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Back After the Blizzard: Valentine’s Confidence & Gut Health Real Talk · Shawna and LaLa: Life Beyond The Mic

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  Speaker 1: From the heart of the city, where the beat meets
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  Speaker 1: the rhythm of your day. It's Shawna m.
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  Speaker 2: What's up. You're listening to Shauna and Lalla. Check us
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  Speaker 2: me on Instagram at the Real Shawna.
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  Speaker 3: May and check me out at Bella Underscore La La
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  Speaker 3: one two five.
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  Speaker 2: We have been away for two weeks. I believe last
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  Speaker 2: week I was sick, and then the week before you
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  Speaker 2: were in Cayman Islands celebrating, I know, celebrating your fortieth birthday,
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  Speaker 2: and I was here dealing with twenty four inches of snow.
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  Speaker 3: I know, and I can almost say like, hah, I
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  Speaker 3: missed it, but I truly didn't, because yet you got
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  Speaker 3: to see the pretty part of it. It be snowing
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  Speaker 3: and falling, you know, sometimes that's pretty.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty. It was cold though, yeah, it was
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  Speaker 2: freezing cold, but I just, I mean, it didn't stop.
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  Speaker 2: I know, like almost twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 3: I was laying on the beach honestly and watching my
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  Speaker 3: ring camera and watching the snow build up, and then
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  Speaker 3: I would shut it off. And then because I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to see what we were in store for, and my
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  Speaker 3: brother was in store for in the animals. But I
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  Speaker 3: was watching it and it never stopped. But like I did,
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  Speaker 3: Like what I was saying is I didn't I feel
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  Speaker 3: like I didn't miss it because I came home and
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  Speaker 3: the snow was still the same height and it was horrible.
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  Speaker 3: We couldn't even get in. We couldn't park in the driveway.
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  Speaker 3: We had a park in the road and walk in
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  Speaker 3: this little footpath that my brother was able to kind
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  Speaker 3: of shovel out. It was horrible. I'm like, so we
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  Speaker 3: really didn't miss it, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, it was it was really bad. You know, in
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  Speaker 2: the morning, I heard the plows going by, and then
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  Speaker 2: when the storm really started, we it was just dead,
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  Speaker 2: like there was nothing. And then like a plow would
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  Speaker 2: go by, you know, every so often, and by the
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  Speaker 2: time the plow was done plowing the road, the road
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  Speaker 2: was covered again. Yeah, so it was like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm thinking that they were just like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: we'll just wait till it's totally over with. But we
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  Speaker 2: did not lose electricity, which I was so shocked because
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  Speaker 2: we lose electricity all the time, not as much as
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  Speaker 2: you do. Did you lose electricity? Do though?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we did. But I told my brother,
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  Speaker 3: I said, be prepared, have water, have extra blankets, some candles,
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  Speaker 3: and his little generator. So I hold him. I told him,
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  Speaker 3: you know, be prepared. But we didn't. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: we did. He didn't tell me that. It just it
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  Speaker 3: was just cold, you know, cold, and he couldn't he
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  Speaker 3: was trapped in the house.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure he was loving that.
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  Speaker 3: I know, no, he wasn't, but you know, yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: was an I told him it was a nice break.
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  Speaker 3: You couldn't go anywhere, no one could go anywhere, so
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  Speaker 3: you're not expected anywhere. Just enjoy it. You don't get
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  Speaker 3: many moments like that in life. It's always like go,
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  Speaker 3: go go, you know, Yeah, I got to be here.
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  Speaker 3: They're expecting me here. So that's the nice part. It's
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  Speaker 3: about snow days where you don't have to go to
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  Speaker 3: work or school or anything, and it's just like I
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  Speaker 3: don't have to do anything and no one's expecting anything
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  Speaker 3: of me. And I think that's the beauty of it.
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  Speaker 3: But of everything else, I hate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hate it. I went to shop rate a few
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  Speaker 2: days after the snowstorm, and I asked the cashier. I said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how was it for the snowstorm? And she's like,
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  Speaker 2: she said, the day before it was crazy, but it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't as crazy as she would have expected it to be.
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  Speaker 2: She said, did you know do you know that? She's like,
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  Speaker 2: there was tons of people here the day of the storm,
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  Speaker 2: she said, and they were doing like full full, like
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  Speaker 2: monthly shopping orders.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: And she said they couldn't park in the parking lot
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  Speaker 2: because of all the snow, so they were lined up
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  Speaker 2: on the side of the building. And she said it
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  Speaker 2: was a mess. And I'm like, what are these people thinking?
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  Speaker 3: This is what I preach. You know, I'm a prepper.
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  Speaker 3: If any of our listeners have heard our previous episodes,
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  Speaker 3: all the time, I prep I'm always prepared, and I
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  Speaker 3: always preach to people you cannot wait till last minute.
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  Speaker 3: And I understand some people, well I worked, I couldn't
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  Speaker 3: do it the day before. Well, then you have to
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  Speaker 3: be prepped prior, like way prior. And they were alerting
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  Speaker 3: about this storm a week prior, and they're saying it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be bad. Guys, it's gonna be bad. Get to
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  Speaker 3: the stores now because it's gonna get crazy as it
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  Speaker 3: gets closer. So you had time. You had time to
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  Speaker 3: do that, and then now you put yourself in danger.
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  Speaker 3: You put others in danger on the road because if
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  Speaker 3: your car skids're hitting someone, and you're putting these employees
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  Speaker 3: in danger because you know they're staying later or they
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  Speaker 3: have to come in in a storm, and it's just
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  Speaker 3: really not helpful to anyone. So please try to prepare
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  Speaker 3: prior as long as you have warning, like like we
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  Speaker 3: did with this storm, because we did had a week's notice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean I saw on TV the shelves
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  Speaker 2: were empty. I asked the cashier at shop right, I said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how are the shelves and she said they
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  Speaker 2: weren't bear She said, you know, but they were empty.
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  Speaker 2: And when I went there was no water, no gallons.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what people think is going to happen
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  Speaker 3: every snowstorm when I if I'm at a store or prior
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  Speaker 3: to it, you people have ten gallons of water, they
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  Speaker 3: have four gallons of milk, they have cartons of lots
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  Speaker 3: of eggs. Brett, how long do you think you're going
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  Speaker 3: to be trapped in your house? If you think about it.
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  Speaker 3: If there's a snowstorm, that even a blizzard, you're trapped
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  Speaker 3: in the house for what maybe two days? Are you
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  Speaker 3: really gonna eat drink ten gallons of water and go
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  Speaker 3: through two dozen eggs and four gallons of milk? Like
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  Speaker 3: I just I try to understand the concept. And I
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  Speaker 3: know it's ingrained in us as human beings. For as animals,
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  Speaker 3: they prepare, they hoard, you know, squirrels hoard nuts and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: We prepare at a panic and we panic by like
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  Speaker 3: COVID was the worst that was. That was psycho But
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  Speaker 3: why why why do we need that many things like
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  Speaker 3: for a day of a snowstorm or two days?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I even asked my mom, I said, are
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  Speaker 2: you know, are we going shopping? And she's like, do
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  Speaker 2: we really need anything?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: And the only thing we needed was I think milk
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  Speaker 2: and grapes and bread. We had no bread, yeah, And
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  Speaker 2: she ran out and grabbed it and that was it.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, whatever else, you know, And I had a
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  Speaker 2: whole list, you know, me, I had a whole list
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  Speaker 2: of snacks. And my Mom's like really really, She's like,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna be in the house maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Two days exactly.
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  Speaker 2: She's like you just went twelve days with because I
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  Speaker 2: was sick staying inside. She's like, we have enough food.
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  Speaker 3: Mental, Like it's mental. Yeah, And I think it's.
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  Speaker 2: Like the excitement of all right, we get to stay
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  Speaker 2: home and eat junk food, you know, and pig out.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I think it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it. I do because for me, it's
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  Speaker 3: always I want to make a comfort meal. So if
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  Speaker 3: a snowstorm's coming, I go to the store, not to
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  Speaker 3: get like a week's worth of food, but oh I
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  Speaker 3: want to make you know, a pot roast or something cozy,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in the crock pot or whatever. So that's
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  Speaker 3: when I go. I go to the store for that,
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  Speaker 3: or make sure I have pancakes for the kids, makes
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  Speaker 3: a good breakfast for them. So that part I get.
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  Speaker 3: But the like the crazy panic buying new, new, new,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like, you know, I was in Cayman Islands
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  Speaker 3: and uh, the grocery store is there. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I wonder what this looks like during hurricane season. Because
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  Speaker 3: hurricane season I understand because you could be without for weeks.
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  Speaker 3: It can be without electricity, you can be without water,
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  Speaker 3: running water. That totally get that. But a snowstorm. Come
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  Speaker 3: on people.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Nashville got the storm before we did and they
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  Speaker 2: only got maybe two or three inches and their whole
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  Speaker 2: town was shut down for like a week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not used so that's why. Yeah, South Carolina, Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my uncle is in South Carolina and they, uh,
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  Speaker 2: they got hit pretty pretty bad and they had no
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  Speaker 2: plows or sanders or anything, no salt. So my aunt said,
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  Speaker 2: like his job was going to be closed for like
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  Speaker 2: three or four days.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. That when they're not used to it, that's that's
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  Speaker 3: a different story too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Nashville was out I think ten or eleven daies
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  Speaker 2: without electricity, cheese, I'm thinking now, you know, we're two
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  Speaker 2: weeks in. I think they all have electricity now. But
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  Speaker 2: it's just it's scary, it's crazy, especially when you're not
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  Speaker 2: expecting it, Like who would expect that in Nashville?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, those that's those are different stories. Those are
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  Speaker 3: that it's really hard to prep for that. You should
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  Speaker 3: always have a prep kit. But yeah, for a southern
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  Speaker 3: state to deal with ice and froz and no, you're
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  Speaker 3: not used to that.
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  Speaker 2: So and it may happen to global warming. It was
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be warm I don't know it. It is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: We're in what is it called La Nina or El Nino?
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  Speaker 3: I know it switches every single I don't even know
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  Speaker 3: where that's I guess the topic for another day. But
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  Speaker 3: it's like when the seasons, it's something with the weather,
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  Speaker 3: and if it's like the La Nina, it's the cold front,
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  Speaker 3: and then if it's El Nino, it's the I can't remember.
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  Speaker 3: I'm probably wrong, but that was a big thing when
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  Speaker 3: we were younger.
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  Speaker 2: All I know is that it is freezing cold and
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  Speaker 2: my body can't take it.
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  Speaker 3: It's disgusting. But you need to go on vacation, that's all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm depressed being back here. I had a
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  Speaker 3: beautiful time in the Cayman Islands. It was eighty degrees,
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  Speaker 3: the sun was being on me, the ocean was so warm.
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  Speaker 2: And it was beautiful. Those pictures you sent me were gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: It's the most It's the prettiest island I've ever been to.
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  Speaker 3: And I haven't been to all of them in the world, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: but I mean I've gone to Bahamas, I've gone to
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  Speaker 3: a few different ones, and this Cayman Islands knocks it out.
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  Speaker 3: Of the wood every single time. It's like, it's just safe,
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  Speaker 3: it's beautiful, it's friend they're so friendly there. It's small,
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  Speaker 3: it's quaint, so it's my heaven. I always say it's
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  Speaker 3: my little slice of heaven. And it was just the best.
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  Speaker 3: And I felt so good and I realized how good
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  Speaker 3: the sun is for you. And that's why I need
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  Speaker 3: to move south, because I just felt amazing. I felt happy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're happy on vacation, but I'm talking about just the
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  Speaker 3: warmth hitting in your skin. It just it does something too,
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  Speaker 3: and you get the endorphins. So we had a great time.
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  Speaker 3: I had. I swam with the dolphins, I ate a
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  Speaker 3: lot of good food. I met some great people down there.
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  Speaker 3: We always seen meat people and they become friends and
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  Speaker 3: we met a great group of people and it just
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  Speaker 3: it was Great's so I'm I can't wait to go back.
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  Speaker 3: I'm already saying it was. When are we booking the
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  Speaker 3: next trip? I gotta go back. I have to go back.
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  Speaker 2: He's probably like, you need to wait. I should say no.
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  Speaker 3: He's the one I actually brought it up first. He said,
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  Speaker 3: do you want to go back in November? And I
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  Speaker 3: was like, maybe, you know, and now I'm then saying
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  Speaker 3: every day because I'm freezing, like when are we going back?
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  Speaker 3: Like we gotta go or Florid or something. We need
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: to get out of here. The winter is depressing, It
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  Speaker 3: really is. And I totally believe in seasonal depression. It's
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  Speaker 3: so true. And I go through it. You go through it.
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  Speaker 3: My husband, he goes through really really bad. So you
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  Speaker 3: just got to boost that vitamin D. Just take your
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: vitamin D every day. And it's trying to do right now.
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely a real thing. You know, there's some kind
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  Speaker 2: of light you could buy. I didn't buy it, but
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  Speaker 2: my doctor actually told me about it. Yeah, because I
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  Speaker 2: would say, like, you know, I feel so great in
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  Speaker 2: the summer and in the sun, and he's like, you
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  Speaker 2: gotta buy this light.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It works. It makes your body feel like it's
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  Speaker 3: in the sun, and then it produces the vitamin D
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  Speaker 3: and other things that the sun helps you produce.
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  Speaker 2: So but it doesn't give me a tan no, no, tam.
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  Speaker 3: But listen, I know they say tanning beds are so
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  Speaker 3: bad for you, and I understand, but I do believe
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  Speaker 3: in small, small doses of it. Oh yeah, just to
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  Speaker 3: boost like it's even three minutes, three minutes in it
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  Speaker 3: once a week or something.
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  Speaker 2: It gives you enough.
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  Speaker 3: It's good for you. In that sense. It has to
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: be proper lighting. I was researching it and it can't
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: be these cheap lightings that some of the gyms used.
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  Speaker 3: But I believe in it too. I totally believe in it.
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  Speaker 3: It can be beneficial when used properly, and it helps you,
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  Speaker 3: especially seasonal depression.
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  Speaker 2: Valentine's Day is this week, and uh, it's just a
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  Speaker 2: regular day to me. I don't know about for you. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you're married.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard because we say, Me and my husband both
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  Speaker 3: say we don't like Valentine's Day. My husband hates Valentine's Day.
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  Speaker 3: He says it's a it's just a commercial holiday that
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  Speaker 3: they used to make money on cards and flowers and candy.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's stupid. Wait, am I saying it wrong?
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  Speaker 3: I know people get mad at that it's Valentine Day
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  Speaker 3: or is it Valentine's Day?
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  Speaker 2: Valentine's Time's Day? All right, it's not Valentine's.
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  Speaker 3: Like tyme im, I was asking if there's an S
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  Speaker 3: on the end.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there is Valentine's.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so we both don't like it, but we
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  Speaker 3: use it as an excuse stick about to eat because
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  Speaker 3: you know that we love doing that. We love experiencing
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  Speaker 3: new restaurants. So that's all we do. We don't get
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  Speaker 3: cards for each other, we don't get gifts for each other,
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  Speaker 3: no candy, no roses, but we'll like, hey, you want
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  Speaker 3: to go to the Bronx to Arthur Avenue and go
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  Speaker 3: to a restaurant, Like that's our favorite thing to do
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  Speaker 3: is just go to the Bronx to get some good
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  Speaker 3: Italian food. So this time we were going to go
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  Speaker 3: to the Bronx, but he didn't book it in time
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  Speaker 3: because we were in the Caymans. So we're probably gonna
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  Speaker 3: go to a steakhouse that's local, try it out, a
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  Speaker 3: new steakhouse. So that's all we really do. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I agree, I don't like Valentine's Day. I think that
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  Speaker 3: it's just an excuse to spend unnecessary money. I think
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  Speaker 3: you should acknowledge each other, Like if it's important to
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  Speaker 3: your spouse, if they really love it, or your wife
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  Speaker 3: loves it, definitely do something, even if you think it's stupid,
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  Speaker 3: do something. Take her out to dinner, make her dinner,
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  Speaker 3: give her a handwritten card. But if you're both are
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  Speaker 3: on the same page, like me and my husband, either
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  Speaker 3: use it to your benefit and say, hey, it's a
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  Speaker 3: date night, let's do something, get a babysitter for the kids,
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  Speaker 3: or just don't do anything. You know, it's just a
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  Speaker 3: regular day to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it is. You know, me and my mom we
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  Speaker 2: usually go out to dinner and we always go to
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  Speaker 2: the same place, and I always get the steak and
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  Speaker 2: she gets some kind of fish or something. But I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if we're gonna do it this year, just
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  Speaker 2: because of my health situation and my stomach can't handle it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's so expensive. Oh yes, they jack up the prices,
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  Speaker 2: and the restaurant that we actually love going to it's closing.
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  Speaker 3: I believe it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh no, I think it's being sold for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. Well, you know, even if you don't go out,
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  Speaker 3: maybe pick a meal that you and your mom like,
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  Speaker 3: either order out or make it. You know, say hey, man,
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  Speaker 3: let's make that posa dish.
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  Speaker 2: I like, you know, that's a good idea filet mignon.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So we got some really cool products for
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  Speaker 3: Valentine's Day, and Madison Park was an amazing company that
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: sent us a few different things, but I was on
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  Speaker 3: their website and I wanted to buy everything. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if you've ever heard about Madison Park. They do
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  Speaker 3: sell a lot of home decor furnishings, right bedding. So
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  Speaker 3: I got this gorgeous rug for my bathroom, a bath
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  Speaker 3: mat and it's huge. Like Seana was like, how big
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  Speaker 3: is that? I'm like, I want it really big, like oversized.
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  Speaker 2: Well it is oversized, yeah, but it's beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: It was beautiful. It's really I like the pattern on it.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's a dark gray, but just the knitting
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  Speaker 3: in it. And I like an oversized rug because when
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  Speaker 3: I get out of the bathroom, my tile is really
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  Speaker 3: cold and I don't just want to stand right against
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  Speaker 3: the bath like the glass of my shower, so I
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: want to kind of walk out. So I'm like, I
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  Speaker 3: want a big one. And it works perfectly, if perfect
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: in the space. I don't know if you saw that
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: video I posted about it but on our Instagram, but
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: I did. Yeah, she absolutely loved it. Angelina was like
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: laying in it because it's so soft. And I got
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: like a fox fur throw from my bed and it's white.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: It's furry. It's really cute and soft. And you got
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: the satin sheet of the silk sheets right, the satin sheets.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't put them on my bed yet, but I'm
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: going to uh this weekend.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: They're so good for your skin, like I use satin
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: and silk pillowcases. Great for my hair, great for my skin,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: and it helps with aging. It helps with not getting wrinkles,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: no acne breakouts, and it keeps your hair from being
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: frizzy and breaking.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Really I didn't know that.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I cannot sleep on anything else. Even when I
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: go to a hotel, I bring my silk pillowcase. And
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: it started with Jelena when she was a baby. It
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: helped because she had the crazy she still has crazy hair,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: and it helped her hair from nodding. And I bowl
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: one for myself and I have not looked back since
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: that's all I use.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Well now I'm really looking forward to it. And we
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: also got tiny Lucks, which I was very excited to
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: try out their earrings because my ears are so sensitive
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: and I used to be able to wear gold and
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: the fake ear rings and all that. I can't anymore.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: And I haven't had earrings in a very long time.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: And my holes have been closing and it takes forever
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: to put earrings in. And Tiny Lux is for people
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: that have reactions and sensitivities to gold and to the
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: fake kind of metals for earrings.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: You know, like the cost and jewelry. That's all I
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: wear sometimes, but I used to. I don't know what
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: happened my ears. When you have a sensitivity the ear rings,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: it gets infected, they swell, they hurt, they get really hot,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: and it's very common and you have to a lot
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: of people have to only wear like strolling silver or
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: real gold, but the costume jewelry or the fake metals
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: can bother people. So these are great. The titanium, as
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: you know, you have titanium in your body right your spine.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Or titanium is a great metal. It doesn't really react
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: to anything. It's it's not gonna cause issues. So I
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: love that the thought behind Tiny Lucks doing that to
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: all their little earrings, and their earings are so cute.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: They are, and I think they're great for anyone, kids
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: to adults. Yeah, and we got the little hearts and
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: they are perfect for Valentine's Day. And then they also
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: sent little black diamond ones and they're cute. They're adorable.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they would be cute in like a second hole
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I have in my second hole like a hoop. And
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: then that little the little one's so cute. And when
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Jelena gets her ears pierced, we gotta do that. I
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: definitely want to get some tiny lucks for her because
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: they're they're like perfect for like soapetite.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: They really really are. And if you want to spice
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: up your Valentine's Day night with your special someone, Adam
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: and Eve is the website to go to. They have
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: everything from lingerie, pajamas.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Adult toys, adult games.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Everything, and they literally have something for everyone.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: They sent us a few little cute outfits or bedtime outfits.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: We had this lace, white laced baby doll lingerie set,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: absolutely gorgeous. This cute pink romper. I looked at it,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not fitting in that because it looked
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: so small, But guys, looks are deceiving. I put it
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: on and it hit me, so I'll have to take
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: a picture of it. It's a cute little romper. I
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: don't really wear rampers, but I liked it and we
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: got well, Oh Valentine's day pajamas. It was like a
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: long I think it's a Onesie Onesie. Yeah, it was
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: a Onesie. And oh yeah, we got a like a
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: sports bra. I'm calling it a sports bra, but it's
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: like a little cami top with little booty shorts in
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: a pink and a gray with lace. So gorgeous. So
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: they had a ton of stuff and it was so
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: hard to pick, but I think it's it's perfect for
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: spicing up Valentine's Day or your love life. So we
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: had an amazing interview with Katie Hadley. She's the founder
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: of the Integrative Center for IBS and Cibo, and she
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: was just a wealth of knowledge and knowing that Seana
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: and I deal with tons of GI issues, she was
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: the perfect person to have on the show. And I'm
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: excited to jump into this interview.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: On the show today we have Katie Hagley. She is
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: the founder of the Integrative Center for IBS and Cibo,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: which is more common than you would think.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: It's become very very common. Yeah, I don't even know
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: what twenty years, I don't know. It's crazy.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have both and I was diagnosed with it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I was diagnosed with IBS first and then I went
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: to a specialist and he was like, have you ever
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: heard of cibo? And I'm like nope, And I did
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the time and he was like, your score, he said,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I've never seen a score so high, he said. He
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: was like it should be in a textbook, he said,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: because it was just off the rock, like it was
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: off the page. So yeah, I took medicine and it
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: just didn't help.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: But I'm so glad you were able to first of all,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: get the diagnosis. I mean, that is a hard thing
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: to get and the fact that your doctor even need
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to test you for that is sometimes a rare experience.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: And I like, I don't know exactly what you want
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to talk about today, but like we could talk about that,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: like the fact you did a round of antibatics it
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: didn't work, And now my guess is you've been told, well,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: it didn't work, so that's that.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: No, he said, basically, I need to change my diet,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: you know. And I actually just finished the around of
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the refaccimen. Yeah, yeah, because I've been having a lot
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: of GI issues and it did work last year, and
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: but this time around it did not work. They didn't
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: test me for sibyl, But I have a lot of
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: other things going on. Yeah, so yeah, it's just it's frustrating,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: and you know, the doctor's diagnosis, even for La La
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: is Oh it's ibs.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: It's Ideah, they're.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Just throwing it at you. It's like, no, something is wrong, right,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: look into it more. Tell me what it is, what
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: is going on? You know, I changed my diet. I'm
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I need to drink more water. But you know it's
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: obviously I don't think it's diet related anymore because I'm
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: really not.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Eating that much.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: So now you had sibyl Is that what?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah? So I went through probably a similar journey to
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the two of you, where it was told, oh, DIBs
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: like bandage your stress, like eat well, you know that
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: kind of thing, and you know, you know, take take
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: a medication here and there, like a needed And I
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: mean my GI issue started very early. It was like
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: elementary school. But I was also a very anxious kid,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: so were like, it's our anxiety, like sugar out of it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Oh guess what. I didn't. It got worse and I
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: had a lot of chronic infections, so it was always
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: taking antibiotics. So I had anxiety with these infections. I
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: had gout issues, and no one ever really thought at
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that time to like, oh, these things could be connected, right,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Like you've taken all these antibiotics or you're just like
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: throwing these bombs on your gut all the time, and like,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I'm not anti antibiotic, excuse me,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: but we need to be intentional about it and understand
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the consequences that has on our body, which is very real.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: We also know that the immune system is connected to
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the gut as well, and so all of these things
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: are interplaying here and making them more. So we know
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: mental health and gut health, you know, it's all connected.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: So I had all these things going on, and when
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I got into high school, my mental health really really
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: took a nose and at sixteen, I attempted suicide. And
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: after that things sort of changed. And I didn't see
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: it at the time. You know, when you're in it,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you don't see that turning point. But looking back, that
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: was a turning point for me. And I actually got
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: into the health field because of the mental health component,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: not even gi So I started studying exercise, it became
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a personal trainer, and then nutrition, all these different things. God,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I was like something else to change, and my therapist
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: had actually said to me, like, you know, like what
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you eat can affect your mental health. And I was like,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what, Like I've never heard this. I
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: grew up in a small town, Like I don't know
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: about this, you know. And so I started doing these
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: things and it was very helpful and I had, you know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: mental health support.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: But.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I was sort of living. I ended up living the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: sort of like healthy lifestyle, right. I was exercising every day,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I was eating really well, but I felt like kind
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of a fraud because I still had all these GI
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: issues and I was like, I'm doing so well mentally,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: my immune system is so much stronger, but like, what
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: is going on in my gut? Like I'm over here
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: preaching about these things, but like I can't even figure
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: out what's going on. For So I went back to
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: school became a dietician study functional medicine, and it was
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: honestly all super selfish because I was like, I need
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on because I keep seeing
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: specialists and people are like, it's IVS. There's nothing you
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: can do, and I was like, how is that possible? Yeah?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: And so I ended up finding an atopathic doctor, and
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I did several functional medicine tests. So I did SIBO
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: breath tests. This was before CIBO even had a diagnosis code,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: before it was like considered a legitimate diagnosis. And so
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I had all three types of cibo. There are three types.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: We could talk about exactly what that is for people
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: who don't know. But I had this bacterial overgrowth of
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: my small intestine. I had multiple parasites. I mean, my
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: gut was a wreck. I had tons of inflammation going on.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And finally it was like, you know, usually you get
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a bad test result back and you're like most people
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: would think that's like a sad thing, right, You're like,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh. But I was like, yes, something I
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: can do about it.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Every time I get a test result like the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: other day, I was like, it's it's normal.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: You're disappointed that it's normal.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, get something, come back and say something.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And I know you mentioned this earlier about
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: like the cebo's actually pretty common. Studies have shown that
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: between sixty and seventy eight percent of people who have
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: been diagnosed with IBS actually have SEBO and the gud
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: newses with SEBO. That's actually something you can treat. That's
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: something you can get rid of. So cibos basically where
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: bacters overgrowing in the wrong part of the gut. So
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: when we talk about the microbiome, it's always like we're
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: we're like, oh, we want all these different bacteria and bugs,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: like it's a rainforest, right, We've all heard these analogies.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: But that's for the large intestine. The small testin's not
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: supposed to have that. So when you have vacteri overgrowing,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: it creates so many symptoms. It creates bloating that really
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: intense abdominal pain like constipation, diarrhea. It can also cause
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: other symptoms in the body. It can get brain fog
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and fatigue. It can rob you of your vitamins at minerals,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: so you can get low vitamin at mineral levels. It
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: can some certain types of seaboat can also have like
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: skin connections, so we can show up all over the body.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: And this is not something you can get rid of
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: with just healthy eating. In fact, for a lot of
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: people with seaboat, eating healthy foods actually because you feel worse.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And so women primarily are diagnosed with ibs. They're told
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: it's in your head, like manage your stress. You know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: this is just gonna be something you're gonna have to
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: manage for the rest of your life. And I'm over
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: here trying to spread the message, like can I cuss
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: on this podcast? Like that's bullshit, Like that is so
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: like the medical gas lining that happens is so it's
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: just unfair and it's not anyone's like fault. I don't think, oh,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: doctors are out here to like, you know, it's not
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: like that. But like the first studies we had on
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: CEBOA were one hundred years ago in the nineteen twenties.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: We did not have an official diagnosis code for CEBO
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: until two years ago, which means that people going through
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: medical school were not taught about seboat. So you have
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: all these gi doctors, all these dieticians, myself included, who
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: are never taught about this condition. So unless you are
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: specially trained in it, it's very unus usual for someone
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: to get a SEBOA test. So that's why I was like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: that's amazing that you were able to get that test
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and get that diagnosis. But then we have a lot
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: of lapses in terms of care and treatment and nutrition
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and all of that just because of lack of knowledge.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: So do you think because they're saying that my body
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't metabolize or break down fats, proteins, supplements, right, Yeah,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: is that part of sibo sebo?
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: It definitely can be. So seboat causes damage to the
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: gut lining, and the gut lining releases these enzymes to
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: break down food. Right, So like when we eat, we
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: don't just like get all the nutrients immediately, right, We
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: have to digest it and then we absorb it. And
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: if that digestion piece is if there's kind of a
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: breakdown there and it's not as efficient, then you can
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: get malabsorption of so you're not probably digesting and absorbing protein, carbs, fat,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and also certain vitamins and minerals. So yeah, that's really
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: common and there can also be some other factors here
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that can play a role, Like for some people there
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: are other conditions that they may end up having that
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: also contribute to the to not properly digesting. But yes,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the good news is though there are certain lifestyle changes
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and supplements and medications that you can take to help
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you break down the food. So it's like, yes, the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: goal is get rid of the cibo, right, so your
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: gut can do what it wants to do, but in
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the meantime that you don't just have to suffer right
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: like you can. And I think this is where there's
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: often a big lapse in like communication and educations, like well,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: what all can we do in the meantime to help
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you better digest your food, because not only are you
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: gonna like feel better in terms of GI symptoms, but
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you'll you'll be able to get all those nutrients that
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: your body needs to fuel.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and digestive enzymes. I am taking them right now,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: mm hmm with every meal, and I did see a difference.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I don't get it right now, and I think it's
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: because I'm so inflamed.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you can get back on the probiotics
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: to do probiotics help sibyl.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Or they can they can be hit or mess. So first,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: there is research that shows that when you take probiotics,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: it can basically help to crowd out the overgrown bacteria.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Because the bacteria that caused CEBO, it's not like they're
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: all like, quote unquote bad bacteria. It's just that they've overgrown.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: So we can have them in little bits, but when
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: they're too much, that's when when the problem you know happens.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: So some probiotics can help to crowd it out, but
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: some people with CIBO are very sensitive to probiotics. For example,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: some people with CIBO develop what's called histamine intolerance. You
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: have histamine intolerance. Probatics can make it worse. So it's
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: one of those conditions where it's like it's there are
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: like general guidance and strategies, but at the end of
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the day, like having personalized care and like someone to
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: help you walk through it. Honestly, is so so important
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: because it's like if you try something it doesn't work,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of nuance there, you know what I mean.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, she's been on so many antabatics. I can't
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: even tell you. In the last two years alone, it
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: was like every two months she's on a different form
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: of antabatics. I'm like, her gut is so now. It's
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: so mess up because my little background on me is
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: at seven years old, I was on a lot of antabatics.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: But my mom back in those days, any little sniffle antabaxy,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, we.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Were popping them like candy, you know what I mean,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Here you go.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: And then one day I started to bleed in my
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: stool and my mom took me the doctor. I had
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: diarrhea and they diagnosed me with ulster clitis. Now, looking back,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: it was after a big bout of antabatics and talking
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: to other people with ulsterra clitis and prones. It happened
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: after a bat of antabatics. Like you said, your gut
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: was messed up, you know, something must have attacked when
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: my know, my biome was messed up, and I lived
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: with it until now where my colon ruptured in twenty
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: fifteen and I had to go through and get the
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: bag and all that. So I feel like what stage
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: she had with all these antabatics that she's been on
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: the high strongly antibiotics all this time. So it's like
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: a I don't know, I don't know what to do
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: for her.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And they just keep throwing antibiotics at you, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know if I have an infection.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think I do, right, although my blood work
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: did show that I had an infection and they told me, no,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I don't, but it could be all the inflammation. Yeah,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm so inflamed that my intestines physically hurt, and.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: There are so many there are so many things that
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: can happen within the gut that can all be connected.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: It's like, yes, you can have one condition, but you
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: can also have multiple things happening, you know, like, for example,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: you can have c boat. You can also have inflammation.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: You can also have a microbiolin balance in your large intestine.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: You could also have parasites. You could also have X,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Y Z. Right, Like, the whole the gut is such
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: an ecosystem, and I think it's really important in folks
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: like you, in these cases where it's ongoing, it's significantly
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: affecting your quality of life, it's significantly probably affecting other
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: areas of your body besides just your gut. It's really
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: helpful to try to figure out get as much information
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: as possible. So the cebo test is a great place
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to start, and honestly I recommend doing them often because
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: if you're undergoing treatment for it, we need to see
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: is it working or are those gas levels changing. In
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: cases like yours where we have really high methane, those
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: are some of the hardest ones to get rid of,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: but in most folks it is possible, but you have
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: to keep retesting and see it is what I'm working
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: doing or we seeing the gas levels come down, because
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: let's say we do a round of antibiotics and it
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: drops those gas levels because the bacteria are producing the gas, right,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: So if we can measure how much bactery is there
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: by seeing how much gas is being produced, that's essentially
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: what we're looking at. And so when we see the
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: gas doubles come down but it's not negative, then it
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: means we got to keep going with something, otherwise they're
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: just gonna shoot back up again. So so like let's
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: do drown numbers. So with mathane, we want it to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: be under ten parts of per millions is how we
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: measure that's the amount of gas being produced. I've seen
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: levels as high as one hundred and eighty, which is
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: very high. Right, So we might do a round of something,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: whether it's antibiotics, herbal, something called the elemental diet. These
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: are the three ways to get rid of seba. And
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: so we might do a round. It might drop from
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: one eighty to one forty. Oh my gosh, amazing, but
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: like you're still gonna feel terrible near ten, you know
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: what I mean. And so that's one of the big
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: gaps that we see is not retesting and not like
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: treating the person, you know what I mean, versus just
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: like the one lab, it's like, how are you feeling,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: are you improving? What is the results saying? Looking at
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: those two together, and then we can also look at
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the microbiome as a whole. So there are certain types
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: gives me, certain types of stool tests that are very,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: very in depth. We look at these for like people
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: who are like microbiome specialists. They're not typically run in
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: like traditional GI docs offices where we actually sequence the
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: full microbiome. And we also look at like how all
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you digesting protein carbs in bad do you have short
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: chain fatty acids? What kind of inflammation is there? Do
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: we have any like pathogens those kinds of things. And
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: then when we look at all that together, we can
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: come up with a comprehensive plan as opposed to just
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: this thing here and this thing here. It's like, no,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: we're like addressing everything that's going on in your body.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: So basically, my doctors have all told me to oh,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: take a loxative, take take me or locksa every day
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: every other day. I don't want to do that. That's
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: obviously not treating my intestines to work on their own.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: So yeah, what kind of things can I do? And
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: what are the risks of using laxatives all the time.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is such a hard one because with
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: methane cibo, the primary symptom is really bad constipution and bloating,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, the traditional recommendations just don't
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: really move the needle, and so laxatives are typically the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: go to and we right, we have to empty our bowels,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: like that is so important for so many different reasons,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: your comfortability, your detoxication of you know, hormones and toxins
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and like just everything right, So, yes, we need bowels moving,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: but long term use of laxatives can cause dependence where
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: your colon isn't really having doing the proper contractions on
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: their own, and so you know, we can talk about
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: some different strategies that help, but I think like the
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the like thing that we always want to work towards
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: is eradicating the cibo, eradicating the bacteria that's producing the gas.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: So as long as we're working towards that, I like
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: try to ease people's minds of like we're heading in
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: that direction, and you got to do what you got
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: to do in the meantime, but there's lots of things
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: that you can do in addition to laxatives or instead
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of laxatives. So from a lifestyle perspective, getting regular movement
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: is really really important, like even going for walks, especially
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: after meals multiple times throughout the day. Doesn't have to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: be intense exercise, but walking is one of the best
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: things we can do. Staying hydrated is really important, which
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: can be especially challenging in the winter. So you know,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: like having a hot tea or like you know, adding
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: like fruit to your water, like whatever is going to
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: make you drink those fluids because when the stool sits
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: in your colon, it dries out and everything gets slower.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Then you also want to make sure that you have
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: enough fiber, which is tricky with cibo because certain types
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: of fiber are bothersome the bacteria ferment it and create
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the bloating in the gas because I remember, the bacteria
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: is in the wrong place, and so focusing on like
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: the types of fiber that you can tolerate, we call
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: this low fermentation types of fib and to in that
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: fiber paired with the water will help stool move through
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: having regular meals at like a set time so your
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: body sort of no one's to expect food can be
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: really helpful for both digestion and motility. And then there's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: some like fun little like hacks and things. I call
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: them like hacks because they sound kind of fake and
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: they're simple, but like they're actually really helpful. So first
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: of all, squatty potty. Do we love a squatty potty? Yeah?
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: And I don't need it, but my husband.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: So that's very real. When your knees are above your hips,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: you have a better alignment and it's easier to pass stoel.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: So squatty potty is great. And making sure that that's
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: like heighth appropriate, because that's gonna be different for each
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: individual based on their age, they're you know, how tall
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: they are and everything. But essentially we want these above
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the hips. First thing in the morning, Okay, this is
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the one that sounds really vake. First thing in the morning,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: get a glass of warm water, all right, and you're
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: gonna you drink it really slowly and you're gonna make
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: like a chewing motion with it for the whole glass
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: of water. And this stimulates a reflex in the colon
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: to like move food through. Now, it's not like a cure,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: all right. Like these sort of natural things are like
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: we gotta like you know, pull multiple things in and
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: do multiple things. But that's one that can help. You
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: can also add a little bit of olive oil to it,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: or like do a little shot of olive oil on
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the side. That can also be a good one. And
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: then the old adage of like your prunes, your prune
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: juice that's legit also canned what.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Was that mom's every day gets some prunes.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I used to wear, like I grew up eating prunes
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: every day because my parents were like, it's good for you,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh nice, mom, Like nice work if
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: you don't. If you don't like prunes, though, canned pears
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: like in their own juices or canned pairs and they're
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: in water can be helpful. And also kiwis are good too.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And then there are some like supplements and things like
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: that that work similarly, but they're also kind of like laxatives,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: so you know, people think, oh, if it's natural, it
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: must be like fine. It's like yeah, you know, like
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: magnesium citry, magnesium oxide, MCT oil. These can be really helpful,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: but also like we still don't want to be on
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: them forever either.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, A lot of it stuff you know, other stuff
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: it's not so you gotta take that. And I definitely
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I constantly, even this morning, I was telling her the
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: same exact thing, like you need to drink more and
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: you need to move more, and it was explaining that
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: it dries out, you know. Yeah, I mean I was
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: also talking because she doesn't drink enough. I'm gonna be
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: honest here, she doesn't drink enough. Would you see these
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: ivy therapy places popping up? Is that something that would
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: be beneficial to someone who's constantly dehydrated or is it
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: really not? Do you know?
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I mean you know it's one of those things where
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: it's like is it sustainable? Like how can we? And
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I know this is something you've both talked about, right,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Like when you're talking about like setting new Year's goals,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: it's like make sure it's sustainable, right, and so like
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: coming from that perspective, like what's realistic and doable and
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: sustainable for you? So like if something like that would
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: be helpful to kind of kickstart things for whatever reason,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you're like really severely dehydrated and you need to get
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: that replenished. But on the day to day for most people,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: that doesn't really make a lot of sense, but like
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: thinking about using those in intentional ways, right, Like, for example,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: if your body is also like lacking in like certain
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: vitamins and minerals, it can be helpful to do something
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: like that to boost levels up quicker and then get it,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: you know, focused on getting it from food. So they
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: do have a time and a place, but it's like
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: when and when why are we doing it? And also
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: like how are we how is our day to day
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: gonna support us? From that standpoint, that's good to know.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: So can you explain your five R approach to gut healing?
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, So the five our approach is a functional
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: medicine approach to supporting the gut, and so the five
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: RS can be sort of we use them as a framework,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: and how we implement them is going to be unique
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: for each individual based on what's going on in their gut, right,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: which we learn from like doing testing and asking questions
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and everything. So we want to make sure that the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: five RS are all our words, remove, replace, repair, recede,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and rebalance. So remove means remove anything in the gut
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that shouldn't be there, right, This could be but the
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: bacterial overgrowth, right, Ciba remove all that bacteria that's overgoing
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: in the smaller testine. It could be removing any paras
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: and everyone thinks they have a parasite. Everyone comes to me,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: like Katie, I think I have a parasite, and like,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: look as someone who hades. That's very real, but also
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: like not nearly as common as a lot of people think.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: In my experience, it's a lot of bacterial issues versus
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: like you know, like parasites. Yeah, but if they're there,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: we got to remove them and remove anything that's like
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: inflammatory for the gut, you know, triggering foods, alcohol, things
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: like that, So remove things that are bothers on. We
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: also need to replace what's missing. So you mentioned like
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: not being able to digest protein, carbs, fat, replacing those
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: enzymes to help you better digest that. You know, ideally
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: we're gonna help your body do it on its own.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: We might need to do that short term with supplements
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and then start incorporating some of those lifestyle pieces to
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: help tell your body to make more on its own.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: We also might need to replace vitamins and minerals that
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: we're low in. You know, CIBO causes often causes low
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: iron or ferretin. Ferritins is the body stored iron. It
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: can also sometimes cause low B twelve. So the like
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: that we got to replace all of that.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Mine was a six.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Your ferretin Yeah, yeah, that's crazy low and I wish
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I could say I've never seen that before, but I am.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah I have.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Like, it's that's so low for someone who for someone
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: who is menstruating, I like to see that fifties. So yeah,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: six is not great. Talk about fatigue, like, do you
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: deal with fatigue.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: All the time? Yeah, like yeah, And then they gave
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: me iron treatments and I had a reaction. They overdosed me.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: So but did your ferretine go up? I have I
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: forgot to ask. Yeah, it's now where is it at?
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: It's now like in the normal range normal. Okay, yeah,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: that's it took a while to go back down to normal,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: but that's good. Yeah.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So ferretin, P twelve, vitamin D like, these are
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: all things that we should definitely be looking at and
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: replace that if needed. We also need to repair the
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: gut lining. Now this goes hand in hand with inflammation.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: So the gut lining is super delicate. It's a single
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: layer of cells thick, and so when we have damage there,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: it can really rec havoc. It can cause things like
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: food sensitivities that maybe we didn't used to have. It
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: can cause pain, it can cause diarrhea. There's actually a
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: connection between intestinal permeability or what we call leaky gut
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: with autoimmune conditions, so it can cause all kinds of issues,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and so we definitely need to repair the gut lining,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: make that nice and healthy and strong. We also want
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: to recede. Now, recede means like put the good bacteria in.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily mean probiotics. It totally can for the
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: right person, but it might also be like eating fermented
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: foods which are natural probiotics. It can be just eating
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: foods that are original mega threes and polyphene to help
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: create an environment where bacteria like to thrive and grow.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: So that's our receed and we also need to rebalance
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the lifestyle, right, and it's like, how do we create
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: this environment for ourselves in a way of existing in
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: being that keeps that healthy gut long term. And that's
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: not to say like people with GIS, you're like, oh,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: it's your fault, Like just fix your lifestyle, right, Like
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: it's way more complex than that, but that is such
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: an important piece. So often people are like, I don't
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: want I don't want the medications, Just give me the
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: natural stuff, but like, just give me the pills. And
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but it's this you're doing the same thing.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Like if all we're doing is just taking some of them.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Someone that once worked with me when they signed up,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I asked lists your medications and your supplements.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: They were taking over seventy supplements, seventy seven zero different types,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: some of them multiple pills a day. It's like, what
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: are we doing here? And I get it, It's like
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: we're so desperate to feel better, right, but it's like
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: we have to also look at, you know, the lifestyle
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: piece to it. So those are the five rs that
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: we really need to focus on. And so for folks
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: who have whether it's IBS or c BOAT or IDD,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: the microbiome plays a role in all of these conditions.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know what your experience was
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: with alterative colitis, but I feel like for so many
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: folks with inflammatory ballot disease, like you see and chromes.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: It's never even talked about the gut microbiome and that
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: we know that the microbiome actually plays a critical role
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: in these conditions. Now is it the full story, No,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: because it's an autoimmune condition, but it is really really important.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: So the five our framework is really again for everyone
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: and then based on what's going on in their gut uniquely,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: we like figure out which ones do we need to
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: focus on first and which ones are most important, and
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: it's you know, step by step.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Like so for me, when I was diagnosed back in
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: what was it, ninety four, nineteen ninety five, I believe
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: there was no no one really even had IBD back then,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Like it was very rare. No one knew what ulcer
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: clita was or chrones. And my mom did a ton
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: of research and she was finding probiotics and different herbal
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: stuff and the doctor was like, yeah, that's that's that's nothing.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: They didn't understand the gut biome and all the bacteria. Yeah,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: but I'm finding now, which makes me happy. Like when
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: I go to the GI with her, the doctors are
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: more they're realizing that that's important. And I think we're
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: seeing a slight change, but it's a lot of times
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: it's just throwing pharmaceuticals at people and not realizing, Hey,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: like the gut biome, that's that's super important, you know.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think we are in such a pivotal
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: time right now when it comes to macrobiome research. We
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: just didn't have the tools before that we have now.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I mean even just since I've been in this field,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: you know, when I'm in my thirties, it's like things
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: have progressed like so quickly in terms of like whether
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: you know, just microbiome research as a whole, and so
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of this has just been lack of knowledge.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Like we've known it's important, but we haven't known exactly
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: what I was going on, you know. Just to be
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: able to fully sequence the gut microbiome is a pretty
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: new technology, you know. And like the stool tests that
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I use, they used to cost thousands of dollars and
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: now they're like three hundred and fifty dollars for like
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: a really good like practitioner level one, And so it's
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: becoming more accessible. We're better understanding it. And you know,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I love what you said about like it shouldn't just
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: be this or that, it shouldn't just be oh antibiotics
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: or biologics right for IBD or probatics. It's like it
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be conventional versus functional, Like they both
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: have a time and a place. My life has been
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: saved multiple times by conventional medicine, Like I had an
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: internal bleed and I was on the brink of death
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and I didn't even know it, and like doctor saved
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: my life. And like I had a really bad infection
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: when I was like and was hospitalized with ide antibiotic
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: saved my life. Like don't get me wrong, Like we
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: need it. And when we look at the body as
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: a whole and we look at supporting and we look
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: at as all things connected in the microbiome and this
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: and that, like they don't have to be at odds
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: with each other. But you know, the way our medical
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: system is set up is that we have experts in
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: different areas and so it can feel like us versus them,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: right or this or that. But you know, my practice
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: is fully integrated, fully functional. But I'm also conventionally trained,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: and I work with conventional docs all the time for
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: referrals back and forth because we have different scopes of practice.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: And it's like you have to see the provider that
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: has the tool in their toolkit for what kind of problem.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: You know, what kind of repair you need, right Like
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: you don't hire an electrician to fix like the plumbing
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: right like so, and this is true with nutrition as well,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Like like doctors aren't really trained in the everyday like
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: nutrition or nutrition for specific conditions in the same way
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: the dietitian is. And so people go to their doctor
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: looking for nutrition counseling that's just not within the scope
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: of what they do. They go to their doctor looking
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: for information about how probiotics can affect X, Y and
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Z condition, and their doctor might not be trained in that,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: you know, and similarly with tests. So we just need
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: to make sure and be interested to hear your both
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: of your perspectives on this. But like building that healthcare
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: practitioner team and like truly a team of different providers
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: who are all value aligned with like your approach, your
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: goals and are bringing their unique skill set and tools
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: to that equation to support you and work together like
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: that is so so key. And how have you two found.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: That it doesn't work? They don't want to talk to
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: each other and they don't want to be a team.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Or just more so they think their way is the
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: right way.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: One doctor she had we were trying to explain. I mean,
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: it might sound silly to you, but we were looking
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: into everything for her, like genetics, and she has a
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: lot of issues. So we thought, oh, can we can
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: we have her tested for maybe the MPT. I can't
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: even remember saying that that MPT gene. Yeah, that has
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of things to do with how she's absorbing
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: supplements and details and it's not And she just basically
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: laughed and said that, no, you don't need that. That what
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: you know, And it's kind of like you feel, I
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: feel like the doctors, many doctors are just sticking their
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: nose up to more holistic routes or trying to get
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: to the bottom of things, you know.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she basically told me to go to
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: bed at midnight and wake up at six in the morning.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: For her, it's why she was so fatigued, because that
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: was one of the reasons we gave we want to
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: test her because she's also fatigued too. She's not detoxaying
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: and she's like, oh, you need to change your sleep schedule.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: It's not that. So we found it hard that they
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: don't want to listen. They think they know better. They
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: kind of like roll their eyes at you, you know
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: what I mean.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: And even with you, U asked for certain blood work
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: and they give you a hard time.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I understand. I don't. I didn't go
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: to medical school, but I am doing a crep ton
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: of research. Yeah, better in my life more than they're doing,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: I feel like on the situation. So yeah, if I
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: see something that worked for someone else, I'm going to
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: bring it up to them. And that's the correct And why.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Is that insulting to a provider, Like as a provider,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I don't get why other providers get upset about that.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Like great, like you've been clearly doing a lot of research.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: You're clearly motivated. Like I am here as a guide
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: to support you, And why should I feel threatened by
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: you asking me questions? Like no, don't get me wrong,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Like if someone's being aggressive and mean, like that's but
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: that's totally different, Like that's so rare, right, Like yeah,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: most people like we just want to get better. And
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: like also I don't know, feel control of your body
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: like that might be nice too, you know, and like
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: understand what's going on and yeah, I really don't like
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: that whole Like, oh, well did you google it? Like, well, yeah,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I googled it. Of course I google it, Like wouldn't
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: you if you were like debilitating pain and like looking
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: at like lifelong conditions and like quality of life was
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: in the tank, Like, of course you would google it.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: And there's so much information out there and our fingertips
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: which is so amazing and can be empowering but can
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: also lead people down very dark routes and having someone
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: to help you navigate that information, and like I have
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: people who bring stuf up and I'm like, that is
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: such a great thought. We haven't talked about that, Like
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: let's consider that and then at the end of the
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: day we might decide to go for it or not
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: go for it, but at least that we've had a conversation,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: like we've thought about things outside the box, like you
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: should be a part of your healthcare team, and if
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: those people on your team are not making you feel
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: like you have a voice and you have a say,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: that is a problem. It's a massive problem, it is.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: I said to her, I'm like, I don't understand what
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: what is it taking away from them to say, well,
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: let's just let's try that avenue, let's do that test.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Like I don't It doesn't take money out of their pocket.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get it takes two seconds to write
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: the script.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, we've we've found that that's the issue
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: is some doctors are great, like her GI doctor. He
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: is more he's been going more holistic with things like
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: he has around the digestive enzymes. He told it about probiotics.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: And I mean I a few years ago, my GI
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: didn't mention that at all. We have the same GI.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: So I think that some are getting more on board
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: and others are still stuck in like the Stone ages,
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: and it's like nope, you know, yeah, it's hard. So
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: like you said, if they're not working for you and
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: they don't want to work with you, then you move
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: on find somebody else. And I truly believe that.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: And the idea of like lack of communication and working
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: as a team. It is really hard when we are
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: stuck in an insurance model. And I made the decision
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: so I shared my private practice seven years ago, and
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I started accepting health insurance one year ago. I always
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I'm never gonna I'm not gonna do insurance one doesn't
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: pay us that well, is Dietagians two, Like, I don't
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: want to be stuck in this like short, it's in
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: this and that where like I feel behold into insurance
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: companies and like have to take these boxes. But then
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you run into the other side of things, which is
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: like it's so expensive. It is so expensive to have
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: chronic health conditions and to have people pay out of pocket.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: It's just like, is that feasible, Like when you're yeah,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: if you're just gonna do like a medication visit here
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: and there or whatever, But it's like if you're actually
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: trying to make sustainable changes and like you know, like
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: have this ongoing support, it doesn't really make sense. So
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I start accepting health insurance, which I feels very aligned
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: for me in my practice in terms of making healthcare
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: more accessible. But I have a private practice, so that means,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I can spend ninety minutes with someone if
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I want to, and like bill insurance for that, you know,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: versus more conventional practices. You know, what is it seven minutes?
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Is that average appointment?
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: So it down?
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: What is it now?
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: Or for around here it's four minutes?
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, it's it's insane.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: It's so insane, it's so insane.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, doctors have told me that if
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: they go over the four minutes, then it comes out
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: of their pocket because they.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: The receptionists have to stay later. This is one place
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: over here, right, so if it pushes all the appointments later,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: now they're supposed to close at five and at six o'clock,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: they have to pay the staff.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: You know, it's sane long and you know some providers
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: are seeing twenty people a day and they're booked out
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: for months, and like that's exhausting for everyone involved in
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: How do you even if I saw that many patients
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: a day, like I wouldn't be able to keep everyone straight?
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, I asked my doctor, I said, how many
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: patients do you see a day? And he said he goes, oh, today,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: he said, I see, I'm seeing forty, which is like
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: insane to me.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Oh did you see that money and properly help everybody?
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So you know, I think that's where having
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: having those different providers on the team can be really helpful.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: My vision for my so my practice currently it's myself
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: and a few other functionally trained dieticians. The whole you know,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: our whole practice is dedicated to GI conditions, to gut health,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: and ultimately my goal is to bring on other types
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: of providers like mds or nds, maybe even like therapists
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: right like and really have that integrated care because that
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: is exactly what I found going through like my healing
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: journey as well. It's like you got the left hand,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking to the right hand, and like people
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. And so that that's what
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to create, is one place where if you
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: have chronic complex gut conditions, you can go there. We
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: are all collaborating, we're all working together. So that's what
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: we're working on.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: That is great and I believe that that that would
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: solve a lot of issues if you had just the
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: whole team and it's like, oh, and you're communicating with
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: each other, Hey, this is what's going on. What do
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: you suggest Let's let's have her see you next week
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: and let you know that's amazing and talk.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: To each other and communicate. Yeah.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Yeahs.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: My doctors very rarely do they communicate with each other.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Now, if someone if someone wanted to book with you,
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: what is the process look like for someone because it's
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: probably if we don't live near you. Like, let's say,
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: can you explain the process to our listeners?
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, So between myself and the other providers
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: on my team, we are licensed in basically every state
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: in the US. Honestly, when someone comes to us and
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: they're in a state that we're not licensed, one of
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: us will get licensed in that state. Like, it is
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: a a lot of hoops to jump through, but like
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: right now, accessibility is absolute top priority for us. So
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: we see you folks in all states in the US,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: and we accept most health insurance plans as well, so
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: we're network with you know, Anthem, COSPA, Shields, SIGNA, ETNA United,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: like all those major ones. And so when people are
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: interested in working together, I always set them up with
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: a free call with me, like one on one. First
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: of all, let's see if it's a good fit like
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: both ways like you like. Studies show again and again
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: that one of the most important thing between a patient
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: and a provider relationship is like the trust. So do
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: we vibe like do you like me as a person?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Like do I feel like I can help you? There's
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: one people where I'm like, look, I don't think it's
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: a good fit for X, Y and Z reason, but
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I think, like so and so this other practice would
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: actually be a better fit. So let me connect you
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: with them, you know, So we do a discovery call,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: we kind of chat things through, and then I'll pair
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: them with the right person on the team based on
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: what kind of support they're looking for and all the logistics,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: and then we do a super super comprehensive intake. The
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: number of times that I went and saw a doctor
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: and they're like, what do you hear? And I'm like, okay,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: do you have an hour because I got twenty years
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: of GI issues and like treatment that I got to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: get you up to speed on now, and no, they
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: don't have that time. So going into it, we do
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: like over the top comprehensive intake, So have people upload
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: any and all labs, imaging, blood work, stool tests, cibo tests,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: colonos to be's like, give us all of it, and
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: then you know, if you have a doctor's note, we'll
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: look at all of that. And then we do some
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: really in depth questionnaires. So full body sent you questionnaire
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: full lifestyle questionnaire, so tell us about sleep, movement, nutrition,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: all of that and of course medical history, and we
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: review all of that before the first visit, and then
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: during that first visit, it's typically an hour and a
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: half and we just like talk and we talk through
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: it all together, and it's like a brainstorming, game planning
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: sassion of like, Okay, this is what we know, this
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: is what we don't know. Sometimes I'll be like, oh,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: you didn't tell me you had this condition and they're
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: like I have diabetes and I was like.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: Well you're blood.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: No from your doctor says you do, and they're like
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: wait what Like this literally happens, So like we kind
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: of go through everything together and then we decide, Okay,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: is there anything we don't know at this time that
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: could be helpful to look at? For example, do we
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: need to do a cebo test? Do we need to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: do a comprehensive stool test? And I kind of lay
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: out we lay out those options because I think it's
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: important for people to know what the options are. I'm
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: never here to force anyone to do anything, and I'm
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: never gonna make recommendations for tests that I don't think
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: are you know, make sense in this context. But it's like,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: look based on X, Y and Z, you know, I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: think this test and this test would be most beneficial.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: You know, you haven't been tested for these vitamin and
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: mental deficiencies, but you have fatigue. So we kind of
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: lay it all out and then see what do you
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: want to do? Do we want to pull the trigger
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: on some of these different things, and then the person
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: decides what they want to do, and then we start
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: incorporating two kinds of like things. I think about one
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: is our long term game plan, right, how do we
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: start taking the first step there? Right? So, for example,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: if someone has cebo, how are we going to start
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: working on the cebo? But also, let's start putting out
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: the fires right now, because some of these conditions are
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: lifelong and or even if it's something we can get
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: rid of like cebo, if it's significant, like if you've
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: been dealing with it for a significant amount of time
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: multiple years, it could take months and months and months
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: to get rid of. You shouldn't have to suffer that
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: whole time. So how can we start incorporating strategies, whether
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: it's lifestyle, whether it's nutrition, whether it's supplements. Again, we
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: have different options here that we can talk through so
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: that we can start putting out those fires. Help to
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: start you feeling a little bit better. You know, It's
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: like if you're fatigued, like how much can you really do?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: So let's start incorporating strategies for energy and so we're
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: working on that long term game plan as well as
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: helping you feel better in the meantime. And then every
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: time we meet, we're building on that. Right, what's working,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: what's not? How are you feeling? You know, how are
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: we working towards that that ultimate goal? Do we have
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: new data to you know, talk about to review together?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Have you seen another provider? How did that visit? Goal?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: What did you learn?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: That's right, getting those notes and communication and then we
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: have a couple different ways to work together. One is
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: just straight insurance and we just build them every time
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: we meet. The other option is if it makes sense
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: for you and you want, you can also pay out
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: of pocket for in between messaging support. So if you're like, look,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: I know we're going to see each other every two weeks,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: but I just want to be able to like message
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: you about you know, the things I'm experiencing on a
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: day to day basis and have ongoing support. Folks can
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: pay for that part out of pocket. Just because we
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: can't we can't build insurance for that. That's awesome.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: So yeah, so it's basically anyone anywhere can could get
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: the help. And so if we're testing, like let's say
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: the stool's testing, is it something that you send to
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: the house or you know, or if you have to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: go somewhere to pick it up.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: And most of the testing that we do, unless it's
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: a blood draw, most of it you can just do
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: a home and ship off. So the stool test gets
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: shipped to your house with the little prepage shipping label,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: you know, just do it in your own bathroom, we
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: ship it off. Same thing with the CBO test. It's
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: actually at home test. And then if we're doing something
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: like blood work, you know, we can put in that
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: order through you know, your local lab core you can
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: go get it done. Or sometimes it's like hey can
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: your doctor order this? Like insurance might you might have
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: better coverage of your doctor order, so maybe we fax
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: your doctor and we're like, hey can you order this?
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  Speaker 1: So we we kind of take those things into consideration too.
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  Speaker 2: Now do you test for histamines?
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  Speaker 1: So a lot of folks I work I work with
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  Speaker 1: have histamine issues. It is something we can test for
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  Speaker 1: but we often don't need to test for it because
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  Speaker 1: the symptoms are typically very clear and specific. So usually
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  Speaker 1: if we're suspicious of it, then we'll start incorporating strategies
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  Speaker 1: for it. And usually that's enough to start helping. But
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  Speaker 1: if for whatever reason, we do need to further work up,
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  Speaker 1: there are tests that can be that can be done.
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  Speaker 3: That's good to know. It's something to think about, definitely, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because you need help, right, yes, all right, So where
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  Speaker 3: can our listeners our viewers find your information? You have
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  Speaker 3: a website, Instagram or.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so our website is a center for ibs
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  Speaker 1: dot com all spilled Out centerfibs dot com and social media.
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  Speaker 1: Is my name, So it's Katie Hadley and it's Katie's
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  Speaker 1: in the fourth grade. I had a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: an identity crisis and I changed the spelling of my
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  Speaker 1: name and it's stuck. So Katie is ka y.
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  Speaker 3: Te Katie had I love talking to you. Thank you
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  Speaker 3: so much for thank everything. You are a wealth of
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  Speaker 3: knowledge and hopefully we can get our listeners and even
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  Speaker 3: Shawna on back on track using some especially someone who's
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  Speaker 3: been through all of this, so that's what makes it
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  Speaker 3: even more important.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you so much for having me, and
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for all of the work that
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  Speaker 1: you two are doing, I mean a health advocacy. It
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  Speaker 1: is so needed, it is so needed, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: very difficult system to navigate and knowing that you're not alone,
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  Speaker 1: knowing that there are tools and strategies and community to support,
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  Speaker 1: and just raising awareness for all these things like you
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  Speaker 1: two are doing such important work. So thank you for
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  Speaker 1: having me on and if there's anything I can ever
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  Speaker 1: do to support you guys, please let me know.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie, we appreciate that. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: It was so nice talking to you.
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  Speaker 2: And that's so shoal for this week. Thank you so
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