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Trauma Informed Care Should Be at the Center of Your Job, Mindset, and Life · Millennial Mental Health Channel

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When you said, like the who's your doctor? I thought you're gonna say
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who's your daddy. I was like, damn, that's what the hell kind
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of doctors were working? Who's your daddy? That's oh anyway, this is
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Millennial Mental Health Channel. I'm doctor Justin Romano, a Child and Adolescent psychiatry
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fellow, and I'm Eddie Creo, a licensed clinical therapist. Our podcast is
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here because we wanted to start a much needed conversation about mental health. Our
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goal is to teach you as much as we can by sharing our own experiences
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and interviewing experts in the mental health field. We will discuss topics like mood
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disorders, psychotic disorders, substance use, personality disorders, and many more.
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Millennial Mental Health Channel buy Millennials for everyone. We hope you enjoyed today's episode.
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Yeah, this is Kylbo Tom MHC is a production of Spreaker from our
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Heart Media. Alrighty, then Bueno Eddie MMHC. How you doing? My
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friend? Okay, this is a good story. In college, there was
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this girl who was like friends with our friends, and her nickname for me
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was Bueno because I'm Mexican and Bueno just means good, and I'd like,
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I don't know why I allowed that like that. Yeah, I deserve a
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better nickname than fucking Bueno. Oh yeah, you'd think I didn't mean to
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stir up any or rip open old wounds open. But previous trauma, I'd
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say, which is a perfect segue into what we're talking about today, which
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is which is trauma informed care. I should stop laughing if we're gonna talk
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about trauma. Well, I mean, one of the good things about this
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show is that we can take sad and serious topics and make them. I
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wouldn't say funny, I wouldn't, but I mean, at least we can
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say it in a way that's a little bit lighthearted and it's not such a
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ig to listen to, because I do feel like that a lot of mental
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health shows. It's just it's sometimes a slog to get through them. Yeah,
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we're better now. I'm just kidding. Before we go, you checked
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in with me. I'll check in with you. How are you, my
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friend? I'm doing well. Uh, planning for baby. We're really close
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now, super excited to be a dad. Assembled the crib. I did
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it? You know what's next? He didn't call me once I did break
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the crib. Actually, I was putting it together and this piece just snapped
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off, and I was like, oh, come on, did you get
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a new one or you just said like we'll just lud it together. Yeah,
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there we go. Shout out, Dana, just because a shout out.
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Oh nice, we're feeling okay, you go, you go well.
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I wanted to give a big shout out to our guest from last week,
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doctor Doug Mater, who was just so much fun. We had so much
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fun talking to him, and he's a wealth of knowledge, not to mention
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one of the coolest dudes I've ever met. So that was a real honor
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to have him on the show. Yeah, that was badass. Remember hug
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your veterinarian and if you don't know what I'm talking about, listen to that
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last episode. He brought up a lot of great points because those vets,
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man, they do have a tough job and it would be emotionally taxing.
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I thought it was hard working with kids, but animals might be even harder.
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I also wanted to give a big shout out real quick. I just
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finished a rotation at the Eating Disorder Partial Clinic here in Omaha, Nebraska and
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I know that some of them have started listening to the show, so I
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just wanted to say thank you so much for the amazing time with you guys.
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It was an honor to be there. I learned so much, and
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thank you for listening to the show. Thanks for taking care of Justin.
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They baby sat me so good for two months. Was it an adolescent eating
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disorder clinic? Yes, so we had all ages. We had eleven to
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sixteen by the time. I loved so yeah, it was. It was
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interesting and man, it made me so aware of we do think that social
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media is causing a rise in eating disorders. And now every time I'm on
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social media, I'm like, that's toxic. That's toxic, that's toxic.
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There's so many things that I'm like, Wow, young girls should not be
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watching this regularly and thinking this is normal. Yeah. How much did you
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prescribe a lanzipene? Not too much, although it's the one like we've talked
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about it on the show before. Like, that's what I learned from my
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time in working with eating disorder, Like at the at my partial program that
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I was at, It's like that's like the it's not like the magic cure
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or magic pill. But it's really helpful, especially like when you have patients
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who like need to restore some body weight, who are their their physical functionings
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are are suffering because they're not eating enough like a lanzipine man. They could
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night and day for some of these kids. The teen's adults like real quick,
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very true. So a couple other shout outs. We want to give
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our next episode. We are planning on having a yoga therapist on to talk
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about the mind brain connection and how good yoga is for you. We're gonna
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have Amy Huffman ons. We're super excited. We just have a lot of
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really cool guests coming. We do. We don't want to brag, but
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we think we have some pretty cool guest coming. We're excited for it.
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We got a lot of cool stuff coming. Trauma informed care. If we're
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jumping into it, I think it is something that I don't know where I
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want to start. Like when Justin brought the topic idea up, a lot
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of thoughts come to mind, Like I had a supervisor at some portion of
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my career. I don't need to give any specifics who I think was too
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far to one side of the trauma informed care, like was was I don't
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think I can say like two trauma informed. But it was like someone who
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like would We'd be in a meeting, like just a staff meeting only professionals,
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and someone would be like, oh, man, you know, I
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have this really tough case with blah blah blah, so and so is going
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on, and she would like stop the meeting and be like, no,
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like, we can't refer to people as cases, like that's not trauma informed.
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And I'm like, well, it's just my co workers. I don't
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know what, like that's I feel like that's excessive and if if you disagree
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with me, that's okay, we can disagree. But that was something where
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like I am almost like that's my first memory or thought when I think of
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trauma informed care. Once I get past that and I can put my own
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ship to the side, trauma informed care is like absolutely like one of the
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most important things we can do as clinicians, whether it's as a therapist,
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as a psychologist, as a psychiatrist, as any type of mental health person,
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it's one of the best and not even just mental health. It's one
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of the best things we can do as any kind of healthcare provider. Is
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to be trauma informed It's something that I think we've learned a lot about over
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the years. It's something that, while it's relatively new, doesn't get talked
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a lot about, like in school, until you get like further along.
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So trauma I'm blabbing, I'm ranting, but trauma informed care really is important.
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And we'll give you as definitions because I don't want to just like talk,
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I'd let just and give the definitions. But if I could say anything
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about trauma informed care, it is very important to the work we do.
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It. Lets us look at each person as an individual and understand that they
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are there's someone that has been through some stuff that is impacting them, and
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they're not They're not broken in any way. They're not there's nothing inherently wrong
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with them. They've just dealt with things that have put them in a worse
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spot. Agreed, And I feel like trauma informed care has been one of
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the most important things I've learned about in my training to help me conceptualize my
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job and my role in how to treat people. So that's why we wanted
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to do an episode on it. But according to the Trauma Informed Care Implementation
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Resource Center, Trauma informed care looks to change the conversation from what's wrong with
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you to what happened to you? And then something will repeat multiple times,
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so changing that conversation because in the past it was always like, oh,
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what's wrong with you? What did you do? And we're trying to shift
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that to what happened to you? How can we help? It was created
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in the year two thousand and five, so in the psych world it's relatively
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new, and according to the University of Buffalo go bills, the trauma informed
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care is an approach in the human service field that assumes that an individual is
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more likely than not to have a history of trauma. Trauma informed care recognizes
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the presence of trauma's symptoms and acknowledges the role trauma may play in an individual's
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life. Essentially, trauma informed care tries to shift the focus from blaming people
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for their mental health or behavioral struggles to trying to be more forgiving, supportive,
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and understanding of the factors that led to the struggles. We're gonna talk
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about it eventually, but there's things like the asis or the adverse childhood experiences.
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Being mindful of the things is so important. And again, before we
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get too deep into it, we want to remember, like trauma is not
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just like the old like the old head definition of like you're in war,
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or like you've been through some stuff or you've seen some shit. It's also
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perceived trauma. So if you feel like you've been impacted, you feel like
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you've been traumatized, that one percent is trauma. And that's something that we
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need to take into account when we're treating you, when we're working with you,
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and when we're just trying to get you help. To give a weird
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example, actually just recently met a young person who had some vicarious trauma,
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who actually had a pet killed by another pet, and they walked in after
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this had happened, and this was so traumatic to this young kid. I
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mean it was like preteen that they were having signs of PTSD, you know,
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flashbacks and nightmares, and it's just like, so your traditional ideas of
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what trauma is doesn't fully encompass what we're talking about. We want to encourage
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and reinforce that we really mean it could be anything. Any sort of experience
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can be traumatic. If you feel like it has been traumatic to you,
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oh yeah, justin tell us why this is important. This is important,
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because on this show we like to encourage our listeners to rethink the way they
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do things. We always say like just because people have done it for forever
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doesn't mean we should keep doing it. And the psychiatry and mental health in
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America and the rest of the world for that matter, doesn't have a very
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stellar history of being very loving, accepting, or holistic. So we want
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to kind of change that. In our current language around mental health and the
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way we use it can be really judgy and prevent people from getting help.
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The example that I think of when I was reading through this is like still
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to this day. I mean, it's going to take some time, but
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like when people say commit suicide or try to kill them, so I mean
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that's fair to say, like kill them, kill yourself, or kill themselves.
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Like when trying to describe suicide, but when people say that someone committed
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suicide, like I still I cringe a little bit, And I know it'll
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take some time, but trying to shift that language of commit to like died
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by suicide or attempted to die by suicide like that right there. Trauma inform
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language very important, but overall we want to teach you about trauma inform care
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to better equip you to to talk about these things, whether it's with friends,
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being able to support your family, or even just being easier on yourself
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if you're struggling, because we have found that it is really really helpful.
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I talk with kids a lot where they tend to go easier on other people.
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They tend to go easier on their friends when they're needing support. They
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tend to be hard on themselves. So if we can teach you to be
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easier on yourself, I think that's just a good skill to have. Well,
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Eddie, tell me a story the one I thought of it. I
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was going back and forth on what I wanted to share, but the one
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that popped up when you said about the vicarious trauma or even just like the
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more of a different story. There was a kid that I had worked with
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years ago who had a hard time in a class, and like would get
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to school and would run away and just wouldn't come to class. They can
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never get them class. They didn't know what was wrong. Weeks went by
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and they just he would get to school, runaway, parents would have to
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pick him up. It turned out that the reason why he kept running away
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from class is because one of the times he really had to use the bathroom
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and the teacher didn't let him use the bathroom and they ended up peating himself.
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So he had a really hard time getting back to class and was like
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really embarrassed and like word that the same thing was going to happen the next
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time he went back to class. Once we figured out what the issue was,
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Once we figured out what was wrong, I think they ended up changing
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him from class to a different classroom. He was fine and didn't have any
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issues anymore, hopefully not as much issues he might have. But I think
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that I remember specifically that being just really helpful that he did switch classes.
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He probably had some other things going on after that, but that was one
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he eventually told me that that was what he was scared of. I felt
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so bad because like nobody nobody does, and I don't know if the teacher
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had noticed or not. But just something to think about again, perceived trauma,
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if it's something that's embarrassing or feels like it's the end of the world,
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for something that could really have a long lasting impact on them. And
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my story for today is we actually did a whole course on trauma informed care.
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Thank you doctor Rowley Roberts. It has been a huge piece of my
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education, and I really do think it was a big influence in my training,
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and it really resonated with me and made me realize that this is the
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way I want to practice. This is how I want to be as a
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provider. I want to be trauma informed. I want to be aware of
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the things that people have been through and be the kind of person that people
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can talk to about these kind of things instead of just throwing bills of people
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and say take this, it's good for you. I'm your doctor. So
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to give an example, I was working with some older school doctors and they
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would almost have like a police like mentality when talking with kids, where they
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would use questions like you know, what did you do? What were you
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thinking? Do you understand the consequences of what you were doing? And I
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was really overworked and stressed at the time, so I was starting to pick
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up on that too, and I felt like because it was being modeled to
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me, that's how I started to view these to view these cases as well.
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I'm sorry to use not a very trauma informed damn it justin what didn't
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I just say? So then I had the lecture in trauma informed care,
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and it helped me realize why I'm doing what I'm doing and how much I
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and the kind of doctor that I want to be. In my mindset switched
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to trying to understand the situation and how the situation impacted these kids and their
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decision making. So, as a non specific example, say a kid comes
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in after making threats to burn down a school, and man, it happens
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all the time. A lot of people would do a basic threat assessment,
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see what their plan was, assess their level of intent and the risk,
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and let the legal system put them on probation. And that's kind of it.
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But a more trauma informed care lens would be to try and understand the
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child, see why they made those threats instead of just focusing on the threats
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and the consequences. So you might find out that the kid's grandpa just died,
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or some big stressor happened in their lives and he's got a lot of
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anger because of it. Maybe the young person witnessed a lot of domestic violence
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growing up and dad used to scream I'm going to burn this house down with
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all of you inside of it when dad was mad. So you assess what
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the child's been through, what the child needs, and you work on getting
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them a trauma therapist and the resources that they need to be emotionally supported so
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they don't feel like they have to act out that way again in the future.
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A couple of thoughts. You gave a good example, say, this
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is really going to mess up the mood. When you said, like the
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who's your doctor? I thought you're gonna say who's your daddy? I was
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like, damn, that's what the hell kind of doctors were working? Who's
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your daddy? That's Oh anyway, well you're gonna be a daddy. Okay,
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here we go staturing facts. We're moving forward. First one, according
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to the VA, is that veterans affairs is that what it stands for.
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Yeah. Perfect. In the general population, sixty percent of men will experience
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the traumanic invent into their lives and fifty percent of women will. Unfortunately,
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women are more likely to experience sexual assault and child sexual abuse, while men
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are more likely to experience accidents, physical assault, combat disaster, or witness
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to death or injury. Like we were saying earlier, other types of trauma
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include all sorts of things like physical abuse, emotional abuse and child neglect when
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that's the most common form of child abuse is neglect, but it's the one
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that people don't really think about or care about because they think, oh,
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nobody hit me, so I didn't experience any abuse. But if you were
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just left alone to your own devices for long periods of time, that is
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also technically abuse. Some other ones include having a family member with a severe
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mental health disorder, where substance use problem could qualityfy as traumatic community violence,
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poverty and discrimination, natural disasters, separation from loved ones, and so many
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other possibilities. The list of potentially traumatic events is literally endless. You mentioned
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neglect, and you mentioned it's so sad, like when kids don't teens don't
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understand, like what they've experienced is some sort of abuse, even neglect going
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to be things as on the outside maybe don't look like abuse, like I
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haven't been to the eye doctor in a couple of years, or I haven't
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been to the doctor in a couple of years, or you know, I
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told my parent that I was having side pain, and I've had it for
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the last six months, but I haven't seen a doctor or anything, and
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I just don't It's fine that's just the way things are. So there are
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things that are that are abuse and traumatic that we just we don't think about.
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I think because we've thankfully, you know, lived lives where we haven't
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had to experience that. But it's just important that we think about it.
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Like not everyone's experience is going to be exactly the same as what we've had.
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About six percent of the population will develop PTA in their lifetime, and
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PTSD, again is a pretty significant disorder to be diagnosed with. As you
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can see from the numbers, a lot of people who experience trauma never developed
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the full spectrum of symptoms we associate with PTSD. That is an important point.
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Trauma does not always equal PTSD. It is not the I came back
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from war and I'm having flashbacks and cold sweats in the middle of the night.
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It's not always that. It is still that, but it's not always,
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and in fact, more often than not, it doesn't include It doesn't
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always make it all the way to a full blown PTSD diagnosis. But if
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you go through trauma and start to have symptoms of things like nightmares, flashbacks,
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hyper vigilance, like you're kind of suspicious or on edge all the time,
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looking around, always trying to make sure that you're safe, avoidance dissociation,
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hyperstartles, changes in your mood that might be an indication that you have
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PTSD, And if you're struggling, it is really important that you ask your
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doctor, some kind of healthcare provider, ask for support, reach outs for
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support, and look into possibly get in like trauma therapy or even medications to
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help with all of that. And so many people experience traumatic events in their
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lifetime. Remember sixty percent of males, fifty percent of females. That's a
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lot. That's billions of people on this earth who have experienced traumatic events.
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And these events can change how people act and function in society. Traumatic events
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can also lead to social, psychological, and epigenetic changes that can have a
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trickle down effect for generations after the trauma occurred. Now, if only there
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was a great podcast episode on generational trauma that we could refer you to.
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Hint, we have one to go check out generational trauma. That was a
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fun episode two and learning about how it literally changes the mechanics of your genetics.
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So it's fascinating to me. Yeah, and we did it like two
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to three episodes ago, so it's not that hard to find. You just
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scroll down a little more on Spotify, on the Apple podcast, it'll be
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there with trauma and form care. It doesn't just have to be in a
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healthcare setting. In fact, many companies and employers are trying to adopt more
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open, trauma informed system to better able to support their employees. You see
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things like I don't check my LinkedIn a lot because I'm not looking for a
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job, but the notification stack up, so sometimes I just got cleared out,
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but I'll open it and on it. It'll be like this might be
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helpful for you or a job you're interested in, and it ends up being
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like tech companies or like private sector jobs that are looking for like mental health
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support, like Intel, all these companies that are like looking for ways to
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support my guesses, to support the mental health of their employees. It's really
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important. So it can also be applied to a classroom to try and help
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children instead of punishing them. I will say, like from my work out
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of high school, definitely, I see a lot of teachers with a lot
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of staff, a lot of school counselors, administration with a trauma unformed lens,
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and I think that's really important. If we if that is just our
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baseline, If our baseline is to be trauma unformed, eventually it's going to
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be years down the road, but eventually we were just going to have consistent
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classes of students who know and understand and are taken care of through a trauma
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informed lens and through a trauma in form practices. And I think that's a
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really cool idea, and that's a really cool thought that eventually we'll get to
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that point where there's just kids that come through the school district. I'm at
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another school districts that everybody has some type of experience with trauma informed care.
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And Eddie, I was going to give you an alley oope, if you
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want to kick us off for the next section, here catch dunk blocked by
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James, no different sound bite. It is time for Justin's favorite time of
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the weeker every couple of weeks, the one you're all waiting for. It
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is NERD Alert time. Excellent, Yes, my favorite biweekly event. The
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types of trauma we mentioned can have significant impacts on your physical and mental health.
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A lot of this data comes from the ACES study of studies that Eddie
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mentioned earlier, which stand for Adverse Child events. Childhood trauma specifically increases risks
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for multiple disease, and this is well studied, well established, so long
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disease, heart disease, liver disease, autoimmune disorders, sexually transmitted infections,
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depression, anxiety, and others. So for this, let's talk about the
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nervous system, particularly the autonomic nervous system that's made of the parasympathetic which is
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your rest and digest and your sympathetic nervous system, which is your fight or
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flight. So in survival situations, the sympathetic nervous system kicks in. This
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is our fight flight or freeze in response to stress. And sometimes when your
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fight or flight system is activated by a traumatic event, the brain has a
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hard time getting back to baseline and becomes hyperactive or too easily triggered, so
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that fight flight or freeze response starts to kick in and overactivate at really inappropriate
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time times. For example, I know a lot of young people who have
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charges for assaulting cops. It's just like a really common thing in child psychiatry.
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And when I talk to a lot of them, they're super chill,
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and I don't see how they got to the point of being so escalated.
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That they assaulted a police officer, and when I talk to him about it,
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nine times out of ten they tell me that they had a trauma reminder
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which escalated them to the point where they couldn't control themselves anymore. So sometimes
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that causes those flashbacks to the trauma, and that fight response kicks in so
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hard that they just can't control it at all. Like they say things like
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my stepdad used to hold me down and hit me. So this is a
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trauma reminder, and so that fear center of the brain, the amygdala,
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takes over, which literally shuts down the connections to that frontal lobe, the
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area that gives you control over your actions. So cops they tend to generally
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de escalate by force. They want to hold you, they want to grab
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you, they want to cuff you, they want to physically restrain you,
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which causes kids to rearrange the cops testicles with their foot, like they kick
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them right in the nuts. And that's so that trauma reminder causes the amygdala
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response, so they lose control of their actions and their fight or flight kicks
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in, and they fight and they kick the cop and the nuts. So
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that's how they end up picking up assault charges from a neurologic level. Man,
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that's the whole time, not the whole time, but as you're sharing,
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like the last part of it, it just makes me think back to
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like my kids when I work for the juvenile department, Like so many of
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them have these like charges or these probation conditions of and you talk with them
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and they're like some of the nicest kids I've ever met, but they've been
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through a lot of stuff and they don't normally know how to react to things,
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and they do things that when you try to talk with them, they
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can't even explain it. Sometimes they can't. They just can't. Like in
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your example, you have kids that do know, but sometimes you have kids
25:03
that just don't know that I didn't know what to do. I didn't know
25:07
any better, Like I wasn't thinking and I need help to stop and think.
25:11
And it's like it makes so much sense, Like it really is impacting
25:14
your ability to make I don't even want to say the right decision or normal
25:18
decisions, just make decisions that are less dangerous or less risky because of traumatic
25:23
experience. If there are two populations that we need to apply trauma informed care
25:30
to the most it's the foster care system and the correction system, because if
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you dig in on any of those cases with those kids, you'll find a
25:38
history of some sort of trauma. I should say not every time, that's
25:44
but nine times out of ten, ninety five percent of the time, you
25:47
will find that those kids have seen some horrible things, been through some horrible
25:51
things. Even if you don't want to say, like give a number,
25:52
like it's going to be high, it's up there, Like we can,
25:56
we can guess it. It's pretty high. We gave you all this information,
26:00
So now what do we do about it? If you've been through trauma,
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We always encourage people to go to therapy and work through the trauma.
26:04
We understand that that's not always the most accessible for people, but our hope
26:08
is that you're able to reach out for support and find people who support you,
26:11
even if it's not a trained professional. Starting with people who can support
26:15
you, I think is a great place to start. It can help you
26:18
if you do end up in therapy, do end up with a professional.
26:21
It can help you to be able to process the trauma so that it does
26:23
not get into the way of you being able to live your life. And
26:26
I meet a lot of people all the time who are middle aged or getting
26:30
into the elderly years, and they tell me that they've never really even processed
26:33
their traumas in their mama, in their minds, it's in the past.
26:37
Why would I want to open that box up. But if that trauma is
26:41
still impacting you years or decades later, you might want to consider doing trauma
26:47
therapy to process what you've been through, to regain that control of your brain
26:51
again. I met a guy years ago who I don't know what it is
26:56
about my face. Sometimes people will just tell me stuff and I don't ask,
27:00
but they'll tell me and I'll listen because I don't know any better.
27:04
But I met this man years ago who was telling me that he was in
27:10
the war. I don't remember which war. I'm not good at American history,
27:12
but he was in a war and he told me that he came back
27:15
from it never got any treatment for the stuff that he went through. And
27:18
he told me, He's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure I have PTSD,
27:21
had nightmares, flashbacks. I'd wake up in a cold sweat every night.
27:26
It was awful, and finally it went away. I was like,
27:29
Oh, what'd you me thinking? That he'd went to treatment. It's like,
27:33
so what happened? Like, what did you do to help it go
27:36
away? He's like, oh, I just drank a lot. It's like,
27:37
ah, damn, well, I'm glad you're good. I don't know,
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but yeah, I mean that there are generations of people who were just
27:47
like, they don't know any better. They don't know that there's opportunities out
27:51
there to get better and to work through it. So it's it's just important.
27:56
It's important that we educate and advocate for people to know that, like,
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you can get help for this stuff. There are a lot of resources
28:11
out there. There are providers online if you're interested in learning more about being
28:15
trained in trauma informed care. We've talked about like EMDR, Like that's an
28:18
opportunity to get trained in that. It is a little expensive, but if
28:22
that is a certification that you want to have to help with trauma treatment,
28:26
that is really helpful. There's a website called Trauma Informed Training dot com that
28:30
you can even get a certification through their trainings. I think Justin didn't mentioned
28:34
he used the website Trauma Informed Care docs dot org. We'll make sure all
28:40
these links are in our show descriptions, so you can check them out,
28:44
but they are good learning experiences. If you do want to become more trauma
28:47
informed, and if it seems like a thing that you want to put in
28:51
your life, you want to share with your coworkers, have that conversation talk
28:56
about being more trauma informed, especially if you're in the foster care system or
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you're in the correction system and you want a different way to approach this.
29:04
I think it's a great place to start as having that conversation with coworkers and
29:10
try to advocate that your institutions do this as well. If there's one thing
29:15
we want as an overarching goal of this show, it's to spread love and
29:19
positivity. And if we can create some change in some of these archaic systems
29:25
that are just so stuck in their ways and view kids as delinquents, then
29:29
Nan, we're doing something right. Yeah. And I think just even us
29:33
making the conscious decision or you alls listeners making the conscious decision to try to
29:37
be more trauma informed, that can be really helpful. We as people,
29:41
we have that circle of like influence that we can have on others, and
29:45
the more that we try to change the way that we do things and be
29:48
more trauma informed. That could pass on to other people that we know,
29:52
and then from their that could pass on to people they know, and it's
29:55
just this ongoing cycle of being able to help people out. So think about
29:59
it that you can make an impact on a lot of people just by impacting
30:03
the people immediately around you. Well, and finally, we're bringing back the
30:07
celebrity section. And I'm not really even sure why this had went away for
30:11
so long, but we are going to be talking about some celebrities who have
30:15
been through some traumatic things in their lifetimes. So this is mostly from the
30:19
website, which sounds very credible, Summit Malibu, but I did cross reference
30:26
these and find that, yes, these people have been through some traumatic events
30:30
and they've talked about these in public, so it's not it's okay, we'll
30:34
take it first. One is Oprah Winfrey, and I know we've talked about
30:38
Oprah on the show in the past, but she experienced severe physical abuse from
30:45
her grandparents, who primarily raised her, and she also had a really,
30:51
really rough early life. She witnessed a lot of domestic violence between her grandparents
30:55
because they were not only abusive to her, they were abusive to each other
30:59
and she was able to do something that we call sublimating the trauma, which
31:03
is a psychological mechanism people used to turn really negative, really horrible things that
31:08
have happened to them into positive things in life and helping others. So we
31:12
just wanted to give a huge shout out to Oprah. I don't know if
31:17
she needs any more shoutouts as one of the most famous and successful women.
31:21
Get Oprah on the phone. If Oprah happens to listen to this. I
31:25
just wanted to say I watched a lot of Oprah growing up with my mom
31:30
and along with mister Rogers. I felt like it was a huge influence on
31:34
my life and helped me really relate and understand people. And it's a big
31:40
reason why I'm here, Oprah Winfrey, So shout out Oprah. Do you
31:45
remember Drake and Josh? Yeah, didn't Josh have like a crush on Oprah?
31:49
Am I'm making that up. That is a great question. This might
31:53
be a Google thing. All right, here we go, He's googling,
31:56
I'm watching, he's typing, We're good. I feel like he did.
32:00
And if I'm wrong, Drake and Josh Oprah crush, Oh god, oh,
32:05
yes, according to MTV dot com, when Josh was a BB I'm
32:12
not sure what that means. He had a crush on Oprah when Drake accidentally
32:19
married Yuka from Eudonia. Don't whoa what is going on here? What are
32:23
these words? What did you look up? We'll leave it at that.
32:30
Someone feel free to fact check us. You can. You can send us
32:32
a message if we if we were wrong, if I was wrong. Moving
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on, next person, Mick Jagger. Man, this is embarrassing. Mick
32:40
Jagger did something. He's famous for something. I had a feeling you might
32:45
not give us a give the bio and I'll give the info. Yes,
32:51
So Mick Jagger was the lead singer of the Rolling Stones. That's what it
32:55
was. Yep. I remember one time I was getting a haircut when I
33:00
was like fourteen years old, and I sat next to this this really sweet
33:04
englishwoman and we got talking about music and she said, oh, I always
33:07
liked the Rolling Stones. But even then, even when I was a kid,
33:10
Mick Jagger was ugly as sin. I'll never forget that. Well,
33:17
Mick Jaggy Rolling Stones. As far as how he relates to the episode when
33:24
he was seventy one, his girlfriend, Loren Scott, unfortunately died by suicide
33:29
in their Manhattan apartment. He was so impacted by it that his doctors recommended
33:32
that he canceled the tour that he was on that he was on at the
33:35
time, and thankfully he took their advice. Unfortunately, it was a really
33:39
horrible thing to go through, and we see things like this on the news
33:43
unfortunately a lot, and it is tough. But thankfully he was able to
33:45
get help in the aftermath of it. He could have been someone to just
33:50
like push through and not listen to doctor's advice, but thankfully he did listen.
33:54
Thankfully, he did take the time to take care of himself and that
33:58
was a positive impact on him. So we applaud you, Mick, even
34:02
though you might be ugliest sin not my words, Not my words. Up
34:08
next, we have Miss Lady Gaga and she actually opened up to Oprah Shout
34:15
out Oprah. When she was nineteen years old, Lady Gaga was actually repeatedly
34:21
sexually assaulted. She was repeatedly raped by someone that she knew. She said
34:24
that she actually didn't process and heal from that trauma because shortly thereafter she became
34:30
famous and she was young and famous, and she had so much going on
34:35
in her life that she didn't really have the time or headspace to slow down
34:37
and process it, and it really impacted her life and her mental health because
34:42
of it. Yeah, Unfortunately, like famous people have like that unspoken the
34:49
rule that they're not allowed to be struggling, and that really sucks. That's
34:52
why we see a lot of famous people struggling mentally and physically and not getting
34:57
the help that they deserve. To wrap it up, our last famous person
35:00
is Tracy Morgan. I do know who Tracy Morgan is. He's a comedian
35:04
who unfortunately was involved in a car accident in twenty fourteen. The accident was
35:07
so bad that one of his friends unfortunately died in the accident, and after
35:12
the accident he was diagnosed with a traumatic brain injury and PTSD, so we
35:15
had both neurologic and psychiatric complications. It is a great time to mention that
35:21
brain injuries often have psychiatric symptoms, which often is confusing and scary for people
35:24
recovery, and so's just really important to remember that. And Tracy has admitted
35:29
that he struggles with survivor's guilt flashbacks to the accident and fear of getting in
35:32
cars again. So we wanted to highlight these specific celebrities because they're relatable.
35:38
People tend to know these people and except make Jagger, I guess sorry.
35:45
I'd say most Americans probably a jagger, but it is a rare breed.
35:52
But we can identify with them and their stories help us understand that no one's
35:57
too big to have traumatic events happen to them, and no one's too big
36:00
to get help. So if you're struggling, if you've been through something hard,
36:05
and it doesn't always have to be therapy, it could just be starting
36:07
off by talking to family, just process the things that you've been through.
36:13
So much of our society just tries to ignore the difficult things that you've been
36:17
through. Just keep working, keep moving forward. But sometimes you have to
36:21
give it brain space and you have to give it a little bit of focus
36:24
if you actually want to process and overcome the things that you've been through.
36:30
We're getting near the end of it. It is take home point time.
36:32
Justin what do you got? My main take home point for the day is
36:37
Trauma informed care is a new and super sexy way to think about mental health.
36:43
I love the line of we're shifting the focus from what's wrong with you
36:47
to what happened to you, and I hope you start to use this as
36:52
a strategy in your career, in your life, wherever you think you might
36:54
need it. I think we've covered it. Also, I'll avert a little
37:00
bit from today's episode and just want to wish everyone a happy, happy Happle
37:05
Happy National Women's History Month. Shout out to all the women in our life.
37:08
Shout out to all the historical and amazing things that women have done throughout
37:13
history, not just our country's history, but it's just throughout history. I
37:15
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