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Gone in 60 Seconds vs Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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  Oh, God. Oh, my God.
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  I think one of the weirdest things about Gone In 60 Seconds for me
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  is just how like masturbatory it was about cars like it.
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  It's for people who just geek out on cars like the Wikipedia page
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  has entries about the cars now.
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  But who fucking cares?
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  I mean, it's cool that it's a remake.
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  Yeah, which I learned last night.
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  Yeah, I had no idea.
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  I've never seen the original.
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  I haven't either.
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  It's cool about the 70s.
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  You know what's cool about that?
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  What's cool about that?
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  Welcome back to Cage Match around about wave media.
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  Nicholas Cage, Colin.
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  It's just getting ridiculous at this point.
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  I know. OK, let me take that again.
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  Welcome back to Cage Match, Colin around about wave media.
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  Nicholas Cage, Colin.
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  The podcast hasn't started yet.
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  So stop talking about Gone In 60 Seconds.
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  I'm your host, Sean.
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  With my co-host.
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  Mm hmm.
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  I don't know if that's happening today.
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  All right. I'm Nick.
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  And a producer. Hello, I'm Peter.
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  And our special guest, John.
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  Hi, John. Hi.
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  Welcome to the show. Thank you.
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  How was your chicken piccata this morning?
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  I thought it was supposed to be deal piccata.
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  Well, we're all on budgets.
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  I want to fix it.
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  My chicken piccata was delicious, by the way.
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  It was very well cooked.
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  The yolk was nice and runny.
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  A good everything bagels.
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  Delicious bagel base.
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  We lured John into Peter's basement with the promise of the alpaca.
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  Yeah, there is no breakfast today, though.
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  Yeah. Feel Piccata.
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  Benedict should have been your hint that it was fake.
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  I don't know what the alpaca is.
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  It's like veal with capers and like a white wine.
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  Yeah. Lemonade.
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  Wine sauce totally sounds like an amazing.
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  Yeah, it's delicious.
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  It probably would be a good Benedict now that I think about it.
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  We'll be right back.
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  We're going to make this and then we'll come back and talk about it. OK.
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  That was good. Yeah.
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  Very tasty. Yeah.
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  Would eat that again.
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  So on this podcast, we talk Nicholas Cage,
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  rocket system, 64 films go in.
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  One movie will come out this week.
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  We're talking gone in 60 seconds and Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance,
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  a very high octane episode.
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  Which would you say it is?
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  Three. You pull up to the gas station, you just go to the three pump. Yeah.
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  It's mostly covered in spiders year round.
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  Oh, man. Fucking I hate fake spider season.
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  I was all like ready for it.
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  Now they've gone away again, which means in a week I'm going to walk right into a web.
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  Yep. Told you it wasn't spider season yet.
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  Yeah, it's getting there. Spider seasons end of summer.
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  What do you have against it?
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  Sean doesn't like the spiders.
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  I think it's the spiders is what he doesn't like about spider season.
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  But like the spiders here are chill. Yeah.
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  Yeah. They just like to build a web in front, like in front of doors
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  and across sidewalks and stuff.
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  Yeah, sometimes they're even big and hairy and that's cool.
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  I don't want to ruin this for you, Sean, but I'm pretty sure we have black widows here.
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  That's fine. I grew up in a place with hobo spiders.
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  This is yeah. Hobo spiders.
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  I think they're called unhoused spiders.
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  Drifter spiders.
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  You're David Banner of spiders.
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  I imagine that would be spider with a little bindle.
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  Yeah, it's a spindle.
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  Let's be real.
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  Oh, John, our most dad joke person who is not a dad.
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  Yeah, that's right. I got to have a thing.
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  So, John, what is your interest in Nicolas Cage?
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  My interest in Nicolas Cage is mostly seeing someone who's almost as hairy as I am.
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  Oh, he does have good body hair.
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  Yeah. John, that is.
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  I mean, Nick Cage, too, occasionally, but not always.
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  Yeah, his chest hair is impressive.
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  And I don't think we've seen his bare back.
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  He's not a hairy backed guy.
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  No, it's just just like he might wax the back.
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  Oh, I'm sure he does. I would.
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  Yeah, I mean, the chest hair comes and goes like the tides.
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  You ever shave your chest?
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  Shave it. Yeah.
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  When I was in bodybuilding, I shaved everything.
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  Yeah, that was fun for speed in bodybuilding.
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  You got to get all loose.
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  You got to get into that slide across the stage.
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  Exactly. That was just right.
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  Yeah. I used to have my chest and stomach hair shaved into an arrow pointing down
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  at 100 percent tracks.
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  Yeah, I am not shocked by this information in the slightest.
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  I think that's to how long that lasted a good couple of years.
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  What is that is shock?
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  Haining. That's a bit for sure.
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  Well, it starts to get uncomfortable when it's growing back out.
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  So you just maintain.
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  Also, you know, you get good about shaving around your nipples and everything.
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  I don't remember you being that hairy.
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  I'm not terribly hairy, but when it's just an arrow pointing down,
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  I guess you'd notice it.
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  Yeah, it's like subtle.
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  What we're talking here.
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  The main portion of the arrow is about two inches,
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  and then it flared out to about here and then straight down.
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  I would say the main point of the arrow is the pointy bit
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  or the main area of the arrows, the pointy bit, not the line.
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  I would disagree, because if you just look at the pointy bit,
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  all you're looking at is a triangle.
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  You got me there.
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  The line creates linear focus.
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  But a triangle can also be an arrow.
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  But it's also in three different directions.
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  Which one do you look at?
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  That's only true for an isolateral triangle, though.
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  We're not bringing math into this.
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  You leave your geometry at home.
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  We're talking about harrows only today.
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  Gross. Ah, that's it.
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  That should have been where I came in.
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  Yeah.
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  I'll just move everything around.
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  That's fine. You do anyway.
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  I'm not changing shit.
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  Peter's like, I fucking give up.
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  I'm not even working on this anymore.
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  Peter's going on vacation for like 10 days.
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  He doesn't get it anymore.
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  Honestly, as much work as just guesting on this was,
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  which is a shocking amount of work, by the way.
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  Yes.
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  I'm impressed with how long you guys have been doing this,
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  because I definitely would have quit.
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  Yeah. So on the website, too, I just had how many hours
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  and minutes we've been watching cage movies.
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  And then I finally did the conversion.
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  And now it reads how many days we've spent on it.
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  And it's over four days now just watching the movies.
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  And that's not counting rewatches.
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  Oh, yeah. I watched both twice.
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  Just a singular watch is all I'm tracking.
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  It's a lot of time that we have now lost to our Lord and Savior,
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  Nicolas Cage.
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  I can't see his name.
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  Yeah.
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  As Darryl would say, the golden hog of Hollywood.
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  I know he's going to like that.
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  We're going to bring that in, too.
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  I mean, it's been it's been transferring around to some other podcasts.
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  So has it? Yeah, he's running.
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  That's good. I didn't want to jump on his thing there.
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  But no, no, I think he would enjoy that.
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  He's got he's got getting to follow you now.
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  Yeah. Getting to follow you.
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  Wait, does he have a theme song for getting to follow you?
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  Yeah. Yes.
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  We got to put lyrics to your base thing.
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  Yeah. I mean, we have we have him shouting fuck.
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  Yeah. I'm a little disappointed you don't play that at the beginning of every episode.
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  Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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  It would be different every episode because Seinfeld it.
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  Yeah. Peter just came over and we just put him held a microphone up to my
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  and just noodled around.
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  I just moved around for half an hour.
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  And that's what we get.
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  Yeah. It's my one professional like base credit.
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  I'm a musician, ma.
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  There is an IMDb for bass players.
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  It's actually the unemployment list.
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  So got in 60 seconds.
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  Here's where I'm going to be if this keeps up.
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  John, you're the guest, which means I have to do less work.
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  What's gone in 60 seconds about?
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  That's what you said last week, Sean.
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  And it holds true today.
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  So gone in 60 seconds is basically a standardized movie.
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  Let's be real. Like, there is nothing special about this movie, which is.
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  That's a hot take. And I'm a hot take guy.
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  Can I go into opinions? Yeah.
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  Oh, OK. Yeah. So we don't do opinions on this.
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  I like hot takes, but not opinionated ones.
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  Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong.
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  I love this movie, but there's nothing fancy about it.
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  Right. It's just Ocean's 11 with cars, more or less.
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  Oh, I see you disagreeing.
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  No, actually, I was thinking it's more like a original Fast and Furious.
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  Ah, you beat me. So I was also going to talk about Fast and Furious.
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  And it came out what just a year before the first Fast movie.
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  I had to check that before I texted Peter.
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  Oh, I'm like, I'm going to say this to Nick.
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  Nope. Right down to the end when they're having the barbecue
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  and everybody's family styling around fucking fast.
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  I can't wait. Family styling is making out, right? Yeah.
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  That's when everyone makes that.
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  You've got to everyone sticks their tongue in at the same time.
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  Uh huh. Three way kissing was like the hot thing on TV for a period of time.
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  Absolutely not. What are you talking about?
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  It was really big during the like, I'm actually with you.
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  I know what you're talking about.
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  Yeah, it was like the big thing and everyone's like, oh, so hot.
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  Three way kiss. It's like, that's terrible.
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  Like nobody's getting any action.
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  That's just touching.
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  That just makes me think of a buddy of mine back in high school.
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  I mean, in Oregon, we had 18 and over strip clubs and stuff,
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  and he would go to the strip club after school.
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  And this guy was high school.
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  Yeah. This guy was falling hard and he was blowing like
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  all of his paychecks at the strip club.
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  And he was getting like lap dances from two strippers at once.
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  And it's like that is insanely stupid.
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  Just like one on each leg.
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  Yeah. I don't know if they were like jumping in and like back and forth.
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  But nobody's doing 100 percent of their like actual work.
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  I'm expecting like one of them to stand on the shoulders of the other.
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  Wear a trench coat. Yeah, that would be cool.
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  The tallest stripper. Yeah.
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  And I'm kind of into this.
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  Yeah. So this movie, I don't know, like
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  to 2000 is when it came out and it feels very 2000 to me.
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  Like that intro is so fucking dated and like shitty font work.
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  Everybody's got that like 2000 hair that's kind of just slicked back.
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  Yeah. Greasy, greasy, greasy, greasy.
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  That man is quintessential 2000.
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  Yeah. All he was missing was some wraparound shades.
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  Which his psychic had. Yeah.
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  Which one? Tumblr.
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  The tech guy who his one tech thing was fake fingerprints.
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  No, no, he had the wasn't he was the one with the little thing
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  that got the garage. Yeah.
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  Recorded the frequency that the garage door.
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  Oh, yeah. As if that's it.
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  Yeah.
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  Which apparently they could have just walked around to the back of the garage
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  anyways, because there was an open door in that scene to not pick up on that.
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  Oh, yeah. Because like when they're in there and steal the car.
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  Yeah. That girl like walks up and he's just standing there in the open.
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  I can we talk about like real quick?
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  I know we haven't talked about anything about it yet.
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  So the the goons that work for Robisi in the beginning.
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  So like James Kahn or not.
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  James Kahn was like, what fucking movie are you watching?
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  Scott Kane. Yeah.
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  So you're talking about is it King?
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  I don't know. Con King.
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  I thought he was a Scott. Yeah. Scott Khan, I'm pretty sure.
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  Oh, well, just the names of the the boosters in the beginning.
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  There's there's Kip Reigns, which is Nicolas Cage's younger brother.
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  Robisi. Yeah. Played by Gary Robisi there.
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  Or whatever his name is.
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  Greasy, greasy, greasy.
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  My first note of this movie was by Gary.
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  You see, so greasy.
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  If Gary Busey ever plays Nicolas Cage's younger brother,
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  I will buy 30 copies of that movie and mail one to every listener
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  who gives me a comment that's just burnt on DVDs
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  that someone's had lined around for 20 years.
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  Just an old CDRW. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Um, but I wanted to talk about these these guys real quick.
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  So there was Kip Reigns.
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  There's a guy named Tumblr who has the dumbest looking mutton chops
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  and is just, I don't know, a beefcake idiot.
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  Fuck, what was that other guy's name?
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  There was Mirror Man, the one to be Dave Chappelle.
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  Oh, he's the tech guy. Never shuts his mouth. Yeah.
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  They'll say the thing that pisses me the most off
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  about the guy with the sunglasses is that he never takes them off.
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  Yeah, you know, he's completely blind for half of that movie. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Everything happens at night.
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  Got to wear your mirrored shades. Yeah.
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  So, yeah, Mirror Man, Tumblr.
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  There's a guy named Toby. That's the screw up.
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  Yeah, Toby doesn't do anything.
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  He's the one that like get he's like, I can get into the DMV.
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  Hack into the DMV, change
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  license plates and this and that.
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  And it's like, OK, you're you're an idiot.
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  And there was Frab Frab, the one you're thinking who hires pizza
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  like a madman and apparently steals drug dealer cars
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  and brings a bunch of heroin back into the shop.
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  I've never seen heroin.
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  Can you tell heroin apart from other white powder drugs?
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  They could probably not by looking. Yeah.
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  I didn't see any like gum rubs or anything like that.
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  Now that we've kind of talked about that scene, what's this movie about?
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  So Nick Cage gets pulled back in for one more heist.
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  He used to boost cars for a living, skip town for mysterious reasons
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  until his brother, Robisi Kip, goes a little wild on a job
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  and gets the attention of the cops and now is being held hostage by Dr.
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  Who Christopher Eccleston with a great wig
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  who is threatening to kill his brother to kill Nick Cage brother.
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  Memphis Reigns gets pulled back in to steal 50 cars in four nights.
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  Otherwise, him and his brother are dead.
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  To be clear, that's the job that his brother signed up for.
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  And then his brother bashed it.
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  Now they have to do it in the compressed time frame. Yeah, right.
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  Or else they're going to go into that coffin that Christopher Eccleston built.
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  So because he's impressive.
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  Yeah, he's the carpenter. He's an accomplished wood worker.
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  Yeah, that's his that's his mafia name, the carpenter.
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  Because it's 2000. He's a lame ass character.
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  I did not enjoy as well as your own motivation.
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  We I understand why Christopher Eccleston hates fucking Hollywood
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  because he was like British and mildly menacing.
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  So they just kept making him like shitty bad guys.
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  Foreigners are scary.
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  That's true. We don't like him here.
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  That was my one problem with one of my one problem is just that
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  the lack of motivation for the villain, right?
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  He's just being a jerk. Yeah, jerk.
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  He's promised somebody else 50 cars, and if he doesn't deliver,
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  he's going to look like an asshole. Yeah, it's not he's going to die.
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  It's not like the other guy's going to kill him or something or like.
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  Also, so the job is only worth $200,000.
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  When I heard that, I was like, fuck that.
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  Yeah, that was 2000, $200,000 in 2000 money.
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  Well, OK, so inflate that up to 500.
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  I mean, 300,000 million.
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  Yeah, it's like, I mean, the job is worth it.
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  We can use the rule of 72 here to figure out how quickly that would double.
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  Oh, good. Yeah. Do that for us, please.
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  I'm not going to put the job is mostly to save his brother.
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  He doesn't care about the money. Sure.
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  And we're busy. Fucking sucks.
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  He's a fuck up. You see his house. It's shitty.
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  Oh, man. His breakfast making skills suck.
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  What? What's in this?
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  What's in this? I don't know.
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  Yeah, it's garbage.
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  If my brother tried to serve that to me, I don't know.
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  Push him over. What was it? They're estranged. That's true.
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  That was kind of a fuck. Right.
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  First, was it though?
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  I think it was like an I helped you breakfast.
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  But then Nick Cage is trying to be like, you know, be nice.
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  He hasn't seen him in six years.
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  Yeah. Nick Cage now runs a go kart track like in the middle of nowhere.
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  He looks like he's having a great fucking day.
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  Also, you know, Memphis gets his pick of of the single moms.
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  Yeah, the tracks.
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  But the single moms that hang out in dirty go kart tracks.
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  Yeah. So I love that because my note for the go kart track is like, OK,
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  I want to go to a track and it just cuts to an old guy sitting in a chair.
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  Mike comes with its old old guy. Yeah.
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  As they all do.
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  So Memphis has to get his old crew back together.
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  Boosting these cars.
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  Sorry, you said boosting.
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  I counted the times they said boosting this movie.
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  15, only 15. Yeah.
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  Hmm. They're going to go hard on it in the end where they like
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  keep calling each other a car boost and stuff like that.
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  15 still a lot.
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  It's a lot of times it's a lot of one word. Yeah.
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  That is. Yeah.
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  Yeah. He's so he's got to get his old crew back together.
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  A real who's who's of nobody's except for Vinnie Jones.
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  Wait, in terms of actors, because the actors are great.
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  Yeah. Vinnie Jones.
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  Again, Vinnie Jones is in this who I love and everything.
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  He's the juggernaut bitch and she McBride.
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  He plays. Yeah.
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  So I love him.
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  His character is great in this, too.
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  My first exposure to him was in Boston Public.
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  Who? Black guy with the hat.
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  Oh, OK. The bucket hat.
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  Yeah.
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  Which this again, movie of a time.
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  He's introduced teaching an Asian woman how to drive.
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  She cannot drive.
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  And then he talks about how he can't swim.
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  Yeah. There's just something to be said about realism in film.
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  Oh, what I want.
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  Keep that in there.
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  Because we see this Asian driver crash the car in the first act
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  in the second act when they're getting a list of all the cars.
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  We see her at the DMV crying because she failed her driver's test.
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  So the thing she says when she's at the DMV and she failed her test.
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  Is you're supposed to speed up when someone's tailgating you.
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  Yeah, I thought that was good.
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  So in the third act, when the cops are chasing Memphis,
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  I wanted to see her just back out and just like like hit a cop car
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  to like stop one of the chases and she doesn't know what's going on.
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  That would have been a good finish to that.
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  Yeah. Three's right.
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  Yeah, it would have been funny.
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  Chekov's racism.
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  Oh, my God.
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  I assume Chekov was racist.
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  Yeah, me too.
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  Yeah. So 50 cars one night.
• 17:32
  Angelina Jolie's in here for.
• 17:36
  Oh, reasons.
• 17:37
  What is wrong with her look?
• 17:40
  Oh, my God.
• 17:41
  I've never been less attracted to her in my life.
• 17:45
  And I'm sure that's not the point of her role for me to be attracted to her.
• 17:50
  But I'm pretty sure that's the I think that's why she is super weird,
• 17:54
  white dreadlocks.
• 17:55
  She looked like she was one of the villains from the second Matrix movie.
• 17:59
  Like she looked like one of those little ghosty people.
• 18:03
  So pale. Like did they powder her to?
• 18:05
  I dude, I don't know.
• 18:07
  Everyone looks like shit in this movie.
• 18:09
  Looks like it's very one was hackers like 97 or something.
• 18:12
  OK, I was wondering if like she just came off hackers who just did this.
• 18:16
  Well, so apparently this that role was written specifically for her.
• 18:19
  I mean, the role had nothing to it.
• 18:22
  That's what I mean is I think they inserted it just so they could have Angelina
• 18:25
  Jolie in the movie.
• 18:26
  Hackers was 1995.
• 18:27
  OK, because yeah.
• 18:28
  Oh yeah, Fisher Stevens. Her in Memphis used to be a thing.
• 18:31
  My high school theater teacher was in hackers.
• 18:33
  Oh, shit. That's cool.
• 18:34
  She was roller skater.
• 18:36
  I guess there wasn't much to her roles.
• 18:38
  All right. Just rolling.
• 18:39
  Yeah. But so Memphis and her used to have a thing.
• 18:42
  Then he disappeared.
• 18:43
  Now she's gone legit.
• 18:44
  So she can't join the crew until she just does.
• 18:48
  Yeah. And then later on, there is a very uncomfortable
• 18:52
  car sexy scene, almost sex.
• 18:55
  I also didn't understand how their legs were intertwined in that scene.
• 18:58
  I very confused. Yeah.
• 19:00
  Have you ever had sex in a car?
• 19:01
  The front seats of a car?
• 19:02
  No, I've actually I don't think I've ever had sex in the car.
• 19:05
  I've tried. I've had sex in the front seat of a car, but it was a minivan.
• 19:08
  So there was some space.
• 19:10
  I did it in a GEO.
• 19:11
  In a GEO? Yeah.
• 19:13
  It's one a metro storm.
• 19:14
  OK, damn. All right.
• 19:17
  Respect. I mean, it's no metro.
• 19:19
  Have you ever been in a GEO store?
• 19:20
  No, but I've been in a GEO metro.
• 19:22
  Oh, yeah. It's about the same amount of space.
• 19:24
  Less backseat in a storm.
• 19:26
  The sports car of the GEO.
• 19:29
  It is it had all four cylinders.
• 19:31
  This is this is relevant for this movie, certainly.
• 19:34
  Yeah, we're a car.
• 19:35
  That's definitely a car that was taken over for.
• 19:37
  What is it? Scrich and scratch on car talk.
• 19:39
  Oh, yeah. Click and clack.
• 19:40
  Yeah, we do have a very quintessential Nick Cage moment in the film,
• 19:44
  because right when he's going back to being a hardened criminal,
• 19:48
  he gets his crime jacket. Yeah, crime jacket.
• 19:50
  I love a jacket.
• 19:52
  And then he says, I'm a bad man.
• 19:56
  Which is basically as good as if he had said, Cranton.
• 19:58
  Yeah, Cranton.
• 19:59
  Cranton jacket. What would your crime jacket be?
• 20:02
  I feel like, you know, that kind of purple velour
• 20:05
  coat that he's got in that Dead by Daylight game.
• 20:08
  Like, oh, yeah, I think that'd be my look.
• 20:10
  Just Nicholas Cage's actual jacket. Yeah.
• 20:13
  I would probably wear
• 20:15
  like one of those fleece lined bomber jackets.
• 20:19
  Oh, that's good.
• 20:20
  I'm going to go with like, oh, like a deer skin vest.
• 20:25
  Not a jacket, but like a vest.
• 20:27
  Nice. Does it have fringe?
• 20:29
  Sure. Cool. And turquoise.
• 20:31
  Yes.
• 20:33
  Coterie.
• 20:36
  Coterie jacket.
• 20:37
  Nice. Very on brand.
• 20:40
  Or a windbreaker.
• 20:42
  Ooh, so good for best.
• 20:44
  Crime.
• 20:50
  So, yeah, this movie is not a movie that anybody watches for the plot.
• 20:54
  I think it's fair to not talk about that any further.
• 20:58
  No, it's a Bruckheimer movie.
• 20:59
  Yes. You're here for some explosion.
• 21:01
  Yeah, it's two hours of boosting cars.
• 21:06
  You get to watch them steal cars in various
• 21:09
  manners between either like
• 21:12
  getting keys made from the dealership to like go steal them.
• 21:16
  Or at one point, they when that fails for a couple of cars,
• 21:19
  they break into the police impound and steal cars
• 21:23
  that they tried to steal earlier and already had keys for.
• 21:27
  They steal one nice car that just has like a door open button underneath it.
• 21:31
  Oh, yeah. That was a nice car. That was cool.
• 21:34
  It was like a hot rod.
• 21:35
  Why would you have that?
• 21:36
  Yeah, don't don't have a little door open button.
• 21:38
  They steal a car from Dr. Kelso.
• 21:41
  Oh, yeah. Which tells me this movie is in the Scrubs universe.
• 21:44
  What's the one where he's an ambulance?
• 21:46
  Oh, yeah. Bringing out the bringing out the dead has Carla's in there.
• 21:49
  Yeah. So as a nurse, as a nurse.
• 21:51
  So I'm just saying like all the cage films happen in the Scrubs universe.
• 21:55
  So you're saying that is the scrubs is actually in the NCU.
• 22:00
  Yeah. Which makes me think in the NCU,
• 22:03
  Nicolas Cage is the most generic looking person.
• 22:06
  Yeah. Similar to like how I'm super generic looking.
• 22:09
  He's now the every man in cages.
• 22:12
  Every man of the cage, Brockheimer films.
• 22:15
  I feel this is the one that just goes from the word go.
• 22:18
  It doesn't really ever slow down and it doesn't feel like two hours for me.
• 22:23
  No, it's just action. Yeah.
• 22:24
  And that's what it should be. Yeah.
• 22:26
  So it's car chases.
• 22:28
  It's cars being stolen a little bit of like criminal intrigue
• 22:32
  as they outsmart cops and those cops were kind of cool.
• 22:36
  So like, you know, we tried good cop, bad cop.
• 22:38
  I kind of liked both of those cops.
• 22:40
  Yeah, they were fine.
• 22:41
  They put the heat to that one guy who just works at the docks.
• 22:45
  He's just like, come on, man, I'm just trying to do my job.
• 22:47
  Well, we're going to talk to your boss.
• 22:48
  I'm like, fine. Well, that's I mean, people on parole aren't people.
• 22:52
  Sean, I was going to say,
• 22:55
  does anybody even know which one of us is which?
• 22:58
  And I'm like, no, that's only in photos that people don't know which one is.
• 23:01
  I introduce myself every time.
• 23:03
  Yeah, they know which one's mine.
• 23:05
  Identifiable voice and all.
• 23:06
  That'd be a weird long con if you were actually Sean.
• 23:09
  Yeah, it's just a huge bit.
• 23:11
  We just switched it up from that one time when Sean fucked up the intro.
• 23:15
  We did. Yeah.
• 23:16
  We talked about that for Nick and Sean's podcast
• 23:18
  where we're going to switch names to like our names have been changed
• 23:20
  to protect the innocent. Yeah.
• 23:22
  I was going to say, so I looked into some of the like the writing
• 23:24
  and stuff like that, and the guy that wrote this also wrote High Fidelity,
• 23:27
  which is like the most talky movie.
• 23:29
  Yeah, it's like the most strange.
• 23:30
  Yeah. But also J.J. Abrams did uncredited rewrites.
• 23:34
  Yeah, he did a lot of punch up work kind of in this era.
• 23:37
  He's he's sort of uncredited on a lot of movies to try and make like
• 23:41
  a little more interesting, funnier, snappier dialogue.
• 23:45
  Interesting. The director also directed Season of the Witch.
• 23:48
  Yeah. See, I did the work.
• 23:49
  That's just good because we did. Oh, great.
• 23:52
  People don't come here for facts.
• 23:54
  I was very nervous about being bad at this.
• 23:56
  So don't worry. We set the bar real low. Yeah.
• 23:58
  Great. We set you up to succeed. Yeah.
• 24:01
  Yeah. OK. Favorite chasing.
• 24:07
  I mean, the last one's really.
• 24:08
  I know there's really only the one, but it's huge and it's great.
• 24:11
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:12
  Well, he's in the Mustang, Eleanor, his white whale, his unicorn,
• 24:16
  his unicorn, which was like there's only one of these in the city.
• 24:21
  It's going to be the easiest one to track down if the cops get on to you.
• 24:23
  Why not just steal it first?
• 24:25
  I mean, it's because he's worried about it
• 24:27
  because every time he's tried to steal this car, it's gone bad.
• 24:29
  And then it goes problem. Let's be real. Yeah.
• 24:31
  I did like when he was trying to find the car.
• 24:33
  He goes to the dealership and he talks to that guy.
• 24:36
  So Nick Cage goes into this dealership.
• 24:37
  It's like a Ferrari dealership.
• 24:39
  And he's acting out this character
• 24:43
  just being very kind of foppish.
• 24:45
  And the the dealer comes up to him. He's like, can I help you?
• 24:49
  He's like, perhaps.
• 24:50
  Hmm. But you know, this is the one.
• 24:54
  Yes, yes, yes.
• 24:55
  I saw three of these parked outside the local Starbucks this morning,
• 24:59
  which tells me one thing.
• 25:01
  There's too many self-indulgent wieners in this city with too much bloody money.
• 25:07
  Now, if I was driving a 1967 to 75 GTB for Cam.
• 25:13
  So you obviously knew what you were coming in here for.
• 25:16
  But he says wiener. And I liked that.
• 25:18
  You just like the wiener part.
• 25:19
  Well, yeah, I wrote it down because he said wiener.
• 25:21
  I just wrote down self-indulgent wiener.
• 25:23
  Yeah. What I like, though, is it's so corny, but he just goes,
• 25:26
  your name's Roger. I'm Roger.
• 25:28
  Two Rogers don't make a right.
• 25:30
  And it's like, that's such a shitty joke, but it's perfect.
• 25:32
  Beautiful for that character that that character is playing.
• 25:36
  Well, from a long quote to a really short one, when he meets Chris
• 25:39
  Rackle some of the first time and Chris Rackle's like, do I look like an asshole to you?
• 25:43
  Yeah. Yeah, it's a short quote.
• 25:48
  I'm always so flustered in these situations.
• 25:50
  So like he ends up throwing the, you know, 10,000 bucks or whatever
• 25:53
  it was back at Cage's face and nobody collected that money.
• 25:56
  And it always drives me crazy.
• 25:57
  I know it's like that other one where they in a rage where he doesn't recollect his money.
• 26:01
  It's like, yeah, money goes into the poker game, puts the money down
• 26:05
  and just start stabbing people and leaves.
• 26:06
  It's like, wait a minute.
• 26:08
  This isn't like a pay to play situation.
• 26:10
  You don't have to like pay money to stab somebody.
• 26:12
  Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can just stabbing are usually free. Yeah.
• 26:17
  John, do you have a quote?
• 26:17
  Oh, I have many.
• 26:19
  The one that's not actually by Nick Cage is by Timothy Oliphant's
• 26:23
  detective guy who very inconsistent, by the way,
• 26:26
  like sometimes he's schmarmie, sometimes he's very serious.
• 26:29
  I could not put it on him.
• 26:30
  Stupid. Like, yeah.
• 26:32
  But also sometimes smart.
• 26:34
  Yeah, very confusing character.
• 26:35
  Anyway, so at one time he says to Nick, by the time you get out, asshole,
• 26:40
  there won't even be cars will be all coming or driving around in.
• 26:46
  Spaceships.
• 26:48
  I loved how much Timothy Oliphant's character annoyed the other cop.
• 26:53
  Like he kept saying things like when he says the other cop's wife is mean.
• 26:58
  Oh, yeah. And that look he gets in return.
• 27:01
  Well, she is. Yeah.
• 27:03
  She can be a little mean. Yeah.
• 27:06
  That was a good character.
• 27:06
  That was probably the best side character, like supporting character
• 27:11
  in this movie. Yeah.
• 27:13
  My favorite cage line, it comes at the end when being Reims finally talks.
• 27:16
  And he just like, not being Reims of Vinny Jones.
• 27:20
  Who's racist now?
• 27:23
  Vinny Jones's line of wax is poetically at the end of the film for the first time.
• 27:28
  And then Nick Cage just goes, Hey, man, I thought you were from Long Beach
• 27:33
  and shrugs.
• 27:34
  My favorite quote from this is definitely I mean, it's not
• 27:38
  it's just one that I use a lot in my life.
• 27:42
  They're getting ready to go out into do their boos.
• 27:46
  And Nick Cage just preps and he's like.
• 27:48
  OK, let's ride.
• 27:50
  And that's it. They're listening to low rider.
• 27:52
  Yeah. And all the all the young all the young kids are like,
• 27:55
  what the fuck is going on?
• 27:56
  And all like the old school boosters are just like.
• 27:59
  Shut up. Yeah, it's a hype moment.
• 28:01
  Yeah. But I don't know.
• 28:03
  I say that all the time and I love it.
• 28:05
  I wanted it to be tied to the music cue better.
• 28:07
  He just like just random does it randomly.
• 28:10
  Yeah. I mean, it was it was internal.
• 28:11
  I guess it's hard. You got to you got to rev up.
• 28:14
  Yeah.
• 28:15
  I will say one thing. We've been talking about Vinnie Jones.
• 28:18
  That it about him not talking.
• 28:20
  Did anybody else pick up?
• 28:21
  He actually talks earlier in the movie as well.
• 28:23
  So when they're prying open the like security box thing in the garage,
• 28:26
  the guy. Yeah, thank you.
• 28:28
  He he's having a hard time.
• 28:29
  And so Vinnie Jones comes in with like a screwdriver and says very quietly
• 28:33
  like this and prize it open.
• 28:35
  Oh, I was like, really? Did I hear that?
• 28:37
  Sphinx. It was it.
• 28:39
  I just rewatched that scene over.
• 28:40
  It's a knife. And then
• 28:42
  Mirror Man Mirror Man.
• 28:44
  Why is that the hardest wonder?
• 28:46
  I don't remember. But what's the other?
• 28:48
  Mirror Man like he was a man with mirrors on his whole time
• 28:52
  and just tells him he's going to kick his ass and being a gun.
• 28:54
  Just like holds the knife up to him.
• 28:55
  He's like, man, why are you going to take it so seriously?
• 28:57
  I liked that pairing of all the like groups to be put together.
• 29:02
  Vinnie Jones and Mirror Man, TJ Cross is the actor.
• 29:06
  They are the best combination because he's the best.
• 29:10
  They are the best combination because he never shuts up
• 29:13
  and Vinnie never talks.
• 29:16
  Did you guys get the Michael Pena sighting?
• 29:19
  Yes. As the stereotype.
• 29:21
  Hello. Yeah. OK.
• 29:23
  So that's what that was. OK. Yeah.
• 29:25
  So Eleanor, the Mustang, has such a weird fucking history in Hollywood
• 29:30
  because the character or the car is trademarked from the first film.
• 29:34
  And the wife of the original creator
• 29:38
  apparently still owns the trademark and is super lawsuit happy.
• 29:41
  If anyone ever tries to like use Eleanor or even tries to paint their Mustang
• 29:46
  that color, she like just sends an army of lawyers after him.
• 29:49
  It sounds like an asshole. Yeah. What color? Vaguely silver.
• 29:52
  Yeah. Like the specific paint with a specific stripe.
• 29:54
  She like and we'll never know. The 70s were in black and white.
• 29:58
  This has never been tried because she just sends so many threatening
• 30:01
  like her goons out that people just they're like, I don't want to have
• 30:05
  to pay to deal with this, but she always takes these people's cars.
• 30:09
  There was a guy online who was building a like robo car of Eleanor
• 30:14
  and she sent her goons out and they like took it and he still doesn't have it
• 30:18
  because he doesn't have the money to fight that lawsuit.
• 30:21
  She's she's a. Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:23
  There's a story here. Do we? There is this this lady.
• 30:26
  Oh, we got to go steal Eleanor. Multiple.
• 30:29
  Yeah. Weird little history to this film.
• 30:31
  It's been gone in 60 years.
• 30:34
  I mean, she will die soon, I'm sure.
• 30:36
  That's fair. They never actually like say that in this movie, though.
• 30:39
  What that an old lady is hanging on to the.
• 30:41
  Yeah. Now they never talk about that.
• 30:43
  That thing that happened years later.
• 30:44
  No, but the God in 60 seconds, which I assume is just like
• 30:47
  if you're stealing a car, you want to be gone in 60 seconds.
• 30:49
  Oh, I know this because I did the research. Yeah.
• 30:53
  So when they're at the
• 30:56
  the impound lot behind them is a sign from the original movie that says,
• 31:00
  if you leave your car unlocked, it will be gone in 60 seconds.
• 31:04
  Yeah. And now, you know, dear listeners, background posters.
• 31:08
  That's where the story is.
• 31:09
  The story in this is all about that air tank
• 31:12
  that gets dropped and pinballs off of four different cop cars in the final.
• 31:17
  That chase scene is great. It is resolved.
• 31:20
  It's got everything.
• 31:20
  It's got construction workers who don't give a fuck.
• 31:23
  Yeah, I really wanted to see like a plate glass being
• 31:26
  oh, yeah, parted across the street.
• 31:28
  We get a or a painting of an alleyway that they drive into.
• 31:31
  I mean, it's practically there. The wrecking ball like slams a cop car
• 31:35
  through a wall. Are you OK, man?
• 31:38
  Good. Are you OK, man?
• 31:41
  Yeah, because you just went through a wall.
• 31:45
  Another quotable moment.
• 31:46
  Yeah, it was good.
• 31:47
  Something about this movie that really got me is like Nicholas Cage
• 31:50
  really is the straight man through the movie.
• 31:53
  Everybody else has some like fun character piece to them
• 31:58
  or like moment and he just doesn't.
• 32:02
  The closest he gets is like dry humping Angelina Jolie in a car.
• 32:07
  That's it. I really enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun.
• 32:10
  That's the thing about it.
• 32:11
  It's like there's nothing to sink your teeth into.
• 32:14
  There's no story. There's no.
• 32:16
  Well, I mean, there's a story, but it's like summed up in two sentences.
• 32:21
  But but it is fun.
• 32:22
  It's well designed action and it has a good pace.
• 32:27
  Yeah, it's car porn.
• 32:28
  Yeah, there's not a lot of meat on the bone, but damn fine bone.
• 32:32
  So I asked my wife if she wanted to watch this with me and she's like,
• 32:34
  No, I've seen this like eight times in 15 minute intervals on TBS over the years.
• 32:39
  That's how I'd seen this movie before.
• 32:40
  Yeah. And that's rough.
• 32:43
  Why not as it was intended to be consumed, certainly.
• 32:45
  But commercial breaks in an action movie.
• 32:48
  Kill me because it drains all momentum from the movie.
• 32:53
  I feel sorry for her.
• 32:54
  If she wants to come over and watch it, we can.
• 32:56
  Oh, bring her on for.
• 32:57
  Well, never mind.
• 32:58
  I guess we don't know if this goes forward or not.
• 32:59
  I was like, bring her on for the second season.
• 33:01
  There you go.
• 33:02
  I thought you were going to imply that the podcast fails.
• 33:07
  I don't know if this is going to keep going.
• 33:08
  I was like, Oh, yeah, you're right.
• 33:09
  This could be the last episode.
• 33:10
  Er, er, er.
• 33:12
  Ouch.
• 33:13
  What do you guys put it on the diagram?
• 33:15
  The good cage, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, really?
• 33:17
  Caged movie, bad, good.
• 33:19
  I am not working well today.
• 33:20
  No, it's morning.
• 33:21
  Morning suck. Yeah.
• 33:23
  I feel good about the cage and good about the movie.
• 33:27
  Yeah, I would agree.
• 33:29
  Yeah, not cage is best performance, but far from his worst.
• 33:32
  Yeah.
• 33:33
  Mid cage. Really fun movie.
• 33:36
  Ghostwriter, spirit of vengeance.
• 33:37
  I love it.
• 33:39
  I'm done.
• 33:40
  That's all I got to say. Good.
• 33:42
  All right. I also kind of loved it, weirdly enough.
• 33:44
  It's fucking wacky and I am here for it.
• 33:47
  So this is from the same director as Mom and Dad and the crash films.
• 33:51
  Crank. Crank.
• 33:52
  Yeah. Crash is very different.
• 33:55
  Crank films.
• 33:57
  And by and large, this film is shot as if it's like a mid range
• 34:01
  BBC action drama until you actually get to the action scenes,
• 34:06
  at which point it goes off the fucking rails and I am 100 percent here for it.
• 34:11
  I really enjoyed it.
• 34:12
  I'm concerned that it got misplaced in our bracket.
• 34:16
  Like it could have been a fucking weird one.
• 34:18
  Yeah, it probably should have been.
• 34:20
  It fits fine in both because it is good action.
• 34:23
  There's, you know, motorcycle riding.
• 34:26
  There's oh, OK.
• 34:29
  When he turns that vehicle like at the quarry,
• 34:32
  that one of his yeah, into one of his hell beasts.
• 34:35
  It's like, oh, that thing is so cool.
• 34:37
  I literally when they first comes up on the screen, I'm literally like,
• 34:39
  there's no way that's a real thing that looks way too menacing. Yeah.
• 34:42
  And then I went on the Wikipedia page and they're like, yeah,
• 34:44
  this was the heaviest land vehicle for like 20 years in the earth.
• 34:48
  So we were Sean and I were walking the other day
• 34:50
  and we were talking about how everything turns into a hell vehicle.
• 34:54
  Right. And Ghost Rider, how many miles did you go, by the way?
• 34:56
  Oh, we're getting dangerously close.
• 35:00
  So in Ghost Rider one, we know from the old rider
• 35:03
  that the horse can become a hell horse.
• 35:05
  Yes. So literally anything can become a hell whatever.
• 35:08
  So I was like, could we just like jump on
• 35:11
  Sean's shoulders and turn him into a horse?
• 35:14
  What if he's taking a dump and he like pushes a little too hard?
• 35:17
  And then the toilet flames out and he's just riding a hell toilet.
• 35:21
  I love it. That's pretty good, too.
• 35:23
  Not a vehicle, though.
• 35:24
  I mean, it's a vehicle for poop, but Sean is definitely a vehicle.
• 35:28
  It's a vehicle for deep thoughts.
• 35:30
  So spirit of vengeance, Nicholas Cage is back as Johnny Blaze, the ghost rider.
• 35:40
  He has been running from his deal with the devil,
• 35:42
  trying to get away from himself and find a cure
• 35:45
  only to wind up trying to track down the son of Satan
• 35:48
  to save him from becoming the devil's form on Earth.
• 35:53
  Also starring Idris Elba with the worst French accent ever.
• 35:58
  He was nominated for an award for that, like a real one, not a Razzie.
• 36:00
  Really? No. Uh huh.
• 36:02
  Why? I don't.
• 36:04
  It wasn't a BAFTA, but it was like a knockoff BAFTA.
• 36:06
  OK. No, she wasn't a real American award for a decent French accent.
• 36:12
  I had to think about what BAFTA stood for.
• 36:14
  It's British Academy of Film and TV Actors.
• 36:18
  OK. Was it a British Razzie?
• 36:21
  I don't think so.
• 36:22
  They got nominated for a lot of Razzie's, too, though.
• 36:23
  Yeah. What was up with his contacts?
• 36:26
  Like his eyes were just weird.
• 36:27
  Why did he need weird contact with your eyes?
• 36:29
  Yeah, it's strange.
• 36:31
  But I liked him. He was just a drunk French dude.
• 36:34
  Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 36:35
  Especially at the end when he's like, got the super old bottles of wine.
• 36:38
  Yeah, I love when they.
• 36:40
  So go good on a salad.
• 36:41
  That was fun.
• 36:42
  I think when Peter and I discussed this a little bit, my description of this film is
• 36:46
  it's Ghost Rider with a lower budget, but they spent the money correctly
• 36:51
  in that they spent the money on the action scenes.
• 36:54
  Everything else that isn't an action scene is very hammy, very over, like overly dramatic,
• 37:00
  overly acted.
• 37:01
  The supporting cast is you have Giles from Anthony Stewart Head from Buffy
• 37:06
  as a priest who dies in five minutes.
• 37:09
  And then later, you have the Highlander, who, according to IMDB, did three months of sword
• 37:13
  training for this movie, which I'm like, bullshit.
• 37:16
  I think I believe that because the way he whips that sword around when it all goes dark
• 37:21
  after, you know, he's trying to behead her or whatever, or behead the kid like that looks
• 37:25
  professional. Well, the only.
• 37:27
  But he's the Highlander. He shouldn't need to train.
• 37:29
  Right. So the only reason the sword play, I think, looks better in this film than it
• 37:32
  does in the Highlander is that man is legally blind.
• 37:34
  So if they just put him in a great place, he's going to be like, oh, I'm going to be
• 37:37
  blind. So if they just put him in a dark room and they're like, look cool with a sword,
• 37:41
  easy when he has to like sword fight with live steel against someone else, they have
• 37:44
  to stand five feet away from each other because he can't see what he's doing.
• 37:48
  Most people have to stand like five feet away from each other in a sword fight.
• 37:52
  This isn't the blindness thing. Most people have to stand pretty close.
• 37:55
  You're thinking of knife fights. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
• 37:57
  What if you have one of those like Sephiroth swords that are really long?
• 38:00
  Oh, yeah. OK. Well, then you could probably stand nine feet away from each other.
• 38:05
  Cool.
• 38:06
  It's not a direct sequel.
• 38:08
  It's more of a reboot.
• 38:09
  Yeah, it feels like a soft reboot.
• 38:11
  Yeah. Peter Fonda was interested in coming back for this.
• 38:15
  I read I thought he was dead at this point.
• 38:17
  Yeah. Oh, apparently he was interested in coming back to play the devil again.
• 38:21
  Read five pages of the script and said no.
• 38:23
  Well, I don't blame him.
• 38:24
  I mean, there actually is not much of a script to this movie.
• 38:26
  That's the biggest fault to it.
• 38:27
  But I fucking hated Ghost Rider one.
• 38:30
  And I thought this movie was a blast and it because it was nothing.
• 38:33
  It was popcorn. It was candy in my mouth.
• 38:36
  And then at the end, I was like, I could have more candy.
• 38:39
  And it was sub 90 minutes.
• 38:40
  And it was an hour. 29.
• 38:42
  It's so fucking nice. Yeah.
• 38:44
  That is refreshing.
• 38:45
  Nick Cage is not in great shape in this film, but he's in the leather jacket
• 38:48
  the whole time, so it doesn't really matter.
• 38:50
  I love the fact that he's just kind of like this old beaten down like Ghost Rider.
• 38:55
  The style in this, though, is cool, man.
• 38:57
  Like I liked it. Yeah, I like the insertion of like the little animated bits.
• 39:02
  Yeah. Or illustrated bits.
• 39:03
  Oh, really?
• 39:04
  I thought it was a fine way to like tell us more, John.
• 39:08
  Frequent listeners of me and not this podcast will know that I've done
• 39:12
  a little bit of writing and like that just strikes me as such lazy.
• 39:15
  Like, yes, I realize the writing in this movie is blah, blah, blah.
• 39:18
  Also, can we talk about why?
• 39:20
  Because the writers that were involved in this movie are like accomplished writers.
• 39:24
  There's no reason this should be this bad.
• 39:26
  Yeah. Probably time limits.
• 39:28
  They're like, we'll pay you for a movie in like
• 39:32
  give us a movie in a week, two weeks. Yeah.
• 39:34
  I mean, we're talking about the people that did Batman.
• 39:38
  The good ones.
• 39:39
  David S.
• 39:39
  Goyer. Yeah, David S. Goyer wrote this.
• 39:41
  He's also written the worst of the blades.
• 39:43
  He directed Blade Trinity. I love Blade Trinity.
• 39:46
  I kind of like Blade Trinity, too.
• 39:47
  It is the worst of the blades, though.
• 39:50
  But I think it's because I like What's Her Face.
• 39:52
  I just like Round Rounds. I was going to say, right.
• 39:54
  Oh, no, not Beal.
• 39:56
  The bad vampire villain.
• 39:58
  I like the bad girls.
• 39:59
  Was it Parker Posey? Is that who it is?
• 40:01
  I think so. Parker Posey, such a bad girl. Real bad.
• 40:05
  Yeah. I was thinking of January Jones.
• 40:07
  Oh, she's a bad girl, too.
• 40:09
  I just like calling girls bad girls.
• 40:11
  Sean, you're a bad girl. Thank you.
• 40:14
  You know, spanking.
• 40:15
  Balls, big round balls.
• 40:19
  So yeah, Johnny Blaze has to get Danny, the son of the devil.
• 40:22
  I'm just going to go back to it.
• 40:24
  I was like, fuck you guys.
• 40:26
  I'm not a bad girl.
• 40:27
  I said, thank you.
• 40:28
  I said, when you say you're going to spank me.
• 40:32
  OK, this is another movie where the plot doesn't fucking matter.
• 40:35
  The devil Rourke wants Danny because they can do a soul transfer
• 40:39
  and then the devil can have his full power on Earth.
• 40:42
  That's the story.
• 40:43
  Nothing. It doesn't matter.
• 40:44
  Johnny's trying to track him down.
• 40:46
  And the deal is Idris Elba's.
• 40:49
  Clandestine monk group can remove the ghost rider from him.
• 40:52
  But it turns out they really only needed Idris Elba
• 40:55
  because the rest of the monks didn't help.
• 40:57
  Yeah, they just wanted to kill it.
• 40:59
  Yeah. But like what kind of assholes are they that they wouldn't just do that
• 41:01
  for free?
• 41:02
  They're supposed to be some kind of weird Christian monk order thing
• 41:04
  like seems like eliminating a hell demon from the surface of the earth
• 41:08
  would be kind of up their alley.
• 41:10
  Yeah, but face tattoos aren't cheap.
• 41:12
  And they had a lot of face tattoo.
• 41:13
  They did have a lot of.
• 41:15
  Apparently, Chris Lambert hated the makeup so much
• 41:18
  that he just didn't take it off and would just go back to his hotel with that.
• 41:21
  I think that's what the decay guy did as well,
• 41:24
  because his makeup went from like very thick and white at the beginning
• 41:28
  towards the end. It was like kind of pink and sweaty.
• 41:31
  Yeah. Blackout.
• 41:33
  Oh, OK. Yeah.
• 41:35
  Things are showing through the scenes a little bit in terms of the.
• 41:37
  You can see where the budget was, and it was on one.
• 41:40
  The ghost rider looks fucking awesome.
• 41:42
  Yeah, I completely agree.
• 41:44
  Any like we said, any vehicle he rides in this becomes a hell vehicle.
• 41:48
  And like Danny's even like, well, what if you get in a taxi?
• 41:51
  What if you ride a camel?
• 41:53
  Hell taxi. I really wanted him like I want a ghost rider movie
• 41:57
  where he gets in a monster truck.
• 41:59
  I want to see him drive Grave Digger.
• 42:01
  Well, I want.
• 42:02
  Here's the thing is to be so sick alarms bouncing around.
• 42:05
  This movie had truckasaurus.
• 42:08
  Hell truckasaurus.
• 42:09
  This movie had so many great little ideas that I really wish it
• 42:12
  would have done well off to get a third one of these films for sure.
• 42:14
  With these same directors, that would have been so much fun
• 42:17
  to let them do what they did, but with an actual budget.
• 42:21
  You write a letter to Kevin Feige.
• 42:23
  Yeah, it's funny because it so the budget was like
• 42:26
  anywhere between that says 57, 17 and 23 dollars.
• 42:30
  Somewhere between 17 and 23.
• 42:32
  And it did make a profit.
• 42:33
  It made 132, which, you know, you had advertising and all that stuff.
• 42:36
  It's like that's not great money, but it wasn't a fucking bomb.
• 42:40
  Well, it wasn't the states, though.
• 42:41
  This took international box to cover.
• 42:44
  This was the second and last film under the Marvel Nights imprint
• 42:48
  where they were trying to do slightly darker movies.
• 42:51
  Punisher Warzone being the first, which was an R rated Punisher film
• 42:54
  starring Ray Stevens, which I love. Same.
• 42:56
  And this, which was originally supposed to be R rated.
• 42:59
  And then Sony got cold feet and made them make a PG-13.
• 43:03
  That's sad. This would have been way cooler.
• 43:05
  I was R rated. Yeah.
• 43:06
  The coolest thing about this film is if you watch the making of this movie,
• 43:11
  the directors are like both cameramen and the way they got
• 43:16
  a lot of those motorcycle stunt scenes where like you see the wheel up close.
• 43:19
  The director's just sketching the blades on the back of the motorcycle
• 43:22
  holding the camera. Yeah, it's wild.
• 43:24
  So the scene where Idris Elba goes over the cliff director
• 43:28
  holding on the motorcycle, riding behind it and just let's go
• 43:32
  at the last second and just goes around that turn.
• 43:34
  And the other director is in a harness over the cliff
• 43:37
  that slingshots him back with a camera with the stunt man coming at him.
• 43:42
  It's insane. Yeah, those guys are pretty crazy.
• 43:44
  I've got it written down and like that was the coolest shot. Yeah, for sure.
• 43:48
  That's so bad.
• 43:50
  And when they're when they're doing the stunts on the road,
• 43:53
  when like Johnny is trying to show off to Danny, same thing.
• 43:56
  He's sketching like a get behind the motorcycle and just like letting go
• 44:00
  and the other motorcycle stunt man just right by him.
• 44:04
  Watching how they film this movie is insane.
• 44:07
  I just want to say I haven't heard the word sketching since the last time
• 44:09
  I played Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, I think.
• 44:11
  I've never even heard it until right now, and we heard it about 15 times.
• 44:15
  So there was also
• 44:16
  there was a sketching and stitches.
• 44:18
  There was a yes, they do.
• 44:20
  Probably. Yeah, there was a sketching video at one point.
• 44:23
  Oh, weird. Yeah, that is weird.
• 44:25
  All I know is rollerblades are dumb.
• 44:28
  You're more of a roller skate man. Whoa.
• 44:30
  Hot take hot takes. Tell us more. Hot takes.
• 44:34
  Oh, I hate those inline wheels.
• 44:36
  One time I was. OK, so here's a rollerblading start.
• 44:39
  I was rollerblading down this hill in the town I grew up in.
• 44:44
  I was maybe like 12.
• 44:46
  So it was OK for me to be on rollerblades.
• 44:48
  I'm going around this corner, and I didn't want to be on the street
• 44:51
  because it was a pretty blind corner.
• 44:54
  It was a really steep hill and sharp corner.
• 44:57
  So I'm going down the sidewalk because I knew nobody ever walks up that hill.
• 45:01
  And as I'm getting down, there's a funeral home at the end,
• 45:05
  and somebody was just pulling out of the funeral home.
• 45:07
  And they like I'm going maybe like 35 on my rollerblades.
• 45:12
  And this car pulls out and it's like, fuck,
• 45:15
  I'm going to hit them in like 40 feet.
• 45:18
  And there was just a chain link fence next to me.
• 45:20
  And without thinking, I just grabbed the fence and just clothesline myself.
• 45:25
  Like this hand got like kind of like caught in the chain links.
• 45:29
  I just like go up and then hit myself like right down on the ground,
• 45:33
  like maybe seven, eight feet from the corner where this car is.
• 45:37
  And they just kind of looked and then pulled out and left.
• 45:39
  I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?
• 45:42
  12 year old, too. Yeah.
• 45:43
  I'm just dying on the side of the road.
• 45:45
  You gravel embedded into your arm.
• 45:48
  So you said something interesting there and that it was OK.
• 45:50
  You're on rollerblades because you were 12.
• 45:52
  So I'm curious, are you saying you were old enough or young enough
• 45:56
  to be on rollerblades? What's the appropriate age to rollerblade?
• 45:59
  I think you can rollerblade up until.
• 46:03
  Twelve and a half.
• 46:04
  And then you have to go into classic roller skates.
• 46:07
  No, then you should either be skateboarding or taking the bus.
• 46:12
  Like those are your options.
• 46:14
  I'm getting back to this because I do love this movie.
• 46:18
  Nicholas Cage is outstanding in this.
• 46:20
  Like he's worked with this director again.
• 46:22
  This director just wants him to go fully cage when he's a ghostwriter.
• 46:26
  It's two speaking lines, but it doesn't really speak like the one.
• 46:29
  He's the ghostwriter.
• 46:30
  And it's cool that he was doing, you know, the motion stuff for the ghostwriter.
• 46:36
  Doesn't really play.
• 46:37
  That's Nick Cage. It doesn't really need to be Nick Cage,
• 46:40
  especially because they do a lot of like speed up, slow down,
• 46:42
  because the spirit of vengeance is is an insane fallen angel.
• 46:48
  So they really play up that spirit of the Vengeance,
• 46:53
  that the ghostwriter is just toying with people.
• 46:55
  So there's just he's just standing there, just swinging his chain
• 46:58
  and just like swaying back and forth while everyone's like,
• 47:01
  what the fuck is going on?
• 47:02
  Yeah, some of that was kind of weird, but I did love the physicality
• 47:06
  that he brought, especially with the head motions, because very jerky.
• 47:10
  And doing a Stevie Wonder at one point. Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:14
  But it looks good for, you know, something that doesn't have muscles like.
• 47:18
  Yeah, maybe it's doesn't do.
• 47:20
  There's no weird pointing.
• 47:21
  He doesn't do that. Oh, I know. We're so sad about that.
• 47:24
  I really miss his weird point from the first movie.
• 47:25
  That's the only thing I liked from the first movie.
• 47:27
  Peter and I were talking about how perfect it would have been at the end
• 47:30
  when he like goes to heal Danny and he's like, and then he like hands
• 47:34
  and it's like, oh, it should have been a pointing heel.
• 47:37
  This movie has also the it's the first time that they have an in universe
• 47:43
  reason for a Nick Cage performance because the demon is has gone insane.
• 47:48
  So Nick Cage just goes full on crazy.
• 47:52
  He just gets to be an insane person. Yeah.
• 47:54
  And thank goodness, because that's what we were all missing in life
• 47:56
  was an actual justification for Nick Cage has.
• 48:00
  Have any of you seen the stills of him in the Ghost Rider scenes?
• 48:06
  No. So Nick Cage.
• 48:09
  I mean, I paused it a few times.
• 48:10
  No, not that the CG like him on set as the Ghost Rider.
• 48:15
  He showed up on set, not telling anyone
• 48:18
  with full Baron Smedy makeup from Live and Let Die.
• 48:22
  So he had like witch doctor makeup, like white, white face
• 48:26
  with like blackout over his eyes and stuff to get more in character,
• 48:30
  which serves nothing to the movie.
• 48:33
  He just did that. Yeah, it helps him.
• 48:35
  Yeah, that's fine.
• 48:36
  It's just like fucking crazy person. And I love it.
• 48:38
  Are you saying you've never done that?
• 48:42
  Insane performance, insane action when the Ghost Rider gets blown up
• 48:45
  for the second time and he's just floating three feet above the ground
• 48:49
  and slowly spinning.
• 48:50
  Yeah, I was wondering if that was something like I haven't read
• 48:54
  a lot of Ghost Rider comics or anything.
• 48:55
  So I don't know like where his weakness is or anything like Venom
• 48:59
  has his sonic kind of weakness.
• 49:02
  Does the Ghost Rider have like a flash bang version?
• 49:07
  In the first one, it was daylight made him turn back into like
• 49:11
  regular Johnny Blaze, but they don't really fuck with that.
• 49:13
  Well, they do in the very beginning.
• 49:15
  They're like, that's right.
• 49:16
  Yeah, the Ghost Rider doesn't like the light.
• 49:18
  And it's when Danny gives him his powers back that he can go out in the day.
• 49:22
  Also, the fact that a movie of this era, a lot of CG heroes
• 49:28
  or a lot of CG action at the end of the film brought daylight.
• 49:30
  They're like, no, none of this darkness.
• 49:31
  We're not going to show you what's happening.
• 49:33
  Broad daylight Ghost Rider fight.
• 49:34
  Well, they had to save the darkness for all the.
• 49:37
  What was that guy's name? The rotting guy.
• 49:40
  Blackout blackout.
• 49:41
  Well, it makes sense.
• 49:43
  Yeah, the blackout scenes for the blackout.
• 49:45
  What was with those? I didn't.
• 49:47
  I don't know.
• 49:48
  The character in the comics power is he can just make anywhere he's at.
• 49:51
  Just pitch black so no one can say.
• 49:53
  Cone of darkness. Yeah, kind of.
• 49:56
  His power to just anything he touches just rots instantly.
• 49:58
  Except the Twinkie, except the Twinkie used, which is hilarious.
• 50:02
  Just by the way, that was very.
• 50:03
  Joke. But that led me to think who eats Twinkies like that?
• 50:06
  Because he just like puts it in his fucking mitt
• 50:09
  and like pops the bag by squishing it and then go gurgling into his mouth.
• 50:13
  He was driving it in once at the time he was busy.
• 50:16
  I can open a Twinkie and drive the fastest way to get a Twinkie in your mouth.
• 50:21
  Yeah, we have to use the plastic to. Yeah, that's fair.
• 50:24
  And I just swallowed the whole thing.
• 50:26
  Oh, I do love how deadly his chain was and how it was just splitting people
• 50:31
  in half and burning them up.
• 50:32
  But where was his penance there from the beginning?
• 50:36
  He does it to one guy, but they don't really show an effect.
• 50:39
  Yeah, there was no effect.
• 50:40
  It just kind of looked like he was staring people down and like
• 50:44
  enjoying watching them be afraid.
• 50:46
  Was that the guy who had like an illegal download or whatever?
• 50:49
  And because of it, they show up and he's like spirit of vengeance
• 50:54
  shows up while he's on Napster.
• 50:55
  And he's like, did you pay for that?
• 50:59
  I do want to say
• 51:01
  when the second fight with Kerrigan at the quarry,
• 51:05
  Kerrigan sees the penance there, seeing he's like, don't look at him.
• 51:08
  So the next time they meet up and like Nick Cage is holding him by the face,
• 51:11
  the actor plays Kerrigan is looking everywhere else,
• 51:13
  like is directly trying not to look into Ghost Rider's eyes.
• 51:16
  I thought that was a nice little touch. Yeah.
• 51:18
  I felt a little seen at the beginning, though, when it was like the
• 51:21
  it was like the voiceover exposition thing.
• 51:23
  And then the eyes like stare at you and break the fourth wall.
• 51:27
  I was like, oh, what did I do?
• 51:29
  The legal downloads, baby.
• 51:31
  Yeah. This isn't my quote, but I did write that down because I did like
• 51:34
  I did like that.
• 51:35
  Don't put this in, but I definitely was fired.
• 51:39
  Yeah, he's going to come for you now.
• 51:42
  And you don't want to be around when that happens.
• 51:44
  You see, there's good and bad in all of us.
• 51:46
  Maybe you're not a murderer.
• 51:48
  We've all done something.
• 51:49
  You don't want the writer to see a white lie and the legal download. What about you?
• 51:56
  I bet Lars Ulrich got them to put that line in there.
• 51:59
  Fucking Lars. Yeah, he's the worst.
• 52:01
  He's the worst Metallica.
• 52:05
  It's like Metallica, like a Voltron.
• 52:07
  Yeah, basically, I think I guess all bands are kind of like a Voltron.
• 52:12
  Variously important, important appendages. Yeah.
• 52:14
  Like, what was it? Def Leppard?
• 52:16
  They didn't need the one arm.
• 52:18
  Oh, man.
• 52:21
  First, a joke that a story joke.
• 52:23
  I have a joke and a story, actually.
• 52:25
  So when I was in Def Leppard.
• 52:27
  So what I got to remember this right.
• 52:29
  What has nine arms and sucks?
• 52:33
  Def Leppard, because he's missing.
• 52:38
  So when I was living in Montana, I was I lived in Missoula
• 52:43
  and I was going to Billings for a Def Leppard show and I got pulled over.
• 52:47
  And because I was doing somewhere around like 95 or something on the freeway,
• 52:52
  which you think is fine because the speed limits like 80 in Montana.
• 52:56
  But I got pulled over for doing that.
• 52:59
  And it was just so weird to me because like towns and cities are so far apart
• 53:03
  there that I didn't get a ticket.
• 53:06
  He had a credit card reader and I paid $40.
• 53:09
  That was my fine.
• 53:10
  And then I left. No court appearances.
• 53:13
  It's just $40 fine. Keep going.
• 53:16
  Did you get a message? Mexico?
• 53:17
  Yeah, I got a receipt.
• 53:18
  That's pretty efficient, though. I kind of like that.
• 53:20
  Yeah. So what if you contest it, though?
• 53:23
  Then you would probably have to go in and pay the money.
• 53:26
  Yeah, that would be like a couple hour drive.
• 53:29
  Yeah. All right. Let's let's get our quotes in.
• 53:31
  OK, I've got a couple, so I'll just put some in here and there.
• 53:35
  We just do it off the dome. I'll sprinkle them in.
• 53:38
  No, I've got my own here.
• 53:40
  But we did this all off the dome, Peter.
• 53:42
  You have everything. No notes.
• 53:44
  No notes. One of my favorites is just at the end
• 53:49
  when the ghost rider knocks Kerrigan off the car and then they run him over.
• 53:53
  And then ghost rider just looks back and he's like, roadkill.
• 53:57
  Oh, yeah, that was the second line. Yeah.
• 54:02
  That was a good one.
• 54:03
  Mine is let me get something straight.
• 54:07
  The guy who kidnapped Danny and tried to kill you and blew me up
• 54:10
  chugs a bunch of pills with grenades.
• 54:13
  You two were like boyfriend and girlfriend.
• 54:17
  The follow up line to that was a no, I get it.
• 54:21
  You have the devil's baby mama.
• 54:23
  I like that one. That was my.
• 54:25
  So my my quote is when Johnny and what's the devil's baby mama's name?
• 54:34
  Persephone. I also was looking at this and I was just thinking like this.
• 54:37
  Nadia does not pass the Bechtel test.
• 54:40
  Now, she's the only there's like one other woman in the entire thing.
• 54:44
  And she's like a gas station attendant or something.
• 54:47
  We know more about the fact that she's Romani than.
• 54:53
  Well, OK, she plays up every poor stereotype of gypsies.
• 54:59
  True. In the world, like, you know, she is going like she robs a guy.
• 55:05
  Her and Danny like steal some guys wallet and like wedding ring
• 55:10
  when he tries to hit on her and they're always she's the worst.
• 55:14
  I hate her.
• 55:16
  But you never like her name's forgettable.
• 55:18
  But she's a gypsy.
• 55:21
  So which is not a good term to say. Correct.
• 55:24
  Kerrigan is kidnapped, Danny.
• 55:26
  This is after the first ghost writer scene, but before the quarry.
• 55:29
  And they're questioning a thug who knows Kerrigan and they've seen that.
• 55:32
  They've been texting.
• 55:33
  So Nick Cage, like puts the phone in the guy's mouth and goes,
• 55:38
  Kerrigan must have told you about that thing that killed the men last night.
• 55:41
  Huh? Yeah. That thing is inside of me.
• 55:44
  See, you're a bad man.
• 55:47
  And this thing, the writer, he feeds on bad men and he's hungry.
• 55:51
  He's hungry than he's been in years.
• 55:52
  That's why I'm shaking.
• 55:53
  Because right now, the only thing that's standing between you and the writer is me.
• 55:57
  And he's just he's scratching at the door,
• 56:01
  scratching at the door.
• 56:05
  And he'll tell me what I want to know.
• 56:08
  I'm going to let him out.
• 56:09
  And when he's done with you, there won't be anything left of you.
• 56:11
  Understand? Yeah.
• 56:13
  The scratching at the door line, that was the one time in this movie
• 56:16
  that I was like, come on, I still like it.
• 56:20
  I loved it.
• 56:21
  So bad. Yeah.
• 56:25
  So, yeah, I got a couple more that I'll just bang out real quick.
• 56:28
  But seeing I can't remember what led up to it, but he's just writhing on the floor.
• 56:33
  He just says, Merry Christmas, you assholes.
• 56:39
  They end the movie with
• 56:42
  a conversation like, is it over?
• 56:43
  It's like, I'm going to say, yes, hell, yes.
• 56:47
  Oh, fucking dumb. Come on.
• 56:50
  I thought it was perfect.
• 56:51
  Yeah, it is good.
• 56:52
  But my favorite quote or my favorite line, probably
• 56:56
  they're sitting like in a diner or something.
• 56:59
  And it's Nick Cage and Danny.
• 57:01
  And Nick goes to like brush the kids hair for some fucking reason.
• 57:05
  I don't know why, but he like reaches out and the kid
• 57:08
  like kind of pulls back and Cage is just like.
• 57:12
  It was a bee.
• 57:13
  I thought it was going to sting your face.
• 57:17
  It's like you're inside.
• 57:18
  There was no fucking bee. Why are you trying to touch children?
• 57:21
  Come on. The spirit of Vengeance is going to have some words with you.
• 57:25
  I just want to I do also just love the opening little thing.
• 57:29
  My name is Johnny Blaze.
• 57:31
  I used to ride a motorcycle for a living.
• 57:33
  I did a bare ass 360 triple backspin in front of 22,000 people.
• 57:38
  It's kind of funny. It's on YouTube. Check it out.
• 57:42
  They should have made that for YouTube.
• 57:43
  Everything about this film is amazing.
• 57:47
  It's pretty.
• 57:47
  I know, John, you don't like the like little
• 57:50
  illustrated illustrated like things.
• 57:52
  I mean, it's just again, I think that's a more of a budgetary thing
• 57:55
  than anything else.
• 57:56
  Everything about this movie, especially as a ghostwriter fan,
• 57:59
  just fucking hit for me.
• 58:00
  Well, and for me, so the big thing, like, again, as I mentioned,
• 58:02
  I hated the first one in this one.
• 58:04
  It felt like a comic book.
• 58:06
  It was light on, you know, a lot of things, but it didn't matter.
• 58:10
  Like I had enjoyment the entire time and that really made a difference for me.
• 58:14
  It feels like the most comic book Marvel movie that I've ever seen.
• 58:17
  I have one criticism, only one criticism of this movie.
• 58:21
  Only 90 minutes.
• 58:22
  Steve Buscemi was underused.
• 58:25
  Why was Nadia an accomplished sniper at the end?
• 58:30
  Why did she have a fucking sniper rifle?
• 58:32
  And why was she just nonchalantly picking off motherfuckers?
• 58:36
  The run of your people are very skilled.
• 58:39
  Where did she get it?
• 58:40
  Are you going to tell me she stole it?
• 58:42
  That's racist.
• 58:43
  Then she get it from Idris Elba.
• 58:45
  Then you have the whole arsenal.
• 58:46
  Yeah, probably in the basement. Yeah.
• 58:47
  With the wine. Oh, yeah.
• 58:49
  Oh, yeah. I'm usually like, I'm hating you less more.
• 58:51
  Oh, she like
• 58:53
  to good cage, good movie, bad kids, bad movie, good, bad, bad, good.
• 58:58
  A bad cage. Good movie.
• 59:01
  Interesting. Outstanding cage.
• 59:04
  Good movie. I love what he's allowed to be wacky.
• 59:07
  Yes, but are we?
• 59:10
  OK, we've never talked about actually what these bubbles in the diagram are.
• 59:14
  I don't think it matters.
• 59:15
  Is it a good performance?
• 59:17
  A good, good acting? Is it good?
• 59:20
  This movie is actually like kind of a bad movie.
• 59:22
  Yeah, it's a terrible movie, but it's a lot of fun.
• 59:24
  That's terrible.
• 59:26
  No, I mean, the acting is very over the top and wacky
• 59:28
  and it's not like a deep performance, but it's exactly what it's supposed to be.
• 59:32
  I feel and it was better than the Ghost Rider take from the first.
• 59:36
  Yes. And it's very entertaining.
• 59:38
  So, yeah, he's this is like probably the cagiest we've ever seen him
• 59:42
  where he's just allowed to go full on just himself in a Ghost Rider movie.
• 59:46
  Yeah, definitely that.
• 59:51
  I enjoyed him thoroughly.
• 59:53
  So in terms of just pure enjoyment, I'm going to say great cage.
• 59:56
  And what for the movie? Great movie. Great. Great.
• 59:59
  John, what do you think?
• 1:00:01
  Uh, I'm pretty close to Sean.
• 1:00:04
  I'd say, you know, great cage bad movie like this.
• 1:00:06
  His acting in this was simultaneously bonkers and also amazing.
• 1:00:12
  Yeah, it was exactly what I wanted out of Nick Cage.
• 1:00:14
  If this isn't like this is the best version of everything
• 1:00:17
  people make fun of Nick Cage for in terms of acting.
• 1:00:19
  Yes. And I mean, I agree.
• 1:00:22
  It's what I wanted from the movie.
• 1:00:24
  It's not a good performance.
• 1:00:26
  OK, no, you're right.
• 1:00:28
  It's not, but it's still fun.
• 1:00:29
  Yeah. And that's fine.
• 1:00:30
  I'm totally in on that bad performance, bad performance.
• 1:00:35
  Good result. Good result. OK, I like that.
• 1:00:38
  Yeah, bad performance, but in the Venn diagram, a bad movie or bad cage,
• 1:00:43
  good movie, you have Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance in the butthole. Yeah.
• 1:00:49
  You heard it here first. Right in the pocket.
• 1:00:50
  This is the butthole of Nick Cage movies and you're going to love it.
• 1:00:53
  You're going to eat it up. You millennials.
• 1:00:56
  So without John, what do you where would of these two?
• 1:01:00
  What would you again?
• 1:01:01
  Your opinion does not matter, but what would you put forward?
• 1:01:04
  This is actually really hard because like we were saying, Gone
• 1:01:06
  in 60 Seconds is actually like a pretty decent movie.
• 1:01:09
  It's just totally unremarkable, whereas Spirit of Vengeance is
• 1:01:15
  a bad movie that's inexplicably good.
• 1:01:18
  Like if it was a minute longer, it wouldn't be good anymore.
• 1:01:21
  It does. It does know when to stop. Yeah.
• 1:01:24
  I think you should send
• 1:01:28
  Spirit of Vengeance on the jobs.
• 1:01:31
  I'm inclined to agree.
• 1:01:32
  It's the more they're entertaining for different reasons.
• 1:01:36
  But this is like I love the spectacle of it so much more.
• 1:01:39
  And it's I had so much more fun watching it and rewatching it.
• 1:01:42
  It was simultaneously not as great as I built it up to be.
• 1:01:46
  Having only seen it in theaters.
• 1:01:48
  Oh, we didn't even talk about the flame thrower.
• 1:01:50
  He's done. Yeah.
• 1:01:51
  Like your favorite part of the movie is the flamethrower.
• 1:01:54
  P and you didn't even talk about it because there's so much other stuff
• 1:01:56
  to talk about in the cell.
• 1:01:58
  I mean, they show it twice. Yeah.
• 1:01:59
  They did get a lot of screen time.
• 1:02:02
  But I like I remember seeing this.
• 1:02:03
  I saw this movie in theaters when it came out and I loved it then.
• 1:02:07
  You went on it. Was this a date?
• 1:02:09
  No, I went to too fast, too furious on a date.
• 1:02:13
  I know we've been dating for a while, but I still walked out of the movie.
• 1:02:18
  This was before my love for the fast franchise.
• 1:02:21
  I mean, too fast, too furious was a tricky one.
• 1:02:24
  Yeah, that was a big, big shift.
• 1:02:25
  Yeah, I I hadn't seen the first one.
• 1:02:28
  I didn't even think about that.
• 1:02:29
  I saw this movie in like South San Francisco.
• 1:02:33
  I got out of the theater at like 11 o'clock to have a bunch of texts
• 1:02:37
  from Meredith who had locked themselves out of their house in Oakland,
• 1:02:40
  like lost their keys, was locked out of their house, locked out of their car.
• 1:02:43
  So I had to drive like 40 minutes to Oakland
• 1:02:46
  to help them break into their house.
• 1:02:49
  Good thing you had your hell car and my crime jacket.
• 1:02:51
  Speaking of the crime jacket and the ghostwriter crime jacket,
• 1:02:55
  one thing I picked up is when his head is on fire, the jacket boils.
• 1:02:58
  Yeah, the shoulders boil.
• 1:03:00
  I was like, that was cool.
• 1:03:01
  Yeah, the finish on that leather jacket is pretty fucked up.
• 1:03:04
  Yeah, because of all the other times.
• 1:03:05
  Anytime he's not ghostwritered out, it's just fine.
• 1:03:09
  I mean, the the leather is kind of peeling.
• 1:03:11
  Yeah, I want to say, you know, spirit of vengeance.
• 1:03:15
  I mean, in terms of a cage performance, it's the cagiest of performances.
• 1:03:20
  Well, it looks like we got 12 minutes to argue.
• 1:03:22
  So no, I'm kidding.
• 1:03:23
  I'm perfectly fine with spirit of vengeance.
• 1:03:25
  That I think that'll be a fine movie, a little misrepresented in the bracket.
• 1:03:30
  But it is still works.
• 1:03:33
  Yeah, it's just a weird action movie.
• 1:03:35
  So it works in both.
• 1:03:37
  But yeah, it's much weirder than I remembered it being.
• 1:03:41
  I just remember the straight action parts of it.
• 1:03:43
  Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  So spirit of vengeance may move forward.
• 1:03:47
  Sweet. I feel good about that. Nice.
• 1:03:50
  I don't know if there's any real this week in cage, but I know spirit
• 1:03:53
  or sympathy for the devil comes down.
• 1:03:55
  You guys are going to go.
• 1:03:56
  It came out yesterday. Yeah.
• 1:03:58
  So well, yesterday being the day before we recorded.
• 1:04:02
  So came out on the 28th of July.
• 1:04:04
  There you go. That's the time that came out.
• 1:04:06
  So Nick and I are going to watch this at some point and record a little.
• 1:04:09
  Our thoughts on this week, we're going to do a Peterless record.
• 1:04:12
  Yeah. Yeah. Godspeed.
• 1:04:14
  He to me. Yeah.
• 1:04:15
  Drop a couple sound bites down for us and we'll just insert you somewhere.
• 1:04:19
  Oh, good. Yeah.
• 1:04:20
  I've been waiting to say, we'll just insert you somewhere for most of my life.
• 1:04:25
  Guys, focus. Yeah.
• 1:04:29
  So we'll just record you doing one of these.
• 1:04:32
  Perfect. Yeah, that's the best jerk off motion recorded ever.
• 1:04:35
  Just send us the raw audio of that time.
• 1:04:37
  You yelled at us when you're going to go straight.
• 1:04:39
  Oh, man. Yeah. We'll insert that in there.
• 1:04:43
  God, that was a bad episode.
• 1:04:44
  Yes. So we've got a.
• 1:04:45
  Sare for the devil is out now.
• 1:04:47
  Yep. We're starring Nicholas Cage and Joel Kinnaman.
• 1:04:51
  We will record something on that.
• 1:04:52
  Nick is dead by daylight. The LC, I think, finally came out.
• 1:04:55
  Yes, I've been seeing photos of that people playing online.
• 1:04:58
  So if you play dead by daylight, go play as Nicholas Cage
• 1:05:02
  and listen to all those weird Nicholas Cage lines.
• 1:05:04
  I listen to a bunch of them.
• 1:05:05
  Yeah. You sent us a clip from YouTube that was like 20 minutes of just the audio.
• 1:05:10
  Just his audio files.
• 1:05:11
  Being like, come on.
• 1:05:14
  Yeah. Are you kidding me?
• 1:05:17
  Which is probably good fodder for like clipping into other things.
• 1:05:21
  We should use that. Yeah.
• 1:05:22
  Well, take that Nicholas Cage.
• 1:05:24
  You're going to be on our podcast whether you like it or not.
• 1:05:28
  Oh, come on.
• 1:05:31
  And I don't know what else is going on in Nick's world.
• 1:05:36
  You're talking about you.
• 1:05:37
  Oh, maybe.
• 1:05:39
  That's the sequel to Bobby's World.
• 1:05:42
  Bobby's World. Bobby's World.
• 1:05:44
  God, I haven't thought about Bobby's World forever.
• 1:05:46
  That's the only time I ever think about Howie Mandel.
• 1:05:48
  Do you remember the Louie Anderson cartoon?
• 1:05:50
  Oh, yeah, that was great.
• 1:05:51
  That was pretty good. I love that.
• 1:05:52
  Yeah, I remember the episode where he went to camp, which is kind of like camp.
• 1:05:56
  Yeah, yeah. It's just all ages camp.
• 1:05:59
  The line from that show that always that's where you get diddled.
• 1:06:02
  This is like.
• 1:06:04
  Little brother just saying, told you I could eat a whole stick of butter.
• 1:06:07
  Oh, fun story. Well, not really a story, but fun fact.
• 1:06:10
  I used to eat butter straight as a little kid.
• 1:06:12
  My parents had to keep the butter off the counter.
• 1:06:14
  Oh, you went for soft butter.
• 1:06:16
  Yeah, it is like counter butter.
• 1:06:19
  You didn't have counter butter.
• 1:06:20
  Oh, no, I still counter butter. But if I was just eating a stick of butter,
• 1:06:23
  I think I might want like a refrigerated stick.
• 1:06:27
  I feel like it would grease my mouth too much if I went softened butter.
• 1:06:32
  Yeah, but I don't know. I'll have to try it.
• 1:06:33
  Salted or unsalted.
• 1:06:34
  I don't remember. I was like four.
• 1:06:36
  Mm hmm. I'm an unsalted butter guy. Me too.
• 1:06:39
  John, do you have anything you want to plug unsalted butter?
• 1:06:42
  Yeah, John Brand's unsalted butter.
• 1:06:44
  Good. Get it wherever you podcasts are sold.
• 1:06:48
  Perfect. Excellent.
• 1:06:49
  Thank you for being here.
• 1:06:51
  Thanks, John. This is a lot of fun.
• 1:06:52
  Yeah, so yeah, next up, we've got matchstick men and guarding tests.
• 1:06:58
  Yeah, so anyway, thank you for listening.
• 1:07:00
  Please rate, review, subscribe.
• 1:07:02
  If you'd like to throw any money at us, we are on Patreon at CageMatch.
• 1:07:05
  Or you can find us on the street.
• 1:07:06
  You could do that, too. Yeah.
• 1:07:08
  But ask first, because I don't want you giving money to some rando.
• 1:07:11
  Yeah, that's true.
• 1:07:12
  There's a lot of people that look like Nick. Yeah.
• 1:07:15
  But yeah, thank you to our Sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico,
• 1:07:18
  Matt and Adam and to our cage dancers, Ira, John and Freeman.
• 1:07:21
  Hey, that's nice, John. Yeah.
• 1:07:23
  I paid my way on here.
• 1:07:25
  That's the only way you get on this show.
• 1:07:27
  Do you want to talk about flaming piss again? Always.
• 1:07:31
  With my doctor, though.
• 1:07:34
  Bye bye.
• 1:07:35
  Bye bye.
• 1:07:48
  What was that? Was that a butt?
• 1:07:50
  That was my toe, my sweaty toe squeaking against the wood chair.
• 1:07:54
  Yeah, nice.
• 1:07:55
  See if I can do it again.
• 1:07:57
  No, no, it's a.
• 1:07:59
  Fortunately, we caught the audio, so I'll isolate that.
• 1:08:02
  The most entertaining strip clubs I've ever been to are the ones
• 1:08:06
  with the acrobatic strippers. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Fantastic.
• 1:08:09
  They start clicking their heels. That's obnoxious.
• 1:08:11
  Yeah. Roller skating strippers are pretty good.
• 1:08:13
  Oh, that's a new one.
• 1:08:15
  I would like to see some tap dancing strippers.
• 1:08:17
  OK, so what you're talking about is burlesque.
• 1:08:18
  Really? You would definitely see a tap dancing.
• 1:08:20
  Oh, yeah. I should go to Dante sometime down in Portland.
• 1:08:24
  They do. Well, I don't know if they're still doing it, but they used to have a thing
• 1:08:28
  on Sundays called Sinferno.
• 1:08:30
  And it was like a huge burlesque show had like go go dancers.
• 1:08:34
  There was a guy that would just show up with a snake like he'd have his boa constrictor
• 1:08:38
  and he just walked the audience.
• 1:08:40
  There was like close up magicians in the audience and burlesque dancing.
• 1:08:44
  It was fucking sick. That sounds awesome.
• 1:08:46
  There's like indoor fire pits.
• 1:08:48
  OK, I'm in. Yeah. Dante's was rad.
• 1:08:51
  What I want. But what I want is like the level of like a high school talent show,
• 1:08:55
  like people with bad talents.
• 1:08:57
  Just doing them topless. Oh, so you just want me to do the podcast topless?
• 1:09:02
  Yes. OK. So have you ever seen somebody like on their first nights or weeks?
• 1:09:08
  No. OK, so let me just start this off with culturally in Portland,
• 1:09:14
  strip clubs are not as weird for people to just go to as in some other cities.
• 1:09:21
  I remember being in Portland once and going into a restaurant, getting a burrito.
• 1:09:24
  And then I was like, I got to eat a burger.
• 1:09:26
  I'm getting a burrito. And then I was like, I got to use the bathroom.
• 1:09:28
  They're like, just go through there.
• 1:09:29
  And it was you walked through the strip club. Yeah.
• 1:09:31
  It was like, oh, OK.
• 1:09:33
  There's owned as strippers, erotic or exotic dancing.
• 1:09:37
  So it's not like a sex industry thing.
• 1:09:40
  It's a dance industry thing.
• 1:09:42
  I've been to some where, you know, they would have somebody out
• 1:09:45
  for their first week or whatever.
• 1:09:48
  And there was this one girl.
• 1:09:49
  This is the most memorable one.
• 1:09:51
  She comes out and like very uneasy on her, like eight inch heels
• 1:09:57
  and kind of like gets up there.
• 1:09:59
  She does her piece, which is mostly just holding on to the bar for support
• 1:10:05
  while she kind of like wiggles and rides in a circle around it.
• 1:10:09
  Never like did any pole work.
• 1:10:11
  Never did any.
• 1:10:12
  Like she did a little bit of ground stuff, but she wasn't real good at that either.
• 1:10:16
  People had left some money up there,
• 1:10:18
  but she couldn't like bend over to pick it up in her heels.
• 1:10:22
  She wasn't good enough.
• 1:10:22
  So she had to like kind of tiptoe off the stage and get out like holding her clothes.
• 1:10:28
  And another stripper came up and picked up all the money for her and brought it back.
• 1:10:32
  And it was just the saddest thing I've ever seen.
• 1:10:35
  And I'll never forget or ever stop talking about the time I saw a lady's first strip.
• 1:10:43
  How do you know it was her first, though?
• 1:10:45
  Yeah, maybe she did. They say that.
• 1:10:47
  Yeah, they did not say it, but I'm going to hope that it was her first
• 1:10:50
  because if it was like second or third and she couldn't even figure out
• 1:10:53
  how to lay on the ground and shake her butt.
• 1:10:56
  You need a clip, shake her butt and just drop that in occasionally.
• 1:11:01
  Shake her butt, shake her butt, shake her butt.
• 1:11:03
  You guys don't have a soundboard.
• 1:11:05
  We should. Yeah.
• 1:11:07
  No, no, I mean, not that kind of soundboard.
• 1:11:09
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:11
  Well, well, well, well, well, only when we're on Discord.
• 1:11:15
  Yeah, then we can bust them out.