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Ep 15 – Sex-Ed, Kinks, and Being Open-Minded: A Conversation with My Vanilla Mom · The Kink Consultant

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  It's the King Consultant Podcast where we're turning up the heat
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  on all things kink and dating, relationships and pop culture.
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  So close the door, plug in your headphones, and let's get down
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  to it. Hello and welcome to this week's
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  episode of the King Consultant Podcast.
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  I am joined in person by possibly the most special guest
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  we're ever going to have. This is my mother, Angela.
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  Hello. Welcome to the King Consultant
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  podcast. Well, thank you for inviting me.
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  Forcing you to be. Here.
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  I didn't want to be booed about it, but yeah.
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  So there's a couple of reasons I wanted to bring you on.
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  Number one, you are a huge influence and I think why I'm so
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  open minded. I've done videos about how your
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  sex Ed when I was a kid was very much like condoms in the pill
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  and it was not shaming about sex.
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  In a large part you are possibly the reason and I have no problem
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  getting on the Internet and talking about my sex life.
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  How does that make you feel? I was only.
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  Doing what I just thought was right as a mother, you.
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  Didn't have big aspirations of your daughter talking publicly
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  about her own sex life. You know, because I didn't think
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  that far ahead. I just thought when you were a
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  teenager, I just wanted you to know what your options were.
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  And there was no shame how much you did.
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  And you could come to your mother anytime you wanted to
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  feel comfortable telling me what was going on in your life.
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  I love that. OK, for context, let's give some
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  history. Not our history like you are
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  history. Where were you born?
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  I was born in Sligo in Ireland in 1962.
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  So you grew up in 60s and 70s Ireland, yes.
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  What was the sex education you got?
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  Zilch, I went to well, it was an all girls school, which it was
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  all the time in and that stage there was number mixed schools.
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  So you were taught by nuns and a nun giving you sex education.
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  I mean, what do they know about it?
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  I was gonna say sure, nothing, absolutely nothing.
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  I think it must have been about 12 or 13 when they just passed
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  through the whole thing and the girls that I was with were just
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  laughing. But just remember we were all
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  thinking what that and we were just laughing and skitting
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  because one thing we were kind of embarrassed because we had
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  never talked to anyone about sex.
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  They'd never, you know, what sex was.
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  I did because it was more of a skit thing with friends on what,
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  you know, when you're talking to your friends and like, this is
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  what you do. Can you imagine doing this, You
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  know? But at 13, living in Ireland,
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  there was nobody that had sex. There was no TV.
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  The pill wasn't even there. I remember when the pill was
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  first introduced in Ireland. Yeah, I remember that.
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  Were people going nuts because it was a really Catholic
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  country? Wasn't.
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  It Oh yeah, but it was a kind of a taboo thing.
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  It wouldn't talk about it, but you'd overhear conversations
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  about it, you know, adults talking about it.
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  Yeah. Because when you're my age, at
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  that age, the adults would come in, the neighbors would come in,
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  The women and the kids were always shoved out, and they
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  would be talking. Of course, I was nosy when I'd
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  be under the window listening to see what.
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  People were saying it was nosy like that too.
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  Yeah. So this is where I get it from.
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  Probably I would listen to what they were saying, didn't always
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  get what they were talking about, but it was mostly just
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  gossip and stuff. And I remember when the pill
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  came up and it was kind of shocked that this was going to
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  be introduced. But then at the end of the day,
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  people were delighted it was coming.
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  Women more anyway. So that's my first introduction.
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  And you come from a big family too, right?
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  But. Most people did at that time.
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  So it wasn't abnormal to have a big family.
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  How many children were there? There were six kids.
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  And was that a normal size? Yeah, Irish family in the 60s
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  and 70s it. Was kids I knew a family that
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  was 13 of them, Yeah. Wow, yeah, okay, 13.
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  Kids. I knew a family that the mother
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  and the daughter were pregnant at the same time.
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  My God neighbor. I guess that happens now too,
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  but not. But not that was just normal.
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  Had kids when you're 20 and the mother could be pregnant at the
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  same time, so. Thank you for answering all of
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  those questions. So like, I think that it was
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  amazing that someone who grew up in Ireland and moved to the
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  States when they were 20 had so much, I don't know, such an open
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  mind about it all and just always said condoms in the pill.
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  Yeah, but I moved to England for a while.
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  Oh, did England change things? Oh.
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  England was totally different. Yeah, it's a totally different.
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  Well, I was very naive. So I was in England from five
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  years, I believe. So you went into a school where
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  it was a mixed school, so I was always kind of shy and shocked
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  on what people said to the teachers and what they said to
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  each other, so. Were they sexy things like sex?
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  Not always, but they were a lot more open than they were.
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  Coming from Ireland, they were, Oh yeah, way more open on
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  things. That makes sense.
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  So when I was 11, my mom moved me and my sisters to Ireland,
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  which was an interesting experience, one that I didn't
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  appreciate at the time, but I do know.
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  But I remember I was viewed as a very loudmouth person.
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  And it's sort of then you play into it because it's like if
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  someone expects you to be a certain way, I feel like at
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  least I was like, OK, I'll be the loudmouth.
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  You were the loudmouth because you stood up for justice for
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  people. I did.
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  I had always did. I was a curious and opinionated
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  person. I wanted people to know.
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  So when I had sex in Ireland when I was and I'd already had
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  an America, that's the thing, at 9 they told us what sex was in
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  school in America. I do know what.
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  Sex is you had sex at 12, no sex.
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  As I said, did I say sex? Oh my God.
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  I. Say, why are we here?
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  Oh my God, that's so funny. No, when I had sex out at 12, I
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  asked the teacher if you could have sex on your period.
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  She was visibly shocked. In fact, everyone was shocked.
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  But then afterwards people said that they were curious about
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  that too, so they were glad I was asked.
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  So I was a very so you sex in America at night OK, where they
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  taught me like all of OK, but they taught about the X&Y
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  chromosome. It was like it was a lot.
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  So I. Had to sign a thing for you to
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  learn about that and then. I went to Ireland and at 12 the
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  teacher, it wasn't nuns teaching us in primary school, I was in
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  6th grade. They taught us about more about
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  your period and stuff and it's weird because people were
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  already on their periods at that stage.
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  It was more about that than actual sex Ed, but they talked
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  about it. Ireland is a Catholic country
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  still. The school had to teach Catholic
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  doctrine. So they taught abstinence
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  throughout high school. There was actually a girl
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  pregnant in the back of the class during sex Ed.
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  And they were teaching abstinence.
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  And I didn't know that. But you know what they did make
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  us do? I think this is shocking.
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  They made us watch a video of an abortion.
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  Wow. And they didn't ask you about
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  that? And no one could leave.
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  And she was pregnant. That girl was pregnant in the
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  back there of class when they did that.
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  And like, I guess it was, you know, that was their propaganda
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  to make people against it. Ironically, now it is legal in
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  Ireland. It was illegal at the time, and
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  people were traveling to England for it.
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  And now it's legal there. And the United States is up in.
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  I mean, Roe V. Wade was overturned, and now you
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  can't get it past six weeks in a lot of states.
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  OK. I always say I was born kinky.
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  What does that mean? I just mean, I've always known I
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  was different. I'm wondering, well, do you know
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  what kink is? Well, I can't really, I say I
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  did know to the extent I know about it now, but I knew you
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  didn't. It was kind of like a taboo
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  subject and it kind of meant a bit at that time, too.
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  Kinky Mando, she's a bit weird. She's a bit funny, a bit off.
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  Yeah, so like it it wasn't to do with sex or did.
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  It no, not at that time. Not that I thought about it.
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  It wasn't like that. As I think I mentioned before,
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  the first thing I ever heard of kink was Kinky Boots, you know?
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  Which is about men who like to dress as women and they want big
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  size shoes. Now, that movie must have come
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  out in the late 70s or 80s, I would say.
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  So at that time, I mean, I think things were just starting up to,
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  you know, to be more. Open.
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  Open and people more were more accepting.
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  Like this stuff has already always existed, it's just no one
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  talked. About it.
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  Nobody talked about it. No, it wasn't.
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  It didn't enter my mind. They had no reason to enter my
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  mind. Yeah, because he was.
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  Weren't kinky? Are you kinky?
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  No, none of it. No, you're totally vanilla.
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  I would assume so, yes. Does it bother you?
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  I ask questions like this. No, because I'm so used to if
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  you asking me questions different things anyway.
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  I know. Expect them from.
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  I from me. Yeah, and then if I had?
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  Your other daughters. No, I would never talk to them
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  like this. None at all that.
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  I mean, if I ever had questions about relationships or sex and I
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  would ask you. Proof.
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  We are hearing it from the horse's mouth.
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  I tell people this and they don't believe me.
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  Like really? Yes, that I used to give you
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  advice. Exactly used to.
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  I think we always grew up closer.
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  I know we're mother daughter, but do you feel like we had more
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  of a friendship relationship than a mother daughter
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  relationship? I do because not because of me,
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  because of you, because you wanted it more that way.
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  You were more. You never called me Mom or Mammy
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  or anything like that. You always call me Ange.
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  I did. Well, it was a fight.
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  It was a battle. I remember when it first
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  started, I started calling you Andrew.
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  You're like, my name is Mom. And I just ignored that.
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  Yeah. So it was always kind of your
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  friends would even say, why do you call her?
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  And people still to this day are like, who's Ange?
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  I'm like, oh, my mom. I was not comfortable with the
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  power dynamic of you being a mother and me being a daughter.
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  So I was like, let's change this up.
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  I've always had power, so we'll get into that.
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  That did bother me. I feel like everyone's equal and
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  I didn't want a mother. I just felt like I'm smart and
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  in charge. Too be smart and you were.
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  You did have your opinions and everyone knew what your opinions
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  were, which was fine. I mean, I never stopped you
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  having. Your No, you didn't.
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  You were very encouraging of it. Always.
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  Yeah. I did give you advice, did you
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  take it? Probably not.
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  Why not? Now, to be honest with you, I
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  don't remember. I do remember I could talk to
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  you about stuff or relationships or when I got separated and I
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  started dating, or I could come to you and ask you questions
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  about and you'd give me a straight answer or whatever.
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  But I just felt first client. Yeah, God, you didn't charge me.
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  I just felt that it was just easier to talk to you about
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  these things you don't have. You have a certain people you
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  can talk to and you find easy to talk.
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  Yeah, I could talk to you about that.
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  And that was always. Always I was the easier one to
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  talk to on stuff like that. Was there stuff that, well then
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  I'm not going to talk about my other girls.
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  But there's different things you can talk to different.
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  So I did put out on Instagram that I was going to do this
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  interview and I did put out questions and we did get one
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  from your favorite daughter. And her question was, do you
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  have a favorite daughter or who is your favorite daughter?
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  But we already know, as I said. I keep telling and every mother
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  would be the same. You don't have a favorite child
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  unless one child really goes off the walls.
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  Oh, then they'd. Be the least.
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  Favorite. No, it's not that.
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  It's you all. You have your children, you
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  nurture your children. And for me, I can discuss and
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  have closeness with my three daughters that I'd have one with
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  you. With all of us or differently?
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  Do you have a favorite? Cuz I have best friends, I have
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  friends and I have best friends. Do you have a best friend
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  daughter? No, I don't have.
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  A Are you lying? I just said to you, you have
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  best friends. Or when I can discuss with one
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  daughter that I can't discuss with another daughter.
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  So I'm all your best friends. I'm.
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  Close to all of you in different ways.
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  OK, take that favorite daughter we all know.
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  Who your favorite is when I tell you, OK, like we won't say
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  names, but so I'm the eldest of three.
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  When I tell you the your favorite daughter reached out,
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  who are we referring to? The youngest in the middle.
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  What to see you got? No, no, no.
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  No, the youngest, my youngest one, talks to me every day.
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  She is not only that, she, because I live in Ireland, you
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  live here and whatever she checks on me every day.
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  I live on my own. So she checks where I am.
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  What I do, she's setting herself up to be the caretaker.
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  Well, I won't need caretaker. OK, but you won't.
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  I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get her to move to Vegas and she
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  is not into it. OK, so I say I was born kinky.
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  Did you know that I was? No.
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  Was I the weird 1 though? I I felt like a weirdo.
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  I've heard I was weird my whole life.
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  Like you must have known, I have a weird child.
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  No, you were not a weird child. Really.
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  No, not at all. And I didn't know about this.
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  I kind of learned this as you told me stuff and I just took it
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  on board. I would say, well, I'm not
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  surprised at that. Why?
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  I think I wasn't surprised what that is because you were so
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  outgoing. You were so forward in your
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  thinking. Girls your age did not think
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  like you. Yes, I knew that you were more
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  forwarded and more. You asked more questions.
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  Even than your other daughters. Oh yeah.
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  Wow. Yeah, OK.
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  That must have been really annoying.
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  It wasn't because you were my oldest.
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  I didn't know what to. Expect from you.
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  So you're like, oh, so I the others seemed easier.
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  You're like, oh, they don't all do.
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  Maybe it wasn't easier, but I expected it along the line.
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  Yeah. You know, So if that was the
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  only reason that when you told me on stuff you how you were
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  living your life. When you say that, what do you
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  mean how I was living my life? Be honest.
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  Well, when you first came to America, you worked in the job.
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  I I thought you were a Hostess in a restaurant for the longest
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  time. And then you actually told me
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  what you you did. I don't think I acted shocked.
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  No. So for anyone who hasn't
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  listened to all of the other episodes, I was a dominatrix in
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  a dungeon in New York City. I was moonlighting.
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  Is that like I had a job at the Wall Street Journal and then to
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  make more money, I went there and did that.
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  And I told you, and to her credit, you didn't say anything
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  wrong with that. There was nothing wrong with
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  that for you. No, I mean, I was kind of.
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  Yeah, you can be shocked. That's a shocking thing.
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  And then I had to process it. I think everyone processed
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  things, but I never let you know that I didn't think it was a
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  proper job or it wasn't. It was a bitch.
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  That's OK, my friends, that you know.
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  Luckily, you didn't have to. Years later, I sat down and
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  recorded a podcast and told a bunch of people myself.
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  You did. And in my thing, you here you
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  are starting your business. I tell my friends.
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  Oh, yeah. Listen.
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  Oh, yeah. You know, I have some friends.
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  Well, people I work or whatever they say.
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  Oh yeah, you got to listen to my daughter and the feedback I get
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  back back from them and saying, Oh my God, they gave me a voice.
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  I know I can do this. Or you're, you know, Amanda gave
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  me great advice today and give it to me.
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  Honestly, people have said this to me.
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  That's and another funny thing I would say to people like, Oh, my
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  daughter's a kink. And so I'm really into kink, you
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  know, way and I'm just shocked. I'm shocked because I didn't.
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  Well, first of all, it wouldn't have been a thing I would have
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  really talked about beforehand until but it's it was, I was
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  amazed and how many people do listen to you and they always
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  say, God, you're so cool listening.
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  I says, well, I don't listen to them all anymore.
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  There's some things I just don't need to know.
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  But there are things you I recognize that.
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  So this week and I really appreciate you being so
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  encouraging. I thought it was so funny.
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  One of the reasons that I was like, I need to have her on the
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  podcast was this week we were watching Land Man.
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  And in it the 17 year old girl tells her dad that she's like, I
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  have this sex rule. He's like, I don't want to ask,
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  but what is it? And a rule was he can't come in
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  me, but he can come anywhere on me.
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  And I looked at you and I said, Can you imagine if I said that
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  to you at 17? And you looked at me and you
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  said, and I don't want to know now, Mandy, which I well, I
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  think was the first time I realized I was like, they have
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  oversharing with my mother. Do you think I overshare?
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  No, not anymore, because you share with your audience and
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  stuff like that. If I want to listen at this and
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  but most of the time now I just. Don't.
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  Listen, I don't listen because I don't need the whole not the
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  shine. I don't need to know your whole
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  sex life or what you're doing or.
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  You don't. No, no, I'm kidding.
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  So I told you in August or September about my work at the
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  dungeon, and I came home that Christmas and what did you do?
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  That was the first time I saw you since I told you I was about
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  Matrix. I don't remember what I did.
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  You don't. So every year you set up a
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  Christmas village on the back of the baby grand piano and when I
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  got home, when I put my bags down, you said please come look
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  at the village and what had you done?
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  I had put in a red light just for you.
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  And to feel comfortable in one of the little houses, you would
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  put in a little red light. And that was oh.
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  No, there was a few of them. I was being, I felt that that
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  was so accepting and really cute.
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  I love that story. It's such a good memory I have
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  of like the village was being represented.
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  And do you remember what happened the year after when it
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  wasn't there? No, I said to you because.
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  That was the red lights broke. I told you the council shut.
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  Good times, I know. And then I I retired from my
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  actual work as a dominatrix and I had told you this and you
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  know, now I was not having sex with clients.
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  Yeah, but you told me that at that time.
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  Too. Yeah, we have some questions
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  from the audience. We're getting into them and you
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  don't have to answer any of them, but we're going to go
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  through them. What advice would you give other
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  parents who struggle accepting their adult kids kinks?
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  My advice is there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
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  You're not going to, they're mine, they're going to do it.
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  So you either just have to embrace it, which I suggest
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  everyone does embrace what their children do, unless it's murder
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  somebody, of course, but. We draw the line at murder.
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  Well, we draw the line a lot of things, but if this is what
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  they're into, this is what makes them happy, they're safe.
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  Every parents thing is their first, like even with you, Oh my
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  God, are they safe? Is this a dangerous thing
• 17:10
  they're in? And once they're safe and
• 17:12
  they're happy, just let them do what they have to do that.
• 17:15
  Is such great advice. Yeah, I like it.
• 17:18
  OK. I'm not surprised.
• 17:19
  Lots of people saying how beautiful you are, how you have
• 17:22
  great skin, how young you look. Yeah.
• 17:25
  I'll take all compliments, yeah. One question that I hate, but
• 17:28
  I'm asking it anyways. Did she not spank you enough as
• 17:31
  a child? And I think that's a joke.
• 17:33
  But I do have a question. You know that my favorite kink
• 17:36
  is spanking. Told my mom last year.
• 17:38
  I told you that last year. Like, I was at a spanking.
• 17:41
  Yeah, I'm going to another one next month.
• 17:43
  And you laughed so hard. And I was like, Oh, yeah, this
• 17:47
  this is one of those times I'm too open.
• 17:49
  Did you? Well, you were English, so you
• 17:51
  used the word smack. I remember that.
• 17:52
  But did you smack me as a child? Yes, I when you did get smacked,
• 17:56
  but I remember it was just when you pass by, I would just hit
• 17:58
  you, pat you and you know, like it got to the stage when you
• 18:02
  knew there was something gonna come, you'd run past me.
• 18:04
  But no, I didn't. I never smacked you like
• 18:08
  anything other than, you know, maybe a clip around the.
• 18:10
  Spot. Yeah, OK.
• 18:11
  Spot. Exactly.
• 18:12
  OK all right, so there we have it.
• 18:14
  So it's definitely not from my childhood because a lot of
• 18:16
  people say it's from trauma and I always argue that for some
• 18:19
  people it's trauma and then for other people I, as I say about
• 18:23
  myself, I was born that way. Oh, how did your mom get so
• 18:26
  great? As in open minded and
• 18:28
  appreciative and loving. I think it was just my nature.
• 18:31
  I'd agree with that. That is your nature.
• 18:32
  There's four questions from the same person here.
• 18:35
  I'm going to say them out loud, but we don't have to answer any
• 18:37
  of them. What's your biggest kinks and
• 18:39
  fetishes? Are you a Dom or a sub?
• 18:42
  Have you ever been with a woman? Do you like younger guys?
• 18:45
  What was the first question? It's your biggest kinks and
• 18:48
  fetish. I don't have one.
• 18:49
  No kinks and fetishes. So that means you're not a Dom
• 18:51
  or a sub, no? OK, to be honest with you, I
• 18:53
  don't even know which the Dom and the sub is.
• 18:55
  Oh, my gosh, you're not listening enough to my content.
• 18:58
  The Dom is the top, the one in charge who says you do this, and
• 19:02
  then the sub. And so Dom meaning dominant, sub
• 19:05
  meaning submissive. OK, All right.
• 19:06
  Do you like younger guys? I've never really dated younger
• 19:09
  guys. There was that guy that was 15
• 19:11
  years younger, right, Wasn't he? But I think that's a regular.
• 19:14
  Age, I don't think. Yeah, it could be, but it
• 19:16
  wasn't. In fact, they were younger or
• 19:18
  older. It was just how mature they were
• 19:20
  and how sensible they were. Yeah, so age is just a number.
• 19:23
  Age is definitely just a number. What if I came home dating
• 19:26
  someone older than you? I'd be jealous.
• 19:34
  I mean, the only thing that would worry me in such a way, it
• 19:38
  depends on how you're progressing with this person.
• 19:41
  It's if it's somebody we're going to live the rest of your
• 19:43
  life with. Yeah.
• 19:44
  I'd be more worried of the fact that he's older.
• 19:46
  Your life is going to stop when he gets older.
• 19:49
  If there's kids, there's nobody around.
• 19:52
  I'd be raising them alone. You'd be raising them alone and
• 19:54
  they would be without a father that can not that that's a bad
• 19:58
  thing. I raised my three kids on my
• 19:59
  own. But you worry about these things
• 20:01
  but for yourself. The only thing I would worry
• 20:03
  about is when you're with an older man and they're.
• 20:06
  Getting older and you're you're still young and vibrant, it can
• 20:10
  hinder in my opinion. But then again that's just to do
• 20:12
  with age. You know, age is just a number.
• 20:14
  It depends on the person. That makes a lot of sense.
• 20:17
  I mean, you can see if how old are you now, 3636.
• 20:20
  So you're talking about somebody who would be in their 60s.
• 20:23
  How fit is that person? What did they do?
• 20:25
  You know they're. Really fit.
• 20:28
  I am, but I work on that. Yeah, you know, so, but there's
• 20:31
  other people that can't walk steps, so it depends.
• 20:33
  Yeah. OK.
• 20:34
  So, but that could be any age. Yes, OK.
• 20:36
  That's. What I'm saying All right have
• 20:38
  you ever been with a woman? No.
• 20:39
  Have you ever wanted to be with a woman OK so you're straight
• 20:42
  and vanilla Yeah. OK, how does one keep open
• 20:46
  minded about these topics? For future reference, do you
• 20:48
  struggle to stay open minded because life even now is so
• 20:53
  different from 30 years ago? No, I don't struggle.
• 20:55
  I think it's easier now to be open minded.
• 20:58
  As long as you think to yourself, look, it's not going
• 21:00
  to affect me at the end of my day, yeah, let everyone do
• 21:03
  whatever they want. I don't care what they think or
• 21:05
  what they believe except the murder.
• 21:06
  OK, now some case. OK, let everyone do it tonight.
• 21:11
  It's not. As long as it's not going to
• 21:13
  affect my day, I don't care what they do or what they're.
• 21:16
  Very fair. Someone said that.
• 21:17
  I'm wonderful and I'm so grateful.
• 21:19
  A friend of mine said she that your daughter is wonderful and
• 21:22
  she's so grateful, and her question is how do you feel the
• 21:25
  world treats you differently as a woman now versus 20 or 30
• 21:29
  years ago? My personal opinion, I think
• 21:31
  women are treated a lot worse now really I do at the time, OK,
• 21:35
  you know, the woman stayed at home, had their kids and the
• 21:38
  husband went to work. That's how it was.
• 21:40
  And that to me was just how it was.
• 21:42
  Now I think, I think with the murders and women are more open
• 21:46
  minded, they can stick up for themselves more.
• 21:49
  But I do think there is a lot of.
• 21:51
  Abuse there is always affected with.
• 21:54
  I agree with that. So I do think women still have
• 21:57
  to be more careful. Women are still blamed for
• 22:00
  everything that happens in a relationship.
• 22:02
  They're looked from my opinion, they're looked upon as what was
• 22:06
  she doing? Did that happen to her?
• 22:08
  And I don't believe that's just in older people like myself.
• 22:12
  The thing that I think a lot of young people feel the same way.
• 22:15
  I listen to people at home talking about friends of theirs
• 22:19
  and I'm absolutely shocked. And how many many of them would
• 22:22
  think the woman is wrong and the the other person, the man in
• 22:25
  this case were right. And, you know, one particular
• 22:28
  case, somebody got divorced and they were out in the nightclub.
• 22:31
  And then a young girl in her 20s was she was out drinking it out
• 22:36
  with him. And I said, well, where was the
• 22:37
  husband? You know, where was, you know,
• 22:39
  and I was actually shocked that people, I still think that could
• 22:42
  be. So judgy.
• 22:43
  It's so judgy. I agree with that.
• 22:45
  I was on a date recently and this guy who had three different
• 22:49
  baby Mamas and he like wasn't staying around for them.
• 22:52
  And I said what the fuck is wrong with that guy?
• 22:54
  And he's like, well, the women are enabling him.
• 22:56
  And that date, he actually recently messaged me and asked
• 23:00
  like why I didn't want to date him anymore.
• 23:01
  I was like, well, that was one of the reasons you blamed the
• 23:04
  women for that. Each of those women did that
• 23:07
  once. He did that three separate
• 23:09
  times. And it's that imbalance that
• 23:11
  really bothers me about it. You're right, I agree.
• 23:14
  Think men have as much empathy and don't understand it to this
• 23:19
  day. I mean they got better.
• 23:20
  They got better in the time between my father and my
• 23:24
  ex-husband and you know, my brothers, how they treated their
• 23:28
  wives and children. It did get better, but it's
• 23:31
  still not there. And it's still not there as, as
• 23:34
  I said, I know young people that feel the same way.
• 23:36
  And I'm just shocked that they would still blame the girl
• 23:40
  because they went out and enjoyed themselves after the guy
• 23:43
  had done something wrong. Something wrong.
• 23:46
  So as if we're all supposed to just fall over and die when?
• 23:49
  Mom. Something ends.
• 23:51
  OK, that's a really good answer. It's a question for you about
• 23:54
  me. How much of A child brat were
• 23:57
  you? And do you think that informs
• 23:59
  anything about now? I think they're asking if I was
• 24:01
  a brat. No, you were not a brat.
• 24:03
  You were. You had your own opinion and you
• 24:05
  did your own thing. You didn't do anything wrong.
• 24:08
  You came home in the end of the evening.
• 24:10
  You lived your life to the fullest.
• 24:12
  I would have to say. Yeah, but it wasn't anything
• 24:15
  horrible. You weren't horrible to people.
• 24:16
  I did worry about you, obviously.
• 24:18
  Yeah, there was things. That you worry about everyone or
• 24:22
  what Were there things specifically you can say them?
• 24:24
  And school and stuff. There was a thing.
• 24:26
  I've been called down to the school how many times?
• 24:27
  About, I know, but you only called about me once you were
• 24:30
  actually. Called a lot.
• 24:32
  Yeah, it was called a lot, but yours was pretty major.
• 24:34
  Speaking about ice skit school and there was some self harm,
• 24:39
  yes, yeah. And that, yeah.
• 24:41
  And I had never even heard. That was tough on me too.
• 24:44
  That was a very tough. I did not think it.
• 24:46
  Would be easy, but that's. Yeah, I was there with you.
• 24:49
  I took you to the to the doctor's.
• 24:51
  I took you to appointments. I was a therapist.
• 24:53
  Yeah, I was there to help. I mean I know sometimes I would
• 24:55
  get mad and think why would you do this?
• 24:58
  But I understand it's a lot to process.
• 25:00
  It was a lot, and it wasn't the fear that you did something
• 25:02
  wrong, it was the fact that you were hurting yourself, which
• 25:05
  puts a parent, any parent in pain too, that you would feel
• 25:09
  the need to do that. Yeah.
• 25:11
  Do you know, there's actually a lot of people who grow up to be
• 25:14
  submissive, sexually submissive or kinky.
• 25:17
  They do self harm. So I think there's a link there.
• 25:19
  Not that I can speak to it intelligently, I just know that
• 25:22
  it is very common. But these are things that you
• 25:24
  definitely don't know about your teenager.
• 25:26
  And it wasn't, it wasn't a sexual thing.
• 25:28
  It was very much linked to the depression that I felt and just
• 25:31
  what gave me relief. But what I would give advice to
• 25:34
  parents when they go across this stuff, you need to talk to
• 25:38
  people about it. You need to for yourself to let
• 25:40
  people know and for other people to be aware.
• 25:43
  It does need to be addressed and but you have to be there for
• 25:47
  them. You can't.
• 25:47
  Yeah, and you were there for me in a major way earlier in the
• 25:50
  conversation. We talked about you like
• 25:53
  listening under a window. I remember you being called for
• 25:55
  one of your other daughters to the high school.
• 25:58
  I don't know what happened, but I do remember this.
• 26:01
  I remember you yelling at the principal because you said it's
• 26:05
  not even that you were defending one of your daughters.
• 26:06
  You were basically like annoyed that one of your daughters was
• 26:09
  kind of getting in trouble and they weren't letting you know.
• 26:10
  And you're like, I told you, if something happens, call me and
• 26:15
  I'll handle it. And I remember thinking like,
• 26:18
  you're not actually going to do anything, but you sound like
• 26:20
  you're abusive. And I just thought that was
• 26:22
  really funny because, you know, like, it sounds like they
• 26:24
  probably think now they're going to be scared to call you because
• 26:27
  they're scared for your daughter.
• 26:29
  What I was saying at that time, OK, you have a problem with my
• 26:32
  daughter at school, don't call me at the end when it's getting
• 26:35
  out of control for you. Call me at the beginning so I
• 26:37
  can actually see what is going on and be aware of it.
• 26:41
  Yeah, no, that's fair. That was not, you know, I
• 26:44
  couldn't do. Anything about anything, if
• 26:46
  nobody told me about it. But in all fairness, years
• 26:48
  later, when I was working somewhere, I met the secretary
• 26:51
  from your school. Yeah.
• 26:53
  And she came in and she said, hello, Mrs. Damaschke, I'm, you
• 26:56
  know, And I said, Oh, my God, I'm so sorry about the trouble
• 26:58
  my girls gave you that. She says, Oh, no, I loved it.
• 27:01
  I said. She said they were the best
• 27:03
  students. They made stuff.
• 27:05
  They just made my life a lot more fun in school.
• 27:09
  So we weren't bad kids. They were interesting.
• 27:12
  They were interesting and it wasn't anything you know, you
• 27:15
  have to be as a parent. You have to know what's going on
• 27:18
  in your tribe's life. Now.
• 27:19
  I didn't know about the kinky stuff but.
• 27:21
  Well, yeah, that's fair. But I wasn't doing any.
• 27:22
  I didn't. You weren't doing anything.
• 27:24
  I didn't do my original. Until I was 17, so I wasn't.
• 27:27
  I told you 18, but no. You didn't.
• 27:29
  You said 16 until you did say 16, and then I was like 1213,
• 27:34
  and I think you started to realize how close that was.
• 27:37
  Then you said 17 and then I was 17.
• 27:40
  Oh yeah, 'cause maybe I thought then, well, OK, be realistic
• 27:42
  about this stuff. A question has mom used any of
• 27:46
  your advice or recommendations in her own life?
• 27:49
  No, I don't think so. Do you find it easier to have
• 27:53
  influence or give advice as a friend or as a parent?
• 27:56
  I would say you listen more as a friend really, But in saying
• 28:03
  that, as a parent, you can't just come out and give your
• 28:07
  advice. You can't say, well, I think you
• 28:09
  should do this, I should do that.
• 28:11
  And if you notice, I never say that.
• 28:12
  No, you don't. I would say like, well, you
• 28:15
  know, if it was me, this is what I would do or this is how I
• 28:19
  handle things. So whether that's a parent or a
• 28:21
  friend, I would never upset or knowingly upset anyone by giving
• 28:26
  advice that they should take. And I think if you're a parent
• 28:31
  and it comes across that way, it is like your your mother's
• 28:34
  telling you this and you're not going to do what your mother's
• 28:36
  going to say. Yeah, I've you say it in a way
• 28:38
  you think about it like I do when somebody tells me
• 28:40
  something, I don't come straight out and answered.
• 28:43
  I think about it and think what's the best way of handling
• 28:46
  or saying this to a person that is not going to offend them and
• 28:49
  not give them the parent kind of vibe.
• 28:52
  That's a good point. All I can do is say to you like
• 28:55
  this is how I would have handled this situation.
• 28:59
  And also, I love when you say, when I say something or I have
• 29:02
  an emotion or reaction to something, you all say that's
• 29:05
  understandable. Like, you know, it's sort of
• 29:07
  like it's not. It's like, oh, I see where
• 29:09
  you're coming from. Good question, good answer.
• 29:11
  I think you give great advice. And the older I get and the more
• 29:14
  I tell you about what's happening in my life, what's
• 29:16
  happening in my friend's life, I'm always shocked at how astute
• 29:21
  you are, how you just submit up so quickly.
• 29:23
  You're like, I tell you, something happens.
• 29:25
  You give examples of like, oh, they're doing this and then
• 29:28
  their boyfriend's doing this. And I'm like, yes, how do you
• 29:30
  know? And you just know.
• 29:32
  Why do you think you're so good at that?
• 29:33
  I personally think it just comes from your intuitive to what
• 29:37
  people are saying. I think, honestly, I think it's
• 29:39
  a natural instinct, you know, to think from life experience,
• 29:43
  listening to other people and whatever you know, a lot of them
• 29:45
  is the same story. That's true, I think.
• 29:47
  It's the same story. It's happening to, it's
• 29:49
  happening to everyone, and the same thing is happening.
• 29:52
  I mean, it's just a different context and but it's always the
• 29:54
  same ending or the same. Yeah, scenario that started.
• 29:57
  It's like watching a soap opera. Oh yeah, That happened in Days
• 29:59
  of Our Lives last week or last year.
• 30:01
  And this is, you know, so it's just different people, same
• 30:03
  story. Had you ever heard stories like
• 30:05
  mine? Not the kink stuff, no.
• 30:08
  OK, good relationships. Relationships.
• 30:11
  It's very similar. OK, but did.
• 30:13
  Your child show signs of kink as a child.
• 30:17
  Not that I saw not OK, No, it's a lot of people who share the
• 30:21
  same kinks as I do. What I did, I enjoyed playing
• 30:24
  house and someone being disciplined or someone being
• 30:27
  tied up. That was I created games like
• 30:29
  that and that's a really common thing.
• 30:31
  Do you remember? No, I don't.
• 30:32
  OK. All right.
• 30:34
  Not that I played those games with you.
• 30:35
  The question I got from my friend, he thinks it's awesome
• 30:40
  that you're on the podcast and he wanted to know, what do you
• 30:43
  hope my next partner will be like?
• 30:46
  Gosh, the next partner I would like to for you and for I think
• 30:50
  most is somebody that's going to make you happy.
• 30:53
  Somebody's going to understand your way of life and is
• 30:57
  acceptable and accepting of what you do OK.
• 30:59
  But at the end of the day, that he's good to you and you're
• 31:02
  happy. Those are good answers, OK.
• 31:04
  But that's what every parent should want for their child.
• 31:06
  I agree. But a lot of parents want back
• 31:08
  in the day. I feel like a lot of answers
• 31:10
  would be like, I hope they're wealthy and spoil you, no.
• 31:13
  No, no. I hope someone is and spoils me.
• 31:16
  But sure, you do. But that's not to say you're
• 31:17
  going to be happy at the end of the day.
• 31:18
  You know that's. Me, somebody that I mean, I
• 31:21
  always thought I didn't care how much money I had as long as I
• 31:24
  was happy. Yeah, and I want those things
• 31:26
  for you. So my mom is single, as you
• 31:29
  know, she's vanilla and straight with this is what we've
• 31:32
  established. But she's very open minded and
• 31:34
  fun. Thank you.
• 31:36
  Yeah, I hope I am. Well, do you have any questions
• 31:38
  for me you. Answered a lot of questions when
• 31:40
  I did listen to your podcast, especially your first one and
• 31:43
  stuff like that. But no, I can see you, your
• 31:47
  strong mind. Did you have a goal?
• 31:48
  And like, yeah, and you want to reach that goal.
• 31:50
  And I hope you do reach it. And I don't have any questions
• 31:54
  for you. I just hope you reach what you
• 31:56
  want. That's so cute as.
• 31:58
  She knows she can tell me anything and I tell people about
• 32:01
  her thing jokingly too. I remember I had people in where
• 32:05
  I work and they were talking about how great their children
• 32:08
  were and they were doing this and this one was a lawyer and
• 32:10
  this one was open air business and all.
• 32:11
  And I just turned to my friend. I said do you think I should go
• 32:14
  up and tell them that my daughter is a kink?
• 32:16
  Just in case anyone needs help with anything.
• 32:19
  No, and I joke about it too. I joke about how I talk about my
• 32:22
  sex life on the Internet. Just be happy what you do and be
• 32:24
  successful. Yeah, just that.
• 32:27
  Just be successful, that's all if.
• 32:29
  That that's what I wish for. You.
• 32:31
  Yeah, that's what I want. But most of all, to be happy.
• 32:34
  Yeah, and I think I am happy. I think that like anytime, and I
• 32:37
  think this is true of everyone, anytime you are living your life
• 32:40
  authentically, happiness follows.
• 32:42
  I think so too and everyone has their ups and downs.
• 32:45
  Like life is not easy as everyone knows but.
• 32:47
  It's never easy, is it? It's never easy.
• 32:50
  Even when it's really good, when it's not.
• 32:52
  Good, Something will kick you in the face to bring you back down
• 32:55
  to reality and. And you keep moving.
• 32:57
  On and you keep moving on and you pick yourself up and go.
• 32:59
  I mean, I know what that sounds, but that is what you're doing.
• 33:02
  And I am so happy and so proud. Proud of you.
• 33:04
  I'm very proud of you. That's what I brought her on.
• 33:07
  I just brought it on so we could all hear it.
• 33:09
  My mom is proud of me. I do actually get a lot of
• 33:12
  people who are like, oh, why are you involving your mom in this?
• 33:15
  I kind of think we answered it. The relationship, I think it's
• 33:17
  also different because from the age of 12 onward, it was just
• 33:21
  all of us girls. Yeah, it was a different family
• 33:25
  unit. Just all girls all going
• 33:27
  through. Different things, but whoever
• 33:30
  said that why why you involving your mom in this is because I
• 33:33
  consider myself a good mom and I want to know that I am there if
• 33:37
  I'm helpful and that if there's anything my daughter wants to
• 33:41
  come and talk to me about, they can.
• 33:42
  So that involves telling me what they're doing in life.
• 33:45
  I don't need to hear it from a neighbor.
• 33:47
  I don't need to hear it from somebody else.
• 33:48
  That's how I want to hear it from her and I want to know
• 33:51
  what's going on in her life and if.
• 33:53
  There's anything particularly I will call you if anything
• 33:57
  particularly I think Shaw, I don't want you to hear it from a
• 34:00
  neighbor. Exactly.
• 34:01
  So I will just tell you directly.
• 34:02
  So you know, your sister did. My aunt found out about me
• 34:07
  through just coming across my Instagram page though.
• 34:10
  Did she ever say anything? No, she never did, but I did see
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  that that I had. It was very funny, I have to
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  say. But I like that.
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  Like my sister is very much like me.
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  Are there to be for their children.
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  I mean, I think we're very much like and stuff like that.
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  No, she's more than me. Involved in their children's
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  eyes, No. You really do let us just do our
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  own thing. Yeah, if you want to come and
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  talk to me, I am there. And like how to say I think most
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  parents should be. I don't judges, I just try and.
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  No, you never judge. And I think that's why none of
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  us are judgmental. Me and my sisters, not
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  judgmental people. And I think it's because you
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  taught us not to judge. I'm making myself out to be the
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  most wonderful mom in the world, but I really wasn't.
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  I'm not. Oh really?
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  What did you do wrong? Well, I think there's always
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  stuff you can do better. I think that too, but not about
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  you specifically. Yeah, but we've had our ups and
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  downs and things I would have done differently or.
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  Any that you actively wish you could have changed?
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  That's a good question, but I'm going to put down on you.
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  Is there things I could have done that would have changed
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  things for you? Did you think I could have done
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  better? No, nothing I actively think
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  about. I used to get really annoyed
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  when you would try it. It's so unfair.
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  It's like you'd try and be a mom.
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  I don't know why I still hold on to this, but like normal things
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  when you'd be like do your homework because I always did.
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  I never didn't do those things. So when you would tell me, I
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  just would get annoyed at you telling me.
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  But that's like good parenting. That was no.
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  It's just I wanted to make sure I didn't have to help you.
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  No, I was 14. There was no helping.
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  There was no helping. Me.
• 35:41
  No, no, no. There's no helping you guys.
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  I'm not the type of person who focuses on the past and what
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  could have been different. I really don't have anything
• 35:48
  like that. But is there anything you see in
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  the way I am in life now that you think you directly
• 35:54
  contributed? To No, I don't think I did.
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  And sometimes I used to think you didn't realize what I did
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  when I moved to to Ireland and that stuff.
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  You don't realize how much that was the right thing to do.
• 36:06
  Oh, I do no. No, no, I think no, you're
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  right. At 11, when all of my friends
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  were on AIM and like American chatting and going to In Sync
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  concerts and you moved us to like, it wasn't rural Ireland,
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  but it was a town of 8000 people at the time, which everyone
• 36:23
  knows. My graduating high school class
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  was 80 people. That's small.
• 36:27
  It's small for a lot. My American friends, when they
• 36:29
  tell me they're from a small town, I'm like, I think I'm from
• 36:31
  a smaller one. Yeah, it was.
• 36:34
  It was tough, but it had to be. I needed to do that.
• 36:37
  No, I understand for you, for you.
• 36:39
  Not that you guys did anything bad, but it needed to be done
• 36:43
  for you to survive and I have to say live the life you LED we.
• 36:47
  Did live a really good? Life, and I mean there was times
• 36:50
  I remember when you were doing your junior search or even
• 36:53
  search, I don't know which one, you went off to a concert up in
• 36:55
  Dublin for the night before. Do you remember that?
• 36:58
  Yeah, you know I'm saying. Thank you.
• 36:59
  Remember, I did, I went to see Metallica.
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  It was very important for me to go see Metallica and I did.
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  In hindsight, as an adult, of course I see it and I appreciate
• 37:07
  it a lot because I don't feel I missed out on anything that I
• 37:10
  couldn't catch up on. But when I moved back to the
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  States, it was a culture shock how different Ireland was.
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  Was it different? Did it make your life more
• 37:19
  worse? It didn't make.
• 37:20
  It worse, but it's hard to be the odd one out, I think, you
• 37:24
  know, So I was different and I've always felt different.
• 37:27
  I've always felt like a weirdo because of like various
• 37:30
  different things. I've always felt a little bit
• 37:31
  different. But then to move to Ireland and
• 37:33
  be the American girl, which actually worked?
• 37:35
  Really. Well, in very many scenarios I
• 37:38
  was gonna. Say I could, girl, but I just
• 37:40
  did. It was othering.
• 37:42
  It's like, oh, they're the Americans.
• 37:43
  I remember the teachers being in front of us and wondering like,
• 37:45
  oh, will our math be good enough?
• 37:47
  Because American schools are not known for their math.
• 37:51
  Math and saying that yes, I know they were saying American
• 37:54
  schools, but my God, you used to come on with stories and you
• 37:56
  would say we did this last year. You when you were in yes, sixth
• 38:00
  year, 6th class, which is 6th grade, 6th grade class in
• 38:03
  Ireland. You had the stuff you did in the
• 38:06
  6th grade in that school you had already done 2 years beforehand.
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  That's because my mom, dedicated to our Catholic education, made
• 38:13
  sure we were always in private school.
• 38:15
  I had Catholic. Teachings.
• 38:17
  Can you believe that Catholic upbringing?
• 38:18
  I mean, well, the Catholic Church and the teachings I got
• 38:21
  could directly contribute to some of this, but that's a story
• 38:24
  for another time. OK Thank you so much for coming
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  on. I appreciate you.
• 38:29
  I love you, and I'm proud of you.
• 38:31
  Oh. Well, thank you.
• 38:32
  And I'm the exactly the same with you Mend and you know that.
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  I know I do. I'm really lucky.
• 38:38
  All right. Thanks everyone.
• 38:39
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• 38:41
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