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What is intuition? · Life In Flow Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Life in Flow podcast.
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The three of us,
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Yulia,
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Polina,
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and Irina,
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are exploring what Life in Flow and Flow in Life is.
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Join us as we experiment,
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test our diverse hypotheses,
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and have fun in the process.
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SPEAKER_02: Will we find an answer?
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SPEAKER_02: This isn't just an intellectual discussion.
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SPEAKER_02: We're co-creating a shared field beyond words.
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We're attuning to what emerges moment by moment so that the
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conversation itself
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SPEAKER_02: becomes a group flow experience.
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SPEAKER_00: And we invite you to become an active participant in this experiment.
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SPEAKER_00: There will be pauses and moments of silence.
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SPEAKER_00: We leave them on purpose because this is where magic happens.
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SPEAKER_00: Go beyond the intellectual information.
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SPEAKER_00: Listen with your whole body.
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SPEAKER_00: And notice how your somatic experience shifts in the process.
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Share with us what reveals itself in the space where mind,
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body,
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and energy flow together.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Life & Flow.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm Polina moderating today.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm here with my co-hosts, Yulia and Irina.
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SPEAKER_02: And today we're diving into intuition.
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SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
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SPEAKER_02: What is it really?
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SPEAKER_02: How does it relate to flow?
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SPEAKER_02: And can we learn to receive and follow intuition more skillfully?
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SPEAKER_02: Let's begin by arriving together and do a quick centering.
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SPEAKER_02: Find your feet on the floor and we're inviting the audience,
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SPEAKER_02: whoever's listening to do this with us.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a great little practice.
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SPEAKER_02: Find your feet on the floor.
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Find each little toe and each middle toe and each big toe and
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wiggle them if you need to.
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Let your body settle,
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whether you're sitting or standing,
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settle wherever you are.
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Take a deep breath through your nose and feel the expansion of
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your tummy.
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SPEAKER_02: And then the release on the breath out.
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SPEAKER_02: One more time in and the expansion in your chest.
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SPEAKER_02: Out the release and the movement back down of the chest.
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Now bring your awareness to your spine and imagine that each
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vertebra is a pearl and a string.
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SPEAKER_02: And with every breath, let that string lengthen upward gently.
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You're tuning your inner instrument and then you relax back
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down and you feel the
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SPEAKER_02: body coming back a little bit more.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this just gets us a little bit more in the body.
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SPEAKER_02: This is a practice that the three of us do all the time.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think each of us practices in their own way in our daily lives.
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Let's do a quick exercise just to drop into maybe our own
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intuitive field a little bit more.
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SPEAKER_02: A quick game, I think it's called First Sense.
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SPEAKER_02: We'll each say a word that intuitively arises from the one before.
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SPEAKER_02: So no thinking, no story, just the first sense, right?
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SPEAKER_02: About the word that was presented.
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SPEAKER_02: So I'll bring up the first word.
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SPEAKER_00: Kindness Heart Integration Synthesis Whole Expansion Coherence Light
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SPEAKER_02: Wave.
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SPEAKER_02: Surfing.
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SPEAKER_00: Water.
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SPEAKER_00: Direction.
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SPEAKER_02: No thinking.
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SPEAKER_02: I was actually not thinking.
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SPEAKER_02: I was trying to sense what's coming up, but there's no word coming up.
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SPEAKER_02: There's like a sensation coming up.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like.
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SPEAKER_01: Oscillating.
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SPEAKER_00: Vibration.
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SPEAKER_00: Drops.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you for playing.
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SPEAKER_02: Now let's dive into some questions, see what unfolds.
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These questions really are inviting story,
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reflection,
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insight,
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whatever comes.
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SPEAKER_02: Can you share a story when you felt a very strong intuitive nudge?
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SPEAKER_00: Can I bring magic too early in the conversation?
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SPEAKER_00: Whatever's arising.
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SPEAKER_00: It involves the...
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Like the,
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so a hot topic,
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at least among,
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among some of us recently,
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the topic of human design.
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And for me,
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like when I encountered a human design in a launched into this,
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um,
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personal experiment it was all about you know like how to learn
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to listen to this
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inner voice that is supposed to emerge in the body and manifest
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somehow in the body
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and that i was absolutely resolved on like i will learn to live
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only listening to
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SPEAKER_00: this voice
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And I was following one guy on Instagram or on YouTube,
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like social media.
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SPEAKER_00: And he was directing, let's say, like, is the track, the medical school.
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SPEAKER_00: And I love the way how he was talking about things.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I subscribed to the school and one day I received the message that
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from the school that it was an invitation to sign up to one of
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their main courses,
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SPEAKER_00: but I never had planned to do it.
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SPEAKER_00: I wanted to start with them,
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SPEAKER_00: but I was thinking maybe later,
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SPEAKER_00: some of the others,
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't want to sign up to this one.
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SPEAKER_00: And when I received the...
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SPEAKER_00: this message,
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SPEAKER_00: this email,
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SPEAKER_00: I had this very,
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SPEAKER_00: very clear urge in the body saying to me,
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SPEAKER_00: you're like,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: this is it.
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SPEAKER_00: This is the direction you need to do that.
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SPEAKER_00: I was experimenting.
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SPEAKER_00: I said, okay, then I will do that.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I signed up to this course and the whole course,
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SPEAKER_00: it was all about you need to train your willpower.
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SPEAKER_00: You need to train your willpower.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like,
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it has been a year or maybe even more that I was all immersed
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in the human design.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's all about, you're like, surrender your willpower.
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SPEAKER_00: You have no control.
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SPEAKER_00: Just learn to surrender and flow and go with life.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I don't understand what is happening.
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SPEAKER_00: It's supposed that I followed my inner force,
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SPEAKER_00: this intuitive signal that sent me that I need to sign up here.
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SPEAKER_00: And how am I supposed to reconcile these two contradictory messages?
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One is saying surrender control and there is no willpower,
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there is no choice.
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SPEAKER_00: And I want,
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SPEAKER_00: no,
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you need to train your willpower to exercise your will on the
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world or not your
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SPEAKER_00: reality.
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SPEAKER_00: And how I reconciled these two messages, it's in our story.
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Well,
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can I ask you what it felt like,
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that intuitive hit that you felt in the body?
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SPEAKER_02: Can you describe the sensation?
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SPEAKER_02: Where was it?
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SPEAKER_00: It's just like the physical pool
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know how to describe it.
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This is the thing with the intuition that it's very difficult
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to describe.
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SPEAKER_00: I know that there was a physical sensation,
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SPEAKER_00: that I felt it in the body,
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SPEAKER_00: but I don't know how to describe it.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like the physical pull that was directing me,
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SPEAKER_00: was saying,
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SPEAKER_00: this is the direction you need to go.
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SPEAKER_00: You need to say yes to this.
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SPEAKER_00: Cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: That is a story with an unexpected end, I would say.
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SPEAKER_00: I was expecting lots of magic and how things work out.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was thinking about my stories.
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SPEAKER_00: And only very pragmatic things come to mind at the moment.
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SPEAKER_00: Lately.
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SPEAKER_00: And lately, I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: maybe the last six months or so,
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SPEAKER_00: I have this nice feeling,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess,
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SPEAKER_00: of trust that whatever I do is going to work out in one way or another.
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SPEAKER_00: There is a reason why I'm doing this.
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SPEAKER_00: But now it also,
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SPEAKER_00: for me,
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SPEAKER_00: for example,
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SPEAKER_00: with,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: doing stuff around the house or even grocery shopping,
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SPEAKER_00: it's like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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I go to the store and usually I don't buy this particular
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product till Saturday,
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SPEAKER_00: let's say.
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SPEAKER_00: And now all of a sudden I buy it,
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I get home and I find out that tomorrow all stores are closed
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because there is some
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SPEAKER_00: holiday I was not aware of.
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SPEAKER_00: Or I'm very much into gardening,
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SPEAKER_00: running multiple experiences in the garden,
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SPEAKER_00: but also having lots of pots that I collected.
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And so I'm going through the neighborhood and some of the
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neighbors are giving away
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SPEAKER_00: the old pots.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's like, okay, I don't really need any pots at the moment.
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SPEAKER_00: But then kind of like my hand
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SPEAKER_00: grabs a particular pot, which was quite heavy.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay, it seems that I didn't need a pot for something.
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So I take the pot and I go,
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yes,
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I do need exactly this pot just a couple days later.
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SPEAKER_00: So anyway, these are some of the examples that came up for me.
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SPEAKER_02: I love that because you're actually sharing,
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SPEAKER_02: as you said,
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a lot more practical examples like intuition in their smaller
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day to day practical
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SPEAKER_02: moments.
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SPEAKER_02: It's so cool.
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SPEAKER_02: Can I ask you to describe to me the sensory experience of that intuitive,
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SPEAKER_02: intuitive kind of intuitive hit,
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if you want to say whatever you I don't know how you describe
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it in your words.
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SPEAKER_02: What does it feel like?
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I always want to say that it's like my body is doing something
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that the mind cannot
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SPEAKER_00: explain and I allow myself to not resist it.
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SPEAKER_00: Something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like, my head is doing that and my mind is like,
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, wait, but no, that's wrong, but we shouldn't be doing that.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay, just shut up.
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Dan Siegel says the mind has its own mind,
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but it doesn't mean we have to listen to it.
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SPEAKER_02: I love it.
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SPEAKER_02: OK,
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SPEAKER_02: well,
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SPEAKER_02: my example,
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it's funny because there's only one that's coming up is
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actually about us doing
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SPEAKER_02: this podcast together.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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We we were experimenting and meeting and doing all kinds of
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different things.
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SPEAKER_02: And and then the idea of a podcast,
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know,
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SPEAKER_02: or doing us doing something together in a different way.
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SPEAKER_02: was sort of in the field, but not really.
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SPEAKER_02: But then at some point, something happened.
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I don't remember exactly how that conversation came up or like
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what what exactly led to it.
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SPEAKER_02: But even though I had no idea what we're actually going to do,
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SPEAKER_02: and we didn't,
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SPEAKER_02: right,
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SPEAKER_02: we collectively didn't have an idea of what we're going to do.
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SPEAKER_02: Um,
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SPEAKER_02: or how possible it was or anything that would rationally be like,
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SPEAKER_02: yeah,
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SPEAKER_02: this is a good idea,
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SPEAKER_02: let's do this.
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SPEAKER_02: It was literally for me like this intuitive pull of,
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SPEAKER_02: okay,
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I have to like organize us and I have to like transition us to
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actually doing it.
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So let's just do it even though we have no idea what the hell
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we're doing or how or
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SPEAKER_02: when or what,
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SPEAKER_02: let's just do it.
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SPEAKER_02: And I remember that sensation was like,
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SPEAKER_02: Just start it so that it's already there.
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SPEAKER_02: Something's there for us to connect to.
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SPEAKER_02: And then we'll see.
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SPEAKER_02: We'll see the rest.
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And even though my mind,
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as both of you have described,
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my mind was like,
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well,
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how?
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SPEAKER_02: What?
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SPEAKER_02: How?
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SPEAKER_02: Why?
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SPEAKER_02: But the pool was there.
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SPEAKER_02: And I chose.
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SPEAKER_02: So that's like that.
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SPEAKER_02: There was still a choice around it.
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SPEAKER_02: I chose to follow the pool.
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SPEAKER_02: And then here we are now, right?
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SPEAKER_02: It was like a cool little sort of nudge forward,
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even though we still don't know exactly what we're doing or how
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it's all going to
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SPEAKER_02: turn out,
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SPEAKER_02: but it's the process and the journey.
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SPEAKER_02: So that was my example.
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SPEAKER_00: I remember that day and how quickly a couple of things happened.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like, you know, from...
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SPEAKER_00: I think I had an urge also to send a text.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like, girls, maybe we could start a podcast.
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And I was like,
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yeah,
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yeah,
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let's...
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And Valina is like,
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okay,
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how about this?
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm, you know, creating a web page for us.
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SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh, wow, that was...
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's cool.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't remember that, but that makes sense.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe that was what prompted for me to even check.
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SPEAKER_02: Like,
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SPEAKER_02: is this something you know,
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SPEAKER_02: is there something that there's enough energy in the field for this?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, should we do it?
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SPEAKER_02: Do you remember how how it happened?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, we know the memory is a bitch, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I remember it differently.
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SPEAKER_00: It didn't happen in one day.
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But I do remember it was Yule who said,
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girls,
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what about making podcasts together?
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SPEAKER_00: I do remember your very enthusiastic reaction, Polina.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, let's do it.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was obvious that you had this...
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intuitive answer already,
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yeah,
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in the body and in the field that,
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yes,
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let's do it.
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But Polina bought the...
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created the website,
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bought the...
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the domain,
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etc.
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Later,
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when we decided on the...
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on the Life & Flow title,
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it took us some time.
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SPEAKER_02: That's true, but there was something that...
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SPEAKER_02: Something,
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SPEAKER_02: so I think when Eula gave that idea,
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SPEAKER_02: I got super excited,
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SPEAKER_02: but then there was a choice to make.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, is this really a thing?
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SPEAKER_02: Do we do something about it or is this not a thing?
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SPEAKER_02: And my intuitive hit in that moment was like,
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OK,
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someone like we either like move this whole thing forward and
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we lean in or we don't.
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SPEAKER_02: So there was like intuition,
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but also action that was required to energetically move the
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thing forward.
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SPEAKER_02: Does that make sense?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, it does.
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And sometimes the intuitive action or like what the intuitive
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voice says to you to
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SPEAKER_00: do is not to take an action.
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SPEAKER_00: Whereas your mind might say, no, like, something needs to be done.
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SPEAKER_00: You need to do something.
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SPEAKER_00: You need to solve this.
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SPEAKER_00: Or whatever.
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Those are,
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I must say,
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those are difficult moments for me because I have a history.
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SPEAKER_00: So what in the...
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SPEAKER_00: this positive intelligence assessment.
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SPEAKER_00: One of my biggest saboteurs is about avoidance.
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SPEAKER_00: Avoidance, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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I tend to kind of like avoid and push things away till the last
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moment and things
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SPEAKER_00: like that.
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SPEAKER_00: And so,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: and then there are those moments when,
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SPEAKER_00: okay,
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SPEAKER_00: I know I need to do something,
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SPEAKER_00: but I'm not doing it.
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I'm not doing it,
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and I think that I'm not doing it because of that intuitive
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feeling.
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But then on the other hand,
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because I have this history of avoidance,
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it's like,
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hmm,
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really?
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SPEAKER_00: Is it intuition?
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SPEAKER_00: Is it you going back to where you were?
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SPEAKER_00: So that's a tricky one for me.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
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SPEAKER_00: Go ahead, Yir.
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SPEAKER_00: No, I just wanted to say I think that it is always a challenge.
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SPEAKER_00: At least for some,
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SPEAKER_00: in certain circumstances,
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SPEAKER_00: it also depends on our inner,
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SPEAKER_00: how each of us is right,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess.
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SPEAKER_00: But for me,
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SPEAKER_00: at least,
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it's always a challenge to discern and to learn to find this
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fine line between,
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SPEAKER_00: okay,
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SPEAKER_00: yes,
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SPEAKER_00: this is the inner knowing,
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This is the voice that I really need to listen,
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although it might contradict the rational mind.
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SPEAKER_00: And here, this is my traumas, my fears, my complexes talking.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's like,
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SPEAKER_00: as we mentioned it a lot of times,
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SPEAKER_00: it's just the constant path of,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: constant learning and experimenting and experiencing and...
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Like you follow one voice and you're like,
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no,
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that was not the voice I was supposed to follow.
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So like you go for trial and error again and you follow another
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voice and say,
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SPEAKER_00: no,
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SPEAKER_00: this time it was the other one.
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so like sometimes how do you know how do you know it that was
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my actually next
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question so thank you for segueing into it how do you know
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whether it's like an
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actual intuitive you know like wisdom piece of uh something
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coming up or it's fear
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that's dressed up in how do you you mean how do you evaluate it
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posteriori whether
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SPEAKER_00: it was the correct
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SPEAKER_02: In the moment, this is the thing.
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SPEAKER_00: With me,
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SPEAKER_00: at least,
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SPEAKER_00: it happens quite often that in the moment,
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SPEAKER_00: it feels like totally,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: this is the intuition.
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This is the voice I need to follow because this is like the
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inner knowing and you
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SPEAKER_00: feel like,
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SPEAKER_00: yes,
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SPEAKER_00: there is the...
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coherence in the body the expansion and the fire yeah and then
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later on you
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understand well I understand yeah that was my old pattern
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disguised as my inner
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voice that the fear that I didn't want to face because it's too
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painful so it's
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SPEAKER_00: was pushing me towards the action and making me to believe,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: this is my mission,
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SPEAKER_00: this is what I'm supposed to do.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I was trying to avoid certain unpleasant experiences.
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SPEAKER_02: So you're saying that usually for you, it is a post-processing thing.
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So are there any clues at all that maybe you are already
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becoming aware of that in
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the moment you have a way to parse through whether this is
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actual intuition or it's
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SPEAKER_02: some of your saboteur patterns or some of the trauma patterns coming up?
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SPEAKER_02: Is there anything that's a clue?
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SPEAKER_00: There are some clues, but they're not always present.
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SPEAKER_00: So all these different definitions of the intuition,
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they indicate that it's actually a concept that englobes
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different phenomenon that
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SPEAKER_00: we call with the same name.
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SPEAKER_00: So...
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Some clues that I do use as guides in the moment is really like
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the sensations in
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SPEAKER_00: the body that we could describe like expansion versus contraction.
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SPEAKER_00: They might be very subtle.
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SPEAKER_00: So what I was saying that you're like...
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everything is saying to you that you're like yeah this is the
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direction this is
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what the steps that needs to be done and your body is like and
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one might say yeah
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but this is may might be like a trauma reaction like the freeze
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reaction but
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SPEAKER_00: There is also,
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SPEAKER_00: and this is not so much the bodily sensation,
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SPEAKER_00: there is something that I call the inner knowing,
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SPEAKER_00: that sometimes really like there is the voice whispering to me,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: this is just the fear that you actually need to overcome.
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SPEAKER_00: So there is this need to push through something, through resistance.
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SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it's just like the body says, I'm not moving.
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SPEAKER_00: Because,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
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SPEAKER_00: it's not the moment,
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SPEAKER_00: it's not the direction,
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SPEAKER_00: these are not the steps that I'm supposed to fulfill,
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SPEAKER_00: but nope.
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SPEAKER_00: So,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: this,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: the absence of automatic movement in the body,
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SPEAKER_00: it's very similar to what Yulia described with her pause,
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SPEAKER_00: or,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: in her,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: day-to-day actions,
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SPEAKER_00: just...
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SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's really like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know that you need to do things,
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SPEAKER_00: but yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: the body is not moving.
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SPEAKER_00: And there is always this fight with the mind that the mindset says,
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SPEAKER_00: no,
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SPEAKER_00: like you need to push,
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SPEAKER_00: you need to go forward.
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SPEAKER_00: And here I agree that it requires the inner regulation, the presence of,
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to learn to really to hear very well the subtleness of each
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voices and to learn to
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SPEAKER_00: discern which one is which.
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SPEAKER_00: So I would say...
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SPEAKER_00: It's, yeah, these are my clues.
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But I'm saying,
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like,
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they're not always present or they might be mixed up.
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There might be too much of the information or maybe too
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overwhelmed and not being
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SPEAKER_00: aware of it to be able to discern all this.
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SPEAKER_00: But the clues are mostly the expansion or the feeling,
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SPEAKER_00: like the warmth,
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SPEAKER_00: the lightness in the body or...
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opposed to contraction like this thing nope yeah it's just like
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the the absence of
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the presence of the movement that is just like that the body
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itself initiates just
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the body doesn't the body wants to move or not and the the the
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this is what this is
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the most difficult part to describe what i call the inner
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knowing this inner voice
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That you just,
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you know things and then they're not coming from any rational
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thinking.
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SPEAKER_02: You know things in the body, you mean, and not necessarily in the brain?
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SPEAKER_02: Is that what you're describing?
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SPEAKER_02: Because you keep doing hand motion in front of your body.
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SPEAKER_02: So you know somewhere, like, go ahead.
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SPEAKER_00: I would describe it like this.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, like, I think I perceive it's just like there is a field.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
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around me,
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they're not necessarily because this is in a knowing it's not a
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physical sensation.
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SPEAKER_00: So I would say that I do locate it like in the center of this field.
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SPEAKER_00: And I am also in the center of this field.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's not necessarily.
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SPEAKER_02: But it's not in the body.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh,
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SPEAKER_02: you see,
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SPEAKER_02: because your hand motions made me feel like,
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SPEAKER_02: oh,
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SPEAKER_02: you're not describing something inside the body.
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SPEAKER_02: You're actually describing something else.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's inside of me, but it's not inside of the body.
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whoa that's a really cool distinction so it sounds like it's a
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pretty complex uh
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combination of all kinds of different elements and even reading
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data that's not
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SPEAKER_02: even necessarily in your physical body,
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SPEAKER_02: right?
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SPEAKER_02: When they talk about like that gut feeling,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: which makes us think,
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SPEAKER_02: oh,
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SPEAKER_02: it's actually inside the body.
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SPEAKER_02: But what you're describing is there's an intuitive,
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there's a field from which you pick up your intuitive sense
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that's not in the body.
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SPEAKER_02: It's in your kind of energy body.
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Yeah,
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but because this inner knowing that I'm referring to,
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I wouldn't call it the gut feeling.
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SPEAKER_00: The gut feeling,
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SPEAKER_00: the way at least I understand it,
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SPEAKER_00: in my experience,
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SPEAKER_00: it is related to the physical sensation in the body.
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SPEAKER_00: It's more like this expansion or contraction.
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thing i think for me wait so there is a physical component even
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though you just
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described that the the actual sense is in the energy body there
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is a physical
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component in the gut or do those happen at different times no
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that these are two
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SPEAKER_00: different intuitions so sometimes you have a gut feeling intuition
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SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it might be gut feeling,
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SPEAKER_00: sometimes it's this inner knowing,
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SPEAKER_00: which I distinguish from the gut feeling.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, OK.
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Do they lead in the same direction usually,
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or do they have a different function?
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SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
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SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
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SPEAKER_02: It's in the process.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm still gathering empirical data on this one.
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SPEAKER_02: Thanks for sharing here.
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SPEAKER_02: Yul, what comes up for you around this question?
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SPEAKER_02: Do you want me to phrase it again?
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How do you know when it's true intuition versus it's something
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else that's dressed
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SPEAKER_02: up as intuition?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I remember the question.
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think for me also i'm looking for different sources of
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information and yes the body
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is one of the sources um but then one of the things i'm also
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looking for and and um
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i really like this uh lately is looking for some clues and and
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it's sometimes
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SPEAKER_00: physical clues in the outside environment for example
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like you know well i'm very much into um plants right and all
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the the the natural
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world and it could be like a plant a specific plant or
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something um a shape of a
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tree or a tree or something in my environment that's giving me
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actually visual
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SPEAKER_00: clues to um to that and then
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I also there is I used to be quite protective almost about this
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bodily nature of
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intuition going into this like okay interception and gut
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feeling and all those
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SPEAKER_00: But now I'm also like, hmm, not really.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm not the only one, you know, who is sensing something, right?
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I'm interacting with other,
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like we discussed in is the world alive,
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right?
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I'm interacting with a lot of different agents,
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you know,
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visible and not visible.
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SPEAKER_00: So,
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I'm also looking for,
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again,
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maybe this time,
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not visual clues,
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but from the environment.
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SPEAKER_00: And again, sometimes it's like, huh, some thought all of a sudden.
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SPEAKER_00: So,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: thought,
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SPEAKER_00: it's not like we don't see it as intuition,
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but sometimes I see thought as prompted by something that
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actually does support or
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SPEAKER_00: does not support this,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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yeah this intuitive um something or it helps to call it qualify
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it let's say let's
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put it like that so you're describing like a relational aspect
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when it comes to
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your intuition a relation with the outside world plants living
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things and that
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SPEAKER_02: leads you to an intuitive response is am i getting that right
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SPEAKER_00: That leads me to qualifying.
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What is it that,
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am I really procrastinating right now because I'm just tired?
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SPEAKER_00: Or is it something that,
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or something is telling me that maybe this is best to be put
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aside for now?
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SPEAKER_00: And this is, I'm just trying to qualify it in different ways.
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SPEAKER_00: Also, I've been a fan lately of fun stuff for qualifying or there is,
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I think it's called divination or sometimes it's whatever
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called different things
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SPEAKER_00: and basically you can just say,
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SPEAKER_00: okay,
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let me get a clue by thinking about a book that I'm going to
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pick up from that
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SPEAKER_00: shelf and maybe I'm going to open up this page and look up
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a word on the 10th line from the top and see what the sentence
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says to me.
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SPEAKER_00: So things like that.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm really kind of like have diversified the sources.
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SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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SPEAKER_02: You're like letting the field speak to you.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: But what is your part of the intuitive kind of hint?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, is it still...
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SPEAKER_02: somewhere in your body?
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SPEAKER_02: What is it?
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SPEAKER_02: Is it in your energy field?
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SPEAKER_02: How does it arise other than the external cue?
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SPEAKER_02: What's your piece of the system?
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SPEAKER_02: So the answer to this,
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SPEAKER_00: again,
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SPEAKER_00: used to be easy because I would say,
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SPEAKER_00: okay,
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SPEAKER_00: I know what's happening to my breath.
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SPEAKER_00: I know what's happening to my heart rate or my gut feeling or whatever.
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I'm getting goosebumps and I'm changing the posture of my body
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or the position is
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SPEAKER_00: changing and I know something is up.
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SPEAKER_00: And there is some of that, like a lot of clues that come from my body.
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but now it's really hard to say because there's so much of the
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interplay between
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different sources of information that i was like where did i
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get that i don't know
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honestly funny okay that's cool that's cool that's definitely
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different a different
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element to all of this um that i'm seeing is emerging um what
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about where what
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thank you for asking yeah um so for me i one of the clearest
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examples for this
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conversation is this is what you brought up uh is this
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avoidance or is this
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intuition like that's one of the clearest signals for me these
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days because i do
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SPEAKER_02: have an avoidance pattern it's part of my system um and
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SPEAKER_02: Some time ago,
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SPEAKER_02: a friend of mine described her avoidance pattern,
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SPEAKER_02: and that made me think about mine in a different way.
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SPEAKER_02: Because she really described like, hey, sometimes I'm avoiding something.
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SPEAKER_02: And then I start beating myself up.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, you know, I'm not doing well enough or I'm not on time.
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SPEAKER_02: But then she really started getting from the field those recognitions.
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SPEAKER_02: Why?
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SPEAKER_02: It was not meant to be done.
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SPEAKER_02: It was going to be a waste of time.
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SPEAKER_02: or I was gonna shift anyway and change.
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So she was in the process of really getting to her intuitive
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sense around this.
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And then I was like,
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oh my God,
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wait,
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is that what's happening to me as well?
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SPEAKER_02: And so I still don't know 100% certainty when this avoidance comes up.
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if it is me legitimately avoiding it because i just don't feel
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like doing it or
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there's too many steps you know or just like i'm getting a bit
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overwhelmed or am i
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actually picking up on something that it's either just not
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ready yet or i'm not in
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the right state for this thing yet or like just things haven't
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come together yet
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SPEAKER_02: And the more I practice,
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SPEAKER_02: just at least have an awareness of this difference in mechanisms,
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SPEAKER_02: it still looks the same on the surface.
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SPEAKER_02: So it requires a more tuning in to be like,
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SPEAKER_02: hold on,
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SPEAKER_02: is this like my system just like doesn't feel like it?
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SPEAKER_02: Or...
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SPEAKER_02: Is there some type of like sense?
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SPEAKER_02: And it's kind of what you described here.
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SPEAKER_02: It's also not really in my body.
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SPEAKER_02: It's it's somewhere actually outside of the body.
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SPEAKER_02: So in like this other intelligence kind of space about,
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SPEAKER_02: OK,
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SPEAKER_02: it's not it's just not not not yet or not now or and I don't know why,
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SPEAKER_02: but it all present itself.
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SPEAKER_02: And usually.
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SPEAKER_02: When I look afterwards, right?
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SPEAKER_02: So when I review it,
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SPEAKER_02: post the thing that happened,
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SPEAKER_02: then I'm like,
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SPEAKER_02: oh,
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SPEAKER_02: it makes sense why this was not a yes,
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SPEAKER_02: right?
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SPEAKER_02: There wasn't like that expansive, yes, let's go for it.
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SPEAKER_02: It wasn't me avoiding it.
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SPEAKER_02: It was actually me waiting.
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So there's such a difference between this waiting pattern for
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things to come
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SPEAKER_02: together versus avoiding.
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And the body in terms of expansion or contraction is one of the
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clues,
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right?
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But usually it's not I don't know that I have such a fine
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mechanism for what is it
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SPEAKER_02: like in the body because it really does live outside the body for me.
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SPEAKER_02: So there's lots of things that go on.
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But the more I start trusting that this is a thing,
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you know,
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this is just part of the process.
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And the more the less fear there is around like,
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OK,
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maybe I will get it wrong.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe this was an avoidance pattern.
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Okay,
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you know,
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like,
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we're in the process of learning how to do this differently.
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SPEAKER_02: So just like, I'm giving myself a break around it.
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SPEAKER_02: And that actually calms the nervous system down.
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And I think it helps to be more open to the true intuitive
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guidance or data.
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SPEAKER_02: So I think there's less moments that are dressed up like intuition.
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SPEAKER_02: And actually, there is more.
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intuition um when when it comes to avoidance avoidance it's a
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bad word um go ahead
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no so you finish no i'm done yeah well something was coming up
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for me when you were
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talking about avoidance and the story of your friend and i also
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have been a little
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SPEAKER_00: bit changing my relationship with the avoidance because what is
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avoidance of course there is avoidance because there is
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discomfort of doing
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something but then there is also avoidance because maybe the
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rhythm and the speed
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SPEAKER_00: from the outside is so fast
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that it's actually not sustainable for you or not the right
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speed for you.
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SPEAKER_00: And so there's always this distinction,
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SPEAKER_00: okay,
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SPEAKER_00: like how do I,
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SPEAKER_00: in the world where things are moving so fast,
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I guess I do need to practice some avoidance to not let that
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speed get to me.
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SPEAKER_00: And also know that, you know, it's not like,
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SPEAKER_00: things get done or you get to the right places,
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SPEAKER_00: and I don't mean physical places,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever,
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SPEAKER_00: whole being places,
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SPEAKER_00: not because you're doing something fast,
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SPEAKER_00: but because you follow your energy,
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SPEAKER_00: your intuition,
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SPEAKER_00: all those things.
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SPEAKER_00: So avoidance might be good.
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SPEAKER_00: And
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SPEAKER_00: For example, I haven't been on LinkedIn for a long time.
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SPEAKER_00: And when you exchange on LinkedIn,
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SPEAKER_00: it's pretty fast because you send a message and the person,
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SPEAKER_00: if they can respond,
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SPEAKER_00: they do it and it's like the speed is very fast.
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But now what I do is I send emails mostly and I find myself
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like,
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I need to do more.
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SPEAKER_00: I need to be sending more.
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SPEAKER_00: But then it's like,
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SPEAKER_00: okay, no, this isn't.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm asking myself,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: if this,
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SPEAKER_00: my intuition is telling me that there is energy in this project,
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SPEAKER_00: I need to push it.
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SPEAKER_00: But no,
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I actually think that there's this kind of pressure that comes
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from outside that
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SPEAKER_00: makes me,
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SPEAKER_00: okay,
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SPEAKER_00: let's go for more,
41:30
SPEAKER_00: let's go for faster.
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Yeah,
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so you're really,
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again,
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describing this parsing mechanism that's part of this whole
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intuition and your nervous system response and i really
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resonate with the whole
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slowing down thing um sometimes when i'm about to get
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overwhelmed because so much
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has to be done so quickly i actually now started practicing i'm
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just gonna slow
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SPEAKER_02: down in this moment right now
41:56
SPEAKER_02: And there's something that happens.
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SPEAKER_02: It shifts things energetically.
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SPEAKER_02: What can I ask you?
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SPEAKER_02: Because this was actually my next question.
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What are some of your tools and skills other than the slowing
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down that you already
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SPEAKER_02: mentioned,
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SPEAKER_02: which sounds like a tool?
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What else do you do to help yourself self-regulate into a more
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receptive state
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SPEAKER_02: where intuition is more likely to be clearer or more apparent?
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SPEAKER_00: It's a question to both of us, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So do you have an answer?
42:33
SPEAKER_00: You never want to be the first one.
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SPEAKER_02: Well,
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I was posing it to Juna because she already started answering
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the question,
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SPEAKER_02: but she decided to punt the answer.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, let's start with Ira.
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SPEAKER_02: Um...
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well for me i think one of the most important i don't even like
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calling it a tool
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but okay let's call it a tool because it's it's for me it's
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more than just
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stuttering or like self-regulation it's the the working with
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the generators of
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SPEAKER_00: states so
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SPEAKER_00: The more I can regulate myself into more generative state,
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SPEAKER_00: the more I'm open to not simply receiving,
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but also to perceiving and being able to decipher these
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messages from within and
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SPEAKER_00: from the field.
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SPEAKER_00: And I would say just...
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SPEAKER_00: practice of paying attention.
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So mindfulness and like the things that was coming to me while
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I was listening to you.
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SPEAKER_00: It's when we talk about all this,
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like how to learn to discern whether it's avoidance or it's
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just like the time to
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SPEAKER_00: pause and to wait or things to be ready.
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SPEAKER_00: It's also, and it's like, again, it's not a tool.
44:31
It's more like the part of the inner work that is important to
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be able to listen to
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SPEAKER_00: all these voices and to discern within them.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: It's the exercise of trust.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: trust,
44:49
SPEAKER_00: again,
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SPEAKER_00: in this inner voice,
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SPEAKER_00: in myself,
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SPEAKER_00: in the field,
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SPEAKER_00: in the world,
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SPEAKER_00: like all that we discussed when we were talking about trust.
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SPEAKER_00: Because when there is this anxiety about the possible outcome,
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SPEAKER_00: At least I'm describing my experience.
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SPEAKER_00: The stakes are so high in my head,
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SPEAKER_00: whether I will be right or not,
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SPEAKER_00: whether I will get to this experience or that experience.
45:37
SPEAKER_00: So it's very difficult to discern within all of those voices because it's
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SPEAKER_00: imperative to find the right answer.
45:51
SPEAKER_00: And what is the right answer?
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SPEAKER_00: You're like,
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in this state for me is the answer that leads me to the
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circumstances that will
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SPEAKER_00: help me to avoid what I want to avoid.
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SPEAKER_00: Like the experience that I don't want to live.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: So, and for me, it's also like it's deliberate exercise.
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SPEAKER_00: What is your, so what are some of the ways?
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SPEAKER_00: In trusting that I will be able to sustain whatever experience that,
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SPEAKER_00: so it lowers down the stakes.
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SPEAKER_02: Lowers the stakes.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
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SPEAKER_02: And then how do you self-regulate?
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SPEAKER_02: What kind of methods do you use?
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SPEAKER_00: everything what we do,
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SPEAKER_00: all the self-regulation things,
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SPEAKER_00: the breathing,
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SPEAKER_00: the feeling,
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SPEAKER_00: the body,
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SPEAKER_00: just returning your attention to the here and now.
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SPEAKER_00: The range is infinite.
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SPEAKER_02: And what you choose in the moment depends on what?
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SPEAKER_00: I would say like in terms of self-regulation,
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SPEAKER_00: my mostly go-to is the body scan,
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SPEAKER_00: mindfulness of the body.
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SPEAKER_02: And then based on what the body is telling you, you'll choose the next.
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SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no, no.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not what voice.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just like I use it to become present.
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SPEAKER_00: Got it.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: That's all.
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SPEAKER_00: Like what signals I will be able to hear and discern when I'm present.
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SPEAKER_00: It depends on the circumstances.
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SPEAKER_00: But also, like I need to become present, as you said, and just...
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To regulate the nervous system to be able to trust that I will
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be able to sustain
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SPEAKER_00: what I've experienced that is coming.
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SPEAKER_00: To lower the stakes and then it's easy to discern the voices.
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SPEAKER_02: Cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Easier.
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SPEAKER_02: Easier, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yul?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I...
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well i was the kid on the head right like a year ago with
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connecting to the outside
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world world and nature and plants and basically i see them as a
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really powerful
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SPEAKER_00: co-regulation force that i wish i had had earlier because
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what we all of us um like the trees the plants we all have
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sentence we all have
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intelligence the plants and the trees have older much older
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intelligence than
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people do the difference between us is the speed right and so
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what do i do when i
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need to lower my speed um okay used to go for breathing and
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mindfulness um but then
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SPEAKER_00: I still do some of that,
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SPEAKER_00: but I'm at a stage where those other beings,
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SPEAKER_00: I turn to them for co-regulating me.
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SPEAKER_00: I wake up in the morning nowadays and I have those gardening experiments.
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SPEAKER_00: For example, I planted a lot of things, a lot of wildflowers.
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SPEAKER_00: some in the pots and some in the garden.
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SPEAKER_00: And I go there and basically now it's been two days,
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SPEAKER_00: so I know there isn't much there that you can see.
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The interesting thing is that as I start looking,
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I know I'm gonna see something.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't see anything,
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SPEAKER_00: then I still stay with it,
49:59
SPEAKER_00: then I start seeing one thing,
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SPEAKER_00: then I start seeing two,
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SPEAKER_00: three,
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SPEAKER_00: four,
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SPEAKER_00: And it's like, well, this is the process of slowing down, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't see anything because I was too fast.
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And now I'm seeing things that I didn't because I'm more into
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my senses and more into my body.
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And I was guided there by someone,
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something that is much better than me at slowing down.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is my favorite method nowadays.
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SPEAKER_00: I think if I didn't,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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maybe if all my family were to go on a trip or something and
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was to stay at home
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SPEAKER_00: alone,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
50:46
SPEAKER_00: because I still feel some pressure from my family.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, come on, staring at this thing for like an hour?
50:54
SPEAKER_00: Isn't it a little bit too much?
50:57
SPEAKER_00: I think I could honestly, like, spend the day just doing that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: and then or if I feel the pressure to make a decision,
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I know then I should take a time like half a day almost on
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going to dancing,
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SPEAKER_00: go into the woods where you don't really walk into the woods,
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SPEAKER_00: but you just like whatever,
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SPEAKER_00: explore,
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SPEAKER_00: take different paths.
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do nothing don't set any goals for when you come back where you
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go this is also a
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cool thing i love it you're you're describing the art of
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slowing down but also pace
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like we don't consider playing with the pace of ourselves and
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the pace of things
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SPEAKER_02: and like
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SPEAKER_02: Is this pace really necessary?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, those are really cool new questions that are in my field also.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's almost like it really shifts things so rapidly.
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Almost instantaneously,
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when I make the decision to slow down,
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suddenly the whole thing shifts.
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SPEAKER_02: Because it's almost like you're tuning into a different frequency, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Or a different... I don't know.
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I'm still exploring this,
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but that's what it sounds like you're describing,
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right,
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Yun?
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SPEAKER_00: I think I'm boring my slowing down.
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SPEAKER_00: I guess you can, exactly, you can name it in different ways.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Tuning to another frequency or,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
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like allowing forces to pull you into a different state or
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something like that,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess.
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SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
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SPEAKER_00: What are yours, Pauline?
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SPEAKER_02: Well,
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first in the first thing that I do in the morning or try to do
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in the morning
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SPEAKER_02: always just to set myself up for,
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SPEAKER_02: I think,
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SPEAKER_02: a different pace and a different reality is,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: self-regulation.
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SPEAKER_02: I do my PQ reps, but I also do some other like meditative exercises.
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embodiment um practices whether it's breathing or nowadays
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thanks to you you will i
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will focus on a tree if there's one around and i will focus on
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a bird but without
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direct eye contact these days i'm experimenting or i will zoom
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out and focus on the
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SPEAKER_02: ocean uh as well to see how can i co-regulate um with the elements in the
53:39
SPEAKER_02: environment
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SPEAKER_02: But for me,
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what works for me the fastest at this moment in time is more
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like a direct
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SPEAKER_02: embodiment thing.
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But I really have also been experimenting with this whole
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slowing down thing.
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SPEAKER_02: It's almost like a magic,
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SPEAKER_02: what Ira would say is magic,
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SPEAKER_02: because it makes no sense to my rational brain.
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Why would shift things so much so quickly and how reality could
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take on a totally
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SPEAKER_02: different form just because you slowed down intentionally?
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SPEAKER_02: What?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And actually,
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SPEAKER_02: funny enough,
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SPEAKER_02: the more I do these practices that all three of us are familiar with,
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SPEAKER_02: the more I do it,
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SPEAKER_02: the more it's available for me without even that much effort.
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but it certainly helps with the nervous system regulation so
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that I am in a more
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SPEAKER_02: receptive state.
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SPEAKER_02: I can tune in and at least have an opportunity to decipher,
54:43
SPEAKER_02: is this something that's coming up that's not maybe intuition,
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SPEAKER_02: but it's something else.
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SPEAKER_02: Feel into the field more.
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SPEAKER_02: Just be more available for...
54:58
SPEAKER_02: for that attunement process with like the higher intelligence of things.
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SPEAKER_02: So that's what I would say.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's cool when you slow down.
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SPEAKER_00: It's so cool to be in a slow space.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: It is.
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SPEAKER_02: So from you, I heard self-regulation, receive, perceive, decipher.
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SPEAKER_02: I like those three.
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SPEAKER_02: Discernment and exercise of trust.
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So that you could really attune to your inner voice and
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yourself and the field in
55:37
SPEAKER_02: the world more.
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SPEAKER_02: And for you,
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SPEAKER_02: Yule,
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SPEAKER_02: I heard connect to the outside world and nature and plants and powerful
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SPEAKER_02: co-regulation with those elements,
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SPEAKER_02: right?
55:52
And really playing with slowing down and accessing a different
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speed than maybe the
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SPEAKER_02: external world speed,
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SPEAKER_02: right?
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yeah does that than the human world speed the human world speed
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exactly exactly
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cool I'm thinking so if intuition is our most intelligent
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regulate or maybe I
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SPEAKER_02: should phrase it differently if it's
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if intuition is the most integrated intelligence then how do we
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design our lives to
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honor it what do you mean by the most integrated intelligence
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well from what you
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SPEAKER_02: described is you're accessing data
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That's not necessarily from that,
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from like your internal,
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maybe what your brain wants,
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right?
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SPEAKER_02: Or thinks or says about it,
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SPEAKER_02: what Julio also described,
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SPEAKER_02: like the mind has its own mind,
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SPEAKER_02: but you're actually able to tune into something different.
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beyond the brain uh and access intelligence even in your energy
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field ears how you
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described it right intelligence that that goes beyond the brain
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and and feels more
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expansive so and then for you it's it's also with the elements
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and with speed all
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SPEAKER_02: of that sounds like we're accessing
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more of our intelligence beyond what we usually associate with
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intelligence as
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being only a thing in the brain right just just tied to our
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thoughts and our
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feelings and and chemicals and interpretations so that's that's
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how it's showing up
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for me does that make sense yeah but it sounds like more that
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you're like it's
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It's one more kind of intelligence or wisdom that we have
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access to,
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may have access to.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
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SPEAKER_00: like something in the phrase,
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SPEAKER_00: the most integrated intelligence doesn't resonate with me,
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SPEAKER_00: at least.
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SPEAKER_02: But integrated because you're connecting to more than just your brain.
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So we're integrating the relational aspect,
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like what Yula was describing.
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SPEAKER_02: We're integrating the different sensations, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And what you're accessing and how you're accessing.
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SPEAKER_02: So that's kind of what I meant by that.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: It sounds like not so much integrated,
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SPEAKER_00: but more integrative,
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SPEAKER_00: because it integrates more data,
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SPEAKER_00: more sources of the wisdom and intelligence.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure, that could be a better use of that word.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I think to answer the question,
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SPEAKER_00: how do we honor it more,
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SPEAKER_00: it's like all what we have discussed already is the matter of,
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SPEAKER_00: again,
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SPEAKER_00: all kinds of self-regulation,
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SPEAKER_00: to learn to be in the moment,
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SPEAKER_00: to be present,
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SPEAKER_00: to slow down,
59:26
SPEAKER_00: to be attentive.
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SPEAKER_00: to all the signals around us and within us.
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It's just a matter of the constant exercise of paying attention
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to all kind of
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SPEAKER_00: details of our experience that presents in the body and outside the body,
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SPEAKER_00: and literally in the outside world.
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SPEAKER_00: And also, as I said before, the exercise of trust.
1:00:02
If we're coming from the rational mind and we're coming from
1:00:10
the patterns of,
1:00:11
SPEAKER_00: no,
1:00:12
we need to see the logical pain of arguments that leads to a
1:00:20
certain decision.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_00: So at a certain moment, we need to do this leap of faith.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_00: Okay, like, no, I will trust the other source of information.
1:00:34
And it also just the constant practice,
1:00:36
it's constant,
1:00:38
constant exercise of trust.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_00: So I guess...
1:00:50
SPEAKER_00: To add to that,
1:00:52
one of the most important components would be opening up to the
1:00:56
possibility that
1:00:58
SPEAKER_00: there is this wider intelligence and wisdom available to us.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_00: And opening up to the possibility of listening to it and hearing it.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:01:25
SPEAKER_00: Cool.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_00: Yul?
1:01:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, opening up, I think, is the way.
1:01:38
SPEAKER_00: Because it seems like there's so much intelligence around us
1:01:52
And it's now even the Western science has been catching up to
1:01:56
this intelligence
1:01:58
SPEAKER_00: that,
1:01:58
SPEAKER_00: well,
1:02:00
SPEAKER_00: look at that.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_00: The sea then came certain types of plants,
1:02:09
SPEAKER_00: like ferns,
1:02:10
SPEAKER_00: and then only developed other types of plants.
1:02:13
And then the animals,
1:02:15
they were all so successful at surviving in this world.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_00: And when the people came, this is what shaped our humanness, let's say.
1:02:29
SPEAKER_00: Because we got everything from that environment.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_00: We were new.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_00: So it's...
1:02:41
SPEAKER_00: And in that environment,
1:02:43
SPEAKER_00: we used to be very in tune and open to it,
1:02:47
SPEAKER_00: because,
1:02:48
SPEAKER_00: of course,
1:02:49
SPEAKER_00: our lives depend on being open to sensing stuff,
1:02:56
SPEAKER_00: basically to survive.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_00: But also because we were learning,
1:02:59
SPEAKER_00: I was like,
1:03:00
SPEAKER_00: okay,
1:03:01
SPEAKER_00: now let's look at the bear while you discuss the bear.
1:03:07
great example of um someone who according to anthropological um
1:03:12
evidence people
1:03:14
would look up to because there was a lot to learn from the bear
1:03:18
you know how the
1:03:19
bear survives how the bear eats how the bear behaves and then
1:03:23
um like the plants
1:03:25
back and forth we have um the taste receptors and let's say
1:03:31
like i really loved um
1:03:33
SPEAKER_00: The first time that I heard on some course,
1:03:40
SPEAKER_00: there were herbalists discussing teas and infusions,
1:03:44
SPEAKER_00: and they say it's like,
1:03:45
SPEAKER_00: okay,
1:03:46
SPEAKER_00: well,
1:03:46
SPEAKER_00: what is tea?
1:03:46
You can think about it as a way of this plant that's in that
1:03:52
infusion of talking to
1:03:54
you and getting this information across to you in a way that
1:04:00
both of you can
1:04:01
SPEAKER_00: understand and exchange.
1:04:03
And so,
1:04:03
okay,
1:04:04
so how about experimenting and not discounting all the sources
1:04:10
of information?
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SPEAKER_00: You,
1:04:12
SPEAKER_00: of course,
1:04:13
SPEAKER_00: being the source,
1:04:14
SPEAKER_00: and that requires opening the senses and listening to the body.
1:04:18
But then there are lots of sources of information that also
1:04:22
feed into what's going
1:04:24
SPEAKER_00: on into your intuition.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's opening up.
1:04:31
SPEAKER_00: And also creating some space in life for doing that.
1:04:36
SPEAKER_00: Because faster doesn't at all mean better.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_00: But also, ironically, faster is easier.
1:04:47
SPEAKER_00: Because then you just really flow with the modern human...
1:04:58
civilization that is moving really fast and has no clue where
1:05:03
it's moving towards.
1:05:05
SPEAKER_02: So you mean so faster is not necessarily better.
1:05:08
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
1:05:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:05:11
I thought just because I think you said faster is ironically
1:05:15
better,
1:05:15
but you meant not better.
1:05:18
SPEAKER_02: Makes sense.
1:05:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:05:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:05:24
SPEAKER_02: I resonate with everything that both of you have said.
1:05:26
SPEAKER_02: So openness, definitely trust, but also experimentation.
1:05:31
SPEAKER_02: I mean, and giving yourself permission to experiment.
1:05:35
SPEAKER_02: Like,
1:05:35
SPEAKER_02: really,
1:05:36
SPEAKER_02: I think that was a big one for me,
1:05:39
SPEAKER_02: to give myself permission to experiment,
1:05:42
SPEAKER_02: which by extension meant I'm no longer...
1:05:47
buying into the status quo of what I thought life should be or
1:05:52
how I thought I
1:05:53
SPEAKER_02: should live or how things are supposed to be done.
1:05:59
SPEAKER_02: Really, that was one of the biggest
1:06:04
SPEAKER_02: mechanisms that helped me to become more open,
1:06:07
SPEAKER_02: to become more curious,
1:06:09
SPEAKER_02: to be willing to experiment.
1:06:11
And that led to a lot of the things that are now in my field
1:06:16
that I have accessible to me that
1:06:20
facilitate the ability to design my life more from the space of
1:06:25
intuition and
1:06:25
really honor uh that that there are things beyond what the
1:06:30
brain knows and how i've
1:06:32
been conditioned right to see to see the world me in the world
1:06:37
and and how that
1:06:38
interaction is supposed to supposed to occur um so that's what
1:06:43
i would add um for
1:06:47
SPEAKER_02: myself for that one
1:06:49
SPEAKER_02: Last question.
1:06:51
SPEAKER_02: When we think of intuition,
1:06:53
SPEAKER_02: we usually think of it as a personal thing,
1:06:55
SPEAKER_02: although,
1:06:55
SPEAKER_02: Yule,
1:06:56
SPEAKER_02: you've brought in that co-regulative aspect with nature.
1:07:00
SPEAKER_02: But what about collective intuition?
1:07:02
SPEAKER_02: Can we reflect on that briefly?
1:07:05
Have you experienced like a group field that knows something
1:07:10
before any of the
1:07:11
SPEAKER_02: individuals actually know something?
1:07:18
SPEAKER_00: Well,
1:07:18
I think that this is at least partially what's all the signals
1:07:27
that we describe as
1:07:29
SPEAKER_00: the information that is coming from the field.
1:07:32
SPEAKER_00: So I think at least partially it's coming from this collective intuition.
1:07:41
SPEAKER_00: Like the collective knowledge,
1:07:44
SPEAKER_00: state case,
1:07:45
SPEAKER_00: you're like collective unconscious,
1:07:50
SPEAKER_00: consciousness,
1:07:51
SPEAKER_00: whatever.
1:07:51
SPEAKER_00: You're like at all level of consciousness.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_00: The thing is with the collective...
1:08:08
SPEAKER_00: intuition is that it's something that is in the air.
1:08:17
SPEAKER_00: But very often we because,
1:08:21
SPEAKER_00: again,
1:08:21
SPEAKER_00: because we don't have in our culture honoring these kind of signals.
1:08:30
SPEAKER_00: So the things are in the air, but we don't know what they are.
1:08:37
SPEAKER_00: So unless someone very wise,
1:08:41
SPEAKER_00: intelligent,
1:08:43
finds a rational explanation of what is going on and why we
1:08:48
need to pay attention
1:08:49
SPEAKER_00: to the signals,
1:08:50
SPEAKER_00: it just will have all the impact on our nervous systems.
1:08:57
SPEAKER_00: And more often than not, we don't know what is going on.
1:09:02
SPEAKER_00: So we,
1:09:03
I think we have access to it more through our individual
1:09:11
intuitions because we have
1:09:16
less awareness still of our interconnectedness as really like
1:09:24
as collective
1:09:24
SPEAKER_00: consciousness.
1:09:30
What was coming up for me when you were sharing is that there
1:09:32
really is a difference.
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SPEAKER_02: I think I'm now touching this difference a little bit more.
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There's really a difference between collective consciousness
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and collective intuition.
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And so that requires even more parsing because collective
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consciousness could be a
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SPEAKER_02: lot of the patterning and the,
1:09:52
SPEAKER_02: you know,
1:09:53
SPEAKER_02: the coping mechanisms,
1:09:54
SPEAKER_02: a lot of like kind of the hijacking of who we actually might be,
1:09:59
SPEAKER_02: right?
1:09:59
SPEAKER_02: The higher intelligence.
1:10:01
SPEAKER_02: But then the collective intuition, I think, is something else.
1:10:03
SPEAKER_02: It goes beyond all of that.
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And I think I want to make that a new practice to play with
1:10:11
tuning into those differences.
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That's just what was coming up for me as you were describing
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your experience with this.
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SPEAKER_02: Yul?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a question I haven't really thought much about.
1:10:26
SPEAKER_00: And the only conscious experience that I have of practicing meditation
1:10:34
SPEAKER_00: collective intuition together is improv.
1:10:38
SPEAKER_00: And this is like how we practice.
1:10:43
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, it takes really a lot of unconditioning.
1:10:54
SPEAKER_00: It's like you practice and your first instinct is to
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think that this is only your thing that's coming up or kind of
1:11:09
like not to go there
1:11:12
because you have an instinct or discounted yeah it's hard to
1:11:18
explain so probably
1:11:19
SPEAKER_00: i'm not gonna go there but it's fun when it works
1:11:23
SPEAKER_00: like the group intuition and the group mind,
1:11:26
SPEAKER_00: and when something happens on the stage,
1:11:29
SPEAKER_00: it happens a lot on the stage of experienced improvisers.
1:11:35
SPEAKER_00: For me, I'm still kind of a student, right?
1:11:39
SPEAKER_00: But when it happens in the student group, it's really cool.
1:11:45
SPEAKER_00: Ah, we have done it.
1:11:46
SPEAKER_00: And there's this,
1:11:50
SPEAKER_00: of course,
1:11:50
SPEAKER_00: there's this closeness then between the people because it's like,
1:11:55
SPEAKER_00: well,
1:11:56
SPEAKER_00: like we share things.
1:11:59
SPEAKER_02: I love what you brought up.
1:12:01
SPEAKER_02: I have to now like...
1:12:04
SPEAKER_02: Tune in and maybe we'll have another episode on this.
1:12:06
SPEAKER_02: But what are the distinctions between instinct and intuition?
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SPEAKER_02: Are they the same?
1:12:13
SPEAKER_02: Are they different?
1:12:14
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
1:12:15
SPEAKER_02: When you were describing, you used that word very quickly.
1:12:19
SPEAKER_02: Instinct, I was like, oh, wait.
1:12:21
SPEAKER_02: Instinct versus intuition.
1:12:24
SPEAKER_02: I feel like they're very different, but they can work together.
1:12:27
SPEAKER_02: It's an interesting one.
1:12:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:12:30
SPEAKER_02: Thanks for sharing.
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Okay,
1:12:35
I think that in the interest of time,
1:12:39
we should start wrapping things up.
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And I just want to take a moment and check in with you both and
1:12:46
see what's arising
1:12:49
SPEAKER_02: after this conversation,
1:12:50
SPEAKER_02: this time we've spent together.
1:12:52
Any thoughts,
1:12:54
sensations that you want to leave us and whoever's listening to
1:12:59
us with?
1:13:07
SPEAKER_00: I'm hooked up on the collective intuition thing.
1:13:19
SPEAKER_00: I want to tune in more into what's in the field for it.
1:13:27
Your distinction between collective consciousness and
1:13:31
collective intuition is something that
1:13:35
SPEAKER_00: Well, it requires more tuning in.
1:13:38
SPEAKER_00: It might be an interesting reflection.
1:13:44
SPEAKER_00: I think for me,
1:13:45
SPEAKER_00: I just want to end up with a realization that I'm now having that kind of
1:13:57
SPEAKER_00: practicing,
1:13:59
SPEAKER_00: acknowledging,
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SPEAKER_00: and flowing with the intuition
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has been saving a lot of energy for me because usually there is
1:14:16
you know when you
1:14:17
build up the walls between your intuition and the brain there
1:14:26
is so much conflict
1:14:28
SPEAKER_00: going on and just constant energy expenditure
1:14:35
through a lot of tension and negotiation things like that and
1:14:41
it's not to say it's
1:14:42
easy to start flowing with your intuition because as we
1:14:46
discussed sometimes it's
1:14:47
scary and it feels wrong so like it's something to be
1:14:53
experimented with but then
1:14:54
SPEAKER_00: when it starts to happen i think it feels very light i don't know
1:15:02
SPEAKER_02: I love that perspective about the whole energy expenditure.
1:15:06
SPEAKER_02: It's so true.
1:15:07
SPEAKER_02: I can, I really resonate with that.
1:15:09
SPEAKER_02: It actually, it seems counterintuitive.
1:15:11
SPEAKER_02: Um,
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SPEAKER_02: Because trusting more requires kind of like jumping off a cliff almost.
1:15:22
SPEAKER_02: But in reality, it actually does require less energy to be in that state.
1:15:28
SPEAKER_02: And maybe because there are some flow elements to it as well.
1:15:32
SPEAKER_02: Then the holding on to like that,
1:15:35
SPEAKER_02: the more of the fear and the,
1:15:37
SPEAKER_02: you know,
1:15:37
SPEAKER_02: like the contractive elements of
1:15:40
when we're not in a state of being receptive and open and
1:15:45
flowing and intuitive,
1:15:46
right?
1:15:47
SPEAKER_02: And like living in that way.
1:15:48
SPEAKER_02: Um,
1:15:50
SPEAKER_02: And for me,
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I'm also super curious right now to start tuning into the whole
1:15:55
collective aspect,
1:15:56
SPEAKER_02: just like what you said,
1:15:57
SPEAKER_02: Ir.
1:15:58
SPEAKER_02: Collective intuition.
1:16:01
SPEAKER_02: And I think that instinct plays a role in collective intuition.
1:16:09
SPEAKER_02: Something is like jiving for me around those aspects.
1:16:14
SPEAKER_02: So it's something new to experiment and play with.
1:16:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:16:20
SPEAKER_02: And I yeah,
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I just want to I want to have more more generative
1:16:24
conversations around all of
1:16:26
SPEAKER_02: this.
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I feel like we're only touching like the very tip of of this of
1:16:31
this big,
1:16:32
big,
1:16:32
huge topic.
1:16:35
I want to offer for us and also the listeners to maybe try some
1:16:40
some things this
1:16:41
SPEAKER_02: week or over the next few weeks,
1:16:43
SPEAKER_02: maybe try.
1:16:45
SPEAKER_02: slowing down,
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see what is it like when you slow down instead of doing things
1:16:52
very quickly or at a
1:16:54
SPEAKER_02: pace you're used to,
1:16:55
SPEAKER_02: see what that does to your nervous system,
1:16:56
how does that potentially shift the field for you or your
1:17:01
ability to attune or pick
1:17:05
SPEAKER_02: up on more of what's available.
1:17:08
Maybe journal about that experience so that you can actually
1:17:12
ground it more and
1:17:13
SPEAKER_02: have more awareness about it.
1:17:16
SPEAKER_02: Maybe even try some micro decisions.
1:17:19
SPEAKER_02: What is it like to make micro decisions?
1:17:23
SPEAKER_02: That could be part of like playing with the whole speed of things.
1:17:27
SPEAKER_02: Do the two of you have something as an idea for a bit of practice?
1:17:38
SPEAKER_00: Nope.
1:17:41
SPEAKER_00: Just get outside.
1:17:43
SPEAKER_00: Get outside without an agenda.
1:17:44
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
1:17:46
SPEAKER_02: Get lost in the forest.
1:17:48
SPEAKER_02: Practice for us or practice for our listeners?
1:17:52
SPEAKER_02: For all of us.
1:17:53
SPEAKER_02: Us and our listeners.
1:17:55
SPEAKER_02: We're in this experiment together.
1:17:57
SPEAKER_00: One of the exercises I always give in my creativity courses is
1:18:08
SPEAKER_00: And not only in creativity courses,
1:18:11
SPEAKER_00: but it might be seen as an exercise of imagination,
1:18:19
but it's actually about opening up to the challenges of the
1:18:26
world outside oneself.
1:18:28
SPEAKER_00: Just imagine that the world is talking to you.
1:18:32
SPEAKER_00: ask whatever question you need the answer for.
1:18:35
SPEAKER_00: And as Yulia described, look for the answers outside.
1:18:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love that.
1:18:42
SPEAKER_02: That's a good one.
1:18:43
SPEAKER_02: And also actually Yulia,
1:18:47
SPEAKER_02: the conversations you and I have had before,
1:18:49
the feeling into which road to take and maybe not taking the
1:18:53
same road you're
1:18:54
SPEAKER_02: usually taking,
1:18:55
SPEAKER_02: that could be also a really cool little micro experiment,
1:18:59
SPEAKER_02: right?
1:18:59
SPEAKER_02: To see what is it like?
1:19:01
SPEAKER_02: both to make a different type of decision that's not out of habit,
1:19:05
SPEAKER_02: but also to try something new,
1:19:07
SPEAKER_02: right?
1:19:07
SPEAKER_02: To be open, to see which road calls you.
1:19:12
SPEAKER_02: All of these little,
1:19:14
SPEAKER_02: I think,
1:19:14
SPEAKER_02: exercises can help as we play and explore with all of these topics,
1:19:19
SPEAKER_02: right?
1:19:21
SPEAKER_02: So intuition is not necessarily something we have to build,
1:19:25
SPEAKER_02: but it sounds like it's more something we uncover by removing the noise.
1:19:30
SPEAKER_02: The more we slow it down,
1:19:31
SPEAKER_02: the more we regulate,
1:19:33
SPEAKER_02: the more we get curious,
1:19:35
SPEAKER_02: the more that system,
1:19:39
SPEAKER_02: that process can speak to us,
1:19:42
SPEAKER_02: so to speak.
1:19:44
And we'd love to hear from the listeners about their intuitive
1:19:47
stories and what
1:19:48
awakened for you today from having this time with us in this
1:19:52
conversation.
1:19:55
SPEAKER_02: So until next time, play, experiment, stay open, connect with us.
1:20:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:20:04
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
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