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D4vd's 'Friends' Lived a Fantasy as Celeste Decomposed Nearby | Murder of Celeste Rivas Hernandez · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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  Do you ever feel like you're in a in like a Twilight Zone
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  episode? That's the way today has been
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  for me. It started out with me being
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  like awakened early and going. You need to get to the scene
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  where this fire is and and it just has not slowed down since.
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  And Speaking of kind of Twilight Zone tonight we're talking about
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  the case of of the murder of Celeste Rivas Hernandez, who's a
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  14 year old Lake Elsinore girl who who's dismembered body and
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  badly decomposing body was found in the trunk of the Tesla
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  registered to David Burke who goes by Deformada singer.
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  He's been arrested for a murder. We're talking about that today,
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  but we're going to get into this is this is different for my
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  channel. We don't do this very often
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  because I like to say we like to get into the nitty gritty.
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  We like to cut past the fluff and sensationalism and we're not
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  doing that tonight. We're going straight for the
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  fluff. We are are our sights are set.
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  They are targeted right on the fluff.
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  We're like, we're like the X wing fighter going down the a, a
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  tunnel of fluff looking for a vent about the size of a womp
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  rat. A a fluffy, fluffy event.
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  And that's what we're going to do.
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  We're going to do that today. It it feels OK.
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  I mean, it feels Twilight Zony for sure, but it feels OK.
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  It's a Friday. It's a Friday.
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  There's not a lot going on in the news like, well, we've got
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  some headlines for sure that we're definitely going to get
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  to. What else are we going to get
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  to, Gavin? Let's see.
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  We've got OK, we're going to talk about Celeste's case.
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  We're going to get into some video clips that have been
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  talked about online. We've got 3 terrific questions
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  that we're going to get to. We've got headlines in the Nancy
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  Guthrie case, the Alex Murdoch case, the Suzanne Simpson case,
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  the Luigi Mangioni case. And yes, we have some good news
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  to get to as well. Though Wanda, I don't think that
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  you had time for your composition to get us like a
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  good news composition, right? Is that something that maybe
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  you'll do over the weekend? OK, Wanda is going to do that
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  over the weekend, everybody. But nevertheless, even without
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  the Jingle, we're we're going to get into some good news.
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  So what do we have? We got 10 gallons of show, 10
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  gallons of content we need to put into a 5 gallon show.
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  That's what we need to do. Stick with
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  This video contains mature themes and discussions intended
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  only for adult audiences. Viewer discretion is advised.
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  Hello there, my friend. Welcome back to another true
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  crime conversation with me, Gavin Fish.
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  I feel like, what should I say? I I normally have this line
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  where I'm like, if you're under true crime, like to cut past the
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  fluff sensationalism. You found the right place.
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  And and that is true most of the time.
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  OK, it's true most of the time. But here is the other thing that
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  I was thinking about. Sometimes you do have to kind of
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  get into the weeds to find the clues.
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  And of course, we're let's bring up Celeste's photo here.
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  We're talking about such a sad story.
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  This girl was lured away, according to prosecutors, lured
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  away from the safety of her home where she was essayed for a year
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  at least, say prosecutors, by this guy, man named David Burke,
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  who goes by the stage name David, spelled D4 VD de Forvida.
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  I like to call him. Shout out to Pascal for that.
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  For over a year, she was in what prosecutors call, but we know
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  it's not a sexual relationship with this guy started when she
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  was 13 years old, according to prosecutors.
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  OK. And then unceremoniously,
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  unlovingly, she was stabbed to death, cut up into pieces and
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  put into a body bag that was ordered on Amazon.
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  And then another bag, another black, probably plastic bag
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  where she decomposed badly and finally was found because of the
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  stench coming out of the car after it had been towed by the
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  terrible, terrible crime against a young girl, YouTube tends to
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  I shall Mooney with your permission.
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  There is just one. There's only one Mooney and
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  Mooney, I feel your love bomb from from all the way in
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  You guys are awesome and Angela host 2858 with the Super chat
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  coming in. Thank you for all you guys do
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  from Kokomo IN. Glad you are here and thank you
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  so much for your support. OK, this is what we are going to
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  do. OK, I have this video.
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  I am lifting it thanks to thanks to the laws that allow me to do
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  that. Why am I, why am I blank?
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  I do that sometimes. I just completely blank a fair
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  use laws because we are going to comment on it and maybe critique
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  it a little bit and I'm not going to critique Nancy.
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  Nancy, somebody I like. I've been on her show a couple
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  times, been on her podcast. I think she's terrific.
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  She does some good work on behalf of victims.
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  So I'm not going to critique Nancy, but we have this video.
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  I have lowered the sound down to six DB down to try to match the
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  audio that I speak at when I'm not yelling because I get all
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  excited. But just fair warning, if you
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  got earbuds on or something, you might want to just be very
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  careful because this this is kind of a hot, hot audio.
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  Though I did bring it back. Anyway, there there are two
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  different clips we're going to talk about.
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  OK. The first clip is what some
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  people online are calling a confession.
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  It is. I'm going to set this up.
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  OK, A bunch of people hanging out at Deforevida's house seems
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  like I don't know, the kids get together these days.
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  It's very different from when I was a kid, right when we would
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  get together to jump on a trampoline or swim in a swimming
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  pool or let's be honest, the Nintendo right.
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  We we played a bit of Nintendo, some computer games on the old
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  Commodore 64. Yes, I am that old.
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  Actually, before that, the Commodore Vic 20.
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  I remember any who it seems that young kids these days get
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  together and live stream. They Twitch, they live stream.
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  And what is happening in this clip is a couple of young
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  females. I don't know how old they are
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  that they could be 18, they could be 28.
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  I'm a bad judge. I have no idea are live
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  streaming like make up or or something in the bathroom at
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  Deforevatus house and you can hear what's going on in the
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  background. Now Nancy Grace's team put up
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  some some you know what am I am I just having a hard day?
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  Am I just having a hard day? My mind is not working some
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  subtitles. Dang it, I'm just having, I'm
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  having language issues today. You know what the problem is.
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  And, and this is a terrible excuse and, and it's a bit of a
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  tangent, but you know, my problem is I've been chatting
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  with my friends in Argentina and I like my mind right now is
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  working in Spanish and hasn't quite made the flip back to
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  regular English mode. Back in the day when I was a
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  young man and I was, and I was traveling and, you know, I was
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  working down there, my mind could flip back and forth so
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  easily. But I'm not so elastic these
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  days. So maybe that's my issue.
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  I'm I just need to, I need to get into the groove, get into
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  the groove. OK, so subtitles are going to be
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  up on here and she's going to show us what she thinks is said
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  in the background. You're going to have to she's
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  going to play it multiple times. You're going to have to listen
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  closely. I think I do agree with what the
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  subtitles say, but it's tough. OK, so let's without further ado
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  Gavin, you're just chit chatting away.
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  Let me bring up the right spot here.
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  OK, we write. Oh, and the second clip.
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  Actually, we'll get to the second clip.
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  When we get to the second clip, here we go.
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  It's. Kind of giving Harley Quinn.
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  OK. I like it.
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  And then? OK, I want to, I want to back
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  that up. Basically, in the background
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  you're hearing, tell me about Celeste, you hear an OS bomb,
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  something about you killed her then.
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  Yeah, me and David, something like that.
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  So we're going to listen one more time and I will do my best
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  not to start it over multiple times because Nancy Grace is
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  going to do that for us. OK, here we go again.
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  Have a quick listen. It's.
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  Kind of giving Harley Quinn. OK, I like it.
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  And then wait. We did this.
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  Stalkers. OK, So what happened there,
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  according to the subtitles that Nancy Grace's team did, was
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  they're, they're live streaming with their fancy little, I don't
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  know, little stickers they're putting on their face, whatever
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  the kids do these days. And in the other room, they're
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  going, hey, tell me about Celeste.
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  You killed her. Yeah, me and David.
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  Oh, hey, they're in the bathroom.
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  They can hear this all. Oh, my goodness gracious me.
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  This is not good. Right.
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  So they're live streaming on Twitch and in another room where
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  you can hear him, they're talking about, I guess
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  allegedly. I I'm not sure that I, I'm not
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  sure I think that the subtitles are probably pretty accurate,
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  but here we go. I'll continue the video.
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  Where's the body glitter we want to be?
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  USA. Now where's the body glitter
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  from Claire? So for those of you listening,
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  that body glitter stuff is the people who are actually
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  streaming on Twitch from. Body glitter.
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  I'm going. To show you guys my.
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  Just got Morgan. Maybe that is some of the
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  evidence. I mean, if I can find it, the
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  prosecutor can find it. Did you hear what was said?
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  Now it's in the background. You have to listen very
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  carefully. I'm going to play for you the
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  pertinent part. Listen.
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  And by the way, Joseph Scott Morgan's rad, is he not?
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  He's been on the channel here a couple times.
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  He's a frequent guest of Nancy Grace.
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  It's. Kind of giving.
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  Tell me more about Celeste. You hear in the background, OS
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  you hear in the background and then, yeah, you killed her.
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  They say. You hear in the background, I
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  think. I think that is what you hear.
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  Yeah, me and David, you hear in the background.
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  And then Wait wait did this. You want to tell me those girls
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  cannot hear what's being said through that open door just on
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  the other side of that very thin wall?
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  And you see the one girl in front of the mirror pause and
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  listen. What was just said by witness
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  One, which is a female. I think I know who she is.
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  The female says, tell me more about Celeste.
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  Oh. Then you hear the woman say,
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  yeah, you killed her. And then you hear witness to
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  stay. Yeah, me and David, they're so
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  casual. And the other girls are just
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  talking about finding their body glitter.
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  Yeah, so I'm going to pause this here for just one second.
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  We'll we'll listen to what Joseph says.
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  But if if they're talking nonchalantly about a girl that
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  was killed by David and another person, the first thing we
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  learned there is that another person was involved.
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  But secondly, they all knew. And, and if they all knew that
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  Celeste was killed by David and another sounded like another
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  man, why are they not running out of the Hollywood Hills?
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  I was going to say running for the hills, but they're in the
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  hills. Maybe running out of the hills.
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  Do not stick around. Danger, Danger, danger, danger.
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  All right, let's. Let's continue to see what?
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  See what Nancy and Joseph have to say.
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  To listen to the long form one more time because a speaker is
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  identified by name Joe Scott Morgan, listen.
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  OK, before before we listen to that part guys, this is a fluffy
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  live stream. I admit it.
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  Total, total, total fluff. But Mooney gave me permission to
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  moon away or to fluff away, not moon away.
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  We don't want that to fluff away.
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  So actually I'm not sure that we want fluffing either.
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  I'm I'm such a naive guy. I didn't even think about that
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  Any who the Dang it now. Oh what I'm really hoping that
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  you guys do is tell me what you think they're actually talking
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  about in the live chat. Maybe you agree with Nancy
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  Grace. Maybe you agree with me because
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  I agree with Nancy Grace, but maybe it's something completely
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  just having nothing to do with it.
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  All right, here we go. It's.
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  Kind of giving Harley Quinn. Tell me more about Scolettes OS.
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  OK? Yeah, they're
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  realizing now that they're realizing now that, oh, they're
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  in the bathroom. Hey, don't look at me, right?
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  And then they're asking what does she look like?
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  I'm very close to her. Just just give him a second,
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  says another witness. Where's the body glitter we're?
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  Going to be USA. Now where's the body glitter
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  from Claire? 'S body glitter from.
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  Claire's OK clear glitter. OK, OK chat, I'm going to show
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  you guys my. It actually makes me Do we know
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  that this is in David's house? This is the way that's the way
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  it's described. But do we know that?
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  I'd love to hear your comments on that.
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  Anybody who's been down the Reddit rabbit hole on this one,
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  let me know. I feel sick.
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  I feel sick because I believe the prosecutors will be able to
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  show that is David Anthony Berg de Forbidi's home.
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  And in that home, Celeste was murdered.
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  And they're all talking about body glitter, and they can hear
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  what's being said. Just got analyze.
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  You hear the female state. Tell me more about Celeste.
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  Oh, the woman. Yeah, You killed her.
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  And then someone says, yeah, me and David.
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  And then listen, listen, you hear?
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  You hear who? They're all in the bathroom.
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  In other words, they can hear us.
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  Idiot. And the girl says don't look at
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  me. Then they go on and the woman is
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  saying well what does she look like?
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  Am I close to her? Talking about Celeste?
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  What did Celeste look like? I'm very close to her.
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  In other words, do I look like her?
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  And you hear the other male say give him a second.
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  And the woman says you don't know what she looked like.
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  It's past tense, what she looked like.
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  What are they that arrogant? They think I can't find that.
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  I don't know that they're that arrogant.
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  I think they're that stupid. I'm much less the prosecutors.
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  I want you, Joe Scott Morgan. You're the death investigator.
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  While they're all laughing and looking for their body glitter.
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  Where's Celeste? Decomposing there at that
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  residence, I can tell you what she looked like.
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  I can tell you what she looked like relative to their current,
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  their their present at that moment in time.
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  And yeah, they did use past tense.
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  But let's understand, her mortal remains are just on the other
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  side of those walls. Nancy, let that sink in just for
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  a second. He's in an advanced state of
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  decomposition. He's been packaged.
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  The child has been packaged after having been rendered down.
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  He's in multiple elements Nancy and not all of them are solid.
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  The the Emmy actually talked about liquification of remains.
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  That's what she looked like and. You know what I love about
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  Joseph? I love a lot about Joseph.
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  Number 1, he married up. His wife is awesome.
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  OK? We both married Kimberly's,
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  which is kind of fun, and they're both amazing women.
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  But what I love about Joseph Scott Morgan is his empathy, his
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  sympathy. He's like, yeah, I can tell you
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  exactly what she looked like. And, and they were right there.
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  And you can't tell me they didn't smell that.
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  You can't tell me they didn't see flies, stuff like that.
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  Right. He's just so empathetic and so
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  sympathetic. He's so good.
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  Think that people need to get need to strap in and understand
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  that it's not just the principle that's been named that's been
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  charged in this case, it's all the circle that surrounds that
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  surrounds this individual that is inside of that domicile.
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  You're going to tell me that no one smelled anything.
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  You're going to tell me that no one saw flies, that they're just
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  going on about they're business as if it's another day?
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  It is absolutely, positively disgusting.
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  Nancy. Yeah, I can tell you what she
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  look like. You mentioned once it's like
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  they are dancing on her grave and her coffin, so to speak.
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  From our friends at FOX 11 is David Anthony Burke AKAD 4 VD's
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  Tesla. We just showed you the video.
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  It's Nancy. It's not D4 VD, it's Deformada
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  OK. Shot where her body had been
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  discovered due to the stench of human decomposition.
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  Nancy when? So this is this is the second
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  part of the video that I wanted to get into, which we will get
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  into here in just a second. But before we do, I want to see
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  what you guys are saying over in the over in the chat.
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  Let me let me get it all refresh fad here.
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  Let's see. I want to make sure that I don't
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  miss anybody. Ah, we've got somebody from in
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  Indianapolis. Glad that you are here.
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  Thank you very much for being here.
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  Anaheim is in the house. Old Orchard Beach.
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  ME is here. Oh, we got somebody from Taiwan.
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  I spent plenty of time there in. Well, I've only spent time in
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  Taipei. Pretty cool.
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  Oregon Trail. Yeah, that's right.
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  We played Oregon Trail Folks show.
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  Let's see. Boston.
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  Georgia's here. And Kelly Alexander saying thank
• 25:39
  you for speaking slowly. Well, I speak at my, my pace.
• 25:42
  It probably is pretty slow and I'm happy to do it.
• 25:47
  Scott's mom, is your mind on the weekend?
• 25:49
  Yeah. My, my weekend's going to be
• 25:50
  awesome. I'm looking forward.
• 25:52
  I've got plans, not just I've got photography plans with my
• 25:59
  son, which I'm really looking forward to.
• 26:03
  Let me keep on going here, Italia says.
• 26:07
  I don't hear killed her. I hear together.
• 26:12
  You hear together is did you together?
• 26:19
  We're going to go back and and listen one more time.
• 26:21
  OK, Let's go back and listen just real quick.
• 26:24
  Let's see. I need to remember we're at
• 26:26
  about 6:21. We're going to go back.
• 26:30
  It's kind of giving Harley Quinn.
• 26:34
  OK. I.
• 26:38
  Like. It.
• 26:39
  I don't know. I have to, I have to not look at
• 26:43
  the look at this. Queen.
• 26:45
  It's kind of giving Harley Quinn.
• 26:53
  Killed her, I hear. Killed her That's that's what I
• 26:57
  hear but you know what if you hear together that that's
• 27:01
  totally cool as well. I'm goddess 1950 says lively
• 27:06
  here in Erie today over 75 OK Good Hope ate fear.
• 27:14
  I agree Gavin, let's see and Debbie says don't forget there's
• 27:20
  2 girls named Celeste. The minor Celeste is going to
• 27:23
  get a tattoo like the other older ones so the matched more
• 27:28
  from behind. OK, all right, let's see what
• 27:35
  else we got. Debbie saying these young people
• 27:37
  don't care. They have no respect for life.
• 27:39
  That's that's what it feels like to me.
• 27:41
  Plantation FL's here. Debbie says wasn't the blue pool
• 27:46
  found in the garage too? It was according to the document
• 27:51
  that was filed in court by the prosecution.
• 27:53
  Robin says sometimes people act nonchalant in the moment where
• 27:57
  it's most dangerous and later fall apart.
• 27:59
  That I think that's fair. That's fair.
• 28:01
  Let's bring up a photo of Celeste while we're having it.
• 28:04
  This one, Glitter is Forever says can we slow it down a tiny
• 28:08
  bit to see if we understand better?
• 28:10
  What a great idea. Let's see.
• 28:12
  I've got it in QuickTime, so I think that I can go to, let's
• 28:22
  see, playback speed half. All right, we're going to hold
• 28:35
  on. It's kind of giving Harley
• 28:40
  Quinn. Yeah, you, David.
• 28:56
  I wish I could slow down just a little bit there.
• 29:01
  The way I've got it set up for today, it's I can only do it at
• 29:05
  half speed or regular speed or faster.
• 29:08
  Sorry, glitter is forever. I wish, I wish I could do that
• 29:11
  better, Lulu Marie says. I believe the girl they are
• 29:17
  talking to is named Celeste also, I think.
• 29:19
  I think you're right. And then I did see a a couple of
• 29:24
  comments though I've lost them now that happened in the moment
• 29:29
  that yeah, they are, they are definitely in David's house,
• 29:32
  right? Definitely in David's house.
• 29:35
  So I don't know, I don't know guys, is it is it something that
• 29:40
  I love what just Scott Morgan was saying, right, that I know
• 29:45
  exactly what she looks like. She's decomposed, right?
• 29:49
  And she's in the house and you can't tell me that they couldn't
• 29:54
  smell anything, that they didn't see flies.
• 29:57
  And that whole thing where the video shows David going, Hey,
• 30:00
  sorry about the smell, guys. I knocked a Duke a couple hours
• 30:03
  ago. Yeah, that that's a different
• 30:09
  smell. We don't need to really get into
• 30:12
  the details of what is is in each bouquet, but that's a
• 30:16
  different smell. OK, let's go to the second clip
• 30:20
  here. This is from the same show, same
• 30:24
  Nancy Grace. Let's see.
• 30:26
  I need to bring that. There we go.
• 30:28
  Make it a little bit more like that. close anyway.
• 30:33
  OK, here we go. Nancy when we looked at this
• 30:37
  story and and wondered when is this going to come out that
• 30:41
  Celeste Riva's best friend said that in January about 12 weeks
• 30:47
  before Celeste was murdered, Celeste was at her parents home
• 30:52
  and her best friend is sitting there trying to talk her out of
• 30:56
  running away because Celeste wanted to run away to David.
• 31:01
  Now the friend thought she was talking about a classmate.
• 31:04
  She wasn't but Celeste gave her the reason thought she was
• 31:08
  pregnant. Celeste tells her best friend.
• 31:13
  Now remember, the medical examiner originally said no to
• 31:18
  the pregnancy and then updated the death certificate to say
• 31:23
  undetermined, right? And I know that there has been
• 31:28
  discussion for months about whether or not Celeste was
• 31:33
  pregnant. I've seen it all over Reddit.
• 31:37
  I have not really jumped down that rabbit hole.
• 31:40
  But this is a Mr. Mack. Here is a reporter.
• 31:44
  I'm going to go back. Let's go to the very beginning
• 31:46
  of what he was saying. Is Dave Mack an investigator of
• 31:49
  reporter that works for Crime Online, which is Nancy's
• 31:54
  company? OK, let's listen from the
• 31:57
  beginning. See when we looked at this story
• 32:00
  and and wondered when is this going to come out that Celeste
• 32:04
  Riva's best friend said that in January about 12 weeks before
• 32:10
  Celeste was murdered, Celeste was at her parents home and her
• 32:15
  best friend is sitting there trying to talk her out of
• 32:18
  running away because Celeste wanted to run away to David.
• 32:23
  Now the friend thought she was talking about a classmate.
• 32:27
  She wasn't but Celeste gave her the reason thought she was
• 32:31
  pregnant. Celeste tells her best friend.
• 32:34
  I'm pregnant and I'm going to run away to David's.
• 32:38
  I love these little pictures of her by the way, the little like
• 32:41
  school pictures from when she was younger.
• 32:43
  It just kind of shows her sassiness and her spunk.
• 32:46
  It is the shocking motive we've been waiting for.
• 32:49
  OK, right there. Of course, Randolph Rice, you're
• 32:54
  the veteran trial lawyer. The state doesn't have to prove
• 32:57
  motive at all. But practically speaking, we
• 33:02
  know the jury will want a motive.
• 33:04
  I want to hear, OK, how you're going to spend that out in court
• 33:09
  because first there are claims the video.
• 33:12
  I should set this up a little bit.
• 33:13
  This guy is a defense attorney who apparently changed his story
• 33:19
  between the time that they booked him and the time that he
• 33:23
  came on. And so Nancy's going at him
• 33:26
  hard, kind of like a prosecutor going, I, I want to know how
• 33:29
  you're going to spend this one as a defense attorney.
• 33:31
  That's, that's why she kind of has that attitude.
• 33:33
  Plus, Nancy's shtick is kind of one like, tough attitude anyway,
• 33:37
  right? It showed was artificial
• 33:39
  intelligence. It wasn't real.
• 33:41
  Then when you rethought it, you came up with a much better idea.
• 33:44
  Now it is real and you can fabricate, create, argue that
• 33:49
  some other dude did at defense based on that video, but what
• 33:53
  are you going to do with Celeste pregnant?
• 33:57
  OK, so yeah, I cut this part out.
• 34:00
  But when he came on, she goes. Now I know you're going to have
• 34:04
  some sort of argument as to, you know, whether this is real or
• 34:08
  not. And he's like, no, this is this
• 34:10
  is perfect for a defense attorney.
• 34:13
  Some other guy just admitted to killing Celeste, right?
• 34:17
  So, I mean, I'm sure the Deformita's defense attorneys
• 34:22
  would do the same thing if, if this comes up in in discovery
• 34:27
  and in trial and everything. Like this guy just said he did
• 34:30
  it. My client wasn't anywhere near
• 34:33
  it, but he said he did it. He said he did it with my
• 34:36
  client. That part's a lie, but the first
• 34:38
  part is the truth. So that's what Nancy's talking
• 34:40
  about. He was going to come on to talk
• 34:42
  about AI and then change this story.
• 34:44
  And she's like, OK, So what else can you come up with to to
• 34:49
  defend this guy if you're the lawyer?
• 34:52
  I still think we need to get the DNA back.
• 34:54
  And we need to match that up to see who exactly is the baby, Who
• 34:58
  is the father? Because Nancy, the father may be
• 35:01
  this alternative killer. This person voice, person's
• 35:04
  voice we hear in the background. Who says I did it?
• 35:07
  Maybe he's the father. OK, you really are amazing.
• 35:13
  See, you threw a curveball at me right there, Randolph Rice,
• 35:15
  because I thought you were going to say what, baby?
• 35:18
  Nobody can prove she was pregnant.
• 35:19
  But instead you're like a dog with a bone and you're running
• 35:23
  with it. Yes, she is pregnant, but it's
• 35:25
  somebody else's baby and they killed her.
• 35:28
  OK, I don't believe any of it, but I have to admire your
• 35:33
  thinking. Kind of like a fox.
• 35:36
  I actually really like, I like that part of the discussion,
• 35:41
  right. I thought you were going to say
• 35:43
  there is no pregnancy, the Emmy said no pregnancy.
• 35:45
  But you threw a curveball at me, man.
• 35:48
  You are totally leaned into. And this is actually the way a
• 35:52
  defense attorney should work, right?
• 35:54
  That how many filings have we seen where they, you know, an
• 35:59
  attorney will say, OK, arguing about whatever, right?
• 36:05
  The first part of our argument is this.
• 36:07
  But if this part fails, then we've got this argument too.
• 36:10
  And if that part fails, then I want you to consider this,
• 36:13
  right? It's a very trained attorney
• 36:18
  behavior, right? So she's like, I got to admire
• 36:22
  it. I don't believe any of it, but I
• 36:25
  got to admire it. It's pretty funny.
• 36:27
  So he's like, yeah, if there's a baby, we got to get the DNA on
• 36:30
  that and see who the father is because the father is likely the
• 36:33
  killer. Joe Scott Morgan, help me out
• 36:36
  here. Joseph Scott Morgan is a
• 36:39
  professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University.
• 36:42
  He is the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
• 36:46
  He's the star of a hit podcast, Body Bags with Joseph Scott
• 36:49
  Morgan. But for our purposes, he is a
• 36:51
  death investigator. In fact, that's how I first met
• 36:53
  him and the Fulton County District Attorney's Office.
• 36:56
  He was working with the medical Examiner's office.
• 36:59
  With 10,000 plus death scenes under his belt, why don't I know
• 37:06
  whether Celeste was pregnant or not?
• 37:10
  Well, because the ME actually in their report stated that there
• 37:14
  was no evidence of pregnancy and then they had to go back and
• 37:18
  amend it and at which point in time they said it's
• 37:22
  undetermined. Essentially it's or
• 37:24
  indeterminate is what it comes down to.
• 37:26
  I can tell you this according to the findings that they had an
• 37:30
  autopsy, they didn't show, and I'm talking about the physical
• 37:34
  findings, they didn't show any evidence that she was in fact
• 37:37
  pregnant. We cannot exclude though.
• 37:41
  However, if she had had a pregnancy that had some point,
• 37:45
  Tom had been terminated at at some point.
• 37:49
  Tom either through, I don't know, morning after pill or
• 37:53
  we're talking about some kind of terminal event where she goes
• 37:56
  and has child aborted. So that's difficult to
• 38:00
  understand. And what even complicates
• 38:03
  matters even more Nancy, is the fact that she is in such an
• 38:06
  advanced state of decomposition. This this is a very difficult
• 38:11
  road to go. Now we do know, however, that
• 38:15
  they didn't find anything that would indicate she was pregnant
• 38:18
  at the time. I think that's where I stopped
• 38:22
  it. So I, I, I want to know your
• 38:24
  opinion on this as well. Do we think that Celeste was
• 38:27
  pregnant? I personally think that the the
• 38:32
  prosecution's office is going to argue that she was pregnant.
• 38:38
  There was no need, in my opinion, there was no need to
• 38:43
  include that in the document that they filed stating what
• 38:47
  what it was that they were going to show during the probable
• 38:49
  cause hearing, during the preliminary hearing, right?
• 38:52
  There was no reason in order to get over the hurdle of probable
• 38:56
  cause to state that they had talked about pregnancy.
• 39:02
  I don't, I don't think that was necessary because they put it
• 39:07
  into that document. I think that's something that
• 39:10
  they intend to prove that Celeste was pregnant, that or at
• 39:18
  least she thought she was pregnant and that went to
• 39:21
  Deforevida's motive. And remember Nancy Grace, she
• 39:26
  is, she is absolutely correct. And of course she's correct.
• 39:28
  She's a, she's a talented lawyer, right?
• 39:33
  Prosecution does not ever have to prove a motive.
• 39:36
  Ever. It's never part of the deal.
• 39:40
  Any, any of the components of murder or none of the components
• 39:44
  of of murder include motive. However, juries love motive.
• 39:52
  They want to know why. Why do juries want to know why?
• 39:55
  Because we're human. We all want to know why and if
• 39:58
  you can explain why and you can prove why, that goes a long way
• 40:03
  to getting a, a conviction. So I think that's what they're
• 40:07
  up to. And and if the prosecution can
• 40:11
  can prove that because listen, if if Celeste Rivas was in and
• 40:17
  and I'm sorry to talk about it in such like in such a.
• 40:22
  Course way because this is a 1314 year old girl who suffered
• 40:27
  abuse over the course of at least a year by a grown adult
• 40:31
  man and we need to remember that right?
• 40:34
  We need to temper our speculation with humanity with
• 40:36
  compassion. We want to be compassionate not
• 40:39
  only toward Celeste and her memory but also to her family
• 40:44
  that includes her parents, her grandparents, her cousins, all
• 40:47
  of her little friends. Listen, I I remember what it
• 40:52
  felt like to lose a friend to death at the age of 14.
• 40:58
  And in my case it wasn't murder. It was, it was something that
• 41:02
  was more expected, right? But at the age of 14, it is very
• 41:08
  difficult to cope and process, cope with and process the
• 41:14
  permanent loss of somebody that you love.
• 41:17
  And so every time I think about this case and I think about
• 41:21
  Celeste, I think about all of her little friends.
• 41:26
  That is, that is a heartbreaking, heartbreaking
• 41:30
  thing that they're all going through.
• 41:31
  And I felt the same way about like Madeline Soto's little
• 41:34
  friends. Oh, my goodness.
• 41:36
  And I think something that Robin said in the comment is right.
• 41:39
  Often times we will put up a facade, but inside we're a
• 41:47
  Tempest, right? We put up this facade of calm,
• 41:51
  of of, you know, control. But inside we're a Tempest.
• 41:57
  We're a hurricane. We don't know how to deal with
• 42:00
  these emotions. And I know that I know from
• 42:03
  experience. So I guess I should say, I
• 42:05
  believe through my own experience that her that all of
• 42:09
  her little family members, all of her school friends,
• 42:14
  neighborhood friends, they're all dying inside because of
• 42:17
  this. So we got to be very, very
• 42:18
  careful. Having said that, I think that
• 42:21
  they're that this is an important component of the case.
• 42:25
  I think that Celeste was likely pregnant that that will go to
• 42:33
  motive. Now, will they be able to tell
• 42:37
  who will they be able to tell one that she was pregnant?
• 42:40
  Will they be able to prove that to a jury?
• 42:44
  Number one, can they prove to a jury that Celeste was pregnant?
• 42:48
  If they can, can they prove to a jury through forensic evidence
• 42:54
  who the father is? And I think that becomes way
• 42:59
  more difficult. However, the next the 2 1/2
• 43:05
  right, we'll, we'll do it like this 2 1/2 is all of the
• 43:09
  conversations that prosecutors say that they had, right.
• 43:15
  Let's bring up where they paused it here, say that they had about
• 43:20
  pregnancy, abortion, Plan B, things like that.
• 43:27
  So will they be able to prove, maybe not beyond a reasonable
• 43:32
  doubt, but they'll be able to plant a seed strong enough that
• 43:35
  it will grow in the minds of jurors that yes, indeed, she was
• 43:38
  pregnant and, and the four of it, it was the father.
• 43:42
  I think. I I think that's what
• 43:45
  prosecutors plan on doing with bits and pieces of their 40
• 43:49
  terabytes of evidence against this guy.
• 43:58
  Yeah, that's what I think. What do you think?
• 44:00
  Let's bring Celeste back up here.
• 44:02
  Let's see what you guys are thinking over here.
• 44:04
  Got to refresh my screen. See how many comments there are
• 44:08
  here. Clarinet girl says this is the
• 44:13
  same bathroom where the four of it is talking about him using
• 44:16
  the bathroom, and he says it's still smelly.
• 44:19
  Yeah, I autumn did give me that video and and I have seen that.
• 44:26
  So yeah, it's it's definitely his house.
• 44:27
  Thanks for confirming that for me.
• 44:33
  Kay Bling says I heard there's no way to tell if she was
• 44:35
  pregnant, but she could have been I I wonder if she how far
• 44:39
  along might she have been Right. And even in that decomposition
• 44:46
  fluid, the soup. And again, I'm sorry, but was,
• 44:53
  was there forensic evidence? I think if there were, if there
• 44:57
  was, like if there were remains that could be identified as a
• 45:02
  child that it never would have been marked as know that she was
• 45:10
  not pregnant on her on her birth certificate.
• 45:12
  Just just reasoning this out, right.
• 45:15
  So yeah, cabling, I like this comment.
• 45:21
  It makes me think, so will the prosecution, I guess, will they
• 45:28
  lean on the communication as part of their part of their
• 45:33
  proof? Let's see.
• 45:37
  Let me keep on going down, Debbie saying, won't all their
• 45:44
  electronics, phones and such be taken into custody and all the
• 45:46
  text messages between them will count in court?
• 45:50
  Yeah. And and they have all of it.
• 45:52
  Like, I don't know. I don't know how they got into
• 45:57
  it. I well, the iCloud part is a
• 46:00
  little bit easier, but the his phone must have been unlocked.
• 46:07
  IPhone security is actually pretty darn impressive.
• 46:10
  I I can't imagine that they were able to break in in such a short
• 46:14
  amount of time. So he must have had it unlocked.
• 46:17
  It's crazy. I mean, it's like Stephen
• 46:21
  Sterns. That idiot just was like, here,
• 46:23
  yeah, you can look at my phone, right?
• 46:25
  So maybe, maybe to forbid it was like that, Renee says.
• 46:30
  I'm wondering why they the prosecution could release that
• 46:34
  Celeste was pregnant, but in the case of Madeline Soto, he kept
• 46:36
  it quiet saying it was because she was a minor.
• 46:40
  Any thoughts? That's a good question.
• 46:46
  I mean, it might possibly be, it might, it might possibly be that
• 46:54
  well, the prosecution did something weird here.
• 46:57
  They, they filed a, a public filing with the court saying,
• 47:04
  hey, this is what we intend to prove in the preliminary
• 47:09
  hearing. I can't think of the last time
• 47:12
  that that happened. I've never seen it in my
• 47:14
  reporting. If I have, I don't remember it.
• 47:17
  So I, I'm not sure why the prosecution did that.
• 47:24
  It might just be personal preference where the, you know,
• 47:29
  in in Stephen Sterns case, those prosecutors were like, let's
• 47:35
  just keep Madeleine's dignity intact.
• 47:38
  And in this case, they're like, let's go after this SOB who who
• 47:44
  took advantage of this girl and essayed her for over.
• 47:47
  You know, it might just be a personal personal preference.
• 47:51
  I don't know, because I don't think that well.
• 47:57
  And also, I don't think that we know that Madeleine was
• 48:00
  pregnant. I'm trying to remember Maddie.
• 48:05
  I think I'm trying to remember. Somebody help me out on that.
• 48:13
  Let's see. Cabling, correct?
• 48:18
  Her emotions were over the top for many reasons, pregnancy and
• 48:21
  his having other affairs. This was too much for this
• 48:25
  child, and it would have been too much for a grown woman.
• 48:28
  Right. Italia says she may have thought
• 48:32
  she was pregnant and told him she was via text.
• 48:34
  She actually may not not have been, though.
• 48:36
  If he believed it, it's still motive enough.
• 48:38
  Yeah. I Yeah, I think so.
• 48:43
  Yeah. Great point.
• 48:44
  Great point. Let's see.
• 48:49
  And Barb Olson also repeat. Celeste might have texted
• 48:52
  Deformida that she was pregnant. So.
• 48:54
  Yeah. And if if he thought it the
• 48:59
  difference between if he thought it was true and it was true,
• 49:04
  that is not a wide chasm. They're they're so close.
• 49:06
  I think a jury would go, I see what's going on here.
• 49:12
  Kelly says. David thought she was way too
• 49:14
  clingy and a real problem for him, a threat.
• 49:18
  Yeah. And that is what the prosecution
• 49:20
  is saying, right? That she was threatening his
• 49:22
  career, his, his future earnings and she had to go.
• 49:28
  And that's why he was lying in wait.
• 49:29
  That's why he stabbed her to death.
• 49:32
  Autumn Doyle, Maddie was not pregnant.
• 49:35
  I was trying to remember if there was kind of, was she
• 49:38
  talking about it though? Or was it possible that Jen
• 49:41
  thought that she was pregnant or something?
• 49:43
  I can't remember those those details.
• 49:46
  But thanks Autumn. I appreciate it, Clarinet girl
• 49:49
  says. Is it possible he drove her to
• 49:52
  Santa Barbara to bury her, bought the shovel, then panicked
• 49:54
  and changed his mind there for the Tesla?
• 49:56
  I think that's not only possible, I think it's probable.
• 50:01
  Listen, I have worked as my grandfather would say, on the
• 50:07
  handle end of a shovel when when I was a young man.
• 50:11
  So I was 1819 years old. I worked for a company in
• 50:14
  Sacramento. Wow.
• 50:16
  Gavin, this is a bit of a tangent.
• 50:19
  Let let we we got to get this. Yeah.
• 50:28
  I mean, yeah, it's a tangent. It's tangentially connected.
• 50:33
  When I was a young man, 1819 years old.
• 50:36
  Oh, my goodness. Do I have, like, hair falling
• 50:38
  out? Is it?
• 50:39
  I do. Guys, this hair has got to go.
• 50:44
  I worked for a company in Sacramento called Filner
• 50:48
  Construction, and Filner specialized in building gas
• 50:54
  stations. And as the young general
• 50:57
  laborer, I was the guy that did all the crap work, all the stuff
• 51:03
  that everybody else had done at one point too.
• 51:06
  But now it was my turn. And when, you know, we would big
• 51:11
  excavators and so forth, backhoes would would do, would
• 51:16
  do most of the work. But then there was me in the
• 51:18
  trenches or in the holes doing the work of, you know, clearing
• 51:24
  holes. So I know my way around a shovel
• 51:26
  is all I'm saying. OK, Most people don't realize
• 51:30
  digging a hole that is big enough for a body and deep
• 51:34
  enough for it to be to contain the body is hard work.
• 51:42
  And it takes a long, long time. You look in the movies, they're
• 51:44
  like, OK, well, we better dig a grave.
• 51:47
  And before you know it, they're lowering that poor soul into the
• 51:50
  grave. That is not the way it is in
• 51:52
  real life. It is hard work, hard work.
• 51:57
  So, yeah, I, I think not only is it possible that he went up to
• 52:02
  Santa Barbara, I think it's probable that he went up there
• 52:06
  to dig a grave and put her in it.
• 52:08
  And it was like, I, I, I can't, this is going to take me 3
• 52:13
  nights of work. I will just bury her passport
• 52:16
  card, her ID, and I'll get rid of it that way and then we'll
• 52:20
  figure something else out. I think that's probably what
• 52:22
  happened, Renee says. I'm sorry, I should have worded
• 52:27
  that better. I meant that they were more
• 52:29
  guarded with Madeline's info in general because she was a minor
• 52:34
  guess. If this goes to trial, they'd
• 52:35
  need to make it. Yeah, I, Stephen Stearns waived
• 52:40
  his right to a preliminary hearing, if I remember
• 52:42
  correctly, and then he pleaded guilty.
• 52:45
  So none of that stuff happened. But had it gone to trial, we
• 52:49
  would have found out all those gory details, especially in
• 52:51
  Florida. But I still think it's probably
• 52:54
  just personal preference. Also, they're different states.
• 53:00
  They're going to have different laws.
• 53:03
  Thank you, Renee. Let's see.
• 53:08
  Oh, that's right. They did find pregnancy tests in
• 53:11
  her bathroom with Madeleine. That's right.
• 53:13
  You're right. And Stefan was searching online
• 53:16
  for a parent coin. Oh, I remember that too.
• 53:20
  Yeah, I forgot about that. Yep.
• 53:22
  Thanks, Krogu. And then cabling says she was
• 53:26
  threatening him for a reason. Either pregnancy or jealousy.
• 53:31
  Either way, a motive for him getting rid of her.
• 53:37
  Yeah. And, and keep in mind, I mean,
• 53:38
  we we have to remember this is a 14 year old child, right?
• 53:43
  She like it would be, it would be completely understandable for
• 53:49
  a grown person to have feelings of envy and jealousy and rage
• 53:55
  and want to, you know, take their pound of flesh.
• 53:59
  But multiply that by just being a child and not really having
• 54:02
  the experience to understand these emotions.
• 54:05
  I think that goes to motive for sure.
• 54:07
  I think you're right. Gabling.
• 54:08
  Thank you very much for that comment.
• 54:11
  Clarinet girl says that shovel work is hard, especially for a
• 54:15
  small man like Deform Vida. Yeah.
• 54:17
  I mean, yeah, yeah, he's, he's not a big guy.
• 54:24
  And and you're right, it's hard work.
• 54:27
  It's really, really hard work. So was Celeste pregnant?
• 54:32
  I think probably, or at least she felt that she she thought
• 54:35
  she was. And that goes to motive.
• 54:38
  And did everybody know what was going on that were there
• 54:44
  multiple people that were like, yeah, I know that David killed
• 54:48
  Celeste. I think probably that is true as
• 54:51
  well. And I mean, remember the whole
• 54:55
  metaphor. David is a shark swimming in an
• 54:57
  ocean, chomping at at delicious, delicious vittles.
• 55:03
  And as he's eating it, he there's just, there's just meat
• 55:07
  and carnage spewing out of his mouth.
• 55:10
  And then there are millions of little scavenger fish swimming
• 55:17
  around, eating U all the leftovers.
• 55:20
  And that is the life of a rock star man.
• 55:23
  And that's what all these people are doing.
• 55:25
  They're they're live streaming from his house.
• 55:28
  They're hanging out with them. They're, they're, they're
• 55:31
  absorbing cool coolness by osmosis, right?
• 55:35
  They're feeling they're, they're and, and they're just chomping
• 55:39
  up all of the leftovers from this rising star.
• 55:42
  And that goes to incentive for them to shut the mouth, right,
• 55:48
  'cause you gotta say the Boca. Don't, don't say anything
• 55:53
  because if, if, if he fails, if he falls, we all fall.
• 56:00
  And everybody has that motive. Now.
• 56:03
  Do I think that? Yeah, I do.
• 56:05
  I think that Nancy Grace's team had that subtitled correctly.
• 56:09
  I think that I think somebody said, yeah, me and David killed
• 56:12
  him. I think somebody did.
• 56:15
  And, and I think that somebody talented enough to unecho and to
• 56:21
  isolate, it's not exactly like the way it is in the movies, but
• 56:25
  I think that somebody with real talent could probably isolate
• 56:29
  that and make it so that it's a little bit more understandable.
• 56:33
  I think that there's going to be so many, there are going to be
• 56:36
  so many witnesses to this. I think Neil Langston's one of
• 56:39
  them. I think, I think all of them,
• 56:43
  all those voices we heard will be witnesses either for the
• 56:46
  prosecution or the defense, or they will invoke the 5th.
• 56:51
  I think there will be a lot of invocation of rights guaranteed
• 56:57
  by the 5th Amendment. I really do.
• 57:00
  And that is what we have for this case.
• 57:03
  But fear not, my friends, we are not despair not, despair not.
• 57:09
  We still have another like 3 gallons of content to put into
• 57:13
  the show. And why don't we move on to
• 57:17
  three questions? How?
• 57:26
  Guys, in this segment I answer 3 questions that are sent in by
• 57:31
  you to me to this e-mail address.
• 57:34
  What you see on the screen. Three questions at
• 57:36
  gavinfish.com. Three questions at
• 57:38
  gavinfish.com. It's spelled out.
• 57:39
  THREE questions at gavinfish.com.
• 57:42
  You know what I've noticed? I bet you've noticed too.
• 57:44
  I tend to get questions from the same people and I, I think
• 57:47
  that's terrific. But if you have a question about
• 57:51
  the mysteries of the universe or about me or about whatever case,
• 57:57
  whatever, and you want my opinion or my answer to it,
• 58:00
  please send it in three questions at gavinfish.com.
• 58:02
  You can send them one at a time. You can send them 1000 at a
• 58:04
  time. I just take them and I put them
• 58:07
  into a spreadsheet and then I look at the spreadsheet and go,
• 58:09
  these are the ones that I want to answer today, but and I will
• 58:12
  answer them all honestly and completely.
• 58:16
  Let's see. Question number one comes from
• 58:19
  CM Warren 58. I prepared for this one, y'all.
• 58:24
  The question is, what was your favorite Christmas present as a
• 58:28
  child? Well, guys, this is not this is
• 58:33
  not a question that I made-up. This just came in.
• 58:36
  OK and I was just back in Sacramento where I discovered in
• 58:42
  my parents attic in like the rafters in the garage a few more
• 58:48
  boxes of mine. I thought I had cleared out
• 58:50
  everything. I had not.
• 58:51
  There were still a couple boxes in there.
• 58:53
  So I opened a box and I beheld one of my favorite Christmas
• 59:01
  presents. Now maybe my favorite Christmas
• 59:04
  present of all time was like my first CD player.
• 59:08
  I got an any CCD player, but in the winter of 1984, when the
• 59:15
  nation was a frenzied A frenzied, I say in the what was
• 59:25
  his name in the the world of Xavier Roberts?
• 59:29
  Everybody wanted a Cabbage Patch Kid.
• 59:33
  They had, I think they actually hit the market in 83, but they
• 59:37
  they reached their crescendo in 84.
• 59:42
  And I am the fourth of five children.
• 59:45
  In 1984 I was nine years old and that would have made my oldest
• 59:52
  sister 16 years old. I would have had a 14 year old
• 59:57
  brother, 12 year old brother and then a a five year old little
• 1:00:03
  sister. OK.
• 1:00:04
  And we were all given by. That jolly old elf T Nicholas.
• 1:00:11
  Each one of us a cabbage patch kid.
• 1:00:18
  And this was mine. This was my little cabbage patch
• 1:00:20
  kid. I found this.
• 1:00:22
  Let me let me bring this U here so you guys can see him a little
• 1:00:24
  bit better. I can't remember his name.
• 1:00:27
  He has a name but I can't remember his name.
• 1:00:30
  Anyway, I found this in a box in my parents attic and I brought
• 1:00:37
  him home and gave him to our youngest daughter.
• 1:00:41
  So for that question, yeah, this is, I mean, at the time I was
• 1:00:48
  over the moon for this guy. Over the moon.
• 1:00:52
  Does the zipper still work? Let's see, let's see.
• 1:00:55
  Oh yeah, he's still got his. He's still got his Cabbage Patch
• 1:00:58
  Kids little little onesie T-shirt on under there.
• 1:01:02
  He's got his diaper on still. He's a he's an original 1984,
• 1:01:08
  not not one of the 1970s before. What was it?
• 1:01:13
  Coleco or whatever licensed it. He's not a soft face.
• 1:01:18
  He is he is one of the hard faced ones, but that is probably
• 1:01:23
  at the time definitely my favorite Christmas present of
• 1:01:27
  all time. Meal Cabbage Patch Kid and now
• 1:01:30
  our daughter gets to play with them.
• 1:01:35
  Thank you for that question. I want to know what your
• 1:01:37
  favorite Christmas present of all time was.
• 1:01:40
  That was that was pretty fun that you asked that Anonymous
• 1:01:45
  asks when solving true crime cases, what resources are most
• 1:01:49
  needed? Really, it depends on the case.
• 1:01:54
  Often times it's I need somebody to take it seriously.
• 1:01:59
  I need the police, I need an investigator, I need the FBII
• 1:02:03
  need a prosecutor's office to take this seriously.
• 1:02:09
  There are way too many families that are just fighting against
• 1:02:14
  that. The Greenbergs, the Winkowskis,
• 1:02:19
  the Elmquests, right? Take this seriously.
• 1:02:23
  My child was murdered. Often times these families don't
• 1:02:29
  fight because they run out of money.
• 1:02:32
  They, they, they can't fight. Often times these families will
• 1:02:36
  mortgage their homes with second mortgages.
• 1:02:39
  Sometimes they will lose their homes in the fight to, to get
• 1:02:43
  justice for their family. So when, when you come across a
• 1:02:48
  family like, like the Winkowskis, the Greenbergs, the
• 1:02:52
  Elmquists, one of the things they might ask for is money.
• 1:02:57
  Money to pay for a private investigator, money to pay for a
• 1:03:01
  publisher, money to pay for, you know, a billboards or something
• 1:03:07
  to get somebody's attention. As long as they are a legitimate
• 1:03:13
  family in need, I, I hope that we all will help.
• 1:03:18
  That's now also, there are people like Tom Brennan, for
• 1:03:23
  example, man with over 800 murder investigations under his
• 1:03:28
  belt who will do it pro bono. So we need more Tom Brennan's of
• 1:03:33
  the world. We need more of those.
• 1:03:36
  Thanks for that question and question #3 tonight from Kelly.
• 1:03:41
  Kevin, are you a thoughtful gift giver?
• 1:03:44
  Kelly, when I answer this, I want you to believe me, OK?
• 1:03:50
  You got to believe this. I am the world's worst giver of
• 1:03:56
  gifts. I suck at it.
• 1:03:58
  I'm. I just don't pay close enough
• 1:04:00
  attention. You know, on my birthday, on my
• 1:04:04
  birthday, which was the big 5 O, which I just I wasn't happy
• 1:04:09
  about. I've really, I really had a hard
• 1:04:10
  time turning 50. I went back to California and as
• 1:04:14
  part of my search for happiness in the in the wake of turning
• 1:04:24
  50, I got back in touch with an old friend and I happened to be
• 1:04:28
  there on my birthday. And I said, let's go out to
• 1:04:31
  dinner. We go out to dinner.
• 1:04:33
  That dude hadn't, we hadn't seen each other in two decades, maybe
• 1:04:37
  2 1/2 decades. And and I, and he and he, first,
• 1:04:42
  he remembered it was my birthday, right?
• 1:04:45
  He remembered. And I was like, please don't
• 1:04:48
  make a big deal out of it. I'm having a hard time.
• 1:04:51
  Let's just not do the birthday thing, right?
• 1:04:54
  So true to form, he was awesome about it.
• 1:04:57
  He's like, yeah, I got you, Gavin, don't worry about it.
• 1:05:00
  But then he brought two of my favorite edible things in the
• 1:05:06
  world. The first being the humble Rice
• 1:05:09
  Krispie treat, which I love, and second being lemon squares,
• 1:05:15
  which I love. And he had remembered from the
• 1:05:20
  time we were like 16-17 years old.
• 1:05:22
  Gavin loves Rice Krispies, Gavin loves lemon squares.
• 1:05:26
  And he just brought them as like, I know that you said no
• 1:05:29
  gifts. This isn't really a gift here.
• 1:05:32
  I thought of you so freaking thoughtful, right?
• 1:05:39
  I, I, no, I'm a terrible gift giver.
• 1:05:43
  I'll tell you what I'm good at though.
• 1:05:44
  I'm good at expressing my actual heartfelt affection for
• 1:05:50
  somebody. I do it verbally.
• 1:05:53
  I do it with eye contact and, and I was taught well by my
• 1:05:58
  parents, but I'm not a good gift giver.
• 1:06:02
  If you have any like tips on how to improve, not improve, improve
• 1:06:09
  hobby, you're going to have to edit that out.
• 1:06:11
  I hope you don't mind. Thank you.
• 1:06:14
  My ability to give gifts. Is there some kind of tool, like
• 1:06:18
  if somebody says something, you know, like, oh, I should jot
• 1:06:23
  that down. You know, she likes this, he
• 1:06:26
  likes this. I could have a list.
• 1:06:28
  I don't know if you have any suggestions on how I could
• 1:06:31
  improve that about myself because I'm so bad at it.
• 1:06:34
  Like if you asked me right now what my wife, the most important
• 1:06:42
  person in my life, wants right now as a gift for her, for our
• 1:06:49
  anniversary, for her birthday, for just because I love her so
• 1:06:54
  much, I I cannot answer that question for you.
• 1:06:59
  She's the most important person in my life.
• 1:07:02
  I have no idea. I have no idea.
• 1:07:05
  And in typical fashion, when our kids have special days, their
• 1:07:10
  birthdays, we have keister days for a couple of our kids.
• 1:07:14
  We have one child who has an anniversary.
• 1:07:19
  I will go to Kimberly and go, what are we going to get the
• 1:07:22
  kids for their anniversary? And she's like, it's already
• 1:07:25
  done, it's in the mail, it's already there.
• 1:07:29
  Good. I married a thoughtful and
• 1:07:32
  terrific woman. I just don't have that.
• 1:07:35
  I don't have that in me. So if you have any, if you have
• 1:07:38
  any thoughts on what I can do to improve that about myself,
• 1:07:42
  please put them in the comments. And while you guys are working,
• 1:07:46
  please put GF in your comments. Anything that you want me to see
• 1:07:49
  while you're working on that, let's move on to headlines,
• 1:07:51
  shall we? True.
• 1:07:57
  Crime headlines. Hey, and before we really hop
• 1:08:02
  into headlines, let me just do one last reminder that for today
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• 1:09:11
  Look at that tachometer. Oh, look, just just look at it
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  chronograph. It's just beautiful.
• 1:09:20
  Anyway, OK, headlines. Do you remember that yesterday
• 1:09:26
  we talked a little bit about which it was a Kardashian that
• 1:09:32
  weighed in on the Nancy Guthrie case.
• 1:09:35
  And I was like, you know what? We're going to talk about it
• 1:09:38
  because it keeps the case top of mind, keeps it in front of
• 1:09:42
  people. Well, we're continuing that.
• 1:09:44
  All right, We're going to continue.
• 1:09:45
  Wrong button, Gavin, that we're going over here.
• 1:09:49
  Reported in.yahoo.com by Sengupta Srimanti or Srimanti
• 1:09:55
  Sheriff Chris Nanos verifies he's keeping secrets in Nancy
• 1:09:58
  Guthrie case after Khloe Kardashian clock's weird
• 1:10:02
  investigation. I know, I know, that was painful
• 1:10:06
  to hear. It wasn't nearly as painful to
• 1:10:08
  hear as it was for me to speak aloud.
• 1:10:10
  But let's read a couple of paragraphs, shall we?
• 1:10:13
  Reality star Khloe Kardashian said that the Nancy Guthrie
• 1:10:16
  investigation is weird, indirectly raising doubts about
• 1:10:20
  Sheriff Kris Nanos's handling of the disappearance of NBC anchor
• 1:10:24
  Savannah Guthrie's mother. Kardashian appeared on an
• 1:10:28
  episode of Khloe in Wonderland. I think I just died a little bit
• 1:10:33
  reading OK, keep going Gavin. And said that the death, that
• 1:10:38
  the dearth of information was mind blowing.
• 1:10:41
  Kardashian reportedly said that Guthrie's case was
• 1:10:44
  heartbreaking, adding. I don't know, I'm just like,
• 1:10:46
  this is 2026. There's nothing that is mind
• 1:10:50
  blowing. Kardashian claims to be obsessed
• 1:10:53
  with the case when she finds vital unknown details.
• 1:10:57
  According to OK Magazine, Nanos has confirmed that their team is
• 1:11:02
  deliberately keeping secrets from the public in the case.
• 1:11:05
  Well, duh. When asked about the alleged
• 1:11:09
  secrets, Nano said yeah, yes, absolutely there are.
• 1:11:12
  But it's not done because we got to keep secret.
• 1:11:14
  It's done because we got to protect our case.
• 1:11:17
  OK, I'm going to stop there. I've, I'm, I died too much
• 1:11:20
  inside. And I've worked so hard over the
• 1:11:23
  last 8 1/2 months to get more healthy.
• 1:11:27
  I don't want years taken off my life by reading this.
• 1:11:31
  But Nancy Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie, Nancy
• 1:11:34
  Guthrie, we got to keep that one top of mind.
• 1:11:38
  OK, Turning to the Alex Murdoch case, Murdoch's lawyers to
• 1:11:43
  introduce shocking DNA findings that could upend murder cases at
• 1:11:48
  retrial. According to Georgia Worrell,
• 1:11:51
  New York post.com, Alex Murdoch's lawyers revealed the
• 1:11:54
  new evidence they'll introduce at retrial to argue the
• 1:11:58
  disgraced legal scion's innocence in his wife and son's
• 1:12:02
  murders, including never before heard DNA findings.
• 1:12:05
  Quote, there was DNA under Maggie's fingernails, male DNA
• 1:12:09
  that was not DNA of Alex or any other family members, Murdoch's
• 1:12:14
  lead attorney Jim Griffin told News Nation anchor Chris Cuomo
• 1:12:18
  on Thursday, one day after the South Carolina Supreme Court
• 1:12:21
  shockingly overturned Murdoch's double murder conviction.
• 1:12:27
  They were never put into CODIS, Griffin said, referring to a
• 1:12:30
  database utilized by law enforcement to compare DNA
• 1:12:33
  profiles that has never been followed up on.
• 1:12:37
  Murdoch, 57, had been serving 2 consecutive life 7 take 2 Javi 2
• 1:12:43
  consecutive life sentences without parole for the grisly
• 1:12:46
  executions of his wife Maggie and their 22 year old son Paul,
• 1:12:50
  after a jury unanimously found him guilty of the slayings
• 1:12:53
  following a dramatic 6 week trial in 2023.
• 1:12:56
  And then as we read in the decision yesterday, because of
• 1:13:01
  miss, what was her name? Rebecca Hill, this woman right
• 1:13:06
  here. I do solemnly swear to tell the
• 1:13:10
  truth. If I'm otherwise, I should be
• 1:13:14
  clutching the pearls that I'd be wearing.
• 1:13:16
  Yeah, she tipped the scales. She has pleaded guilty to
• 1:13:22
  several things. And now we have to go through
• 1:13:26
  another Murdoch trial. Rebecca, you dirty rat.
• 1:13:31
  OK from news for San Antonio No trial date set in Brad Simpson
• 1:13:38
  murder case amid sensitive evidence, review written by
• 1:13:42
  Christopher Hoffman Dateline San Antonio Hobby You're going to
• 1:13:47
  have to earn your keep on this one.
• 1:13:49
  Sorry buddy. A judge declined to set a trial
• 1:13:52
  date Thursday in the murder case against Brad Simpson, citing an
• 1:13:55
  ongoing review of sensitive evidence connected to the
• 1:13:59
  investigation into the disappearance and presumed death
• 1:14:02
  of his wife, Suzanne Simpson. Oh, oh, oh, oh, guys.
• 1:14:08
  Ah, Dang. It didn't do it in time.
• 1:14:13
  I didn't do it in time. I, I got the yachts.
• 1:14:16
  I don't anyone. Yeah.
• 1:14:19
  Suzanne Simpson's body still hasn't been found during a
• 1:14:22
  status hearing. Judge Joel Perez said no trial
• 1:14:26
  date can be scheduled at this time because 81st District Judge
• 1:14:29
  Lynn Ellison is still conducting an in camera review of a large
• 1:14:34
  amount of sensitive case material.
• 1:14:36
  An in camera review is a private examination of confidential or
• 1:14:40
  sensitive evidence by a judge outside the presence of the
• 1:14:43
  public and jury. The process is used to determine
• 1:14:46
  whether certain materials should be released to prosecutors or
• 1:14:49
  the defense. So no, no trial date yet for Mr.
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  Simpson. And then turning to Luigi
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  Mangioni. Prosecutors say his defense
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  team's juror questions are too intrusive.
• 1:15:08
  In federal case. This written by Adam Sabis or
• 1:15:13
  Saves and Maria Peronich on foxnews.com Prosecutors in
• 1:15:17
  Luigian Gavin slow down Gavin, slow down Javi and work hard,
• 1:15:25
  buddy. Prosecutors in the Luigi
• 1:15:27
  Mangioni case are arguing that his defense team's plan to dig
• 1:15:31
  into jurors private lives is too intrusive.
• 1:15:34
  In court documents filed Monday, federal prosecutors responded to
• 1:15:38
  questions to jurors proposed by Mangioni's defense team, which
• 1:15:42
  haven't yet been made public. Deputy US Attorney Sean Buckley
• 1:15:46
  wrote that some of the questions are unnecessarily intrusive.
• 1:15:51
  Mangione, of course, is accused of assassinating the United
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  Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson and his filing.
• 1:15:57
  Buckley argued that a question proposed by Mangione's team
• 1:16:00
  asking jurors about some aspects of their personal lives goes too
• 1:16:04
  far. Quote disputed Question 14 a,
• 1:16:07
  which asks jurors to list, among other personal details, the
• 1:16:11
  ages, genders, occupations and education histories of their
• 1:16:15
  children, is unnecessarily intrusive, he wrote.
• 1:16:19
  Another question disputed by federal prosecutors asks
• 1:16:22
  potential jurors how often they attend religious services.
• 1:16:26
  This question is inappropriate because a jurors religious
• 1:16:29
  practices have no bearing on the jurors fitness to serve, Buckley
• 1:16:32
  wrote. So they continue to fight over
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  there. Now that's that's it for the
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  crime news. OK.
• 1:16:41
  And Wanda, I know that you didn't have time to write a
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  Jingle, though you are a talent and I don't know why it would
• 1:16:48
  take you any time at all. But if you could give us maybe
• 1:16:51
  some transition music to go into good news.
• 1:16:55
  Can you do that for us? It's nice Wanda, getting all the
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  shedding, shedding all the bad vibes, shedding them away so
• 1:17:15
  that we can read this piece of good news.
• 1:17:17
  Thank you Wanda, this piece of good news brought to you by Good
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  News Network written by Andy Corbley With Mills shuttered,
• 1:17:25
  grassroots effort hopes to give Welsh Valley new purpose with
• 1:17:29
  gorgeous 83 mile hiking trail. Guys, I love this so much.
• 1:17:33
  Do you want to know why? Because there is there are
• 1:17:36
  hiking trails all over Great Britain, all over the United
• 1:17:39
  Kingdom where you can just walk. You can walk all the way around
• 1:17:44
  the island. I have availed myself of walking
• 1:17:48
  on said trail multiple times, once with my son and it was
• 1:17:53
  amazing. And I also happen to live in an
• 1:17:56
  area that is economically depressed because the oil
• 1:17:59
  industry left. So what do you do?
• 1:18:03
  Well in Wales they are looking to hiking trails.
• 1:18:07
  A new three day hiking trail is breathing life and money back
• 1:18:10
  into a historic, I should say an historic valley in the Welsh
• 1:18:15
  countryside. Famous for its valleys and its
• 1:18:18
  countryside, Wales is no stranger to hiking routes.
• 1:18:21
  The region has a robust rambling community and an existing famous
• 1:18:26
  trail that traces the Welsh coastline, now meandering along
• 1:18:31
  the is the Taifi River. The Taifi Valley Trail allows
• 1:18:36
  hikers to experience 850 years of history, from the days of
• 1:18:40
  monastic hermitages to the industrial mill towns of the
• 1:18:44
  19th century quote. One of the main reasons for the
• 1:18:47
  trail is to get people with backpacks and boots down here to
• 1:18:50
  spend money, trail organizer James Williams told the
• 1:18:53
  Guardian, whose correspondent walked the trail recently.
• 1:18:56
  Quote, we've seen the economic effect the coastal paths have.
• 1:19:01
  We thought we could have a bit of that as well.
• 1:19:04
  Coastal paths are amazing. The Taifi Taifi River used to be
• 1:19:11
  a substantial economic artery through the Welsh nation.
• 1:19:14
  It was crucial for materials, transportation and a robust
• 1:19:17
  fishing industry, while the surrounding countryside was the
• 1:19:20
  heart of Welsh wool production. Anyway, they've built a trail 85
• 1:19:27
  miles long. For those of you who are in the
• 1:19:30
  United Kingdom, maybe go down there, maybe walk that area and
• 1:19:34
  see some amazing things. The last time I was on the
• 1:19:36
  Coastal Trail in Great Britain, it was in the South, and I was
• 1:19:41
  walking along with my son and we came across a church that had
• 1:19:48
  been in continuous use since 1100.
• 1:19:52
  I just thought that as an American, that is so freaking
• 1:19:54
  old, and I loved it so much to share that time walking the
• 1:19:59
  Coastal path with my son. So that made me feel happy.
• 1:20:04
  And those guys, those, what are they?
• 1:20:06
  They're your headlines. True crime.
• 1:20:13
  Headlines. All righty, let's finish out our
• 1:20:18
  day with some of your comments. Let's see, it's refreshed.
• 1:20:25
  I think I'm going to miss some of them, Mooney says, talking
• 1:20:30
  about her favorite Christmas gift.
• 1:20:33
  Mine was a snow cone maker. I was in the hospital really
• 1:20:37
  sick and Santa came. I was so surprised he found me
• 1:20:39
  in the hospital. I was four or five.
• 1:20:41
  Well, Santa's magical old elf. That's awesome.
• 1:20:48
  Yes. I have not checked, but this is
• 1:20:51
  true. There is a little Xavier Roberts
• 1:20:54
  signature on the bottom. Yes, indeed.
• 1:20:59
  What else have you got, Kelly? Is Kelly's trying to Kelly,
• 1:21:05
  you're trying to break the rules.
• 1:21:07
  Got to send that if you got to send the question in, Debbie
• 1:21:10
  says, is Tom the private investigator helping the
• 1:21:13
  Greenbergs free of charge all these years?
• 1:21:15
  Yes, he is. Tom Brennan is the best.
• 1:21:19
  Glitter is forever, says Gavin. I call BSI would believe you to
• 1:21:23
  be a great gift giver because you are empathetic, observant
• 1:21:26
  and thoughtful. A sentimentalist or a connector
• 1:21:31
  gaining joy from making others feel seen and special.
• 1:21:34
  Yeah. I just don't know how to do it
• 1:21:35
  through gifting. I can do it through language,
• 1:21:39
  but I don't know how to do it through gifting.
• 1:21:42
  You, you can call BS all you want.
• 1:21:45
  The truth remains true, K Bling says.
• 1:21:49
  Ha, ha, Gavin. Gift givers are usually women.
• 1:21:51
  Women tune into what people want.
• 1:21:53
  Sorry, but it's true. That's amazing for a guy.
• 1:21:55
  Yeah, Matt. Matt's the best.
• 1:21:57
  Kelly. Trying to get just trying to get
• 1:22:00
  me to answer a question during three questions.
• 1:22:02
  Got to got to send it in. Got to send it in.
• 1:22:06
  Freda says I'm a good gift giver as long as it's not under the
• 1:22:10
  precious or the pressure of a holiday.
• 1:22:14
  Let's start over. I'm a good gift giver as long as
• 1:22:17
  it's not under the pressure of a holiday.
• 1:22:20
  IEI should just save the gift until it's time.
• 1:22:25
  Clarinet girl says 1. Christmas in my toys was one of
• 1:22:28
  the really, really good metal slinkies.
• 1:22:32
  This was in the 1960s. I played with it up and down our
• 1:22:36
  front steps for hours and hours. Oh yeah, the metal ones, that
• 1:22:40
  classic good stuff, Robin says. I feel like the white gloved
• 1:22:46
  hand holding the watch has a British accent.
• 1:22:48
  Well, I mean, Omega is a British company.
• 1:22:51
  No, it's not Swiss, Swiss company.
• 1:22:53
  It's just I, I always, let's bring it up here.
• 1:23:00
  Anytime I think Omega, I think James Bond.
• 1:23:03
  Look at that, just look at that. That is glorious.
• 1:23:07
  OK, just Ducky, do we get peanut butter with that fluff?
• 1:23:12
  Thank you very much Ducky for the Super chat.
• 1:23:14
  Appreciate that. Debbie, gift cards to your wife,
• 1:23:18
  favorite place or prepaid visa card for anywhere or just ask
• 1:23:22
  her what she wants from you. Easy peasy.
• 1:23:24
  I feel like I feel like part of being a good gift getter giver
• 1:23:28
  is being a guy or person who can, who can just sense it.
• 1:23:35
  And for my wife, it doesn't work.
• 1:23:37
  Money, gift cards does not work. She that doesn't work.
• 1:23:42
  But thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 1:23:47
  Diane Faris, could your hair be falling out due to the change in
• 1:23:50
  your diet? My hair is falling out
• 1:23:53
  everywhere. It my diet is healthy and I am
• 1:23:57
  taking the supplements for my hair and I've been looking at
• 1:24:01
  pictures from like 10 years ago. My hairline is the same from
• 1:24:04
  back then. I don't think I'm losing hair.
• 1:24:06
  I'm just like, it's just hey, wait a minute, Diane, did you
• 1:24:11
  get in a question? You got in a question during
• 1:24:15
  three questions. I can't believe I fell for it.
• 1:24:20
  Thank you for saying Alex, not Alec Murdoch.
• 1:24:22
  Nobody on TV says it, right? Please take note.
• 1:24:25
  This is not an endorsement for the man.
• 1:24:26
  Thank you clarinet girl. Kelly Alexander.
• 1:24:30
  Mine was the Kissy doll. Very very popular in the early
• 1:24:34
  60s. Oh, now Debbie's now Debbie's
• 1:24:38
  hopping in. Have I ever regifted a gift?
• 1:24:41
  I will. I will not answer that unless it
• 1:24:43
  is emailed to three questions at gavinfish.com.
• 1:24:47
  Guys, this has been a great week.
• 1:24:48
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• 1:24:52
  Hey, if you are in the re watch crew and you have a Spotify
• 1:24:56
  membership, please go watch over there it it is a free and easy
• 1:25:00
  way to help the channel. The channel has been growing.
• 1:25:04
  I think I surpassed the 800 subscribers mark over on
• 1:25:11
  Spotify, which doesn't sound like much, but I love it.
• 1:25:15
  I love that it is growing. All I do is at the end of this
• 1:25:19
  here live stream on YouTube. I uploaded to Spotify and I
• 1:25:22
  deeply, deeply appreciate those who watch over there.
• 1:25:25
  I'm working on coming up with ideas for giving more value to
• 1:25:33
  those of you who are members of the channel and also are on
• 1:25:38
  Patreon. I think I'm going to do a weekly
• 1:25:42
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• 1:25:45
  be on Tuesdays. So tell me what you think in the
• 1:25:49
  comments about that, about doing an after show for my patrons and
• 1:25:53
  my members. I think that's what I'm going to
• 1:25:56
  do. And but I want your, your input
• 1:26:00
  on that. Yeah, just trying to just trying
• 1:26:05
  to, I don't know. It's the same thing with the
• 1:26:09
  giveaway. You guys are so awesome.
• 1:26:10
  I want to, I want to do something where where I can
• 1:26:14
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• 1:26:18
  Thank you for making it a great week.
• 1:26:19
  I hope you have a terrific weekend.
• 1:26:21
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• 1:26:25
  I'm so excited for. And then we will be back on
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• 1:26:30
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• 1:26:33
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