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- Lucas: When Satya Nadella took over as CEO of Microsoft in February 2014, the company was profitable but culturally brittle. It was known for internal competition, for what some employees called a 'know-it-all' culture. And the numbers told a story — Microsoft had missed mobile, had fumbled search, and its stock had been basically flat for over a decade. Luna: Right. The perception was that Microsoft was a fading giant. And Nadella wasn't the obvious choice — he'd been running the cloud and enterprise group, but he wasn't the flashy outsider people expected. Lucas: Exactly. And in his first memo to employees, he didn't lead with a new product strategy or a reorg. He led with culture. He talked about moving from a culture of 'know it alls' to 'learn it alls.' That phrase became the north star. Luna: But that sounds like typical CEO language — 'we need to change our culture.' How did he actually make it concrete? Lucas: Great question. One of the first concrete moves was killing stack ranking — the forced-curve performance review system. Under Steve Ballmer, managers had to rank employees and a certain percentage had to be rated low, regardless of actual performance. It created internal competition, hoarding of information, and it killed collaboration. Luna: I remember reading that stack ranking was deeply unpopular. Some teams would deliberately hire weaker people just to protect their own ranking. Lucas: That's exactly the kind of perverse incentive it created. Nadella replaced it with a system that emphasized teamwork and learning. He also started having weekly senior leadership meetings where the focus was on what they were learning from customers, not just what they were selling. Luna: So he modeled the behavior from the top. That's key — you can't just announce a cultural shift; you have to live it. Lucas: And he did. He started reading books publicly and sharing his takeaways. One famous example is his embrace of Carol Dweck's 'growth mindset' concept. He sent all senior leaders a copy of her book. And he encouraged managers to talk about their own failures and what they learned from them. Luna: That must have been a big shift in a company where being right was practically a job requirement. Lucas: Huge shift. And it wasn't just talk. He started tying bonuses to collaboration metrics, not just individual results. He also broke down the fiefdoms — the Windows division had enormous power, and he essentially demoted Windows from the center of the universe to one product among many. Luna: That's a bold move when Windows was still generating billions in profit. How did the Windows team react? Lucas: It wasn't easy. But Nadella framed it as a survival imperative. He said, 'We are a cloud-first, mobile-first company.' That meant Windows had to serve the strategy, not define it. And he backed it up with resource allocation — he shifted engineering talent from Windows to Azure, the cloud platform. Luna: And Azure is now a massive business. It's interesting — the cultural change was a prerequisite for the product shift. Lucas: That's the key insight. The cloud transformation wasn't just a technology pivot; it required a different way of working. Cloud is about continuous delivery, customer feedback loops, constant iteration. That's the opposite of the old Microsoft model where you shipped a big product every few years and declared victory. Luna: So the culture had to become more agile, more humble, more open to feedback. Lucas: Exactly. And Nadella also pushed for more openness externally. Microsoft started embracing open source — which would have been unthinkable under Ballmer, who once called Linux 'a cancer.' Under Nadella, Microsoft joined the Linux Foundation, released.NET as open source, and even bought GitHub. Luna: That's a complete 180. And it's not just symbolic — it actually helped Azure compete with Amazon Web Services, because developers could use whatever tools they wanted. Lucas: Right. And that openness extended to partnerships. Microsoft started working with former rivals like Salesforce, Red Hat, and even Apple. They released Office for iPad before they had a full touch version of Office for Windows. That would have been heresy a few years earlier. Luna: It shows that the cultural shift was real — they were putting customer needs above internal dogma. Lucas: Which brings us to empathy. Nadella talks a lot about empathy as a core leadership skill. His personal story plays a big role there — he has a son with cerebral palsy, and he's said that raising him taught him to see the world from other perspectives. Luna: He's written about how that shaped his approach to product design too — considering users with disabilities, for example. That's not the old Microsoft. Lucas: Not at all. And he made empathy part of the performance review process. Managers were evaluated on how well they understood their employees' and customers' perspectives. That's a measurable way to embed a soft value into a hard system. Luna: It's fascinating because a lot of CEOs talk about culture, but very few actually change it in a company of Microsoft's size. What do you think made Nadella successful where others fail? Lucas: I think three things. First, he was patient but persistent — he didn't try to change everything in one quarter, but he kept repeating the message. Second, he aligned systems — performance reviews, bonuses, resource allocation — with the culture he wanted. Third, he modeled the behavior himself, publicly and consistently. Luna: And he had the credibility from having run a successful business inside Microsoft. He wasn't an outsider telling them what to do. Lucas: That's a crucial point. He was an insider who understood the culture, but he also saw its flaws clearly. That combination is rare. And it's worth noting that the cultural shift took years. It wasn't an overnight miracle. Luna: If these conversations have moved your work forward in some small way, we want to mention something. This show is ad-free by choice — no sponsors, no interruptions. If you find value in that, supporting us is easy. Lucas: Yeah, we keep it clean so we can stay focused on the stories. If you'd like to support that approach, you can find us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure, just a way to keep this going. Luna: And we really appreciate it when listeners do. It's what lets us dig into topics like this without worrying about ad reads. Lucas: So back to Nadella — one of the most telling signs of cultural change was how Microsoft handled the 'Windows Phone' failure. Under Ballmer, they poured billions into it and kept trying. Under Nadella, they acknowledged it wasn't working and pivoted resources to mobile apps on iOS and Android. Luna: That's a huge shift from the old 'we have to win every category' mentality. Lucas: Exactly. It's the learn-it-all mindset in action — we tried, we learned, we moved on. And that freed up resources for what became Microsoft Teams, which is now a dominant product. Teams was born from a culture that was willing to experiment and iterate. Luna: So the cultural change wasn't just about being nicer — it directly enabled better business outcomes. Lucas: That's the bottom line. The cultural transformation was the foundation for the financial transformation. Microsoft's market cap went from around $300 billion when Nadella took over to over $2 trillion within a few years. But the stock price is just a lagging indicator of the cultural shift. Luna: If another CEO wanted to replicate this, what's the one thing they should take away? Lucas: I'd say: don't try to change culture by talking about culture. Change the systems that shape behavior. In Microsoft's case, that meant stack ranking, bonus structures, leadership meeting agendas, and resource allocation. The new culture emerges from the new incentives. Luna: And lead with a clear, simple idea — like 'learn-it-all vs. know-it-all' — that everyone can understand and apply. Lucas: Right. It's a north star, not a detailed map. And that's maybe the hardest lesson for any leader: you can't control culture from the top, but you can create the conditions for a better culture to grow.