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Snowden · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh, God. Oh, my God. What's a tapache? It's a
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fermented pineapple drink. It's actually really
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good. Yeah. All right. They're kind of addictive.
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But they don't make you feel sick like the...
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Oh, there's no probiotics. Oh, right. Like kombucha.
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Kombucha. Wait, probiotics make you feel sick?
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That's backwards, isn't it? They can. Oh, okay.
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If you're sensitive. I'm sensitive. I mean, the
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thing I don't like about kombucha is the scoby
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itself. It's gross. Yes, what? The scoby. Oh.
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the scobies are pretty repulsive what's a what's
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a biscovy a scoby is like part of the kombucha
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brewing process oh okay no no no i know the mother
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yeah yeah yeah exactly it's the sourdough like
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pillow bacterial pillow is a good way of putting
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it yeah i don't like that or duvet it's a bacterial
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duvet remember when blake was still making uh
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booch all the time and he was like trying to
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like give it away in the end because he's like
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nobody's taking my kombucha and i have too much
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at home sorry man nobody likes kombucha that
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much it's not that hot for the booch it had its
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moment and go on get yeah so um right before
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we hopped on we just were all like this movie
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made us feel pretty uncomfortable yeah yeah that's
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good I hope the FBI has like a whole lot of cuck
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chairs for when they watch all of my videos.
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Oh, my God. Self -contained. Gross. It is. It's
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so gross what I do. The things I have to do to
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get me there. Sean. I'm not even going to try.
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Welcome back to Cage Match. Calling around about
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Wade meeting Nicolas Cage. I'm Sean here with
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Nick. And producer Peter. Hello. We've reached
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a whole new level of not trying. There was no
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clean break from what you were saying. I'm like,
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I'm not even going to try. Let's just get this
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over with. Just climb out of the cup chair. And
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we're joined by our friends and guests. Elizabeth.
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And Freeman. Yeah, Freeman, welcome back. Elizabeth,
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welcome for the first time. Thank you. Hi, Elizabeth.
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Hello. I'm glad you picked a movie about... creepy
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nsa spying yeah yeah well i i work in data privacy
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so it's perfect i actually i know more about
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this than uh than your average person and i watched
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the movie and was like yeah yeah yeah it's worse
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now oh it's so much worse it's so much worse
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now ai's so good at matching things together
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yeah yeah before we get there uh we're this week
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we're talking about oliver stone's snowden Yeah,
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2016. Joseph Gordon -Levitt. Who did a weird
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voice. Yes! But he does kind of sound like Snowden.
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You think so? A little bit. I don't know. Snowden's
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got a pretty monotony robot voice. It felt like
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he was trying to force himself an octave lower
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than normal, and it was too much. Yeah, Josie
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had some issue with his voice as well. I guess
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it felt very on point. With a lot of the privacy
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engineers that I work with, I was like, oh, yeah,
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this is this is normal. That's OK. That guy exists.
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That's all right. That's all right. Perfect.
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I love that. There's a time. I loved how throughout
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the film, like later on in the film, when you
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see like the other people who are working with
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him in like data security and I say, see, like
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whenever like it shows like the nerds, you just
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like and here are extras from the Big Bang Theory.
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Yeah. Yeah. So the other cast, Shailene Woodley
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as Lindsay Mills. uh my favorite though was reese
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uh ifans as the like um corbin o 'brien the like
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director he's fucking good that guy's got a weird
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head and i say that every time i see him in a
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movie and i always enjoy him in movies but he's
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got a weird head i can't get over him basically
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always being like a soccer hooligan and everything
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i see and then this he was like a really buttoned
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up like spook i prefer a zipped up spook yeah
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I didn't have anything for that. Spooksuit. Spooksuit
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riot. LaKeith Stanfield. I love that guy. He's
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so fucking good. His buddy who does the sign
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language at the in Oahu. Yeah. Yeah. I like him.
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I think I always like him in pretty much everything.
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I like how cool he was about stepping on the
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evidence. Oh, yeah. Keeping it keeping it clean.
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Do a solid. Yeah. I will say Snowden leaving
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the base and him getting the chip out of there.
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The SD card in the Rubik's Cube. And he like
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tossing it to the guard and be like, you ever
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try one of these? I'm like, that's that's a cool
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spy move. He did a spy, everybody. I did like
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the other guard when the other guard gets a hold
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of the Rubik's Cube. It's like his solution to
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try and solve this to break it. I don't know.
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That's kind of the way I solved them whenever
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I did. I just took the stickers off. Yeah, take
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all the stickers off and put them back in the
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right order. I'm like, perfect. Duh. You guys
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suck at this, man. Well, and it felt appropriate
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to create that cinematic tension. Like he's going
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to break the cube open and find the SD card right
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there or something. Right. Yeah. Well, OK, so
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Elizabeth and Freeman, do you want to do a top
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level summation of this movie for us? Freeman.
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Completely unredacted. Yeah, exactly. Well, let's
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see. We start off with Snowden trying to join
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the Army Rangers and breaking his leg. His glass
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legs. Yeah, yeah. Just getting out the top bunk.
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Exactly. That scene grossed me out so bad. Oh,
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yeah, yeah. I don't know. I crushed a bone in
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my foot as a kid, so I was kind of related. I
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was like, ooh. Anytime I see a leg going the
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wrong direction, I'm just like, no. That's sad.
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And so then the medical doctor says, you know,
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thanks, son, but you can serve your country another
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way. So he goes and actually joins what the the
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CIA formally gets hired there. And then after
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kind of working his way up a little bit, requests
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what like field training? I guess I'm skipping
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the part where he's what at the. Or am I getting
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that out of order? No, you've got this in the
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right order. I mean, I think the only thing he
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missed is that he does that like long test for
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Corbin O 'Brien. He does it in like 40 minutes
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or whatever. Yeah. 38. Yeah. 38. So then he ends
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up, what, in Geneva? Mm -hmm. And that's where
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he first gets his kind of scope of the magnitude
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of the dragnet that's going on. Because the whole,
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the X search or the X type. Yeah, X key code
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or something. Yeah, exactly what it's called.
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Yeah, X code. That was kind of terrifying. Oh,
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and we get, what's his name? Fucking my favorite
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actor. Timothy Oliphant? Yeah, he's great. He
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always looks like the most smug motherfucker
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in the entire world. Yeah, that guy gives me
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the real kind of sleazy vibe. Yeah, he plays
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a sleazeball really well. Yeah, he would sell
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you his own mother. I mean, what kind of condition
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is she in? Low mileage. Okay, cool. I have need
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of secondhand mom, actually. Don't we all? And
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he flunks out of that horribly because he gets
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kind of all freaked out. He didn't like the consequences
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of his actions. Yeah. People got hurt. Yeah,
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like they basically pushed a teen girl to harm
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herself and all to put pressure on some banker.
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Yeah. And so then what? He gets his negative
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marks, and he basically leaves the CIA, but no
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one throws him in jail or anything, so that's
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good. What's a D -Rog? I should have looked that
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up. It's a derogatory comment on your card. That's
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what it is. I had to look it up. It's just a
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slur. Yeah, it's a D -Rog. It's kind of like
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a D -Mark, a D -Rog. Yeah, okay. In the corporate
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world, is that like a performance improvement
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plan? Is it like a PIP? That's kind of what I
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was thinking, yeah. It's just your... permanent
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record yeah it all goes down there they're gonna
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know when you apply for college that you were
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a bad cia spook and and so because he's a geek
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that can't uh get away from all this then he
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decides just to go to defense contractors doing
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kind of the same crap yeah uh which seemed a
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little weird yeah it's like i have a problem
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with what i do so i'll just do it somewhere else
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it's like what's what do you what do you think
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that's really gonna change i thought he was just
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like selling Oh, yeah. He was just like a salesman
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or something. Yeah. Like teaching people the
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basics of what he did, not necessarily doing
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it. But that seems like a character flaw. Like,
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I don't like what I'm doing. Let's just double
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down and do it somewhere else. Yes. Which his
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girlfriend picks up on later. She's like, why
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the fuck are you doing this? And actually jumping
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way back to when they were first walking around
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in Washington, D .C. on their first meetup. I
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wasn't thinking about this as like a real true
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story. I was thinking about this as some cinematic.
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And all of a sudden I started getting the vibes
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from her that like, she's like a spy herself
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and this is all going to go sideways or something.
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It was really weird. Their first interactions.
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It made me feel like something weird was going
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on. I got the same vibe. I also like, she shows
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up with the camera and stuff. I'm like, she's.
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she's a double agent i've also been watching
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a lot of ponies so i got spy on the brain yeah
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it definitely was something that didn't quite
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like flesh out throughout the whole movie like
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the like how willing he was to get his photo
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taken in the beginning versus in the end uh yeah
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it it doesn't get um as much to it as it probably
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needs to to make it worth having in the film
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well and it felt like The whole relationship
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arc was so rushed. I mean, it felt like, are
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we on their first date and they're kissing? I
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mean, that doesn't generally happen. Listen,
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they both like the same anime. You can go straight
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to kissing. That's good. You have a point. You
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have a point. Some geek finder. I mean, come
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on. That's right. It's true. I got the impression
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that that was their only message. yeah like she
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ragged him he was like oh ha ha and then they're
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on a date like because when he's in the cafe
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those are still the only messages on that app
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hey shared interest man i bet he just did a screen
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capture to relive the moment as someone who's
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familiar with the dating apps now like that was
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a much simpler time There was that moment in
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the coffee shop before she shows up and it like
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the door opens and a woman walks in and I'm like,
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oh, that's Lindsay Mills or whatever. And it's
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not. Then it switches to her showing up, Shailene
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Woodley. But apparently the person that does
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walk through the door is Lindsay Mills, the real
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one, like the real person. They just had her
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do that for some reason. So there's that weird
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moment where it like holds on her crossing the
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coffee shop. And I was like, who the fuck is
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that? yeah bizarre i guess i guess she can travel
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to uh wherever they were filming freely versus
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uh mr stone who could not well yeah that's a
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good point i was wondering throughout this entire
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movie and we do see it in the end but i'm like
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when are they actually just gonna switch to like
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showing us like the actual snowden when are they
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gonna do that little the camera trick to go from
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joseph gordon levitt to snowden i'm like and
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they did and i'm like damn Yeah, when they pull
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off the movie screen theater in the end and Snowden's
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just sitting there applauding. Hell yeah. When
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when Freddie and the Scooby gang like take off
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Joseph Gordon Levins mask and it's been Snowden
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the whole time. Oh, yeah. And then they take
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off that mask and it was Shia LaBeouf. It would
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be him. I will say the best part about this movie
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is Shia LaBeouf's not in it. Oh. I still love
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Shia LaBeouf. I say that about every movie Shia
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LaBeouf's not in. Because it is the best part
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of every movie he's not in. I fucking hate Shia
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LaBeouf. I don't like him as an actor, but I
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like him as a weirdo. He's a quality weirdo.
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I want Shia LaBeouf and Finn Wolfhard to fight
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to the death. And then I'll just beat up whoever's
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left after they're already mostly beaten to death.
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Alright, I'm going to circle right into this.
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You think you could take on Shia LaBeouf in a
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fist fight? After he's been beaten nearly to
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death? Maybe. You think Finn Wolfhard's going
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to beat him nearly to death? He's going to be
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rock hard and covered in Wolfhard blood. And
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you're going to have to fight a fully erect,
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blood -soaked Shia LaBeouf. He'll be too slippery.
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You're right, I can't do this. Yeah, you won't
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be able to hold on to him. I don't think this
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looks good for you, Sean. Nothing I say looks
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good for me. I'm going to put it on your tombstone,
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too. He was beaten to death by a rock hard, blood
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soaked Shia LaBeouf. Like we always knew he would
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be. Yeah, exactly. As it was foretold. You called
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your shot. This is you from the plate pointing
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to. the wall for the home run. This is this is
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it. I don't die. But you know what? It is my
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one wish to die in a real funny way. So that'll
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count. There you go. Well, I just know that he
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hasn't been doing a lot of acting lately, so
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he might be able to use 50 bucks. And if 50 bucks
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will do it, Shia LaBeouf, I got 50 bucks right
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now in a bucket of blood. Are you like just restarting
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bum fights or something? What's going on here?
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I'd be pretty cool, but I would just be offering
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liquor then. That's a good point. And sad. Yeah,
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Bumfights was sad. Yes. I mean, it's sad now.
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All right. So where were we? Lindsay Mills. Oh,
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I don't know. So we're back now. We're working
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contract work. The movie takes way too long.
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It is. It's kind of a long movie. Was it two
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hours, 10 to 14? I think the credits is 214.
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Yeah. There's a lot of noise in the middle that
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really does not need to be there. Yeah. Oh. Hold
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on. How about that noise at the end when they
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do the musical recap of it? That end song. It
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was about the Snowden thing. Oh, my God. That
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he wrote for this movie. Yeah. Peter fucking
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Gabriel singing the Snowden like recap theme.
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The veil. Oh, my God. I missed that. I turned
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that off. I was just. Oh, Sean, go back and listen
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to that. It's so bad. We watched the entire credits
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just to listen to the whole song. There's an
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ocean. I was going to make my normal joke about
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how they made a rap about it and they fucking
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did. And I missed it. Yes. It's actually a slow
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jam. It's something you could fuck to. You could
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fuck to it for sure. Would you want to? No. Is
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it worth trying? Maybe. Is Shia LaBeouf there
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in the cuck chair? Yeah. Rock hard. Rock hard.
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Covered in blood. Shia LaBeouf. Okay. So. contract
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work it's contract work uh and that just carries
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on all the way until what he does a really good
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job at the the backup program and then and then
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they they offer him a promotion to go to hawaii
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and that creates what conflict uh with uh that
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seizure well yeah there's that the seizure happens
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i think before he's honest about the hawaii job
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or did it happen no it happened right after he
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told her right after he said the about the hawaii
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job then he fell over in the kitchen right because
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then there was the belief of like oh maybe a
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warm relaxing environment would help with all
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of this yeah sure so we should go to hawaii and
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it just got worse and there he just gets what
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super deep into uh the cauldron and realizes
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that they have access to pretty much everything.
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And are using his tool that he developed for
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shit reasons. Yeah, and they're monitoring like
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seven times more Americans than they are like
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Russians or other foreign peoples. dhs is awesome
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well and then and then the the the subtle hints
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from people uh about them watching him and his
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girlfriend or watching the girlfriend and keeping
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the eyes on her that really sent him uh scrambling
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which rightfully so yeah like his father figured
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telling him that like yeah your girlfriend's
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not fucking that guy yeah yeah that makes me
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feel super comfortable knowing that you know
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that buddy yeah You just have that as like on
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hand information. OK, that scene, though, I did
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really like that with the video call between
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his boss, Corbin O 'Brien. Oh, the whole wall
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and like the wall. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's just
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this giant fucking head. Yeah. Leading into the
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camera while while being the big head. That one,
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it was pretty tense, especially because he is
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being like, yeah, we are motherfucking watching
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you like we see everything you're doing, dude.
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Yeah. Yeah, you really had the sense that that
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Corbin was aware that he took up an entire wall
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and that by leaning into the camera, he was like
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filling the whole wall because it yeah, it felt
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very intimidating. And then it's around this
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time when he's really starting to, I think, turn
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and and start to show signs of like, I'm thinking
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about defecting. I'm thinking about doing something
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else. I'm thinking about trying to shine a light
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on all this. And so then what? They're at the
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house party and he's starting to ask people about
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the Nuremberg trials and talk about it. What
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do you think an NSA house party is really like?
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Just a bunch of agents and their wives and stuff.
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And like nobody talks about work, but they somehow
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still get really drunk. And it's got to be like
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a key party situation. Oh, my God. But like the
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one guy was talking about work. Yeah, he was
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sitting there just running his mouth about killing
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the families and bombing the children and all
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of this. Yeah. All right. So these parties rip.
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That's cool. Well, I thought it was weird that
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they just had like, I mean, a drone just like
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flying above the party. I'm like, that doesn't
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seem that's got a camera on it. That doesn't
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seem secure. Who's is that? Who's controlling
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that? Well, to me, though, you place it in the
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time frame of reality. Right. So about that time
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is when drones were becoming more popular in
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the public space. Right. So people were getting
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drones for Christmas. People were getting drones
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to play with. So they're like new on the scene.
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So it was new technology, something new for your
18:52
average person to play with. So it felt like.
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Something the government had had for a really
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long time. All these guys knew what it was and
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they were absolutely not concerned about it because
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they already knew. Gross. I mean, I just think
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more of it as if it was my job to give the government
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people to blow up with drones. I think if I was
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just at a house party and someone just had a
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drone, that would just remind me of the horrible
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things I do and make me uncomfortable. Well,
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so throughout the movie, we bounce back from
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past to the present tense in the movie where
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they're in the hotel room in Hong Kong. I don't
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know. We're in the hotel room and he's like trying
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to get everything live and all the stories broken.
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Right. So he's stolen the data in like the most
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annoying drag and drop file copying. That was
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so bad. I would like who? I'm sorry. I have done
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so much drag and drop in my career, and the fact
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that he did it that way was so annoying. Like,
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you don't do that. You don't do that. Especially
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for someone whose job is working at the command
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line on a terminal. Totally. That just feels
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a little backwards. Like, he's going to script
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and automate everything. Yeah, that was probably
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just... shot that way for dummies who don't yeah
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it's just for the drama yeah yeah who have no
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idea how that stuff actually works yeah perhaps
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to lean into his claim that he left a uh a very
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obvious trail to himself so that his peers back
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there don't get in any trouble so that it shows
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that he had no accomplices or anything so maybe
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it was some lean into that i don't know i don't
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know it's frustrating I know there were a couple
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of people complaining on the Internet about like
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certain aspects, and that's one that got like
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the biggest complaints. And the other one was
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like, that wasn't a cray one that he saw with
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Nick Cage. That was a cray two. Fucking dork.
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Yeah. Nobody cares. Apparently. Some people do.
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Some people do. Oh, man. Yeah. So. it just kind
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of exists in like the movie in like two time
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lines where they flash back and forth where he's
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talking to the reporters in the the current times
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of like dealing out this information and then
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like the recounting of the story it kind of comes
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to the end of the film right just uh finishing
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up this whole like getting the information out
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getting it to the guardian and like pushing for
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all this to get released and then you know kind
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of the wrap -up of uh fucking him having to go
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to russia and now having citizenship there yeah
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um that's kind of that's all that i think we
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really need to know except for who is nicholas
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cage in this film we've talked about the whole
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film and we only like mentioned nicholas cage
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once now nicholas cage plays fictional x cia
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x s you know or is he fictional I don't think
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he's a real guy. I didn't zero like history into
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this. Yeah. Hank Forrester is the character.
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I did a mild Google. He's not, yeah, not a real
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person. He was just, I mean, I'm sure he had
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like an amalgamation of that character that existed
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in Snowden's life, but yeah. I mean, it's not
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like he was an important person in his story
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at all. So he's in like three scenes, but he
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does have perhaps one of the best lines of the
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movie. You've come to the right little whorehouse.
22:25
Indeed, indeed. Yeah. I was going to say, when
22:28
Snowden's just waxing poetically about how much
22:30
he doesn't have a girlfriend, that he just loves
22:32
computers. Yeah, that's his drug of choice. That's
22:35
his drug of choice. I don't drink. I don't do
22:38
any drugs. I just love these computers. I really
22:43
liked it at the end when Snowden's on the news
22:46
and all the reports are coming out and Nick Cage
22:48
is just sitting in his armchair drinking a beer
22:50
and smoking a cigarette. He did it. He fucking
22:54
did it. He calls his wife in or some shit. He's
23:00
like, look it, look it. It's that guy I met seven
23:05
years ago. He's on the TV. He did it. He's spilling
23:08
the beans about all those things we do that I
23:10
never told you about. By the way, this was my
23:13
life. This is how we paid for this house. The
23:17
government has so much footage of us having sex.
23:20
Oh, yeah. Nice. Only if your laptop's open. That's
23:23
true. Yeah. Without a bandaid over the camera.
23:26
Yeah. Or a little privacy screen. Yeah. I know.
23:30
Yeah. When I worked at the salt company. the
23:34
ceo he came by at one point he was just like
23:36
everybody cover up your cameras and he gave us
23:38
all those little like camera protector things
23:40
the slidey ones and he's like because people
23:42
are watching yeah it's like oh i think you're
23:44
having an episode right now but no no not not
23:48
having an episode no a lot of modern laptops
23:52
just have a built -in physical shutter you can
23:53
close now as well yeah yeah there was a reason
23:56
for that yeah It was absolutely true that they
24:01
could remote into your laptop or your phone and
24:04
activate your camera without having the light
24:07
on and watch you. That's so fucking creepy. I
24:11
don't know. I'm sure the technology still exists,
24:13
but I have not heard of instances of it happening.
24:16
It's all pretty creepy. Yes. Yes. Welcome to
24:21
data privacy. I'm going to start whacking off
24:23
in front of ring cams now. Every ring cam, right?
24:26
Every ring cam I see. Motion detected. Just one
24:28
big butthole shot from me. I'm going to bring
24:31
a stool to stand on. Your only fan page is on
24:34
Flock. Palantir. In favor of the best. So this
24:41
is a good time then, Elizabeth. Let's talk more
24:43
about the data privacy aspects of it all. What
24:45
can you bring to the table? I will say it's worse
24:51
now. The amount of data that is collected on
24:54
your average person is exponentially more than
24:59
what was collected at the time of this movie.
25:02
And it's not just the government, right? Like
25:05
data brokers are a thing and corporations, the
25:11
amount of data that is collected. That's why
25:14
we need giant data centers. It's not just AI.
25:17
It's every moment that you spend online, every
25:21
transaction you make. And you might think like,
25:25
oh, I clicked on this app on my phone, right?
25:29
So if you have an app on your phone, they're
25:31
not just knowing that you clicked on that app.
25:34
They know where the app lives on your phone screen.
25:37
They know if you have location services turned
25:39
on, they know where you were in the world when
25:43
you clicked on that app, right? And not just
25:46
that. If you're clicking on that app and you
25:50
have location services turned on, which is why
25:52
in data privacy, we say, turn it off. Don't allow
25:56
this stuff. But then how do I watch my boys dots?
25:59
I need to know where Freeman and Nick are at
26:02
all times. You can turn it on for certain things,
26:04
but like your average app, you don't want to
26:07
allow location services. So if I click on an
26:10
app and I am in a location, the app knows where
26:13
I'm at. depending on their marketing services,
26:17
they can also know all of the marketing that
26:20
I am being exposed to in the real world. Geolocation,
26:24
what else am I looking at? What I could possibly
26:27
be looking at? Hot singles near you. Yeah, yeah.
26:32
And that's where they kind of get the marketing
26:36
dialed down for each person, right? So it's all
26:41
to sell you stuff. I mean, that's one thing I
26:43
found about this film watching it. I'm just like,
26:46
this all seems so quaint now. This is terrible
26:50
and terrifying that this was happening, but this
26:53
all seems so. so quaint and innocent compared
26:56
to like the capitalist hellscape we now live
26:59
in yeah the dorks have gotten real good at it
27:01
even just uh the proliferation of smartphones
27:04
and i think it's the apps and the integrations
27:06
there right the the timeline of this film you
27:09
know the iphone wasn't released until 2007 so
27:11
that's only kind of the second half of of this
27:14
collection of information and it's only become
27:17
richer and more robust uh painting a picture
27:20
about us and i think Back to the data privacy,
27:24
really what we start marching towards potentially
27:26
are markets of one, which is whoever's selling
27:30
you something knows enough about you that they
27:32
can give you an individualized price. And that
27:35
could be a very bad thing. Let's say it's determined
27:38
that you had a loved one die in Ohio. And so
27:41
they're pretty clear that you're going to be
27:43
trying to fly to Ohio. They're not going to show
27:45
you any discounted tickets to go to Ohio because
27:47
they know that your aunt just died. So you would
27:51
have to ask a friend to go book airfare for me
27:53
if you want to see the real flight prices, because
27:56
if you go searching, you're only going to see
27:58
inflated prices. If they're not also tracking
28:02
whether or not your friends are looking at the
28:04
same thing that you're looking at, right? Yeah,
28:06
that's where it gets. Yeah, and that's they hit
28:10
on the movie a little bit about like, oh, you
28:11
have this one person that you're tracking and
28:13
then you one jump from them and it gives you
28:15
like three hops and three hops. Yeah, it's like,
28:17
holy fuck. Yeah, yeah. Nick, Nick, we're losing
28:22
Bill. Make a dick joke. Well, this whole time
28:26
I've just been thinking that I'm going to make
28:27
a move back to hard copy pornography, just magazines
28:31
and VHS tapes because I can't trust DVD players
28:34
now either. A lot of them hook up to the Internet.
28:36
like i mean sure the quality is better but everybody's
28:42
gonna know you only need the audio it worked
28:45
for me for a long time when i was younger i've
28:47
actually been making my own audio for years so
28:50
just put it on mute i'm like oh oh yeah yeah
28:53
that's that's how you do it girl in my mind this
28:56
is nick horn that is how you do it girl does
29:00
anyone ever like think about the lost art of
29:03
like over like there used to be just a job to
29:05
like overdub moans and stuff in porn. And like,
29:08
that's a lost art now. How do you think they
29:10
made the fuck sounds? And then with a little
29:17
spit in there too. Yeah. All right. This feels
29:20
back to like episodes one, two or three of us
29:22
recording this podcast. I mean, okay. How much
29:25
roast beef do you think you need to be like a
29:28
porno Foley artist? Just get that meat slapping
29:33
sound. Yeah. Yeah. It's the most versatile pornographic
29:38
of luncheon meats. You get audio from it. You
29:41
can do macro photography with it. I think you
29:44
can do it a lot better like spanking a ham hock
29:47
or something. I fucking spank a ham hock all
29:50
the time. I mean, like thinking about it, I don't
29:53
know that roast beef is actually. the right meat
29:58
to use. I don't think it would be either. It's
29:59
pretty dry meat. Would you be a little thin?
30:02
A little thin. It gives you the right visual,
30:04
but not the audio. Right, right. I mean, you
30:06
need something thicker so that you actually get
30:07
the... Slap? The sound. A little jiggle. That's
30:11
why I thought ham hock. That's a nice mortadella.
30:14
You know, well, yeah. Would you want it to be
30:17
like, have like the moist sound component with
30:20
it too, right? Yeah, I think turkey breast would
30:23
be good. Turkey's probably a good call. A good
30:25
thick cut. Like brined in like a saltwater solution.
30:31
Turkey breast. Hormel. Genio. Hormel. Thanks,
30:39
Freeman. Oh, man. I needed that in my life. He
30:44
does what he can. Yeah. This is why he's a returning
30:46
guest. Yeah, we know what we get. Nick Cage was
30:52
great. Yeah, I think all seven of his lines were
30:55
delivered perfectly. He was fine. So this was
30:57
my thought going in, like after watching the
31:00
film and going into this, like, did it need to
31:02
be Nick Cage? I like that it was. That's why
31:04
we watched it. But like, does he actually add
31:06
anything to the film? No, artistically, no. I
31:11
don't think it made the fictional character in
31:13
the dramatized biofilm better. So it always begs
31:17
the question then, you know, this is what Sean
31:19
and I were talking about the other day. It's
31:20
like, why did he do this movie? Right. Like I
31:23
tried to look up an interview or anything and
31:25
I, I couldn't find anything from him, but prevailing
31:27
theory is just work with Oliver Stone. Yeah.
31:30
I mean, cause he had done nine 11 with Oliver
31:32
Stone. Um, so I blocked that one out of my brain.
31:37
Nick Cage did nine 11. Uh, so yeah. Uh, so he
31:44
did that one. I'm sure it was just like, Let's
31:47
be, you know, I'm going to help my buddy out
31:49
one way or the other. I'm not sure who needed
31:50
the help at that point. But I think he had an
31:54
idea of like the type of agent he would be. And
31:59
then that's what he put into the movie. So one
32:03
of my biggest grapes about this movie was the
32:07
smoking in the federal building around all of
32:11
the equipment. That's great, too. Oh, I just
32:14
I was. I just went off at the end of the movie.
32:18
Like, why? Why? Smoking? So I looked it up. There
32:23
was a federal ban on smoking in buildings in
32:26
1997. This movie starts in 2004. But then you
32:32
don't have the drama of the cigarette smoking.
32:35
2004 is when he he started trying to army in
32:39
the army. I wasn't trying to. I was just trying
32:43
to think about when I was not allowed to smoke
32:45
indoors in Oregon anymore. Yeah. I was 21, 22.
32:51
Yeah. Here in Washington, it was like 2005 or
32:54
six. Yeah. Yeah. Because I did a bowling league
32:57
in Ballard in 2004 and it was very. Sunset Bowl.
33:00
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I miss Sunset Bowl. Yeah. Yeah.
33:03
So did I. It was a good league. Yeah. We had
33:06
a free pool Bloody Mary club on Sundays. because
33:12
it was like $1 .75 Bloody Marys. They were like
33:15
little half ones, but free pool. And we just
33:17
hang out, smoke cigarettes and drink Bloody Marys.
33:19
It was great. But why would you be smoking around
33:22
all of that historical equipment? Well, I mean,
33:25
it was a pretty old bar, but I don't know. It's
33:28
in the movie. I'm back to the movie. I'm no longer
33:31
talking about your history. I'm thinking about
33:34
the movie and my irritation. I just think of
33:38
old school geeks and just smoking and working
33:41
16 hours a day and like that they lived on cigarettes.
33:44
I agree, but it's not in the federal buildings.
33:48
I would agree. I think it's kind of fucking weird.
33:51
It took me out to have shot it that way. Yeah,
33:53
it took me out of the time frame. I was like,
33:56
what are we in the 70s or in the 80s now? Like
33:59
this just. I don't know. When we started at Washington
34:02
Mutual, there was still a smoking room inside.
34:04
And this was in 2002, 2001. And there was still
34:07
a couple of offices that the people had finally
34:10
retired, but they had like grandfathered claws
34:12
to smoke in their own office. And when those
34:15
people left, like they had a heavy scrub and
34:17
whoever got it next was just like very upset.
34:20
Like, this is not OK. It is baked in at that
34:23
point. Yeah. You don't get rid of that smell.
34:24
No. Yeah. No. That's in everything. Yeah. Yeah.
34:27
Never leaves. Oh, yeah. No. We used to like a
34:29
ghost. Yeah. Yes. Before it was banned, I had
34:32
like jackets and stuff like this is my bar jacket
34:35
because I wasn't a smoker. And yeah. Yeah. Do
34:38
you think the Atlanta airport still has that
34:41
indoor smoking room? Does Vegas still have the
34:44
cubes? in like the middle of the uh las vegas
34:47
had those big smoking cubes in the middle of
34:49
the terminals yeah i don't recall seeing those
34:53
any any time they did uh when there was the weather
34:56
storm or whatever it was a snowstorm yeah like
34:59
four or five years ago yeah uh las vegas well
35:03
a snowstorm in denver well here we got we got
35:06
detoured through vegas come on i'm a simple man
35:08
you gotta let me know we were visiting my family
35:10
in colorado oh okay and there was a huge snowstorm
35:14
And we couldn't get home. And then finally, we
35:17
we went to Vegas for a layover. We were there
35:21
for like five hours or something. Yeah. So we
35:25
wandered the airport, noticed lots of things.
35:28
We walked everywhere without leaving security
35:30
that we could. Yeah, that's true. I spend as
35:32
little time in the Vegas airport as possible.
35:35
Yeah, it's not a very fun one. Yeah, I similar
35:39
to Freeman. I end up going to the airport earlier
35:42
than I need to be usually because I'm a little
35:44
stressed out about traveling. I ain't got a family.
35:47
I mean, the Vegas airport is fucking terrible
35:49
to spend time in. So this didn't happen on our
35:53
last Vegas trip. But when Peter and I did the
35:55
Vegas half marathon with Bill, Peter and I went
35:57
to the airport. My flight was about 30 minutes
36:00
after Peter's. Peter gets on, gets an upgrade.
36:05
Yeah. I got first class. And my flight is delayed
36:07
three hours. God is good. I'm so mad about it.
36:16
Yeah. Okay. So overall, what are the thoughts
36:19
about this movie? Like I watched it. I liked
36:22
it. I felt tense through it. It was too long.
36:25
I was worried that it was going to be a slow.
36:29
burn a slog and i was i enjoyed the whole thing
36:32
front to back i didn't there were parts of it
36:35
that i'm like we didn't need but none of it felt
36:36
like none of it took me out of it none of it
36:38
bored me um the only thing that really took me
36:40
out of it there were two things one was the overuse
36:43
of music cues to like try and amp up the drama
36:46
i'm like this could have just had a silent background
36:47
and i would not and i wouldn't have thought twice
36:49
about it but because we got this sappy ass music
36:51
here i'm thinking about that shitty music and
36:53
now i'm kind of like meh i care it wasn't that
36:56
sad and then just every scene just had background
37:01
music for no reason yeah and the second thing
37:03
that really took me out of the film was joseph
37:05
gordon levitt um i think he's a great actor i
37:07
think he was great in this i just can't not see
37:10
him like i never see him disappear in a role
37:12
it's just here's joseph gordon levitt and that's
37:15
a personal thing but i find him distracting Was
37:19
he in Looper or was that Shia LaBeouf? He was
37:20
Looper. It could have been Shia LaBeouf. Sorry,
37:25
what if Shia LaBeouf had gotten the Snowden role?
37:27
Better or worse? Way worse. You sure about that?
37:30
Way worse. Just do it! Leak the information!
37:36
Do it! What did you guys think? Systems engineer
37:44
guy myself. It's always fun to kind of see the
37:47
super nerds and see them succeeding and racing
37:50
forward and kind of getting praise for their
37:55
abilities to do more than others. So that part,
38:01
I really kind of appreciate it. And, you know,
38:05
it makes you want to kind of be like them. How
38:08
true or not it was, I really appreciated the
38:10
leaning into like the fact that Snowden just
38:13
wanted to get the information out there and that
38:15
he wasn't trying to be a hero or a villain or
38:19
anything. He just felt like people needed to
38:21
learn about this and come to their own conclusions.
38:25
um and that it wasn't like a get rich thing or
38:27
anything else and he wasn't trying to absolve
38:30
for any sins or anything like that he's just
38:32
like look like like this is going on people need
38:35
to be aware that uh that this is happening and
38:38
some of that almost makes me think you know maybe
38:40
that might have some uh truth as to why or some
38:43
explanation as to why you like nick cage might
38:45
want to take a role in a movie like this like
38:47
you wouldn't want to be part of telling that
38:49
story right right real altruistic motivation
38:53
or you know it's always been presented that way
38:55
yeah so yeah we really don't have much reason
38:58
to doubt it like he he knew he was gonna be like
39:02
never able to come back to america it also makes
39:05
you think though if he's such a good super nerd
39:07
like what good work has he been doing for russia
39:09
uh since he's been there yep yep it's fair yeah
39:13
there's got to be some like back scratching like
39:16
i was just uh watching some interviews with oliver
39:19
stone who you know met snowden worked with him
39:24
to make the movie and like interviewed him several
39:27
times to like write the script and uh hearing
39:31
him talk about edward snowden like when edward
39:34
snowden did this he didn't necessarily anticipate
39:36
even living beyond this because his plan was
39:40
to get to south america and when he was laid
39:42
over in russia america like pulled his passport
39:45
so he just can't leave he is stranded in In Russia,
39:49
if he had made it to Brazil, do you think he
39:52
would have gotten like a hot new face or a butt
39:55
lift? Yeah. Yeah. Snowden with a big old Brazilian
39:58
butt lift. But just fucking cake. Yeah, man.
40:02
That'd be so cool. Lindsay Mills just bouncing
40:04
on it. I'm burying her face in it because it's
40:07
Brazil. Just do it. That's true. But Elizabeth,
40:11
what did you think of this movie? I think for
40:15
me. It brought back a lot of memories from when
40:20
this actually happened. I didn't realize how
40:24
much this storyline actually affected my personal
40:27
career. I mean, there was a lot of data privacy
40:31
things already in the books, already happening.
40:34
GDPR was already, the General Data Protection
40:37
Regulation, which is in the EU, better known
40:40
as GDPR, was already underway. Legally codified.
40:48
Yes. Yet. But they were working on it. But his
40:52
statements about where the government is deciding
40:56
things on behalf of people, assuming that they
41:00
know what's best. And that's a storyline that's
41:03
happening today. Right. Like, we know what's
41:07
best for you. We know what's best for you with
41:08
your data. And most people just are not educated.
41:13
So for me, it was like, yeah. That's still happening.
41:16
Still happening. And I honestly, I don't know
41:19
what the answer would be. It's a little complicated
41:22
and I don't think a lot of people really care.
41:25
Right. That whole line with like, well, I'm not
41:28
doing anything so they can watch me. I've got
41:31
nothing to hide. I've got nothing to hide. Right.
41:33
Yeah. And you're just like, oh, if you only knew
41:37
what they were doing with your data. But so,
41:40
you know, I think it's still a lot of the topics
41:43
are still very relevant for today. The movie
41:46
overall, it was too long. It just felt so long.
41:50
We paused an hour in and I was like, are you
41:52
kidding me? There's an hour left of this movie.
41:57
And I feel like they really took their time with
42:00
the middle part of the movie, which I think could
42:03
have been condensed. And they could have spent
42:06
a little bit more time on him getting trapped
42:09
in Moscow. And what happened with that and some
42:11
of the the press and all of that and how people
42:14
were actually reacting to what he did. I felt
42:17
like that was really glossed over. Yeah, because
42:19
he was fairly maligned in America after it happened.
42:22
Like they kind of give you some broad strokes
42:26
of like, oh, you know, he he's a bad human being,
42:30
says Obama and things like that. Yeah. But it
42:34
doesn't really kind of give you the full feeling
42:37
of. what the general conversation about him was
42:41
in mainstream media. Like, how did he feel about
42:44
getting trapped in Moscow? How did he feel about
42:46
having to make a new life there? Like, what did
42:50
Lindsay feel about him getting trapped there?
42:54
Right. Like that was missing. If you really want
42:58
me to connect with them and the story, give me
43:01
a little bit more about how they feel about where
43:04
they are now that that was missing. I could use
43:07
a follow up. Yeah. Him with a single tear. Just
43:11
my butt was going to be so big. And I feel like
43:16
I mean, I feel like that's true with most like
43:19
based on real events. Dramatizations is, you
43:21
know, there's that balance of reality versus
43:24
character. And I find a lot movies like this
43:27
tend to be really dry in that sense where they
43:29
don't necessarily engage you so much on the character
43:31
when they're trying to get the facts correct.
43:33
So I would have also liked to care about these
43:35
people more personally. and that is a much more
43:38
interesting story like where kind of the aftermath
43:41
of all of this just just a little bit more of
43:43
the aftermath i think would have made it a little
43:46
less hunting and yeah talking about hunting and
43:53
the slowness in the middle and a little more
43:55
action at the end because it was there was a
43:59
lot of media attention there was a i'm sure he
44:02
had so many thoughts and feelings and we don't
44:04
get any of it right we get him in a room hiding
44:07
out and then on a plane and then in another room
44:10
giving his little end speech right like yeah
44:14
they cut out the boat chase scene that really
44:16
disappointed me because i love a boat chase I
44:19
just assume there's always a boat chase that
44:21
got cut out of films. They cut out the scene
44:23
where him and Nicolas Cage switch faces. Oh,
44:26
yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Right. They've had that
44:28
technology for so long. I do have to say during
44:31
the hunting scene, I for I don't know why, but
44:35
I went my mind went to the story of Dick Cheney
44:37
shooting his partner in the face. Yes. And I
44:39
was like, so just waiting for someone to get
44:41
blasted or maybe even snowed, even though it
44:43
wasn't part of the real story. I was just like,
44:45
give me give me someone to drama. Same, same.
44:47
And when the rest of like the hunting party came
44:50
over the ridge, I was like, are we just are we
44:51
going to have a shootout? Or is there going to
44:53
be an accident? It felt like that for sure. It
44:56
really did. This movie definitely needed something
44:58
actiony. I think I think that was there between.
45:02
Yeah, there's just a couple of scenes where it
45:04
felt like something really dramatic was going
45:06
to happen. But because you knew it was a documentary
45:09
that that wasn't part of the story. So then it
45:12
just I don't know. It left me kind of like feel
45:16
like they were setting up for something that
45:18
wasn't there. I thought it was an all right movie.
45:21
I mean, I enjoyed watching it. It was long. Yeah,
45:24
it didn't really. thrill me it made me paranoid
45:28
made me really upset um i am excited about trying
45:34
to go a whole month without watching porno i'd
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still whack off i'm gonna like let's be real
45:41
i am still whacking off everybody but i'm gonna
45:45
try to get off everybody i'm just gonna use where's
45:47
mine my imagination imagination yeah i'm just
45:50
imagining did i did i black out again no more
45:53
no more porn Just for one month. I don't know.
45:57
We'll find a cool no nut November kind of name
45:59
for like manual. March? March or something. I
46:04
mean, it's always manual, right? Like I don't
46:06
have a cool robot. So we're trying to find it.
46:09
When we get the right name, we'll assign it to
46:11
a month. Like this could not happen until September.
46:15
Why aren't you watching porn? Huh? Because I
46:18
don't want the government to know my pornos.
46:22
But I'm not doing this until I have a clever
46:24
like alliteration. Just watch them at the library.
46:26
Oh, like all the other homeless people? Fucking
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Seattle library. I have to go back. I have a,
46:32
oh, I have a inspection at the Seattle, the Beacon
46:35
Library this week. So I just put in some chargers
46:38
there. So I'll make sure to dive in for a quick.
46:41
You got to bring your little privacy film. I
46:43
won't. You know, people from the side. I'm going
46:45
to use a magnifying glass. Like one of those
46:48
screen magnifiers for the people in the back.
46:52
I'm bringing my own speakers. You're an actual
46:54
criminal. Bring in some clip speakers to hook
46:58
up. And a subwoofer so that they get the whole
47:02
like turkey slapping feel. Oh my god. Okay. Cranberry
47:10
sauce in the middle. There you go. You gotta
47:14
have some slop. You really get it working. Then
47:18
you need something to show like... You could
47:21
have gone with gravy, man. Yeah, gravy's much
47:23
better. Gravy doesn't have that gelatinous pull
47:26
kind of feel. It gives a better suction. You
47:28
need that sucking. You need the sucking sound
47:31
of the cranberry sauce coming out of the can.
47:33
Sean knows how to beat off to food noises. So
47:37
this Thanksgiving, I'm really looking forward
47:38
to being with my family. You are all monsters.
47:43
You said the cranberry as a as a like a fleshlight.
47:46
Yeah, I'll bring dessert next. We've got the
47:51
movie Arsenal, which is a cream pie. Oh, no.
47:55
Fuck off. This week in cage, we got a spider.
47:59
We got a spider noir trailer. Yeah, the spider
48:02
noir. Did you guys watch it? yeah i saw a trailer
48:05
uh during the olympics like i was sitting at
48:09
the bar and the olympics are on and all of a
48:10
sudden i saw spider noir trailer and i was like
48:13
i was slapping lance and i'm like yeah it looks
48:18
awesome i'm gonna i'm still definitely watching
48:20
it in black and white oh at least on the first
48:22
go wait you're not gonna watch it in real hue
48:24
real hue sounds pretty good too i would like
48:27
it if it was just like uh old colorized photography
48:31
Like some some nerd had to go through every cell,
48:33
every cell and like with colored pencils kind
48:37
of shaded in. That's history, baby. I am shocked
48:41
to say this looks like it might be quality. I
48:44
was expecting this to look a lot worse. I mean,
48:46
I was going to watch it. I was going to enjoy
48:48
it no matter what. But this feels like something
48:50
I'm actually going to enjoy more than like be
48:52
able to rag on as much as I was hoping. Yeah.
48:54
And it looks like it's got some real quality
48:56
like. cage out moments and stuff for sure yeah
48:59
it should be really fun i'm looking forward to
49:02
it that that's what march comes out march may
49:05
i think it starts with a may masturbation may
49:08
yeah yeah masturbation mental mental how you
49:14
get up the maple that just sounds too much like
49:16
menstruation may yeah we'll get there yeah we'll
49:18
figure it out check back next time anyway elizabeth
49:22
freeman thank you for being here thank you for
49:25
having us indeed All right. Next up, we've got
49:27
the movie Arsenal, which is the return of Nick
49:29
Cage as Eddie King, his character that he played
49:31
in Deadfall. Yes. So I think it's a prequel because
49:35
he got friolated. So it's a prequel and a sequel.
49:39
There's no reason for this movie. Yeah, I don't
49:43
know. It's going to be fun. I think my brother's
49:44
going to be our guest for that. So that'll be
49:46
good. All right. So thank you to our sparkle
49:51
buddies, Josh, Josie, Matt, Adam, Bill, Stuart,
49:53
and Willow. And to our cage dancers, John Freeman,
49:56
Nathan, and Cameron. Hey Freeman. That's it.
50:03
Do you need me to get some deli meats? I don't
50:07
know. Can I kiss that ham? I want to kiss that
50:12
ham. Don't touch that dog. His head topples to
50:21
the floor, expressionless. You fall to your knees
50:25
and catch your breath. You're finally safe from
50:30
Shia LaBeouf. my house heat just came on. I'm
50:45
going to go turn that off because it will just
50:46
be like a background noise thing. Yeah. What
50:49
just came on? Don't be funny. Do you want us
50:51
to take a second so you can get clean house noise
50:53
air? It's warmer in here. Because the house heats
51:01
on. We're going to fix that. Don't ever stop
51:03
taking clothes off, though. Oh, we've changed.
51:07
We're a strip podcast now. Yeah. I was unaware.
51:10
Yeah. Sorry. This is happening. It's only Freeman
51:13
rules, though. Oh, OK. Yeah. So it's actually
51:16
best for everybody. It's either all my clothes
51:18
or none of my clothes. Yep. We're going to get
51:21
you. I'm not wearing pants. I'm not wearing pants.
51:23
You're usually not wearing pants, though, unless
51:25
it's a smart pantsuit. Just Winnie the Pooh -ing
51:28
or what? Wouldn't you like to find out? Want
51:31
me to stand up? No. No, thank you. Casual pass.
51:35
Sean's going to get up and go get some more hot
51:37
water in the kitchen and we'll all just get a
51:38
moonshot. Whoa! Very nice. Very nice.