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Ep. 45: Aging Without Limits: Jane Velez-Mitchell on Living Vegan, Staying Sober, and Speaking Out · Age Like a Badass Mother

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  Hello, friend.
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  Today's guest is a firecracker.
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  You likely know Jane Velez Mitchell from her time as a CNN Headline News host, or maybe from her fierce animal activism.
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  But today she opens up and she shares her like embarrassing story that led her to her sobriety and talks about her mother, who lived to almost 100, and the secrets that she learned from her mother about aging.
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  And thanks for listening, friend.
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  You'll never know how much I appreciate you not.
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  Hi friends, I'm Lauren Bernick and I'm flipping the script about growing older.
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  My guests have been influencers since before that was even a thing.
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  Welcome to the anti Anti-Aging podcast.
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  Welcome to age like a badass mother.
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  Jane Velez Mitchell is the founder and content editor of Unchained TV, a free global streaming television network and social media news and entertain main outlet.
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  Unchained TV produces and streams original video content on the plant based lifestyle.
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  Unchained TV also streams hundreds of documentaries, cooking shows, lifestyle shows, talk shows and music videos from a variety of sources, all with an eye towards benefiting animals, people in the planet.
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  Jane has won four Genesis Awards or commendations from the Humane Society of the United States for her reporting on animal issues, as well as numerous other awards on behalf of animal rights.
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  Vegnews named Velez Mitchell Media maven of the year in 2010.
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  For six years, she hosted her own show on CNN Headline News, where she ran a weekly segment on animal issues.
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  Previously, Velez Mitchell was a news anchor and reporter at cable TV in Los Angeles and WCBS TV in New York.
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  She is the winner of a Los Angeles Emmy and a New York Emmy for her reporting.
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  Velez Mitchell is the author of four books, as well as an award winning director and producer.
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  She lives with her two companion, Animals, in Los Angeles.
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  I can hardly believe that I am interviewing Jane Velez Mitchell, but please welcome Jane.
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  Will has Mitchell. Hi.
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  Hey. Great to be.
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  Great to be here with you.
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  Who are your two companion animals?
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  What are their names?
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  Well, now we're up to, I have two rescue dogs and a rescue cat.
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  So the dogs are Sunday and Wednesday, which are the days I rescue them.
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  And the cat is tux because she's a classic tuxedo cat.
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  Oh, and then, so I know that you, you know, you and I have, similar backgrounds in that are we had really unconventional, childhoods.
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  I had a lot of animals in my.
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  Did your parents let you have a lot of animals as a child?
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  Well, probably the reason I'm an animal rights activist is I had a dog named Mr.
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  Monday who?
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  A friend of my mother's who was in show business.
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  This guy Cosmo brought in, and he was kind of a pool hall.
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  My upbringing was kind of like, I don't know if you ever saw the Woody Allen film Broadway.
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  Did, there were a lot of characters like that.
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  And he brought this dog in Mr.
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  Monday, and I fell in love with Mr. Monday.
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  And then my parents were moving to a fancier apartment on 57th and seventh, across the street from Carnegie Hall.
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  We had been on 58th Street.
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  And, one day I came home and they had given my dog away.
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  And to this day, I would say it's the worst thing that's ever.
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  My God.
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  I immediately I just felt like this was my brother who had been given away.
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  I never found out what happened to him.
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  I felt betrayed, I felt like I had betrayed him.
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  I stopped trusting my parents because their story about a farm didn't water, you know, in midtown Manhattan.
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  And, a lot of animal activists have similar stories.
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  To this day, I wonder whatever happened to Mr.
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  Monday?
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  No, no accident that my dog's name.
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  Yeah.
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  I was going to say.
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  Yeah, you have a name type that says somebody found a dog that looked when she asked me to adopt the dog that she had found running in the rain with no identification.
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  No way of finding the owner.
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  And I looked at this dog, and I said, this dog has the same fox terrier look as Mr.
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  Monday.
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  So I called her Sunday and I felt a little bit of closure.
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  But who knows?
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  Your parents never told you.
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  Like they just really stuck to the farm.
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  The story. This is the classic thing.
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  Went to the farm.
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  Oh, Cosmo guy gave him to somebody on a train who was going to a farm.
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  It's just not since even as a whatever nine year old or whatever I was, I.
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  I knew that that wasn't the trick, you know? That's enough.
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  Okay, so I was going to say we had so many things in common.
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  I grew up in New York as well.
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  When I was a kid, till I was ten. And that was another thing.
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  When we were moving to Texas, my mother, the night before she said, oh, my friend's coming over for dinner.
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  And she the as the friend was leaving, she's like, oh, hey, by the way, I'm taking your guinea pig, your gerbil in your hamster with me because you can't take it on the plane.
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  And I was so, you know, just blindsided.
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  I was sobbing and we took the dog.
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  We had a little dog, fluffy, and she got to come to Texas.
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  But same thing happened that I just couldn't believe my mother would do that to me.
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  She's like, we take them on a plane, their ears will burst.
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  I was like, well, we could have driven or something.
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  I don't know.
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  Anyway, species this society we live in where we consider animals disposable objects, which is why we're in the trouble we're in right now.
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  LA fires one of the worst catastrophes, one of the worst natural disasters in U.S.
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  history.
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  The governor himself characterized it that way, and what's the root cause?
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  Root causes, climate change.
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  And what's the root cause of climate change?
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  Well, it's not entirely fossil fuels.
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  If it were, we would be starting to reverse climate change.
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  The U.N.
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  cop conferences wouldn't be the ineffective jokes that they are.
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  So we have to look at animal agriculture's role in the climate.
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  This is something Unchained TV really tries to emphasize.
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  Why don't you hear this in the mainstream media?
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  Because people go, whoa, if that were true, wouldn't that means no?
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  Because look at the advertisers, right?
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  Fast food and pharmaceutical sales, the two industries that are wedded together who profit from animal agriculture. So, of course you're not going to talk about it.
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  They will not talk about it.
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  It's horrific.
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  And yet we're at a point where we are barreling towards a real climate apocalypse.
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  There's only nine boundaries, approximately, according to Sir David Attenborough, who's no radical.
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  And we're breaking through six of them as we speak.
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  We may already be past the point of no return, but if we don't start looking at our daily lifestyle choices, here's the thing.
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  People go, well, the government's going to have to do something.
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  First of all, the government is creating the climate crisis.
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  I can talk about that in depth, but the idea that none of us have the power to reverse no.
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  Three times a day on your plate, you can reverse climate change, in Oxford University study showed.
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  And it was published in the New York Times.
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  And no other media picked it up.
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  That heavy meat eaters, which is most Americans, can reduce their greenhouse gas emissions footprint by 75% by switching to a plant based diet, Most people who listen to this podcast, first of all, are really if they're not completely plant based, they're pretty plant forward.
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  And so I don't want to shame anybody, but I do want people to think about these things that you're talking about because it's very important, like you said, for the health of our planet, for the health of people.
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  I had very bad heart disease.
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  That's how I came to this lifestyle.
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  And then once you, you know, get into it, you kind of can't look away.
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  You can't be like, oh, I improved my health by not eating animals.
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  But now that I'm not eating animals, it's easier for me to see the truth and start looking at, you know, what the factory farming and the greenhouse gas emissions and all the other things once you really dig into it.
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  But yeah, I suggest that people, you know, go to Unchained TV and start watching some of your, programing and some of maybe start with the more palatable, programs and then go on to the hard, harder core Dominion and, things like that. But, you know, may I say something, please?
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  Okay.
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  We are a 501 C3 nonprofit.
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  I do not take a salary.
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  We are available on any cell phone.
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  You simply put the word unchained TV in there.
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  One word, Unchained TV.
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  And these 2000 documentaries, cooking shows like if you say, well, I can never give up cheese, I got a whole category on cheese.
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  Okay, whatever your thought is about this issue, there's an answer in these documentaries.
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  It's free. Yeah, and there's no cash.
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  People are like, well, what's your angle?
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  My angle is I don't want to live in a planet that is torturing 92 billion animals unnecessarily.
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  That's causing terrible problems for humans.
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  Health, heart disease, cancer, people don't even realize it.
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  Processed meat is officially cancer. Yeah.
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  Carcinogen poisoning.
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  And according to the World Health Organization, meanwhile, the news media is writing all these articles about processed veggies.
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  They never mentioned that processed meat is officially cancer causing, cancer causing.
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  And so we have these solutions.
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  And what I will say is, if you're watching this and going, oh, this woman, what a pain in the ass, why am I why?
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  Well, look, you know, that's how I fell.
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  I'm, a recovering alcoholic.
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  Knock on wood, in a couple of months, I'll be 30 years.
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  April fools. I saw that April Fool's Day.
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  And, you know, when I was in my disease, I did not want to hear it.
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  So only my good friend said, Jane, you had a problem.
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  You've had enough.
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  My other friends, my fairweather friends are like, oh, it was fun.
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  Don't worry about it. Right.
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  So only your real friends will tell you if you have a problem.
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  That's right.
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  Secondly, I thought, well, when I get sober, it's going to be the end of fun.
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  The end of dancing, the end of singing, the end of karaoke, the end of no.
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  I go to more parties.
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  I don't necessarily karaoke that much, but I'm having more fun.
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  It's the same thing with giving up meat and dairy.
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  You think, oh, I'll never be able to go to a potluck again.
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  I'll never.
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  What do I order at a restaurant?
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  A nobody cares what you're ordering.
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  Just like when I got sober first, I was like, well, people are going to think, oh, she's not drinking.
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  Nobody. Nobody cares.
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  Nobody cares what you're drinking.
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  You're not drinking.
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  Nobody cares what you're eating or not eating.
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  Do what you know is right and you will feel so much better.
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  You will have so much energy.
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  You know what my biggest criticism people tell me?
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  Calm down, Jane, you have much energy.
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  Don't do it if you tell me.
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  Know, Jane, I'm with you, I don't care.
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  And I, I am whole food plant based.
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  I don't need oil either.
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  And so you want to talk about no fun people?
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  Like, I pull my food out of my purse at a restaurant.
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  Okay, that's.
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  I take it, you know, and I don't give a crap what people think, and I don't care, but, you mentioned so 30 years sober.
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  What? What are you going to do on April 1st to celebrate?
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  Do you do you do some kind of thing every year of all?
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  April Fool's Day is a perfect right perfect anniversary date for me, because that was my spare.
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  That's right.
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  I was the lampshade, on the head person at the party.
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  So, no, I mean, I'll just, celebrate, you know, quietly.
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  It is a milestone, but all we have is today.
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  You can't get overconfident.
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  Your addiction is doing push ups the entire time you're sober.
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  And so you have to know it's a spiritual problem with a spiritual solution, and you have to work it every single day.
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  And, so I certainly do not working perfectly, but I work as best I can.
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  And, I'm just so grateful I have a lot of gratitude.
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  And that's what I think when people go vegan and I know the word vegan.
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  Oh, we're supposed to say plant based now because people are scared of the word vegan.
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  Stop it. It's a word. Okay.
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  And I just found out uploading a video to Unchained TV that it's a very recent word, by the way.
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  Well, yeah, in the mid 1940s that the Vegetarian Society had a subgroup that didn't want to eat dairy or eggs, and they said, can we have a section of your newsletter?
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  And the Vegetarian Society said, no.
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  So they got annoyed and they put out their own newsletter and they took the first, three letters of the word vegetarian and the last two letters of the word vegetarian, and they put them together for vegan.
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  And do you know that vegan only appeared for the first time in a dictionary, the Oxford Dictionary, in 1962, I believe it.
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  So we're talking about a very people have been vegan since the dawn of time.
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  Oh yeah.
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  But the word is very modern and recent.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  Can I ask how old you are?
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  1669.
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  All right.
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  So, because this is age, like a badass mother, and I know that, how old do you feel?
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  I'd say, 40.
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  42. That's very specific.
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  Why do you feel 42?
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  Well, I probably could calculate it down.
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  You know, they say that when you're drinking alcohol, likely your emotional development stops at the time.
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  So, I would have to say I was 39 when I got sober, so, you know, that means that emotionally, psychologically, I might be around, 16 at that time.
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  And that was when I started drinking.
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  So then you could just do the math and think, well, how long has it been?
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  16 and 30?
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  Okay, so maybe I'm, 16 and 30.
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  So 40.
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  So, yeah, maybe 47. Okay. Okay.
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  That's interesting.
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  I'm very you are very youthful.
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  Do you have, like, some kind of aside from just eating, vegan?
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  Do you have some kind of, you know, routine?
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  Oh, she has an apple in her hands and an apple a day keeps the doctor away.
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  What happened to that? I know right?
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  It's really true.
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  It really is. What? What do you eat?
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  Tell us some of the things you eat or what's your routine?
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  Well, look, I'm not perfect.
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  And, you know, as a recovering alcoholic, I could say I have very self-destructive impulses.
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  You do trade one for another, like one obsession for another.
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  You know, I I'm I'm not one of these people.
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  Like, who are entirely whole Foods, right?
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  I try, but I also like to have my desserts and my pastries.
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  So, I don't know, I quote Erma Bombeck, imagine those poor ladies who passed up dessert the last night on the town I know, right?
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  One of my favorites.
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  It's true.
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  I loved her, so I try to moderate.
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  I don't one of these.
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  I know a few people, you know.
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  I know, obviously know me dairy.
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  I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I don't eat, there's some gluten free.
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  And then I'm like, okay, you know, I, I'm trying to moderate other for people with an addictive personality.
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  The hardest thing is tomorrow. Yes. Right.
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  So I would say I have a sweet tooth.
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  That's probably my one of my big character defects.
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  But, I'll just give you lately I've been on a kick.
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  Somebody send me a video about how to have smoothies that are truly superfood smoothies.
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  And the key is putting the vegetables in first so that you don't pilot with fruit.
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  Now, there's nothing wrong with fruit, but if you just make an entire fruit smoothie with frozen fruit, which is compress fruit to a large degree, that's going to that's going to be very, you know, sugar prone.
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  So I've been doing it and I'm like, what do you put in it?
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  Okay, kale, you just take ahead of kale and put a wash it.
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  Do you take the stems out because it's washed three times.
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  Like where does that come from anyway?
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  Do you take the stems out of it?
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  I do okay.
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  You don't need to.
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  I was like, I'm not eating this.
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  Just put it all in.
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  And then you put I put mango, frozen mango, frozen blueberries.
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  I do use a little stevia with vanilla.
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  That's my secret weapon I would say for those who have sweeteners stevia, vanilla, stevia if you just have the stevia sometimes it's bad after days.
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  But if you mix it with vanilla and I use alcohol free vanilla, you mix vanilla and stevia liquid stevia.
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  And I put that in like maybe four drops, you know, four squirts.
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  And then I put some soy milk, and then I fill the rest up with water and blend it.
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  Delicious.
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  It charges you through the day.
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  I love it.
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  And, I just would recommend it to anybody.
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  I feel like it's life changing.
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  It's a real good way to start off the day.
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  You have a big thing in your Cuisinart.
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  If you have that or whatever your blender is, then you put it in the fridge and then when you want some more water, I've already had mine today.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: 30 p.m.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Pacific time, and now I'm having my botanicals, which.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: What's that? Tea?
• 17:48
  You know, it's, well, 1: Well, you can get tea.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: That's already.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: This is blueberry. Raspberry. Hi.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Biscuit botanicals.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: So, you know, people think of tea as hot.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: This is one, glass for tea.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: So it I don't I don't like water.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Like, I love these people.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Walk around with a water bottle.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: It's very hard for me to just drink water.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: So I have these botanicals instead of drinking soda, for example, I have this, so this isn't bad for you.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: And you get your water. It's good.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: So then.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Okay, I'll continue.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: And again, I am definitely not perfect.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: I have always thought if it's bad for you, I want.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: That's right.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: If it's too expensive, I want.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: If it's dangerous, I want to try it.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Those are my instincts.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: But so I, I do, a lot of tofu extra for get me to do tofu.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Do it.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah. Firm.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah. People say, oh, I hate tofu.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Did you, did you try to use the tofu that's wobbly?
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  You know, it's, well, 1: That's only for creams.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: And try to make a sandwich out of.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: It's not.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah, they have that super firm now from, like, Trader Joe's.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: It's not expensive either.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: The organic us. Delicious.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: That's super firm.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: What I yesterday I had a tilt tempeh tofu lettuce and tomatoes.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: And then I get those carb balance tortillas and I put it in a tortilla.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Or I use whole grain food like Dave's Killer bread.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Or there's another one that's very Switzerland type bread.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: That's. Yeah.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: You know, it's.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: And so that's what I had yesterday.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: I'll have a salad.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: I'm big on popcorn.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: I'm a love panel holic.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Do you have a air popper? Popcorn?
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  You know, it's, well, 1: I have a popper.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah. Me too.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: And I try to put.
• 19:35
  You know, it's, well, 1: Well, one of the things that I realized along the road, because I've always struggled with my weight, jumping on that 10 pounds back and forth person.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: And, I realized that I was pouring oil on things.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: And you, you can go out and have a vegan ice cream sundae for what, a tablespoon of.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: All right.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: So I use the spray oil and I go yeah.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: And I try to use as little oil as possible I know you're no oil but that's okay.
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  You know, it's, well, 1: It doesn't. You're my hero.
• 20:03
  You know, it's, well, 1: But again I try to again, the moderation is what I'm aiming for, to see if I can moderate some of these behaviors.
• 20:12
  You know, it's, well, 1: So that's, that's that.
• 20:14
  You know, it's, well, 1: And then at night, because this is really where my sweet tooth kicks up is about I've worked all day.
• 20:21
  You know, it's, well, 1: I work like I bet sometimes 14 hours a day.
• 20:24
  You know, it's, well, 1: And then around 930 at night, I want to reward myself.
• 20:29
  You know, it's, well, 1: And I happen to like watching BritBox.
• 20:32
  You know, it's, well, 1: I don't know why, but I only like to watch British detective stories.
• 20:39
  You know, it's, well, 1: Don't.
• 20:39
  You know, it's, well, 1: That's so funny. I have no clue.
• 20:41
  You know, it's, well, 1: But maybe it's the murders that happened in the gorgeous estates. Yes.
• 20:44
  You know, it's, well, 1: And then the murders are very sanitary to people.
• 20:47
  You know, it's, well, 1: Just have a little champagne that they get.
• 20:50
  You know, it's, well, 1: They fall over.
• 20:51
  You know, it's, well, 1: It's much better than some of the American stuff is just so over the top.
• 20:55
  You know, it's, well, 1: Grim and unrealistic, like some gorgeous model fighting 50 ninjas and beating, you know, it's like, I'd rather watch BritBox.
• 21:06
  You know, it's, well, 1: And so then that's when my sweet tooth comes out.
• 21:09
  You know, it's, well, 1: Where I start.
• 21:09
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, I should have chocolate while I'm doing this. I should have.
• 21:12
  You know, it's, well, 1: So actually was a friend of mine.
• 21:14
  You know, it's, well, 1: And we're doing a series on this, vegan beauty queen.
• 21:17
  You know, it's, well, 1: She has great stuff.
• 21:19
  You know, it's, well, 1: She says she makes a parfait, she puts fruit, then some vegan yogurt, silk or, forager.
• 21:30
  You know, it's, well, 1: I love forager. Yeah.
• 21:31
  You know, it's, well, 1: Then she puts more, then she puts a little granola, then she puts a little.
• 21:35
  You know, it's, well, 1: She makes, like, a parfait.
• 21:37
  You know, it's, well, 1: She actually has a parfait with, like, one of those little.
• 21:40
  You know, it's, well, 1: And she does it with yogurt and fruit, and you can even mix in some cacao and some or some date sirup.
• 21:46
  You know, it's, well, 1: Something like that. Oh, be delicious.
• 21:48
  You know, it's, well, 1: Go to town and have fun with it.
• 21:50
  You know, it's, well, 1: Well guess what?
• 21:51
  You know, it's, well, 1: Psychologically it has the same impact as if I went out and bought, you know, a container of vegan Ben and Jerry's.
• 21:59
  You know, it's, well, 1: Which by the way, the mainstream, ice cream places like Ben and Jerry's, they're becoming. Yes.
• 22:06
  You know, it's, well, 1: Plant based.
• 22:06
  You know, it's, well, 1: Absolutely.
• 22:08
  You know, it's, well, 1: You know, I'm the type of person I get.
• 22:10
  You know, it's, well, 1: If I got a pint of vegan Ben and Jerry's at Ralph's, it would be gone before I got back.
• 22:16
  You know, it's, well, 1: I'm the same way.
• 22:16
  You know, it's, well, 1: If I start something that I like.
• 22:19
  You know, it's, well, 1: For me, it's like chips and dip, so like that.
• 22:21
  You know, it's, well, 1: Okay, so forget it.
• 22:23
  You know, it's, well, 1: I got one yesterday. It's already gone.
• 22:25
  You know, it's, well, 1: So that I it's, you know, I'm the same way.
• 22:28
  You know, it's, well, 1: Like I nobody's perfect but you know you nobody's perfect.
• 22:31
  You know, it's, well, 1: But like I said people I just want to meet them where they are.
• 22:35
  You know, it's, well, 1: Just, you know, you can make these small changes. Yeah.
• 22:37
  You know, it's, well, 1: But the difference is that, you know, like I say, if I, if I did eat a container of vegan Ben and Jerry's, I'm not going to drive the wrong way down this way, you're not going to kill somebody, right?
• 22:46
  You know, it's, well, 1: That's exactly.
• 22:48
  You know, it's, well, 1: And if you eat animals, an animal dies.
• 22:53
  You know, it's, well, 1: Okay?
• 22:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: Or make sure you eat the average hamburger.
• 22:57
  You know, it's, well, 1: It's blended food for many, many cows.
• 22:59
  You know, it's, well, 1: You could be eating body parts of hundreds or even thousands, right?
• 23:03
  You know, it's, well, 1: It's disgusting.
• 23:04
  You know, it's, well, 1: So, you know, have you ever met, Renee King Sonnen from Rowdy Girl, one of my best friends.
• 23:12
  You know, it's, well, 1: We done a music video.
• 23:15
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, I love her.
• 23:16
  You know, it's, well, 1: She's been on Texas is going.
• 23:18
  You know, it's, well, 1: Yes, yes, Texas is going.
• 23:20
  You know, it's, well, 1: That's right. Maybe it's.
• 23:22
  You know, it's, well, 1: This is go.
• 23:22
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, you did that with her? Now.
• 23:25
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh my God, please don't have a cow.
• 23:28
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, you know, it's so funny because you remind me of her.
• 23:32
  You know, it's, well, 1: I didn't know you guys knew each other, but obviously the animal rights thing.
• 23:36
  You know, it's, well, 1: But also, you've both been sober for for quite a while, and I think that that's interesting that, you know, that sobriety.
• 23:45
  You know, it's, well, 1: I wonder if that's, you know, like you said, you trade one obsession for another.
• 23:48
  You know, it's, well, 1: And now maybe you're putting your energy into such this great place, the two of you, you think that's part of it?
• 23:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: Well, we did a Texas vegan tour to get a love for her, which was launched after we recorded that song.
• 24:01
  You know, it's, well, 1: And it's on Unchained TV.
• 24:04
  You know, it's, well, 1: If you want to watch. Oh, I'd love to.
• 24:06
  You know, it's, well, 1: Are you kidding?
• 24:07
  You know, it's, well, 1: I love her under the music section.
• 24:09
  You know, it's, well, 1: And then we went on a Texas vegan tour.
• 24:11
  You know, it's, well, 1: And here's the funny thing.
• 24:12
  You know, it's, well, 1: So I'm coming in from L.A., and I decide I want to be very Texan.
• 24:17
  You know, it's, well, 1: So I went and bought two red, white and blue cowboy hats and these red, white and blue vests.
• 24:23
  You know, it's, well, 1: This was years ago, and we went on this Texas Vegan tour, and I bought an extra one for her husband to tell me.
• 24:30
  You know, it's, well, 1: And he looked at me like, yeah, you silly girl.
• 24:33
  You know, it's, well, 1: Well, we went through the entire like half of Texas going from Veg Fest to universities, doing a total tour.
• 24:40
  You know, it's, well, 1: We were the only two people were in cowboy hats the entire time.
• 24:44
  You know, it's, well, 1: We don't wear cowboy hats here.
• 24:47
  You know, it's, well, 1: Well, some people do.
• 24:48
  You know, it's, well, 1: That's not true.
• 24:48
  You know, it's, well, 1: But yeah, well, we were particularly prominent with our red, white and blue cowboy hat.
• 24:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: Jane. That's hilarious.
• 24:55
  You know, it's, well, 1: It was very funny.
• 24:56
  You know, it's, well, 1: So we we we laugh. The two of us.
• 25:00
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh my God, when we get together because we're both loud and obnoxious.
• 25:03
  You know, it's, well, 1: Let's.
• 25:03
  You know, it's, well, 1: She's hilarious and, But she's my hero.
• 25:07
  You know, it's, well, 1: I mean, she, is the Texas cattle ranchers wife who went vegan and turned her husband vegan and turned her calf cow operation into a vegan animal sanctuary.
• 25:20
  You know, it's, well, 1: I know, and he talks.
• 25:22
  You know, it's, well, 1: People listen because she talks now.
• 25:24
  You know, it's, well, 1: Sometimes she'll call me up and she's so funny. She'll be.
• 25:26
  You know, it's, well, 1: Now listen here, listen good.
• 25:29
  You know, it's, well, 1: Like, yes, she does. That's how she answer.
• 25:31
  You know, it's, well, 1: I know she's called me up too.
• 25:33
  You know, it's, well, 1: And we've had her on the show and I just I was like, she doesn't live that far from me.
• 25:37
  You know, it's, well, 1: I'm like, I'm coming to your ranch.
• 25:39
  You know, it's, well, 1: I was going to mention, yeah, prior to the show, but, we just.
• 25:42
  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah, we just.
• 25:43
  You know, it's, well, 1: But she go visit. Yes.
• 25:45
  You know, it's, well, 1: Rowdy girl.
• 25:46
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, my God, I know I need to I'm going to go and do.
• 25:49
  You know, it's, well, 1: Have you ever visited Central Texas Pig rescue because it.
• 25:53
  You know, it's, well, 1: I saw on Unchained TV you have this show called Pig Little Lies.
• 25:58
  You know, it's, well, 1: And it reminded me because, Central Texas Pig Rescue had to raise money.
• 26:05
  You know, it's, well, 1: It was like, like a beauty pageant for pigs.
• 26:08
  You know, it's, well, 1: And these pigs were all dressed up.
• 26:10
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, my God, it was in is there video?
• 26:13
  You know, it's, well, 1: There might be I, we were talking about the Pig pageant and Unchained TV because you have pig little lies and people need to know that they get these little teeny tiny pigs and their people say, oh, these are baby potbelly pigs, and they're not going to get bigger.
• 26:29
  You know, it's, well, 1: But of course they do.
• 26:31
  You know, it's, well, 1: And they're huge, 500 pound pigs.
• 26:33
  You know, it's, well, 1: And then people are like, what am I going to do with this?
• 26:36
  You know, it's, well, 1: And then they surrendered them.
• 26:37
  You know, it's, well, 1: And so you guys find homes for them.
• 26:41
  You know, it's, well, 1: I you know, I've seen that on, pig Little Lies, but that's what Central Texas Pig Rescue did.
• 26:46
  You know, it's, well, 1: And that's why they had this beauty pageant for pigs to raise awareness.
• 26:51
  You know, it's, well, 1: And there were all these huge pigs.
• 26:52
  You know, it's, well, 1: They were adorable in their tutus.
• 26:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: And, you know, I think that once people see this, they realize, oh, a pig is like a dog.
• 26:59
  You know, it's, well, 1: A cow is like a dog.
• 27:01
  You know, it's, well, 1: A chicken is like a dog.
• 27:02
  You know, it's, well, 1: You know, I don't think that it's speciesism like we talked about that people don't realize this.
• 27:08
  You know, it's, well, 1: But yes, I will introduce you.
• 27:10
  You know, it's, well, 1: That will be Central Texas pig rescue is amazing.
• 27:14
  You know, it's, well, 1: Here's what happened with Pig Little Lies, which, by the way, has been on PBS stations around the country.
• 27:18
  You know, it's, well, 1: It's been a real hit.
• 27:20
  You know, it's, well, 1: And, so what happened was we were talking about Unchained TV.
• 27:25
  You know, it's, well, 1: We're the world's only free nonprofit streaming TV network for animal rights.
• 27:29
  You know, it's, well, 1: For plant based.
• 27:29
  You know, it's, well, 1: We're pretty much the only plant based.
• 27:32
  You know, it's, well, 1: There's there's a couple of people streaming a little bit of content, but we're pretty much we're the premier plant based streaming television network.
• 27:40
  You know, it's, well, 1: So we were talking with a group of us like, how do we get, how do we put our name on the map?
• 27:47
  You know, it's, well, 1: Because we don't have multimillion dollar advertising budgets like the other networks.
• 27:51
  You know, it's, well, 1: So somebody said, you know, Netflix was made by, I believe it was House of cards.
• 27:56
  You know, it's, well, 1: And Disney, Disney's streaming network, was made by the Morning show.
• 28:00
  You know, it's, well, 1: You need a hit show.
• 28:02
  You know, it's, well, 1: And I was like, yeah, we need a hit reality show.
• 28:04
  You know, it's, well, 1: So I called my friend Simon Reyes, who's been in reality TV shows, and I said, Simon, we need to do a reality show.
• 28:12
  You know, it's, well, 1: She goes, hold on, Jane, I can't talk right now.
• 28:14
  You know, it's, well, 1: I'm trying to rescue two kings pigs.
• 28:16
  You know, it's, well, 1: They're in a high kill shelter.
• 28:17
  You know, it's, well, 1: If I don't get them out by tonight, they're going to be killed.
• 28:20
  You know, it's, well, 1: I said, wait a second, that's our show.
• 28:22
  You know, it's, well, 1: And literally we followed those two pigs.
• 28:25
  You know, it's, well, 1: The only thing we reenacted was the opening phone call.
• 28:29
  You know, it's, well, 1: Everything else is exactly our.
• 28:31
  You know, it's, well, 1: How it happened. We got the two pigs out.
• 28:35
  You know, it's, well, 1: They went to a sanctuary, micro sanctuary in North Hollywood.
• 28:39
  You know, it's, well, 1: Then it turns out mama was pregnant and she ended up giving birth.
• 28:44
  You know, it's, well, 1: I don't want to give it away, but the drama and the excitement, it's a roller coaster.
• 28:49
  You know, it's, well, 1: It's a really fun ride.
• 28:51
  You know, it's, well, 1: So people, you can watch it as an hour movie or you can watch it as a five part series.
• 28:57
  You know, it's, well, 1: And again, it's also been on PBS.
• 29:00
  You know, it's, well, 1: So, yeah, that was one of our more successful shows, and I knew we had a hit when my neighbor, some neighbor, came up to me and said, what happened to Beatrice?
• 29:09
  You know, it's, well, 1: Did I said, wow, that's right.
• 29:12
  You know, it's, well, 1: That's interesting.
• 29:13
  You know, it's, well, 1: So we're we're we're putting ourselves on the map.
• 29:16
  You know, it's, well, 1: It's a process, not you are a event.
• 29:19
  You know, it's, well, 1: And you've had a right.
• 29:20
  You know, it's, well, 1: So yeah, you have that great, great show started.
• 29:23
  You know, it's, well, 1: They laughed at it and they said, nobody's going to watch 24 hour news.
• 29:26
  You know, it's, well, 1: And they called it right night noodle night.
• 29:28
  You know, it's, well, 1: But Ted Turner had a vision and he stuck to it.
• 29:32
  You know, it's, well, 1: And I use that as an inspiration because I have a vision and I'm sticking to it.
• 29:35
  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah. You do.
• 29:36
  You know, it's, well, 1: I think nobody can stop you, Jane.
• 29:39
  You know, it's, well, 1: If I had to guess, and, but also, you know, you have great cooking shows.
• 29:45
  You know, it's, well, 1: New day, new chef.
• 29:46
  You know, it's, well, 1: You've had a lot of my friends on chef AJ and Julianna have her, and, me, I'm about to interview Miyoko Scheiner.
• 29:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: I can't wait to talk to her next week.
• 29:56
  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah.
• 29:57
  You know, it's, well, 1: So you've had on the lot of you have a lot of great chefs, doing plant based cooking.
• 30:02
  You know, it's, well, 1: I used to do a plant based cooking on chef AJ's channel once a month.
• 30:06
  You know, it's, well, 1: She is. You want to talk about dessert?
• 30:09
  You know, it's, well, 1: Have you, do you have her new cookbook, the, Sweet indulgence that I did, and I worked on it.
• 30:17
  You know, it's, well, 1: And there was this guy who was doing plumbing work for me or something.
• 30:21
  You know, it's, well, 1: He was here all day, and I.
• 30:24
  You know, it's, well, 1: When somebody is really nice, I try to always give them a vegan book.
• 30:28
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, nice. Because really funny.
• 30:31
  You know, it's, well, 1: Some of the workmen who come in here are far more open to this conversation than some of the hoity toity that know it all, you know?
• 30:39
  You know, it's, well, 1: And he took the book and he goes, my, my wife or my girlfriend is really going to love this because he was quite overwhelmed.
• 30:46
  You know, it's, well, 1: I would say he was obese.
• 30:47
  You know, it's, well, 1: And we're going to use these recipes.
• 30:50
  You know, it's, well, 1: And he was so grateful.
• 30:51
  You know, it's, well, 1: And I hope they do his the recipes because, you know, Jeff, I used to be obese and she changed her entire physique.
• 30:58
  You know, it's, well, 1: She's now like she's tiny by using dates instead of sugar.
• 31:03
  You know, it's, well, 1: And her food is so delicious.
• 31:04
  You know, it's, well, 1: When we had her on New Day, new Chef, when we yelled cut! Everybody, including the crew, which was not necessarily vegan, raced in.
• 31:14
  You know, it's, well, 1: We were almost like fighting over it because her food is.
• 31:18
  You know, it's, well, 1: It's like a feast for the eyes and it's so, so delicious.
• 31:22
  You know, it's, well, 1: She's amazing. Yeah, and I love it.
• 31:25
  You know, it's, well, 1: I love her too.
• 31:26
  You know, it's, well, 1: She's making me do improv with her over zoom now.
• 31:29
  You know, it's, well, 1: She's oh, God, I love her.
• 31:32
  You know, it's, well, 1: I would only do it for her, but, she's she's wonderful.
• 31:36
  You know, it's, well, 1: So I want to get back to your parents.
• 31:40
  You know, it's, well, 1: I know you did a documentary about your mom, Anita Velez dancing Through Life.
• 31:45
  You know, it's, well, 1: So you and I again, I started talking about how we had some things in common.
• 31:49
  You know, it's, well, 1: Like parents with no boundaries.
• 31:51
  You know, it's, well, 1: I know you used to go to cocktail parties with your parents.
• 31:53
  You know, it's, well, 1: I went to singles bars with my mother.
• 31:56
  You know, it's, well, 1: I mean, I think our parents didn't necessarily make us go to school.
• 31:59
  You know, it's, well, 1: It was kind of, you know, like your dad took you on vacation, and my mom was like, yeah, you'll learn in life.
• 32:05
  You know, it's, well, 1: Whatever.
• 32:05
  You know, it's, well, 1: It sounds like you read my biography.
• 32:08
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, I read, yeah, I read your book.
• 32:10
  You know, it's, well, 1: And, of course I'm going to read your book to prepare to interview you.
• 32:15
  You know, it's, well, 1: But also, you know.
• 32:17
  You know, it's, well, 1: So what do you think having parents like that with no boundaries.
• 32:21
  You know, it's, well, 1: How do you think that that shaped you?
• 32:25
  You know, it's, well, 1: I'm very grateful for the parents I had.
• 32:27
  You know, it's, well, 1: They weren't perfect.
• 32:28
  You know, it's, well, 1: But who is?
• 32:29
  You know, it's, well, 1: My dad was, I would say, a high functioning alcoholic, although, you know, it's self-diagnosed for the most part.
• 32:36
  You know, it's, well, 1: But he was typical Mad Men.
• 32:38
  You know, it's, well, 1: He was an Irish advertising executive with an agency on Madison Avenue, straight out of Mad Men with, olive martinis and the pipes.
• 32:48
  You know, it's, well, 1: And he never put a pair of jeans on in his entire life.
• 32:52
  You know, it's, well, 1: And, really?
• 32:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: Honestly, I don't even have to watch that show because I lived it.
• 32:57
  You know, it's, well, 1: And my mom was a showgirl.
• 33:00
  You know, it's, well, 1: She was a dancer.
• 33:01
  You know, it's, well, 1: She came from Puerto Rico to New York by herself on a boat at the height of the Great Depression.
• 33:07
  You know, it's, well, 1: And she taught herself to dance by watching movies.
• 33:10
  You know, it's, well, 1: And then she was actually on a bread line getting bread for her, for her mom during the depression.
• 33:16
  You know, it's, well, 1: And somebody said to her, she actually went on the wrong line and was on a line for extras at a Broadway.
• 33:23
  You know, it's, well, 1: And they said, do you know the Mexican hat dance?
• 33:26
  You know, it's, well, 1: And she said, sure. And she did it.
• 33:29
  You know, it's, well, 1: And they hired her.
• 33:30
  You know, it's, well, 1: And she then started working in show business.
• 33:33
  You know, it's, well, 1: And, at one point she worked for Ringling Brothers and got shot out of a cannon. God.
• 33:38
  You know, it's, well, 1: And, that's the last time she worked for Ringling Brothers.
• 33:42
  You know, it's, well, 1: She she got out of that.
• 33:43
  You know, it's, well, 1: But she, formed a dance troupe called Anita Velez Dancers.
• 33:49
  You know, it's, well, 1: And they would travel hotels.
• 33:50
  You know, it's, well, 1: The Caribbean, United States and Canada perform.
• 33:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: And then her partner, her dance partner was Marina's vet, Lola, who was Russian.
• 33:59
  You know, it's, well, 1: And Marina would do the ballet and mom would do the Latin dancing.
• 34:04
  You know, it's, well, 1: And so it was kind of like this take the show on the road.
• 34:07
  You know, it's, well, 1: She also did the five the days, during the kind of early days, I guess it ended when, vaudeville ended.
• 34:15
  You know, it's, well, 1: But they would have, live performances in between movies, in between movie showings.
• 34:20
  You know, it's, well, 1: So her claim to fame was she played the Palace Theater. Wow.
• 34:24
  You know, it's, well, 1: And, she was super fun, very avant garde.
• 34:28
  You know, it's, well, 1: She was doing yoga in the 40s.
• 34:30
  You know, it's, well, 1: She was a pescatarian, in the 40s and 50s.
• 34:36
  You know, it's, well, 1: And actually, when she married my dad, my dad switched to primarily pescatarian.
• 34:41
  You know, it's, well, 1: We actually thought of ourselves as vegetarian, but we were not sure.
• 34:45
  You know, it's, well, 1: But at least we didn't have dead animal, you know, meat the same.
• 34:50
  You know, it's, well, 1: And, so I, I do thank my mom for sending me on the journey.
• 34:56
  You know, it's, well, 1: It is a journey.
• 34:58
  You know, it's, well, 1: Very few people, God bless them, the ones who they see, one video, boom.
• 35:04
  You know, it's, well, 1: They're vegan.
• 35:05
  You know, it's, well, 1: But, she put me on the journey.
• 35:07
  You know, it's, well, 1: And so as I followed my career, I went to NYU and worked in Fort Myers, Florida and Minneapolis, Minnesota and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
• 35:17
  You know, it's, well, 1: And I started to see things and see how animals were treated.
• 35:21
  You know, it's, well, 1: And I became more interested in animal rights.
• 35:25
  You know, it's, well, 1: And essentially what happened was I was at kcal TV, where I worked for 12 years on the Paramount Studios lot, and this guy walks in by the name of Howard Lyman, who I was scheduled to interview, and he was the mad cowboy who had been on Oprah, revealing the horrors of his industry and his story is he got very deathly ill, and he was going into surgery and he made a pact with God.
• 35:50
  You know, it's, well, 1: God, if you get me out of the surgery alive, I'm going to reveal the horrors of my industry.
• 35:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: He survived.
• 35:55
  You know, it's, well, 1: He wrote a book called Mad Cowboy.
• 35:57
  You know, it's, well, 1: He went on Oprah, remember? Yes, yes, yes.
• 36:00
  You know, it's, well, 1: That's when we got Doctor Phil.
• 36:03
  You know, it's, well, 1: Exactly.
• 36:03
  You know, it's, well, 1: That's how we got Doctor Phil.
• 36:05
  You know, it's, well, 1: He was, I guess, a trial consultant on that.
• 36:07
  You know, it's, well, 1: Anyway, so he walks into the newsroom and I interviewed him, and then afterwards I'm at like, Cubicle and Howard Lyman and his publicist, Mark Nealon, who turns out is very vigorous activist.
• 36:21
  You know, it's, well, 1: They walk up to me and they said, we hear you're a vegetarian.
• 36:23
  You know, it's, well, 1: And I said, yes, I am.
• 36:25
  You know, it's, well, 1: And they said, well, do you eat dairy?
• 36:27
  You know, it's, well, 1: And I hung my head kind of shocked because they just said about how the babies are ripped from the mothers in the boy calves or shot or put in veal crates were all this horrible things.
• 36:36
  You know, it's, well, 1: And I said, yes.
• 36:38
  You know, it's, well, 1: And he said, liquid meat like that right at my last liquid, put his fingers in your face.
• 36:44
  You know, it's, well, 1: That's the moment I went vegan.
• 36:46
  You know, it's, well, 1: So when you say, don't shame people, well, I was saying, you know what I now.
• 36:51
  You know, it's, well, 1: And so if he had just said, well, we think maybe you shouldn't do that and maybe you should try, I probably wouldn't have heard it.
• 36:58
  You know, it's, well, 1: But when he said meat like that.
• 37:00
  You know, it's, well, 1: So you know what I do now?
• 37:01
  You know, it's, well, 1: I go up to people and I go liquid meat, and they get mad and throw me out of their house. No, honestly, I have to thank him for being real.
• 37:11
  You know, it's, well, 1: We have to stop apologizing for being right.
• 37:13
  You know, it's, well, 1: Yes, we're at a point of no return.
• 37:15
  You know, it's, well, 1: I mean, really, are we a stupid species?
• 37:20
  You know, it's, well, 1: Maybe yes, because if we keep eating animals and looking at the impact of animal agriculture on climate change, we're going to get to the point of no return.
• 37:32
  You know, it's, well, 1: This is just the appetizer, people.
• 37:34
  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah, yeah. No, you're.
• 37:37
  You know, it's, well, 1: I don't say I'm right about it the way I handle it, because I always admire people who just tell it like it is because I feel like I've been dripping.
• 37:47
  You know, it's, well, 1: I feel like a lot of my friends have gone vegan.
• 37:50
  You know, it's, well, 1: I've been vegan for ten years.
• 37:51
  You know, it's, well, 1: I was a vegetarian for a long time, but same as you.
• 37:55
  You know, it's, well, 1: But I feel like I dripped on people long enough that they're now going.
• 37:59
  You know, it's, well, 1: But it took a long time and maybe I could have gotten it done a lot sooner.
• 38:03
  You know, it's, well, 1: So I'm not saying you're wrong.
• 38:04
  You know, it's, well, 1: I wish I was like that a little more.
• 38:06
  You know, it's, well, 1: No, listen.
• 38:08
  You know, it's, well, 1: Different strokes for different folks.
• 38:10
  You know, it's, well, 1: For me, it work because look at me.
• 38:13
  You know, it's, well, 1: I'm kind of a loud mouth, you know?
• 38:15
  You know, it's, well, 1: I'm not a wallflower. I can handle that.
• 38:17
  You know, it's, well, 1: Some other people might have gotten upset, you know.
• 38:21
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, my nerves are shattered.
• 38:23
  You know, it's, well, 1: Whatever.
• 38:24
  You know, it's, well, 1: So, yeah, I don't say that's going to apply for everybody.
• 38:29
  You know, it's, well, 1: I think you have to read the rules right.
• 38:31
  You know, it's, well, 1: And there are some people who just refuse to get it.
• 38:33
  You know, it's, well, 1: It doesn't matter what you say to them.
• 38:35
  You know, it's, well, 1: It doesn't matter how much fact.
• 38:39
  You know, it's, well, 1: They just do not want to know.
• 38:41
  You know, it's, well, 1: They look, it's just like alcoholism.
• 38:45
  You know, it's, well, 1: There are people I would consider myself of High bottom.
• 38:49
  You know, it's, well, 1: I had the house, the car, the relationship, the the dog.
• 38:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: I didn't lose all that, okay?
• 38:56
  You know, it's, well, 1: I just had an experience of incomprehensible demoralization.
• 39:00
  You know, it's, well, 1: I realized that I had a problem and I got help.
• 39:03
  You know, it's, well, 1: But some people have to lose.
• 39:04
  You know, it's, well, 1: Not just the car, the house, the home, the relationship.
• 39:07
  You know, it's, well, 1: They have to kill three people on a freeway, okay, that's their bottom.
• 39:11
  You know, it's, well, 1: In my case, I made a big fool of myself at a party in Hollywood where everybody I knew was at.
• 39:16
  You know, it's, well, 1: Was that the incident that caused you to go sober?
• 39:18
  You know, it's, well, 1: Yes, yes.
• 39:20
  You know, it's, well, 1: And, so that was my bottom.
• 39:22
  You know, it's, well, 1: I woke up the next day filled with what is described as incomprehensible demoralization.
• 39:28
  You know, it's, well, 1: Who was that person?
• 39:28
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, my God, that person was me.
• 39:32
  You know, it's, well, 1: Right.
• 39:33
  You know, it's, well, 1: Well, people have to have that same hitting bottom when it comes to eating meat and dairy.
• 39:39
  You know, it's, well, 1: And then what they have to realize is it's not a sacrifice.
• 39:44
  You know, it's, well, 1: It's fun.
• 39:45
  You know, it's, well, 1: We vegans have more fun. I'm sorry Okay.
• 39:47
  You know, it's, well, 1: Let me bring it back to, age like a badass mother.
• 39:50
  You know, it's, well, 1: Jane, which is my daughter's name, by the way.
• 39:52
  You know, it's, well, 1: One of my favorite names in the world.
• 39:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: Badass, badass mother.
• 39:56
  You know, it's, well, 1: My daughter's name is badass mother.
• 39:58
  You know, it's, well, 1: Her name is Jane.
• 40:00
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, Jane.
• 40:01
  You know, it's, well, 1: Well, you know, my parents do a lot of kooky things, but I have no complaints saying thank you.
• 40:05
  You know, it's, well, 1: Me, too. I like my name, too.
• 40:07
  You know, it's, well, 1: My parents are off the wall, but okay.
• 40:09
  You know, it's, well, 1: They picked a good name.
• 40:11
  You know, it's, well, 1: Do you have a best piece of advice for aging?
• 40:13
  You know, it's, well, 1: Well, well, this is a magnet on my refrigerator from Oscar Wilde.
• 40:20
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, this is this is actually my best piece of advice.
• 40:23
  You know, it's, well, 1: Okay.
• 40:24
  You know, it's, well, 1: Best piece of advice?
• 40:25
  You know, it's, well, 1: Okay, my best piece of advice from Oscar Wilde.
• 40:28
  You know, it's, well, 1: Be yourself.
• 40:29
  You know, it's, well, 1: Everybody else is already taken.
• 40:31
  You know, it's, well, 1: I love that that's true.
• 40:33
  You know, it's, well, 1: And then do you have one for aging well or.
• 40:37
  You know, it's, well, 1: Well, I would say don't become an old timer like certain people who get older.
• 40:45
  You know, it's, well, 1: First of all, I've had people come up to me like this, I watched you when I was a little kid.
• 40:50
  You know, it's, well, 1: Well, I'm not.
• 40:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: I mean, really, so.
• 40:57
  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah, I think it's attitudinal to a certain degree.
• 41:01
  You know, it's, well, 1: My mother always had a very youthful she was into at the end of her life.
• 41:05
  You know, it's, well, 1: Even she lived to 99.
• 41:06
  You know, it's, well, 1: And so we give her a hug now.
• 41:08
  You know, it's, well, 1: But she was she knew the new artists she did.
• 41:13
  You know, it's, well, 1: She actually didn't want to hang around with old people.
• 41:15
  You know, it's, well, 1: She had younger friends and she was into the culture, whatever the culture was at the time.
• 41:21
  You know, it's, well, 1: Now my dad, God bless his soul, was very old fashioned.
• 41:24
  You know, it's, well, 1: So nothing after Cole Porter sounded good.
• 41:27
  You know, it's, well, 1: It was all garbage.
• 41:29
  You know, it's, well, 1: And, so there was a different takes, right?
• 41:32
  You know, it's, well, 1: And tragically, my dad died at 67 and I thought he was old when he died.
• 41:36
  You know, it's, well, 1: But I realized how young he. Sure.
• 41:38
  You know, it's, well, 1: And, again, mom lived to 99.5.
• 41:41
  You know, it's, well, 1: She had a very youthful and funny enough.
• 41:41
  You know, it's, well, 1: Okay.
• 41:44
  You know, it's, well, 1: When when I was in New York, I was walking my dogs in Central Park.
• 41:47
  You know, it's, well, 1: I used to run into this older lady, and she was Russian.
• 41:50
  You know, it's, well, 1: And remember, my mother has a lot of Russian friends, but she had this Russian partner.
• 41:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: Dance partner.
• 41:55
  You know, it's, well, 1: And so I said, you know, you should come and meet my mother.
• 41:58
  You know, it's, well, 1: And she was an older lady, and I brought her over because we lived two blocks in the park on 57th, and I brought her over to meet my mother.
• 42:05
  You know, it's, well, 1: My mother said, you know, when the woman turned around, I don't want to get that old person out of here.
• 42:11
  You know, it's, well, 1: And she didn't like she want to be around old people or to be around younger people.
• 42:16
  You know, it's, well, 1: Now I'd start to paint her as mean.
• 42:18
  You know, it's, well, 1: She sure, I get that's very compassionate, but it was just kind of a funny moment where I was like, mom, really?
• 42:24
  You know, it's, well, 1: She's probably 20 or 20 years younger.
• 42:27
  You know, it's, well, 1: Like, that's.
• 42:27
  You know, it's, well, 1: But, you know, I think having a sense of humor.
• 42:31
  You know, it's, well, 1: Don't take yourself too seriously.
• 42:32
  You know, it's, well, 1: Don't feel like you know it all because you're a certain age.
• 42:36
  You know, it's, well, 1: Stay in touch with popular culture, even though I break that.
• 42:41
  You know, it's, well, 1: Honestly, I'm not in touch with, like, the latest singers.
• 42:44
  You know, it's, well, 1: Obviously, I love Billie Eilish.
• 42:45
  You know, it's, well, 1: Yes. And I also love this, chapel.
• 42:49
  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure she's she's a girl.
• 42:52
  You know, it's, well, 1: I heard her music and I was like, wow, this is a break.
• 42:55
  You know, it's, well, 1: So exactly one will break through, but I don't I will say I sound old, but I'm not into rap.
• 43:01
  You know, it's, well, 1: Yeah. Okay.
• 43:02
  You know, it's, well, 1: So that makes me sound old, so maybe I should be open my mind to rap.
• 43:07
  You know, it's, well, 1: Keep your mind open.
• 43:08
  You know, it's, well, 1: Those guys out and go vegan, man, I know it's it's funny.
• 43:12
  You know, it's, well, 1: Show your longevity rate increases absolutely interest.
• 43:18
  You know, it's, well, 1: Yes, absolutely.
• 43:19
  You know, it's, well, 1: And what's, out of curiosity, your favorite concert you've ever been to?
• 43:23
  You know, it's, well, 1: Could be a long time ago. Recent.
• 43:26
  You know, it's, well, 1: I have a favorite concert series because when I was growing up across the street from Carnegie Hall, I was invited to go see the Beatles when they were at Carnegie Hall.
• 43:37
  You know, it's, well, 1: And my dad had to go to a cocktail party that night.
• 43:40
  You know, it's, well, 1: And so he nixed the idea and did this.
• 43:42
  You know, it's, well, 1: I mean, talk about a resentment, right?
• 43:45
  You know, it's, well, 1: I couldn't believe that.
• 43:46
  You know, it's, well, 1: I couldn't go see the Beatles.
• 43:48
  You know, it's, well, 1: Like, this was like a thing that I carried around for years.
• 43:51
  You know, it's, well, 1: So I'm at PETA's gala that's celebrating some huge anniversary, I can't remember.
• 43:57
  You know, it's, well, 1: It was 35th or what.
• 43:59
  You know, it's, well, 1: And Paul McCartney is singing and I've got a table right here, and he's singing.
• 44:04
  You know, it's, well, 1: I hear it's your Birthday and it was, my God, approximate within a week or something.
• 44:10
  You know, it's, well, 1: And I was like, yes, you're singing to me, oh my, it's me you're singing to.
• 44:16
  You know, it's, well, 1: That was my best.
• 44:17
  You know, it's, well, 1: Gosh, that's a pretty good one.
• 44:19
  You know, it's, well, 1: That is good. Oh, I love him.
• 44:21
  You know, it's, well, 1: He's, I just I saw him, I've seen him twice, but I saw him a few years ago at, ACL at in Austin at.
• 44:30
  You know, it's, well, 1: Oh, he is just unbelievable.
• 44:32
  You know, it's, well, 1: And I just saw, Ringo not too long ago, Ringo Starr and his all star band.
• 44:37
  You know, it's, well, 1: That was another incredible goal.
• 44:38
  You know, it's, well, 1: Very cool. Yeah.
• 44:40
  You know, it's, well, 1: Well, Jane, I mean, I can't even thank you enough for coming on.
• 44:44
  You know, it's, well, 1: You're just such a powerhouse.
• 44:47
  You know, it's, well, 1: So passionate, helping the animals.
• 44:50
  You know, it's, well, 1: I just adore you. Thank you.
• 44:54
  You know, it's, well, 1: Thank you. Jim.
• 44:55
  You know, it's, well, 1: Thank you for all you do.
• 44:57
  You know, it's, well, 1: Let's keep spreading the word.
• 45:00
  You know, it's, well, 1: But, you know, we're just trying to wake people up.
• 45:04
  You know, it's, well, 1: I know you're trying to do it, too.
• 45:06
  You know, it's, well, 1: The clock is ticking, by the way.
• 45:08
  You know, it's, well, 1: On on TV, there's a documentary we did that won quite a few awards called countdown two Years zero.
• 45:14
  You know, it's, well, 1: Okay, that explains Rene King Solomon's in it.
• 45:17
  You know, it's, well, 1: It explains why we have to go plant based.
• 45:19
  You know, it's, well, 1: Keep your mind open, people.
• 45:21
  You know, it's, well, 1: You know, just like I didn't want to give up alcohol.
• 45:24
  You know, it's, well, 1: I was fighting tooth and nail, but when I surrendered to it, I've never looked back.
• 45:31
  You know, it's, well, 1: My worst day sober is better than my best day drunk.
• 45:35
  You know, it's, well, 1: It's the same thing with meat and dairy.
• 45:38
  You know, it's, well, 1: Drop kick people.
• 45:40
  You know, it's, well, 1: You will be happier.
• 45:41
  You know, it's, well, 1: That's it.
• 45:41
  You know, it's, well, 1: Thank you, thank you. Dane. Take care.
• 45:45
  You know, it's, well, 1: Right.
• 45:47
  You know, it's, well, 1: Thanks for listening, friend.
• 45:49
  You know, it's, well, 1: From my heart to yours.
• 45:51
  You know, it's, well, 1: Be well. Until we meet again.