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New Detail About Suspect’s “Target” Emerges | What Happened to Nancy Guthrie? · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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We are halfway through week 3 of the disappearance of Nancy
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Guthrie, the 84 year old grandmother from Tucson, AZ who
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is the mother of one of America's beloved Co hosts in
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daytime television, Savannah Guthrie.
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We're getting little dribs and drabs of information for mostly,
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at least from my perspective, from Sheriff Nanos.
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But does it feel like we're any closer to finding Nancy Guthrie?
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Now, this isn't a a criticism of the Sheriff's Office or the FBII
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think law enforcement is doing their best, but are we any
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closer? New details have come out in the
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investigation, and we're going to get into those next.
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Stick with me. This video contains mature
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themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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Viewer discretion is advised. Hello there my friend and
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welcome back to another true crime conversation with me,
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Gavin Fish. So thankful that you would join
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me wherever you're joining me from and wherever you're joining
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me from in the most creative way possible.
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Tell me in the comments, for example.
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I do. I do see that Mooney is saying
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that she is from the state of lovers, which could be none
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other than Virginia, Ohio. Paw Mom saying here in an Ohio
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city known for abolitionist John Brown's tannery and the
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importation of Canadian black squirrels.
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I don't know which city that is, but but I am glad you are here
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wherever you're from. Please tell me in the comments.
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I love that part. Guys.
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We are, as I said in the intro, we are halfway through week 3 in
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the search for Nancy Guthrie. Now, just as a quick recap of
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the case, Nancy Guthrie was last seen.
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I'm kind of sounding like an airline pilot tonight.
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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for flying with us.
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I got to stop that. Sorry about that.
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OK. Nancy Guthrie was last seen on
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Saturday, January 31st of this year of our Lord 2026.
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She went to her family's house for games and for dinner and was
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brought back. And that was the last.
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Time that she was seen. She was supposed to attend
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church. I don't know if it was in person
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or if it was remotely. I've heard both ways.
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But either way she was not at her church services and the
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church called her family and said hey, Nancy's not here.
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What? What gives?
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That's unlike her. The entire Guthrie family have
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shown, at least to me throughout this entire ordeal, what a
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family of faith they are. And Nancy obviously was because
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her church family missed her, called, called her, her daughter
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said what's what's going on with Nancy?
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Maybe somebody should check on her.
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They go, they find a a scene that is that looks like a crime
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scene. They call 911, the police come
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and that begins the investigation.
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Since then, there have been numerous ransom demands with
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deadlines that have elapsed. There have been other I think
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possibly impersonators, maybe not sending different emails and
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communications to different media outlets.
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The one that is the most obvious is TMZ, which I find weird.
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But still no sign of Misses Guthrie anywhere.
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Now this is a woman who has a pacemaker.
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She is reported to be on medication that is life saving
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heart medication. As time passes, oh, I hate to
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think about this and I hate to say this aloud, But as time
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passes, the chances of her safe recovery dwindle.
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And now Savannah Guthrie has gone on social media several
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times saying, hey, we still have faith.
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We know she's out there. We want her back, you know,
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pleading with her kidnappers to give her back.
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And let's just pause for a moment and think about what a
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wild case this is. We're talking about a kidnapping
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of an octogenarian Tucson woman for ransom.
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When does that happen? I mean, this is the plot of
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movies. It's actually, I mean, it's sort
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of it's usually children in movies, right?
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In fact my my favorite. Can I even?
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Say this my favorite movie, one of my favorite movies of all
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time Gavin, what are you doing? Gavin, what are you doing That's
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right, I'm on a tangent. One of my favorite movies of all
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time is Man on Fire, the wonderful, wonderful movie.
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But this normally would be in a movie, this wouldn't be
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happening in real life. And maybe that is what has
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captured us that this and then all the drama around it, right.
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The sheriff doesn't like to play well with others.
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At least that's the reporting. The sheriff.
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You know, I, I, I've seen the interview that Brian Anton did
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with a former undersheriff who said this is a guy that never
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forgets. He holds grudges now.
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I don't I don't know if that's true.
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Maybe Sheriff Nanos is doing his very best to to move the
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investigation along, right? Maybe using that private lab
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like his department frequently does in the lab in Florida was
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their decision to make things go faster.
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Doesn't doesn't seem all that right to me, but I mean, this
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case, this case, right? This case.
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Let's check in real quick with what y'all are saying.
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We've got Elizabeth McMaster, Esquire.
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Hello. From the birth place of Mr.
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Peanut. Hint, it's Virginia.
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Thank you. Thank you for letting us know
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that. Happy bear.
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Beautiful hump day. Glad you are here.
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Edison, NJ right around the corner from where the light bulb
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was invented. That's pretty amazing.
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Anne Hathaway is watching from the shadow of Table Mountain.
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I'm not sure where Table Mountain is.
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I, I would, I would guess it's, it's a Mesa.
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Are are you coming to us from Arizona or or perhaps New
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Mexico? I don't know.
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Gavin Oy from Safa tuning in from the First Capital of Brazil
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and the birth place of Capoeira, the beautiful martial art inner
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banks North Carolina's here Denver CO's here Webster Mass
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Reuter does not like this sheriff hello from mid Michigan
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Nanos was viby says Sharky should run with Brian and not
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going to lie in my inner Mama bear got triggered got the
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Chicago suburbs in the house the best little capital city in the
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world. Hey, you from Reno.
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You from Reno, NV? No, Reno's not the capital.
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Carson City is. I don't know, you tell me.
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Sharky is from a very heavenly place.
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Winnipeg, MB, Canada, the city of Slurpees tuning in from Las
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Vegas or Henderson, the birth place of the telephone, North
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Carolina Tar Heels, Kansas. Thank you at the Bay Area and
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the E40 voice and butterfly girl says state that has #1 tomatoes
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tuning in from the collar city of the Empire State.
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I am from the ever important cow town.
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Noise noise, noise. Birthplace of the Coca-Cola
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bottle. You got awesome awesome.
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Thanks guys for checking in and boy am I glad that we have that.
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I can show your comments on the screen again.
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That makes me happy. Okie, Dokie.
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There are a couple of reports that I found really interesting
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that I want to bring to you guys.
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There's one from the New York Times.
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It's a long piece. We're going to do that at the
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end. But as I teased in the title of
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this of this live stream, new detail about the suspect's
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target emerges. Let me let me start with some
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information out of NBC News. This is being brought to us from
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Liz Kreutz. Investigators hope the unique
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holster and possible ring could offer clue to suspect's
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identity. Now, listen, talking about the
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ring, I have to repent here. I have repented.
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I have seen the light and made the switch.
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There has been commentary about the ring underneath the gloved
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hand of our perpetrator. Let me see if I can bring that.
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U see if we can see it. Yeah, there we go.
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O see on that. Looks like his pinky finger.
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There's like a little bump, a little highlight where the light
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has caught it. A lot of people have been
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talking online, including in the fish tank, which you're always
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welcome to join us in over on Facebook.
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Just search Gavin fish or the fish tank.
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You'll find us. You'll find us or go to
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gavinfish.com. Click the little fishy up in the
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upper right hand corner. Lots of conversation about the
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ring theory. I personally was like, OK, so
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he's wearing a pinky ring. You know, I have a friend, I
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have a couple of friends that are retired Pennsylvania State
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troopers. They are homicide investigators
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and they, they have I think combined they have investigated
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something like 1500 homicides and solved their solve rate is
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through the roof, including some cold cases that they're always
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telling me don't get stuck on little details, Don't get stuck
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on those little things. Clock them, you know, note them,
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don't get stuck on them. And this is one of those things
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where I was like. I'm going to move on, right?
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But this, this headline investigators hope unique
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holster and possible ring could offer a clue to the suspect's
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identity. Has me repentant, OK?
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Liz Kreutz writes and video taken from Guthrie's porch the
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morning she went missing, a man could be seen wearing a gun
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holster. And it's a unique one, Pima
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County Sheriff Chris Nanos said yesterday.
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Let's see if we can bring that up it he's, he's carrying it
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right there. In the front area.
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Dangling in front of his own dangly bits.
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But it, it looks to me like it's a holster for like a 22, like a
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like a like a Luger that has a long barrel for a handgun.
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And it looks like the handgun that is in it does not fit.
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That's just me though. Investigators are looking to gun
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stores to try to match the unique holster quote.
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We know he had a gun. We know he had a holster that
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had some pretty unique characteristics, Nanos said in
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an interview. Quote, we can quite, we can't
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quite identify it yet, but that's being worked on.
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So naturally we go to our gun shops everywhere and say, have
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you seen this guy? Can you help us identify this
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weapon? Can you help us identify this
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holster? He said.
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Nanos also said that images of the suspect could show him
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wearing a ring. Quote I look at the same photo
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you look at and I and I get I see it now it's added.
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Quote I'm going to give that to my team.
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They'll look at it, they'll analyze it and we'll see.
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Maybe maybe it is, he says dwindling off.
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That part feels like reporting from yesterday that they're just
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adding into the article. But yeah, I mean, I can't see it
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in that picture. It's in this picture like he's
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looks to be wearing a ring in his on his pinky finger.
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So we will see there. Now continuing trying to
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identify pieces of information, NBC News reported.
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This was just earlier today. Again, Liz Kreutz writing
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identification of Walmart backpack could be critical,
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sheriff says The Pima County sheriff said yesterday that
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identifying the backpack worn by the suspect, which was sold at
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Walmart could be a critical clue in the Guthrie investigation.
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Quote that backpack we could positively ident now identify as
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a backpack that is sold at one place only.
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That's Walmart. Unfortunately for all of us,
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Walmart has like 16 billion locations scattered across the
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fruited plain right next to all the dollar generals, right.
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So who knows if it was a local Walmart or what, but I'm I'm
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sure they are going through I I'm not sure of this what he's
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saying, Gavin I. Strongly suspect they're going
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through all of the purchasers of of those backpacks.
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Hopefully many of them have. Debit cards or credit cards
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attached to them quote. So we're working with our
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Walmart managers all across the state to try to find out how
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many sales there were of that backpack in the last 20-30, the
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last 60 days, he said. And can we do something with
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that? Can we break it?
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Maybe we'll find a credit card or a bank card, he said.
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Maybe we'll find a video of the guy walking in.
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Nanos also encouraged, and this is important, guys.
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Nanos also encouraged members of the public to submit any
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information they may have and said no tip is too small.
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If it's a if, if you feel like it's an important tip.
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Now, let's not inundate. Let's see, the number for the
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FBI is 1800. Call FBI.
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Let's not inundate them with crap.
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But let's, let's think long and hard, right?
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Do we, do we look at this guy and say, I think I might know
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that guy. And yeah, I, I know a guy who's
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59510 in the Tucson area that has wackadoo, cuckoo bird nuts
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and wears a pinky ring. You know, if if you have that
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information, please, please do give it.
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Here's the video that has been released and we're going to read
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here in a second. We might look out and get more
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video. In fact, let me while that is
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playing. This came in about an hour ago.
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Again, Liz Kreutz is writing it for NBC News Sheriff says work
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underway to retrieve additional camera footage from Guthrie
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home. It's been more than a week,
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writes Liz Kreutz, since authorities released doorbell
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camera video from the morning Guthrie went missing from her
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home. Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos
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said that Google is still working on retrieving additional
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footage from other Nest cameras at Guthrie's property.
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The didn't the sheriff say, I never said that there were more
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Nest cameras or that there were more cameras.
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Didn't. He say that.
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But now he's saying they're trying to work on additional
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footage from other NEST cameras at Guthrie's property, but
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warned that doing so is a complicated process.
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He said that other private companies, including Meta and
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Apple, have offered help. I hope that they take them up on
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that. In fact, I tried to do a short
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today, but my my video system, man am I am I battling
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technology? Which is hilarious because.
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That is what my background is. I tried to do a short today
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talking about database architecture and understanding
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what that is because there have been a lot of questions since I
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talked about, you know, my training as a database.
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Architect. The what a database architect
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is, I'll just tell you now, is somebody who designs how a
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database stores data, implements the the storage of it and the
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retrieval of it. Somebody who takes into
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consideration the requirements of who, whoever needs the
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database, the client, the organization, the company,
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whatever, to create something that works well for them.
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Now, a database table is something that is very, very
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simple. It's, it's a flat basically grid
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that stores records sequentially.
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I mean, I, I'm, I'm really simplifying this, right?
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But it it stores records and in rows.
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We can think of them as in rows and then the data within those
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rows are in columns like an excel spreadsheet.
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The difference of course is that is that you have to be able to
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design these tables to interact with one another to to keep that
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data integris right now a good database architect and something
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like and they would be way better out of them than me.
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I am so out of practice on this. The last time I worked as ADBA
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was, I don't know, 2000 and 2526 years since.
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I did this full time beyond just web and software development
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where I was working as ADBA a good.
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A good database will not only hold information and references
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to where files are, but when the files are deleted it will inform
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people later on looking at that database where what happens to
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those files. So you know somebody, a high
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level engineer or even a junior engineer.
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From companies like Meta and Alphabet and Apple would be
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very, very good to employ sometimes working faster than
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than forensics, forensic, digital forensic investigators.
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I think they would work quick. Just give them like Doritos,
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some Mountain Dew and a keyboard and they will go after it so.
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Hopefully that is underway. Now, let me let's bring up a
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photo of Nancy again and let's just check in with you guys.
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See what you guys are saying. Over in the old live chat, Donna
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Peterson says why do you think the sheriff will waste time
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doing individual interviews but no one wants to do a press
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conference. It would be an opinion.
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I guess I'm from the potato state.
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Well, welcome. Oh, look what?
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That's kind of cut that off. Hey, guys, bear with me for a
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moment while I see if I can pull that up just a little bit.
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Let's see if we can bring that back.
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There we go. OK.
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Well, the the sheriff, this is my opinion only.
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OK. And you're asking me what I
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think the sheriff is a elected official.
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Therefore, the incentive structure, the incentives that
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work on the sheriff are different than those that work
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on his investigators, his deputies, other law enforcement
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that are not elected, the feds, the FBI specifically in this
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case, the incentive structure is completely different.
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The sheriff is an elected official.
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That means that primarily first and foremost, and I don't care
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what he says, what any sheriff says, who says if they say, oh,
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I am a law enforcement officer first and foremost, bullcrap.
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They are not. They are a politician first and
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foremost and a law enforcement official second at best.
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OK, so why is he doing these individual interviews?
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Because he's a politician. That's my opinion.
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Now, at the same time, by doing these, he is keeping the case in
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the forefront of the 24 hour news cycle and that is a good
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thing in my opinion. He's doing a good thing by doing
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that. He's competing with the Olympics
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and with all sorts of other things that are happening in the
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world. The economic forums overseas,
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the, you know, the political things of the day, the NATO
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summits and you know, the, the Supreme Court is going to start
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handing out decisions. There's tons of news that
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happens in that 24 hour cycle. And this case has been able to
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stay #1 since February 1st. And it's, and I think part of
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that is because the sheriff is doing what he's doing.
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So I don't blame him for doing it.
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It does feel sometimes like, dude, just go do your job.
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But his job isn't to investigate.
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That's not his job. His job is to run the
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department. So I don't mind that that he's
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doing it. Thanks for that comment, Donna.
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Angela says, I don't think it's a ring under the glove.
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I wear double gloves at work. Cut proof the nitrile over them.
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They crease and bulge up like that.
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So you think I well, I mean, it would be smart to wear a cut
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proof glove double gloved if you're in doing nefarious
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things. Let's let's find that image
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again. This one.
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Does it look like a ring or does it look like a bulge from an
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under glove? See, this is one of the reasons
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where I was like, I'm not even going to worry about this,
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especially when there are things that are more pressing.
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Like for example, that weird holster that is being worn
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strangely, the gun that doesn't appear to fit in that holster,
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the eyebrows, the mustache, the the backpack, that sort of
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stuff. But but yeah, great.
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Comment Great comment. Miss Chivo's Dragon says My new
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theory is that everything scary looking about this guy is
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intentional mask and a brandishing weapon to
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intimidate, but he's not experienced with actual.
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Firearms perhaps, yeah, perhaps. I would imagine that Arizona is
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an open carry state. I.
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Let me just do a little research on this.
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Is AZ an open carry state? Yes, Arizona is an open carry
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state for people who are 18 and over who can legally possess A
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firearm and then allows for permit list concealed carry for
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those 21 and older. Whoa, what permit list?
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Concealed carry. Oh.
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So I I was going to say maybe he just likes to walk around with a
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firearm because it's Arizona and it is his constitutional right.
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
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But it is a weird way to hold a gun.
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And that does show that maybe he's he's not experienced with
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it. Very good.
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Jennifer says Gavin wondering if the pinky ring maybe something
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to throw off recognition if the perpetrator doesn't normally
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wear one. I can't imagine that somebody is
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that like, I don't think that somebody who would go about
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doing what they're doing is that smart.
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Here is the thing. You guys know the Iron law,
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right? I will repeat it.
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Gavin's Iron Law of criminal mastermindry is that if you
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think what you have what it takes to be a criminal
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mastermind, that is evidence in and of itself that you don't
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have what it takes to become a criminal mastermind.
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However, do you know how people become criminal masterminds?
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They, they experience crime like they, they commit crimes at a
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higher and higher level over time and they learn and
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sometimes they get caught and they do 3060 days and they're in
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five years or whatever, but they be.
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But by the time they're in their 40s and 50s, man, they are good
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at it. I talked with my friend John,
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John and Sally out in England, who they have a podcast called
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True Crime Investigations UK, their husband and wife duo, both
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of them. Let's see, she is a retired
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lawyer and she worked as a cop for, you know, before she, she
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became qualified as a lawyer. And then he did his entire
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career as a cop and he he told me stories about these career
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criminals that just, you know, would they'd get caught and
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they'd have to, you know, do a couple months in jail.
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And and it was kind of like a game.
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I didn't get away with it this time.
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But what did I learn? Right.
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So do I think that they have what it takes to put a ring on
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their pinky finger to throw people off?
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Maybe. I don't know.
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I don't, I just don't. I don't think.
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I don't think that that's something that you would learn
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in your education going up, you know, in the in the criminal
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underworld. But but just my opinion,
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Jennifer, just my opinion. Let's see it.
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Just refreshed on me here we go Redondo Beach.
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I'm starting to think this may be an inside job.
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If you have a person missing in your family, you'd be out front
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of the cameras every single day. So I, I disagree with your, with
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your comment here respectfully and lovingly like we do here on
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this channel. I, I think that if somebody is
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out front, out in front of the camera all the time, that's more
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of a sign of consciousness of guilt.
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Think of Drew Peterson, Scott Peterson, Chris Watts.
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Well, Scott Peterson and Chris Watts for sure.
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And keep in mind that, well, two things the sheriff has said that
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all of the family and all the people connected to Nancy
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Guthrie, including Nancy's children and their spouses have
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been cleared. And then that's number one.
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And the number two, what was #2 Gavin, give me a second number
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#2 is they have posted on social media multiple times.
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So that's, that's just my take. Thank you, Jesse says.
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Apparently they discovered a search for Nancy's address and
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her daughter's salary. If they can trace that, it could
28:16
be big. That is something that I did.
28:19
Read Let me Nancy Guthrie search for address and Savannah.
28:32
'S salary so. I want to.
28:52
Get to the the source on this. Let me see if I can get to the
28:58
source. It's it's it's AM radio.
29:02
OK, so, OK, so I'm going to bring you over to my website.
29:07
Thank you for bringing this up. This is published on 930 WFMD,
29:14
but it says it's by U.S. News Today on Fox News Internet
29:18
user search for Nancy Guthrie's address and daughter's salary
29:21
before today hosts mother vanished.
29:25
Let's see if there are sources to this.
29:27
An Internet user appears to have searched for an Nancy Guthrie's
29:30
home address in the weeks prior to her suspected abduction.
29:34
Google Trends shows she is the mother of today's show.
29:37
Co host Savannah Guthrie, who's been missing, blah blah blah
29:41
last week, blah blah blah blah OK.
29:45
As the Pima County Sheriff's Department and FBI continue work
29:48
on the case, Fox News Digital has learned that mysterious
29:50
Google searches for Nancy's address and Savannah's salary
29:54
occurred before her disappearance.
29:55
Google Trends records show there was activity for Guthrie's
29:59
address in the Catalina foothills between June 21st and
30:02
28th of 25 originating in Arizona.
30:06
The address. Saw activity again on January
30:09
11th, 2026. The January 11th date also
30:13
surfaced in a message on the Ring camera app posted on
30:15
February 12th, asking neighbors to share video from between 9:00
30:19
PM and midnight that day, as well as the evening of January
30:23
31st when Guthrie was last accounted for.
30:25
OK, so that January 11th date is important.
30:30
Pima County Sheriff's Department Captain replied to the post
30:34
asking users to look for verified posts.
30:37
From the department when submitting tips.
30:39
Officially, investigators are seeking home security video
30:42
recorded within 2 miles of Guthrie's home between January
30:44
1st and February 2nd. The ringpost did not come from
30:48
the Pima County Sheriff's Office.
30:49
It was posted by a neighbor. OK, so it did not come.
30:52
Sheriff's spokesperson told Fox News Digital.
30:55
PCSD sent out a request via the Neighbors app for video from
30:58
January 1 to February 2. OK.
31:01
So I mean, Fox News Digital is reporting that Google Trends is
31:06
showing that. There were searches for Nancy
31:09
Guthrie's home address and for Savannah Guthrie's salary.
31:14
Thank you very much for that comment.
31:16
And I'm glad that we were able to to verify that and see if
31:21
there's a new update. New update from NBC News is
31:25
saying Tucson Crime Stoppers reward has grown by $100,000
31:29
thanks to a donation bringing the total reward for information
31:33
leading to an arrest to 102,500. Tucson Crime Stoppers, known
31:38
locally as 88 Crime, announced the increase reward on social
31:42
media earlier today. Let me see if I can bring that
31:45
up for you. Yeah, yeah.
31:49
Here we are up to $100,000 being offered by private donors and up
31:58
to 2500 by 88 Crime, Inc for information leading to the
32:01
arrest of the person or persons, persons involved in the
32:04
disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. So there it is that that is good
32:11
news and glad that NBC reported that for us.
32:16
OK, continuing your comments here.
32:22
GF Gluten free. Joke I am AGF 2.
32:27
Appreciate your content always. Yeah, GF does stand for Gavin
32:31
Fish. It does not stand for
32:33
girlfriend. It does not stand for gluten
32:34
free, though it does on many menus that I read.
32:37
And in our family we have a child who has celiac disease, so
32:41
we are a gluten free home. In fact, one of our children
32:45
today made a loaf of bread gluten free.
32:51
That is the first in however many years that we have been
32:54
gluten free. That for me tasted like leavened
32:59
bread. It was delicious and yeah, very,
33:04
very, very good. Unbelievable.
33:08
Unbelievable, says Gavin. What have what job haven't you
33:11
worked, guys? Here's the thing about me, OK?
33:15
I'm a person who loses attention easily.
33:23
This is what happened. I went to college and I hated
33:27
college. I I hated it and after one term
33:33
I said this is not for me. Now, I was in Argentina and
33:38
disconnected from the world during the Windows 95 revolution
33:43
and when I came home to the great United States of America,
33:47
I've. And this, by the way, total.
33:50
Total. Tangent, tangent.
33:55
Now, Yeah, OK, this is a total tangent, but this is what
33:59
happened. OK, well, I'll continue after
34:03
after I failed desiring to continue my college education.
34:08
And it's not that I I did poorly, I did well.
34:11
And as far as my grades. In the one term that I took, I I
34:21
was looking for something to do with computers and at the time
34:24
there were a bunch of Microsoft certified schools that were
34:27
popping up across the fruited plain.
34:29
The problem with them was that I didn't have the 40 or 50 or
34:33
$60,000. That it would cost to do that.
34:36
I couldn't get a student loan because none of them were
34:38
accredited. And but I really wanted to learn
34:42
the information. I wanted to become a systems
34:44
engineer. I wanted to be a network
34:45
engineer. I really wanted to learn how to
34:47
be a web developer and so I looked for work with a company
34:52
that would teach me those skills and I took a job with Packard
34:56
Bell NEC at the time. It became NEC computers after
34:59
that and what they did for me I. It was a very entry level job.
35:05
I made just barely over minimum wage as a customer service Rep,
35:09
but they let me attend Packard Bell University.
35:11
And in Packard Bell University I got to do all of those Microsoft
35:17
certified classes and, and, and coursework.
35:21
And you know, basically you do a bunch of classes until you
35:25
finish a course and then you become a certified whatever,
35:28
right? Mcdba, your database
35:31
administrator or you're a systems engineer, whatever.
35:34
And my company paid for those things.
35:36
And as I, as I got more and more certifications, I can't remember
35:40
what the total number was at the time.
35:42
It was like 20 something I think.
35:46
I think I got. Six major like course
35:48
certifications, but it any it doesn't matter.
35:51
I got all these things and and then I started moving up in the
35:55
company until I worked in. The they called it the E group,
36:00
which was basically all the web developers, all of the database
36:04
administrators, all of those folks.
36:07
So that's what happened. Now after that, I consulted with
36:11
companies as a, an IT guy and a web developer until I got in.
36:17
I, I basically was hired as a consultant and IT consultant
36:20
with a high end audio company, which ultimately hired me as
36:26
their web developer full time. And then I left for a little
36:30
while to start a new company that terrifically failed, came
36:34
back and I worked my way up to a sales director position that
36:38
took me to other audio companies where I worked my way up into
36:41
the C-Suite. And then like COVID hit and at
36:47
that point I had left full term or full time.
36:53
Employment and was consulting for high end audio companies
36:57
clove it hit it closed down my business and that's when I
36:59
started to work as a reporter and as a YouTube There it is
37:04
that it so yeah, I've had a huge career arc.
37:09
Huge, Pretty funny unbox with, but the architect of that
37:17
database should easily be able to easily search for bits of
37:20
information contained in the database.
37:21
Yes, but the architect typically isn't there anymore.
37:25
They've moved on to. Something else and by the way,
37:27
if I if I developed if I was part of the architecture team of
37:32
of the data backbone of whatever app or or service that we were
37:37
creating, I would work on that intensely for however long it
37:42
took me to work on that. And then I'd be off to the next
37:44
project and the next and the next and the next.
37:47
So the best yeah, if you can find that that data architect.
37:53
But if they did a very good job of building that database and
37:58
indexing properly and, you know, doing all the things that that
38:04
are required in order to get data, to access the data out of
38:08
the database, then a good DBA or or you know, several other
38:14
engineers will be able to get in there and understand it real
38:16
quick. OK, yes, I have not become a
38:22
brain surgeon. I I don't have any legal
38:25
training, any medical training. Bewildered, says Sandala here in
38:30
Newport, RI. But isn't the footage rewrote
38:34
after certain periods of time and because he looked and
38:38
because he took the front Cam, it never did.
38:40
If it was rewritten, if, you know, with an IT background,
38:44
would you still be able to find it?
38:45
Yeah. OK, So the way that data works,
38:49
Oh my goodness, It has been so long since I've done this.
38:55
And honestly, when I was when I was working in IT, we were still
38:58
mostly talking about spinning discs.
39:01
But my guess is in these giant data centers, their storage
39:06
mediums probably still are for the most part spinning disks,
39:09
magnetic disks, just because it's cheap and and the access
39:13
speeds are so fast. Like in our personal computers,
39:16
we have solid-state drives, right?
39:17
But I think in data centers I might be wrong on this, but at
39:24
least backups I would guess just based on cost alone would
39:27
probably be spinning disk. But here's what happens in a
39:29
spinning disk environment anyway.
39:32
Data gets written from the either the outside in or the
39:35
inside out, and it's sequential and.
39:38
As data gets deleted, it just gets marked as deleted.
39:41
It doesn't get deleted until you fill up the disk and then you
39:46
come back and you find the. Parts that are marked as deleted
39:49
and you start to overwrite them. OK.
39:52
But where this becomes very complicated is that in these
39:55
large data centers we are talking about, you know,
40:00
hundreds of copies of the same data for redundancy purposes,
40:05
hundreds of copies. So, you know, for example, if
40:10
you're just talking about oh, like.
40:15
A RAID system, right? A simple RAID system that a
40:19
YouTube might have like somebody like I might have is, is like a
40:23
RAID five with 20 discs. And, and so there are 10 copies
40:30
over those 20 discs. Let's see, in a RAID, I'm going
40:34
to get this wrong. There are multiple copies over
40:37
those, those 20 discs and they're all writing at different
40:40
times. So there could be bits of data
40:44
in many different places that have that data still there even
40:49
though it is marked as deleted. And maybe it is overwritten on
40:53
disks a through T, but not at disk, you know, V through triple
40:59
Z. It there's that's where it
41:02
becomes super complicated and and the requirement of engineers
41:08
is is there that blue B word says I'm here from that pan
41:13
state that always has Thunder. Also you can see the Cowboys
41:18
sooner Dante, are you are you by chance from Oklahoma?
41:23
That is that was a good one. I liked that one a lot.
41:27
OK, a couple. More the driftwood lover, Gavin.
41:30
If it's a ring could he wear? It so I I need to bring up Nancy
41:35
again. Could he wear it so if he hits
41:37
her with it, he causes damage and more pain?
41:40
I think with an 84 year old, I hate to think about these kinds
41:44
of things. Would I wear a ring to cause
41:47
more damage to somebody that, I mean, that's the for every
41:52
action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.
41:54
So I'm going to get hurt by that too.
41:57
And she's 80. 4 do you need do you need pain compliance than 84
42:01
year old woman? I man, I don't think so.
42:03
I don't think so. Philip Carter but the FBI don't
42:08
clear any body until the case is solved.
42:12
I I'm just going by what the sheriff said.
42:17
Oh and cooler by the lake Sheriff has walked the family
42:19
has been cleared statement back. OK again politician let me just
42:26
go a couple more glam bird is also gluten free have a daughter
42:29
with Crohn's so I can relate. Bravo for the home baking.
42:32
Yes, our our daughter loves baking.
42:35
Our non celiac daughter loves loves loves baking.
42:38
She does really good stuff and I nailed it Oklahoma very good OK,
42:42
let's continue on tonight's going to be long guys.
42:45
I'm sorry, I normally try to wrap this up in about an hour,
42:48
but. We've got a couple more things
42:50
that we want to get through. OK, let's talk about genetic
42:55
genealogy. This written by Adam Sabas.
43:01
Or sabes, I don't know. Nancy on Fox News Nancy Guthrie
43:06
DNA evidence from glove undergoes genetic genealogy
43:09
testing Dateline Tucson Advanced DNA testing, which combines
43:13
crime scene DNA analysis and information from commercial
43:16
commercial genealogy databases, could take weeks or months to
43:19
process after the DNA found on the glove near Nancy Guthrie's
43:23
home didn't produce a match in the FBI database, according to
43:26
an expert. And we talked about this
43:28
yesterday. During an interview with Fox
43:30
News on Tuesday, Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos said the DNA
43:34
recovered from Guthrie's home, as well as a glove found near
43:37
the house, wasn't a match for any records found in the FBI
43:40
database known as the Combined DNA Index System, or CODIS.
43:45
So he's adding into that the home, the.
43:47
DNA found inside the home didn't match CODIS as well an FBI
43:51
official. Told.
43:52
Fox News Digital That investigative genetic genealogy
43:55
is underway in the Guthrie investigation.
43:58
Retired Special Agent Jason Pak told Fox News Digital that
44:02
investigative genetic genealogy is a technique used by FBI that
44:05
combines DNA analysis from crime scenes with searching publicly
44:08
available commercial genealogy databases.
44:11
The old fashioned and old fashioned genealogy research,
44:14
Again, we talked about this yesterday, said the
44:18
investigative genetic genealogy could take several weeks to
44:21
several months in a case like this, noting it's not a quick
44:23
database check. And that is correct.
44:25
It's not a one to one. The actual processing of the DNA
44:31
does not take all that long, assuming that there's not a lab
44:35
backup, right, But a couple of days and they can have those
44:40
reports, they can have, they can have those snips that they can
44:44
upload to the database. But from there on out, it is.
44:48
Old. Fashioned genealogy research and
44:52
that and that takes real skill as a.
44:56
You guys are going to laugh at this, but I.
44:58
Am an amateur genealogist. It it has to do with the
45:06
culture. Of my upbringing, right, My
45:09
religious practice. But genealogy is very important
45:14
to to people of my faith and family history is very, very
45:18
important. So it is something that I do on
45:21
the regular. It is it takes skill, skill far
45:27
beyond what I am able to do. But, and yeah, it could take it
45:32
take a while. So once quote, once the DNA
45:35
profile is built from the glove, a genealogist builds a family
45:38
tree working outward from partial matches in consumer
45:41
databases like Gedmatch or Family Tree DNA.
45:44
You're essentially reconstructing someone's family
45:46
history from distant cousins and working your way inward until
45:50
you can identify a common ancestor and then narrow down a
45:53
specific individual. The timeline depends on a few
45:56
variables. So that is ongoing.
45:59
That could take, that could take a long time.
46:03
And, and I, I'm I know just based on the kind of people that
46:09
we know are genetic genealogy researchers.
46:12
They are they have a passion for this and so I'm sure they're
46:19
they're giving it their all. OK.
46:23
And then a couple one more before we get to the long one.
46:26
This from CBS News written by 4 writers Amanda Arden, Jonathan
46:31
Vilioti, Jordan Freeman and Alex Sundby.
46:36
Investigators have not ruled out that an accomplice aided the
46:39
suspected kidnapper seen in the doorbell camera video outside
46:44
the Tucson, AZ, home of Nancy Guthrie the night of her
46:46
disappearance, according to Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos.
46:50
Blah blah blah. Video recovered There are
46:54
additional cameras from the property that engineers are
46:56
still working through as they try to recover usable video.
47:00
Investigators are hopeful that tech companies working on the
47:02
videos will uncover more, according to the Sheriff's
47:04
Department. Authorities haven't named a
47:06
suspect or person of interest in the case and did not provide
47:09
further information about a possible accomplice.
47:11
So I, I think it probably is, I, I think that it's probable that
47:15
there's more than one person working on this crime.
47:21
It just, it just feels like one person isn't going to get away
47:23
with this. There has to be an accomplice.
47:25
But that that's just, that's just me.
47:29
OK, this from the New York Times.
47:33
And the reason that I want to talk talk specifically about
47:37
this is because it's talking about us.
47:41
It's talking about people like us now, the way that I have been
47:46
expressing this ever since the Nick Reiner case.
47:49
But I have been living this and we all have been living this on
47:53
this channel for the entire time that I have been a channel is we
47:57
want to temper our speculation with compassion and with
47:59
humanity. That was that is a that that was
48:07
something that the Reiner family asked of the public.
48:10
And I took it to heart. And I love what we we, we temper
48:15
our speculation with compassion and with humanity.
48:18
We don't want to be the kind of people that rub salt in an open
48:22
wound. This is this is important to us.
48:25
We want to learn new things. It is, I mean, we're going to be
48:28
honest, it is rather entertaining and fascinating to
48:35
watch the law enforcement process play out not only law
48:39
enforcement process, but also the prosecutorial process later
48:43
on. But I I thought.
48:45
That I would. Share this with you guys just as
48:47
a reminder so that we can not be guilty of rubbing salt in the
48:54
wounds of the family members of victims.
48:58
OK, the the headline here is rampant speculation in the
49:01
Guthrie cases. Like quote salt on the open
49:04
wound. The police seem stumped.
49:08
Nancy Guthrie has been kidnapped had been kidnapped in the night,
49:11
and investigators had no idea who was responsible.
49:13
But a legion of amateur sleuths and true crime obsessives had
49:17
already made-up their minds. It was a family member seeking
49:21
inheritance money. One YouTube comment or guest.
49:25
Something seemed off about the older daughter.
49:27
Another set on Reddit on X. One woman wrote confidently that
49:30
she had seen enough true crime shows to know that it was the
49:34
older daughter and son-in-law who are guilty.
49:36
After all, the onlookers reasoned, that's the way these
49:39
things usually play out. Fevered and unfounded
49:43
speculation chromed around social media, live streams and
49:48
message boards. And by Monday, Sheriff Chris
49:51
Nanos of Pima County, Arizona, was fed up.
49:53
Three weeks in, he said, armchair detectives were still
49:57
flinging allegations that were not only incorrect but also
50:00
cruel. The sheriff issued an
50:03
exasperated statement publicly ruling out Miss Guthrie's
50:07
children and their spouses as suspects, a move he had resisted
50:10
because he wanted to avoid officially eliminating anyone
50:13
until the culprit was in custody.
50:15
By the way, this was published today in The New York Times.
50:22
Quote I just got tired. Of it, Sheriff Nano said in an
50:25
interview on Tuesday. Yesterday quote, I need to step
50:29
in when my victims are being re victimized by some knuckleheads
50:32
out there. He doesn't really, he doesn't
50:35
really, but he feels that he does.
50:38
And so he did the desperate and you know what?
50:41
And I don't blame him. I'm but remember our previous
50:45
conversation about he is a politician, OK?
50:48
He can just let it roll off his back and continue his
50:51
investigation the way other professionals do.
50:54
But he is a politician, not a law enforcement officer.
50:56
First and foremost, the disappearance of Miss Guthrie,
50:59
84, the mother of today's show host Savannah Guthrie, has
51:02
captured the nation's attention and it's lurid imagination.
51:06
An online ecosystem devoted to making entertainment of high
51:10
profile murders and mysteries has turbocharged interest in the
51:13
case. Miss Guthrie's case is one of
51:16
many in recent years to set off such a fervor as true crime
51:19
stories have become big business in a world where engagement is
51:22
easily monetized. And that is not untrue.
51:25
That is true. Exhibit A, Your Honor.
51:30
Gavin Fish's YouTube channel. This is a.
51:31
Monetized channel. I do this as as part of my job
51:36
in order to earn money for my family because I know that it is
51:40
something that is desired that there is a demand for and
51:44
something that I can provide what I work.
51:47
Really hard to do. Though is to not be super
51:50
speculative and to keep the victims in in my mind and in my
51:56
heart. And there are so many other
51:58
channels that do this very well too.
52:00
There so many, but I think that we might be in the minority.
52:05
And the ones that do are the ones that you guys all tend to
52:08
watch, right? Like at least watchers of my
52:11
channel tend to watch. That's Ghisla Kay over at
52:14
Grizzly True Crime. That is Joel Waldman over
52:17
surviving the survivor. That is Josh Ritter over
52:21
courtroom confidential that and then for the just the
52:25
storytelling channels that Cheryl and Dale that's they're
52:28
just there's so many, but it's not untrue what they're saying
52:34
here. Engagement like this is
52:36
monetizable. You can make a living off of
52:39
this and for big media companies, you can make so much
52:44
money off of this. Continuing the article.
52:47
But the frenzied atmosphere often gives way to reckless and
52:50
inaccurate accusations. The 2022 killings of four
52:54
University of Idaho students, for instance, left a trail of
52:58
those wrongly blamed. Crime has long enthralled, but
53:02
the Internet has enabled the public to participate in
53:04
investigations vicariously. Now, true crime fanatics do not
53:08
need to wait for a case to be cracked for a podcast to drop.
53:11
They can try to solve it themselves.
53:13
And by the way, this isn't a bad thing, right?
53:16
This is not a bad thing at all. Yeah.
53:20
A great comment here from Daddy Crab.
53:23
The mainstream media is monetized.
53:25
Yeah, 100%. And thank you very much for
53:28
that, for that super chat. I deeply appreciate it.
53:31
You know, I, I don't ask for super chats and super sticker
53:34
super stickers all the time, but boy, does it help.
53:39
And I am really grateful. Thanks, Daddy Crab.
53:42
And that is a very good point. The mainstream media is
53:45
monetized too. OK, good.
53:48
Thank you for that. OK Oh, by the way, this isn't a
53:54
bad thing, right? True crime fanatics do not need
53:56
to wait for a case to be cracked for a podcast to drop.
53:59
They can try to solve it themselves.
54:01
Guys, if it weren't for the work of so-called true crime
54:07
fanatics, Gabby Petito's body might still be laying in that
54:13
Creek bed. Alan Greenberg's case may still
54:18
be just chalked up as another self unaliving.
54:25
There's There are lots of cases where there was real meaningful
54:34
participation. And so, yeah, I this is not a
54:41
bad thing, but all good things taken to the extreme can be bad,
54:46
right? Content creators and their
54:48
followers have flocked to Miss Guthrie St. in the foothills of
54:51
Tucson, joining the throng of television and newspaper
54:54
reporter standing Sentinel. This drives me nuts.
54:57
OK, that sentence, I just want to slap the author for it
55:02
because the the so-called like what would we say?
55:09
How would I describe this? Let me look for the proper word,
55:13
self ordained media like they have.
55:18
They have a higher calling and it is only them that that should
55:22
be standing Sentinel is bull crap.
55:27
Long before long before giant established media companies, the
55:34
media was a citizen driven thing and I think it still should be
55:40
standing Sentinel. Those reporters are just as bad
55:44
as the people that they're complaining about in this
55:46
article. But the I mean, the point is
55:50
night lost, not lost on me that there are unscrupulous Youtubers
55:54
and podcasters that are doing nothing to help out on the
55:59
street. Nancy Guthrie St.
56:01
In fact, I saw one today that was live streaming from the
56:04
street, absolutely nothing, just a live camera and there were
56:09
31,000 people watching it. I can't tell you how much money
56:14
that guy was making guys, that guy was making so much money.
56:20
I I bet that live stream. Let me just do some calculations
56:24
real quick. Let's see, I bet that guy made
56:33
$50,000 today standing on the street in front of Nancy
56:39
Guthrie's house, just with a camera pointed at nothing
56:42
happening. What am I doing?
56:46
I should I? No, I'm not going to do that.
56:49
But yeah. The spotlight of the case has
56:54
led to 10s of thousands of tips, the authorities have said.
56:56
Good. But the accompanying conjecture
56:59
and those tips wouldn't have come in without this spotlight.
57:04
But the accompanying conjecture is complicated and already
57:07
difficult investigation and has stung Miss Guthrie's grieving
57:10
family. I'm sure that's true as well.
57:12
The assertion that Miss Guthrie's son-in-law was or
57:14
could be the prime suspect as the news anchor.
57:17
Remember, not a member of the new the new media, not a
57:23
YouTube, not a podcaster, but a news anchor and parenthetically,
57:30
podcast host Ashley Banfield put it risked endangering law
57:33
enforcement officials delicate relationship with the Guthrie
57:36
family, a key source of information.
57:38
Sheriff Nanos said Miss Banfield has defended her report and
57:42
maintained that the son-in-law was the focus of investigators
57:44
of the time. Then she was probably right.
57:47
Such speculation has also inspired a flood of baseless
57:50
tips, the sheriff added, which has distracted officers from
57:57
more credible clues. However, the catch 22, of
57:59
course, is he wouldn't have had the credible clues without all
58:02
the baseless tips. Quote you're taking away
58:04
valuable resources for wild goose chases Sheriff Nanos set.
58:08
Well, lucky for Sheriff Nanos, the nation's law enforcement
58:13
division is helping, too. Technology has made it easier to
58:16
follow investigations in real time, but the public typically
58:18
lacks the training and access to crucial facts that the
58:21
authorities rely on to form their conclusion, said John
58:24
Iannarelli. Iannarelli, a former assistant
58:27
special agent in charge of the FB is Phoenix division.
58:30
And that's certainly true. A case is almost never as simple
58:33
as it might appear to curious civilians who have become
58:35
accustomed to mysteries tightly wrapped up in police procedurals
58:39
and documentaries, he said. Also probably true.
58:43
It's very easy to sit back from the outside and say, hey, this
58:45
person should be the suspect, Mr. Iannarelli said.
58:48
We have ACSI generation where we expect everything to be solved
58:52
in an hour, but the reality is it takes time.
58:54
For some following investigators, every move has
58:59
proved profitable. Yeah, look at that picture.
59:04
Actually, I can see Brian in standing right there.
59:06
You can't miss him. Those that silvery mane is.
59:10
Is Josh Ritter out there? I can't tell.
59:12
Anyway, live streamers have seen record views and have raked in
59:18
followers. The gossip outlet TMZ, which
59:20
received a ransom note from someone purporting to be Miss
59:23
Guthrie's kidnapper shortly after her disappearance, has
59:26
covered the case seemingly non-stop.
59:28
And the GAMBLING SITE Polymarket has recorded $145,000 in bets
59:33
about when the abductor would be arrested.
59:35
If that's just sick, I have not raked in record views.
59:40
By the way, my record views were raked in on Madeline Soto and
59:43
Gabby Petito quote. People are grifting off this
59:47
terrible and sad situation, said Alma Hernandez, an Arizona State
59:51
representative. I I would go to.
59:54
I would venture to say Alma pronounces his name or her name
59:59
Hernandez, which would be awesome because that's the way
1:00:02
it's pronounced anyway. An Arizona State representative
1:00:04
whose district includes part of Tucson and who has followed the
1:00:07
search closely, she has watched misinformation flourish and has
1:00:11
seen content creators implicate innocent bystanders and tail
1:00:15
police vehicles. Yeah, and the news media is
1:00:18
doing that, too. It compromises everyone's safety
1:00:21
and compromises the investigation itself, Miss
1:00:23
Hernandez said. It's not helpful.
1:00:24
Honestly, it's just creepy. I.
1:00:27
Guys, part of what is being said here, Tiene Rosson, as they
1:00:34
would say in Spanish, right, it has it, it's valid.
1:00:41
However, also without it, I, I don't think this case would be
1:00:48
will be solved without help from the public.
1:00:52
I I just don't just finish this up.
1:00:56
Is this Yeah, we're going to end up reading this whole thing.
1:00:58
The sensationalizing of someone's darkest days also has
1:01:02
a lasting impact on those around them, said Danielle C Slack,
1:01:05
off, criminal justice professor at California State University,
1:01:08
Sacramento, SAC State, my hometown, who has studied how
1:01:13
media portrayals of true crime affect family and friends of the
1:01:15
victim. Quote.
1:01:16
It can leave their family feeling like their loved one
1:01:18
didn't matter, that it's the graphic details people care
1:01:22
about, not the real person at the center of the story, Miss
1:01:25
Lakoff said. They didn't ask for this to
1:01:26
happen. This isn't some mystery or game
1:01:28
to them. This is their real life.
1:01:30
And I agree with that. And that is why we work really
1:01:33
hard to temper our speculation with humanity and with
1:01:40
compassion. But it's it.
1:01:42
It isn't for us the graphic details that we care about.
1:01:45
It is the victim that we care about here.
1:01:48
Those closest to Miss Guthrie have felt this acutely.
1:01:51
Her children have not spoken publicly beyond social media
1:01:54
videos pleading for help finding their mother.
1:01:57
But Miss Guthrie's friends have said the online accusations have
1:02:00
been painful to read. I'm sure they have.
1:02:02
Chris Federer, who has known Miss Guthrie for nearly two
1:02:05
decades, said she was relieved when the Sheriff's Department
1:02:07
absolved the family. Thank God, she said, not because
1:02:11
she had worried they were culpable, but because she hoped
1:02:13
it would end the harassment Miss Guthrie's children and their
1:02:16
spouses have endured. Let me pause for a moment on
1:02:18
this one and just address this. Never on this channel, guys.
1:02:25
We are better than this. We do not harass people.
1:02:28
We do not lob accusations at them, Even people that we.
1:02:32
Hold like like 2 of the people. That I just really, really have
1:02:39
a hard time even finding an ounce of love within myself.
1:02:46
Are Chris and Roberta Laundry I. Have a real hard.
1:02:51
Time with their behavior during the the time that Gabby Petito
1:02:56
was missing. I understand it on an
1:02:59
intellectual level, but on a human level, Dang it guys, I
1:03:03
have. I have a real hard time with
1:03:04
those people. But I was.
1:03:05
Still PIST that there were people harassing them, screaming
1:03:15
at them, yelling obscenities at them because because none of
1:03:19
that helps and it. Just it devolves into.
1:03:23
It devolves into like a Lord of the Flies kind of situation, and
1:03:27
we are better than that. So please, if, if you ever are
1:03:31
tempted to do something like that, please please, please just
1:03:34
remember Uncle Gavin, Uncle Gavin's.
1:03:36
Plea to you. Oh, what are we going to do
1:03:39
here, guys? Here we go.
1:03:41
Here we we have an Uncle Gavin moment.
1:03:43
Where? Where?
1:03:44
Here we go. Listen
1:04:00
OK kids, it's Uncle Gavin here. It is stupid to go about
1:04:08
harassing people, tailing people, causing them to feel
1:04:12
unsafe, shouting obscenities, or demonstrating certain salutes
1:04:20
with one's hands. It is not.
1:04:23
One, it doesn't help the situation at all.
1:04:26
And two, it's that's just what idiots do.
1:04:28
OK? Don't be an idiot.
1:04:31
Don't be a dill hole. Yeah, don't be a dill.
1:04:39
Hole, Just just be human, be compassionate, be a good person
1:04:47
and your life will be happier. OK, this has been brought to you
1:04:51
by Uncle Gavin. Let's continue with the article.
1:04:57
Let's see. It hurts the family.
1:04:59
Miss Federer said. As if all this isn't bad enough,
1:05:03
why are we pull putting salt in on an open wound?
1:05:06
She said she has been alarmed by the rampant theorizing from
1:05:09
people with no connection to the case who know nothing about the
1:05:11
family. OK, Nancy is a grandma, she's a
1:05:14
friend to many, and this isn't helping things, Miss Federer
1:05:17
said. Miss Guthrie's relatives and
1:05:19
friends, she added, are real people with hearts and souls and
1:05:22
are living through a freaking nightmare.
1:05:24
A freaking nightmare. Another friend, Vicki Edwards,
1:05:28
said the speculation has been agonizing.
1:05:31
The unfounded commentary from true crime personalities and
1:05:33
social media influencers only adds to that burden, Miss
1:05:37
Edwards said in a text message. Of course, the irony here is
1:05:40
that the Times had to reach out to them and bother them too in
1:05:43
order to get these quotes. Quote.
1:05:45
The noise continues to distract from what really matters,
1:05:48
supporting one another and keeping the focus on Nancy's
1:05:50
safe return. So with that, I just want to say
1:05:54
kudos to you and hopefully to me for really working hard to just
1:06:02
be interested and compassionate and, and for those of us who are
1:06:08
prayerful, prayerful that Nancy will return.
1:06:13
And that is the end of my diatribe.
1:06:16
Let me hop in to what your comments are saying.
1:06:22
Do do do do do do do do do do do.
1:06:25
Thank you very much Pauline Knuckles for the Super chat.
1:06:30
Awesome, deeply appreciate that. Prime numbers.
1:06:37
Any news on the Google searches prior to the kidnapping?
1:06:39
I did cover that a little bit thanks to a comment on the live
1:06:42
stream. Nothing else that I can find.
1:06:49
Broke, broke. Stacker, why would you put a
1:06:51
bull's eye on Nancy Guthrie's face for your thumbnail?
1:06:53
You're better than that. I did that as a visual
1:06:56
representation that she was targeted.
1:06:58
That's why I did that. And maybe I am better than that.
1:07:05
Unbox life with Laurie. I agree.
1:07:07
Gavin is keeping people engaged. It really is Philip Carter.
1:07:11
CS says Philip Carter says yes. I know.
1:07:14
I'm just educating the rest of the folks on that here.
1:07:17
OK? Amy says that she agrees.
1:07:22
Thank you very much. And Katie, please take the
1:07:25
bullseye graphic off Nancy Guthrie.
1:07:27
Insensitive. Maybe it is.
1:07:29
I'll think about it. Thank you very much for that.
1:07:31
And and you know. I appreciate you guys.
1:07:35
Calling me out on stuff I do. I really do.
1:07:39
OK, what time is it, man? It's a long one tonight.
1:07:43
Let's move on to three questions.
1:07:44
Here we go. How?
1:07:52
OK in this segment guys, I answer 3 questions that are sent
1:07:56
in to me by you to the e-mail address
1:07:59
threequestions@gavinfish.com. It's spelled out three questions
1:08:03
at gavinfish.com. I solemnly promise that I will
1:08:07
answer all the questions that come in, not in the order in
1:08:10
which they appear, but in the order that interests me the
1:08:13
most. I've got like a little table
1:08:14
that I'm that I'm going through and marking as answered when I
1:08:17
answer them. But you can send in one
1:08:19
question. You can send in 100 questions.
1:08:21
I think I'm down to about maybe 10 questions left on my list.
1:08:25
So if you have any questions that you want me to answer,
1:08:28
could be about me personally, could be about a case, could be
1:08:31
about a lot of different things. Please go ahead and send that
1:08:33
into three questions at gavinfish.com.
1:08:36
OK, first question of the night came in from Zoe.
1:08:39
And why is it doing that? Let's drag this this way so it
1:08:43
fits in there. That looks better.
1:08:45
OK. How long do you think it would
1:08:47
take for them to find who took Nancy?
1:08:50
Do you think it will take more weeks, a few months or a few
1:08:53
years? Well, I don't know what the
1:08:56
statistics are on this. Zoe, I would love your opinion
1:08:59
in the live chat and in the comments, especially those of
1:09:03
you over on Spotify. Thank you for listening on
1:09:05
Spotify. If you are a Spotify user,
1:09:08
please consider following me there.
1:09:11
There's a link down in the description below.
1:09:14
It definitely helps the channel to have followers.
1:09:16
It gets the, it gets the, it gets me out in front of more
1:09:20
people and that really helps me and I appreciate it.
1:09:23
How long? I don't have the statistics on
1:09:26
this, but I think the more time passes, the lower the likelihood
1:09:31
is that she's going to be found. I no, I don't want that to be
1:09:38
the case. I want her to be found soon and
1:09:42
safe. But So what do I think?
1:09:48
Weeks, months, years, yes. I I just don't know.
1:09:52
I just don't know. And our job is, I think the, the
1:09:58
more eyeballs stay on this, the, the longer it stays in the
1:10:02
zeitgeist, the, the greater the likelihood that we, that we will
1:10:07
get a break in this case. So we're, we're doing our best
1:10:12
to do that. But, but I, I hope it's ours,
1:10:17
man, I hope it's soon. But I think statistically we're
1:10:23
going to have a hard time finding her ever.
1:10:27
It's so sad but. Let's keep hope, Let's keep
1:10:29
hope. Alive question #2 and tell me
1:10:32
your opinion in the in the chat. Have you ever been?
1:10:34
Told you have a. Doppelganger.
1:10:36
This came in from Amy and Amy sent in a photo of this supposed
1:10:41
doppelganger. Now I will say this doppelganger
1:10:45
was a slightly overweight fellow with Long.
1:10:48
Hair and a beard, but it didn't didn't look like a doppelganger
1:10:53
to me Plus. My mom always told me that I'm
1:10:58
the handsomest boy in the world. So how could there be a
1:11:01
doppelganger? And when I asked my wife, I
1:11:05
asked her this very day, hey, was my mom lying to me?
1:11:07
And my wife said, no, you are the handsomest boy.
1:11:11
So I don't think that I have a doppelganger.
1:11:14
And Amy, the one that you sent in, I don't even think is even
1:11:16
close. But so, no, I've, I've never
1:11:22
been told that and I'm, I still don't believe it.
1:11:25
Now, if you find a doppelganger and I'm not just talking to Amy,
1:11:28
anybody here, I would love to see it, send it in, see it, see
1:11:33
if there is one out there. Thanks for the question, Amy.
1:11:38
Last question, what are your thoughts about?
1:11:40
The unaliving of Kurt Cobain in April 1994.
1:11:43
I remember that very well. Yeah, I actually remember that
1:11:49
very well. And I know that there is a lot
1:11:51
of talk now there's speculation and we just had a long
1:11:56
conversation about speculation. I, I don't, I don't buy into the
1:12:04
speculation that that he was murdered.
1:12:09
I think that it was a sad situation with, with mental
1:12:15
illness or mental health, with a mental health crisis that he had
1:12:20
everything to live for. And man, I in, in my opinion,
1:12:25
chose, chose not to. And, and I'm saying that
1:12:30
understanding that, understanding what how hard
1:12:33
those feelings are to shake, how hard they are to break.
1:12:36
And if anybody's having those feelings right now, I'm telling
1:12:40
you, there is no shame in getting help.
1:12:45
Get please get help. But that's that's what I think,
1:12:47
Tricia, that and those are my thoughts.
1:12:49
Now tell me what your answers are to the three questions of
1:12:53
the night in the live chat and in the comments.
1:12:56
And while you are doing that, let's go ahead and talk about
1:13:00
some headlines. Here we go.
1:13:01
True crime headlines. Okie Dokie looks like David, who
1:13:17
is implicated in the death, let's say I think murder, but
1:13:24
death of Celeste Rivas Hernandez.
1:13:29
I have a picture of her here somewhere.
1:13:31
Let's bring up Celeste. There she is, at least this
1:13:35
headline from IB Times UK says. David's case update Grand jury
1:13:42
twist requires rapper's family to cooperate in Celeste Rivas's
1:13:45
Tesla death probe A Texas appeals court ruling has
1:13:49
intensified the investigation into the death of 14 year old
1:13:52
Celeste Rivas Hernandez, requiring members of the singer
1:13:55
David's family to comply with grand jury subpoenas in
1:13:57
California. The parents and brother of the
1:13:59
artist known as David have been contesting LA County's grand
1:14:03
jury supreme subpoenas with court records in Texas showing
1:14:06
that they argue that their due process rights were being
1:14:08
violated. The legal dispute centers on
1:14:11
demands centers spelled in the British way, of course, that
1:14:15
they testified before a California grand jury examining
1:14:18
the death. On Monday, February 16th, 1st
1:14:21
District Court of Appeals in Texas denied 3 habeas corpus
1:14:24
petitions seeking to overturn a lower court order.
1:14:27
So they must comply with those subpoenas.
1:14:29
So we'll keep our eye on that. This from a couple of days ago,
1:14:33
four days ago, the on Valentine's Day.
1:14:36
So Saturday but I missed it somehow coming out of ABC7
1:14:40
Chicago Cook County prosecutors at concealment of homicidal
1:14:44
death false reporting charges against Adam Bakarink and the
1:14:48
wife of in the death of his wife.
1:14:50
This is Caitlin Tracy If you'll remember this case, we have
1:14:53
covered this guy Peace O Workman Dateline Chicago telling new
1:15:00
charges have been added to the case against Chicago tax
1:15:03
attorney accused of murdering his wife Adam Bakarink, 47, is
1:15:06
accused of killing 36 year old Caitlin Tracy in October of 2024
1:15:10
by throwing her down a 29 story stairwell in the couple's high
1:15:15
rise condo building in the South Loop.
1:15:17
The I team analyzed the court filings that show a clearer
1:15:20
picture of where the prosecution may be heading, including plans
1:15:23
to seek a natural life sentence. Oh my goodness, that was an
1:15:30
excellent sneeze. Sorry about that.
1:15:33
Along with six murder charges, Cook County prosecutors have
1:15:36
added multiple concealment of a homicidal death and false
1:15:39
reporting charges against Backer Inc, who has been denied bond
1:15:43
since his extradition to Illinois following a domestic DV
1:15:47
sentence in Berrien County, Michigan.
1:15:50
So that is what's happening in the Caitlin Tracy case.
1:15:53
And then this one from a couple days ago from The Columbus
1:15:55
Dispatch. This is from their editorial
1:16:00
board. I think this is a terrific
1:16:01
article. I don't think we'll read the
1:16:02
whole thing, but a couple paragraphs.
1:16:05
This is important. Headline says TEPI deaths show
1:16:09
deadly cost of ignoring DV. The tragic deaths of Monique and
1:16:14
Spencer TEPI highlight the dangers of DV and why preventing
1:16:17
it and protecting and supporting survivors must be a community
1:16:21
priority. Anything less is unacceptable if
1:16:24
court records and statements from friends and family members
1:16:26
are true. Michael McKee, an Illinois
1:16:28
vascular surgeon, threatened, harassed and stalked Monique
1:16:31
Tepe, his ex-wife, after their divorce was finalized in June
1:16:35
2017. And kudos to the editorial board
1:16:38
for that caveat. That was just very well written.
1:16:41
They're they're protecting themselves against lawsuit
1:16:43
there. Rachel Lustig, president and CEO
1:16:46
of Lutheran Social Services of Central Ohio, which includes LSS
1:16:49
Choices for DV, said such disturbing behavior is far from
1:16:54
unheard of. Quote, the biggest danger occurs
1:16:57
immediately after the separation, but there's no
1:16:59
magical time at which it ends and no magical amount of time in
1:17:03
which healing occurs. She told us.
1:17:06
Choices provides counseling, shelter, crisis intervention,
1:17:09
education, and community and legal advocacy to Central Ohio
1:17:13
residents facing DV. Let me, let me just, yeah, this
1:17:23
is stuff that we that we covered about the case.
1:17:28
OK? Lust when to seek help.
1:17:30
Lustic said there are a variety of reasons why a victim may not
1:17:32
reach out for help, including fear that doing so might make
1:17:35
things worse or that the abuse isn't that bad.
1:17:38
She encourages those being victimized to seek help from DV
1:17:41
hotlines and or police. The hotline workers are trying
1:17:45
to help you understand what is happening and plan for your own
1:17:47
safety. Lestig said.
1:17:49
You do not have to have an urgent immediate situation to
1:17:52
call and get advice. That is important.
1:17:56
Something that I don't think we talked about.
1:17:58
It doesn't have to be in the moment of of an assault, for
1:18:02
example, it can be in a calm moment, in a safe moment.
1:18:07
You can call and get advice. Some people, she noted, may not
1:18:11
realize that help exists or that what they're experiencing is
1:18:14
DVA. Little more of half of
1:18:17
respondents to a joint survey conducted by the Columbus City
1:18:20
Attorney's Office, the Center for Family Safety and Healing at
1:18:23
Nationwide Children's Hospital and the Battered Women's Project
1:18:27
said they knew what community agencies to call for for help in
1:18:31
DV situations. Just a little more than half
1:18:34
more than 60% of respondents felt that DV was a big problem
1:18:38
in Franklin County. So let's let's see how they
1:18:44
conclude this listing says she knows the impact DV can have on
1:18:50
children and her heart goes out to the Tepi children and all
1:18:54
others who loved Monique and Spencer Tepi, a 37 year old
1:18:56
dentist and 39 year old stay at home mom with a master's in
1:19:00
early childhood education quote. I hope that we as a community
1:19:03
can do what's right by this family by doing everything we
1:19:06
can to combat DV in our community.
1:19:09
She said. Domestic or DV is not a personal
1:19:13
issue, it's a community issue. And boy is she right.
1:19:18
And once again, my kudos to the editorial board of The Columbus
1:19:25
Dispatch for publishing that. And those guys are your
1:19:30
headlines. True crime headlines.
1:19:39
OK, one last picaruni at the at the comments here.
1:19:45
Let me make sure that I get everything Emmy asks.
1:19:50
Can you please link the article? I don't know that I saved the
1:19:56
links to the articles. This is something that I should
1:19:59
do. I should put that as I'm
1:20:01
preparing a show. I should put all the articles
1:20:05
links to all the articles in the in the in the description.
1:20:12
I will I will try to do that from now on Emmy.
1:20:15
Sorry about that do. Do do do do do do.
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Do let me just keep on scrolling, make sure I've got
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everything. Yeah, good idea, says Tiff Knox.
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OK with that, guys, I know that we've gone on a little long
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tonight. Thank you so much for spending
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your time with me. We will keep our eye on this
1:20:34
case. We got to we got to keep
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attention on the case so that more valid tips come in.
1:20:41
If you're watching this and you know something about this,
1:20:44
please call Crime Stoppers. Please call the FBI 1800.
1:20:49
Call FBI or 88 Crime I think is what it is. 88 Let me just let
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me get that so that you have it. Yeah. 88 crime in Tucson,
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882-7463. You can be anonymous.
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Let me bring that up so you can see it.
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This is the reward up to $102,500.
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You can call locally 8827463 or you can call the FBI at 19800.
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Call FBI. Remember that you can always
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find me on my website gavinfish.com and you can reach
1:21:30
out to me there. You also, if you click on this
1:21:32
little fishy up here that will take you to the fish tank where
1:21:35
we hang out on Facebook. It looks like this.
1:21:38
If you search the fish tank or fans of Gavin Fish, you'll find
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it looks like we got about 6100 members there and we talk about
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all things true crime and you guys are always, always invited.
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With that, I shall bid you adieu.
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Thank you very much for spending your evening with me and I hope
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you'll do it again tomorrow night at the same time, same
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location. And until then, I bid you adieu.
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