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The Lifetime Ban of George Steinbrenner · Sports History Network

• 0:18
  Derek, who's the worst boss you've ever had?
• 0:23
  No names, only experiences.
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  We don't want to.
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  We don't want to out the worst boss you've ever had.
• 0:29
  Even though it was Becky at Blockbuster, wasn't it?
• 0:32
  Oh, had to be.
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  You were there for Becky, right?
• 0:36
  Was who?
• 0:38
  Well, we only had.
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  We had Chris and Becky.
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  Now, a little bit background.
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  Derek and I met or didn't.
• 0:42
  No, I'm sorry.
• 0:44
  Yeah, yeah, we met.
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  We met at Blockbuster a couple times.
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  Like, socially.
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  Yes.
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  But we.
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  We.
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  We friendship.
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  We friendship as employees at Blockbuster in the late 90s.
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  And we had two.
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  Two managers.
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  Yeah.
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  The first was awesome in my mind.
• 1:00
  And the second was a little bit.
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  Of she was tyrant.
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  You know, the good thing about Chris was, is that she had a lot going on in her personal life.
• 1:07
  Yes.
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  That took her distraction away.
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  And that allowed us to eat unlimited Twizzlers, snacks, and then also to enjoy unlimited Dr.
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  Peppers.
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  Sit around.
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  We were typical late teenage, early 20s blockbuster employees.
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  Don't make like.
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  I don't want anyone to get this sense, like, we were horrible employees.
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  This is what everyone was doing.
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  And you're right.
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  She had too much going on to where we were kind of saints in her life, probably.
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  Even though we were probably horrible employees for.
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  In.
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  In some regards.
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  But then the next boss comes in.
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  I didn't wait for her, Scott.
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  Okay.
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  I quit before she.
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  Because I knew her reputation.
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  Yeah.
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  And I wanted no part of it.
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  I didn't have a whole lot.
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  I feel like six, eight months I was there while she was still.
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  She was much more the hammer.
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  She was much more like, how do I become my boss?
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  So I felt like she did everything with a little bit of eye on impressing the person right over or whatever.
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  I remember coming into Rent at one point and you were there with her, and she guilt tripped me about quitting.
• 2:17
  Yeah.
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  And she just kept saying, it's because of me, wasn't it?
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  And I was like, no, I just wanted to get into school.
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  But then you would wink at me.
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  Well, then I started working for Chris at the other block.
• 2:27
  Yes, that's right.
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  Went over there.
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  Yeah.
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  Because again, we haven't gotten a whole lot into movie stuff here, but Derek is the movie genius.
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  He's the movie genius in my life.
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  He's someone I depend on for movie input.
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  And that really all started right there at Blockbuster.
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  And I'll tell you, Derek, just in case I've never told you this before, and we're getting off topic already, and we're throwing a big Tangent out.
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  But just.
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  My favorite movie ever, ever is the Big Lebowski.
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  Number one, Right?
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  No doubt about it.
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  Perfect.
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  No doubt about it.
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  And I would have never in my life used one of my five free employee rentals on the Big Lebowski when I was working at Blockbuster Video.
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  But Derek, we.
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  We'd.
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  We'd.
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  Friendship already at that point.
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  We'd hung out, we bawled.
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  We all.
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  All this stuff, right?
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  And so Derek knew me enough to say, hey, man, you should try this one out.
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  You might like it.
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  And it was instant.
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  Derek.
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  It wasn't like some movies where it's like, you watch it 10 times, you're like, this is amazing.
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  It was instant.
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  I fell in love immediately.
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  I still this day, love the movie would stop anything I'm doing to watch it.
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  And.
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  And that's where I was just like, this guy gets it.
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  He gets it.
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  Not only does he get movies, but he gets recommending it.
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  And so Derek's always been the movie genius in my life.
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  It was a good first impression to make.
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  We were like, hey, it was.
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  You provided me my favorite movie.
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  Is it.
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  Is it kind of a risk, though?
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  Did Big Lebowski seem like a risk?
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  Because then I've tried to do that with other people.
• 3:57
  Yeah.
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  And after they watch it, they're like, either I fell asleep or I've got one friend that, like, the first seven times we tried to watch it, he would fall asleep, and he never falls asleep during movies.
• 4:08
  I just.
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  I mean, I feel like I wreck.
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  You either get it or you don't.
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  Yeah.
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  It's had a negative.
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  Enjoy the taste of wine or you don't.
• 4:17
  Yeah.
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  Like, it's just your palette.
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  But how often do you think you would.
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  Oh, I don't know.
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  I mean, I.
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  I kind of, like, I wouldn't.
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  I would recommend things to you that I wouldn't recommend to, say, my dear cousin that's in our book club.
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  Sure.
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  Like, I wouldn't.
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  I wouldn't tell her.
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  I wouldn't think that she would be enjoying the Big Lebowski.
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  No.
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  No.
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  So, I mean, like, you kind of.
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  You gotta know.
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  Yeah.
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  Like.
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  Like, I kind of know what I can suggest to you or to her or to Alan.
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  And probably there is separating.
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  And this is where I think it falls for me, is I think so highly of the Big Lebowski.
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  I don't understand it when anyone doesn't like it, much less love it, or I watch it with someone, they're like.
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  And I'm like, what.
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  What's wrong with you?
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  Yeah.
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  I used to get really upset about that, but I've.
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  I've.
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  Yeah, I've relented.
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  Like, I just kind of shrug and it's just like, that's your loss.
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  That's the opposite.
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  So mature.
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  So back to the bosses.
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  Yeah.
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  Because this episode, Derek, is about who maybe you could call the worst boss in the history of Major League Baseball sports is a hard argument.
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  We're going to get to that.
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  Are we sure that March shot, at least in the modern era, doesn't have.
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  A.
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  I don't know.
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  I think it's really close.
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  March shots.
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  Definitely horrible.
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  And we've talked about that and we're going to get into it a little bit more in the coming.
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  I think we can all agree, agree that Steinbrenner was racist.
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  Like, there's a lot of racism with the.
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  With the Winfield situation.
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  However, he may not have done as bad a job at.
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  At masking it as Mark shot was just overt.
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  She didn't have Nazi memorabilia.
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  I don't.
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  I think there was some of that.
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  There was definitely a point where she said Hitler was just misunderstood or something like that.
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  Why is there always a FAS with Nazi Germany with these guys when they're like, no, Yeah.
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  I just read minecomp a couple of times.
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  What's the big deal?
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  It's like that.
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  Have you ever seen that scene?
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  Did you see that scene in succession where Tom has, you know, Tom's the Fox News head and he's basically got to bring the journalist in to say, you know, to find out if he's a Nazi and he has
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  to tiptoe around.
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  He's like, I read mine comp a little.
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  You know, I'm interested in my experience.
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  Explain to me what you mean by interested.
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  It's a good back and forth.
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  Succession.
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  I recommend succession to everyone.
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  To everyone.
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  Even our cousin in book club.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  Everybody.
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  Everybody.
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  I just.
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  I.
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  The more you and I or the more I just dug in and read things and I was just blown away that.
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  Me too.
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  And I think thought he could get away with all of this.
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  All this.
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  But then everything.
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  Right.
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  I mean, he was truly a tyrant.
• 6:59
  Yeah.
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  He was, dare I say, Trumpian.
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  Yeah.
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  I think too, like, the reaction.
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  I know we're getting ahead of ourselves, but let's just dive in.
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  The reaction of Yankee fans when he was banned.
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  So the topic of our conversation today is the 1990 quote, end quote, lifetime ban of George Steinbrenner over a bribery scheme or a.
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  He's.
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  How would you phrase this?
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  It's so Seedy.
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  It is so weird.
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  But basically, he paid a guy to try to dig up dirt on Dave Winfield in order to get out of Dave Winfield's contract.
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  He didn't want to pay Dave Winfield.
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  Yeah.
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  So basically.
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  For ego reasons, too.
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  It's not like he's trying to get out of it because of, I don't know, who's our guy right now that's catching all the heat?
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  Is it Cody Bellinger?
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  Who's, who's playing not living up to their contract?
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  That's been the meme.
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  Vlad Guerrero.
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  Okay.
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  Like the last.
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  All these guys, three days.
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  It wasn't like Winfield was severely under producing or anything like that.
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  No, no.
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  It was truly ego.
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  I think, I think.
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  Didn't, didn't he say that basically, you know, that Steinbrenner, basically, within the first month of signing him, basically was like, I'm running you out of here.
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  Yeah.
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  Like, I don't like you.
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  Yeah.
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  Which is.
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  I bet he was that way with managers.
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  He was just that way, period.
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  He definitely was.
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  I mean, you, you know, he, he rode Billy Martin out of town more.
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  Times than fired and hired him, what?
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  Yeah, four or five times.
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  I mean, it was just.
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  Do you remember his Saturday Night Live appearance?
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  Do you remember him?
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  I mean, he hosted it.
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  Yes, but just there's a, there's a famous sketch in there, if you're a baseball fan of stuff.
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  Steinbrenner being the boss of, like, a bodega and talking about how he has to, like, how insane would it be to have a boss that hires and fires and hires and fires, poking and poking fun at himself.
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  Yeah, but.
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  And it's just, I don't know, it is part of who he is.
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  And what's interesting on that is, like, and I, I, I listened to a lot of the book that we talked about.
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  Mike Vaccaro.
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  Yeah, I believe so.
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  And one of the things that you really get out of that, too, was though, like, with Billy Martin, for example, being the main one here, is that he truly did love Billy Martin.
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  Like, he, he loved him.
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  And I think it was just like that's how he was.
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  He was just kind of like flying off the handle.
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  Zero patience, giant ego.
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  And I think when you throw all that into one guy that has millions of dollars at his disposal, it just becomes a mess.
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  And I think Winfield got the best of him.
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  Yeah.
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  In the contract, he felt 100.
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  I think he felt screwed over from the beginning.
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  I think he hated the little clause where he had to give money to Winfield's foundation.
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  Yeah.
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  I I think.
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  And this is where he found Spyra, right?
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  Is it Spyra or Spira?
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  I think it's Spiro.
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  Okay.
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  I believe.
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  But I don't know.
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  I'm going or no, I guess Aspira.
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  Howie.
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  Let's just call him Howie.
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  Okay.
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  I'm gonna say the CD character that was basically doing the legwork to try and defame Winfield for the benefit of Steinbrenner, basically.
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  Right?
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Just the absolute little.
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  Can whatever.
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  Can we just get in?
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  I, I know we're like, I've asked for a time crunch on this, but the Steinbrenner story, like he was a coach.
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  He coached football at Northwestern in Purdue.
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  And then his father said, hey, I got a shipbuilding business.
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  Why don't you come on in here?
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  Yeah.
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  And he just started printing money.
• 10:46
  Yep.
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  And then he, he basically bought the Yankees in 1973 for $10 million.
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  He put in 170 grand of his own money.
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  That was it.
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  Yeah.
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  And.
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  And a couple things there.
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  One, he's in Cleveland, he's not in New York.
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  There's not a real tie to the Yankees necessarily other than the Yankees were the Yankees as they are still.
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  But the quote I love the most from that point was after he bought them.
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  His quote was, I won't be active in the day to day operations of this baseball club at all.
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  I'll stick to ship building.
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  I'll build 1973.
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  He said that after he bought the Yankees.
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  You know, like the, the, you know, I don't know if you've anybody that has any association with Chick Fil A, but I'm pretty sure, like Chick Fil A, like you put 15 grand in and that's it.
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  And then there's a, you know, there's some pretty advantageous.
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  There's an advantageous business arrangement for Chick Fil A, and that's the reason they make all their money.
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  But 15 grand off the top, like they don't want you to be in debt.
• 11:50
  Exactly.
• 11:51
  This felt like the Chick Fil A deal of major league baseball.
• 11:56
  Yes.
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  Bought the Yankees in 1973.
• 12:00
  I know that's post mantle and all the, the heyday, but like he literally put down what.
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  He put down.
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  2%.
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  Yeah.
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  I.
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  How do you pay.
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  How do you put down 2% for a.
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  For the New York Yankees?
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  I mean, and I mean, just thinking about from that, that standpoint till now, like what the Yankees are worth now.
• 12:26
  Oh, I mean, like if I could rewind and just be like, hey, dad, buy the Yankees.
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  Yeah.
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  It only takes.
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  Yeah.
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  You're gonna have to take a second mortgage or whatever.
• 12:39
  But that's really all it takes at this point, you know?
• 12:41
  Well, I always think that with, like, stocks.
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  Yes.
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  It's like, why didn't you just put all of it in that?
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  That's like.
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  Well, yeah, we didn't have that much, pal.
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  But more than anything, just by the Yankees, just somehow by the Yankees.
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  Just by the Yankees, by the.
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  By the Cowboys.
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  What's the big deal?
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  Yeah, it's a growth business.
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  Yeah.
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  So he buys the team in 73.
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  Yeah.
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  Not going to be part of the day to day that doesn't last long at all.
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  He basically entrenches himself in it also kind of gets a little bit of the limelight, I guess, that comes with being the owner of the New York Yankees.
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  This guy from Cleveland that's building ships that none of us would care about, basically.
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  And now all of a sudden, he's the owner of the New York Yankees.
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  Everything that comes with that, and he builds pretty quickly.
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  He's part of some great Yankees teams in the.
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  In that mid-70s.
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  Right, right.
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  Yeah.
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  So they go the World Series, get swept in 76 by the great Cincinnati Reds.
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  They're good.
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  77, 78, all the way into the early 80s.
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  That's basically.
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  They lose to the Dodgers, Reggie Jackson.
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  Yeah.
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  And that's what pissed Steinbrenner off, right?
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  Yes.
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  Yeah, they lost to the Dodgers.
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  Yes.
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  And what year?
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  80, right?
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  I believe so.
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  Yeah, I believe so.
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  But that's what that also, I mean, he was just obviously a tyrant.
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  So all that set him off.
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  Yeah.
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  They won the world series, though, 77, 78.
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  Yeah.
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  Get swept by the Reds, win back to back, and then in 80, I believe it was, they lost the Dodgers.
• 14:18
  We're doing this in Scott's living room, and I'm looking outside, and Scott, there is large sprays of water coming from your pool.
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  We're wrong, Derek.
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  Dang it.
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  We're wrong.
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  What was.
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  I hate it when we're wrong about sports on our own sports podcast?
• 14:39
  Well, the thing is, it just did it a couple times.
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  I'm sorry, Scott.
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  I didn't mean for you to get up.
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  Oh, okay.
• 14:43
  No, you're good.
• 14:44
  The thing is, is that, like, this happens on every podcast I do, which is we.
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  I.
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  I can't anticipate where we're going with things.
• 14:51
  Yeah.
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  So I don't have the information on hand.
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  Therefore, we have to guess.
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  Yes.
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  And that.
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  And that's going to lead us to be wrong from time to time.
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  Yeah, I.
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  And Now I'm just completely scrambling.
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  It was 81.
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  Okay.
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  The Dodgers in 81.
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  We were very close.
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  Save your emails.
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  Little disheartening.
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  Save your emails.
• 15:14
  There was one point in my life I don't know if you.
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  I don't even know his name.
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  There's this kid on Instagram that's like this amazing sports knowledge.
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  Whatever.
• 15:23
  He's maybe like 16, 15 years old, and he wants to be a sportscaster.
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  All this stuff.
• 15:27
  But anyways, his thing is, like, he'll go on this other show sometimes and they're like National League MVP go.
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  And he'll just start with like, 1947 and go to press.
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  Like somebody with presidents.
• 15:41
  Exactly.
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  And I used to be that kid.
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  Does he know?
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  Catch me on the 1980 World Series.
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  And now I kind of like.
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  It wrecks me a little bit there.
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  It wrecks me.
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  But that's fun.
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  It's fun.
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  It's also 47 years.
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  Six.
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  46 years ago.
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  Like 45 years ago.
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  You got to give yourself some grace.
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  Yeah.
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  And we've had a lot going on since then.
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  We had the blockbuster, all that stuff.
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  Stuff.
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  Yeah.
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  True.
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  Labowski.
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  Yeah.
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  So, yeah.
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  Fired and rehired Billy Martin five times.
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  Constantly humiliating his players.
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  Basically loved using the media.
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  Yeah.
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  And really the messages.
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  Controlling his GM to the point where he was the gm.
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  It was like the GM was worthless because it was even more worthless than the manager.
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  Some great stories post band.
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  And I know we'll probably touch on this a little bit, but.
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  Yeah.
• 16:31
  There are some people that argue that Steinbrenner basically getting banned for three years allowed the GM not to be forced to trade people.
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  Yeah.
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  We're going to keep Steinbrenner said, go shop Bernie Williams.
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  Yeah.
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  And the GM was like, I am not trading Bernie Williams.
• 16:52
  Yeah.
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  He.
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  So he called every team.
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  Did you see this?
• 16:55
  Yes.
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  He called every team.
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  Never talked about Bernie Williams and said, hey, nobody wants Bernie Williams.
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  Yeah.
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  Because we didn't talk about it.
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  Exactly.
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  Nobody asked about him.
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  Nothing.
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  So I'm.
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  He's.
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  He's gonna stay here and then becomes, you know, a pillar.
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  So it's just.
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  It's.
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  You know.
• 17:13
  Yeah.
• 17:14
  Well, Steinbrenner was never in the mindset of build.
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  Right.
• 17:19
  It was always.
• 17:20
  It was when Now.
• 17:21
  Yeah.
• 17:21
  Win at all costs.
• 17:22
  There's deal.
• 17:23
  Any bright shiny prospect for an old.
• 17:27
  A lot of times the.
• 17:29
  Has been beyond their prime.
• 17:31
  But a name kind of.
• 17:32
  You know, and really that J.
• 17:34
  Buer trade that continued famous well into the.
• 17:37
  90S, even in the early 2000s, that approach and it was his kind of shadow, I think that was always cast and making that.
• 17:44
  No, there's a famous scene in Seinfeld.
• 17:47
  I know you're, I don't think you're a sign Seinfeldian, but there's a famous scene where George appears to be dead.
• 17:53
  So Steinbrenner goes to George's parents house to tell him that George is dead.
• 17:57
  Yeah.
• 17:58
  And George's dad is just, it's Ben Stiller's dad, Jerry.
• 18:02
  He is just rocking back and forth and then all of a sudden he just jumps up and screams at Steinbrenner.
• 18:10
  Why did you trade Jay Buhner and Steinbrenner is like Ken Phillips.
• 18:14
  Ken Phillips.
• 18:14
  We thought, we, we thought, we thought it was like, you know, he's just.
• 18:18
  His son is dead.
• 18:19
  He cannot handle the fact that, that Jay Buer like is.
• 18:23
  It's, it's a hilarious scene.
• 18:25
  We rewatched it the other day.
• 18:26
  But it's just like it also embodies what those people thought about Steinbrenner because when he was banned, like there are a dozen news like segments on YouTube of the fans reaction when he was banned.
• 18:40
  Like they, there's standing ovations.
• 18:42
  There are people saying maybe we can get this thing back because they finished that year with the worst record in baseball in 90.
• 18:48
  Yeah, like they were, they were, nobody's going to the games.
• 18:52
  They were lower than low.
• 18:54
  And they thought that this was basically a life preserver.
• 18:57
  Yeah, the fans did.
• 18:59
  And I'm not so sure that the players didn't think that as well.
• 19:03
  Oh, they were very happy.
• 19:05
  The fact that he was not going to be there on a day to day basis.
• 19:08
  But one of the things.
• 19:11
  So basically, do you want to set up why he gets banned?
• 19:17
  Yeah, go ahead.
• 19:19
  Well, I mean I'm just like the whole idea, like again it all comes back to Winfield and the contract and just basically Steinbrenner then trying to weasel his way out of it or whatever.
• 19:34
  A little bit of background on that, a little bit was that Winfield did have a rough 81 at the end of the season, which led Steinbrenner to calling him Mr.
• 19:47
  May as opposed to Mr.
• 19:50
  October.
• 19:51
  Reggie Jackson, who had had some heroic moments for, for the Yankees prior to.
• 19:56
  So basically Steinbrenner and, and part of this contract is Steinbrenner also not only has to pay Dave Winfield, but make mandatory yearly payments to the Dave David Winfield Foundation.
• 20:12
  Steinbrenner basically withholds the hoes.
• 20:15
  Winfield sues Steinbrenner then goes on to how hire Howie Spira.
• 20:23
  A desperate Bronx gambler is the word that I saw written.
• 20:28
  But really, this guy was seedy and just almost like constantly trying to pull the con.
• 20:34
  It felt like he was just a con man to some degree.
• 20:37
  Or a.
• 20:37
  Or a.
• 20:38
  Was a degenerate gambler.
• 20:40
  Yes.
• 20:41
  And basically paid him $40,000 to disgrace Winfield in the end.
• 20:46
  Yes.
• 20:47
  But he was a publicist.
• 20:48
  Yes.
• 20:49
  Did you say that Spiro was.
• 20:51
  Yes.
• 20:51
  Yeah.
• 20:51
  Did you?
• 20:52
  Okay, my bad.
• 20:52
  No, I did not, because.
• 20:54
  But he was a publicist for the Winfield Foundation.
• 20:56
  Yes, exactly.
• 20:57
  And that was the connection there.
• 20:58
  That was the thought that this guy's on the inside.
• 21:02
  I can use him as a mole.
• 21:03
  And Spiro went to Steinbrenner.
• 21:07
  It wasn't the other way initially.
• 21:08
  Spira had been trying to offer up help to Steinbrenner for a while on.
• 21:12
  Multiple fronts, I think for the gambling debts.
• 21:16
  Like, he thought this would be a way to possibly score quick cash.
• 21:19
  Exactly.
• 21:20
  To not get his legs broken.
• 21:21
  Yes, no doubt.
• 21:23
  So basically the whole thing goes awry.
• 21:27
  Faye Vincent, who is the commissioner at that time, just who's really.
• 21:32
  This is very early in his somewhat short tenure as the commissioner.
• 21:37
  Giamani had just died, I believe about a year and a half prior to all of this.
• 21:42
  Hey, speaking of which, can I.
• 21:44
  A quick 30 second aside.
• 21:45
  Yeah.
• 21:47
  I think I have a new look.
• 21:50
  My white well for this podcast is Spike Lee.
• 21:52
  I've been very adamant about that from the show.
• 21:55
  I think my 1B white well, though would be this.
• 21:59
  Your favorite baseball player of all time is Pete Rose.
• 22:01
  I know I'm possibly misrepresenting that you have pushed back on this, but I'm just.
• 22:05
  For the sake of the podcast entertainment,.
• 22:07
  He is not one of my least favorite humans.
• 22:10
  Favorite baseball players.
• 22:11
  Okay.
• 22:12
  Paul Giamatti is 100% certain that his father died due to Pete Rose.
• 22:18
  So we get Paul Giamatti on the podcast and you give him the Tim Brown treatment where he's like, my dad died from Pete Rose.
• 22:28
  You bow up.
• 22:29
  And do you remember that?
• 22:30
  And we just.
• 22:31
  And we just make podcast history.
• 22:35
  I mean, Pete would say, I didn't kill him.
• 22:39
  Right?
• 22:39
  The two to three packs of cigarettes and being 200.
• 22:43
  Yeah, Terry.
• 22:46
  Overweight lifestyle did it.
• 22:47
  But we don't have to go down that road.
• 22:50
  I just put it on the bulletin board.
• 22:52
  Yeah, exactly.
• 22:52
  I like it as a podcast idea.
• 22:54
  I'm sure we can get Oscar nominated Paul Giamatti on the pod to talk about something deeply, deeply personal.
• 23:01
  Yeah.
• 23:02
  Back to Spira.
• 23:03
  That would be so awkward.
• 23:06
  But it would be.
• 23:07
  It would Be good.
• 23:08
  Your play here, Derek should have been to say, hey, we're gonna have him on, right.
• 23:14
  To talk about.
• 23:15
  I don't know, has he had any dealings with any sports movie ever?
• 23:19
  Paul Giamatti?
• 23:20
  Yeah.
• 23:21
  He made a wrestling movie once, I believe, called Win Win.
• 23:24
  Okay, didn't see it.
• 23:25
  But you could say, hey, we're gonna have him on talk about.
• 23:27
  And then you don't tell me and you just say, hey, Paul, Scott's favorite player of all times, Pete Rose.
• 23:34
  Can you give us your thoughts on Pete Rose and the impact he's had on your face?
• 23:37
  And then Scott will defend.
• 23:39
  No, I'm gonna get like some music in the background.
• 23:41
  I'm gonna get my voice real low.
• 23:44
  Be like, Paul, I'm gonna give him the Jim Gray.
• 23:47
  Yes.
• 23:48
  Treatment.
• 23:49
  Love it.
• 23:50
  Hey, Paul Scott loves Pete Rose.
• 23:54
  And then just slowly step away from the mic.
• 23:57
  I'm just imagining super animated upset him.
• 24:01
  Yeah.
• 24:02
  Like, what's the wine movie Sideways?
• 24:04
  You see it a few times.
• 24:05
  Yeah.
• 24:05
  You probably see it.
• 24:06
  I'm not drinking anymore.
• 24:07
  Definitely a specialty of his or whatever.
• 24:10
  And that's what it was.
• 24:11
  He's a good blow up guy.
• 24:13
  I think that's what it would turn into.
• 24:17
  So anyways, Commissioner Faye Vincent.
• 24:23
  Now, the reason, the reason that this comes out is because Spirit gets indicted.
• 24:28
  Yes.
• 24:29
  On eight counts of trying to extort money from Steinbrenner and Winfield.
• 24:33
  Yeah.
• 24:34
  So basically he was playing their groups get together and go, hey, this dude's trying to extort us.
• 24:39
  Yes.
• 24:40
  And the feds are like, oh, really?
• 24:41
  And then that's how all this comes out.
• 24:44
  Exactly.
• 24:45
  Steinbrenner kind of did himself in with the entire plan for the most part.
• 24:50
  If we can get into the weeds for real quick.
• 24:53
  So all this comes out.
• 24:56
  Fay has a hearing with Steinbrenner the day after July 4th.
• 25:00
  It's on July 5th.
• 25:02
  Yeah.
• 25:03
  And basically they have this long.
• 25:07
  I think it ends up being over two days that the transcript is, I believe, is out there.
• 25:11
  It's over 400 or close to 400 pages.
• 25:14
  But basically, Steinbrenner had no answers.
• 25:16
  His, his, his reasoning for being or giving Spirit money changes throughout the deposition.
• 25:24
  I will call it deposition hearing testimony.
• 25:27
  He routes the 40 grand through two law firms.
• 25:30
  He cited sympathy for Spira's money problems.
• 25:34
  He also spot cited a fear that Spira might harm him or his family.
• 25:39
  And also worried that Spiro would expose Lou Pinella's gambling.
• 25:44
  Yes.
• 25:46
  Vincent later cleared Pinella, whose betting amounted to small legal wagers at the racetrack.
• 25:50
  Yeah.
• 25:51
  Lou Pinella at the Racetrack.
• 25:52
  Going to Lou Pinella at the racetrack, like, instantly zoomed up my things that I wish that I could go back in time and do.
• 25:59
  Could you imagine going and betting the ponies?
• 26:02
  That would be a lot.
• 26:03
  It would be a lot of fun.
• 26:04
  And do you know where Lou Pinello was at this point of the band?
• 26:10
  What?
• 26:11
  Do you know where he was with Reds, wasn't he?
• 26:13
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:15
  He was managing.
• 26:16
  And he's just taking champion.
• 26:17
  He's just taking straights.
• 26:19
  He took his distance.
• 26:20
  Took his distance.
• 26:21
  They.
• 26:22
  A couple of key exchanges from the transcript that I wanted to highlight.
• 26:27
  Vincent asked Steinbrenner why he just didn't go to the police.
• 26:30
  And Steinbrenner said nobody could protect him.
• 26:32
  Quote, they shot the president of the United States and they shot the pope.
• 26:37
  So basically he's like, pope, you, the president and the pope.
• 26:42
  Steinbrenner, like, right there with those guys.
• 26:44
  I mean, if they can reach those guys, they can get George Stein.
• 26:47
  Exactly.
• 26:50
  When asked if anybody had warned him that Spyro would use the money to pay off gambling debts, he replied, I never thought of that.
• 26:57
  Okay, George.
• 26:58
  Yeah.
• 26:59
  And then they.
• 27:01
  John Dowd was the investigative.
• 27:03
  Yeah, investigation.
• 27:05
  Yeah, yeah, Investigation.
• 27:08
  Yeah.
• 27:08
  He's the one that wrote the report.
• 27:12
  How do you get that job just to be so, like.
• 27:15
  I don't know, Attorney.
• 27:17
  Right.
• 27:18
  Yeah.
• 27:18
  And.
• 27:18
  And so.
• 27:20
  Yeah, I mean, just to be.
• 27:22
  Because you like, on the Pete thing, he just gets full access to everything.
• 27:28
  He gets full access here too.
• 27:29
  Yeah.
• 27:30
  And it's just kind of like, seems like I wouldn't mind doing that.
• 27:36
  Did you read this?
• 27:36
  That basically Steinbrenner was the president of the u.
• 27:40
  S.
• 27:40
  Olympic committee?
• 27:42
  No, I didn't see anything.
• 27:43
  And the reason that he wanted to walk away, retire before you can fire me and get this ban was that he didn't want to lose that gig with the, like, he.
• 27:55
  He read the cards.
• 27:57
  He knew what was about to happen.
• 27:58
  Sure.
• 27:59
  So he was like, maybe I can save this.
• 28:03
  You know, going into 92 Olympics would have been.
• 28:08
  Yeah, 96 was Atlanta.
• 28:10
  I want to say 92, it's Athens, but I don't think that's right.
• 28:13
  Doesn't matter.
• 28:16
  But basically, Vincent didn't want the lifetime ban.
• 28:19
  No, he wanted a two year suspension, which is ultimately what Steinbrenner ended up getting, more or less.
• 28:26
  And that's that basically he wanted to.
• 28:30
  He was worried about damaging his legacy and he wanted to keep his Olympic committee vice presidency, which he called at the time.
• 28:37
  Steinbrenner.
• 28:37
  The most important thing in my life right now yes.
• 28:40
  More important than the Yankees.
• 28:41
  Scott.
• 28:41
  I can't be accurate.
• 28:43
  The.
• 28:45
  He did not want to be suspended.
• 28:46
  It's kind of like Trump with the impeachment.
• 28:48
  Yeah.
• 28:49
  And that's what Vincent sat down in 2017 for an interview, and he said that he basically did not one.
• 28:56
  One did not want one word out there, which was suspension, and that Vincent tried to talk him out of the deal he brought to him.
• 29:05
  Exactly.
• 29:06
  Steinbrenner basically accidentally got himself suspended.
• 29:09
  I think.
• 29:09
  Yeah.
• 29:10
  I don't think that was even.
• 29:11
  But no, like, Vincent's like, we're gonna do two years.
• 29:13
  And he's like, no, I want a lifetime ban.
• 29:15
  I can't have suspension over my legacy.
• 29:17
  Exactly.
• 29:18
  And even Stein, like, even Vincent, 25 years later was like, is it.
• 29:21
  He's an idiot.
• 29:22
  It was a terrible mistake.
• 29:23
  Yeah.
• 29:24
  The whole thing just seemed like a blunder on Steinbrenner.
• 29:27
  Steinbrenner also is quoted as saying, you know, I wanted to be done with baseball.
• 29:32
  I was fed up.
• 29:33
  They weren't winning.
• 29:34
  They obviously were in the.
• 29:36
  In the doldrums.
• 29:36
  But obviously, too just like, based off of everything we see from Steinbrenner before that, that's just a classic knee jerk.
• 29:42
  Steinbrenner overreaction.
• 29:44
  I'm done with this type.
• 29:45
  Yeah.
• 29:46
  That's what I'm saying.
• 29:46
  He didn't really put any thought through about what would exactly take place.
• 29:51
  Yeah.
• 29:51
  So it's very.
• 29:52
  The entire thing is very indicative of him.
• 29:55
  And his entire time is the owner.
• 29:57
  Of the Yankees, but also very well.
• 30:00
  Vincent the whole time believed that Steinbrenner wanted this lifetime ban as.
• 30:06
  And then would just be puppet master.
• 30:07
  He would just run the team through that.
• 30:10
  He believed that he was going to be able to do that and run the.
• 30:13
  The.
• 30:13
  The team.
• 30:14
  But he blocked.
• 30:15
  Do you see this, Vincent?
• 30:16
  One of the contingencies was Vincent put strict no contact rules.
• 30:20
  Yeah.
• 30:21
  And made employees sign periodic affidavits confirming they had not been in touch with him.
• 30:25
  Exactly.
• 30:26
  Like, under the oath, basically, like, so.
• 30:29
  Anyway, you know, he was still sneaking.
• 30:31
  In there, but Hank Steinbrenner's 33, and right off the bat says, no, I'm not.
• 30:37
  I'm not taking this out.
• 30:38
  I'm out.
• 30:39
  I don't want this.
• 30:40
  He had already worked with his father.
• 30:42
  He was living on an 860 acre horse farm at the time in Florida and was like, this is too good.
• 30:50
  Yeah.
• 30:51
  To.
• 30:51
  To take over the New York Yankees now at 33.
• 30:55
  Like, I'm still an idiot at 33, but I'm like, I Know, slightly above idiot.
• 31:01
  Yeah, yeah.
• 31:02
  I'm running into the ground.
• 31:03
  I mean, you can't run it.
• 31:04
  I mean, it's already run into the ground.
• 31:06
  All you can do is be a hero.
• 31:07
  You can only win.
• 31:08
  You can only win.
• 31:09
  But also, don't you think there was a bit of that where Hank also knew, if I take this, yeah, it means my dad's just going to be riding my ass even harder, probably.
• 31:18
  When asked why he liked horses, Hank said, because the horses don't talk back.
• 31:23
  Gosh.
• 31:27
  As he left Vincent's office, Steinbrenner asked Vincent, so how long will this last?
• 31:35
  After agreeing to a lifetime ban, looked Vincent in the face and said, how long is this going to last?
• 31:42
  Did you see this?
• 31:43
  Yeah.
• 31:43
  And it's a legitimate question.
• 31:45
  I think even though he had just signed a lifetime, I almost feel like even when it dawned on him what had happened.
• 31:54
  Right.
• 31:54
  He had.
• 31:55
  And again, this is the ego and the money, but I think he had no question in his mind that he wouldn't be able to get back in.
• 32:05
  Right.
• 32:05
  For sure.
• 32:06
  Yeah.
• 32:07
  So we talked about the stadium reaction.
• 32:11
  The Yankees were playing Detroit at home, a day game.
• 32:15
  There were no smartphones, so the news started filtering from fan to fan via the transistor radios of the fans listening to the play by play.
• 32:25
  Yes.
• 32:25
  Yeah.
• 32:25
  God bless.
• 32:26
  Radio announcing over the.
• 32:29
  Or the.
• 32:29
  The announcers over the radio.
• 32:31
  Play by play guys announcing that Steinbrenner had a lifetime ban.
• 32:35
  Yeah.
• 32:35
  Fans chanted, no more.
• 32:37
  George drowned out take me to the ball game.
• 32:41
  By switching it to Goodbye, George Chance.
• 32:44
  The Yankees won 6 to 2,.
• 32:49
  And that became the beginning of the dynasty.
• 32:51
  Right there at Mickey Mantle's restaurant, the music stopped for Vincent's announcement on TV and someone yelled, he's out of here.
• 32:58
  Very loudly.
• 33:01
  It is just so wild, though, because they also love him.
• 33:07
  You know what I mean?
• 33:07
  Well, some of the players did love him.
• 33:09
  It sounded like it was a divided locker room.
• 33:11
  Well, and the fans even.
• 33:12
  Right.
• 33:12
  I even feel like when all is said and done with George Steinberg get away from this moment.
• 33:17
  They all give him too much credit now.
• 33:20
  And they feel like there has been a.
• 33:23
  But that is like that's gonna happen with Jerry Jones.
• 33:26
  Yeah.
• 33:27
  Like all of a sudden we're going to.
• 33:29
  It's been 30 years of nothing, Scott.
• 33:31
  He's going to die some sometime in the next five to 10 years.
• 33:35
  Maybe, maybe not.
• 33:37
  And unless he brings a Super bowl in here at some point.
• 33:39
  But he'll be reclaimed.
• 33:41
  He'll be reclaimed.
• 33:42
  No doubt.
• 33:42
  Very, very good.
• 33:44
  It'll Be basically whoever takes over, you know, will finally win some Super Bowls once he's out of there.
• 33:49
  Stephen.
• 33:50
  Yeah.
• 33:51
  And then we'll be like, it's because of the business acumen that Jerry was able to.
• 33:57
  God bless.
• 33:58
  This is not a Cowboys podcast.
• 33:59
  I apologize.
• 34:00
  I apologize.
• 34:04
  Never apologize.
• 34:04
  Derek.
• 34:05
  Star podcast.
• 34:09
  So whatever we want, it is.
• 34:12
  You're.
• 34:12
  You're not wrong.
• 34:13
  There are no rules.
• 34:15
  The Yankees, two weeks after the ruling, played.500 baseball.
• 34:20
  Did you know that?
• 34:22
  Yeah, No, I don't think I knew it.
• 34:24
  I think, I mean, they finished like 67.
• 34:28
  It was like 67.
• 34:29
  Yeah.
• 34:30
  And 95.
• 34:31
  Something like that.
• 34:33
  Which.
• 34:33
  That was the monkey off their back.
• 34:34
  That's what they needed to play 500 baseball.
• 34:37
  Mattingly was constantly hurt past his prime.
• 34:41
  Jesse Barfield wanted to be traded.
• 34:43
  Did you see that?
• 34:44
  Did you have a Toronto Blue Jays Jesse Barfield flashback?
• 34:48
  Oh, I love Jesse Barfield.
• 34:50
  Like, Jesse Barfield and George, like, forever are the initial introduction to the Blue Jays for me.
• 34:59
  Yeah, they were awesome.
• 35:02
  One little Deion Sanders was on this team.
• 35:06
  Yeah.
• 35:06
  He was hitting 1.
• 35:08
  58 at the time.
• 35:09
  As soon as George.
• 35:11
  Now, granted, I know this was already in.
• 35:13
  In the works, but as soon as it looked like the season was lost.
• 35:18
  Yeah.
• 35:18
  He hit the deuces and went to Atlanta to play for the Falcons.
• 35:22
  Yeah.
• 35:23
  And then by 1992, he was playing for the Braves in a World Series and hitting.304.
• 35:28
  Scott.
• 35:28
  1992.
• 35:30
  I don't know if we appreciate how freaking amazing Dion Sanders was.
• 35:34
  We've got to do a pod of Dion.
• 35:37
  Yeah.
• 35:37
  Like, it can just be a general 30 for 30 type podcast.
• 35:41
  We're gonna have opportunities because we're gonna.
• 35:43
  In the 90s, we're gonna come up to the day, I mean, not to completely rip off the 30 for 30, but where he tried to do both in one day.
• 35:51
  Yeah.
• 35:51
  Sorry.
• 35:52
  Which is amazing.
• 35:52
  But there's even more than that there.
• 35:54
  There was that by helicopter.
• 35:55
  Yes.
• 35:56
  Yeah.
• 35:57
  Played.
• 35:58
  God, I can remember being so excited.
• 36:00
  Falcons.
• 36:01
  Yeah.
• 36:03
  I think he did day.
• 36:04
  During the day.
• 36:05
  Oh, Falcons at 12.
• 36:06
  And then showed up for the seven o' clock baseball game.
• 36:09
  Exactly.
• 36:09
  I think you're right.
• 36:10
  But I believe he ends up not playing in the baseball game.
• 36:13
  Right.
• 36:13
  Yeah.
• 36:14
  Probably something that kind of takes a little bit longer and probably when he gets there.
• 36:18
  And I mean, again, at that point, it's playoff baseball.
• 36:20
  You can't do something just for the show at that point.
• 36:24
  But Dion was amazing.
• 36:25
  But I don't know.
• 36:29
  Steinbrenner.
• 36:30
  Sweet, sweet George.
• 36:31
  You know, the one thing, though, I.
• 36:32
  Bet with George Derek, he was freshly shaved every day.
• 36:37
  And that was a rule.
• 36:38
  Yeah, that was a rule for him.
• 36:40
  No facial hair, no long hair.
• 36:42
  The Yankees have relaxed on that last couple years.
• 36:44
  Oh, definitely.
• 36:45
  I think you kind of have to, right?
• 36:46
  Sure.
• 36:47
  But the.
• 36:49
  I wonder sometimes, do you think they used products from our good friends at Sterling Soaps?
• 36:54
  If they didn't, they should have.
• 36:56
  They definitely should have.
• 36:57
  Scott, we had an event the other day and I needed a shave.
• 37:01
  Like, I needed to clean up my beard.
• 37:02
  Yeah.
• 37:03
  I need to get the high parts on the face, low parts under the beard.
• 37:06
  Yeah.
• 37:07
  Pulled out that Sterling soap.
• 37:11
  Mix it up a little bit.
• 37:12
  I think it's called beard.
• 37:13
  Froth it up a little.
• 37:14
  Oh, man.
• 37:14
  Frothed it up a little bit.
• 37:16
  Got a clean shave, no ingrown hairs.
• 37:20
  It was delightful.
• 37:21
  It is.
• 37:21
  It's one.
• 37:22
  It's a great product.
• 37:23
  And we're drinking some of their coffee right now.
• 37:24
  We are drinking some of their decaf coffee in the middle of the day right now.
• 37:28
  And it's splendid as well.
• 37:29
  I'm actually.
• 37:30
  This is.
• 37:31
  I've got enough for one more pot after this.
• 37:34
  Sounds like you need to get on their schedule.
• 37:38
  I believe they do schedules.
• 37:39
  Do they know subscribe and save?
• 37:41
  Yeah, I'm sure they do.
• 37:42
  I need to just set it up.
• 37:44
  But yeah, all their products are outstanding.
• 37:46
  You can check them out@sterlingsoaps.com that's S D T I R L I N G.
• 37:52
  Soaps.
• 37:53
  Soaps or just soap?
• 37:54
  Just soap dot com.
• 37:55
  Yeah.
• 37:55
  All together.
• 37:56
  Sterlingsoap.com they've got all kinds.
• 38:00
  All kinds of, like, scents and smells.
• 38:03
  Amazing stuff for that.
• 38:04
  Plus their roastery stuff.
• 38:06
  Coffee stuff's awesome.
• 38:07
  We love it.
• 38:08
  Sterlingsoap.com yep.
• 38:09
  Check them out.
• 38:11
  So I did want to touch base on one thing, which was Steinbrenner's goodbye.
• 38:17
  So they said it basically for the middle of August that he had.
• 38:23
  That he's gonna get.
• 38:24
  He's gonna leave.
• 38:25
  I think it's the 15th.
• 38:26
  I think is when he leaves.
• 38:26
  Yep.
• 38:27
  20Th was the 20th.
• 38:28
  Okay.
• 38:29
  Yeah, 20th.
• 38:30
  Okay.
• 38:30
  So the.
• 38:30
  On Steinbrenner's final day in power, he brings 100 employees into the Diamond Club for a lunch and tells them we are all still the owners.
• 38:44
  What do you.
• 38:47
  What do you think about that?
• 38:49
  Just above the law mentality, I guess.
• 38:52
  Kind of just giant ego.
• 38:54
  Giant whatever.
• 38:56
  The one of the quotes I had written down that he said was on in that same press conference was, I am here to today to show I am not remorseful.
• 39:04
  I am not in shock.
• 39:06
  Yeah.
• 39:06
  And they asked him, do you think this is a sad day?
• 39:08
  And he went, nope.
• 39:09
  Yeah, I think he knew he would still just be controlling everything and that he basically would just pressure in everyone into line and doing what he wanted them to do in the end couple and even if it didn't
• 39:20
  quite play out that way.
• 39:21
  Hence.
• 39:22
  Right.
• 39:22
  Keeping Jeter, Mariano Pettic, Jorge Posada and what a great.
• 39:29
  What a great sliding doors.
• 39:31
  What a great.
• 39:31
  What if.
• 39:32
  Just think.
• 39:33
  I mean all of those guys, trading half those guys.
• 39:36
  All those guys could have been Texas Rangers.
• 39:38
  He hated Cincinnati Reds.
• 39:39
  Yeah, he hates.
• 39:42
  Who did.
• 39:44
  I'm just kidding.
• 39:44
  We didn't.
• 39:45
  We didn't.
• 39:45
  Yeah.
• 39:46
  It was just a kid from Michigan.
• 39:47
  A couple of side notes to the rest of that day.
• 39:50
  The end of that day, two hours before that night's game, a fan hung a banner from the upper deck with a great day for the Yankees written on it.
• 39:59
  Yes.
• 39:59
  I loved a good unveiling of a banner at a game.
• 40:02
  Yeah, I kind of want to do that at some point.
• 40:05
  I feel like though they were all like spray painted like a big white.
• 40:08
  Sheet and spray painted it by a king size.
• 40:10
  And now we've got like, now we've got kind of the slop AI signs that they bring to the deal now.
• 40:16
  What is that?
• 40:17
  What do you mean?
• 40:18
  What, what, what did you say?
• 40:20
  Slop?
• 40:21
  Slop.
• 40:21
  AI.
• 40:21
  Like.
• 40:22
  Oh, like all those, like all those restaurants, the Flyers, everything looks the same now.
• 40:27
  It's all that, that, you know, violent paint, you know.
• 40:31
  Yeah.
• 40:32
  Can we do this at some point?
• 40:34
  Derek, can we just pick a moment and we go to a Rangers game.
• 40:38
  I don't think they let us in with the, the sign.
• 40:40
  How would they know it?
• 40:42
  No, we're going to do old school bed sheet.
• 40:44
  That's what I'm saying.
• 40:44
  How are you.
• 40:45
  What are you doing?
• 40:47
  You putting it in your pant leg?
• 40:48
  I guess you've got to.
• 40:49
  What are you saying when they pat me down or what?
• 40:53
  No, no, I'm saying like what are you saying on the banner?
• 40:55
  Like, what is so egregious?
• 40:57
  I don't know.
• 40:57
  That's what I'm saying.
• 40:58
  We're going to wait for that moment.
• 40:59
  With the exception of winning a World Series in 23, I think they're like a 47% win percentage.
• 41:05
  Yeah.
• 41:05
  So what do you, what do you just stop being mediocre?
• 41:08
  No, no, like sell the team far more.
• 41:11
  How far after all can you say?
• 41:13
  And the Rangers don't deserve it.
• 41:15
  We've got the Mavericks has definitely deserved it over the last few years.
• 41:19
  That was our chance.
• 41:21
  We should do it still.
• 41:23
  Yeah.
• 41:23
  Scott, you printed us.
• 41:25
  If we can really quickly.
• 41:27
  Yes.
• 41:28
  A quick aside, quick aside.
• 41:29
  I know I'm on like a side 7 now.
• 41:32
  You printed us up around the time of the Luca trade some Fire Nico shirts.
• 41:36
  Yes.
• 41:39
  I decided to wear that shirt the other night after a late night event.
• 41:44
  Nice.
• 41:45
  In an area of town that might not have been super excited that I had a Fire Nico shirt on who.
• 41:54
  Wasn't super excited about firing.
• 41:56
  I don't know, dude.
• 41:56
  I know there's some people that were NICO supporters around that time.
• 41:59
  Okay.
• 42:00
  Anyway, I just wanted to say if I had gotten stabbed and.
• 42:04
  Or beaten up because we talked before this podcast about the ability, like at what age can your father no longer take care of themselves physically in terms of a fight?
• 42:14
  Yeah, I was.
• 42:16
  I was like, if somebody comes up to me and is physical over this Fire Nico shirt, I'm.
• 42:21
  I'm probably in a coma right now.
• 42:24
  We're doing this podcast from a bedroom.
• 42:25
  I mean from a hospital bed.
• 42:27
  I just feel too though, like there's 500000 Maverick fans that would then exact vengeance for you.
• 42:35
  You know what I mean?
• 42:37
  I also like wearing it in.
• 42:39
  In Dallas and stuff.
• 42:40
  Just simply to see if I run into Nico.
• 42:42
  Yeah.
• 42:43
  Oh, man.
• 42:43
  Would he take a picture with me with the shirt?
• 42:46
  Does he have a sense of humor about it now?
• 42:48
  I don't think he does.
• 42:48
  I don't think he does either.
• 42:51
  Back to Steinbrenner.
• 42:53
  Mattingly visited his office before he left and called the moment tingly strange.
• 43:00
  Did you see this Tingly strange?
• 43:03
  I did, but I know exactly that feeling.
• 43:05
  Tingly strange.
• 43:06
  It's a little goose bumpy.
• 43:08
  A little.
• 43:09
  I've had it a few now.
• 43:10
  Mattingly is in a we.
• 43:13
  I said that a little bit earlier.
• 43:14
  He is definitely in the throes, just being heard all the time.
• 43:17
  Yep.
• 43:18
  Down and just like his prime is definitely behind him.
• 43:22
  Gene Michael is named the GM on August 20th.
• 43:26
  Whitey Herzog and Tom Seaver were rumored to be the leading candidates.
• 43:31
  Can you imagine Tom Seaver as the Yankees gm?
• 43:34
  No.
• 43:35
  That's why I wanted to bring this up.
• 43:36
  And do you think that was real?
• 43:38
  Like, what would Seaver say?
• 43:40
  Well, I think, I think.
• 43:41
  Yeah, I think you think Seavers would.
• 43:43
  Say, oh, I think I wanted it.
• 43:44
  I think Seaver would have absolutely taken it.
• 43:46
  Yeah.
• 43:48
  Allegedly, Steinbrenner wouldn't be there.
• 43:50
  Yeah.
• 43:51
  My grandpa always called him Severs.
• 43:53
  Well, it's like, what did you just say?
• 43:56
  Sterling Soaps Yeah, exactly.
• 43:59
  But one of the great things I've got baseball memorabilia my grandpa gave me is my grandpa was at Seaver's no hitter, which I believe was in 80.
• 44:10
  I think it was in 1980.
• 44:11
  I could be.
• 44:12
  Well, there's another detail that we didn't.
• 44:14
  Get to research ahead of time still.
• 44:16
  And he threw more than one.
• 44:18
  It wasn't anything, you know, whatever, but it has my grandfather.
• 44:24
  Seaver's no hitter was in 1978.
• 44:26
  78.
• 44:27
  You should get Siever to sign it.
• 44:29
  You think he's kind of dead?
• 44:31
  Yeah.
• 44:32
  You.
• 44:33
  Did you ever.
• 44:33
  Did you hear Bill Simmons story about like Siever?
• 44:37
  Like it's like 85, 86.
• 44:39
  No.
• 44:39
  And Seaver lived down the block from a friend and Seaver needed somebody just to stand in the box to throw against.
• 44:45
  And Simmons was like, I mean, this was 40 year old Seaver, however old he was.
• 44:50
  And Seaver was trying to come back, I guess with the Red Sox at that time.
• 44:54
  And that he stood in and he was just like, even at 40, that's the most ungodly, like breaking stuff.
• 45:01
  Like he was just like, I don't know how anybody can, you know, hit this.
• 45:07
  Michael, who had played shortstop for Steinbrenner in 73, had also already been fired and rehired three times.
• 45:15
  Yeah.
• 45:15
  By Steinbrenner, nickname Stick.
• 45:19
  Steinbrenner said at the time, no one is more knowledgeable in or about the organization.
• 45:25
  Michael said looking back years later, he knew I saw an opportunity.
• 45:29
  Yeah.
• 45:32
  Michael predicted that the team would turn around things within two years.
• 45:35
  And he was not kind of did wrong much on the.
• 45:39
  Much on the back of all those young kids not getting traded away for old talent too.
• 45:44
  Around 7pm Steinbrenner left the stadium on the home plate side and got into a long black Town Car with about a dozen photographers walking backwards in front of him.
• 45:57
  So he departs, the thing gets built over two or three years.
• 46:01
  He comes back March of 93, the ban is lifted.
• 46:06
  Yep.
• 46:06
  He comes back to the Yankees and they rattle off.
• 46:09
  He went on ineligible list but stayed majority owner.
• 46:14
  Yeah.
• 46:14
  Two and a half years.
• 46:16
  He was reinstated March 1st.
• 46:20
  There's a little bit of revisionist history here that a lot of those guys were brought in.
• 46:27
  A lot of that core were brought in during the ban, which is not true.
• 46:31
  I think Jeter was the only one that was brought in.
• 46:33
  Yeah, like 92.
• 46:35
  Those other guys were brought in a little bit before.
• 46:38
  It was still in the throes of the investigation.
• 46:40
  And yeah, the hubbub definitely.
• 46:43
  But would they have lasted, you know, would they have stayed there?
• 46:47
  Right, that's, that's obviously the, the, the, the big question.
• 46:54
  Buck Showalter hired his manager in 92.
• 46:58
  They trade for Paul O'.
• 46:59
  Neill.
• 47:00
  They signed Jimmy Key.
• 47:01
  There's another Blue Jay that I love.
• 47:02
  Jimmy Key had like a lights out year for the Yankees when he first got there.
• 47:06
  Jimmy Key was.
• 47:07
  I think he was like nails 23.
• 47:09
  And he's got unbelievable.
• 47:12
  Back to stratomatic, which we have still not gotten into.
• 47:16
  No, but Jimmy Key has a year in there where his.
• 47:18
  What's that?
• 47:19
  I own it, though.
• 47:20
  I know.
• 47:20
  We need to get it out.
• 47:21
  We should just start playing it on the podcast.
• 47:23
  Yeah, we should.
• 47:24
  We should do play by.
• 47:25
  Play by.
• 47:26
  Jimmy Key has a wicked.
• 47:28
  That year is a wicked stratomatic card.
• 47:31
  I bet.
• 47:32
  Wicked stratomatic card.
• 47:33
  Yeah,.
• 47:37
  There is.
• 47:37
  When he's brought back, by all accounts, he's a.
• 47:40
  He's calmer, he's older.
• 47:42
  It hurt him, I think, being away.
• 47:44
  I think Hanks talked about that, that it hurt him being away from the game.
• 47:47
  Sure.
• 47:48
  So he was.
• 47:49
  And that there was success on the.
• 47:50
  On the horizon.
• 47:51
  I feel like that probably hurt him that it wasn't his doing.
• 47:54
  It wasn't his doing.
• 47:55
  Yeah.
• 47:55
  Which is how Jerry will feel beyond the grave.
• 47:59
  Yeah.
• 48:00
  Yankees finished first in 94, the first time since 1981.
• 48:04
  Then they win titles in 96, 98, 99 and 2000.
• 48:09
  Some fans to this day joke that Howie Spira deserves a plaque in Monument Park.
• 48:16
  That was my favorite.
• 48:17
  That would be awesome.
• 48:18
  That would be awesome.
• 48:20
  Can you imagine the years Clemens is there and he comes out and he likes.
• 48:24
  Kisses his hand and touches the forehead of spirits that are Ruth as he walks by.
• 48:29
  When we, when we went, the year went.
• 48:33
  The year that Yankee was going.
• 48:35
  Last year of Yankee, we went and we made the mistake of not trying to do all we needed to do to get into Monument Park.
• 48:42
  Like, the thing was done, like within 10 minutes of opening the gate.
• 48:45
  We thought we had time to kind of mess around, look around, but we had to kind of lean over a fence and look at it.
• 48:52
  That was one of my regrets.
• 48:55
  No regrets.
• 48:57
  There's a lot of people, like I said, that push back on the dynasty was built during the suspension.
• 49:04
  23 key members of the 96 team who were called up or acquired after Steinbrenner returned include Tino Martinez, Joe Girardi, Dave cone, and John Wetland.
• 49:14
  And really Cone.
• 49:15
  Wetland.
• 49:15
  And who was the first one?
• 49:17
  Tino.
• 49:17
  Yeah, Those are all classic Steinbrenner.
• 49:19
  Grabs.
• 49:20
  Right.
• 49:20
  I mean, they kind of are.
• 49:22
  They filled out that team for sure.
• 49:24
  You can argue every one of those guys had their better years before that somewhere else.
• 49:28
  Yeah.
• 49:28
  Now, again, when you're plugging them in around Jeter, Prada, Bernie Mariano, all that.
• 49:36
  Winning, I.
• 49:37
  I'm real curious, too.
• 49:38
  Had they not finished first in 94 in the east, if they had not finished first, if he would have been a little bit more like, knowing there was some success, knowing that they were getting somewhere, knowing that they
• 49:51
  were adding around that core.
• 49:53
  Yeah.
• 49:53
  I mean, I think the fairest way to frame their dynasty is that the band protected that core.
• 50:01
  He didn't try to lash, you know, reach out for some false sense of, you know, winning.
• 50:08
  Exactly.
• 50:09
  They let the farm system mature.
• 50:11
  They didn't clean house.
• 50:14
  And then.
• 50:14
  And then Steinbrenner was different.
• 50:16
  He didn't meddle as much, and he just wasn't as insane as he was in the 70s and 80s.
• 50:23
  Yeah.
• 50:23
  That maybe all he needed was that Olympic thing.
• 50:26
  That was, to me, the most bizarre footnote, is that he was like, I have to hold.
• 50:31
  And granted, I understand when you know that you're defeated and you're about to lose this precious thing, like reaching out for the thing that you think you can hold on to.
• 50:41
  Yes.
• 50:41
  Yeah.
• 50:42
  So, anyway, I find it all fascinating.
• 50:45
  I felt like we could have done.
• 50:48
  You watch the up in Smoke podcast?
• 50:51
  Yes.
• 50:52
  With Dave Winfield?
• 50:53
  Yeah.
• 50:53
  Great.
• 50:53
  I saw some segments.
• 50:54
  I didn't see the whole thing.
• 50:55
  Yeah, it's really good.
• 50:57
  What was your takeaway from the one?
• 50:58
  I love those guys.
• 50:59
  I love what they do.
• 51:00
  The podcast is awesome.
• 51:03
  I feel like Winfield is obviously over all of it, you know, and kind of almost has.
• 51:10
  I feel like when I watch those segments, I'm like, oh, I still think it gets under his skin.
• 51:14
  Yeah, I'm sure it does all and it always will, but I.
• 51:17
  And I don't know if it's just because once your nemesis and a thing like that dies, it becomes, like, a bad look for you to continue trying.
• 51:25
  To drag them through the mud.
• 51:27
  But it definitely was a sense of like.
• 51:29
  Because I feel like he also alludes to some of the good times he and George experienced together.
• 51:34
  Few and far between, but they did happen.
• 51:36
  And.
• 51:37
  And I think he also just recognizes Steinbrenner as this giant ego, this guy who really couldn't control himself in certain situations or whatever.
• 51:47
  And, I mean, again, it's.
• 51:50
  It's all different now with Steinbrenner having passed.
• 51:53
  I feel like, you know, and being so far removed 40 over, over 40 years removed from this moment or 30 years removed from this moment helps for sure.
• 52:02
  Right.
• 52:03
  Let me ask you this, okay.
• 52:05
  Two things.
• 52:06
  One, the Steinbrenner thing though, really fits so well for the New York Yankees.
• 52:13
  Like what is Steinbrenner's legacy?
• 52:18
  Like if this is happening because he's the owner of the Angels or the mayor.
• 52:24
  Well, it's whatever.
• 52:25
  I mean, without success.
• 52:26
  He's already Moreno.
• 52:28
  Yeah, exactly.
• 52:29
  And the, the other part of it for me though with, with the Yankees is they were always winning.
• 52:36
  Right.
• 52:37
  They had success every decade to some degree.
• 52:41
  The worst of that, I guess being the 80s, I guess even though they were in the World Series in 81.
• 52:48
  Right.
• 52:49
  The rest of that decade really fell off.
• 52:51
  Yeah, but, but, but I say all that was.
• 52:53
  Winfield was good and he played a lot of.
• 52:56
  Yeah.
• 52:56
  I don't want it to make it sound like that whole Steinbrenner selling off young talent for aging stars.
• 53:02
  Right.
• 53:03
  I mean, that fit a Yankees mentality of we win now.
• 53:07
  You know what I mean, and we've got the pocketbooks to do it and all that type of stuff.
• 53:11
  And then second would be worst owner in baseball history.
• 53:17
  I don't know.
• 53:18
  Do you think the Yankees even.
• 53:20
  He's, he's, well, he's definitely the worst owner in the Yankees history.
• 53:24
  But do you think.
• 53:25
  Are we talking about Steinbrenner?
• 53:26
  Yeah.
• 53:27
  Right.
• 53:28
  Well, it depends on what you're like.
• 53:30
  I mean, he, he does have a lot of.
• 53:32
  He does, he has a lot of.
• 53:34
  But I guess what I'm saying is you.
• 53:36
  It's hard pressed to go back through the Yankees history and find a point where they didn't have banners and all of the heartache, anxiety and chaos.
• 53:44
  Yeah, but like that's the big game.
• 53:45
  The worst from 64 to 76.
• 53:49
  Yeah.
• 53:50
  They did not win the East.
• 53:52
  They won more than 89 games just once over that span.
• 53:57
  Like they were not.
• 53:58
  I mean, they're coming off, you know, arguably the.
• 54:02
  One of the greatest runs a franchise has ever had.
• 54:05
  They're constantly in the World Series.
• 54:07
  And I guess I know that's putting him as a human.
• 54:10
  Is the owner.
• 54:11
  Right.
• 54:12
  Right.
• 54:14
  I mean, he did bring just these levels of.
• 54:16
  I mean, the Yankees were like you just said, celebrating, unfurling king size bed sheets with messages on them when he was gone.
• 54:24
  You know what I mean?
• 54:26
  And again, I'm just back here now kind of glancing at some of shots they sign.
• 54:30
  Well, Winfield in 80.
• 54:32
  Yeah.
• 54:32
  They lose in the ALCS to the Royals.
• 54:35
  Three.
• 54:35
  Three nil.
• 54:37
  So that's the best of five.
• 54:38
  The ALCS was best of five.
• 54:40
  George Breton, them.
• 54:41
  That's wild, dude.
• 54:43
  Was that it?
• 54:45
  I didn't realize that.
• 54:46
  I thought the ALCS was the best of seven for a long time.
• 54:48
  Yeah, that's wild.
• 54:52
  They literally go to the World Series once they go in 81 and they lose the Dodgers 4 to 2.
• 54:59
  And then after that, you know, like Winfield's tenure There is a fifth place finish.
• 55:06
  This is in the Al East.
• 55:08
  Fifth, third, third, second, second, fourth, fifth, fifth, seventh and 90.
• 55:13
  When he was traded.
• 55:14
  Yeah, that was the year everything bottomed out.
• 55:17
  They go 67 and 95.
• 55:19
  So like, I mean they won 97 games in 85 and finished second in the East.
• 55:25
  And there's nothing in there about.
• 55:27
  I mean, because they didn't win the pennant.
• 55:29
  So I, I don't.
• 55:31
  Man, I don't know.
• 55:33
  Not the worst then.
• 55:34
  Maybe.
• 55:35
  I don't know.
• 55:35
  Again, depends on how you're defining it.
• 55:38
  Yeah.
• 55:38
  Success.
• 55:39
  He's not the worst.
• 55:40
  Like the win.
• 55:41
  There's a dark period there after a period, a six or seven year period of really good baseball where they're in contention every year.
• 55:50
  And then there's a 14 year drought which every, every.
• 55:55
  I mean the Dodgers had that before.
• 55:57
  They were due their current.
• 55:59
  You could argue they were kind of true.
• 56:01
  They were kind of dude.
• 56:02
  But also with the.
• 56:02
  There's no, you know, there's obviously still no salary cap.
• 56:05
  But the Yankees could spend whatever they wanted to.
• 56:07
  They were baseball's money machine.
• 56:10
  They did with Winfield.
• 56:12
  Like they did kind of land big on that.
• 56:14
  But anyway, it's, it's.
• 56:17
  It's fascinating.
• 56:18
  It is, it is.
• 56:19
  I think I.
• 56:22
  I guess just as a person and, and putting that along with the baseball performance, I think he's got to be one of the two or three worst in baseball history in terms of just the chaos that ensues with
• 56:34
  him and this story alone.
• 56:36
  Like what he did to try and basically drag one of his own players through the dirt.
• 56:42
  Well, just ruin his life was really bad.
• 56:45
  I think Donald Sterling has to be on that Mount Rushmore.
• 56:49
  I think Art Modell probably should, if.
• 56:54
  Not just because he ripped compared to those three.
• 56:57
  Medella down.
• 56:58
  I know some, definitely some Cleveland Browns fans would.
• 57:01
  Would push back on that.
• 57:02
  But you know, moving the team out in the middle of the night never looked good.
• 57:05
  But shots there.
• 57:07
  I don't know if you go all the way back in the shot Steinbrenner.
• 57:11
  And what was the third one?
• 57:16
  Shot Steinbrenner.
• 57:17
  Modell.
• 57:19
  I would bring up, you know, dance can Be thrown in.
• 57:23
  Sir, if I'm overreacting to Dan Snyder.
• 57:26
  Snyder.
• 57:27
  That.
• 57:27
  The Snyder thing.
• 57:28
  If you dig into.
• 57:29
  Yeah.
• 57:29
  Why he lost the team, it is super toxic.
• 57:32
  Super gross.
• 57:33
  I don't know if you would throw Gary Frizzy, the owner of the socks that basically sells Babe Ruth.
• 57:40
  Yeah.
• 57:41
  To fund a.
• 57:42
  Yeah, but, like, part.
• 57:43
  Of that Snyder thing was, is that they would take the cheerleaders for the calendar shoot and then they would invite, like, the top sponsors to just go out there and watch the shoot.
• 57:56
  Yes.
• 57:57
  And, like, I don't know.
• 57:59
  It was just.
• 58:00
  This is gross.
• 58:01
  It was just gross.
• 58:01
  Like, listen to some of those women talk about what they endured.
• 58:04
  Like, because they would shoot during the day, some of those shoots would be, like, partially nude, and then they would basically be hostesses that night for parties and just get sexually harassed.
• 58:15
  Yeah.
• 58:15
  And they would make 400 a week.
• 58:18
  It was really.
• 58:19
  That Snyder thing.
• 58:20
  Snyder's just.
• 58:21
  He's gross.
• 58:22
  There's also the guy.
• 58:23
  It's a really good 30 for 30.
• 58:25
  The John Spano guy.
• 58:27
  Did you ever watch that?
• 58:27
  Bought the Islanders.
• 58:28
  But he was just straight up a con man.
• 58:30
  Right.
• 58:31
  Just like freaking playing a shell game.
• 58:33
  Movie money.
• 58:34
  I just want to know what I can buy.
• 58:35
  But I kind of think that's fascinating.
• 58:37
  His story is a little.
• 58:38
  I want to buy.
• 58:39
  I think we should.
• 58:40
  On our list, we should put on the bulletin board, buy an asset, a valuable asset with 2% down.
• 58:47
  Or actually 1.7% down.
• 58:49
  It's even worse.
• 58:50
  7%.
• 58:51
  What can we do, Scott, for 1.7%.
• 58:54
  Down payment, an asset?
• 58:56
  Yeah.
• 58:57
  I mean, nothing.
• 58:59
  Right.
• 59:00
  I don't think anything anymore.
• 59:01
  So do you have to just have a bunch of other investors?
• 59:05
  I would assume so.
• 59:06
  I did not.
• 59:07
  Less than 1.
• 59:07
  I did not.
• 59:08
  Because, I mean, it was basically his team.
• 59:10
  It's like.
• 59:11
  Like Jerry Jones.
• 59:11
  It was his team.
• 59:12
  Yeah.
• 59:13
  I know that those things have to be financed, and you're.
• 59:16
  You're basically putting a little money down on the future earnings to pay for.
• 59:21
  Pay for that loan.
• 59:22
  But.
• 59:22
  Yeah.
• 59:22
  Anyway.
• 59:23
  So anyway, we got a couple minutes here to wrap up.
• 59:26
  Yeah.
• 59:27
  Fascinated by this story.
• 59:28
  Great choice.
• 59:29
  Yeah.
• 59:30
  I think we're World Series.
• 59:35
  Yeah.
• 59:35
  And I.
• 59:36
  Without your permission.
• 59:37
  Without your permission.
• 59:38
  You don't have to have.
• 59:39
  I know.
• 59:39
  Not your.
• 59:40
  Without your.
• 59:41
  Without consulting with you.
• 59:42
  Okay.
• 59:43
  I thought you're about to say consent.
• 59:44
  I was like, we're getting it out there.
• 59:46
  What?
• 59:47
  Yeah.
• 59:47
  Because I was like, derek does all this lifting, and my wife always is just like, why do you make Derek do all the work?
• 59:52
  Why don't you reach out to people.
• 59:54
  This is disgusting.
• 59:56
  All the time knowing that neither one of our spouse's significant others listen to the podcast.
• 1:00:01
  I can't imagine that actually happened.
• 1:00:03
  Scott.
• 1:00:04
  But and, and I haven't heard anything back.
• 1:00:07
  So I'm not gonna.
• 1:00:07
  Barry Larkin.
• 1:00:08
  No.
• 1:00:08
  It's just a giant A's fan.
• 1:00:11
  Okay.
• 1:00:12
  And my thought was maybe they could come on with us for the portion about the Oakland A's because they were they.
• 1:00:18
  We're doing the A similar.
• 1:00:20
  And then we're gonna do the Reds and the World.
• 1:00:22
  And even if, if we want to even break the A's up into kind of a two parter and get our buddy Alan in.
• 1:00:28
  Sure.
• 1:00:29
  Because I think he's also got a lot.
• 1:00:30
  I think Alan would really enjoy the World Series.
• 1:00:33
  The Reds and the World Series part.
• 1:00:34
  And we can just make that a big.
• 1:00:37
  It may end up being 12 episodes.
• 1:00:38
  I don't know.
• 1:00:39
  I, I, that probably series was I, I remember very much being locked in because I was a huge A's fan.
• 1:00:47
  But also when you could see the tide turning, I was like, I really love this Reds team.
• 1:00:52
  Like, it's hard to deny how talented they are.
• 1:00:55
  It's hard to deny how good some of these players are.
• 1:00:58
  So I will say this though.
• 1:01:00
  I sent them this request yesterday morning.
• 1:01:04
  It showed up red within probably two hours or whatever.
• 1:01:10
  I, I looked back and it was red.
• 1:01:12
  So I don't know at what point but.
• 1:01:14
  And there was been no response still.
• 1:01:17
  But that could be because it's kind of like they are a podcast.
• 1:01:21
  And so I've asked for one of them, specifically the Oakland fan, if they would be interested.
• 1:01:27
  And just thinking too, maybe, you know, there's an avenue where we could help them out at some point down the road too.
• 1:01:33
  Okay.
• 1:01:33
  Either way now I have no idea what's going on.
• 1:01:36
  We'll see.
• 1:01:36
  And if not, it's no biggie.
• 1:01:38
  I love it.
• 1:01:39
  Well, Steinbrenner, Winfield, Spira.
• 1:01:44
  Thanks for the championship, Spira.
• 1:01:46
  Exactly as we're looking at G down the tv.
• 1:01:48
  Right.
• 1:01:50
  Anyway, good podcast.
• 1:01:52
  It's a.
• 1:01:53
  There was a lot less vulgar than our last podcast.
• 1:01:56
  It was and it shouldn't have been.
• 1:01:57
  I feel like there was a ton more opportunity.
• 1:01:59
  Well, the CD stuff.
• 1:02:00
  Yeah, for sure.
• 1:02:01
  Yeah.
• 1:02:02
  No, I felt like we kept it on the, the straight and narrow last podcast.
• 1:02:05
  I did have someone listen to it and it was like the one thing was, was just kind of like, so do you guys like not go into that with an end in mind?
• 1:02:16
  And today we had an end in mind.
• 1:02:18
  There was actually a little bit of a time.
• 1:02:19
  Who was that here or whatever said that?
• 1:02:22
  It was.
• 1:02:22
  It was our longest podcast.
• 1:02:24
  It was.
• 1:02:24
  And there's definitely just, like, 40 minutes of dildo talk.
• 1:02:28
  Oh, my God, Scott.
• 1:02:29
  We were keeping this clean.
• 1:02:31
  All right, we'll see you next time.
• 1:02:33
  See you guys.
• 1:02:34
  Thanks.