more and then they assigned it to the different letters.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: So if you take the test, you're talking about the different letters that you're graded with I don't even know assigned to more prevalent at that point in time.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: This is what they're talking about.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So I'm not really super big into all the different scales and everything.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I'll just take the test as the newest one that's available.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I do like knowing all these different things and if you relate to one side of the scale or the other, that's good to know, I know.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: For me.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I just like the fact that I'm talking to somebody that knows about the different things and realizes it's a scale.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: People, there is a spectrum and you're not always on one side of the spectrum versus the other during that time.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: It's a sliding scale.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: So we move on to 1989 where form K and expanded, another expanded analysis, um, or step two was formed, and then form J, the TDI or step three, uh, and, and that comes out in 98.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: So as far as I can see from my research, there was step three in 98.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if I just kind of gave up or whatever, but as far as I can see from my research, there was step three in 98.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I just kind of gave up or whatever, but as far as I can tell, step three was the final one in 98.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Nothing happens with Briggs.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: At that time Briggs is the daughter.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Myers had been dead at this point.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: That's where in 98 you get the perception and the judgment.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: You get the dash P or the dash J, so perception versus judgments.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I do want to go deeper dive because the dash letters are newer to me.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I don't really know them as well because when I took the test it wasn't very prevalent that there was dashes after that, even though I'm pretty sure I took it after 98.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: So that's pretty interesting.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: That nobody had that test at the time Still was pretty new in the early noughts, if anybody knows what I'm talking about.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: The early 2000s, taking the Myers-Briggs, even though this had been out for I don't know what did I say 1962, the manual, but not a lot of people knew about it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And of course there's the internet.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So people had more free access, more freely, more available access to these type of tests, being that it was online, so you didn't have to do pencil and paper, just fill it out online.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: And then of course, everybody has access to it if you want them to.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Just you know.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: A little bit FYI for the kiddies out there that didn't know about stuff before the Internet, know about stuff before the internet.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: We in my younger back in my day, when people wanted personality tests, you had to like fill it, grab a magazine and fill it out.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just online for you to just click and clackety, clickety, click and then post it to your social medias.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: No, we didn't have that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: So when I became aware of Myers-Briggs type indicator, we didn't have the dash on there, we just had the four letters and that was it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: So I'm still new to the dash letters.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: So I really need to take it probably a couple more times and see how I'm feeling.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm going to finish up now with a couple of other things that are not really known, I believe with a lot of people.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: So I just want you to be aware and this is basically the whole point.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: So, if you skip over all the nerdy stuff that I just talked about, pay attention to this part, because a lot of people are not aware, especially the people that want to take this as law.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but guess what?
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: There's issues with the MBTI.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, number one no validity.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: It fails psychological merit because, once again, myers-briggs, we're not psychologists.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So there is a specific way to get accredited and the MBTI is not one of them.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is just a manual.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Basically, they did their research, they were fans of psychologists and then they came up with this indicator test.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: So it's actually not valid.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Just so you know, not based on fact, just a, you know, an overall test you can take.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, in reality, it's not much different than uh, I don't want to, I don't want to trigger some people, but uh, the Potter heads out there it's not much different than figuring out what potter house you are or what animal you relate to.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: It's on the same level.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: And I just want to say that as number one right off the bat.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: No validity with that.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: If you guys don't know what valid means, let's look that up.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: It's in the Oxford and the Webster dictionary.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Know what valid means?
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Let's look that up.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: It's in the Oxford and the Webster dictionary.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Valid means it's based on fact.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: You can't do that unless you're accredited.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So issue number two know by mod words.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I can't say words today.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Know by modality, so you can't really swing one way or the other.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: If anybody has actually taken the test I hope you have, if you're listening to this and you know what the test is, there's a lot of times that the test depends on what day you took it and then also you don't really sway on one side of the spectrum or other.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: So I hope you know what both sides of the spectrum, for each different letter that you're looking at.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I know a little bit of the facts of each side because you can say you're one letter or the other.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Like I swing mostly towards introvert, but it's not a hundred percent.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: So usually you're in the middle and it also depends on the day which side you're on, so that's not really accurate.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I see what they were trying to do there, myers and Briggs, but the ambiguity, you know.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: If you're near the 50, that's still not very much of a difference.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Or zero, where you go, zero is a positive, negative, or you go to 50, like zero to a hundred.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Whatever You're close to the middle, so that's not really helpful, let's see.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: And then there's also number three issue is that there's hiding.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: So a lot of the files are being withheld.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: 's not a lot of openness with uh, with in, in respect to the research that's being done, with coming up with all these different types and traits and stuff like that?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: You have to be open.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: That's one of the big things about being accredited with your research and your work.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: You have to be able to.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: That's one of the main things about being a science person.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: You, the findings that you have, have to be readily available for everybody to be able to look at your notes and your work and then be able to prove it themselves.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: That's the big thing about experiments.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: You have to be able to prove it yourself after three tries, and you also have to be able to have it replicated by somebody else so they're not giving away the files of where they're coming up with this information.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So to me that brings up big warning symbols and buzzers and everything like that that a lot of people don't talk about or they just don't know.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: There's a scientific method.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: There are steps for conducting experiments.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: One of them is you have to be able to back up your notes and give them out.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: People have to be able to look over it and prove whether it's right or wrong.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Which leads me to issue number four.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: It's self-reported, accepts data instead of outside evidence.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: So they're basically just doing their own research and not adding anything from the outside into it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I guess it's several Carl Jung stuff, which makes no sense.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, number five issue personality brokerage could be harmful Technique for eliminating individualism, at work specifically, but also relationships.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: So this is another thing too.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: People are basing this stuff on law, but, as I just said, there's no validity to this.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: So people are not doing their research, driving me crazy, thinking that it's factual evidence.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're definitely an introvert.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: No, depends on the day of the week.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Ridiculous.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Which brings me to number six.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Not really a good transition here, because somewhat tangentially related but restricted understanding.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: It's too simple of a classifications.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: God damn it.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: People Do your fucking research.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, so ridiculous.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Don't even just listen to me.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: And this what I've found so far, because this is partial research.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: It took me a couple days to find all this, but even then it's like.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: This is not law.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: You can't be eliminating people from work and individualism based off of some test that's not even accredited.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: They're hiding their notes and files.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: You can't do that, idi.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: You can't do that, idiots.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that was my rant.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not really Sorry, not sorry Because if you're here, you believe in my opinion.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: As I said, not factual.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Take my research what you will, do your own research.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: This is my opinion.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to be flamboyant, hyperbolic and entertaining all at the same time.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to finish up here with one little thing to remember when you're taking the test, if I haven't made my point clear enough.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Not valid Test taking.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: First of all, bleep, bleep, bleep.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Be flexible, okay.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Pay attention to each situation before responding.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: When you take the test, focus on choice of behaviors that are between the different sides of the spectrum.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: As I said before, make sure you're reading both sides of the spectrum, because it depends on the day that you take the test, be flexible and be aware I don't know, don't be triggered that day you take it.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I guess, to be more quote unquote, accurate to yourself, not really to the test, because, as I said, not valid Acquaint with underlying theory.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Once again, look at the polar opposite and extend beyond your comfort zone.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, if you identify as an introvert, hey, guess what introverts.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: If you identify as an extrovert, hey, guess what extroverts.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: There are days when you swing to the other side.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: That's why there's ambiverts.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I haven't talked about that yet, but there's a thing called ambiverts.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, so some days you feel like an introvert, some days you feel like an ambivert.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: As I said in my introvert monologue, it's where you get your energy from.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: So some days you feel more energetic than others and then you need your solitude to build yourself back up.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: That happens for both introverts and extroverts.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: So this is a theory Introvert and extroversism.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: As I said earlier, way in the beginning Carl Jung came up with these words.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: He was a psychologist, but it was very ambiguous early at the time.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's been a whole lot of research into trying to delve down into that very much from an actual psychologist.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got the MBTI that made this test, but I don't think anybody really talked about it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: They still don't know.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: As I said before the extrovert episode, it's not really been studied too much.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: People can't even agree whether it's like a personal trait or a collective trait.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Have a dynamic view when you're taking the test.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Consider other abilities okay, like I said, it's a spectrum Slides up and down and then also definitely engage in sense-making.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Reflect on what you've seen and apply it to your life.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Don't listen to what I'm saying.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Do your own research.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Why are you even here?
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Why did you download and stream this episode?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Because I have no idea what I'm talking about.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Apparently I'm a crazy person yelling into the void of the interwebs.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Do your own research, damn it.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Do your own research, damn it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Do your own research.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Figure out what you like and don't, didn't like, and don't just base it off some test, 500 to gryffindor.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Take, take that test, take all the different houses, figure out what I don't know.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Um some, what friends.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Friends you are, are you a phoebe, are you a chandler, whatever?
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: All in different tests, take it with a grain of salt.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Just know that the mbti is pretty doggone close to one of them, because it's not valid people.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Stop using it to characterize people and not do your own research on the person.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Uh, I'm building up to definitely communications, better, better communications.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Figure out who you like and who you like to relate to, because, once again, julius likes his relationship coaching topics and I'll be doing more of that in the future, but for now I've ranted long enough.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Keep it shorter.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Rant surprisingly For myself.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all are even keeping up or listening to these Pillowfort sessions, but please feel free to go ahead and listen back to what I talked about.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: That's all for now.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: This is El Comidon, aka Cuddle Gigolo.
• 33:49
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• 33:51
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• 33:54
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• 33:58
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• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Julius.
• 34:03
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• 34:16
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• 34:25
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