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Ep 06 - [VIDEO] Building Better Kink Connections: All About the BeeDee App with Founders Pieter and Paul · The Kink Consultant

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  Hey everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of The Kink
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  Consultant. I'm your host, Amanda Dames, and
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  I am super excited to introduce you to two fantastically
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  interesting guests that I am so excited to have on the podcast
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  today. They are my first interview on
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  the podcast and I don't think I could have found a better duo to
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  bring on. I'd like to introduce you to the
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  duo who are launching BD app, which is a BDSM dating app based
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  on the BDSM test results that algorithmically pairs you with
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  people who are compatible to your kinks and BDSM needs extra
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  bonus. On top of that.
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  For the first time ever, we have the creator of the BDSM test
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  here today to talk about how he came up with the test and how he
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  worked to help launch the BD app.
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  So Peter and Paul, welcome. Thank you so much for joining me
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  today. Paul, would you like to take it
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  away? So hi, I'm Paul.
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  I am the creator of the BDSM tests.
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  I started this I think 11 years ago now as a small project,
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  project that I hoped would attract a few 1000 people.
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  But for some reason it went viral and people kept sharing
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  and sharing it. And seems now it's one of the
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  larger king size on the web. And one very common request from
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  users was all but we we don't know how to meet other kingsters
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  or I meet many other kingsters but none of them are my type of
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  kings is like Subs meeting mostly other Subs and vice
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  versa. And well, we thought, how can we
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  solve this because there's many dating apps on Tinder.
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  It's not like I can say, hey, I'm a dumb I'm looking for and
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  that's the fastest way to get you bond.
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  And that's how the ideas for BD started.
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  Amazing, and thank you for sharing, Peter.
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  Hi I'm Peter, I'm the Co founder and CEO of the company behind
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  the BD app. I've been working on BD for over
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  2 years now and I came up with the idea together with Paul when
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  I got into contact with Paul. I have a background in software
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  development and in entrepreneurship, and I got into
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  touch with Paul right when before I got made redundant from
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  my previous job. So I loved the Idi thought like,
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  hey, Paul and me are like the right people.
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  If anyone want should build such an app, it should be us.
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  And I had time on my hands. So I thought like, hey, let's
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  just run with it. I absolutely love that and I
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  know my listeners will feel the exact same because one of the
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  number one questions I get asked is how do I meet someone kinky
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  like me? And although you can technically
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  put really subtle hints on the other dating apps, nothing is
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  going to be as tailored as this. And for everybody listening,
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  that's BEEDE EE. If you're running to your App
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  Store or Play Store to try and find the app.
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  OK, well, let's get into it. As someone who has probably
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  taken the BDSM test a number of times.
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  And if you haven't taken it yet, head to bdsmtest.org.
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  I have taken the test a number of times, probably over I guess
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  the last 11 years. And I was super excited to find
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  out this app was coming out. For all of us who have taken the
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  test a number of times, we're curious what inspired you to
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  make the test this way? There are varying levels of the
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  test of you can just do a short version or a longer version
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  depending on if you already know you're submissive or dominant.
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  But how did the test evolve? What inspired it to start?
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  I think I saw a lot of people who started with PDSM but didn't
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  really know how to label themselves.
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  Like PDSM culture has this thing oh pick your label and there's
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  how many people a bit lost? Not knowing what labels meant,
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  not knowing how to identify, not knowing certain things existed.
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  The first version of the test was very basic one like how
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  let's see how dumb, how stuff, etcetera are you.
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  Now there were a few existing tests out there but all of them
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  were not very suitable in many ways.
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  Like some have the idea that it give you 1 result like oh based
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  on these questions you are a dumb or you are a switch.
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  Well the reality of VDSM interest is so much more fluid.
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  You can do multiple things at a time.
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  It's much less well defined than most other things that are
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  tested in these quizzes. Of what type of X?
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  And so that's why I made the assemblest in the way it is now,
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  where it gives you a fluid percentage of, oh, you are a mix
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  of all of these things in these proportions.
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  And I think that's the concept that people like so much about
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  it. Because in the beginning, I will
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  admit that the algorithm was very simple.
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  It was that most psychological tests, Oh, this quite, each
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  question has so many points, you sum them up and that's your
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  score. Now, of course, we all know that
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  that's not how it works. You have to start somewhere.
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  But over time, we had enough members to actually ask them
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  like, hey, so you're now in the same for a bit.
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  What are you actually? What do you think it fits now?
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  And that way we were able to improve the algorithm of the as
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  to what it is today. And it is amazing today.
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  And I agree, I think what really resonated with people is we are
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  more than just one thing, especially when it comes to our
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  kinks and the roles we play or the labels we take on in BDSM.
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  So I know what's always interesting for people who take
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  the app, and as a sex and relationship coach who
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  specializes in kink, I have all of my clients take it as a
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  foundational starting point of what they might be within the
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  kink world and what they might want to explore.
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  So it's a great test for newbies and seasoned kingsters alike.
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  What was some of the early feedback that you got in the
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  test that helped shape what it looks like today?
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  I think it gave me data about what things are common and what
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  things are less common. I can remember when I started
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  out, I got feedback like, oh why is BRAT not on there?
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  Oh why is primal not on there like primal?
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  What is primal even? Oh is that common?
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  I literally know nobody who it is.
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  Oh, apparently that's my folder. Is the local thing that locally
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  there are very few primal people at the time.
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  Some things get suggested twice and some things get suggested
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  500 times. That gives you a lot of data to
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  see what the right thing is to pull for.
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  It's not interesting to ask questions to determine if
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  something is a certain role if only one in 10,000 people
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  actually has any affinity for that.
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  So I tried to stick it to the common thing that lots of people
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  aren't do. Yeah, and I think it spits out a
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  result of like 30 different options, right?
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  Maybe more. 2520. 52525 different options of what people
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  could be. So there's like a large spectrum
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  there. Paul, you mentioned that
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  sometimes you'd get requested something twice or 500 times.
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  Have you found so far and early on in this journey that certain
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  areas of the world were more interested in specific kinks?
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  That's a very good question, and when I can't really answer
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  because it's only recently that I started asking people for
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  their location. Before that I always thought,
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  well, if there are differences, it's probably my task to make
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  this as universal as possible and try to find questions and
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  try to find things that work for everyone alike.
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  Recently these shifted. It's because we're so large now
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  that we have enough people in every part of the world to, even
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  if needed, to train a different algorithm for many of the local
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  communities. But this is a rather new thing,
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  so I don't have anything on the top of my head that I can share
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  for that. That's fair.
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  I mean, I didn't even realize that it was just new to ask
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  about location, but that makes sense.
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  And you've had over 50 million people take this test.
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  Have you been holding all of this information, people?
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  Can anonymize results, and if somebody requests to have a
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  result deleted, will do it. But by default the result is
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  completely anonymous, so it's not impacted by any privacy loss
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  when. Did you decide you wanted to
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  take this data and make a dating app with it?
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  Because for as long as I remember taking it, I always
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  included my e-mail address saying yes.
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  Let me know when you set up a dating app and the day has come.
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  I have had this plan for a long time, probably around 7 years by
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  now. And I've made various attempts
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  and every time it has stayed made it an attempt because
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  making a dating app is technically a lot more
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  challenging than just making a website.
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  And that has stopped me for a while.
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  And it was only recently that I had the opportunity to work with
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  Peter for a more intensive amount of time.
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  And then a few other people who happened to have contacted me
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  around the same time said, hey, you wanna you wanna still do
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  this? I want to help.
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  So we made a little team and we went for it and we thought, OK,
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  we can do this in probably a few months and then it still took
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  two years. But I'm happy that we finally
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  got her that. Sounds about like every
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  founder's story, but I have heard the dating apps are
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  extremely hard to build. Alone, I would never have been
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  able to do this. Peter is very much the
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  entrepreneurial type who sees an opportunity, who will take big
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  risks and so on. I'm more like my life is good.
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  If I can improve it by doing a fun project after work, that's
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  great. But the style of quitting my job
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  and focusing for a year on this thing that not really my style
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  of doing things that. Makes sense.
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  So luckily Peter enter the chat and was able to help bring this
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  to life. Peter, was it always your dream
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  to build a dating app? That's a good question.
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  It's been my dream for, gosh, at least 12 years to have my own
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  project, my own company and a startup that has the potential
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  to be a worldwide success. But I I never found like the
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  right team, the right moments, the right projects.
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  I always convince myself this is not the time or I don't believe
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  that I can be successful in this project.
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  By a matter of chance, this project came to me at the right
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  time, with the right people, with the project I believed in.
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  So I thought like, hey, if not now, then when?
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  So yeah, I went for it. Do you?
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  Remember the first time you took the BDSM test?
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  Gosh. That must have been ages ago,
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  probably like 10 years ago now. Were you?
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  Surprised by the results? Somewhat, but not really.
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  I remember the first time I took the BDSM test, I was really well
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  known with all the archetypes or all the types that are in there.
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  So just reading up on them and the types that I matched with
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  and the types I didn't match with.
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  The difference between a dominant and a master or between
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  a submissive and a slave, that was really eye opening for me.
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  Yeah. There are so many differences
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  within it and I felt the same way.
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  I recently took the test and I was surprised by how much more
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  submissive I was than prominent, and that's from someone who
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  identifies as a switch, so that was interesting.
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  I will say there are a lot of broad questions within the test
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  and I'm really curious. Are there questions that get
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  asked in the test that really help inform what answer comes up
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  every? Question that is asked will
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  influence the answer in some way, but.
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  Are there certain questions that hold more weight within the quiz
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  I. See, yes, yes, there are
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  definitely questions that are more quote code impactful than
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  others. For example, it's very obvious
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  which questions relate to let's say for your because it's about
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  watching things. But that also means there are
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  very few questions and every question will have more impact,
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  while questions that are more broad and generic, like I like
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  to dominate people in the bedroom, they will have a much
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  bigger impact on the overall outcome, but they will have a
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  smaller individual impacts per question per active when.
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  It comes to matching people together on BD.
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  Is there a proven correlation that brats and brat tamers will
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  get on Better I? Honestly think that if you're
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  not a brat tamer, you're going to have a hard time dating a
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  brat. So I think the proof of that, at
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  least in the people I know around me, that is a pair that
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  goes together very naturally so. People's results on the BDSM
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  tests are a combination of your 80% dominant and 60% Brett
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  Tamer. And we take that into account.
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  So someone who scores very high on Brett will match well with
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  someone who scores very high on Brett Tamer.
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  And we do this across the spectrum.
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  So for every combination of archetypes where your scores are
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  compatible, your compatibility will get higher.
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  And every pair of combinations that indicate, hey, this might
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  not be a great match contributes to a lower compatibility
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  percentage. It's a very complicated
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  algorithm, but in the end we think for most people it gives a
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  good indication of, hey, your sexual vibe, your sexual energy
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  matches well with each other or not so.
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  Earlier this week, I got a sneak peek at BD app and I was able to
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  download it and set up my profile and drop in previous
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  answers from a BDSM test that I had taken before.
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  And Peter, you and I are going to see how we would match up on
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  that app, right? So we're.
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  Screen sharing now. So here's my profile and
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  apparently, wow, we are at a 90% compatibility.
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  Is that high? That is very.
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  High We score everyone from zero to 100 in terms of
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  compatibility, so we just happen randomly to be quite compatible.
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  Amanda, we do hide people who are less compatible than 50%
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  with each other, so I had no idea what Amanda's preferences
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  were. So that might have been a
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  problem for this demo, but we just happened to be 90%
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  compatible. So yeah, that was easy for me.
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  If you're. Hiding people who are less than
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  50% compatible. This is not the app where
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  opposites might attract in terms of compatibility like we are
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  making sure. Except it's also the exact app
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  where opposites attract. A sub and a Dom are by
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  definition opposites. I guess so we.
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  Think privacy wise, it's a good idea that not everyone sees
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  everyone on BD. You need to be compatible with
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  each other to see each other, so we thought it was a good privacy
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  choice to not show low compatibility profiles to each
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  other, and it's very unlikely it would result in a match anyway.
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  That makes. A ton of sense.
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  I'm glad we were easily compatible so.
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  We do have a ton of optional information that you can add on
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  your profile. Not everything on screen is
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  mandatory to set up a profile, but Amanda has made a quite
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  complete profile on BD so sharing her smoking habits, her
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  drug habits, which. There are none for everyone only
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  listening in but continue her preferred.
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  Pronouns, what job she does, all of that.
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  We've seen all of the more open you are, the more matches you'll
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  get and the higher quality of matches you will get.
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  So we do encourage people to share a lot of on their profile.
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  But we also know that some people might be quite anxious to
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  try an app like this from a privacy point of view.
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  So we're one of the only dating apps that don't require people
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  to upload identifiable images of themselves.
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  We don't require people to use their real first name.
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  You just can't upload any nudity and you can't impersonate
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  someone else and you can't make commercial profiles.
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  But other than that, you can be. You can be vague, you can be
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  mysterious. We allow that on our app.
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  We welcome to those people. But what we've seen is that a
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  lot of people are comfortable with putting their real face on
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  there, with being quite open about who they are.
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  And we've also seen that that leads to more matches and higher
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  quality matches. And that's why we don't require
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  people to do it. But we do encourage it.
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  Yeah, there's. Definitely a benefit to being
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  able to show out. I mean, this attracts people who
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  are interested in it. And another thing I want to note
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  that I love about this app is in my bio I didn't feel pressured
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  to share much about kink at all because everyone on here is
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  kinky, so it allowed me to talk more about my other interests as
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  well. Yes, and 1:00.
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  Of the defining features of the BDSM test is if I Scroll down to
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  the bottom of your profile, your BDSM test results are on there.
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  So Amanda didn't need to tell me, hey, I'm 80% submissive.
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  I identify a bit as a row Bunny and I'm quite like the
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  experimentalists, which I'm not surprised by So she didn't have
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  to put all of that in her bio. She need to self describe that
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  because the BDSM test is automatically on her profile and
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  she knew if anyone wants to see my profile, the BDSM test
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  results are going to be on there.
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  So she didn't need to proactively say hey I'm kinky
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  and these are my kinks. Quite a bit of your kinks and
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  your preferences are automatically on your profile
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  through the BDSM tests and. That's amazing because honestly,
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  when I'm dating on other apps, when I'm with people, I'm like,
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  just let me know what they are. So this is a super helpful
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  feature to have on the app. And I find that you can't really
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  lie because for anyone who dates me, I swear I'm a good girl and
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  not a brat. But if you spend 10 minutes with
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  me, you understand I'm a brat. So there's no hiding with this
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  feature on the app. Amazing when people are swiping
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  through to try and find someone they match with.
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  Like that is the one experience I haven't had yet because I
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  haven't been using the app yet. But as a recently single gal, I
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  plan to be on there a lot as soon as it launches across the
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  US. I'm wondering how will I
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  interact with people? Will I be swiping to find
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  people? Will I be matched with people
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  automatically? How can I get people's attention
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  when I'm on the app? One of the.
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  Defining features about BD is that we don't want to encourage
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  the Tinder kind of swiping of 10 profiles per seconds, where
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  straight men just like every profile and straight women just
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  dislike almost every profile. So in order to make a choice on
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  a profile on BD, you need to scroll to the bottom of the
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  profile. So at least you've seen their
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  whole profile before you make a decision about it.
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  I. Love that.
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  It's like agreeing to terms and conditions.
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  You have to scroll to the bottom before you can agree.
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  That's amazing you. Also always see the BDSM test
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  results of someone. You see multiple pictures of
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  someone before you make a decision.
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  So maybe that might lead to you re evaluating your your choice
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  along the way. But we've seen that this makes
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  more thoughtful swiping and if there's a match, it leads to
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  higher quality matches. People are sick of being on
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  Tinder and on Bumble and getting a match and then either they
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  don't get a message ever or the message just says hi.
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  Yes. I can agree we are all sick of
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  that. It is a played out tired way of
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  dating. Yeah, so.
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  That would be a great plug to the screen you get on a new
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  conversation. But for that to happen we would
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  need to match so I can show that.
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  Have you already sent a like to my profile?
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  Not let me go do that right now. I just thought we kind of
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  matched while I'm doing this in real time, I see an X on the
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  left a heart on the right and are we gonna talk about the
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  button in the middle? I'm gonna like you first with
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  that green heart on the right, OK?
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  And. Then I'm gonna talk about the
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  three buttons that I'm gonna send you a like and then we have
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  a match and then I can show that screen as well.
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  All right, we're. I've liked you.
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  So we should be a match, no? Because I have not taken an
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  action on you yet. You're.
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  Going to though, I'm going. To all right.
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  You've seen my profile. Are we gonna be a yes or a no?
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  I scroll. Through your profile and I'm
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  faced with three options. The left one is to say I'm not
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  interested. The middle one is our VIP
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  feature. It's what all the dating apps
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  call a sometimes call a super like it's if you're super
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  interested in someone and want to skip the queue and make sure
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  that they've seen your profile and the green heart is to like
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  someone say I'm interested. I would like to match.
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  I would want to start the conversation with this person
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  and since we're 90% compatible, I think that's good reason to
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  send you to like your profile, right?
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  Amanda I. Completely agree.
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  Go for it. Let's go.
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  For it, we're a. Match.
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  Well, what do you know? Very much so.
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  One of the things we also do is if I want to start chatting with
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  you, we have this screen that directs people to not
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  immediately go into kink conversations to have respect
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  for people. It's not because someone scores
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  high on the BDSM test in the submissive category that you can
• 19:09
  treat them as your sub and that they have to follow your
• 19:12
  demands. So we showed this screen to tell
• 19:14
  people be respectful, get to know the person first, ask for
• 19:18
  consent. If you want to treat them as if
• 19:20
  they were your sub ask hey, is it fine if I treat you that way
• 19:24
  first? Because usually people if they
• 19:26
  don't know you, they're probably not likely to for you to treat
• 19:29
  them like that. That's.
• 19:30
  Usually the case, but I really want to point out that I love
• 19:33
  this. Make connection.
• 19:34
  This is not a sexting app. Get to know each other first.
• 19:37
  Don't ask for sex in the first few messages.
• 19:40
  Completely fair and it is what sets it apart because I feel
• 19:43
  like there are so many other places where you can find
• 19:46
  someone to sex. But this is for people who want
• 19:48
  to make a connection, yes. Absolutely.
• 19:50
  So although our compatibility is completely founded on the PDSM
• 19:54
  test, so we match people based on how sexually compatible they
• 19:57
  are, People should also then have a conversation to figure
• 20:00
  out, hey, are we compatible outside of the bedroom?
• 20:02
  Are we compatible on lifestyle? Are we compatible just as people
• 20:06
  talking to each other? We did build this app for people
• 20:09
  who want to build long term connections, who want to build
• 20:11
  meaningful connections, people who want to use.
• 20:13
  This app to find a hookup tonight will probably be able to
• 20:18
  but we did make the app with the people who want to build long
• 20:21
  term relationships in minds first.
• 20:23
  We did build our features in that way is the.
• 20:26
  App set up so that you can choose a long term partner
• 20:28
  versus of friends with benefits situation.
• 20:31
  Is that one of the things I selected?
• 20:34
  Yes. Yes.
• 20:35
  So if I go to my profile, well, maybe it's better if I show you
• 20:39
  while editing the profile, yes. So one of the things that we ask
• 20:42
  people to put on their profile and that we also take into
• 20:45
  account when suggesting people to each other is to select what
• 20:48
  relationship types they're they're open to.
• 20:50
  We want to match people who want a Poly relationship and people
• 20:53
  who don't want to do polyamorous stuff.
• 20:56
  We want to suggest those people less to each other and we want
• 20:58
  to make it. They're on the profile.
• 21:00
  Hey, this is what they're looking for.
• 21:02
  So you can immediately steer the conversation in that direction.
• 21:05
  You don't need to ask. I see it happening a lot on
• 21:08
  Tinder that people who are on Tinder looking for a serious
• 21:10
  relationship get the match. And then the match starts
• 21:13
  sexting after three messages and starts asking, hey, do you want
• 21:16
  to be my friends with benefits? So we avoid those let downs.
• 21:20
  We avoid those conversations by just putting it on the profile.
• 21:23
  Everyone has to make a selection and it's on everyone's profile
• 21:26
  and does. This contribute to the
• 21:28
  compatibility match the 91 percent that or the 90% we had,
• 21:33
  it does not. Contribute to the compatibility.
• 21:36
  The compatibility percentage that is shown is purely based on
• 21:39
  the BDSM test results. We do take it into account to
• 21:41
  choose which profiles to show when, so if you have at least an
• 21:46
  overlap in what relationship types you're open to, you're
• 21:49
  going to see each other's profile quicker.
• 21:51
  Amazing also. A small part of these is already
• 21:54
  implicit in the BDSM test results, right?
• 21:56
  Because things like monogamous versus non is one of the
• 22:00
  spectrums you're evaluated on very.
• 22:03
  True. And I noticed that what I chose
• 22:05
  here was really well aligned with what came up in my BDSM
• 22:08
  test. So you are already fully
• 22:11
  launched in Europe, is that correct?
• 22:13
  That's. Correct.
• 22:13
  We're launched in all of Europe. We have over 10,000 downloads on
• 22:17
  Android and over 2000 on iOS. And the app is running smoothly.
• 22:21
  People are chatting everyday, thousands of messages are being
• 22:24
  sent, hundreds if not thousands of matches are being made.
• 22:28
  So yeah, the app is fully launched in Europe and it's
• 22:31
  coming to the US now by the. Time this podcast airs, you're
• 22:34
  already going to have started launching across the US,
• 22:37
  correct? Yes.
• 22:38
  Correct. So we are enabling discovering
• 22:41
  other profiles in the Northeast coast on the 1st of September
• 22:48
  and on the 8th of September, the South part of the East Coast is
• 22:51
  following and then from there we'll gradually enable more
• 22:54
  states every week. Amazing.
• 22:55
  So you're going to do a roll out approach starting on the
• 22:57
  Northeast and sort of going across the US with that in mind.
• 23:01
  California, Washington, Oregon, you're probably going to be last
• 23:04
  and myself in Vegas too. We have.
• 23:06
  Made the choice to go from east to West indeed.
• 23:08
  Unfortunately California will need to wait a couple weeks more
• 23:11
  but if the numbers of the BDSM test or anything to go on we.
• 23:15
  You expect quite a lot of people to be on the app in the region
• 23:19
  of California, so even though you do need to wait a couple of
• 23:22
  weeks extra, you'll probably have more exciting profiles to
• 23:25
  discover than in Utah, for example, most.
• 23:28
  Dating apps I'm on, it is a freemium model and if I want to
• 23:31
  get more likes or see more profiles in a day I can pay.
• 23:36
  Is BD going to follow the same format?
• 23:39
  Yes. So we did choose the freemium
• 23:41
  model. If you're a free user, you are
• 23:43
  limited to sending 10 people alive, like, per day.
• 23:46
  And if you're a premium member, you can send unlimited likes and
• 23:51
  you get one free VIP per week. The VIPs are also sold
• 23:54
  separately. So if you see a profile that
• 23:56
  really catches your eye, it's currently selling for a dollar
• 23:59
  each, it skips the line. It lets them know you're very
• 24:02
  interested in their profile. Yeah, or data shows that it
• 24:05
  really helps in making connections.
• 24:06
  All right, so. For our listeners across the USI
• 24:09
  would love to get as many people on this as possible because I'm
• 24:13
  all about fostering community and getting kinky people
• 24:15
  together. So what can our listeners look
• 24:18
  forward to for this app? Well.
• 24:20
  We're happy to offer all listeners of the King
• 24:23
  Consultants podcast 50% of their first month of premium.
• 24:27
  You can do so by going to the app on Androids if you're buying
• 24:31
  premium, entering the Code King Consultants you mentioned.
• 24:34
  It's going to be on Android. Is it also going to be on iOS?
• 24:37
  We've built the. App both for Androids and for
• 24:39
  iOS and Google has approved our app for Androids.
• 24:43
  Unfortunately, Apple has a rule that they don't want to approve
• 24:47
  new dating apps that don't bring anything new.
• 24:49
  And they've ruled so far that matching based on the PDSM test
• 24:54
  is not anything new to them. They just see this as matching
• 24:58
  based on personality quizzes already exists.
• 25:01
  Yeah, but not for the King community.
• 25:03
  And the King community is massive.
• 25:04
  So we need to prove to Apple that a lot of people want this
• 25:08
  app, that a lot of people are going to use this app.
• 25:10
  So we have a petition. You can find the petition on
• 25:13
  bd.com/petition or by just Googling BDSM test petition.
• 25:17
  You'll also find it. So for now, unfortunately, the
• 25:20
  only way to download BD on an iPhone is to sign up to our
• 25:23
  testing program which will give you the full experience of the
• 25:27
  app. Apple doesn't let us use the
• 25:28
  payment systems yet, so on iOS you can't pay for premium or for
• 25:34
  the webs yet unfortunately. So you're going to be stuck with
• 25:37
  the freemium version for the time being.
• 25:40
  Yes, but we're working with Apple.
• 25:42
  We're trying to convince Apple that a lot of people want this
• 25:44
  app, that matching based on the BDSM test is new, that no one
• 25:49
  else, no other dating app is doing this, that a lot of people
• 25:52
  want an app like this. And hopefully it convinces Apple
• 25:55
  to approve our app and it will be easier to download, it will
• 25:58
  be easier to find, and it will allow people on iOS to buy
• 26:02
  premium and to buy webs. I want to maybe add, being stuck
• 26:06
  with the freemium version isn't necessarily bad.
• 26:09
  The vast majority of the users uses the app for free without
• 26:12
  paying for anything, and that's totally fine.
• 26:14
  Many of them get matches, get conversations, get interesting
• 26:17
  meetings without ever paying. That's totally fine.
• 26:20
  The one. Thing I want to do is reiterate
• 26:22
  exactly where our listeners can go to make sure Apple knows that
• 26:27
  being able to be matched based on our BDSM test result is
• 26:30
  important and it is a differentiator for us in the
• 26:33
  dating world. So this is unlike any other
• 26:36
  dating app that exists and we want, as iPhone users want to be
• 26:39
  able to access the premium version of this app as well,
• 26:42
  even though I know we're going to love the freemium version as
• 26:45
  well. If you want to tell Apple
• 26:46
  exactly what you think, go to bd.com, that's BEEDE e.com and
• 26:51
  click on petition so you can help sign the petition.
• 26:54
  Or if you want to keep it simple, Google BDSM test
• 26:57
  petition and sign the petition there.
• 27:00
  It'll probably be the 1st result.
• 27:01
  So whether you're on the freemium or premium version, you
• 27:04
  are going to be able to match with people who you're
• 27:06
  compatible. But if you want that extra edge,
• 27:09
  and I know we all like a little bit of an edge to send whips or
• 27:12
  get unlimited likes, you're gonna wanna be on premium.
• 27:15
  So iOS users get on it. Tell Apple what you think.
• 27:18
  OK, I wanna talk about the BT logo.
• 27:22
  How did the logo come to be the idea?
• 27:24
  Behind the logo is the letter B, letter D the 1st 2 letters of
• 27:28
  BDSM to kind of merge into each other or flow into each other.
• 27:32
  That was the idea behind the logo.
• 27:33
  But when we launched it, we got a lot of feedback.
• 27:36
  That looks looks like a bra and that that gives gives off vibes
• 27:40
  that we built a hookup app. That is not the case, but some
• 27:44
  of the people see it as as glasses.
• 27:46
  So those are probably more the the people that like Harry
• 27:49
  Potter I. Never saw it as glasses and I
• 27:51
  didn't see it as a bra, which is funny.
• 27:53
  I mean, it's almost like a Rorschach test or something
• 27:56
  where it's like, what do you see when you look at this?
• 27:58
  Because I immediately saw handcuffs.
• 28:00
  So I think it's in the eye of the beholder.
• 28:02
  I love that. And now that you say it, of
• 28:04
  course I see that it's merging AB and AD, but I equally see a
• 28:07
  bra on glasses now that you mention it.
• 28:09
  Very cool. Another.
• 28:11
  Part of what we tried with merging the B&D was to form the
• 28:13
  Infinity symbol as it stands for strong lasting relationships.
• 28:18
  I love that and I can see that too.
• 28:19
  There is so much in it and I love a logo that has a couple of
• 28:23
  different meanings within it. So glad to have that.
• 28:25
  Yeah, we've. Gotten a lot of positive
• 28:26
  feedback on the logo. Yeah, it's.
• 28:28
  Great. And it's my favorite colors, red
• 28:30
  and black, the whole. App is red and black.
• 28:32
  I know I. Love the aesthetic.
• 28:33
  You guys nailed it. How big is the team at BD?
• 28:35
  Do you have investors? We're on a.
• 28:38
  Mission to connect compatible people together and it does
• 28:42
  involve having a few people on the team that we need to pay and
• 28:46
  it involves paying for servers. So we need need to make some
• 28:50
  money to keep this app alive, but we're not backed by
• 28:53
  investment bankers, so we don't need to generate millions to
• 28:56
  send back to them. We've built this from the
• 28:58
  community and we want the goal of this app is to provide value
• 29:02
  and connect compatible people within the community.
• 29:05
  And that's why we're just running the show by ourselves.
• 29:07
  Amazing. And it's something we all
• 29:08
  desperately need because there is nothing else like this right
• 29:11
  now where we're able to see how we identify and what we actually
• 29:16
  are and how that works with other people also seeking
• 29:19
  partners. Were you at all influenced by
• 29:22
  Fetlife, which is famously not a dating app?
• 29:26
  Did that play any part in how you became a differentiator of
• 29:29
  what went into the app, knowing that Fetlife is used by millions
• 29:33
  but not actually meant for dating?
• 29:36
  I like to. See Fetlife as the Facebook for
• 29:38
  the BDSM community and we'd like to be the tender for the BDSM
• 29:41
  community. Love that.
• 29:42
  Like I think fat life are necessary completely different
• 29:45
  purpose BDSM test is is getting to know yourself, BD is getting
• 29:49
  to know other people, and Fetlife is keeping in touch with
• 29:52
  your kinky social network. That's three completely,
• 29:54
  completely different needs that are being filled.
• 29:57
  It is. And thank God you're filling
• 29:58
  that need because until recently we really only had Fetlife to
• 30:03
  connect with like minded people and hope for the best by
• 30:06
  attending munches and things like that.
• 30:07
  Do you have any plans in the near future to host get
• 30:11
  togethers in person? Any live meetups or are you
• 30:14
  going to stay on the dating app side of it organizing?
• 30:16
  Real life events across the world is difficult, right?
• 30:19
  Organizing it in the city where you live and where you can be at
• 30:22
  the event is wanting. Organizing an event in a city
• 30:25
  where you don't live and don't have anyone on team is a very
• 30:28
  different thing. While I'm not opposed to hosting
• 30:31
  real life events long term if we ever become a great success,
• 30:34
  currently I don't think it's feasible for us that.
• 30:37
  Makes sense. How has your own experience with
• 30:39
  kink and BDSM influenced the development of the BD app
• 30:44
  before? BD was very simple right?
• 30:46
  As you say, you go to other places that are not meant for it
• 30:50
  and you hope for the best. I've tried using apps like
• 30:52
  Tinder and stuff, but it's a very disappointing experience.
• 30:56
  You meet a lot of people and all goes good, and then you tell
• 30:59
  them about the king part or the other parts and it's like, ah,
• 31:03
  OK. And then the conversation was
• 31:05
  quiet. Yeah, that's a pretty.
• 31:06
  Apartment description of what my experience has been as well.
• 31:09
  That's also. Why we made BD in a way to get
• 31:12
  quality connections like I'm sure everyone who uses BD and
• 31:15
  has used other apps before will notice that they get way less
• 31:18
  matches in amount than on other apps.
• 31:21
  The matches that you do get, we can see that they make a lot
• 31:25
  longer chats than on other dating apps, so they're clearly
• 31:28
  more high quality, yeah. BD is allowing for a more
• 31:31
  quality connection part of. The decision of making an app
• 31:35
  where the BDSM test was part of the profile was my own
• 31:38
  experience. And just knowing upfront when
• 31:41
  you make a connection, knowing the other person's kinks and
• 31:44
  interests is a very easy way to start the conversation.
• 31:47
  It's very easy to start the conversation.
• 31:48
  How did you get into it? What are your limits?
• 31:51
  What are the best experiences that you've had in your life so
• 31:54
  far? Opens up so many Ice Breakers
• 31:56
  and so many interesting conversations that are to be
• 31:59
  had. And I think having interesting
• 32:00
  conversations is the best way for two people to connect
• 32:03
  completely. Agree, and I cannot wait to sink
• 32:07
  my teeth in and have the app in Las Vegas so I can start
• 32:10
  connecting with people as well. Will I be able to set my range
• 32:14
  so that I can search anyone in the United States, or is there
• 32:17
  going to be a geographical limit of up to 250 miles for who I can
• 32:21
  match with we offer? Two modes of connection 1 is to
• 32:24
  set a distance limit and I believe the maximum range is 160
• 32:29
  miles for that or we have a toggle that says connect me with
• 32:32
  people all around the world. And if you enter that toggle,
• 32:36
  you'll be connected with people literally from across the globe.
• 32:39
  It might be Australia, it might be Europe, it might be the US,
• 32:42
  So that's up to you Every, every profile also shows how many
• 32:45
  miles away they are from from you.
• 32:47
  So if you want to keep it to 1000 miles, that's also possible
• 32:50
  by manually filtering. But yes, we we do allow people
• 32:54
  to set their distance preferences in there.
• 32:57
  Great. Because I know a ton of people
• 32:59
  who have gone for long distance connections based on being able
• 33:04
  to relate to each other's kinks and BDSM interests.
• 33:07
  Because it is so difficult to find someone.
• 33:09
  So I love knowing that if you're open to it, you can find
• 33:13
  someone, they just might not be in your locale.
• 33:15
  One of the. Things I've learned from BD is
• 33:17
  that people had way, way broader distance ranges than we
• 33:22
  expected. We thought almost nobody will
• 33:24
  select this maximum of 160 miles.
• 33:27
  And then it turns out that almost half the people selected
• 33:30
  that selected the maximum option.
• 33:32
  And then we ordered the Tokalia search worldwide and still a
• 33:35
  large fraction of people select that option for worldwide.
• 33:38
  So that was something we completely underestimated when
• 33:41
  making the app. Future features will also be
• 33:43
  more open to people who want that kind of more distance going
• 33:47
  and. That's just in Europe, right
• 33:48
  Paul? That's.
• 33:49
  Mostly data from Europe, yes, yeah.
• 33:50
  Correct. I I'm making a prediction that
• 33:53
  when you choose the USI would not be surprised if 75% of
• 33:57
  people chose the Max of 160 miles.
• 33:59
  We are not scared of driving here and will drive for the
• 34:02
  right connection. Although Europe has much better
• 34:05
  public transport so maybe I'll be wrong.
• 34:08
  We'll have to see, but we allow. Users the choice Do you want
• 34:10
  your one perfect match from across the world, or do you want
• 34:14
  a couple of matches that are nearby and easy to meet?
• 34:17
  The choice is yours. Love it.
• 34:18
  Paul, if I'm correct, this is the first time you are publicly
• 34:21
  speaking about creating bdsmtest.org.
• 34:24
  Is that correct? Yep, that is.
• 34:25
  Correct. OK as someone on TikTok and
• 34:28
  Instagram, if I had created something as cool as the BDSM
• 34:30
  test, I would be shouting from the rooftops.
• 34:33
  Being like that was me. I did it with over 50 million
• 34:37
  people who have taken it. Why have you chosen to stay
• 34:39
  private? I guess I've always.
• 34:41
  Wanted my work to be judged by the work and not by the person
• 34:43
  who makes the work. Like I feel like it's irrelevant
• 34:46
  who makes a tool. It also brings you to a status
• 34:49
  of like some celebrity and I don't think I I would enjoy life
• 34:53
  as a celebrity. I'd rather prefer to be unknown
• 34:55
  in private. I know many people have asked me
• 34:58
  that question like why are you not more public about that?
• 35:00
  Oh, that's so cool. I didn't know that you that
• 35:03
  about you. I would have trusted you so much
• 35:05
  quickly if I knew this and so on.
• 35:07
  But at the same time, I feel like it brings a lot more
• 35:10
  pressure in in this day and age. Like everything I do, suddenly I
• 35:15
  am the public representative of the BDSM tests.
• 35:18
  While I feel like they're two very different things.
• 35:21
  There's the work I make and there's the person I am, and I
• 35:23
  make other nice things too. There maybe not as popular as
• 35:26
  videos M test but. That answer was so good.
• 35:30
  I I'm kind of speechless now. Because you're right.
• 35:33
  By allowing your work to just be your work and show for itself,
• 35:37
  it does allow you to live your own life and not be judged as
• 35:40
  the person who created this test.
• 35:42
  And it allows you leeway to make changes without it being
• 35:45
  personal to the questions and results given.
• 35:48
  But in your anonymity, there have been a lot of rumors that
• 35:52
  have popped up about who this person could possibly be.
• 35:55
  So yeah, I want to ask you about a couple of those rumors.
• 35:58
  Is that all right? Sure.
• 36:00
  Rumor number one, you are a very public sex offender and that is
• 36:04
  why you have chosen to be private about this test.
• 36:08
  Any validity to that? It was.
• 36:10
  Even more specific it's it was AUS based sex offender.
• 36:14
  Now it's very difficult to prove that I'm not a sex offender.
• 36:16
  We we are revealing my full identity, but I can very easily
• 36:20
  prove that I'm not from the US. You can probably hear it in my
• 36:23
  accent that I'm not American as well.
• 36:25
  We do. Hear that?
• 36:26
  And I have no idea how that rumor started.
• 36:28
  Do you know where it even came from?
• 36:29
  As always. With these kind of things,
• 36:31
  somebody notices a pattern somewhere and then write
• 36:36
  something and somebody copies that and, and adds onto it.
• 36:39
  And we trace it back to a Tumblr post where somebody found that
• 36:43
  sex offender stating that they like to be the Ascent test and
• 36:47
  encouraging other people to take it.
• 36:49
  And they thought, oh, that must mean that he is the founder of
• 36:52
  the BDSM test. And that took off.
• 36:54
  Like, yes, of course, only the founder of a website would
• 36:57
  promote a website, right? Amanda, you've been promoting
• 37:00
  BD. You were now officially the
• 37:01
  founder of BD. There's no other choice.
• 37:03
  I. Wish so.
• 37:04
  AUS based sex offender put on his Tumblr the phrase I finished
• 37:09
  the BDSM test. People took that out of context
• 37:12
  thinking it meant this is the creator of the BDSM test because
• 37:15
  he's just finished creating the BDSM test.
• 37:18
  While we're very sure he meant I finished taking the BDSM test,
• 37:22
  but not phrasing it like that. That got taken out of context
• 37:26
  and out of proportion. People started linking the BDSM
• 37:28
  test to that specific US based sex offender which we have 0
• 37:32
  ties with. That was the first time we've
• 37:34
  heard the name of that sex offender.
• 37:37
  We've never heard of that person.
• 37:38
  We don't know that person. So yeah, well, I'm.
• 37:41
  Glad we got to clear that up now.
• 37:42
  Second rumor is that the test became so popular that you had
• 37:47
  to go into hiding I. Honestly didn't haven't heard
• 37:50
  that rumor before. I'm not sure I understand it.
• 37:53
  If I'm not publicly saying who I am, why would I go into hiding?
• 37:57
  When it this site went viral, I was like, oh God, what have I?
• 38:01
  But it has always worked as a great field.
• 38:03
  Like I never had to be afraid someone would show up at my door
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  because nobody knows where my door is, right?
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  There's no reason for me to go into hiding.
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  Good. Point, but that brings me to my
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  next question. What was the origin story of you
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  releasing the test? From making the test live to it
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  going viral? What was the time difference
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  between that? This test has gone viral
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  multiple times over the years, especially I think it went viral
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  again three years ago when TikTok took off.
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  Everyone was doing it again. The test.
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  Wasn't even fully finished but I thought oh let me post it in one
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  forum from kinky people in my language group and I expected
• 38:41
  like some feedback so I could improve and finalize some things
• 38:44
  before making it public. But I didn't get a time it went
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  public from there before it was even fully finished.
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  I can see in the traffic stats that it went viral.
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  Like it's an exponential growth from the founding to pretty much
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  now. It has been growing and growing
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  ever since. I think what I'm.
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  Referring to is for us in the King community, we have a little
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  bit of like, well, we did it first.
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  We've known about this before. It was cool.
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  Oh. Yes, yes, it went.
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  On TikTok, and I think it was in a lot of articles, this famous
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  BDSM test that everyone was doing out of nowhere.
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  And for a lot of us, we were like, well, we've already done
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  that. We've known about that for
• 39:19
  years. And that's why I thought it may
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  have gone viral again. Yes, yes, maybe with the less
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  there's been a lot. More media attention to it.
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  That is definitely the case when.
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  Do you reveal to people that you were the creator of the test
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  when you meet them in real life? Is there something they say and
• 39:32
  then you tell them you made the test?
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  Or do all of your friends know my close?
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  Friends all know, it's not that I make it a secret secret.
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  I'm just not gonna quickly tell people that I don't know very
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  well. So when I tell them simply when
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  it comes up in a conversation, have you?
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  Personally put to the test and given it to potential romantic
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  partners before the app existed, yes.
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  I think it's something I see everyone around me do as well.
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  The easiest way to see is this person going to be compatible
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  like most people in fat. Nowadays, put their BDSM test
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  results on their profile and if they don't ask them, hey, have
• 40:05
  you taken this test? It's it can help you find out
• 40:08
  what you like. And it also shows to other
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  people whether, yeah, whether you're interesting in that way
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  to them. It's a.
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  Pretty great test that's in. Part What inspired us to create
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  BD because we saw that people were already using the BDSM test
• 40:20
  to check how compatible they were with potential partners
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  with people who they were dating in what areas they were
• 40:27
  compatible in which areas they weren't so that inspired us to
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  create an app that does that for you and goes out there and finds
• 40:35
  the best matches for you based on the BDSM test for.
• 40:38
  People who are new to kink and the BDSM lifestyle, what advice
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  can you both give them when taking the test, using the test
• 40:47
  results or being on BD app? What's the best of advice you
• 40:51
  can give to newbies? My best advice is go into the
• 40:55
  BDSM test and click on more info and it will show you what each
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  of the types are about. Allow yourself time to explore
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  because if you take the time the test again in a year your
• 41:08
  results might differ. Take the result at face value,
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  take it as information of what you might want to explore more
• 41:15
  of or what you already know that doesn't fit you well and take it
• 41:19
  from there. And if you find someone who
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  matches your kinks and your interests trusts very well,
• 41:24
  build trust with that person. And if that's a person who you
• 41:27
  can trust, tell them, hey, I'm new, I'm curious about this.
• 41:30
  I already know I like this and I don't like this other thing.
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  And I'm still curious and I don't know where my limits are
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  and I don't know what I like and what I don't like.
• 41:38
  Communicate that very well. Communication is very important.
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  And if you find the right person who has respect for your
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  boundaries, who has respect for you being you, and you still
• 41:47
  discovering your own sexuality, you can have an amazing time.
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  And I hope you find that person on BD.
• 41:52
  That's great. Great advice.
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  Paul, do you have anything to add?
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  I think for. BD specifically I would say
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  remember that everyone else on there is a human as well.
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  I think that's the most common mistake people make when they go
• 42:05
  into anything kinky. Think oh everyone is here is
• 42:09
  just there for kinky needs mostly to fulfill my kinky
• 42:12
  needs. They forget that they're also a
• 42:15
  complete human behind it, which then radiates in the way they
• 42:18
  talk to people, the way they view connections and
• 42:20
  relationships that come from it. That's usually not going to make
• 42:23
  either of you happy, I think. That is great advice for people
• 42:26
  in general. As people become more
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  chronically online and spend all their time behind their phone,
• 42:33
  we forget that we're talking to real people.
• 42:35
  So that's just general great life advice.
• 42:37
  Paul, if you were to start this BDSM test all over again,
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  knowing what you know now, would you have changed anything?
• 42:44
  Would it be the exact same Well in?
• 42:46
  A sense I can still change it now but I've definitely learned
• 42:49
  a lot about the BDSM community in general and the people taking
• 42:53
  it. You asked me for something
• 42:54
  that's been on my To Do List for a while but hasn't happened yet.
• 42:57
  I think it's incorporate more non sexual forms of BDSM because
• 43:01
  currently sex sells. So the thing that has made the
• 43:03
  BDSM that's most popular is the sexual aspects.
• 43:06
  But I get a lot of feedback from people saying oh but I'm more
• 43:09
  into this as a lifestyle and that's currently not covered.
• 43:12
  One of the things I'm currently doing as sort of a research
• 43:15
  project is find out how to accurately capture the lifestyle
• 43:19
  component of people's BDSM interests that.
• 43:22
  Would be really exciting. Do you think that becomes part
• 43:24
  of the original test or is it a supplementary test that's taken
• 43:27
  on the side? That's a very good.
• 43:28
  Question. I don't know.
• 43:30
  Usually what I do with these things is put some questions in
• 43:32
  that style in the test, see how people answer them out, an extra
• 43:36
  archetype in the results, see if that makes people rated better
• 43:40
  or worse, and iterate from there.
• 43:42
  That sounds. Like a very scientific method it
• 43:44
  is. It's.
• 43:44
  Science. But there's a reason why I apply
• 43:46
  science to this, and it's because it simply works.
• 43:48
  Yeah. I would agree with that.
• 43:50
  What can we look forward to on the BD app?
• 43:52
  Like what future features? Do you already have your next
• 43:55
  update planned? One of the things.
• 43:57
  That is coming shortly is allowing people to add their
• 44:00
  hometown on their profile. That's a commonly requested
• 44:04
  feature. We'll also be adding a feature
• 44:06
  so that premium members can see which other people have already
• 44:09
  sent them alike. Other than that, we have like
• 44:12
  500 things that we we would like to build, but we currently have
• 44:15
  like bandwidth for five of those a week.
• 44:17
  So as the app grows and as more people support the app, we're
• 44:21
  going to be able to build more of those features quicker and
• 44:25
  make the app even better. Amazing.
• 44:27
  Is there an area, or will there be an area, for people to
• 44:30
  effectively communicate their boundaries so that before people
• 44:33
  match, they already can identify what their boundaries are?
• 44:36
  That's a. Good question.
• 44:38
  Maybe that would make a good prompt people's.
• 44:40
  Boundaries are very diverse nature.
• 44:43
  I think it's very hard to capture them in an app.
• 44:45
  I think we already have a very good feature to capture those
• 44:48
  boundaries, and it's the chat function.
• 44:50
  If you can't express your boundaries in a chat, you're
• 44:53
  going to have problems later on. Either way, I think it's
• 44:56
  important that people state their boundaries, either be it
• 44:59
  in their profile or just in one of the first messages in the
• 45:03
  app. Absolutely.
• 45:04
  If you're not able to communicate your boundaries,
• 45:06
  that's a muscle you need to start immediately working on
• 45:09
  being able to effectively communicate your boundaries and
• 45:11
  feeling secure enough to stick with them.
• 45:14
  And that's an important part, I think, of any relationship.
• 45:16
  But it does feel extra important in a BDSM or kink dynamic.
• 45:21
  One of the. Other features we already have
• 45:22
  is that on your profile, you can ask yourself up to three
• 45:25
  questions. One of the questions that is in
• 45:27
  that list currently is what are your biggest turn ONS?
• 45:29
  What are my boundaries might be a good suggestion for that.
• 45:32
  So I'm going to take that with me and that question might pop
• 45:35
  up in the app over the next few weeks.
• 45:37
  Oh, I. Hope so, but I'm already using
• 45:39
  the what is your biggest turn on slash forward slash fetish?
• 45:43
  And for those who know me really well, it is of course spanking.
• 45:46
  But I love that you could put any answer in there that you
• 45:48
  wanted. So if you're on an Android, you
• 45:51
  can just go into the Play Store and get it, but if you're on
• 45:53
  iOS, it's a little more complicated.
• 45:56
  What's the easiest way for people to get the app the
• 45:59
  easiest? Way is to visit the website BD
• 46:01
  that's BEED EE dot app and from there it'll take you to the
• 46:06
  right place. If you enjoyed this episode,
• 46:08
  don't forget to subscribe, leave a review and share it with
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  anyone who might find it interesting.
• 46:13
  And if you have any questions or topics you'd like me to cover in
• 46:15
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• 46:17
  info@thekingconsultant.com. Until next time, keep on kinking
• 46:21
  on.