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Setting Boundaries with Cheryl-Ann Lovie · Authentic Living

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Welcome to authentic living with Roxanne, a place where we have as conversations about
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things that really matter in our lives.
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And now here's your host, Roxanne Derhodge.
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Hi, everyone.
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It's, Roxanne Derhodge of authentic living with Roxanne.
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Today, I'm gonna say I have an amazing woman that I've been spending.
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We met about about a year ago, at least over a year ago, and our, writing group, we were
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privilege to some amazing women that get together.
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We started to get together, through the pandemic.
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And I would say, and I've shared this openly that was my thing to put structure into my day,
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but out of this has came some, an amazing network of, thought leaders, female talk
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thought leaders, and we meet, and we write, and we talk about all the things that are important
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to us, and we still we still meet every single morning since the beginning of the pandemic.
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And so, Cheryl Ann Levy, thanks so much for taking the time.
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To spend with us today.
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Oh, Roxanne.
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My pleasure.
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I am so grateful and honored to be asked to come on your podcast and speak to your viewers.
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I'm I equally feel the same as you about the writing group.
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We started in March of 20 20.
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I'm not sure whether you were on that first.
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Yes.
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I joined.
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I was right out off the hop, and I think I got to know you a little bit better later as we
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went along.
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Yes.
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And as the group maybe got a little smaller and more intimate, we we got to know each other a
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little bit better, but it's been such an incredible experience to build on something I
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was already starting, but it just encouraged that growth by having structure and routine
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every single day.
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So I also am so grateful to have met you.
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So I watched Sherylactic explain, like, Caroline and I just recently did, keynotes at,
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a huge conference of women in agriculture.
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Where I was able to hear her keynote, which was quite impressive.
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But I wanted to tell you a little bit about her background before we jump into some of the
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juicy nuggets about her story and the things that she's doing out there in the world with
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her keynote speaking and also her her book.
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So, Sean, tell this tell the listeners a bit about you and, what your background is.
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Well, thank you.
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I'd love to talk about myself.
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We like that too.
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Don't we?
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Yeah.
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It's fun.
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It's fun.
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Yeah.
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Actually, I started a heating and cooling company with my husband 16 years ago, And I
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found myself living in a world in a male dominated industry where I learned all kinds of
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new strategies, good and bad.
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And I feel like that company was instrumental in all of the boundaries that I've learned
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since then and that I've put forward in my book and the other parts of my life.
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But due to the fact that we owned that company, things were crazy.
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It was a extremely busy and, of course, then COVID hit and things got crazier.
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And we had to make some decisions to relieve some stress in our world.
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And that's where, things changed.
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Things got, you know, overly stressful.
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And I was the ham running on the wheel.
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I ran for board positions.
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I was, you know, being a big part in our community, trying to build growth within the
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community, as well as for my own business.
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Of course, you know, we can't we can't lie about these things.
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You're you're in that to expose yourself and put you out there, and I was doing that.
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For sure, but also met some incredible people and learned so much about what's the right way
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to live your life and what's the right way to to grow your yourself, not necessarily a
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business.
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And once you start growing yourself, that's when things really started to change for me.
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So let's talk a little bit about, obviously you've been in business.
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You're you're you know what it is to build a business from the ground up and, you, you know,
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I know you recently, when we met, you were in the process of selling it.
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But, obviously, the your story, and and she has this amazing book that will be launched, and
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we'll make sure that, you have links to her website, sherlandlovely.com.
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And called it's your term.
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So let's talk a little bit about kind of the pivotal moments and the experience that
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happened to you that made you think I I've gotta share this and and what happened there so
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that people can listen to, your story from that angle.
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Yeah.
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I think it's a great story because it it sends such a huge message to all of us that I was
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that hamster running on that wheel nonstop doing everything for everyone and not taking
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time for me.
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And I had just re returned home from Jamaica because Jason and I went on a trip thinking,
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we're just gonna get some time to ourselves and release.
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Came back and, you know, when you come back from vacation, you're just, like, overwhelmed.
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There's so much to do, and you're just almost more stressed than when you left to go on
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vacation.
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I felt that way anyway.
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And I noticed this small little spot at the top of my hairline, Now I did get a really bad burn
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in Jamaica.
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So I thought, you know, maybe it's that, and I didn't have time to concern myself with it.
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I had a job to do.
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I had to get going mid huge trade show coming up.
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I looked after all the organization of the trade show and I also sat stood on that floor
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for the next 4 days coming up to you know, sell my products and talk about my company.
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And so I was, you know, full on go to work, get things done as soon as I came home, literally
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tripping over luggage in my in my home, trying to get organized and ready for work.
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And every day, it was just getting a little bigger and a little bigger.
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And finally, because I thought I should open another business, I was looking at a retail
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property in Woodstock and my real estate agent.
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Who was suffering from a pretty serious disease himself, looked at me and said, Cheryl Anne,
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something's wrong with your head.
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Yeah.
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Kinda noticed the and then I looked in my mirror in my car, and it was my entire forehead
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had this big loop on it.
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So I thought, oh, I better I better or go.
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So I checked the walk in clinics in town, hadn't been to one of my life.
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Again, go figure.
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I don't go to the doctor very much.
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And I went to the clinic and he and I'm in the actual in the driveway of the clinic and I look
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over and the place is full.
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It said it opened at 5.
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It was 4:30.
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What is going on?
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How does this happen?
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People just arrive and hang out at the clinic, you know?
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So I got there and just as I'm about to get out of my car, it hit me.
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I have shingles.
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And the reason why I thought I had shingles is because I've been watching those commercials
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over and over and over again.
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And I all of a sudden just put 22 together.
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I thought this is what it is.
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This is what I have on my head is shingles.
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And I walked in the door and he said, You have shingles, my friend, and it's too late for the
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antivirus.
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I might as well feed you chiclets.
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So it was a moment in time that I believe God sent me a really strong message that or you're
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going to doomed.
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This is going to be a lot worse than shingles.
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And from that day forward.
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I heard everything from everyone.
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You know, you're going to suffer so much.
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This pain is so intense.
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This is going to be the worst ever.
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I didn't realize that this actual shingles that I had was called Ramsey Hunt syndrome because
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it affected my eye and Ramsey Hunt syndrome is very very serious over and above what shingles
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can do to you because it actually affects you more neurologically because shingles is
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affecting your nerves.
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And so, therefore, I covered my whole face, my eyes are swelled shut, and you know what?
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I really think that if I would've had shingles on my back, or my stomach or under my arm, I
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probably still would have went to that trade show on on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
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Maybe Thursday and set up.
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I mean, I was that kind of person that would have said, you know, I can I can muddle
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through?
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But when your face is swelled, to I couldn't see.
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I I was literally in bed for 16 days.
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Close to your eye?
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Was it close to your eye?
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No.
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It was inside my eye.
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Right?
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Oh my goodness.
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My people, and also on the sides of my eye.
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And in that keynote, I actually showed a couple pictures just so people could see this wasn't
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Not that shingles is minor ever because it really isn't because it's not just the lesions
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that you suffer from with shingles, but you also get an overall feeling of unwell, like
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you're you're just not well.
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And for somebody like me, like I told you when we were speaking before, I'm a type.
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I just go.
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And if I'm sick, I make it as much as I possibly can, and that's not always wise.
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That's just because I may type doesn't mean that's a good thing sometimes, you know, and it
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it forced me to take some time to really heal and get better.
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And in that time, I also I listened because I couldn't see but I listen.
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I use below.
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Let's talk about that slowing.
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Right?
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Like, because I'm curious about that.
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Right?
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You know, understanding that, you know, a lot of, entrepreneurs, debt, and you're a single
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Charlene was a single mom with twins, not just one, but 2.
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And, you know, making her on her own, doing lots of things.
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When you get slowed, something happens.
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And I've often heard this, and I I think I have a bit of a story like that as well in my own
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life.
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What happened to you when you slowed down?
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Well, I think what happened to me is that I started first of all, I started to ask why me?
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You know, I think that's that's the first thing that happens is you start to ask yourself, why
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me?
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And because I'm such a positive person all the time anyway, I began to look at it as more of
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a, why me god, you know, why am I going through this?
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There has to be a good solid reason.
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So I think that was my number one, you know, dig deeper.
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And then once I did that, then I started to just Take the time to release.
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Like, I need to just get rid of all this stress.
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I need to just and I also needed to realize that I didn't have to do everything.
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They could help.
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My team I had a full team.
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I had 9 staff at that time.
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You know, they can they can do this.
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I don't have to be on the floor, although just so know, we didn't sell as many barbecues that
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year.
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I have to take, you know, I have to throw that in there because you know, that's just I'm a
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sales girl.
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That's what I do.
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So that was, difficult for for me to swallow, but it it's fine.
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It's fine.
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I I I feel like what I went through gave me time.
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It's almost like meditation.
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You know, you you actually can calm because there's not all these I couldn't do it.
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I couldn't go anywhere.
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I couldn't worry about it.
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I couldn't think about it.
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I just released it.
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And I let it be I wonder, like, and I'm curious, right?
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Like, if you threw this reflection and stuff like that, in that quiets, you, you know, you
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obviously had to listen and I I shouldn't say you had to be listened and you learned.
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And obviously, although this came, this is an this amazing book.
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Where do you think that message that you had to do it all on your own start?
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Was there a particular time when you kind of look back that you think, oh, this is kinda
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where this is a little bud kinda got planted.
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And then, you know, all those years later, you know, this this the shingles is kinda giving
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you the same.
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It's giving you the full blossom up the flower and you're realizing, oh, I have gotta do
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something about this.
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Well, Roxanne, you couldn't have asked a better question.
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That's That's incredible because that's it does start way back there.
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You know, it starts way back when that bud's formed.
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Those roots are planted really strong.
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And they're the ones you don't see.
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And I wrote that in my book.
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I was raised by an alcoholic.
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I had a great mom who was very responsible, not necessarily stable, but responsible, paid our
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bills, made sure we were looked after fed clothed, you know, lived in a sort of middle
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class type lifestyle, but still struggled because she was living with an alcoholic.
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And I I remember just looking at them all.
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Probably, I I was young.
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I might I know I was young because it was when I feel I have my first memories of my self talk
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when I I need to be in control somehow, like somehow I have to be different than them.
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And I think that's where it started is where I just thought, you know what?
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I have to be the one orchestrating or it's just gonna get all messed up like it was in my home.
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It was a crazy chaotic lifestyle that I lived in, and that's, I think, you know, sometimes
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the adversity is what and the resilience that we learn is what teaches us about finding the
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hidden gift.
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We wouldn't even go looking for it if we didn't have some of that sometimes in our background.
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Absolutely.
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And, you know, obviously, you you are driven to achieve certain goals.
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And it's isn't it interesting that a lot of times you'll see people around kind of the
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agent stage where something happens to them and all of a sudden, they they're they're reckon to
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to stop and listen, take the positives from the adversity, which obviously was a lot of
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positives in your adversity, but to also say what parts of, some of the patterns that I had.
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Okay.
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It's it helped me get this far, but I don't know if gonna go on the rest of the journey
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with me here.
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And, you know, that's where you have the fork in the road.
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So let's talk a little bit about that.
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Like, you're you're on your back.
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You you covered your your listening, you're having to do all these things.
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What kind of things did you start to do to learn, to take care of yourself, and then what
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did you start to discontinue so that you could kind of be at the space that you're at now.
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Fantastic.
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I actually feel like The intensity of learning was what got me here.
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I I'm as I told you, I'm a type.
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So as soon as I realized that this was is happening for a really good reason, that life
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is happening for us.
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Then I started to draw into what do I need to do to help myself?
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And I started to listen to people.
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Like Brene Brown, like Tony Robbins, like peep I like Tony because I'm a grit kind of a girl.
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That's how I made it in the male dominated industry.
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So I I like Tony Robbins that I like Gary V.
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I I listen to those people regularly, so I could build more information to know how to
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deal with this stress and how does take things out of my life.
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And what I really realized is that I can only control what I can control.
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Only thing that my hands touch and my mind deals with is what I can control.
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So I started to changed the way I looked at the things I was doing in my life.
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And if my team could do it, then I orchestrated and taught them how to do that.
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It might be in my wheelhouse, now, but I can move it over to their trailer and let them deal
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with it.
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And that's what I think was the biggest lesson in my journey was a, finding mentors, like
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finding some great people to really build on.
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And even as I told you before, listening to your podcast, even gave me more information for
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moving forward with my, speaking business and how that, you know, strengthens you just to
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grab some some really good solid information.
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And then here's the next biggest thing.
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Write down what you want.
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It's gotta be concrete.
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It's gotta be real.
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You can't just go along saying, oh, I'm gonna be I took this as a message, and I'm gonna get
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better, and I'm not gonna do this, and I'm not gonna do that.
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You actually really need to focus on on what you want so that you can start eliminating
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things to get there.
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And you know, there were there were things in people in my life that were creating stress for
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me, and I was just going along.
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My dad I I was now looking after my abuser.
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I mean, that's probably a a a one of the biggest challenge is I had to overcome.
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Everyone was like, why are you being so nice to him?
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Why are you looking after him?
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He did all these, you know, and I had to I I didn't have to explain to them.
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I had to explain to me why I was doing what I was doing, and I was doing it because I wasn't
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mirroring him.
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I wasn't going to be who he was.
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I was going to walk away feeling like I controlled and managed the relationship with my
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dad now.
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And it I wasn't always there.
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Perfect.
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Every I wasn't.
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I did what I did for me.
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To help me, but I still looked after him and laid him to rest in 2019.
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And I have no regrets about how I managed his life.
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And my own during that process.
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Because when I got shingles, I was back and forth with him.
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Should I look after him?
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Should I be nice to him?
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Should I be angry Should I those things are are real life.
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That's real life stuff that happens.
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And how do you deal with it when it's it's my dad?
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So, really, what we're talking about here is, you know, and and bear with me as I kinda
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reiterate this.
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It's like, yeah.
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You you know, you you adapted.
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Right?
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Like I said, it's an adaptive process where you figured out, okay, what is it that I have to do
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to survive?
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And I figured out who Cheryl Anna is through this.
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And then I learned not to rely on others because there wasn't enough space for my, you
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know, your mom didn't the best she could with what she had.
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And then when shingles came around, it allowed you to really, look at boundaries, which
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clearly you set some boundaries.
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First of all, Sounds like with yourself, and then you ultimately set boundaries with what
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I'm gonna say.
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Who's around you in that ten foot radius?
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So that you could be that could be more of a reflective lens of the kind of life that you
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needed to have to continue to be successful and healthy.
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Absolutely.
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And keep in mind, those ten people around us, my my I have, like you said, twins, but I also
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had a third child.
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So I have 3 children.
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And I raised them by myself, and I feel like I took that control and managed it very well with
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those girls, but now they have children of their own husbands and I was everything to them
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too.
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So not only you know, and and not that they this is the thing that we have to also realize
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is that it isn't that the people around you expect this of you.
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That's not that's not necessarily what happens.
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It it nobody expected me to be.
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They just continued to accept it from me because I was offering it until I realized
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that, you know, I don't have to have family dinner for thirteen people every single Sunday.
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Why don't we start doing it every other Sunday?
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You know?
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Have everybody do a potluck and you do it kinda, you know, so that way, every you still
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get the connection.
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But again, sometimes it's those tweaks, right?
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Like, people don't realize that you're, like, you're right.
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It's kinda like the boundary always existed.
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So do I just keep the boundary?
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But unfortunately, sometimes it takes like, a shingle, like a shingles outbreak.
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And with myself, my store part, my story, I don't know if you know this, but, it's almost
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11 years ago.
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I was not completely out by a complete stranger when I was walking down the street in Toronto,
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and my life never stopped changing from that point on.
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Because I was in a bad, marriage trying to figure it out.
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And through the recovery, same, not on my your story, Cherilyn.
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Quite literally when I was in my on my back in Toronto, I said there was a a blue eyed angel.
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I him, whoever he was, never found him, called him several times to say thank you.
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And on my back that day, I remember, laying there with his his, jacket at the bottom of my
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neck because, you know, people good Samaritans do these things, right?
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And then I he said, he looked right at me, and I said, he says, everything's gonna be alright.
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And those words still reverberate through me as I think 11 years later, because, again, at that
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point, I listened.
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There was things I needed to do that were right in front of me and the kind of life that I've
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created since then 11 years after the fact, I needed to make changes.
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Yes.
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And I think that's the that's the message is that we do get a choice We we get a choice to
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see it.
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However, we wanna see it.
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The why me happens first, and we can decide, oh, because everything bad happens to me.
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I before me, everything bad happens, or we can say, listen.
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Let's figure out why I need to go through this and why I need to focus and and change things
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so that this message doesn't go unwritten.
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There has to be a reason why I I did this, and it's funny as you were talking, I was just
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thinking about this customer I had.
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His name was Felix, and he was German.
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He had a very thick accent.
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And he used to come in the store just to chin wag with me and and he would take up mountains
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of time, but he had so many words of wisdom.
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And he his one thing he always said to me regarding almost everything was Cherilyn,
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there's all these vase.
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There's all these vase.
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And, you know, he was so right.
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There are so many ways, you know, to to find and where you should be.
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And it's because you are in control.
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You can you can make whatever way you choose.
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You know, those days are there.
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And I think with what hap I didn't know that story about you Roxanne, and that's such a
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great No.
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I didn't.
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That's such a great story.
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And I think that's what, you know, even my shingle story might not think it's that big of
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the deal.
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It was huge for me, and it took me from there.
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I'm, like, I'm so grateful that it happened to me because it it took me from there to selling
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our company and building my speaking career and writing a book, and I wrote a book about child
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abuse, you know, basically that you can gain a lot not recommending living in child abuse by
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any stretch, but it gave me so much to anchor on and to build And I remember always being in
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the Hallmark store and looking at the cards and saying to myself, how can I ever buy a card for
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my dad?
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You know, how can What do you say?
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He he's not that guy.
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He didn't teach me.
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He didn't, but guess what?
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He did teach me.
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He taught me a ton of stuff, and All those things are inside of me now.
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I don't have to I can choose to look at it as evil or I can choose to look at it as He
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mentored me in a way that he wasn't intentional on his his side, but it's been intentional on
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my side to take that learning and put it into hopefully doing so much more for the world and
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for people that are suffering from the same things.
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And maybe it's just because personality, and you don't realize that that's not that doesn't
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define you.
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You know, it needs it needs The pain does not define you.
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The pain does not mind you.
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And out of, unfortunately, adversity comes a lot of strength.
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So let's say the average person listening, you know, and they're like, They're in pain.
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Right?
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And and, you know, and maybe they're in they're in pain, but they don't realize they they need
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to make some changes.
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What would be some, like, quick tips?
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You know, this amazing book that's gonna be out in January.
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It's your turn.
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Has a lot of phenomenal nuggets in it.
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But what are a couple of those quick tips that you'd say to someone that says, Start now.
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What what would you tell them?
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The first thing I would tell them to do is to get out a piece of paper and a pen not a
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computer, but a piece of paper and a pen because there's something about that feeling
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that is different than typing it into a computer.
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And just write down everything you want.
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What would you like?
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Maybe even go back and see yourself as a little girl.
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What was fun for you?
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What was fun or little boy?
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What was fun?
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What did what sparked you?
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What made you go wow.
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I love this this life.
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And because there was a time, there was a time for all of us when that happened, even if you
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were in so much pain right now, there's a memory back there that you can pull out and
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transfer to paper, and this is what I want.
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This is where I wanna be, and this is what I wanna do.
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And write it all down because the only way to discover how to get somewhere is to figure out
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where the heck you're going and then start building your road start from here and then go
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there.
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And I found my journaling was probably the most important part of my success in foundry setting
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and breaking those patterns that were groomed in me my whole life.
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My dad didn't let a sit.
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When I was at home, if he came home from work and we were sitting down, you know, your kids,
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you come home first thing you want to get out some craft dinner, need that And then the next
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thing you wanna do is just chill out and watch some TV.
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That's not allowed in my house.
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The second my dad walked in the door.
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It's, hey, there's there's there's dishes in the dishwasher.
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The house is not spotless.
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The grass needs to be cut.
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The pond needs to be done.
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You need to move.
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Get moving.
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And he didn't do it nicely.
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You know, he was a get or done kind of guy.
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And so that's groomed inside of us.
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We think this is how we we have to be.
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So to transfer that now to paper and say that's no.
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Does that give me joy?
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That doesn't give me joy.
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Let's break down what gives me joy.
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And you can also make a secondary list that tells you what doesn't you joy and may or
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doesn't give you joy.
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And maybe that will, you know, you you can still something's you gotta do that aren't fun.
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That's just life.
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But if you can find a way to enjoy those things by adding a little spice in, you know, just
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like you know, you can get through the medicine if you toss it with a water after, you know,
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let's sort of top it off with a little bit of cheer and that's So so number 1, write it down.
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Number 2, review it regularly.
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Every single day.
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It's almost like you start all new rituals.
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You know, if there's something out there that you really wanna do, figure out how you can do
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it, whatever that is, but if you don't focus on it and you don't, you know, people say the law
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of attraction, you know, is bogus because of this or that or, you know, you can't just wish
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for a new bike and it'll show up.
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But if you start real you know, I really want a hot tub and I thought, well, I'm just gonna
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start looking at how much they cost?
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What do I need to budget for?
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I wrote it down.
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I looked at it every day.
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I checked my finances.
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I we have one now.
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You know, I didn't get any richer today than I was when I wanted for something, but you can do
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that with everything in your life.
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You can do that with We stole but this has gotta change.
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I am going to be a speaker.
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I spoke for many, many, charity organizations in our city.
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I helped fundraise.
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I did all sorts of great things to add on boards and realize that's what I love to do.
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I wanna do more of that.
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That's where I want my life to go, and I don't wanna look back when I'm, you know, gone maybe
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or in the home and say, Jeez, I wished I had of because there's no reason to say that.
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You didn't just keep on going along and age is not a factor.
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So if you're in pain, write it down.
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If you're in pain, review it every day.
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If you're in pain, find what you love and start building a road map for that because if there's
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no way to get a road map if you don't know where the heck you're going.
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So you gotta do those things and start new daily rituals, recreate your life.
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When I was a single mom, my, doctor said to me one time, if when I was debating on whether I'm
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gonna go with my husband who is you know, had had many affairs on me, or was I was I gonna
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just leave him and start my own life?
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He said to me, will you ever get over the fact that your husband had an affair?
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Junes Audi had multiple affairs, but at the time, I only knew about the 1.
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And I thought to myself, you know, no.
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I know myself well enough to know that I'm not gonna get over that.
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That that was way too big for me.
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So he said, well, then you need to create your own new traditions in your new life.
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And, you know, that was back, back long before Doctor Phil and and, Tony Robbins and all those
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people.
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That was long before that.
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My doctor is smart guy.
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And he said, you need to start all new traditions.
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Things that you always wanted to do that your ex husband didn't want to do.
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You wanna do all those new things.
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And I'll tell you That's the same as right now when you're sitting there and you're in pain is
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you need to find change up what you're doing to get better results.
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Find the results that you're looking for and then build that road map to get there.
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And a good way to do that too is to say I know what I don't want and to write a list down of
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what I want instead.
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We're gonna start there.
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Right?
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And, you know, that's that's a basic thing, and you're so right because at that point, you're
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you're engaging logical part of the brain, which is where we need to be to be able to
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actually achieve things, right, and then reinforce it going in, like you said, day in,
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day out, And to quiet that that that voice that said, oh, you know, you can't sit there,
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though, or you can't achieve that.
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Right?
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That that voice, if that voice is bigger than the 1, which it will be the first eventually,
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with these daily rituals, with with starts to happen is getting your voice that says, yeah,
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I'd like that hot tub.
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I deserve that hot tub, you know, and that starts to become the pervasive big bullhorn in
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your head that goes, oh, okay.
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I can do this.
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And slowly and surely, like, from what you're saying a bit at a time, So you have all this
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stuff in this book.
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Charlene, I want you to tell everybody where they can get ahold of you if they wanted to
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coach with you or if they wanted you to come out and speak to their organization or to get a
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co a hold of this hot number as soon as it gets released, where can they get a hold of you?
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So I have a website, sherlandlovey.com.
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Very simple.
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There's no hyphen between my name although my name is hyphenated, but it's just
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sherilynlovely.com.
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My company is called it's my turn.
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My book is called it's your turn.
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On the website, there's a work with me page.
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And you can review all of my podcasts or sorry.
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Sorry.
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This is my first podcast.
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You can review all of my keynotes.
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You can review my YouTube channel everything from my website.
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So that's and you can see where to pre order my book.
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You just have to enter your email and we'll let you know when it's all available.
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It will be available on Amazon.
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And, the launch is happening in January.
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The release of the book will be probably 1st couple weeks into February.
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And I'm really, really super excited about it.
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And I'm so happy for your support to Roxanne.
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Thank you so much.
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Well, thank you for sharing, all this amazing wisdom.
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So I think, you know, for anyone out there, Life is it's full and it's it can be beautiful,
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but it also has a challenging it challenges.
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But, We all will get have pain, but we don't need to suffer.
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And I think Cherland's story is such a, you know, such an amazing, example of this success.
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But there was pain, but she didn't live in the suffering when she got the, messages.
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She didn't make it about I'm a victim, but now that I have this information, what do I do with
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it?
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So if you're in that space, just recognize that anybody out there, that you see, that you
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perceive as being 6 they've all been through things.
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You may now know their story.
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But when you read a book like, Sherylance, you you'll see the the journey and you can learn
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the same wisdoms, from, getting a hold of her book.
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So again, for anybody that wants to learn about authentic leadership, Either at home or at
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work, all you gotta do is, you know, just go to chat with roxanne.com and you'll book a
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discovery call with me.
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Again, Cherilyn, thanks so much for your time and for everyone, thanks for tuning in, and
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we'll talk to you again next week.
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