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Still Comfy? Mermaids · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Team Tolerator. We are still on our summer break
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  Speaker 1: from new episodes of To All the Men I've Tolerated before,
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  Speaker 2: And here we are. We're live. It says it in
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  Speaker 2: the corner. We did it. We did it.
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  Speaker 1: We don't even have to question it. It's just no,
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  Speaker 1: y'all are live. Hi everyone, this is still comfy with
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  Speaker 1: jewels and Nat. I'm Nat and that's jewels and still comfy.
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  Speaker 1: Is an exploration. Has it been a while since we've
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  Speaker 1: done YouTube? We haven't done YouTube since before Christmas?
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  Speaker 2: Right? The last did we do? Love? Actually? Love actually
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  Speaker 2: was the last one?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we graciously bowed out of the mighty Ducks for
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of January.
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  Speaker 2: We just we weren't ready. We weren't ready and I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't ready.
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  Speaker 1: No, So instead we are here today doing Mermaids, which
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  Speaker 1: is the nineteen nineties classic when share raising one one
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  Speaker 1: Ona Writer and I was right last week it is Christina.
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  Speaker 1: It's a baby Christina Ricci. Yeah, she had to have
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  Speaker 1: been like seven or eight. I honestly did not comprehend
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  Speaker 1: that her and Winona Writer were not the same age.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, that can't be right, because think
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  Speaker 1: about it. We all watched Winona Writer and Christina Ricci
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  Speaker 1: movies relatively parallel to one another.
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  Speaker 2: Well but so but but in the nineties, Winona Writer
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  Speaker 2: was doing the more twenty year old stuff how to
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  Speaker 2: make an American qull Little Women reality bites.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was a child during the nineties.
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  Speaker 2: I mean me too.
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  Speaker 1: I was like Christine when the movie came out.
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  Speaker 2: Two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the movie came out in ninety I looked
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  Speaker 1: it up.
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  Speaker 2: It barely makes the nineties. Oh right, so they probably
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  Speaker 2: filmed in eighty nine. So I was sick. I was sick. Yep. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so Mermaids.
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  Speaker 1: I I could do the manic recap that I normally do.
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  Speaker 1: Or I could read us a text exchange from hot mom.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I vote for text exchange from hot mom. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm watching Mermaids last night because it's my job,
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  Speaker 1: and I text my mom because I like to brag
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  Speaker 1: about how cool my job is. And I'm like, hey, Mom,
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching Mermaids with share because this is a movie
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  Speaker 1: we used to watch together when I was a child.
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  Speaker 2: She texts back a.
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  Speaker 1: Full hour and forty minutes later. I love that movie.
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  Speaker 3: Was she or she texted you no? Go ahead, largely
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  Speaker 3: ignores me. Yeah, okay, my family largely ignores me. So
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  Speaker 3: then I type back, mom, no shade, but you allowed
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  Speaker 3: one of my favorite movies to be one where a
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  Speaker 3: twenty six year old social recluse recluse deflowers a teenage
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  Speaker 3: one ona writer in a Catholic bell tower. And then
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  Speaker 3: today she texted me it's a beautiful movie.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm really glad that you brought up the twenty
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  Speaker 2: six year old thing with you with your mom, because
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  Speaker 2: after you recommended that we watch this because remember I've
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  Speaker 2: not seen this film before. Oh you've never seen mermy no,
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  Speaker 2: because remember I was sheltered with a capital sh oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm watching this and I said, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: did they just see Jake Ryan is twenty six? Uh huh?
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  Speaker 1: It is also at thirty four years old. That's the
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  Speaker 1: first time I've clocked it. I also, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I was only watching the Maid for TV version
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  Speaker 1: because oh, maybe they.
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  Speaker 2: Owned this movie. Maybe they could cut off it.
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  Speaker 1: So they were like a twenty six year old Jake
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  Speaker 1: from sixteen Candles just be feeling up children that he's
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  Speaker 1: driving to school because he's also.
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  Speaker 2: Her school LUs drive bus driver. Yeah, because that scene
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  Speaker 2: is kind of racy for nineteen ninety.
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  Speaker 1: It truly is racy. I don't remember it being that racy.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the I remember JFK's death being the center
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  Speaker 1: point of their physical relationship. I was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: do remember this. I did not remember, and maybe it
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  Speaker 1: was because I was a child watching this, So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what penetration face looks like. But I do
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  Speaker 1: not remember clocking the moment that he enters her body.
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  Speaker 1: But this time I was like, oh no, because Wenona's
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  Speaker 1: a star. Yeah, there is a clear moment on her
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  Speaker 1: face where she's like, and now he's inside of me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah. And then also, but doesn't this movie
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  Speaker 2: take place over multiple years? Because didn't it say nineteen
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  Speaker 2: sixty one and then we had it Kenn, there was
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  Speaker 2: two years, and then there was New Year's and they
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  Speaker 2: were in sixty four. So then I was like, wait
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  Speaker 2: a minute, why isn't anybody aging?
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  Speaker 1: Why isn't anyone aging? Also, it couldn't have taken place
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  Speaker 1: over several years because the whole thing about Share is
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  Speaker 1: she never SAYD is in town for a year, right,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know. Can I don't think continuity was
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  Speaker 1: like a big thing in the nineties. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: people were like, there's no way that anyone's ever going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about our movie, so we don't have to
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  Speaker 1: pay attention, right.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. I do want to take a moment and
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  Speaker 2: talk about how gorgeous Share is.
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  Speaker 1: Share is a literal goddess. She's so fucking hot in
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  Speaker 1: this movie, just stunning. She I wrote at the very
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  Speaker 1: end of my notes, after this whirlwind of a movie,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, share the og hot mom.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes. When all the girls were like to
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  Speaker 2: why not, as character Charlotte, your mom, look at there's
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  Speaker 2: my mom, and there's my older woman who's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like frumpy clothes and her hair's kind of old looking.
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  Speaker 2: And then they're like, but look at your mom. I
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  Speaker 2: want to be like your mom.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I truly believe that that's how my mom
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  Speaker 1: lived her life. Tries to fire by Share from Mermaids because.
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  Speaker 2: We watched this movie a lot.
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  Speaker 1: When I was a child, and I'm like mother and like,
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  Speaker 1: she also let me watch because late at night they
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  Speaker 1: would play the race Youre Dirty dancing with the actual
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  Speaker 1: sex scenes and the abortion. So my mother would also
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  Speaker 1: allow me to come downstairs from my bedroom as a
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  Speaker 1: child and be like, oh, are you not sleeping? What
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  Speaker 1: if we watched Dirty Dancing, the racy version every night
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  Speaker 1: that you're supposed to be like preparing for school the
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  Speaker 1: next day or whatever. So I knew all Like, I
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  Speaker 1: knew every sex scene by heart in Dirty Dancing, And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like the choices I.
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  Speaker 2: Did sneak Dirty Dancing quite a bit when I was
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  Speaker 2: a kid, the choices that we made as an adult.
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  Speaker 1: I do have a question for you, okay, So share
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  Speaker 1: is like the og hot single mom. How do you
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  Speaker 1: feel about how in the nineties we portrayed single moms
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  Speaker 1: as just fluzies who needed to get out of town
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  Speaker 1: if she got a reputation.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it funny? I was like, I've been Natalie's gonna
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  Speaker 2: ask me about single mom shit.
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  Speaker 1: I am because I have because I'll let you answer.
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  Speaker 1: I have an answer to this question. I just like,
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  Speaker 1: I have no frame of reference. It's just respectful for
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  Speaker 1: me to answer it.
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  Speaker 2: I okay, So here. So I had a couple of
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  Speaker 2: things going through my head about the whole thing. One
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  Speaker 2: it was like, okay, so it's the sixties, so a
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  Speaker 2: woman really does need a man? To survive, because then
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  Speaker 2: we talked about that for now and then yes, and
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  Speaker 2: that's the structure of our culture even still to this day.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't live in the right area for career advancement,
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  Speaker 2: it's your You basically are dependent on getting married or
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  Speaker 2: having a sugar daddy of some kind. And then just
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  Speaker 2: this idea that she's a fluozy was like kind of
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  Speaker 2: frustrating because I felt like that was a very male
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  Speaker 2: lens to see her through. And I don't think director,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the writers are I think there was
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  Speaker 2: some I don't remember the names in the credits, if
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  Speaker 2: it was female or not. But it was really frustrating
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  Speaker 2: because the way that they sort of lead you into
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  Speaker 2: this whole like she has to leave because she's fucked up,
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  Speaker 2: she's a broken woman. And then you have this guy
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  Speaker 2: who shows up who's just a doorable is lo was
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  Speaker 2: a jem. He lose a job and he's a dream
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  Speaker 2: finds somebody like that, and then you know, you get
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  Speaker 2: a little insight about how like with Charlotte's dad, he
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  Speaker 2: just wasn't into it, which is typical, and with Katie's dad,
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  Speaker 2: it was just kind of like, well that.
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  Speaker 1: Happened, and then he just drove away into the night.
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  Speaker 2: Into the night, and so it leans all of the
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  Speaker 2: responsibility of child rearing on the woman and none on
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  Speaker 2: the man. And what I saw towards the end of
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  Speaker 2: the film was, here's just another woman who's victim of
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  Speaker 2: the system because she just wanted to be in love
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  Speaker 2: and she wanted a little bit of freedom, and she
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to conform in the way, but she still
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  Speaker 2: wanted to be loved. And then you know, she had
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  Speaker 2: to figure out how to survive and she's being punished
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  Speaker 2: for it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and my answer to this is when my mother
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  Speaker 1: and I were watching this just as girls, it was
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  Speaker 1: very much a we're gonna watch this because it's about
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  Speaker 1: share and truly when on a writer, but Christina Ricchie
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  Speaker 1: plays a bigger role in the movie than normally for
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  Speaker 1: the little kid who's in the midst of the teenage
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  Speaker 1: mom experience, and we're going to talk about mommy and
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  Speaker 1: daughter dynamics. And I was like, Oh, that will be
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  Speaker 1: a good one to do. And then I watched it
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, this movie literally makes women
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  Speaker 1: out to be the devil, Like, yeah, women are evil
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  Speaker 1: in this world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you really see that a lot too in
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  Speaker 2: Wynona Writer's character because she's so desperate to be a nun,
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  Speaker 2: so you can only be two things, a nun or
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  Speaker 2: a slut.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this movie is what they need to show in
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  Speaker 1: philosophy classes. If you're ever talking about the Madonna horror
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  Speaker 1: uh par or no opposite spectrum?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, were you gonna say Paradida paradigm? Yes, that's why,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, like I feel like people talk about
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  Speaker 1: that about like you're either Madonna, You're either the Virgin Mary,
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  Speaker 1: or you are a whore, and there's nothing in between.
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  Speaker 2: And still to this day, there's no allowance for in between.
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  Speaker 2: Look at how they crucified Samantha Jones on Sex and
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  Speaker 2: the City, you know what I mean. Like that was
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  Speaker 2: released in nineteen ninety eight and ran until two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and six, and they still just, I don't know, didn't
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  Speaker 2: understand her character. The other thing that I thought was
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  Speaker 2: really interesting about why I no on A Charlotte's Charlotte.
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  Speaker 2: The character Charlotte was her fascination with Catholicism, right even
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  Speaker 2: though Mom repeatedly says, we're Jewish, but we don't really practice.
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  Speaker 1: And do you know, go ahead, I have a funny connection.
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  Speaker 1: My mother over Christmas told me that when she was
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  Speaker 1: Charlotte's age or younger, because I guess Charlotte is eighteen
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  Speaker 1: in the movie, or at least that's what she tells
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  Speaker 1: the doctor, but we will get to that trigger.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that scene.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, when my mom was a preteen or a
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  Speaker 1: young girl or whatever, she read one book about a
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  Speaker 1: Jewish family and she decided that that Jewish family was cool,
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  Speaker 1: and therefore she asked her dad, why can't we be Jewish?
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  Speaker 1: And he goes, because we're Christians. We're just Croatian Christians,
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  Speaker 1: that's see whom we are. And she's like, m not
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  Speaker 1: into it. So that made me giggle watching Mermaids. Let's
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  Speaker 1: go around watching her just like fiercely be want to
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  Speaker 1: be a saint?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And and just the way she unpacks some of
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  Speaker 2: the things about Catholicism. You know, I didn't realize until
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  Speaker 2: just now, or not just now, but within the last
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  Speaker 2: six or seven months of my life, and really coming
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  Speaker 2: to head with this film, just how scary the concept
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  Speaker 2: of the immaculate conception is. Because she has no idea
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  Speaker 2: that kissing won't get her pregnant, and we know this like,
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  Speaker 2: this is a running joke with in movies all the time,
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  Speaker 2: in television all the time, with kids who don't understand
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  Speaker 2: sex because we won't talk about it, we don't have
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  Speaker 2: education about it, blah blah. But the genuine and actual
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  Speaker 2: fear she feels because she's kissed a boy and now
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  Speaker 2: she must be pregnant because you know, Mary didn't do
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  Speaker 2: anything and she it was just that's horrifying.
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  Speaker 1: It is horrifying. And then you layer on top. When
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  Speaker 1: she's in her manic episode and she steals shares car
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  Speaker 1: and drives away, she screams out the window, I want
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  Speaker 1: a life that is exciting and vibrant or something. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, because all of the saints scare stories,
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  Speaker 1: especially saintly women's stories, terrifying, burn got the setic beheaded
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  Speaker 1: all of it. I was like, So she also wants
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  Speaker 1: to be a saint, not just to be like holy
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  Speaker 1: and godly and to have some sort of like structure,
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  Speaker 1: but she wants to be a saint because she also
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  Speaker 1: feels like that's the only way she can be exciting
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  Speaker 1: without being.
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  Speaker 2: A hoe like her mom. Right, even though her mom
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  Speaker 2: is just trying to survive, she's not really a hoe.
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  Speaker 2: She's just playing this the game that she was told
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  Speaker 2: she had to play to survive.
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  Speaker 1: My my resounding note through this entire movie was Chare
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  Speaker 1: was not that bad of a mom's.
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  Speaker 2: Like really truly, Oh so your worst crime is because
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  Speaker 2: you pick up and relocate every year, Like, okay, army
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  Speaker 2: brats have the same experience.
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  Speaker 1: I was, honestly, I was like, she doesn't even pick
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  Speaker 1: on Charlotte that much. For the Catholicism thing. She just
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  Speaker 1: like rolls her eyes and walks away from it, and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, just so you know, we're Jewish. And then
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  Speaker 1: like when she moves to Greek mythology because all of
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: us weird girls have our Greek mythology era, shares like,
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  Speaker 1: we're not Greek either, So I just I guess, keep
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  Speaker 1: looking and.
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  Speaker 2: Keep trying to figure it out. The other part two
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  Speaker 2: that kind of bothered me about the lens that we
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  Speaker 2: see this film in some ways when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: the women, was like you said, just how bad all
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  Speaker 2: the women are and the hypercharge of Charlotte sexualization. Like
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I in listening to Podmeat's World today, I realized that
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  Speaker 2: maybe that is some people's truth. In reality, it wasn't mine.
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  Speaker 2: I was old boy crazy, but it wasn't like at fourteen,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't like, oh my god, I need to make
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  Speaker 2: out with a boy.
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  Speaker 1: I think when I was younger. The running commentary in
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  Speaker 1: her head, how we hear each one of her intrusive
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  Speaker 1: thoughts was funny because it is funny, Like it's funny
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  Speaker 1: for like Winona writer, who have never even considered looking
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  Speaker 1: at a boy. And one hot to track twenty six
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  Speaker 1: year old recluse named Joe shows up and she's like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I can only think about taking off
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  Speaker 1: his pants. I don't even know what's going to be
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  Speaker 1: there when I do it right.
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  Speaker 2: But I guess it's more like, like, is that our
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  Speaker 2: innate desire to be nude? Because you know, with the
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  Speaker 2: I like to call, you know, the Christian stories that
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  Speaker 2: we were told children and being naked in the garden
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  Speaker 2: of Eden. You know, I don't know, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. It's like one of those things where'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: how do I don't even know how I ever thought
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  Speaker 2: those things as a child. If I ever thought those
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  Speaker 2: things as a child, I just never like the whole
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, I just it's always so interesting
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  Speaker 2: to me when I learned about that when other people
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  Speaker 2: had their sexual awakening. Because I grew up in a
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  Speaker 2: very repressed household, so my parents.
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  Speaker 1: Tried to ignore the fact that sex existed, but also
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  Speaker 1: would let me read and watch whatever the hell.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted, right, so I had all this exposure from
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  Speaker 2: literature and pop culture.
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  Speaker 1: I remember being a horny preteen, like I remember being
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  Speaker 1: like a horny little gremlin, and just like you know,
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  Speaker 1: reading books and meaning like this is what sex is like,
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  Speaker 1: and it's brilliant and it's lovely and I cannot wait
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  Speaker 1: to do it. And that's why there's an entire episode
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  Speaker 1: dedicated on my podcast to losing my virginity and like
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  Speaker 1: literally trying to give it away to the highest bidder, Like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: who's coming over and who's doing this?
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  Speaker 2: That wasn't my experience, and we and I got a
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  Speaker 2: lot a very heavy handed messaging about like you need
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  Speaker 2: to be careful about who you give it to, and
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  Speaker 2: once you give it away, you can't have it back,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, the consequences are yours to bear in
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: yours alone, Like it wasn't ever you know this presented
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: as this magical experience that you can enjoy with. So
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: even though I'm watching you know, television of the nineties
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: and there's all this comedy around sex and whatever, there's
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: still this very hanvy handed church. I mean, they have
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: fucking purity ceremonies for crying out.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Loud like it was to find one movie that has
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: like a purity dance, like a purity ball where you
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: may have saved.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's exactly what we do. And I love Saved.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: When Saved came out and I watched it, I was like,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: holy shit, and I thought I was the only one
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: who went through a private school experience, private religious school
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: experience like this.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Listen, this is why would we watch?
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: This is us?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: And you told me you didn't think Mandy Moore was
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: a great actress. I got mad because I'm thinking of
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: how to deal and Saved in a walk to remember
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Mandy Moore of my youth and how Anne even just
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: like Lana from The Princess Diaries just singing her little
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: stupid cupid song. I'm like, Mandy can do it all,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: including dementia, like give the girl her due, Mandy's got it. Also,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Christina Ricci has always talked like thirty year old Christina Ricci.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: There was like one line where I was like, put
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: a cigarette in her hair, just like with the knowledge
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of like kings that came from Atlantis, Christina Ricci, that's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: how she talks, right.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize she started acting so young either, Like
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I knew she was like a quote child actor, but
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: like I'm thinking, you know, it's so cute and Casper
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and what else was she in where she was youngerish?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I love her to pieces. I'm a huge Christina Riccie nerd.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I love Yellow Jackets. I will watch anything that Christina
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Ricci and Wanona writer.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you what your favorite Christina Ricci is.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: What's my favorite Christina Ricci? I don't know now, and
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: then Christina Ricci Ramona I think I agree. Yeah, I
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: wasn't like a huge Casper lover, like we watched it
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought Devin was so cute.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I haven't gotten bold enough to tell Devin Salwa that
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: he needs to be on the show to talk to
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: us about Wild America.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Oh, and I just think he's adorable
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: and like he's not some weirdo either, Like I know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I'm on on where I was following him on Twitter.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I don't open Twitter anymore. And I was just like,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: you seem like a solid dude. He's a great man.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: No, we all got harmed up for Casper turning into
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Devin Salah. And then I'm like, should I be having
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: sex with ghosts? Like Ada and Rice books. I also
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: read a series by Megcabot called The Meniator Series where
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: she was trying to fuck ghost and she was like fifteen,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and I was like, should I Should I just like
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: give up on corporal boys and try to fuck ghosts.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe they'll like me. Maybe. And this just in Mermaids
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: is Christina Ricci's first feature film.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Cute as a button. Cute as aute as a button.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Oh.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: The Adams Family. I guess okay, yeah, the Adams Family.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say it
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: right now. I don't like the Wednesday show. Oh, I
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: haven't watched it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I think that the Adams Family is truly only charming
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: as a unit. You don't to watch them so low
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: because then it's weird, because then it's not all of them.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Then it is literally just Wednesday saying bummer things all
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: It was designed, it was designed to be an ensemble,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: so yeah, yeah, they are the Adams Family. I haven't
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: watched it, so I don't have an opinion.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I missed the entire family the entire time. I was like, oh,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you know, it would make this show great if Mortitian
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Gomes weoring it more. Well.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I love how much Mortician Gomez just loved each other. Yes,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Like it was so refreshing to be like they didn't
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: have that sitcom quibble bullshit of like my wife is
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: annoying and my husband's ow knucklehead. The Adam's Family is
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: a show.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It's a sexy show, and if you take out Mortitian Gomez,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: there's no more sexy. And I'm not interested. I'm not interested.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: After he didn't like the Wednesday at show.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: After all of that, after everyone threw their fits over
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: what's her name and what's his face playing Mortician Gomez?
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, Catherine Zada Jones and who's the guy?
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I don't I never know his name, but I was
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a huge Catherine Zada Jones rom com fan as a
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: child too, because again, it was supervised.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I love her. She was amazing in high fidelity. Yes.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Also, this Mermaid's movie has the sexiest soundtrack I've ever seen,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and I'm is this movie why I know everywhere to
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Peggy Lee's fever?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Oh excuse me, Angelica Houston? What what did didn't Catherine
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Zada Jones play.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Morticia in the New Wednesday movie show Got It?
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay in the movie with Christina Ricci. Yeah, and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Angelica Houston Also, oh yeah, the soundtrack slaps sorry to
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: keep details.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: So I am literally convinced that my mom did use
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: this as a blueprint to raise me, because there's nothing
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: that my mom loves more than to throw a bunch
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: of frozen advertisers in the oven and be like, it's
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: fun dinner.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I even made a dip. Oh that's cute, I do.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I hmm, that's interesting. My mother was very We sat
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: down at a table, we had a meal, like that
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: family that Christina that Charlotte stumbles upon because the car
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: runs out of gas. Finally, I was like, that's my family. No,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: like my mom was. My Mom's not America Cock.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: It's like the thing, like she's not an all cock,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Like she she dries her best, but then like diet
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: culture gets the best of her, and then she'll be like,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: what about California califlower crust pizza, And I'm like, no
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: one fucking wants that.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: That's like, no one wants it. I don't want squash spaghetti,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: want real spaghetti.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I do, Okay, I do love squash spaghetti, and I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: do love those things, but I also love I feel
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: like zucchini lasangnia is still a nod to tell you
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: you know, it's still just not as heavy. But I
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: do love to make lasagna. I make my sauce from scratch.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Also my mom.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: One time, my uncle made fun of me in the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: car because I didn't know that it wasn't normal to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: sing every time a song was playing.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Like what, It's totally normal to sing every time a
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: song on the.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Radio in the car, and my uncle and my aunt
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: are very silent people, and my cousins are little. Because
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: it's my mom's youngest brother and he's driving me back
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to either my house or he picked me up to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: take me to my grandma something.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: It's a long.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Car drive, and I unconsciously am singing every song I
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: know to the radio because that, like is who doesn't
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: do that. I do it at the grocery store. Yeah,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: because and like that kitchen scene at the end was
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: when Showtime decided that my picture needed to be shitty,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is my favorite scene Showtime together
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: because that's how one year my mom bought me for
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Christmas the Horse of a Different Color album from Big
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and Riach because it had that song save a Horse,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Ride a Cowboy. Again, I'm like twelve or thirteen, and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: my mom's like, you know what our favorite song should
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: be as a family, Save.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: A horse Cowboy. I mean it's something grind advice though
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: depending on the cowboy.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: She's like, and we knew word for word the entire album.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: She bought it because she thought that it was funny
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that I knew all the words to that song and
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: it made my damn dad. She always taught me all
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: of the words to meet Low's Paradise at a debt
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: by the dashboard lights. And then my grandma got embarrassed
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: when I performed it at a cousin's wedding.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Wow, the DJ.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Noticed that I knew all of the words, so he
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: just handed me a microphone. Why not take the microphone?
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: And again I'm a thirteen year old singing about like
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: seventeen year olds fucking by the light of their dashboard
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: in a car.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: You know what. There we did do karaoke one time.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: What's that Charlie x x X song. I can hear
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: it in my head. That's not novel to you. But a
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: little girl got on stage and was basically like singing
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: a song about how she wanted to like.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think kids and everyone literally is everybody, but
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: this is like an eight year old, so like in public,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: so like it's.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Like one of the only karaoke places in town. So
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: everyone in the room just got quiet and like really uncomfortable.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: You don't I'm a twelve year old who can perform
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Paradise by the dashboard lights, beat by beat, surprisingly at
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: your cousin's wedding, unless you were an eight year old
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: performing that song in the car. The difference here is
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that you were in like controlled environments.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: This was in a very public way. Don't take your
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: kids to bars, and it was it was a bar,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and I was like, how are they getting away with this?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: And then it turns out that before ten it's all ages.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: After ten you have to be over twenty one, so
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the mom brought the child in before ten and the
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: person that I was with ironically, and I say ironically
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: because you're just kind of like, but you actively cheat
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: on your husband all the time, but you're uncomfortable with this,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: with this the eight years whatever in her blitz. Yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: like she was so upset that she just would like
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: start just like talking. Oh oh my, it was not
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: It was not a fun night.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Also, my mom stressed me out too much that I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: don't learn to drive until I was seventeen. Oh, I
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: was nineteen, And I wrote down, I was like, shall
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: we share our learning how to try drive? A trauma
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: because my dad let me drive into a ditch and
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: then tell me like a really deep ditch that's like
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: a deep forested ditch. He let me turn into a ditch.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Didn't try to be like, hey, Nanley, it's a little wide,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: or hay, Nanley, you're cutting the curb a little close now.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: They just sat there silently, Oh, allowed me to like
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: get the car like this into a ditch and then
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: proceeded to tell me figure it out, because.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Well I was in here. No, that's not how you
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: teach somebody how to do something so they can figure
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: it out when you're not there. Yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I burst into tears and got out of the car.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I burst into tears and I got out of the car,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and I was like, we're not that far from home.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I'll walk, Honestly, that's not I'm not okay with that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: That's really upset.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: So then it was my mother's turn to teach me
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: how to drive, because my father made me cry one
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: too many times. So then my mom was the opposite
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: of share where she wanted me to be signal lean,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: like two miles ahead. She'd be like, do you see
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the car?
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Do you see?
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, all of those cars are parked, Mom,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: we haven't loved the subdivision. I immediately just stopped. I
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: was like, I just won't drive.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: See. So my parents didn't even bother. They just hired
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: somebody to teach me how to drive. Oh.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I took Driver's ed because I think you have to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: in Indiana to get your license, you.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: If you're under a certain age, if you're under eighteen,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: you have to do behind the wheel training with a
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: professional company. I don't know about other states though. And
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: then my parents over eighteen. I was over eighteen when
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I got my and my parents were still like, we're
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: hiring somebody to teach you how to drive.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Honestly, they should have called one of my uncles, call
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: one of those clear headed Croatian men to come and
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: spend the weekend with us and teach me how to drive,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: because they have taught everyone how.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: To drive at eight years old.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah in cornfields, Yeah, vacant parking lots. So call one
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: of them up and just like, can you sit in
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: the car with family? While she cries, beg, I'm the wheel,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: un tells her it's gonna be okay. Then my family,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: then my family is inconvenience that I don't know how
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: to drive. So then at every family function they bring
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: it up. Can you believe this? One old maid over
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: here refuses to learn how to drive and go because
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you guys are traumatizing.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate that.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe we shouldn't let sixteen year olds learn how to drive,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: like it just feels very volatile for all of us
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: and in.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Every state, right because Ohio, you had to be old. Well,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is still true. Oh no,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: New Jersey, I don't know if this is still true.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: But when we were visiting Ohio for a family event,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: because I have family in Ohio and my cousin's from
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: New Jersey, like we all came in. So my cousins
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: from New Jersey were annoyed because my brother could get
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: as permanent fifteen and they were like, we can't do that.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: We had to wait until seventeen because of like some
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: state law or something I side with that state.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe like the age of you know, consent and all
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: of it. It should just be twenty five.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Should I ever tell you this story where I was
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: at a bar one night for a private event. There's
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: like seventy five people there, and three or four of
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: us were like eighteen or nineteen. We were over We
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: were legal adult age when we got a driver licenses.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: So they did a casual poll how many people have
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: a dui? Literally everybody who had their license at sixteen
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: has had a DUI. All of us who did not
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: get our license until adulthood were like, we're cool if
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: we didn't have a DAL isn't that crazy? That is crazy.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: It's because you've been driving too law and you're too comfortable.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: And then the reputation, because this movie deals greatly into
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: how one thing will make your reputation just go off
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: the rails. Then the reputation in my family became that
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I was the bad driver because I didn't like practice it.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And then it's like, anytime you have a kerfuffle in
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the car is because you're the bad driver. Yeah, so
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: now I refuse to drive people places because I was like,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you know, i'm get in the car with me, I'm
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the bad driver.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I always preface it with things like even though my
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: parents maybe do behind the wheel, my dad was the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: bulk of the like, let's get in the car and
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: practice because you have to have so many hours before
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: they let you take your license test, right, Yeah, And
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: so now when people get in the car with me,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I'm always like, cop taught me how to drive, let's go,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: and you're at your own risk.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Also, during my driver's d test, during the driving portion,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: it came to they told you sometimes you have to
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: parallel park, and sometimes there's not time for it, so.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: They don't make you do it. Yeah, mostly you wouldn't
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: have to.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I try, and then he was like, oh, look a
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: perfect place to parallel park. No me and I just
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: looked at the man and I was like, Hi, I
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: need you to know that my parents chose to not
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: teach me how to parallel park because they're selfish and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: could you just walk me through it? And I still
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: can't parallel park to this day. I have a backup camera.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: People make fun of me. They're like, Nambly, you should
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: be able to parallel park. You have a backup camera
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: with a backup camera, I don't. I don't use mine.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I only use my backup camera.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: To make sure I'm like, like I can stay where
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I'm at once I've like positioned myself.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Also, so the purity complex in this movie, so like
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Wenona Ryder is on her way to sainthood Virgin Madonna
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: until her mother was like, I don't care if you
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: fucked that twenty six year old.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I write wrote down yeah, because I didn't know he
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: was twenty six. I thought it was like sixteen Candles
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: where he had just graduated. Only he is a full
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: ass adult. He's had an entire living girlfriend, yes left down, yes, yeah.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Who's so you know? And the rumors around his living
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: girlfriend did he get her pregnant? There might be a
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: little Joe Junior running around and that gets in her
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: head and then that aids that contributes to her like
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: psychosis about being pregnant, and.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, share, maybe we cool it on having
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Winona be so like happy and gun ho and kind
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: to the wreck close who work every job in town
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and yet cannot speak to anybody.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, the original sad Boy.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you should fall in love with a
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: sad boy because the sad boys aren't sad anymore because
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: you make them happy.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm always gonna call him Jake Ryan. I honestly
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: didn't realize he had done I thought he had only
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: done one movie. Like I knew he had done like
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a handful of movies, but I thought that Sixteen Candles
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: was his only like big one. I'm not saying that
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Mermaids is a big movie.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone but me could honestly walk into
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: a room and be like, let's discuss the plot of Mermaids.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It's just a movie that my mother loved and therefore
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: we watched it all the time.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And I do love this movie, and.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I do think it like really highlights the complexities of
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: like women living together in general. Yeah, and the way
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that women are pitted up against one another. I thought
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: she I was like when she was putting on her
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: mom's makeup and dress or whatever. I was like, does
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: she try to fuck Lou? Is that where this movie
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: is going? And I just forgot does she try to
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: fuck Lou? Because I go ahead because her mom kissed
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: uh Joe Joe, And I'm like, we don't need to
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: up the ante by trying to get Lou to molest you.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, please don't. I really don't want
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Lou to turn into some kind of bad guy because
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: he's such a good guy. And I really like, Okay,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: So when Shriff freaks out about how close Lou is
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: getting to her girls, that's such a real moment because
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: you get so comfortable and used to the environment being
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: just you and your children that anytime somebody else sort
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: of gets involved it obviously it shifts the dynamics and
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: all these things. But there's a real fear because like,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: will your kids be honest with you if they don't
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: like this person? Right? And and you know, here's the
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: scene where they're where he does this amazing incredible thing
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: for these girls building like the underwater or whatever, and
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: they're just currently in yes, and they're just having this
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: like there are bio dads who aren't even that good,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: you know, and so shared picks a fight with him,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: and it just it breaks my heart. But also at
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: the same time, it's like self defense in a way,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: because what's his emotional investment? These aren't his kids. He
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: can pick up and leave because if her, the people
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: who gave her these children, can pick up and leave,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: then a man who didn't, who isn't really biologically can
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: pick up and leave.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Well. And I'm sick out who grew up in stranger
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: danger culture. So my first thought when a guy gets
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: attached to my single friend's kids is like, what's your
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: fucking deal so attached to my friend's kids?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Right? I mean, we weren't even allowed to spend the
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: night at friends homes if mom and or dad had
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: a live in boyfriend and or like slash or girlfriend.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Like that's how serious my parents were about like stranger
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: danger and like how close it is to proximity of
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the person who does do harmful things to children because
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: everyone thinks it's gonna be some like some guy in
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: a vada off of the street. Yeah, but it's really
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: just like it's like an uncle or someone's boyfriend or
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: school bus. And then so that was like a thing
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I had to like work through myself when I became
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: a parent, because then it turns into like all I
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: heard when my child was very, very young, all I
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: could hear is my parents, well, and they were actively
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: saying this shit. It wasn't just like it stopped because
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I grew up. It was like, now you have a
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: beautiful child, so here we're gonna remind you of the
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: horrors and dangers of the world and the things that
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: could happen to him. And You're just like, I need
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: all the noise to stop so I can know, so
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I know how to manage and navigate this, please, because
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: parenting is hard enough as it is.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I like throughout the entire movie because uh,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: what's his name Gil?
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: What's his name? Lou? Because Lou is Gil.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Joe Josephen that fucks Wanona Lou, because Lou is such
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: a gem. I just kept reminding myself, like, we know
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't turn out to be a creep. We
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: know that he doesn't turn out to be a creep.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: He is a very nice man. Thank God that we
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: already know that he's a very nice man, Because had.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: We have made this.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Movie in the millennial age, I bet you, it would
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: have been a back to school special about how moms
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: will boyfriends are creeps?
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we can never allow four men? What is
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: what is? I mean? I understand you know, you actively
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: are in the camp of all men are trash. I
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: recognize and understand that. I also find it very frustrating
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: that we have very few positive male representation roles in media,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: because you know, it's like, why can't we have more
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: of that? So that way, it's like, because if we're
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: learning how to behave from pop culture and were there,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: so were they? So if all they're seeing is violence perpetuated,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: then like what is like that's not having a positive impact.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: We need more lose in the world. Yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: No, I remember having two the two guys off of
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Well JD has a new podcast now, But when JD
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: and Goes came on my podcast, like we were talking
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: about pop culture in reference to like what women did
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: you have crushes on when you were a kid from
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: pop culture and what did that make you think that
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: like dating women was going to be? Like because I'm
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: thinking of like Heidi from tool Time, and like like
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: we grew up in a ridiculous age of just like
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: sexualizing women because someone's gotta so the men turn tune
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: in and we make money, right, And I remember just
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: being like, well, how do you guys feel about how
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you're portrayed as like lantures in the fucking like every
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: teen show has some creepy boy up against the locker
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: pushing it a little too far.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what did they say?
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, ever revisit We would just have to
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: revisit that episode. But I do, like, again, I will
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: always say that the patriarchy and misogyny is everyone's problem.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: It's just not my problem. It's men's problem. Scared of
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: men because I've been conditioned to be scared of men
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: because my go to is you're scary, right, it's it
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: is harmful for everybody, and that's the thing. And the
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: men who do.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Want who are different in want different things or changing,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: who don't fit the norm of the patriarchy are you know,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: victims too of harassment and ridicule. And that's just not
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: okay because it needs to be. It needs to be. Oh,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: it just needs to be okay for all of us
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to be varying degrees of whatever because the system doesn't work.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: The system shouldn't require that share has to be a
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: woman who needs to jump from man to man to
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: man to survive.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Also, I think that she was way out of left
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: field or cold hearted, or that she even treated lou
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that badly when she was like when she had that meltdown,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: and he's like, you're cold and all of this, and
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: like you never even think about us. I go, I
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: feel like we're just demonizing share right for literally being careful.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Women aren't in the luxury of being careless, but we're
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: also not given the luxury to be careful right right.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: It is hard because you do have to sort again,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: you have that in your mindset of men are bad,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: they're going to touch your children inappropriately. How do you navigate?
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: And sometimes people don't want to wait to find out
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: whether or not you really aren't a harmful person. Like
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I've put in all this work, Why are you? Why
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: are you still resistant? It's like it's not resistance, it's
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: getting comfortable. Like take it can take people thirty fucking
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: years to realize their parents shouldn't be a part of
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: their lives. I'm allowed to take a long time to
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: figure out whether or not I want you in my life.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: No kidding to ridaniculous I was like, I really don't
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: think that Shares acting left field out during this entire
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: movie at all. I go, She's pretty chill about the
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: kid wanting to be a nun. She takes the little
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: one to swim practice all the time, even though it's boring.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: She goes to the fucking Baseball Hall of Fame. You
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: think I'm going to the Baseball Hall of Fame.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: No, I want to go to the Baseball Hall of Fame.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: You told me that they took down the peaches stuff,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: So what am I gonna look at at the Baseball
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame?
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sorry, I still want to go.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: I grew up watching baseball.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Like they took down the shit i'd care about. Yeah,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: it was a special exhibit for those special four years
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that we let women play baseball. But yeah, it's just
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: And then, I truly think, because I was thinking about
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: it today, I was like, why did Share just sign
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: off with her dating Joe? And I was like, I
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: don't think she meant to. I think she saw that
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Winona writer got like a little antsy and her pansy
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: over Joe, and she was like, now would be the
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: age Charlotte where we could talk about you dating.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think she gave her the.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Green light go fuck a grown man in a bell tower.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think that's why she kind of she
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: leaned into the kiss like as a as a because
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: she never, like you said, she wasn't really giving her permission.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: It was more of like, I'm teasing you because you
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: have some feelings in your pants. And I think that's
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: why she kissed him, because it was more of a
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: we know that you shouldn't. We both know that you're
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: not gonna do anything. But that was after right?
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Was that after no, that's the New Year's Eve kiss happens?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: And then went on a and then Charlotte declares war,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: yeah missus Fletcher. Is that the only caller by her
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: or last name? Yeah, missus Flax.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: So anyways, I and I was like, oh my gosh,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I go, this is why you have to be careful
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: about what you say to kids, especially a kid who
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: has taken every word of the Bible as truth. You
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: can just look at a kid and be like date Joe,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I dare you? Because then that yeah, like fine, mommy
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: said it was fine. I can fine and not understand
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: the new one. And she hasn't you know, for better
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: or worse.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Her social skills are probably not the greatest because they've
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: moved around a lot, so she probably doesn't understand the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: teasing of like, you think this boy is cute, I'm
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: gonna dare you, dare you?
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I dare you to do something about it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I triple dog dare you.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I triple dog daren you. Also, I would love to
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: have the attitude of that one girl who is in
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the bathroom just giving like graphic play by play.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. I was like, I was like number one,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: this is.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Like the sixties, the early sixties.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I was like the gall of this.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Young girl just in the bathroom just be like and
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: then he moaned, and I loved it. I was like, oh,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: You're the reason why all of these girls.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: And then so the drowning, So Charlotte's hooking up with
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Joe Jake Joe in a tower because she's drunk on
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: hooge just like her mama, dressed like her mama, and
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: no one like I was a visceral like sexy sex
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: sade and I'm like, oh, I was moral graphic.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Yes. I couldn't believe how much they showed. And then
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, how was it? Why not a writer
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: when they filmed this movie? So I had to look
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: up what year she was born and then kind of
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: do the math of like, okay, so maybe they filmed
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: in eighty eight eighty nine, so she was technically an adult,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: but she's playing a child.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And Katie drowns, little kid also drunk on hooch.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I love in the fifties, sixties, and seventies. Your kids
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: just accidentally got drunk and no one knew.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, my lights are.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, my lights are doing weird stuff today too.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I have house cursed or something. I don't know.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I think electricity is weird and volatile.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: No wonder everybody was scared of it over one hundred
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: years ago.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Good lord, the lights just went out on their own.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: And then I'm a one of like, oh the power's out. No,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the powers got out because my ring lights still long. Yeah.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Oh but that's yeah, that's plugged into the wall. Whatever.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Who knows. I'm gonna turn on a backup light just
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: in case it happens again.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: So Katie drowns because she's also drunk on hooge. Because
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: no one's monitoring children.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: It's the sixties and the and the nuns, these beautiful
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: pure nuns who just like get her out of the
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: river or whatever. Here's the thing. I was confused on
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: how the nuns knew she was there.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I think one of them had a lantern. Maybe they
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: do night rounds.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I was wondering. I was like, do they do night patrols? Like?
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Is that?
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know what nuns do?
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: What do nuns do all day? Don't do do nuns
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: do all day? Maybe it was moonlight prayer time or something,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: and they were walking from different points of the monastery, convent, convent.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Well she called it a monastery.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: She called it a monastery.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I don't know how they're different. A
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: monastery is monks. No, oh, maybe she called it the
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: convent then, but I don't know.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I had to block because of trauma.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: So anyways, these beautiful nuns get Christina and reach you
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: out of the river. And my only note of this
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: traumatic drowning scene is, oh God, Charlotte is always going
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: to connect sex to this awful moment in her life,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: and she will never have an orgasm primed for becoming
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: a nun.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she will.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Never have an orgasm, this poor poor kid because all
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: she knows and what else? Oh, it was Dimension twenty.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: So Dimension twenty is currently doing scary fairy tales for
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: their campaign and Emily Ashford is playing Little Red riding
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Hunt and she made a point last week or the
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: week before, I don't know. I rewatched a bunch of
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: them this weekend to re up on my knowledge of
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: what had actually gone on. But she made the point
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: to saying that, like, well, yeah, when adults were in
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: the fairy tales, it was get married happily ever after.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: When the kid was at the center of the fairy tale,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: it was you fucked up, here's your punishment. Yeah, it's
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: cautionary tale. It's a cautionary tale. Pinocchio lied once and
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: had to be a donkey, like because Pinocchio also had
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: that meltdown where he's like, Pinocchio would like to know
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: why other people can make mistakes and that's fine, and
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: there's forgiveness and grace and whatever, and then whenever he
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: makes a mistake, literally we're getting eaten by a whale
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: or I'm turning into a donkey, or my dad was
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: getting hurt, like and then you got Emily over here
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: playing little Red riding hunt and she's like, no, it's
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: for me too, like I made one mistake and now
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I am awarewolf like none of this makes sense or
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: feels right or true. And she's like, I've just decided
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: that all of the grown ups are wrong and the
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: morals are wrong and fuck all of it. And I
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: was like, I kind of like that.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I do too.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I do too, because think about like there's such a
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: grayness to the term ron right correct that like and
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: then we and then you have poor Charlotte with this
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: like very Catholic mindset of sin means Hell avoids sin, right,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: And now she's like, now she gets to grasp on
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: whether or not God will still love her or even
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: if she's like because now I'm like, well, God, who knows.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Like maybe she moved on to Greek mythology because she's like, well,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: God's gonna beet with me, so I guess I'll just
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: move on to the next on.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I think your point highlights really well just how subjective
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: right and wrong is. Yeah, because what's right and wrong
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: in Christianity isn't always true in other religions, As we
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: see unfold with Roe V Wade being knocked down in
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: the Jewish community spearheading. It's you know, challenging that. And
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: aside from that too, like there's what's the movie with
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Dave Batista coming out?
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see that real bad knock at
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: the door or something not something like that.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, I've seen the trailer several
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: times because you get hijacked in the movie theater and
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: you get forced into it. And again that's also a
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: thing where it's like, you know, his whole thing is like,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: we have to sacrifice one of you for this thing
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: to happen. So in their minds, that's what's right, that's
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: what's right. But in my mind, I'm like, sacrificing is bad.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Please don't sacraze a human life, Like Jenny and Georgia
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: also struggle with that, and then like what's his name?
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: What's the dad's name? The hot dad's name? Zion Zion's new.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Girlfriend is like, well, the reason why I can be
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: a defense attorney is because right and the law is
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: usually gray and sometimes there are circumstances, Yeah.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: There are. I mean I hate the whole concept of
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: like you must follow every law to the tea well,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: for my community, the black community. That meant we weren't
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: allowed to vote until the middle of the twentieth century.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: So if people had satisfied and just quietly abided by
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: those laws and restrictions, black people would not have the
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: right to vote in the way that we do today.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: So she's when people talk about following the law, you're
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: just like I always tell my kid, follow the laws
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: that are right, or follow the laws that makes it
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: unless if no, that's not what I say, I say,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: follow the law unless it violates your personal rights.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: In the very this is their very first campaign where
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: it's like, you don't even know if you're going to
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: get a following following or a fan base or whatever.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: And people usually like keep a ready clean, keep a
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: pretty cut. Brendan Lee Mulligan made a character say out
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: loud and remember kids, laws are just for the weak willed,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: and it's how the government.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Keeps you down. And I was like, oh, I love
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I love.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Brendan Lee Mulligan is the original feral rebel of my soul,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Like I will live my entire life as feral.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: As he asks. I love that. I love that, but
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: it does it doesn't make this And I don't think
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: it makes it complicated. A lot of people want to
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: say it's complicated, but I don't think it truly is,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: because I think if all of our needs are met
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: as humans, shelter, food, you know, transportation is a basic
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: right now, because you know, nobody lives within walking distance
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: of anything anymore, right, medical care, you know, that kind
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: of stuff. So if all of our basic needs are
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: being met, people generally can live in harmony. It's when
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: you peel back the layers of oppression and realize, like
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: people's needs aren't being met in such extreme degrees that
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: sort of breede these sort of quote heinous behaviors. Because
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: now it's like, we why I have to survive? So
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: if my only.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Real life A'm not using my good camera, oh we's see.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Well, let's see. So like if my only means of
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: survival is selling drugs, you know, or I could go
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: to McDonald's and make fifteen dollars an hour if you
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: fundamentally know, fifteen dollars an hour is not enough money
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: for a person to live and survive in this country.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: So like, if I can make one hundred and fifty
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: k selling drugs or work at McDonald's, because it's quote honorable,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: but it's also not because people who work at McDonald's
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: get to mean all the time at McDonald's. Not that
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I would actually sell drugs because I'm terrified of going
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: to jail. But I've also lived, you know, in a
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: privileged state because I had the choice of being able
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: to have jobs and that are quote respectable. But what if,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: my folks, I'm the daughter of a black man, what
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: if he had never left the Midwest? What if my
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: grandparents never left the South? What would my options be? Well?
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: And the thing of it is, too is like, scarcity
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: makes people violent. H and it's an even the idea
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: of scarcity makes people violent. Let's take it back to
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the pandemic, where people had an that
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: toilet hamer might not be available to them, which is the.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Most random item to hoard during a fucking pandemic.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: And then let's take it back to our childhood. People
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: got violent over whether or not their kid was getting
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: a Tickle Me Elmo.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what's crazy Home Economics. I don't know
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: if you watch that show, it's on ABC, it's on
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: after anyway, one of the characters children wanted this thing
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: because She's like, you did this amazing thing. I want
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: to reward you, blah blah, and he's like, cool, I
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: want this. So her very wealthy brother in law is like, oh,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: that's gonna be really hard to get. Let's figure this out.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: So they figure out where to find it, and he's like,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: you need to go now. The store opens tomorrow, but
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: you need to go right now to get in line.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: So she does, and in line, she learns nobody else
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: in line is there to genuinely own the product. They're
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: there to buy it, and then I scouge it online bread.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: That's the culture we've created intentionally.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: So the very idea of share kissing the one boy
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: that Charlotte has ever felt connected to, because now it
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: all hangs on him, like I'm giving up God, I'm
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: giving up religion.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: I'm giving Jake right before I found out he was
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: not a good guy.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: So she's hunted on him in one kiss when JFK
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: died and now her mother is taking away the one thing,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: so she immediately goes, I'll get fucking violent.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Yea, I will get fucking violent.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: I will take over your entire personality. Because it's scarcity,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: everything can literally be rooted back to why are we
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: anxious scarcity?
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Why are we depressed? Scarcity?
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah? When you have uncertainty in a lot of ways.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Where am I gonna sleep tonight? What am I gonna
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: eat today? How are these things gonna work on? And
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: it's for me. It's breaking that generational trauma. You know.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: I don't use that as a leverage with my kid
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: when he needs something. An incident came up a couple
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: months ago. He was parallel parking, tapped somebody's car. Yeah,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: tap somebody's car. People saw it, because you know, he
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: lives in Los Angeles, so it's pretty obvious. So he
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: left a note because that's what you do, and left
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: his number. I even know how long ago this was.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: He told me when he got home from winter break.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: So we're talking. This had to somewhere sometime last year.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Today he calls me and he's like, Mom, you remember
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: the story They finally reached out And I was like, well,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: that's bullshit that they took so long to reach out
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: to you. There's no damage. But then until they removed
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: this one thing, there's some damage and it's gonna cost
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: this much money to fix it. And it's like y'all
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: pay for it. And he was like, are you sure?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: And I was like yeah, because why am I gonna
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: have an eight year old kid who's never had a
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: job while he used to umpire, but still who's going
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: through Like I'm not going to put that stress on
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: you to figure out how to pay this. I have
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: the means to do it. I'm going to do it
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: so you can feel focused on your studies. And my
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: parents didn't do that for me. It was very much
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: like you did this, You fucking figured it out. And
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: it's like I ain't got no money, Like how do
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: I figure this out? Like? Are you gonna give me
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: a clue? Can I at least have like a map
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: to help me figure this out? Nope, figure it out.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: You're an adult, now, figure it out. I hate that mindset.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: It's so cruel because who's to say you're going to
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: figure it out in a way that's helpful to you
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: in the long run.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by any means necessary, I guess.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Right, Like I would rather give him the money than
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: he tried, because he you know what he's gonna do.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: He's gonna do something kind in return to me, for
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: me or for someone else.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Because again, when we're living in a community mindset. Everyone's
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: needs get met and then we don't have reasons to
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: punch one another.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: I did ask for you know, the what do you
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: call it? You know when they give you it's the quote.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: I did ask for a copy of the quote so
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: I could pay it. What is it called? Because I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: you know, like it's just whatever, whatever, like the situation whatever.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: But it's like, yeah, we're gonna handle it. I don't
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: need you to feel stressed out about this situation. I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: don't want you to come home and take my car
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: keys because you're so mad and pull a Charlotte. Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: I will say, for as much as women are demonized
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: through the script and the actions of this movie and
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: the way that Share and Winona actually act chemistry wise,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: there is like the absence of a mother body shaming
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: her child or like overly sexualizing her, or like calling
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: her a loser or a nerd or whatever. Like again,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Share wasn't that bad of a mom, right it was?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: You know. One of the things I think why your
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: mom probably loves this movie so much is because it
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: does have a vibe ot to it where you can
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: feel comfort and share in a way. Yeah, right, Like
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: the things that she teases Charlotte for are not things
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: that are things that are within Charlotte's control. Mm hmm,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Like you can't always control what you look like, genetic
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: just happens, and so you can't control what food does
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: to your body, right, and so for her to not
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: body shame her and just kind of like, you know,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: we're Jewish, right, like that kind of shit. I feel
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: like we would all be better off if, I know,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: if the focus was on building a relationship with your
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: child rather than trying to make them fit the mold
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: that you believe they should fit.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Well, And I don't believe that there's any reason to
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: believe that Share is no less of a good or
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: bad mom, because at the end of the movie, she's screaming,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: We're gonna do life my way because I'm the adult
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: and it's my life until it's your life.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Which is true. But I think the way she handles
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: it is in a way where it's like she's acknowledging
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: once you have control of your life, you can have
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: control of your life, right, Whereas I don't know about
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: your experience. I'm almost fucking forty and I still am trying.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I'm still somebody's still trying to control me. Yeah, their child. Yeah. No.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I thought that that was one of the more cathartic
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: parts of the movie, because I'm like, well, yeah, all
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: of our moms are just ladies who had babies. They're
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: just ladies like they weren't.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: It was a divine intervention.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a calling, it wasn't They are literally just
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: women who happened to also get pregnant.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: And we learn that Share wasn't that much older than
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: why no than Charlotte.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Share was your age when when you had your.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Baby, and that that makes a big difference. And in
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: the lack of knowledge that Charlotte has, we can only
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: assume that you know, uh, Share has even less knowledge
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: at that time, twenty years earlier.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: No, Kenny, she said, he made me feel special. For
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: about a minute and a half, I went, oh, I've
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: been there. Yeah, I have been there, And thank God
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I willed myself to never have a.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Baby, honestly, because it did because it is once. I
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: don't know, it's hard because we don't have conversations. We
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: don't have true and real conversations about what having a
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: family would look like and what that means for you.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: And if you want one.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: We just assume that doctor wouldn't even tell her what
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: the exam was going to entail before his I guess
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: it was gloved.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Who knows.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: It was a fifteen second like you know they I
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: heard the glove going okay, yeah, before his fingers were
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: inside of her, and I was like, well, whoa, I go. Also,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: we have to stop perpetuating this myth that there is
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: a physical aspect of virginity.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Virginity is fake. Yes, thank you, because he was like,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: oh you're still a virgin.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: I's like, you couldn't feel that, you couldn't feel that,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: you don't know, you don't know, get your hand out
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: of her.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: That was horrible, horror. Did you watch Fleischmann in Trouble? No,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: I haven't watched it yet. I'm going to, well, yeah,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: there's a similar her situation. Yeah, and it's horrible and
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: we should not be treating women this way. This is
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: why men shouldn't be gynecologists.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: You heard it here first, but like literally like didn't
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: even ask her why she was there, didn't any introduce
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: himself to anything, just like love.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: And she's like, why am I And she's just laying there,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: lays closed, doesn't understand why she had to get undressed,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Like no one's explaining anything.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: She was like, I literally just had two questions. I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: literally just had two questions.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even gives a fake name. Because again, back to
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: that reputation and what you do and how your reputation
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: reputation impacts your life well, and.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Back to share leaving every time the reputation thing was
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: gonna get a little bit dicey. Yeah, no one was
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: kind in the sixties. That still haunted me when I
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: left college to enter the workforce, where it's like, well,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll get a job around schools
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: here because because you know, your mom left a job
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the year and that's gonna follow you.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, maybe i'll change my last name, Like.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, I understand. I mean I gave my child my
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: last name for a reason. Yeah.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: It's one of those things where it's like small small
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: towns talk the most and then they blacklist you from everything.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: The fact that scher like was able to she should
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: never leave that town. She's got lou She's got a
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: whole group of like sassine women who are on her side,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: where like Mayge out with Joe, but also Mary Lou.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: We don't care. Yeah, yeah, I really Okay, just a
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: moment for Lou. I freaking loved when he first saw
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: her and he was just like, this is the most
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: beautiful woman. Cher is the most beautiful.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: She's fucking gorgeous, fucking gorgeous.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: But the way he's like dumbstruck with like her by
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: her charisma, and then he maintained like it doesn't go
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: away as he gets to know her, and even in
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: their fight, he still wants her and wants to be
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: with her.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: They're literal sparring, they're verbal like I was like, oh,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: this is why I pick fights. I pick fights because
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: I watched this movie and I was like, oh, that's
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: how you flirt. It's hot because like they're on the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: same page. Yeah, And I loved it. I love the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: way that they talk to one another. I love that
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: he tried to like he was gonna paint her and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: then she's like, you know you suck at.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: This, right He's like, yeah, I can tell you I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: was good. I liked it. The other part of what
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: I love about the relationship is she's not hung up
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: on the fact that she's a foot taller than him,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: and neither is he. He doesn't give a rats that
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: there's a height difference that she is. You know that
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: people are going to question whether or not they should
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: be together because if their physical differences. It is just
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: holy buckets. I find you attractive and she's like, I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: think you might be kind of cute too, and they
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: just go for it. It's like it's like a win
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: for everybody who just wants to be loved.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so cute, and we're in like peak share
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: cheekbone era where.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's so gross.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Just sucking it in that hair. I know my mom
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: trying to copy that hair.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: My mom wanted to be missus flex. I also think
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: that it's cute that out of one scene of all
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: of them being on the on all three women being
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: on the same page as something, that's what we named
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: the movie after.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's so cute. It's a great movie.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Did you like it overall? I didn't realized it was
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: your first time watching it.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I did actually really enjoy it, and it made
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: me nostalgic for a time when movie could just sort
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: of exist and tell stories in a way that didn't
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: have I don't know something else involved. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: I don't care if there's like another message or whatever,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: but I there's something about I've been feeling this way
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: for a while. There's something about the way I remember
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: the nineties being very comforting. And I don't know, do
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: you know what. There's a lot of shit in the
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: nineties that it was trash, but like I.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Know, do you know what? It put me in the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: mood for? Immediately I turned it off and I went,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: I wonder if writing in cars with boys is dreaming.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: I love writing out boys. I love that movie, so
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: that's right. I can't actually watch it with my kid
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: in the house because it triggers lots.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Of times for us.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: I love that movie.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: I think it is Drew Berrymore's best movie, hands down.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: And oh no, what I don't like that I've forgotten
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: her name, Brittany.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Just a wonderful movie that should be on our list
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: for this because it's so good.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: It's an adaptation of a book.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I know, I've never read the book. Murmurs feel Mermaids
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: feels like an adaptation of a book, but I do
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: not think that it is. It has a very book vibe.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: You know, and maybe that's what it is about the
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: nineties and even eighties films and everything prior to like,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: let's say, nineteen ninety nine. It's like there's a really
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: big shift in two thousand where it's like, after fifty
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: years of television, they finally figured it the fuck out
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: and changed the way it's done. Because there's still sort
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: of this like literary or like theater vibe that comes
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: from a lot of you know, things that have like
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: these really interesting what am I trying to say, there's
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: still a theater to a theater. There's still yeah theater,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: there's still to it, to the storytelling and the way
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: that it's presented to everybody. And yeah, they have a
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: lot of different scenes in a lot of different settings,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: but at the same time it still works because you
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: need these sort of anchor spots for the story to work.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: We are also fed so many of the same movies
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: over and over and over again.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: We're in the nineties.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: I felt like every time I was going to the movies,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: it was a different story.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a different cast. Even the remakes were
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: felt original, right, Like Father of the Bride felt original,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Parent Trap felt original, Like there's just this this dedication
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: to like, Okay, how do we take this and make
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: it feel like an experience for somebody.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: I can't think of, like the only movie I can
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: the only pair of movies I can even think, like
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Run almost so parallel is Anywhere but Here and Where
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: the Heart Is. But I'm like, I just think that
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: they both have Namly Porn and Ashley Jordan. I don't
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: even think that they have the similar stories. I just
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: think that you could buy them as a duo in
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: the d D set.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I always kind of put them together in my
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: head too.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: But then they even eventually in the in the later
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: two thousands, like remember remember we would have like several
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: years where accidentally the same movie would come out twice,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Friends with Benefits, Friends with That and no strains attached,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is the same movie.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: No one talked to one another.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I couldn't even tell Mila kuon is is
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: in one.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Friends with Benefits with Justin Timberlake. That's the one I
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: like better because one kind of yeah, it's the better one.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: And then what's no strains attached? Who's in that one?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Ashton Kutcher and Natalie Portman. I hate Ashton Kutcher. Sorry,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: he did a really good job. I just watched this
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: movie called is it called Vengeance? It was written by
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: j Noback. I thought he did a really good job
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: in that film.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: I just find him very obnoxious, which I guess is
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: this whole stick. I did love Butterfly Effect, though I love.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: Hot It's been ages since I've seen Butterfly Effect.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Oh does it not make your cut for being too scary?
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: It's supposed to be scary.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: I know. Well, so I think I cut off scary
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: stuff around two thousand and four. Well that's not true.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: As my child grew, my tolerance for things that are
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: intense and scary decreased. Okay, Like we went and saw
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: The Departed. His father and I were together at the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: time when that film released. We saw like a six
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: o'clock showing girl. I did not sleep for a week
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: after that movie. All right.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Also, I found it very I'm ready to wrap up.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: What was your comfort level with this movie overall?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: I would say I'm very comfortable with it. And it
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: has a good wintery afternoon vibe to it, so it'll
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: probably make it into my rotation of winter movies. I
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: love that, Yeah, I do do. I love that it's
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: very much like women are kind of trash. No, But
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: at the same time, there's summer. There's so much redeeming.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: There's so many redeeming qualities about it that you can
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: excuse the fact that whoever wrote the story hates women. Correct.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: I am also still very comfy with this movie, despite
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: the fact that a teenager and an adult have an
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: inappropriate moment in a bell tower. I wish I would
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: have never have caught the line where they said he
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: was twenty six. I physically wrote that down I go.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: I wish I had never heard that line.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: So the writers were the writer is Patty Dan and
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: the who wrote the novel it is a novel. Look
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: at you. I'm gonna have to get it. We need
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: to read this in our book.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe I would love to know more about sharing this movie.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: And then June Roberts wrote the screenplay, but Richard Benjamin
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: was the director. And you know, I have that theory
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: along that I adopted for my friend that if a
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: woman writes the screenplay and men often don't execute it
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: in terms of like being them bored.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: But I also think that if you add if I
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: was a mother watching it with my twelve year old
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: much like my mother did with me, I would have
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: had a conversation with twelve year old men to be like,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: you know that share didn't mean that she was going
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: to sign off on one Nona dating Joe, like we
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: need because my family is also a very sarcastic family,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: So it's like, we need to understand the difference between
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: sarcasm and teasing and us giving you the green light
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: to something.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: And I think if it was a email director, she
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: would have done a better job at offering direction to
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: make that clear for the audience. Yeah, because I don't
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: think a man's gonna understand that, because men just think
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: women are conniving and sexual and will do anything to
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: get ahead, when really they hold all the power. So
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: that's how we have to behave sometimes.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: And I think that, like there is still a conversation
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: to be had when it comes to Charlotte in Joe's relationship,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: where it's like, do you see how easy it is
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: to pin? My mom used to use paradise by the
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: dashboard lights as that lesson for me. We would get
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: to the part where he's like and now I'm praying
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: for the end of time, and she turned the radio
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: down and she'd be like, what did we learn? We
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: learned that they'll tell you anything to get you naked
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: in their car, and then they'll even tell you that
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: they'll marry you, and then you'll make them marry you,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: and then they'll hate you.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I feel like share having that, and I
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: wonder if it happens more fleshed out in a book
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: where Chare sits down and is like, let's talk about
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: hanging in all of our hopes on one dude named Joe, Yeah,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: one very socially anxious said man named Joe Yeah, because
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: he is endearing, like he is, like he's he gives
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: me like quasi motive vibes even though he's like very
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: good looking, he's just so handsome. He's so handsome and
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: he's so soft spoken. And I probably also would have
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: tried to sit on his.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Lap on the bus.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: And other places and other places. I probably also would
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: have been like, you know what will make me feel
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: better about John F. Kennedy, Maybe Rudston piece you dick,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: you dick.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: It's like that scene in High Fidelity in the movie
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: where she at her dad's funeral. They have sex in
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: the car because she's like, I need to feel something
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: different and you're right here, so whip it out your
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: right hair.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: So I am still fine with saying that this is
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies because I think that you
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: can have all. Really, I don't think that we should
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: eliminate if anything's happening in movies. I think that's what
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: we've done, and that's why movies suck now.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Because there's no nuance to it. No, Like I don't
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody if we've forgotten how or
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: if we're scared to have the nuance because the internet
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: is so quick. The internet is so black and white
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: and so quick to say this is bad, this is wrong,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: you're awful, But no one's willing to have that conversation
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: of like, hey, maybe that's a nuance like the new
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: You People, the movie Kenya burs just released with Jonah
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Hill is getting dragged and I'm just like you guys,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: as the product of a mixed race couple.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: I just felt like there's a lot of things in
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: here that were great. I just really did so because
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: I think before the twenty six year old line, I
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: was like, well, what will we talk about because eventually
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: we're going to get to the point where there's nothing
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: to talk about when it comes to movies. That's why
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: I I think that Marvel does just enough of a
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: good job to make their villains a little bit in
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: the gray. So my brain still works hard during the movie.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: And that's why I sleep during the battles, because my
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: brain doesn't have to work hard during the battles.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can just take my marble nap in the
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: middle of the movie.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: I can just take my marble nap in the middle.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Civil War was on last night.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: You know that made me happy, So I'm still comfy.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: I hope that everyone puts Mermaids on their winter list.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: I forgot that all of the action happened on New
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: Year's Eve. I was like, why is this a January movie?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Literally, the climax of the movie, it's New Year's cee.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And it feels good. It feels good to
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: be a winter movie, like it has everything, and even
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: though it ends in spring, it's still you know, you know,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: we have the hope of spring towards the end of January.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: So I would love for People magazine to do one
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: of those weird like Reunited Spotlights on share Winona Writer
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: and Christina Ricci to talk about like how they feel
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: about this movie now, especially with it being Christina's first movie.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I'm surprised. I was surprised to
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: learn that I don't think they've ever done a movie
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: together since, and I've never seen them publicly together that
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: I can recall. So I thought that was very interesting
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: because you know how some people will make movies and
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: then they become friends for life and there's just all
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: of this like hoopla, and there's no hoopla around them.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: You mean, how like One Fine Day was so good
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: that Julia Roberts could only kiss George Clooney in movies.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: Michelle Pfeiffer. Wasn't One Fine Day, Oh it was Michelle Pfeiffer. Yeah.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: I always rewrite it as Julia Roberts.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: Because that's what you wish it was. I know. Uh.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: One Fine Day, though, is the reason why I think
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: a perfect movie is ninety minutes long.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: Well, because it is a perfect movie. It is that
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: movie is perfect. And I love movies. Carly and I
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: have had this conversation. She talks about how she loves
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: movies that take place in like a night or a day,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: and I was thinking about that after our conversation, thought,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: oh my god, actually I do.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: As well, because it's real tight.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: It's just mm hmm.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I yeah, because I thought that Wanona writer
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: and Chaer was the winning combo. Yeah, I was like,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: how did this never happen.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: At the again? Yeah? I mean tol Kinks and Meg
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Ryan were so good they did it again eight years later.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: Also, like Wanona and Christina Ricci. When Christina Riccie got older,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: well then Wanona was going through it. It was her time.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: It was her girl interrupted face. I will always stick
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: up for Wanana. We all go feral sometimes.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: That's like a movie, though Girl Interrupted is a real
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: good movie. Stealing is also just a crime because they
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: want to punish us for being poor. Well she was,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: she wasn't poor, but there was a different reason why
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: she was different reason and some but you need to
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: control yeah, like, and that's another legion, right, somebody should
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: have helped her instead of punishing her. But we don't
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: help me. Well, we just manish women, specifically women. How
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: dare we try and help women and improve our society?
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• 1:25:26
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm yeah, god, it was too when I owned it,
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  Speaker 2: it was two two h stapes And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: but we're trying to jump on that wagon of you know,
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  Speaker 2: try James fucking James Camera. He doesn't know how to
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: make a short movie, he doesn't know how to good movie.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: Given him money to make long ass movies. I'm your
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Avaitar was like, deeply offensive. I forget to which community,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: but like they're like.
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  Speaker 1: Don't be indigenous community.
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  Speaker 2: That's it, thank you. I was like, because I tune
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  Speaker 2: already know we hate. We don't like I'm a bad,
• 1:26:46
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• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: Who Ryan Murphy got you because he cried during the
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Emmys or something.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: He's he elevated all of the black and queer people
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: he worked with, who took twenty five years to get
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: any recognition in their careers. That got me, but you're
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: not wrong. He built his.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Career on taking the queer community and people of color
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: and the disabled community and making them side shows in
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  Speaker 1: his shows, like his old shows, I know, and then
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: being like, but it was historically accurate.
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  Speaker 1: am so curious to see I was in third grade
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: when Titanic came out, and I can't wait.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: To see if it holds up. I was so I
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: told Mario. He was like, oh my gosh, you're excited
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: about Titanic, E said, listen. I When I saw Titanic
• 1:27:57
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• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: was like, I love this movie because I had everyone
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: for Leonardo DiCaprio growing pains. Then all the basic gas
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: bitches at school came back and we're like, we love Titanic,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: and it's like, well, I'm not getting on that wagon
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: because I don't want to be anything like you people.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: I was the complete opposite. Everyone came back to school,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: you know, like I love Titanic, and I was.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: Like, my fucking dad won't.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Let me see it because they get naked once and
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: then I think you see anything, No, you don't. I
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: think you see your nibbles when he draws her, or
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: you see a drawing of.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: Drawing of Yeah.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: So anyways, catch us up for like ship nudity next
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: week in two weeks or still company, and we'll see
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: you tomorrow on the river court. And remember everybody, stay cozy,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: stay comfyo