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112: Healing Trauma: Light, Love & Consciousness with Kelley Erickson · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

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directory@quantumbiologycollective.org hi, Kelly
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Erickson. Welcome back to the QVC podcast. It is
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so good to see you again.
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Kelly Erickson: Yes, good to see you as well, Meredith. Thank you
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for having me back.
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Meredith Oke: Oh, it's such a pleasure. I love following your
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journey. You do such a nice job of sharing on
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Instagram. You know, I think it's a real gift for
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people who are able to communicate that way
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because it reaches so many people. And you do,
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like, a really beautiful job.
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Kelly Erickson: Thank you very much.
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Meredith Oke: I love that. All right, so you have, like, a
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really incredible kind of healing story that is,
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as with everybody, ongoing. So let's start with
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the circadian piece and tell us sort of how you
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came to that and just a high level explanation of
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why it matters so, so much.
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Kelly Erickson: Sure. So when I began this journey, I had just
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gotten sober. I was trying to help my son with
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his health stuff, but I also had my own health
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issues. I had PTSD and cptsd. And so through the
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process of trying to get him back to a state of
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wellness, I also was working on myself and
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applied anything that I asked him to do. So we
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came across the quantum community and we were
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told about the ketogenic diet and sunlight. And
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so we began to implement it. And I saw rapid
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changes, not just in my son, but in myself as
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well. I really was just hoping to lose weight.
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Like that's what my goal was. I had no idea that
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what I was doing was going to have such a
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profound impact on me. I had nightmares. I had
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significant anxiety, depression, ruminating
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thoughts, intrusive thoughts. And so all of this
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began to shift, really what I felt really rapidly
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because I was over 40 years old and I had
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experienced this most of my life. So when I
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started to feel these changes, I wanted to know
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exactly what was going on. So I began to study. I
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followed some really important people on
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Instagram and in the quantum community and just
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began to absorb as much as I could. And I learned
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some really important things, things about our
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circadian timing system and how it's in
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relationship to our stress management system and
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our energy management system. So our circadian
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timing system consists of a master clock inside
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of our brain, and it's called the suprachiasmatic
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nucleus. And then we have these little peripheral
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clocks all throughout the body, and they need to
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be in sync with each other, in relationship with
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each other to communicate about time within the
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body. And this tells our hormones and, you know,
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all these different processes throughout the body
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what time of day they should be functioning. And
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so when we use sunlight and really key specific
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times of sunlight, we can help reset this system.
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And so immediately I saw improvements in my three
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sleep, improvements in my mood, but also because
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the. The circadian timing system is in
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relationship with the stress management system, I
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was also better able to regulate my moods and my
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emotions. My. I want to be careful how I say this
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because I don't want to give the wrong idea, but
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I just. I began to feel like a different person.
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And. And so through this, you know, the studying
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that I did, I discovered there's a lot taking
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place inside the body that requires light as a
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primary signal in order for it to function
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optimally.
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Meredith Oke: Okay, tell us. Tell us a little more about what
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you found.
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Kelly Erickson: Yeah, so, you know, when we. So my history, like
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I said, was PTSD and cptsd. And when we have a
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history of trauma, we. We know, we call it
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stress. Right? We have a massive amount of
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stress, and stress dysregulates the entire
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system. But more specifically, emotions
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dysregulate the entire system because we don't
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have. We're not really taught how to bring
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awareness to our emotions. We're not really
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taught about how our perception plays into our
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emotions or can kind of keep our emotions from
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being processed. And so when we don't understand,
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process primary emotions, or what I call core
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emotions, which are anger, shame, and fear, then
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we begin to navigate the world from our space of
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perception, or our feelings rather than our
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emotions. And our emotions and feelings are very
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different from each other. Feelings are emotions
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rather are. They're primal, they're instinctual,
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they arise immediately. And feelings are the
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meaning that we give to the emotions. Most people
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live in the state of feeling and their perception
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of what's going on, which keeps triggering the
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emotional response. And so this leads us to the
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nervous system and how we view the nervous system
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through the polyvagal theory. So the polyvagal
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theory tells us that we have three primary states
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of nervous system activation. So we have the
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fight response, we have the flight response, we
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have the freeze response. And then kind of
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collapse or fawn are in there as well. And so the
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fight response is associated with anger. That's
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the primary emotion that drives that response.
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Then we have fear, which drives the flight
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response, and we have freeze, which drives or
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shame, which drives the freeze response. And we
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have problems with nervous system regulation
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because we don't know how to navigate those three
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primary emotions. And so understanding that these
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emotions are core emotions. And emotions are
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energy in motion, right? And energy is
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information. So these emotions are designed to
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inform us about our environment, about our
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experience, but we're not using that information.
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We're living in a space of feeling, and that's
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perception. And our perception is developed from,
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you know, beginning stages of life. And it's
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largely personality driven. It has a lot to do
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with our unique experiences. And so we disconnect
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from emotions and we live primarily in feelings.
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And this, this creates a disconnect between the
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mind and the body because we need to understand
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where things are coming from and how our nervous
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system is becoming dysregulated. But these three
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primary emotions of anger, shame and fear, it's
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also what we call the ego, because the ego is
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this protective mechanism that is designed to
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keep us safe when we're navigating the world. But
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if we're stuck in these three primary emotions,
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we're essentially stuck in the ego. And this kind
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of takes us into the world of consciousness. And
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when we look at consciousness through David
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Hawkins scale of consciousness, right at the
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bottom of the scale we see shame. And there, you
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know, and so that's the freeze response again.
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And so if, you know, when we go out seeking a
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healing journey, there are so many places where
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we, we get kind of hung up. So like the first
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place people usually seek healing is through
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food. That's the most obvious, right? And then
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they'll see some improvements with changing their
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nutrition. And then maybe they add exercise. And
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from exercise they might, you know, add a little
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bit of meditation or a little bit of this. But
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still they're stuck. And what I get a lot of
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clients saying is that they feel like they lack
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purpose or that they're disconnected from their
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selves, but they are seemingly normal, everyday
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people. They can, you know, have jobs and do all
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of these things, but they're still very
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disconnected. And when I ask them about their
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emotional states or their primary nervous system
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states, they have a very difficult time
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identifying which states they live in and which
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emotions that they're primarily experiencing. And
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so we begin to use language as a tool to inform
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us about what we're experiencing. And I think
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there's a lot of language can be a tool or a
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weapon. And so developing discernment within
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language can be really Helpful in understanding
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not just what's happening with inside of us, but
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also what we're experiencing in the external
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world. And so shame. You know, shame is this
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really. This kind of takes us back to our last
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podcast together. Sorry if I am jumping around a
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little bit, but I was really wanting to explain
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this for anyone who may have listened to our last
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podcast together, because I really. I messed it
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up. I was on the verge of tears the entire time.
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I was so worried about getting all of the details
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right, and I didn't want to mess things up. And
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it's this kind of perfectionistic desire to
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control my image and kind of feeling like an
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imposter. And when we got off that call, I wanted
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to quit everything. I was like, that's it. I'm
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never showing my face again. I can't do this. I
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don't belong here. And it took me a couple of
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weeks to really understand what was happening.
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And I was actually listening to a podcast on
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homeschooling, and it occurred to me what was
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happening. So I view you as an authority in the
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field of quantum biology, and I didn't. I mean, I
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viewed myself as an authority within my own
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framework. But when I was coming to do the
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podcast with you, authority to authority, that
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kind of. It felt like confrontation in my nervous
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system. So I went into freeze mode and I could
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not think. Like, I just couldn't recall anything.
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I was. I was so confused. And so this led me back
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to the work I'd already been doing on
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consciousness. And I went back to David Hawkins
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book and where he discussed shame. And I was
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like, oh, that's what it was. I was experiencing
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shame in that moment because I viewed you as an
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authority. And when we have shame, it robs us of.
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Of our personal authority. It robs us of our own
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personal power. And I was like, oh, my gosh, this
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is what's happening. I was triggering my own
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shame based on my perceptions, based upon a
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narrative that I had developed early in childhood
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about my own self worth. And I was like, phew.
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Now. Oh, my goodness. It was so, you know, the
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universe, I think, gives us exactly what we need,
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exactly when we need it, but it's what we do with
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it that makes or breaks us. And so I could have
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gone into a hole and deleted my Instagram profile
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and never did the work again and never showed my
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face, but instead I was like, okay, I can do this
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now that I know what I'm working with. And even
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right now, my face is turning a little bit red.
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And that kind of indicates that I'm experiencing
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a little bit of shame, but I'm not afraid of it
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anymore. And because I can identify it and I know
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exactly what's happening, it doesn't overwhelm me
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in the same way that it did a year ago when we
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had that initial podcast. So then through, you
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know, all of the work and my studies on quantum
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biology and their circadian timing system, what I
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then discovered is that emotions and our
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experience of time are like in a marriage
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together. They're intimately linked up and we
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know, or you know, I, I mean, I think it's
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definitive that time and space are constructs of
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perception. They don't like reality isn't
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actually dependent upon them. And our mind is
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what creates time in order for us to make sense
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of the world. And when we have these emotional
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experiences, extremely overwhelming emotional
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experiences that we don't process, where we
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experience anger, shame, and fear, what we're
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doing is we're altering our perception of. Of
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time. And it's not just our perception of time,
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but it's actually we're messing with our timing
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mechanisms within the body. Because, like I said,
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that stress management system and the circadian
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timing system are in this bi directional
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relationship with each other. And so it's like,
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oh, my gosh, of course. It's all connected. It's
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all wanted.
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Meredith Oke: Oh, wow.
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Kelly Erickson: Yeah.
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Meredith Oke: And then we come right back, right back to the.
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To the circadian piece and how intentionally
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living within the natural cycles of that is
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regulating our nervous system on an emotional
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level.
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Kelly Erickson: Yes, Kelly.
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Meredith Oke: Wow. I love it. And I also want to acknowledge
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you and thank you for sharing about your
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emotional experience and that we, we communicated
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briefly about it in messages. But that is like,
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you know, first of all, thank you for being
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vulnerable enough and brave enough to share what
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your experience was and, and to keep going, you
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know, and it's just. It's funny. Like, there's a
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few things I want to say, right? It's like, it in
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my mind, I'm like, I'm just like a lady
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interviewing people, and I'm excited to hear
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people's stories, but I have had that feedback
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multiple times that people feel very nervous. And
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so I even. I had invited someone on the podcast
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and she didn't write back right away. And I was
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like, and I thought of you and I wrote her again.
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And I was like, I'm just really excited to hear
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your story. And here's what I'm thinking. We're
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going to talk about. It's just going to be fun,
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you know, and she Was like, oh, okay, thanks. I
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was really scared to book it.
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Kelly Erickson: Yeah.
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Meredith Oke: And. And I have the same. I have the same thing
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too. I went on a bunch of podcasts a couple years
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ago, and I wasn't planning to. I had to step in
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because I was, like, planning for someone else.
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They'd been booked and I was kind of planning for
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someone else to do it. So I did it. And I had
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that exact, like, every single time. I was like,
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oh, my God, what am I doing? I have no business
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doing. Yeah. And yeah, I often have people circle
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back and be like, I forgot to say this or I
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didn't say that. So it's interesting because I do
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think that this platform, the platform of
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podcasting, which is available to anybody if, you
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know, you and Lauren have a beautiful podcast
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going now. Like, it really is a personal growth
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opportunity in a way that I did not see coming.
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Kelly Erickson: Yes, it really is. And to look back at our. The
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first episode that Lauren and I recorded together
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versus this last episode that we just recorded
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with Morley Robbins, it's just a world of
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difference. And it's only been a year's time. I
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mean, granted, I am someone who does a lot of
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personal growth, you know, outside of these
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things, but you do. You are confronted with parts
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of yourself that maybe you don't get to
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experience in your regular day to day
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interactions. So. Yeah. Yeah. Vulnerable.
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Meredith Oke: Yeah. And yeah. The authority piece, the being in
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the spotlight piece, there's so many different
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pieces to it. Okay, so let's circle back to the
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circadian and the emotions. So I think this is
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really interesting, the difference between
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emotions and feelings. So if, if I'm walking and
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I realize, like, I'm at the edge of a cliff and
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I'm like. And I have that, like, rush of panic
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that I'm gonna fall off the edge of the cliff,
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and I step back. That's an emotion.
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Kelly Erickson: Yes, that's.
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Meredith Oke: And then, okay, so that's fear. And then if I
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start thinking like, oh, my God, Meredith, I
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can't believe you'd be so stupid as to walk near
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the edge of a cliff. And what, am I gonna die?
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And then if I die, what's gonna happen to my,
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like, those that. That have gone into feelings.
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Kelly Erickson: Yes. Yes.
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Meredith Oke: Okay.
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Kelly Erickson: Yes. And a lot of people, because they don't
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recognize the difference between the two, they
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will perpetuate the emotion. That feeling of fear
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with the narrative or that self talk that they
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keep doing with reliving. Reliving the feelings.
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So, like, keep saying to yourself, I'm so stupid,
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I can't believe I did that. And every time you do
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that, you're re triggering that fear response.
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And so your nervous system is just responding
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physiologically over and over and over again. And
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so a lot of the work that I do with clients is we
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start by mapping the nervous system. I have them
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write down several times a day their primary
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emotions, their primary behaviors, and their
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primary symptoms. And then we go back and we see
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what emotions, you know, I mean, I can look at it
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and see what emotions they're experiencing on a
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pretty regular basis. And then we dive into that
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narrative and where it was developed as a child.
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Like, where did you learn that you were unworthy
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or unlovable or whatever it is? Right. And just,
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you know, we know from the observer effect, just
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that process of observation begins to shift
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things pretty massively. And then it's the
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healing spiral. We're given opportunities to
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revisit each, you know, each emotion over and
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over again with a new level of awareness. And
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each time you bring a new level of awareness,
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you're observing it differently and you're
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shifting it again. And so we just keep repeating
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this pattern over and over again. And what we're
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doing is we're unburdening the heart. So we know
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from the HeartMath Institute, right, that there
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is heart brain coherence. And when they are out
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of sync, primarily due to, you know, these
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overwhelming, unprocessed emotions, we have a
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very chaotic toroidal field. And this toroidal
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field informs our relationship to other people.
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And so this is where we can get into, like,
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attachment wounds. And if you think about what is
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in what information is being sent out from your
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heart in that electromagnetic field that extends
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up to what, 12, 15ft from your body, what kind of
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information are you sending out to the people
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you're in relationship to? Is it one of fear? Is
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it one of anger? Is it one of shame? And then
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what is it attracting back to you in
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relationships? And so when I look at attachment
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wounds or attachment theory, that's really how I
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view it is from that heart brain coherence kind
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of field of information that we know about.
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Meredith Oke: So cool. So it's like the. There's like a chaos
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in our frequency, and that is what other people
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are sensing.
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Kelly Erickson: Yes. And then we're responding to theirs. Right?
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And so it's being sent out and then coming back
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to us. So, you know, it's this constant field of
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information informing our perception and our
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experience of where we sit within the world or
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within relationship to others. And so when we can
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work on Heart, brain coherence through
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unburdening some of these emotions and then using
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things like the HeartMath Institute app, and, you
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know, you can use that. You create this coherent
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field of information that goes out. You are
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operating from a space of love, and then you are
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informing your relationship to other people of
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love, and it begins to balance out that
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electromagnetic signal and feedback system that
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you're getting when you're in relationship to
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other people.
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Meredith Oke: So. Interesting.
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Kelly Erickson: Yeah.
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Meredith Oke: And that would probably affect, like, who you're.
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Who you choose to be around. I mean, I remember,
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you know, so we have a lot of common. A lot of
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things in common on our journey. And my husband,
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he said something to me one time. It was
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something. He's like, why do you always have to
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have, like, one totally crazy friend? And I was
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like, I don't know, but I always did. I was just
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somehow always attracted to an agent of chaos
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that I had to have. And there were other people,
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and they seemed who I could be friends with, but
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they seemed boring. And as I healed, I was like,
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oh, they're not boring. They're just not chaotic.
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Kelly Erickson: Right, right.
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Meredith Oke: And it totally shifted. And I no longer have any
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agents of chaos by choice. There's a few I'm
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related to, but, yeah, it does. So that's like a
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super interesting lens to, like, understand that
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behavior.
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Kelly Erickson: Yeah, yeah. And it changes our relationship with
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others in. In a more profound way as well. So
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when we look at these emotions from David
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Hawkins, scale of Consciousness, anger, shame,
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and fear sit below. Well, fear and shame really
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sit below what is called the frequency of truth.
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And it's when we begin to rise above those
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frequencies that we begin to seek truth. And it's
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truth in all manners. And love is the ultimate
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truth frequency, in my opinion. And so as we
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navigate up and we begin, we, you know, unburden
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the heart with each layer. We get closer and
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closer to the truth or to the frequency of love.
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And I believe that love, in the way that we
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understand it from society's perspective, it's
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really. It's. We're given the perception that
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love is very transactional. It's, I'm giving you
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love, I'm doing this out of love, et cetera. But
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I believe from my own personal experience that
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when we are the frequency of love, there is. It's
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not transactional at all. And we begin to see
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things like judgment or resentment or, you know,
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these other kind of filters through which we
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experience other humans, they begin to dissolve.
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And we can see other people through a much more
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unfiltered perception, I guess. So resentment and
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judgment would be filters that you are
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experiencing other people through. And so love,
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to me is much more about a frequency that we
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operate from. And then we begin to feed our
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relationships with this frequency, and it can
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help other people begin to balance out their
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instability, their chaos. It can inform their
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field of information. You know, we know through
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nervous system regulation work that we can help
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others regulate their nervous system. It's called
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co regulation. Right. And that's what a mother
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does with her child when she picks up her baby
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after it's hurt and it's hurt itself. We can do
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that also from the frequency of love. And we
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begin to bring stability into all of our
33:29
relationships. Now, this doesn't mean we control
33:33
other people and it's automatically going to fix
33:36
everything about them, but it does. It does
33:40
provide a platform of stability and coherence
33:44
rather than chaos and, you know, further
33:49
instability.
33:52
Meredith Oke: Yes. Beautiful. And then we, you know, if we are
33:58
creating that field or contributing to that field
34:01
of love and that becomes dominant, then we can
34:07
help to regulate others who. I mean, I guess you
34:12
probably have to be open to it to a certain
34:13
extent. Right. But just by being in that. And I'm
34:16
thinking now of like, recovery groups, you know,
34:19
places like Alcoholics Anonymous, where you have
34:22
that, like, container of acceptance. And it's so
34:28
not trans. The opposite of transactional. Right.
34:30
Is really vibrating at a frequency of love. And
34:33
someone comes in who's an absolute at the bottom
34:36
as. As they say, and they are, at least for the
34:40
duration of the time that they're in that space,
34:43
they. They can become regulated. And you see how
34:45
it's that. That frequency of love.
34:49
Kelly Erickson: Yes. A hundred percent. And it's interesting you
34:51
brought up the AA groups because in David Hawkins
34:55
book, when he's talking about consciousness
34:58
itself. Yeah, it's. Alcoholics Anonymous is one
35:03
of the, you know, few or many groups that
35:08
vibrates at the frequency of truth. And it is
35:12
that unconditional love, that lack of judgment
35:17
that individuals bring into the room and help
35:21
others recover.
35:24
Meredith Oke: That's right. Yeah. I forgot. He has a beautiful
35:27
section on that.
35:29
Kelly Erickson: Yep.
35:30
Meredith Oke: Yeah. You know, he really understood that at a
35:33
deep level. He was amazing.
35:34
Kelly Erickson: Yeah. Yeah.
35:35
Meredith Oke: I have his book by my bed. Just. I open it
35:39
randomly every couple of days. Yeah, beautiful.
35:43
Kelly Erickson: Yeah.
35:44
Meredith Oke: Okay, so let's. Let's bring it back to. Okay.
35:48
We've talked about the difference between
35:50
emotions and feelings and sort of stabilizing our
35:57
toroidal field, so to speak, by being regulated
36:02
in our nervous system and not constantly pinging
36:04
around between the feelings and the emotions. And
36:10
let's explore a little more the role that nature
36:15
and photons and darkness play in that in this
36:20
landscape.
36:21
Kelly Erickson: Yeah. So nature, of course, is like our original
36:29
home. It is the place where, you know, we
36:36
evolved, you know, and so it's no surprise that
36:41
when we go out into nature, there are all kinds
36:44
of benefits that we can receive. So sunlight is
36:50
one of them. We get photons of sunlight. And
36:54
there's so much that we could talk about with
36:58
sunlight specifically and helping it to regulate
37:01
your emotional landscape or your nervous system
37:06
or your mitochondria. There's just so many
37:10
benefits to sunlight. I think it's an equilibrium
37:14
frequency and it really does help bring us back
37:17
into balance in so many different ways. You can
37:23
go out into the woods and receive phytonicides
37:28
from pine trees, and these are really beneficial
37:32
for regulating the nervous system. You can go out
37:36
and be around a waterfall or running water and
37:40
get negative ions. Or even in after a
37:46
thunderstorm, there's negative ions in the air
37:50
that are extremely beneficial. You can put your
37:53
feet to the bare earth and receive electrons from
37:57
the earth that help to regulate your nervous
38:00
system and bring balance back in. Yeah, but also,
38:06
like when we're out in nature, our field, our
38:12
connection to the quantum field is uninterrupted.
38:17
And so I think when we go out into nature and we
38:22
don't have the headphones on or the cell phone on
38:25
our pocket, in our pocket, kind of sending these
38:28
altered frequencies, I think this is the ultimate
38:32
opportunity for connection to the quantum field
38:35
and where so many people, including myself, get
38:38
our, our downloads or these like, aha moments, or
38:43
some people might call them spiritual moments.
38:45
And I think that's because we. There's no
38:48
interference between us and the quantum field.
38:52
And we have a very regulated nervous system. So I
38:57
take a walk every single day, and that's where I
39:00
get these, you know, insights into things are
39:04
like my next idea for what I'm gonna do. And, you
39:07
know, it just appears to come out of nowhere, but
39:11
it's. It's not. You know, walking is like moving
39:14
meditation. All of these benefits that we can get
39:18
from being outside listening to the birds and,
39:22
you know, the, the, the horizon has benefits.
39:26
Like watching the horizon walking down a straight
39:30
and narrow road has benefits for your perception.
39:33
I mean, you really can't beat time outside in any
39:38
way.
39:40
Meredith Oke: Wow. So much there and, and, and the moving
39:44
around. You're remind. You're reminding me. I
39:48
watched this movie, I think, last winter. It's,
39:51
it's old. It's on YouTube. You can find it. It's
39:54
called Copenhagen, and it's about Niels Bohr. And
39:59
I forget all. Anyway, it's all these, like, early
40:02
pioneers of quantum physics. And they have this.
40:06
They're discussing all of the big breakthroughs
40:11
that they had. And they were like, oh, yeah, I
40:13
remember that. We would, like. We'd be around the
40:15
table, like, pouring over the formulas, and we
40:17
were like, ah, we're never gonna get it. And then
40:19
we'd go out for a hike in those Swiss mountains,
40:22
and all the breakthroughs would come. And they
40:24
told. They were just talking and telling stories,
40:26
the characters. But I noticed every time they
40:29
talked about when they had a breakthrough is when
40:31
they left the work and went skiing or went hiking
40:35
or went outside.
40:36
Kelly Erickson: Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I mean, it's. It's not
40:40
surprising. I mean, it really isn't, you know,
40:44
but also, I think a lot of people get
40:46
breakthroughs while they're sleeping. And it's
40:49
the same kind of thing as your brainwave states.
40:54
Right. You are in this deep, kind of meditative
40:58
state. And so that connection to the quantum
41:02
field opens up. And you get these downloads in
41:06
the form of dreams. And, you know.
41:11
Meredith Oke: Yes. Do you have any thoughts on the dreamscape
41:16
and have you just personally experienced or
41:19
heard, you know, in your travels with other
41:22
people. If people's dreams have becoming more
41:26
intense lately or more frequent or more colorful?
41:32
Kelly Erickson: I haven't had clients mention anything about
41:36
dreams lately. I know my dreams have been a
41:42
little bit more, like, in intuitive or
41:47
precognitive, but I haven't confirmed that or
41:52
spoken about it with other people. What are your
41:54
thoughts?
41:55
Meredith Oke: Yeah, I've noticed the same. My sample size is me
41:59
and my family, so I just wanted to see what else
42:03
was going on. But, yes, I have definitely noticed
42:08
that.
42:08
Kelly Erickson: Yeah. And would you connect it to what's going on
42:12
with the Schumann residents and the solar flares
42:16
that we're getting?
42:18
Meredith Oke: Possibly.
42:19
Kelly Erickson: Yeah. Yeah.
42:21
Meredith Oke: Possibly. Yes. Well, so. And I haven't taken the
42:25
time to, like, really dig into it, but I do think
42:29
there's something.
42:30
Kelly Erickson: Yeah. Yeah. And so that kind of ties us, then,
42:34
back into the consciousness conversation is, you
42:37
know, when you. If you follow any accounts that
42:40
talk about the Schumann resonance and. Or the
42:43
solar flares and how we're getting these
42:46
energetic upgrades. That is what David Hawkins
42:51
referred to in the 80s when, as a collective, we
42:55
just passed over that threshold into truth. And
42:59
that's when people really began seeking, you
43:03
know, truth about medications, truth about food,
43:06
truth about all sorts of things. Right. And so we
43:10
are receiving these energetic upgrades that are
43:14
allowing us to expand our level of consciousness.
43:18
But at the same time, you're going to be called
43:21
to dig through these anger, shame, and fear
43:24
emotions so that you're no longer, you know,
43:29
perpetuating them or hanging on to them so that
43:31
you can experience that expansion. And then when
43:36
people talk about 3D reality, what I think it's
43:41
referring to is anger, shame, and fear. And in
43:45
order to move into this 5D reality or anything
43:49
beyond that is through the processing of these
43:53
emotions and getting ourselves closer to that
43:56
frequency of love. And then when you think about
43:58
love, love and light are synonymous, right? And
44:02
so we're getting all of these light codes, and we
44:04
were expanding our heart, we're expanding our
44:07
awareness. It's all kind of one in the same. Just
44:11
everybody's using a different language to
44:15
describe it, which makes it seem like there's all
44:18
something separate. But I think it's. It's all
44:22
the same.
44:24
Meredith Oke: Hmm. That makes a lot of sense. So when you say.
44:29
When you use the words light codes, because I
44:33
loved what you said earlier about being
44:35
discerning with our language. I think as we move
44:39
closer to truth, the discernment piece becomes
44:42
really important, just in general. That wasn't my
44:45
point, though. Oh, yeah. So the light codes. And
44:48
then, okay, so as we, as a collective, move more
44:54
towards emitting a frequency of love, shall I
45:02
say? And then we're talking about the changes in
45:05
the Schumann resonance. We're talking about the
45:07
solar flares. I'm working on a talk, and I'm
45:10
looking at, like, the Kali Yuga cycles, the Mayan
45:16
cycles, the Chinese cosmology cycles, and then as
45:19
well as some more, like, material, just history
45:22
cycles, economic cycles. And, like, it's been so
45:26
interesting. No matter. Like, I started out,
45:28
I'll, like, I'll just look at 1 or 2 as to make a
45:31
point. And now I'm, like, I've listed, like, nine
45:33
of them, and they're all. They all have an
45:37
overlap, which is that this moment in time, it's
45:41
basically insanely crazy in terms of
45:44
transformation, like, no matter which of those
45:46
systems you look at.
45:47
Kelly Erickson: Right?
45:48
Meredith Oke: And so now I'm hearing from you, like, even as
45:51
another lens through which to view this shift,
45:56
and you're talking human resonance, solar flares,
46:00
light codes. And is it our consciousness
46:03
affecting that? Or. Or is it. How do you see it?
46:08
Like, are we driving that? Is it driving us? Is
46:10
it a. Is it a symbiotic.
46:13
Kelly Erickson: Interesting. I hadn't really. I guess I kind of
46:17
just Assumed it was affecting us. But when you
46:23
say that, it's like, well, it's all a bi
46:26
directional relationship, so we've got to be
46:29
feeding something back into it. But. Yeah, I
46:33
don't know. That's.
46:35
Meredith Oke: I don't know either. I have no idea. Wow, that's.
46:38
Kelly Erickson: I mean, that's definitely something to consider
46:42
and to apply it to, you know, these other time
46:48
periods in history where there was a lot of
46:50
chaos. You know, as we're expanding and moving
46:53
closer towards love, there is going to be a lot
46:56
of chaos because people have to work through that
46:59
anger, shame and fear. And that means a lot of
47:03
release, a lot of, you know, stirring the pot
47:09
from, you know, the bottom all the way up. And so
47:13
it may look a little ugly for a while, but I
47:17
think we're already beginning to see the shift
47:21
in, you know, the way people are viewing things
47:25
and viewing themselves in relationship to the
47:29
collective.
47:31
Meredith Oke: Yes. Yeah, I think so too. And, and that was.
47:36
Yeah, that's definitely a big piece of. It is.
47:38
There's, there's like a destabilizing piece to
47:44
transformation. And so ideally you want the old
47:48
systems that aren't working to give way to the
47:51
new ones, but not so fast that we're all buried
47:55
in the rubble. Yes.
47:58
Kelly Erickson: Yeah. Yeah. And then the more I understood about
48:01
shame and you know, of course, with the election
48:04
coming up this year or, you know, happening this
48:07
year, and I started to view the political stage
48:11
through the lens of shame and societal
48:15
structures. Anything that ends in ism is based on
48:20
shame. And so it requires us to disown ourselves
48:27
for it to be able to function the way that it
48:31
functions. And the minute that we all see step
48:34
back into our own personal power is the minute
48:37
those systems are no longer valid or operational
48:42
for us. Right. Because that's not how we view
48:46
ourselves anymore.
48:48
Meredith Oke: Yes. That's a beautiful way to describe it. And
48:52
that's how it feels to me. And that's how I feel
48:54
like I'm seeing it. It's like even the old. Back
48:59
to what you're saying about discerning language,
49:01
even the language tools that we use, you know,
49:04
left, right, this political party, that political
49:06
party, like they're becoming almost meaningless.
49:09
And it's really about people who want to live in
49:14
the truth.
49:14
Kelly Erickson: Yeah.
49:15
Meredith Oke: And not be controlled.
49:17
Kelly Erickson: Yeah.
49:18
Meredith Oke: Versus people who are like, no, no, these systems
49:20
are better. It's better to have the system
49:22
controlling us. That's more where I see the
49:25
shift. And it has, you know, red, blue, purple,
49:29
up, down, left, right. Like it's those Things
49:32
have. Are dissolving and becoming largely
49:34
irrelevant.
49:35
Kelly Erickson: Yeah, but it's all part of the process. You know,
49:38
it's not, you know, not judging other people
49:42
where they're at and how maybe they orient
49:47
towards safety, because for them, safety is those
49:51
systems. Right. They're relying on those systems
49:54
to keep them safe. But at some point in their
49:57
journey, they will butt up against those very
50:00
systems and they'll be asked to look within and
50:04
reevaluate and, you know, ask the question, is
50:08
this system really working for me or is it
50:11
working against me? And we're all just at
50:14
different stages of that journey. And, you know,
50:18
I think over the coming generations, I. I just
50:22
don't see these systems being in place anymore.
50:27
Meredith Oke: Yeah, I don't either. And I think the point
50:32
you're making is really good. And that was. It's
50:34
actually was kind of the point of this talk I'm
50:37
going to give is that for those of us who can
50:42
orient around the new paradigms, who can feel
50:46
safe and grounded in the world, even in the midst
50:50
of all this change, I feel like we have some
50:55
level of responsibility to show up for the people
51:00
you just described who are not there yet, and
51:03
it's going to feel really scary, and they're
51:04
going to be very disoriented. And especially
51:08
people in that space where the systems that they
51:11
trusted. And we've all been there, probably
51:13
everyone listening to a podcast like this has
51:15
been there. Right. That system that we trust us,
51:18
that we trusted, has betrayed us.
51:20
Kelly Erickson: Right.
51:21
Meredith Oke: And when you feel that betrayal of the system or
51:25
the institution that your whole life you've felt
51:28
like you could rely on and you don't have an
51:32
alternative, that's a terrifying and scary place
51:37
to be. And that's where I feel like we all
51:40
collectively have a responsibility to help
51:44
navigate that for people.
51:46
Kelly Erickson: Yeah. And I think that's a beautiful point. And,
51:49
and you know, I've been saying this to my clients
51:52
and also in mine and Lauren's podcast. I think. I
51:57
think our souls speak different languages. And so
52:04
different people speak different language. That's
52:10
not a very good way to describe it, but I think
52:13
our souls have their own unique language. And
52:16
each person, when we. When we tap into the
52:20
language of our own soul, that becomes the
52:22
language that we speak. We resonate at. And the
52:26
people who are. Who have souls that speak my
52:30
language will be drawn towards me, and the ones
52:35
that speak your language will be drawn towards
52:37
you. We each are holding a piece of the puzzle,
52:41
like you just said. And so our duty is to take it
52:45
back out there and find the people that speak our
52:48
language so we can spread the message. I mean,
52:51
that sounds very religious or something, but you
52:55
know, to, to help others navigate their own
52:58
experience.
53:00
Meredith Oke: Yes. Yeah, no, absolutely. And it could be, you
53:04
know, you and I are doing podcasts, but it could
53:06
just be like you're that person in, in your
53:09
extended family or in your friend group. Yeah,
53:13
that's like, seems kind of okay and, and chill.
53:17
And so when someone needs to access that, like, I
53:21
remember I heard a man, I think, I'm pretty sure
53:24
it was a Christian man. It. But it doesn't
53:27
matter. But he was saying that. What did he say?
53:31
He said, you know, we have to, basically we have
53:35
to have a spiritual practice so that when, when
53:41
people need us and they will. We are who we say
53:44
we are.
53:44
Kelly Erickson: Yeah, yeah.
53:48
Meredith Oke: And that, that always stayed with me. It's, it's
53:51
like, you know, when someone reaches out, who are
53:57
we?
53:57
Kelly Erickson: Yeah, it's part of, it is also part of the
54:02
nervous system work is understanding your own
54:05
personal values. Because what those emotions,
54:08
when they arise, what they're telling you is what
54:11
you value. They're telling you about your own
54:15
soul's values. And so if you're getting angry
54:20
when someone lies, you value honesty, you value
54:24
integrity, you value transparency, whatever.
54:28
Right. And so that spiritual practice is making
54:33
sure that you are connected to something higher
54:36
than yourself and your soul and so that you are
54:40
operating in alignment with your own personal
54:44
values. Like you said. So when someone comes to
54:47
you, you can, you are in alignment and you're not
54:52
saying one thing and doing another.
54:57
Meredith Oke: Right?
54:58
Kelly Erickson: Yeah.
55:00
Meredith Oke: So good. This has been so, so interesting, Kelly.
55:04
I love it so much. Is there anything like coming
55:06
to you that you want to say next or that you
55:10
wanted to say that you haven't said?
55:12
Kelly Erickson: No, I don't think so. I just the connection
55:16
between the nervous system and consciousness. And
55:20
then also you can add in the piece of like
55:22
internal family systems model, which is the core
55:26
self energy and the parts that we develop as like
55:29
coping strategies to navigate the world. They're
55:33
all describing the same thing. And so that makes
55:37
the end goal from all three models. The end goal
55:42
is love. So, you know, finding our way back to
55:47
love in whichever way you can begin to do that
55:51
and we can do it in very small ways in our day to
55:55
day life so you don't have to go out and hire
55:57
some coach and have some massive transformation.
56:01
You know, you can do a lot of the work on your
56:03
own at home.
56:05
Meredith Oke: Yeah, it's true. It's in all the, all the little
56:08
moments of the day. Although I will say working
56:11
with someone is often helpful. So if anyone
56:14
resonates, go work with Kelly.
56:16
Kelly Erickson: Yeah, yeah, it definitely can. Yeah, yeah.
56:21
Meredith Oke: Yeah. And then just to bring it back to the light
56:24
piece before we wrap up, it's like, you know,
56:27
I'll use myself as the example. Right. So I did a
56:30
lot of, A lot of the work that, you know, you've,
56:33
you're describing and I still got sick. And I
56:37
think there was a part of me that was judging
56:39
myself for that. And it's like, oh, if you've
56:41
like mastered your. Mastered your mind and healed
56:44
your childhood, like, what do you. Why are you
56:46
getting sick? Right. But I was missing the, the
56:50
piece where I understood the impact that my
56:52
environment was having on me and, and
56:54
particularly light. So I added that in and it was
56:57
like, ha, ha. But I found over time that it's,
57:01
you know, as you were saying at the beginning,
57:03
it's like it's a spiral. And so I feel it then,
57:09
you know, as I've infused myself with healthy
57:15
light over time, that has called me to up level
57:18
back in the other ways.
57:20
Kelly Erickson: Yeah.
57:20
Meredith Oke: And then I go back in the light and I'm starting
57:22
to hear from people who've been doing this few
57:24
years that they're like becoming off the charts
57:28
intuitive, borderline psychic. And all of these
57:31
things are starting to happen as we, as we
57:34
continue continually move through.
57:38
Kelly Erickson: Yeah. Because that love and light are synonymous
57:42
with each other. They're often referred to as one
57:45
and the same throughout ancient texts and
57:49
history. Right. And so it's not surprising that
57:53
going out into the sunlight expands your level of
57:57
consciousness and unburdens the heart to some
58:01
degree and fills you with love, you know? Pretty
58:08
cool. It's pretty cool. It's all just so
58:11
fascinating. It really is. And it's all so
58:15
exciting. And to even have a platform to share
58:18
this kind of information, like, I just never
58:21
thought I. I never imagined this would be my life
58:25
or that I would be sitting here talking to you
58:27
about love and consciousness, light and all of
58:31
these things. It's just, it's really profound. We
58:34
live in a really awesome time.
58:38
Meredith Oke: Yeah, I totally agree. I sometimes, and I was
58:42
like working on that presentation and I'm like
58:44
making notes about astrology and frequency. I was
58:49
at a co working space and the woman next to me, I
58:52
saw her glance down at my notes and I was like,
58:54
yeah, this is what I'm doing for my job. It's
59:00
pretty incredible. And then we have these
59:01
platforms to share it. Yeah, no, we. I don't know
59:07
what you know. I don't want to use terms that
59:14
will activate people in one way or the other, but
59:16
however we all ended up here at the same time in
59:19
this moment of time is, as you said, deeply
59:24
profound.
59:25
Kelly Erickson: Yes. There are no coincidences. I don't believe
59:29
so.
59:30
Meredith Oke: Yeah.
59:31
Kelly Erickson: Well, thank you so much, Meredith. I really
59:34
appreciate it.
59:35
Meredith Oke: Thank you for being here, Kelly. This was
59:37
wonderful and we will be doing it again.
59:39
Kelly Erickson: Okay, sounds great.
59:42
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paradigm and its practical application with your
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patients and clients. We also love to feature
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graduates of the program on this very podcast.
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Until next time, the QVC.