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Vampire's Kiss vs Color Out of Space · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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  Oh, God. Oh, my God.
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  She just likes being the face of the cast.
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  Yeah, that's a I'm the.
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  I mean, you literally are the only one on camera.
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  That's true.
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  If it makes you all feel better, we can turn our cameras off, too.
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  Well, if it makes you feel better, I'm naked.
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  So that's it. No, that's how we record.
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  Usually we just do this for posterity sake and like propriety.
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  Yeah, I don't know.
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  Me and Donnie just like to watch.
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  Just like Craig.
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  Craig listens to Craig.
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  That's right. He doesn't have eyes.
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  Do you guys find that now that you've done this for any amount of time,
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  the only gifts you are ever given by loved ones are Nicolas Cage themed?
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  God, yes.
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  I think I've only received like one or two Nicolas Cage gifts,
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  but I'm not very loved.
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  So I have two pillows, two picolas cage ornaments.
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  Nipple cage.
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  I have a nipple cage card.
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  Oh, my God.
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  I have the two pillow.
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  No, three pillows, one hand towel,
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  the pants, a Nicolas Cage sweater
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  with his face on a bunch of cats and the the picolas
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  cage ornament plus a picolas cage ornament.
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  I like that.
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  What does picolas cage look like?
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  I'm guessing he has just some real juicy cake.
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  Just dump truck. Yeah, he is.
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  Big old fucking ass.
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  This is just how he looked when he was in his 50s.
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  You know, he was pretty fickle at that time.
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  He was thick at that point.
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  Well, thank you all for being on here.
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  You know, you guys have one over on us and that you're all actually in the same room,
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  something that we never do.
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  But we're also all in Washington state.
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  That's profound.
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  So at this point, have you guys covered every two date
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  Nick Cage movie that you just mentioned?
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  We went chronological, unfortunately.
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  Cowards.
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  We started five years ago.
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  So yeah, that must create like a real like unfortunate.
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  I don't know, season three or four.
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  Like when you really just get into like the tax time,
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  you pay the ghost and shit like that.
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  You can equate it really to Return of the King,
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  where it's like at the very end when they're all sitting in the pub,
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  it's like you've been and seen shit that these people will never experience
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  in their lives and you are forever changed and bonded.
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  That's the third one, right?
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  Yes, that is the finale of the.
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  Yeah, I always got like halfway through reading the Twin Towers and then like
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  episode six, Return of the King. Yeah.
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  Right. That's right.
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  So I have a question because Nick and I talk about this constantly.
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  Can you guys watch other media and have it not be weird and have it not be weird?
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  I thought it was going to be about dicks.
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  It's always not. I mean, yeah.
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  Can you can you think about any other dick than Nick Cage?
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  Whenever I watch a non Nick Cage movie now,
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  I'm very confused as to why Nick Cage isn't in it. Yeah.
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  I mean, we're kind of getting points with that with some movies
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  where it's like, you know, Nicholas Cage would have been fun in this one.
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  Not usually confused.
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  Sometimes just grateful. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Like watching that god awful.
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  I think it was like season three of American Horror Story with Kathy Bates.
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  I love Kathy Bates. She's one of my favorite actresses.
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  But I thought like if they really had balls,
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  they would have had Nicholas Cage play Madame Lallari.
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  You already own her mansion. Why not?
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  That would be nice.
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  They wouldn't even have to like get him to leave home for a shooting episode.
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  Yeah, exactly. He'd feel real comfortable.
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  He'd just be shooting in his slippers.
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  Like the retirement plan. Yeah.
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  Look, you're going to need to hit at least five million dollars
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  for him to put shoes on.
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  That seems to be the going rate. Seven for pants.
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  I like to imagine that you hit five million.
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  It's like, OK, he's got shoes.
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  We're not really, really ready to prepare or like to splurge on pants.
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  It's in his writer.
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  The extra two million is for me to take the shoes off to put the pants on.
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  Oh, yeah. Right.
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  That's how he gets you.
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  He films in the wild, so don't tell him that he's filming.
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  This is truffle pig.
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  So I know this is something that like you're like, oh, yeah,
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  yeah, so I know this is something that like you only have to.
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  You have to see to appreciate.
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  But we bought these mic stands fairly recently.
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  And I'm really loving the fact that Sean's the only one that's so short
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  that it's like pointed down at him.
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  And it looks like he struggles to like lift his head to speak.
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  Like you need to get the yellow pages for Sean to sit on.
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  I am on a very tall stool. I'm not this big.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I have you guys watch that the best times.
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  The what? The TV pilot he did in 81 with the Crispin Glover
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  and Frickin Jackie Mason.
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  No, we have not watched this.
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  This is real. It's all on YouTube.
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  It's probably the only place you could see it.
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  How long is it? It's an hour long.
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  It's a TV pilot.
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  We're going to we're going to check back with you guys in an hour.
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  Wait here.
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  We'll be back.
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  No, that sounds fucking amazing.
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  Yeah, I love it. Terrible.
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  Oh, it is. It's terrible.
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  You see what I'm saying? Look out.
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  Here comes Nick. Exactly.
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  Yeah, it's like an after school special from the 80s.
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  Like written by kids for kids.
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  Oh, my God. Kids are so dumb.
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  Yeah, they're the worst.
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  They don't know shit.
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  And so is this show.
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  OK, speaking of things that are absolutely the worst.
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  Welcome back to Cage Match.
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  Colon around about meeting Nicolas Cage.
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  I'm Sean here with my cohost Nick.
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  I'm Nick and our producer Peter. Hello.
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  And we have three special guests this week.
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  Why don't you guys introduce yourselves and tell us what you do
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  and what you're from?
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  Well, yeah, tell us who you are and why.
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  Don't tell them your name, Linda.
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  We're going to talk the shit out of everyone.
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  My social security number is my greatest fear.
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  And our podcast isn't it always
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  that'll work for when our generation's blue hairs will just tell us
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  we're on a podcast.
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  And yeah, my name is Linda.
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  I Linda Castro.
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  I am from all we three are from cages.
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  Kiss the Nicholas Cage podcast.
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  Yeah, long running.
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  You guys have been around since, what, 2017?
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  I'm not. It only feels like, you know, 2019.
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  Yeah, that makes more sense.
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  2010, 25.
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  We've. Yeah, whatever.
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  It all blends.
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  COVID happened in there.
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  That counts for 10 plus.
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  Time stopped in 2020.
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  Haven't we been doing this forever?
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  Like I'm stuffed for me after the rock.
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  That one's Donnie.
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  I'm Adrian. Yeah.
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  Hello, I am Donnie from Arby's.
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  Well, it's better than the boy who blew on Pornhub,
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  which is still going strong, apparently.
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  You have to elaborate on what the fuck that is.
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  Explanations, please.
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  Yeah, you're right in my queue zone.
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  I got to hear about that.
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  We did an episode on the boy in blue.
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  Oh, the greasy bottom boys.
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  Yes. And I may have had a few drinks.
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  We bought every disc on Amazon, apparently.
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  Yeah.
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  One of the reasons it cost over $60 on Amazon.
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  I may have had a few drinkies and a few drinky poos.
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  And I suddenly came up with the boy who blew
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  and that led to the creation of a fan made the boy who blew Pornhub.
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  Incredible.
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  Which for a while, we told people, please, full of a God,
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  don't find us and don't join us.
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  But people be people.
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  How about you, Adrian?
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  But people be people.
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  How popular is that channel now?
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  I don't want to know.
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  It's always weird when you pull up Pornhub and you're in a room
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  and like, you know, you're pulling up Pornhub.
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  But then first thing, it's like, boom, naked lady or dude, whatever.
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  And it's like, oh, I can't let people see it.
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  Like, no, wait, that's what I'm here for.
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  Yeah. The boy who blew.
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  Yeah. I mean, it's weird that you're not in the library doing it, but sure.
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  Oh, man. Public libraries.
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  Benjamin Franklin Gates, what are you doing?
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  I was going to say, did one of your dogs just give a guffaw?
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  That's my that's Benjamin Franklin Gates. OK.
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  Also, since we lost that audio, thank you, Alison, for naming my dog.
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  OK. Oh, burglary.
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  Do you think they were cool crime jackets?
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  I assume they were butt naked.
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  Nice. With a black domino mask.
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  You can't steal nothing unless you got the black domino mask.
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  Yeah, you're right. You understand crime.
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  Crime and criminals and criminals.
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  Yeah. OK. Learned everything I know from swipers.
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  No swiping.
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  This podcast, we take my dog is
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  we take your dog out back.
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  Yeah. No, he's only a puppy.
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  He didn't shit on the ground.
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  Yeah, we take 64 in a cage movies,
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  a bracket style, and we're going to decide what the best cage movie is
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  is decided by Nick and me and the goalposts moves every episode.
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  Yeah, that's pretty accurate.
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  We are in the round of 32, which gets us to our slicks teen.
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  Thirsty to I don't know.
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  It's too much work. That was thirsty.
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  God, you can really hear the dog drinking on these microphones.
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  Get it, Ben.
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  So color out of space.
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  You know, so we've now watched these movies twice for the show.
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  So it's kind of been an interesting experience
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  going through all these and seeing them again.
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  I don't know if you guys have really done a ton of extensive
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  rewatching on any of these movies.
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  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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  This one we watched twice because we did a commentary once
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  and then we did the for real episode.
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  And today I just re listened to our episode being like, OK, what was
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  what do we say?
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  We write down some jokes.
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  Yeah, they're fresh now.
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  We don't know them. Yeah, that's true.
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  Well, I'm going to save you guys some time.
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  I'm not going to read it to you like I did to these two. So.
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  OK, so so you've watched these movies a fair,
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  fair handful of times, a fistful of cages.
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  What when rewatching this, like, say for this episode or
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  or just re listening to your own podcast to catch your own jokes and laugh again.
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  I do do that. Yeah, I know.
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  Do you do you find new things about it?
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  Like, well, I don't know about you guys, but I have a really shitty memory
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  when it comes to movies.
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  So it's oh, I just have a really shitty memory for reasons.
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  Sandwich reasons. Yeah.
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  Take a dump, Ben.
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  Sorry, Benjamin Franklin Gates just took a big well, I mean,
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  big for a puppy dump on his little puppy pad thing.
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  This puppy. He did do it.
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  Is he going to eat it? Eat it.
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  I'll be right back. You got to talk for me.
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  I think Ben gave his commentary.
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  That's the national treasure right there.
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  You were saying something smarter than I was talking about dog shit.
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  I doubt it.
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  We actually I got a reminder a couple of days ago that was like, hey,
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  remember this day so many years ago?
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  And it was from when I saw this movie in the theater.
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  And I was like, oh, hey, this is a great timing.
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  That's nice.
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  I'm amazed you've seen it in the theater.
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  I feel like nobody went and actually watched this in the theaters.
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  Yeah, they gave it a crummy release.
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  Like they do that a lot.
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  But it but it actually played in the North American box office,
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  which most the cage movies of the 2010s didn't do.
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  They just ship them to Eastern Europe and the United Arab Emirates for some reason.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I got it.
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  It did get an international theatrical release.
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  It's just it just it didn't get as big in North America releases should have.
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  Yeah. I don't know if that was just because the distribution or Richard Stanley,
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  because he's he's kind of been that way with some of his films.
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  They haven't really gotten a lot of big, big releases.
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  I mean, well, he also hasn't done anything since Island, the Doctor Moreau.
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  Really? So he's like your ultimate cult director for that.
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  You know, like all this stuff's super obscure.
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  Yeah, I don't know if you all were aware of this, but there is
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  and the only format you can get this in because, well, of course, cassette tape.
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  There is a audiobook version of The Color Out of Space,
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  which is read by Richard Stanley.
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  No freaking way. Yeah.
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  You're fucking dog, man.
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  He's a puppy.
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  He's a popper.
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  Chouin is a declaration of independence.
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  Oh, my God.
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  I really hope so.
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  If only I did actually try and find like a chewable declaration of independence for him.
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  But well, you just need to get like one of the squeaky newspaper toys
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  and just write declarations.
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  He's a dog.
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  Actually, you don't even need to write anything on it.
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  He's the dog. You can't read. That's true.
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  Is that against the law to lie to a dog?
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  I think you can lie to dogs.
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  I think dogs should be allowed to vote.
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  You know, it's better than the current system we have.
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  Yeah. But no, I've watched this a couple of times because I love
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  love of horror movies, but even more so, I really appreciate
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  a lot of Lovecraftian style films because it's its own kind of subgenre
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  and they can either be done really well or just you're better off
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  not having seen it before.
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  It's really an 85 15 split.
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  It really is. Yeah.
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  I remember hearing about this movie coming out about a year before it came out.
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  And I remember being real excited because this is my favorite Lovecraft story.
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  A lot of Lovecraft is not fun to read, but this one actually read pretty well.
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  Sometimes a little bit racist.
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  It was actually Color Out of Space that changed my mind on whether or not
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  Nick Cage was a good actor and gave me the initial idea to do this podcast.
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  I honestly liked him and his character in this.
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  And I liked his kind of slow transition, but he still had that caginess of
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  I'm going to do a really fucking amazing accent with this character.
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  I like how like his craziness just involves him
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  just changing every affectation about himself.
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  And if I remember correctly, I think Linda had mentioned it
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  when we watched the movie, too.
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  He based the character voice on his father.
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  Yes, that's that was my theory, because he he will in
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  Vampire's Kiss.
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  He said that he based that voice off of his his father,
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  who was a literary professor.
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  And in this, he's talking about how he never wants to be his father.
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  And when he's like pretending to be his father, he uses the same Peter Low voice.
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  And I think with a lot of Cage films, you can have you.
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  You get an appreciation for the efficient auto that this man puts
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  behind the word fuck that nobody really can top.
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  I mean, true, has she kind of comes close to it?
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  It's fun.
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  But Cage just makes it artistic.
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  Dead falls. Wonderful.
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  Yeah. Dead.
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  Oh, fuck.
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  I just I was really excited for this movie because I mean, it's it's
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  HP Lovecraft done right for once.
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  And you have Richard Stanley.
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  I mean, my God, that if there were ever a director
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  that is like on the same level as Cage in the craziness factor,
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  I you know, it's like a match made in heaven.
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  It's still a shame that because he had a trilogy of films planned out
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  and then immediately got canceled after this movie.
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  Yeah. Well, he had like some abuse allegations.
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  Who does it now?
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  He got canceled.
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  Well, the movie got canceled because he got.
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  Right. They went down together.
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  Well, if you just change your name, nobody can catch up with you
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  and just constantly.
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  Yeah, I'm Stan Richards.
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  Not to do that.
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  Let's go ahead with that trilogy.
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  Like he did on the island of Doc Moro when he pretended to be an extra on the film.
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  That's true.
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  We've lost a lot of good movies, unfortunately, to not even like
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  stuff like that, but just people in general just kind of
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  dropping in headlines because I know those also.
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  I still really have hope one day we might actually get it,
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  but I know it won't happen.
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  Guillermo de Toro's in the mountains madness.
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  He's he's completely said he's done chasing that dream.
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  Yeah. And I know I remember he first said he did when of all things,
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  he saw the movie Prometheus and he's like, yeah, I can't do my movie now.
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  This movie kind of did that.
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  I'm like, please don't say that.
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  Prometheus doesn't deserve that.
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  No, I think this is a really nice movie.
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  It's not even just the director, the cast, the music, which is beautiful.
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  This just the color gradation.
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  Absolutely. And how things slowly degrade throughout.
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  It was just such a beautiful, beautiful transition where it wasn't rushed.
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  I'm always astounded every time I watch this movie about just
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  how good it looks on the budget.
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  Yeah. How beautiful the CG and all of it.
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  Definitely.
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  No, it's all tasteful because everybody who worked on it was doing films
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  in the 80s, you know, so like everybody, everybody
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  actually knew what a movie looked like.
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  They had to solve their problems without CGI.
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  It's just, yeah.
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  Well, and I love that it's it's not maybe not horror and like the usual like,
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  I don't know, like a slasher flick or necessarily a monster flick way,
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  but it's just purely unsettling.
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  Absolutely. Tension building and gross.
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  Yeah. The the villain, the enemy is always kind of unknown in this one,
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  which is a nice change unless you want to say that weird praying mantis is the baddie.
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  You don't want a villain with a quotable name like Bye Bye Man
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  turning up in every movie.
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  Why wouldn't you want that every time?
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  I mean, it is good. It's best for marketing.
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  I do market just a color T-Mobile.
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  Oh, my God.
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  Well, it's interesting.
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  I know in my art school days, I always thought, how would I adapt
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  this story if I wanted to adapt into something like how do you
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  how do you make a color scary and how do you make it?
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  How do you depict an unknowable color in a color medium?
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  Magenta. Magenta.
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  Yeah. Yeah. The most effective to me was those ice cubes.
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  Like any time you saw that where he was pouring his whiskey or whatever.
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  Bourbon bourbon enthusiast.
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  Buck Scotch says this guy.
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  Local bourbon drunk. Yeah.
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  Maybe saw something. We don't know.
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  I never said that.
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  Tommy Chong, Tommy Chong.
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  He is in this movie.
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  His fucking like little mon recorded monologue at the end is still so good.
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  And so, yeah, the sped up slowed down audio.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  It makes me want to get a reel to reel just so I can leave notes.
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  It's just a color.
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  But it burns.
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  I mean, he could be reading Dr.
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  Seuss and still like with those effects, it's the creepiest goddamn thing in the world.
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  Does anyone have a child's book with us right now?
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  Like, can we read something and then speed up and slow down?
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  It would only be appropriate for you to have a child's book.
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  That's true. Yeah.
• 20:09
  I do not have a children's book.
• 20:11
  I've already brought up Pornhub on my phone.
• 20:13
  I'm not allowed to touch children's books for 12 hours.
• 20:16
  They'll put you on a list of you. Yeah.
• 20:18
  Yeah. That next knock is Chris Hansen.
• 20:22
  I have Charlie the Choo Choo.
• 20:24
  If you're familiar with that, that is not essentially a child's book,
• 20:28
  but it kind of is.
• 20:31
  Does it read like an old Thomas the Tank Engine story
• 20:35
  where they just brick up a train in a abandoned tunnel to make him watch forever?
• 20:42
  Kind of. Yes. OK.
• 20:44
  And if you look at the cover, there's kids that look like they're having a good time,
• 20:47
  but they're actually screaming. Oh, perfect.
• 20:49
  This is something that was made off of.
• 20:52
  I think it was the Dark Tower series. Yeah. Yeah.
• 20:55
  Nick Cage is the gunslinger. Oh, I want this.
• 20:58
  Oh, man. That would have been so beautiful.
• 21:02
  What? You don't want to keep Matthew McConaughey.
• 21:04
  We don't. He could still be the man in black.
• 21:07
  No, Nick Cage would be a great gunslinger, would be a great Roland.
• 21:12
  I mean, I love Idris Elba, but I mean,
• 21:15
  he's hard to beat. Nicholas Cage.
• 21:18
  Yeah. I mean, we saw it in Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance. Yeah.
• 21:22
  Sorry. Spirit of Vengeance.
• 21:24
  Vengeance. Vengeance.
• 21:27
  Miami is Eastern Europe, the country.
• 21:33
  That's pretty accurate.
• 21:34
  This is a really surprising movie.
• 21:36
  I was really glad that it wasn't one of those recipes for disaster.
• 21:39
  And it was something that kind of in a funny way,
• 21:41
  I felt people started to take Cage a little seriously with it.
• 21:45
  And that kind of because you had like this and what we had pig after.
• 21:49
  And there are people like, oh, my God, he's not actually full on crazy all the time.
• 21:52
  He actually can do stuff.
• 21:54
  No, this is like
• 21:55
  right kind of when we're getting into what we call like the cage of songs,
• 21:58
  where he has his third or fourth act of his career,
• 22:03
  probably fourth, because the third would be the tax of the tax years.
• 22:08
  Yeah. And now we're in his final stages.
• 22:11
  I think we're like in fifth now with like scenario and.
• 22:14
  I hate a five act.
• 22:15
  We're nearing his final form.
• 22:17
  Oh, we'll get a six act.
• 22:18
  That's true. Prestige television. Right.
• 22:21
  Yeah. Do you think they'll be there'll be another trash fire in between then?
• 22:24
  And now do you think there'll be another kill chain?
• 22:26
  Yeah. Oh, of course.
• 22:27
  I mean, statistically speaking.
• 22:29
  Well, we do have that new horror movie he's supposed to be a part of to coming out.
• 22:33
  Oh, Long Legs.
• 22:34
  Also, the surfer, whatever that is, that's not going to be great.
• 22:37
  Oh, come on. That sounds awesome.
• 22:39
  I don't know. Surfer looks good.
• 22:40
  I don't know anything about it.
• 22:42
  Oh, but yeah, I feel like this is it's a beautiful movie.
• 22:46
  It's really unsettling and strong acting, especially from the kids like as like Jack.
• 22:53
  I mean, he's so young.
• 22:55
  He he's like, I don't know.
• 22:57
  I feel like it's always a grab bag with kids like who knows,
• 23:00
  you know, how they're how well they're going to do.
• 23:02
  Yeah. Most of the time, it's going to be awful, right?
• 23:04
  Yeah, because they're kids and they suck.
• 23:06
  Yeah, they're bad.
• 23:07
  I don't know how to act.
• 23:09
  Kids bad cops bad.
• 23:12
  Yeah, OK. Nicholas Cage. Good. Good. Yeah.
• 23:15
  All right. We got we got we got our bearings.
• 23:18
  That's our first T-shirt. Yeah.
• 23:20
  Kids bad cops bad. Nicholas Cage. Good. Yeah.
• 23:24
  Yeah, we do need some merch.
• 23:25
  Yeah, I'm still saying Garland Green did nothing wrong.
• 23:29
  Perfect cage match.
• 23:30
  Garland Green 2024.
• 23:33
  Yeah, Garland Green did nothing wrong.
• 23:36
  Except for when he's a lieutenant, then he's bad.
• 23:38
  It's in the title, people come on.
• 23:41
  Battle Lieutenant Port of Call.
• 23:43
  New Orleans, New Orleans has kind of a similar arc to Vampire's Kiss
• 23:47
  in terms of how.
• 23:49
  Over the top, he gets by the end.
• 23:50
  Don't transition to Vampire's Kiss yet.
• 23:53
  And don't put those two movies in the same sentence.
• 23:56
  One of them is pure gold, and the other one is.
• 23:59
  I do miss a guanavision.
• 24:02
  You get that movie's name out your mouth.
• 24:04
  Oh, I'm a big
• 24:08
  Abo Ferrera fan, so it gave me the help.
• 24:10
  Why was his soul a black guy?
• 24:13
  It's like the reverse Darth Vader.
• 24:15
  I guess.
• 24:18
  No, I do love this movie, and I do love that.
• 24:20
  It's it is like a little ridiculous as well.
• 24:24
  I mean, they have like I mean, he's milking alpacas.
• 24:27
  Got to get it hot from the teeth.
• 24:29
  Drinks it straight from from the boob.
• 24:31
  From the boob.
• 24:35
  One of the great things about this, though, is Cage has done so many movies
• 24:38
  with the family shit just sort of shoehorned in there
• 24:40
  because he wants to have dad moments, dad, kid moments.
• 24:43
  And in this one, he's a dad who becomes unhinged and says hurtful
• 24:46
  shit to his kids. It's such a plus.
• 24:48
  It's so real.
• 24:50
  Just like mom and dad.
• 24:54
  I bet Weston was watching this like too close, man.
• 24:57
  Or Weston.
• 25:01
  That's OK, Weston.
• 25:03
  You're the voodoo child.
• 25:06
  Why can't it be more like your brother, Jor-El? Yeah.
• 25:11
  Which one is the like bodyguard looking one and which one is not?
• 25:15
  Weston's the one that Sean made fun of for being fat.
• 25:18
  Oh, OK. Weston is who I was thinking of to then.
• 25:21
  He's the fat metal kid. Yeah.
• 25:23
  This is kind of like Exorcist three for me, where it's like when you've seen it
• 25:27
  and you know that scene that comes up eventually with the nurse
• 25:29
  in the hallway and the shears, you know, it's coming.
• 25:32
  It's still creepy.
• 25:34
  I still get the same vibes in this when you have the wife,
• 25:36
  when she's just losing it and at the cutting board.
• 25:39
  Oh, yeah. I can't watch that scene.
• 25:41
  Going and going.
• 25:44
  I forgot the series of events towards the end.
• 25:48
  When shit's going off, he kills the mom, son monster,
• 25:53
  goes down, has a drink with his family, watches some TV,
• 25:56
  gets shot in the back by the sheriff, by the sheriff,
• 26:00
  but comes back to life to try and kill Howard to kill Ward Ward.
• 26:05
  Yeah. Is his name Howard Howard? Howard.
• 26:08
  I never knew. Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:11
  Howard Phillips.
• 26:12
  I think his full name in the credits was Ward Phillips.
• 26:15
  You mean Howard Phillips? Yeah.
• 26:17
  Yeah, that made me confused.
• 26:20
  Well, his name is supposed to be Howard Phillips.
• 26:22
  I get it. You read the book.
• 26:23
  I didn't read the book.
• 26:25
  No, he's not in the book. I mean, it's his character.
• 26:27
  It's given up sometime in the movie.
• 26:30
  I don't remember when I do love how they made.
• 26:33
  They named the one black character after the very famous racist.
• 26:38
  Yeah. And then had him live.
• 26:41
  Buck tradition. Yeah, I do like that.
• 26:43
  No. Fuck racists and cops.
• 26:47
  There's an overlap. That Venn diagram is about the same.
• 26:49
  Yeah. You're saying the same thing, Peter.
• 26:52
  Well, you thought he was an English gentleman.
• 26:53
  He was Elliot Roger in 1930. You know, even for his time, though,
• 26:57
  other races were like, dude, you're making us look bad.
• 27:01
  Reading somebody's letters posthumously seems like reading
• 27:05
  somebody's text messages like after they die.
• 27:08
  And that's something I don't need. Yeah.
• 27:10
  I don't need Sean to know what I say to you about him and vice versa.
• 27:14
  Don't ask. Yeah, I won't tell.
• 27:16
  Most of us are content to let those die with us.
• 27:19
  But then you get like H.L.
• 27:20
  Menken's who say, no, no, 60 years after I die on Earth, these.
• 27:24
  So my opinion, my public opinion will just die
• 27:27
  and everybody will realize I was a piece of crap.
• 27:29
  I'm pretty sure that like my recorded cause of death
• 27:33
  will be swallowing my phone.
• 27:36
  Like I'm going to be like, oh, fuck, the end is near.
• 27:39
  Swallow it. Leave no evidence. Hide the crime. Yeah.
• 27:43
  You know, that's just straight to the butt.
• 27:45
  Don't put nothing on that cloud.
• 27:47
  The best part about dying is if everyone finds out they can't do anything about it.
• 27:51
  No, I mean, in general, like, I don't know.
• 27:53
  This movie is it's fun.
• 27:54
  It's beautifully shot.
• 27:56
  Like, was there anything that really was gained from watching it the second time?
• 28:00
  I've watched the movie like five times now, and I always enjoy it.
• 28:04
  I don't know that there's anything really new I came to with this watching.
• 28:09
  Yeah. I mean, I I think it's artistically really good and it's fun.
• 28:13
  And I love the performances.
• 28:16
  It suffers a little bit in the dialogue.
• 28:19
  It just does. I don't know.
• 28:20
  And the Vinius sucks.
• 28:21
  Well, yeah, she fuck. Oh, my God.
• 28:24
  I want to talk about her stupid ass wiccaness again.
• 28:27
  Or Alexandrian. That would be wrong.
• 28:29
  Was it Alexandria? No, it was Wiccan.
• 28:32
  Well, when we made her, she goes zero to bitch in like 10 seconds.
• 28:35
  It's amazing. You immediately know she sucks.
• 28:38
  Well, this is why she summoned these demons and come on.
• 28:42
  Yeah, it's all her fault.
• 28:44
  It is her fault.
• 28:45
  Yeah, she's the worst.
• 28:47
  Oh, I got a big question.
• 28:48
  Linda, did you cover this movie in Bedknobs and Brimstone?
• 28:52
  For Flicks? No, we did cover.
• 28:57
  Well, we came on to Cage's Kiss to do to cover season of The Witch. Oh, well.
• 29:06
  Why did you remind me of that fucking thing?
• 29:08
  We're going to definitely watch that one.
• 29:10
  Yeah. Oh, God, I'll make your dick hurt.
• 29:12
  You need a doctor at that movie.
• 29:14
  Oh, that's a stellar review.
• 29:17
  There were choices made in that movie.
• 29:21
  You have some brilliant actors with like naturally European accents
• 29:26
  and being forced to give these weird like Boston accents.
• 29:33
  It's the only accent that Cage can do.
• 29:35
  Yeah, it is a perfect Boston accent.
• 29:37
  Yeah, I mean, Cage tries for the accent and like,
• 29:41
  I think it lasts for maybe five minutes.
• 29:43
  Sounds right. Incredible.
• 29:45
  So long. I do accents in my D&D games.
• 29:49
  Let's go Red Sox.
• 29:52
  Speaking of racists.
• 29:55
  So what's the deal with the race?
• 30:00
  What's the deal with the races?
• 30:04
  With the Deathly Hallows symbol all over this movie, I mean, it's like
• 30:09
  in Levinia's hair, she's got like a hair clip.
• 30:11
  That's like the Deathly Hallows.
• 30:13
  You got the triangle with the line going down the middle.
• 30:16
  And then there's the attic window where the mom works.
• 30:22
  It's same thing.
• 30:24
  J.K. Rowling stole everything she's ever made.
• 30:27
  I don't think she stole it from this movie.
• 30:29
  No, but I mean, that symbol is not this movie transcends time.
• 30:35
  I like it within the lore of Lovecraft, the Lovecraft mythos.
• 30:39
  There is the Necronomicon.
• 30:42
  It is Muscatonic Muscatonic University.
• 30:45
  There's one copy of it.
• 30:46
  It's there.
• 30:48
  And she's just got like off the bookshelf.
• 30:50
  Yeah, like a paperback version of it.
• 30:53
  Yeah, which they do make.
• 30:54
  I wasn't made with people's skin like, come on.
• 30:57
  I have sold one of those.
• 30:58
  Yeah, there's the there's the book you'll find in the stores.
• 31:01
  That's calls itself the necromancy.
• 31:02
  I sold it at Barney when I worked at Barnes and Noble.
• 31:05
  Yeah, that's where I go for all of my
• 31:07
  food.
• 31:08
  Say, honestly, that would be really,
• 31:10
  that would be really fun to go to a library and say,
• 31:12
  you want to check out the necronomic on.
• 31:14
  They give you a book bound in human flesh written in blood.
• 31:19
  I want the audio tapes and ancient Sumerian.
• 31:22
  I'm sorry, I wanted the paperback version.
• 31:25
  Oh, no.
• 31:27
  That one's just made a foreskin.
• 31:29
  Where do you guys put this movie on the grid?
• 31:32
  Good, bad, bad, good, good, bad, bad, good, bad, bad.
• 31:35
  Pretty high. Yeah.
• 31:37
  This was one of those like rare oasis is in the Caged Desert.
• 31:41
  You know, like I think we all breathe the sigh of relief when we got to it.
• 31:45
  Yeah, this for me was kind of like because in our show, I always read
• 31:49
  the most wonderful reviews people have for these films.
• 31:54
  And they always tend to say no matter how bad this movie sucked,
• 31:58
  they always compare it to the rock.
• 32:00
  That is their standard of greatness.
• 32:03
  We're and that's kind of where I'm at with this.
• 32:05
  I know it's like this is this is the rock for me, for those people.
• 32:09
  It's like this was my I love this with cage.
• 32:11
  It was perfect with him.
• 32:13
  He was wonderful in it.
• 32:15
  And I didn't feel like wanting to stab my eyes out after I saw it
• 32:18
  like Wicker Man.
• 32:19
  Hmm. Sorry.
• 32:21
  I mean, at least in Wicker Man, he did kick someone.
• 32:24
  And that was kind of lots of people.
• 32:27
  He kicked Lili Sobieski in the tummy.
• 32:32
  Tum Tum. Right in the tum tum.
• 32:34
  Zeke on our show, we got it.
• 32:36
  We got an animated intro and it has it has my animation of cage
• 32:40
  punching sister beach from for the.
• 32:43
  I love that still that and Jessica that and Jessica Beale blowing up
• 32:47
  are my two just favorite things. Yes.
• 32:52
  I have a good time.
• 32:53
  Find find our next episode and just listen to Peter lose.
• 32:56
  Oh, my God. Yeah, I could not handle that episode.
• 32:59
  We really hit a certain pocket that tickled me tickling your.
• 33:05
  You guys are all right.
• 33:09
  What do you guys think on this movie?
• 33:10
  I still love it.
• 33:12
  I think I think there are parts of it that are a little overlogged.
• 33:15
  I think the middle kind of takes a while, but by and large,
• 33:19
  I still thoroughly enjoyed this film.
• 33:21
  Yeah, I think it's still a lot of fun.
• 33:23
  It's kind of a niche watch.
• 33:25
  I don't think I could just throw it on any time,
• 33:28
  but I enjoy it when I watch it.
• 33:31
  So when I'm ready for it, I'm going to have a good time.
• 33:34
  Yeah. Terrific performance by Nick.
• 33:38
  He just like get some really good deliveries.
• 33:41
  There's some really, I don't know, just weird shit happening.
• 33:44
  Like talking about milking alpacas alpaca boobs,
• 33:48
  dunking tomatoes into the trash can. Oh, man. Yeah.
• 33:51
  What is that smell?
• 33:55
  You know, the cancer smell, you know, you know, they're better than anybody.
• 33:59
  Yeah. What a dick comment. Yeah.
• 34:02
  Yeah. Right. Like what an asshole.
• 34:05
  You you know, my my cancerous wife, you know, that smell.
• 34:09
  Remember how bad your boobs smelled?
• 34:12
  Oh, he's a leg man. Yeah.
• 34:15
  I do still love that line about like if she had no legs,
• 34:23
  you could just put her in his carry on luggage and take her wherever.
• 34:30
  Well, I like I don't know.
• 34:31
  I thought I thought that part was kind of sweet.
• 34:34
  Like he's he's like just letting her know.
• 34:37
  Like she of course, she had a mastectomy, must have.
• 34:40
  And now he's like, hey, I'm always going to love you.
• 34:43
  Yeah, it's definitely one of those scenes and one of those dialogues
• 34:46
  where you do actually get some of his
• 34:49
  pre coloring personality and, you know, what makes that family kind of work?
• 34:55
  Like that's the wife's cancer and the grandpa's goggles are the two things.
• 35:01
  I'm like, there had to be more to this at one point, because with especially
• 35:05
  with the cancer, because we're getting to body horror later and they don't really
• 35:08
  like, you know, she feels about her body because of the surgery,
• 35:13
  but they never really do anything with that.
• 35:16
  Oh, man. Do you think there were like even more boob analogies and like
• 35:21
  metaphors like with the milking alpacas?
• 35:24
  Yeah. Big alpaca blob monster. Yeah.
• 35:28
  That's why he got the alpacas because he needed some tits. Right.
• 35:35
  I'll make sense now.
• 35:36
  Seriously, how great would that have been if he did that?
• 35:38
  If he had the alpaca monster, he's like, OK, son, go in there and milk it.
• 35:42
  What if the mom had gotten merged with the alpacas
• 35:45
  and then mom could have had thousands of nipples?
• 35:48
  She'd still be alive. Yeah.
• 35:50
  He wants to. Yeah.
• 35:53
  You're still my golden llama.
• 35:56
  The wife with a thousand young.
• 36:00
  Oh, God.
• 36:01
  No, but I do love that they show that they're very much in love.
• 36:04
  They're still horny for each other.
• 36:06
  And it seems like a somewhat happy family.
• 36:10
  And I mean, they seem pretty cool with having Ezra
• 36:16
  squatting on their their farm.
• 36:18
  Yeah, except Lavinia, who repeatedly sucks. True.
• 36:22
  Yeah, she's the worst.
• 36:23
  I don't know.
• 36:24
  Yeah. Jack's cool.
• 36:26
  The Vinny and the one is just like a stoner.
• 36:28
  Whatever. Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:30
  Lavinia blows.
• 36:31
  I mean, if you have Tommy Chong living on your farm,
• 36:35
  yeah, you're going to smoke pot with them. I know.
• 36:37
  Like he's got the fucking dank as shit.
• 36:41
  Come on. Yeah, he's got the good shit.
• 36:43
  Yeah. You want to come over her coffee?
• 36:45
  You know, I don't even think they hired him for this movie.
• 36:47
  He just moved out there after he got out of jail. Yeah.
• 36:50
  He's just living on that land and they were filming.
• 36:51
  Yeah. Like Tommy, just say some weird shit when you're high.
• 36:54
  We record you. Yeah.
• 36:57
  OK, man. What do you want to name that?
• 37:02
  Thanks for letting me squat on your land, man.
• 37:04
  Hey, whatever you do, don't Google my name, OK?
• 37:08
  So, yeah, we usually put this up on.
• 37:12
  We call it a Venn diagram, but it's been pointed out to us
• 37:15
  that it is very much not a Venn diagram.
• 37:17
  It is more of a grid. Yeah. Matrix.
• 37:19
  It is quadrants of good movie.
• 37:22
  Good cage. Bad movie.
• 37:24
  Bad cage. And they're within and what nots.
• 37:28
  I don't have to explain this.
• 37:29
  That's why we already talked about it, too.
• 37:31
  Yeah, but we didn't. Do we finish it?
• 37:34
  I mean, you guys didn't say your things. I go.
• 37:36
  OK, good movie. There we go.
• 37:37
  Good. Good. Nicholas Cage performance. Good movie. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:41
  Well, another one knocked out of the park.
• 37:43
  Nailed it. We're pros.
• 37:47
  Do we have anything else we want to say about this film before we move on?
• 37:50
  I think we could talk about it for an entire evening.
• 37:54
  But I think we've kind of gotten to it.
• 37:56
  We've milked this llama.
• 37:58
  All packers are different.
• 37:59
  We miss milk this alpaca for all it's worth boobs.
• 38:02
  Yeah, it's it's a fun film.
• 38:05
  And it brought Richard Stanley back to like he he said that Nicholas Cage
• 38:12
  brought him back to Hollywood and renewed his faith in Hollywood.
• 38:15
  He was hiding on a mountain in France.
• 38:18
  Did he do something after this?
• 38:20
  No, he got canceled after this. Oh, that's right. Right.
• 38:22
  As he was supposed to do the he had he had planned to do the Dunwich
• 38:25
  Horror and Call of Cthulhu. Yeah, he did.
• 38:30
  And we won't get those.
• 38:32
  Yeah. Well, maybe someone else will do them poorly.
• 38:36
  Yeah. Traditionally, that's how it goes.
• 38:39
  Just do what Lion Gates, Lionsgate did.
• 38:41
  Take a terrible Uli Lamel movie shot in a basement that's just about torture
• 38:46
  and then just call it H.P. Lovecraft's The Tomb and never explain it.
• 38:48
  Hmm. It's kind of the same thing with Dagon.
• 38:51
  It's just you can't really it's hard.
• 38:53
  You just make your own interpretation, especially for a monster that in the end,
• 38:56
  it's just kind of you're told is horrific, but nothing really other specific.
• 39:01
  I mean, we're all in sort of the same area.
• 39:04
  Do you want to start a Kickstarter?
• 39:06
  Let's do it. Let's just finish the trilogy.
• 39:10
  Fuck it. I don't know shit about anything.
• 39:12
  And we've managed to do this for 40 episodes.
• 39:14
  So why not? Let's let's go, baby.
• 39:19
  Trust me. I've watched enough poorly made shark
• 39:22
  films that were made for literally five hundred dollars.
• 39:25
  And if those can get distribution, follow your dreams.
• 39:29
  We'll just have to get I mean, all Lovecraft stories are public domain.
• 39:33
  Hey, so is Mickey Mouse now.
• 39:35
  I'm not going to die on that hill yet.
• 39:37
  They're trying some they're trying some chicanery.
• 39:39
  Yeah, I wouldn't fuck with Disney.
• 39:42
  They'll kill you.
• 39:44
  So vampires.
• 39:45
  There's 30 years in the past.
• 39:48
  We usually find some odd connection between the two movies
• 39:52
  and I like there's a through line to be drawn from Vampire's Kiss
• 39:57
  to Color Out of Space.
• 39:59
  Like we wouldn't get this movie or this performance if we didn't get Peter
• 40:03
  Lowe and didn't get his initial that character.
• 40:08
  This is the first all out crazy cage performance that we got.
• 40:13
  Yeah, Peggy Sir got married was sort of the test run, but this is where it really took wing.
• 40:18
  I mean, he wanted to get a real bat for fuck's sake.
• 40:22
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 40:23
  I mean, he had his moments throughout.
• 40:25
  So Peggy Sue is a good one.
• 40:28
  What was the why does he love so much?
• 40:30
  Racing with the racing with the moon.
• 40:32
  He got to do some of that kind of insanity.
• 40:33
  Oh, yeah. No, you're right.
• 40:35
  He was some of the insanity in that time to rip out his own teeth.
• 40:39
  Oh, God damn it.
• 40:41
  So, I mean, he played around with it, but this was the first time
• 40:43
  that he had to really be like crazy, completely unhinged,
• 40:47
  totally fucking lunatic.
• 40:49
  Well, it also fucking with the random people on the New York streets.
• 40:53
  It's a non union movie.
• 40:55
  So they're shooting without permits with people who don't know they're in a movie.
• 40:59
  And you can really tell when people look at some of those scenes
• 41:01
  as he's like dragging the steak around with him.
• 41:04
  You know, those mimes.
• 41:05
  They were in a movie. God, I love those mimes.
• 41:08
  I hate those mimes.
• 41:09
  I hate mimes.
• 41:11
  Those goddamn mimes.
• 41:13
  The torches of the town.
• 41:16
  The domestic violence mimes.
• 41:22
  Well, you also get to see that like silent, like the actually
• 41:26
  German expressionistic acting where he like
• 41:31
  he had the same thing going on for like he had the Nosferatu
• 41:36
  hands in the attempted murder scene and Peggy Sue.
• 41:39
  And now he's just like living his dream with the whole vampires.
• 41:45
  Because Robert Beerman, the director, really was into letting him go for it.
• 41:49
  God bless him. You know, like that was it was the best choice he could have made
• 41:54
  to do what Nicholas Cage just do it.
• 41:56
  Yeah, I was thoroughly impressed when he's starting to lose his shit.
• 42:00
  And he like chases Alva through
• 42:03
  or like down the stairs before down the stairs
• 42:06
  when he chases her into the bathroom the first time.
• 42:07
  And he just does that standing just leap onto the desk in loafers.
• 42:12
  Yeah, you've been doing box jumps.
• 42:13
  I've been doing box jumps that in easy.
• 42:15
  There you are.
• 42:19
  Oh, I brought you soup.
• 42:21
  Yeah, just the back of the suit like dry.
• 42:24
  I can love it.
• 42:26
  I've got to say, I've had some really awful,
• 42:29
  god awful bosses, and this is just triggering as hell.
• 42:33
  I mean, TST
• 42:36
  like was his excuse.
• 42:38
  So, oh, I just tried miscalin for the first time.
• 42:41
  And she's like, I did too in high school.
• 42:45
  You know, I understand.
• 42:47
  And he's like, cool, cool.
• 42:49
  Also, fuck you. Come into work late.
• 42:51
  Yeah. She overshares with her boss
• 42:55
  too much, like telling him that she did masculine in high school,
• 42:59
  like when he's at her house being like, oh, well, yeah, OK.
• 43:03
  I wasn't really sick.
• 43:04
  It's like, bitch, stick to your life. Yeah.
• 43:07
  It's like my boss is going to my boss is crazy and might rape and kill me.
• 43:12
  We're not going to pay your rent anymore.
• 43:14
  Go to your job. You need that job.
• 43:16
  And then the next day she comes home, she goes straight to a room,
• 43:19
  doesn't come out. Her mom's like, come out of your room.
• 43:21
  Breakfast is ready. I don't know what's wrong with that girl.
• 43:24
  Hey, bitch, fucking eggs.
• 43:26
  And then immediately it's like, hey, brother, do a murder for me.
• 43:30
  And he's like, I will.
• 43:34
  That's family. Yeah, that's how family works, right?
• 43:36
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:39
  I'd like to think Donnie would avenge me.
• 43:41
  You mean if I got if it's on Tuesday, sure.
• 43:45
  Yeah. Tuesdays are usually pretty open.
• 43:47
  Yeah. Just got to know.
• 43:48
  You don't want to fuck with your weekend.
• 43:49
  Do your best to die on a Monday. Yeah. Come on, Linda.
• 43:52
  Yeah, I want that week.
• 43:53
  Oh, the dollar in this movie was fun.
• 43:57
  Like it wasn't it was insane.
• 44:00
  I don't know.
• 44:01
  There was so much that kind of bordered on the surreal
• 44:04
  that I really like going on with this drunk and horny.
• 44:08
  I think I was talking about that earlier.
• 44:10
  Yeah, I just love like how that's an excuse.
• 44:12
  It's like, well, you know, I was kind of drunk and it was a little bit horny.
• 44:17
  You know how you can be.
• 44:18
  Yeah, it's like, oh, shit. Yeah, I have been drunk and horny.
• 44:21
  That doesn't excuse it.
• 44:22
  It's therapist.
• 44:23
  We get yeah, we get Elizabeth Ashley as this therapist.
• 44:26
  And and later, Elizabeth Ashley as his hallucinated therapist,
• 44:30
  which is even better.
• 44:32
  How many times have you guys watched this film?
• 44:34
  Oh, we watched it a lot.
• 44:35
  Getting ready to record this movie where we did.
• 44:37
  We went through it all.
• 44:38
  And the movie, the movie, in terms of how it all hangs together,
• 44:42
  is kind of a train wreck, but you still kind of delight in what
• 44:45
  and what you wound up with.
• 44:46
  You know, I remember every watch and we were doing the Renfield episode.
• 44:51
  Weird because he's not a vampire in this movie.
• 44:54
  Allegedly. Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:58
  I mean, he says it a lot.
• 44:59
  I don't know. I'm a vampire. I'm a vampire.
• 45:01
  I'm a vampire. I'm a vampire.
• 45:05
  There was a there was some confusion last time we recorded
• 45:07
  this as to whether or not he was speaking of confusion
• 45:10
  because you are with cage now.
• 45:14
  I have to ask this, though, it may not be something you may remember.
• 45:18
  Linda, you know what I'm going to talk about, right?
• 45:20
  No. Right.
• 45:22
  The are you talking about pasties?
• 45:24
  No, about the confusion as to the actor who played the main in Rockula.
• 45:30
  Yeah. Rockula.
• 45:31
  Oh, God. Have you seen the movie Rockula? No.
• 45:36
  The dude is a dead ringer for Nicolas Cage.
• 45:39
  He is the longest time we thought Nicolas Cage was in the film Rockula.
• 45:44
  It is about a vampire who rocks, who runs a nightclub that rocks out.
• 45:50
  He does 90s style rap like white guy.
• 45:53
  Well, he's a new metal. He does rock.
• 45:55
  Okay, yeah.
• 45:59
  This movie has amazing things.
• 46:01
  That's awesome. Has
• 46:04
  Thomas Dolby is pretty amazing.
• 46:07
  Yeah, but but he really is a vampire, but he's also the DJ.
• 46:13
  That's all good vampires are.
• 46:14
  Yeah. It'll change your life.
• 46:18
  Now, this is a this is a good descent into madness movie.
• 46:21
  I really like that.
• 46:21
  And I wasn't expecting that because I remember I remember I was a kid in a video store.
• 46:27
  I think we had rented this long, long back and just a little bit stuck with me.
• 46:31
  And I remember being bored as hell with this because I'm like, I wanted a horror movie.
• 46:35
  This is not a horror movie.
• 46:37
  We watching it as an adult and watching again and again and again.
• 46:42
  It's just I it made me appreciate
• 46:45
  how well Cage can do descents like that,
• 46:48
  yeah, because it's just some some actors and actresses don't really grasp that.
• 46:53
  But he just he goes for it.
• 46:55
  Yeah. I could really see that.
• 46:56
  The first time I watched this movie was on an airplane.
• 47:01
  That's right. Terrible way to watch.
• 47:03
  Yeah. Yeah. I had the aisle seat and I like turned it on and I was like,
• 47:07
  well, I got to watch this so we can record when I get back from this trip.
• 47:11
  And it starts going. I'm like, OK, maybe maybe this isn't right.
• 47:15
  And then it starts going like just boobs all over.
• 47:18
  And I was like, fuck.
• 47:19
  Like the flight attendant was coming up and I'm like trying to cover up my laptop
• 47:24
  so she can't see and make inferences that I'm obviously whacking off.
• 47:31
  But then the guy across the aisle leans over.
• 47:33
  He's like, I love this movie.
• 47:36
  And he's like watching it on my laptop, too.
• 47:38
  It's like, OK, that's somehow weird.
• 47:40
  Hey, he was lucky when people are watching shit.
• 47:42
  I could see it on their plane.
• 47:43
  It's goddamn kid's shit.
• 47:45
  But I've never heard of like, what is this?
• 47:47
  I want to slap the tablet on the kid's hand and like, you damn jimsy kids,
• 47:51
  you don't know what you want.
• 47:53
  Watch vampires kiss.
• 47:55
  Why can't you watch something wholesome?
• 47:57
  Yeah.
• 47:58
  I'm as kiss with Jennifer Beals and pasties.
• 48:05
  Thinking of watching things on the plane,
• 48:06
  me and my sister were on our way to our grandfather's funeral on a plane,
• 48:11
  and I brought a portable DVD player and me and her were going to share earbuds
• 48:15
  and we were going to watch House of a Thousand Corpses.
• 48:19
  Oh, yeah. And I hadn't plugged in the air phones yet.
• 48:22
  And I forgot there was animation on the menus like they do.
• 48:25
  Oh, yeah, there is.
• 48:26
  It started up.
• 48:28
  Everyone on the plane heard, well, shit the bed.
• 48:32
  It's like, oh, awesome.
• 48:36
  So, Nick, going back to this film, did you like pick up
• 48:38
  any new subtext or things we missed the first time around?
• 48:43
  I don't know if I picked up anything new.
• 48:45
  It was it's just incredible to me that every second
• 48:50
  that Nicolas Cage is on screen, which is like the whole movie, is a banger.
• 48:55
  Every like every delivery rules.
• 48:59
  The writing is just incredible.
• 49:02
  This is the most memed up with him as the priest in the beginning of Face Off.
• 49:07
  Yep. Yeah. And Wicker Man.
• 49:10
  This is where we got the name for our podcast.
• 49:12
  I mean, yeah, it's a fucking it's such a fun movie.
• 49:15
  And I really thoroughly enjoyed it more this time than the first time.
• 49:19
  Having kind of knowing where it was going, how it all connected to my first time
• 49:22
  watching it, I'm like, what the fuck is this?
• 49:24
  It's so just completely unhinged and doesn't make any sense.
• 49:28
  And I was watching it today and it started to, you know, get a little weird.
• 49:32
  Still early on. I just thought.
• 49:34
  What are the symptoms of rabies?
• 49:36
  And I looked them up and they're all there.
• 49:40
  Like, oh, that's what this movie.
• 49:42
  He just got back.
• 49:43
  He just got bat bit and has rabies and he got bat bit and a little bit horny.
• 49:48
  Yeah. Listen, we all get a little drunk and a little horny.
• 49:51
  And I was fighting the bat and I got a little horny.
• 49:57
  But that's like put this whole thing in a weird like in a new perspective.
• 50:00
  Like, oh, this movie isn't just crazy.
• 50:02
  Unhinged doesn't make any sense.
• 50:03
  There's a full through line and it makes perfect sense.
• 50:06
  And it's actually kind of a sedate film when you look at it like that.
• 50:10
  Just a man in a health crisis. Yeah.
• 50:12
  I feel like there's also something to be said in there about like his
• 50:16
  his relationship with women. Yeah.
• 50:18
  And like he just cannot stand the thought of being
• 50:23
  like rejected by a woman.
• 50:25
  So he goes through them like tissues. Ew.
• 50:28
  Even has his literal dream woman.
• 50:31
  And he ends up calling her a cunt in like five minutes.
• 50:37
  That's the cherry on top.
• 50:38
  I love that.
• 50:39
  Like even even in your even in your mind, even in your fever dream, you feel
• 50:43
  she even likes the baldy.
• 50:45
  He likes the baldy and Asian food.
• 50:47
  It's so refreshing.
• 50:49
  Japanese food is very refreshing.
• 50:52
  And eating cockroaches is very refreshing.
• 50:55
  Even when they're stink bugs.
• 50:56
  Oh, yeah. Water bugs.
• 50:58
  I got called out for that one last time. Yeah.
• 51:00
  Yeah. What's the difference
• 51:03
  between a stink bug and a water bug?
• 51:04
  No water bug and a roach.
• 51:06
  I can't remember the type of bug it is.
• 51:08
  The amount of water inside of its body.
• 51:10
  Science.
• 51:11
  So you don't know is what you're saying.
• 51:14
  Correct. I don't need to know.
• 51:16
  You just know I'm wrong. Yeah.
• 51:17
  Yeah, we're not fact checking you in any real way.
• 51:20
  We know originally is supposed to be a raw egg.
• 51:23
  And he was like, I just don't think that would give the same punch.
• 51:27
  And so he's the one who made the decision to eat.
• 51:30
  I want to eat a roach. Yeah.
• 51:32
  And there were two takes.
• 51:34
  God, and the way he like, choose it and.
• 51:36
  Oh, I mean, this is.
• 51:39
  My opinions are pretty clear.
• 51:42
  I think a lot in this.
• 51:44
  This movie is fucking incredible.
• 51:45
  And I struggle to think that there's a movie that I'm going to
• 51:51
  take further than this.
• 51:53
  I mean, we'll have to see, obviously.
• 51:55
  That's the whole point of this show. But
• 51:58
  his commitment to every moment on screen, it's.
• 52:03
  He's fucking in it.
• 52:05
  This movie grew. It's electrifying.
• 52:07
  It's he's got just magnetism that I can't stop watching.
• 52:12
  It's one.
• 52:13
  I mean, it's so rare, but it's a it's a movie that I don't look at my phone
• 52:17
  while I'm watching it. Yeah.
• 52:19
  It's just something I can't miss. Yeah.
• 52:22
  I think about that fucking dumbass scene when he shoots himself in the mouth
• 52:26
  and then just goes,
• 52:27
  you know, boo hoo boo hoo boo hoo.
• 52:32
  That would have actually killed somebody.
• 52:34
  Oh, yeah. A blank blank would.
• 52:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:38
  Yeah, the wadding. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:39
  No, yeah, the wad.
• 52:41
  The wads always get.
• 52:42
  Hmm. That's how it gets you in the mouth. Yeah.
• 52:46
  Somebody shoots a wad in your mouth at that velocity.
• 52:51
  It is. I.
• 52:55
  I love that they drugged a pigeon
• 52:58
  and let him catch a drugged pigeon without telling him that they drugged it.
• 53:02
  They just like go get a pigeon.
• 53:04
  Yeah. How long do you think was out there before they're just like,
• 53:06
  fucking drug a pigeon and just just kick it out there?
• 53:09
  Just put it on a balloon.
• 53:10
  You think you actually ate that pigeon? Yeah, 100 percent.
• 53:12
  Yeah. Method actor. Yeah.
• 53:15
  If you were filming.
• 53:16
  I do like when he goes to buy when he goes to buy the vampire teeth
• 53:20
  and he doesn't have any cash, but you can see his MX in the wallet.
• 53:25
  That was 88.
• 53:26
  Maybe they didn't want to take card fare.
• 53:28
  Those cheapies are so fucking weak, though.
• 53:31
  They're so good. They were perfect for the movie, though.
• 53:35
  And then he and then he bites Larry Cohen's daughter.
• 53:38
  Is that right? Oh, yeah.
• 53:40
  That's who that was. Yeah.
• 53:42
  No, no.
• 53:42
  Every every woman who shows up in this movie is actually like like significant.
• 53:47
  You know, like you get Maria Caccina Alonso, you get Cassie Lemons, the director,
• 53:51
  and you get fucking Jennifer Beals, the flash dance, and it was with Ashley,
• 53:55
  who was in all those Burt Reynolds movies.
• 53:56
  Well, and then Amy Stiller was the one chatting with David Hyde Pierce
• 54:00
  in the bar in that one scene, too.
• 54:02
  I miss David Hyde Pierce on this watch.
• 54:04
  He does have a great. He's there. Yeah. Good stash.
• 54:07
  There's a cameo from one of Cage's brothers, too.
• 54:09
  Yeah. And did you get that scene? Yeah. OK.
• 54:13
  You know, I heard that Cage actually wasn't happy with how it ended up.
• 54:19
  He was I guess he was really, quote unquote, hurt
• 54:22
  by seeing himself on the cover with a cape and the fangs
• 54:26
  because he said, I never wore a cape.
• 54:28
  And I guess he just got upset with how they kind of I mean.
• 54:34
  But like he's still kind of that way with like things they use his face for
• 54:38
  because with the he was doing an interview recently and they talked to him about
• 54:41
  like finally getting to see himself as Superman in the flash.
• 54:44
  And all he could talk about was how they had me come in and ask me to do some stuff.
• 54:47
  But none of that stuff was on the screen.
• 54:48
  So I don't know what they did. Probably something with AI.
• 54:51
  Well, I mean, they did do that. Yeah.
• 54:53
  They didn't do anything with his real work. I know.
• 54:56
  But he has a like flat face that just goes.
• 55:01
  I'm actually surprised to hear that, like they brought him in at all.
• 55:04
  I wouldn't have.
• 55:05
  We watched the whole two and a half hours for that. Worth it.
• 55:08
  Yeah. No, no.
• 55:11
  I don't know. As far as not to get off topic, because we never do that.
• 55:16
  As far as DC movies go, that one was actually way better than I anticipated.
• 55:22
  Like I put off watching the flash for a really long time.
• 55:25
  I haven't watched it really.
• 55:27
  I could not.
• 55:28
  They put off releasing it.
• 55:30
  So I think it's because Zack Snyder just raped us too hard and too
• 55:35
  often with the DC movies that like, I don't know, it's just
• 55:39
  they really low lowered the bar.
• 55:42
  So you see something that's not terrible and it's not like, yeah.
• 55:46
  Oh, your mother's name is Martha.
• 55:49
  It's like, wow, this is good.
• 55:50
  Insane. Aquaman.
• 55:52
  And I finally watched him like this movie is nothing.
• 55:54
  Yeah, Aquaman.
• 55:55
  I haven't watched it.
• 55:57
  Julie Andrews is in it.
• 55:58
  That's like the one interesting thing about that movie.
• 56:01
  She's the voice of the Hydra.
• 56:02
  Hmm. And Amber Turd.
• 56:05
  You love Amber Turd.
• 56:07
  I love that.
• 56:08
  Say what you want about Amber Heard.
• 56:09
  I look great with her tits.
• 56:11
  That's true. Yeah.
• 56:13
  Go go look at Peter's artwork from Drive Angry.
• 56:16
  Drive Angry. It's astounding.
• 56:19
  Your best work.
• 56:20
  That is probably my best work.
• 56:21
  Peace to resistance. Yeah.
• 56:23
  Was that I mean, speaking of of Amber Heard wasn't
• 56:26
  I could be totally wrong, but wasn't wasn't Jack from Colorado Space?
• 56:31
  Like, didn't he play her son in something?
• 56:34
  He shit the bed once, too.
• 56:36
  And I thought that.
• 56:39
  And I thought that's the best joke we're going to get tonight.
• 56:44
  So in the matrix of good, bad, bad, good, bad, good, good, bad.
• 56:49
  Where would you put Nick Cage and this film?
• 56:51
  The upper 25 percent.
• 56:54
  I consider it an interesting kind of a misfire.
• 56:57
  I appreciate the fact that it was ambitious and that a lot of it does land.
• 57:01
  And I like director Robert Bierman and what what he tries to do with his movies.
• 57:05
  You know, so, you know, on the whole, you know, like solidly C plus B minus.
• 57:10
  I'd say something like good, bad, because it's it's like meme the movie.
• 57:16
  I feel like that's a little harsh.
• 57:18
  That's what I mean.
• 57:19
  Like, that's an opinion.
• 57:21
  I feel like your opinion sucks.
• 57:23
  No, it's going to be a primal thing all over again.
• 57:25
  No, it's a well, you admitted to loving primal earlier today.
• 57:29
  So you did. Oh, Sean.
• 57:33
  We were talking about getting Tartakov, Skis, Primal, but different.
• 57:39
  But the words I love primal came out of his mouth.
• 57:42
  Did you record it?
• 57:43
  Yes. From the wire that I always wear naturally.
• 57:47
  Yeah. Commander Data and a CGI panther.
• 57:50
  It's a movie, everybody.
• 57:51
  It was so good.
• 57:54
  No. Yes, I see your
• 57:58
  statement and I understand.
• 58:00
  But it's like the memes came after.
• 58:03
  Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 58:04
  Unbearable weight, I feel like, is more of the oh, it's a he's a meme.
• 58:08
  Make a movie.
• 58:09
  No, it was. Yeah, that's super, super disappointed in that movie.
• 58:14
  Oh, my God. Vampires Kiss definitely like.
• 58:16
  It earned all of that attention with how ridiculous
• 58:22
  and absurd and over the top and just completely
• 58:27
  unrestrained the performances and very, very rarely
• 58:33
  do I get to see something where you just give somebody control
• 58:37
  or like ownership of a character like that, and they just make bold choices,
• 58:45
  choices that could have landed him in like the unemployment line going forward.
• 58:53
  And he just committed to everyone.
• 58:55
  Yeah. Like this performance was a risk and this movie was a risk.
• 58:58
  And it's something that I think really had an effect on his career.
• 59:05
  Obviously, it got him moon struck.
• 59:07
  It has an effect on film, I think.
• 59:12
  I don't know if it's a good effect.
• 59:14
  And I'm not going to pull out the yarn, but.
• 59:18
  I know he just wanted to do this one for just to like rebel against moon
• 59:23
  struck and his performance.
• 59:25
  He didn't want to get typecast as a romantic lead.
• 59:28
  Yeah. And he didn't, you know, which I applaud, you know, because like
• 59:32
  that would that would have been safe if he just stuck with that.
• 59:34
  It's one thing I really appreciate about appreciate about Nicholas Cage
• 59:38
  in general is that he is he really loves acting
• 59:42
  and he's just playing and he's just you could tell he's having fun
• 59:48
  and he's passionate about what he's doing.
• 59:51
  And I mean, you know, love him or hate him.
• 59:54
  He's he's doing what he loves and he's got a lot of passion for it.
• 59:59
  Very true.
• 1:00:00
  I would say for me, I don't know when we started the good, bad, bad, good
• 1:00:03
  in season one.
• 1:00:05
  It was like episode 10, 12.
• 1:00:07
  So I don't know if we have a recording of where I thought this would be originally,
• 1:00:10
  which I think would probably put him good movie bad.
• 1:00:13
  But going back, rewatching it.
• 1:00:16
  Knowing the through line and actually being able to see like,
• 1:00:19
  oh, this script isn't just completely batshit bananas.
• 1:00:22
  Like there is a method to it.
• 1:00:24
  There is a reason for like his character, the hatred of women,
• 1:00:28
  as well as going insane.
• 1:00:30
  Rabie because rabies like it all makes sense.
• 1:00:33
  And I'm like, this movie is so much
• 1:00:35
  there's so much more here than I ever would have thought initially.
• 1:00:37
  And I'm going to up that to good good.
• 1:00:40
  I think it's a great film.
• 1:00:41
  Definitely up there in his.
• 1:00:44
  In his filmography, this is going to be a hard one to beat.
• 1:00:48
  Yeah, I'm with you.
• 1:00:49
  This is so much fun to watch every time on on second watch for me.
• 1:00:53
  I like this way more.
• 1:00:55
  I thought it was way more interesting.
• 1:00:57
  I like the music even.
• 1:00:59
  Yeah, which the first time I watched, I was like, the fuck is this?
• 1:01:02
  And the second time watching, I was like, OK, this kind of fucking works for this.
• 1:01:05
  Like the unreliable narrator.
• 1:01:08
  And it gets so much more absurd through the movie.
• 1:01:11
  Like when he's calling this therapist after he does the murder
• 1:01:15
  and he's trying to like get her to like make an appointment earlier.
• 1:01:18
  And as soon as she hangs up the phone, there's like that beefcake there.
• 1:01:22
  He's the beefcake is there before.
• 1:01:24
  Was he? Yeah.
• 1:01:25
  The beefcake.
• 1:01:26
  No, she's she's hot beefcake was there.
• 1:01:29
  She's getting it in.
• 1:01:31
  Just the the back and forth
• 1:01:34
  in the big ending scene there where he's on the street
• 1:01:37
  with a blood goatee talking to the corner of a building.
• 1:01:41
  And then and then he's looking pristine and with perfect hair
• 1:01:44
  and Elizabeth Ashley's office still holding the piece of wood
• 1:01:47
  that he's trying to stake himself with.
• 1:01:48
  Yeah, like that's that was very artful.
• 1:01:50
  I would you stop worrying and just get on with your big romance.
• 1:02:00
  I mean, you're right.
• 1:02:02
  I think that there's there's something deeper
• 1:02:05
  in it to be found in the movie.
• 1:02:07
  And I think that it was unfortunate that at that time
• 1:02:11
  they had to market it and like promote it as something kind of silly and schlocky.
• 1:02:17
  Yeah, marketing is its own thing.
• 1:02:19
  And I don't know if any of you guys work in marketing,
• 1:02:22
  but I'm still going to say, yeah, fuck those guys.
• 1:02:27
  Because they resemble that.
• 1:02:29
  So why? I resemble you.
• 1:02:32
  So without the beard, it's true.
• 1:02:34
  Yeah. Well, marketing got us to watch jujitsu.
• 1:02:37
  So which I maintain is a awesome piece of trash.
• 1:02:44
  I don't have crab man in it.
• 1:02:46
  It's got that awesome like first person fight scene.
• 1:02:50
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:52
  CGI shuriken just shooting at your face.
• 1:02:56
  Oh, man. Yeah. All the CGI bullet holes and stuff.
• 1:02:59
  It's like, why is this movie is so bad?
• 1:03:01
  And then the comic book transition.
• 1:03:04
  Yeah, for some reason.
• 1:03:05
  I love it. Yeah.
• 1:03:07
  That's my primal.
• 1:03:08
  You guys, you guys out there, you're nerds.
• 1:03:10
  You're going to love this.
• 1:03:11
  Look, comic book, see comic book equals good.
• 1:03:15
  That was our episode one.
• 1:03:16
  It was face off versus bat.
• 1:03:18
  Oh, astounding.
• 1:03:19
  Well, that's man.
• 1:03:20
  No contest. She was.
• 1:03:22
  Yeah, right.
• 1:03:23
  Jujitsu wins. Yeah.
• 1:03:25
  Yeah, obviously.
• 1:03:28
  With the predator pants.
• 1:03:33
  OK, how many hours can the Jujitsu alien suck on a peach for?
• 1:03:38
  Oh, I don't think you had an actual mouth.
• 1:03:40
  So not many.
• 1:03:42
  I mean, you don't need a mouth to peach.
• 1:03:44
  I think any orifice would do.
• 1:03:45
  Yeah. It's all it's just butts and butts.
• 1:03:49
  Yeah. Prison pocket.
• 1:03:51
  I mean, yeah.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah. It's a really an ass to ask.
• 1:03:55
  Yeah, you got it. You guys understand.
• 1:03:59
  We've been to prison. Sure.
• 1:04:03
  So in terms of these two films,
• 1:04:07
  I would like to know your guys' opinion.
• 1:04:09
  And in terms of where these are going to score in the end, your opinions do not matter.
• 1:04:13
  Ultimately, yeah, you your vote doesn't count.
• 1:04:16
  But we do want to hear it.
• 1:04:17
  Just like the Electoral College.
• 1:04:19
  What where would you which one of these movies would you put forward in the bracket?
• 1:04:23
  Personally, I would say Color Out of Space,
• 1:04:27
  although I think they're both important historically
• 1:04:31
  in the cage timeline.
• 1:04:32
  Both recommendable for different reasons.
• 1:04:34
  I think that's easy to say. Yeah.
• 1:04:38
  Vampires Kiss, a very iconic movie, very important movie.
• 1:04:42
  It's a fun movie.
• 1:04:43
  I would go with Color Out of Space.
• 1:04:45
  That's me. That's
• 1:04:48
  it's almost unfair to have to choose between those two
• 1:04:50
  because they really do pull long punches in both their categories.
• 1:04:54
  But that's the whole point of our show.
• 1:04:56
  It only gets harder. I know.
• 1:04:58
  Kind of like me.
• 1:05:00
  Only if there's a bat around.
• 1:05:01
  Yeah, I was drunk and also horny.
• 1:05:06
  Yeah, honestly, you know, being being drunk and horny
• 1:05:09
  and feeling kind of sensual myself.
• 1:05:13
  I'm going to say Color Out of Space, not because majority so far,
• 1:05:16
  but because all around, like you're looking at
• 1:05:19
  you're looking at the soundtrack,
• 1:05:21
  you're looking at the filmmaking of the whole thing.
• 1:05:24
  All of it was just such a beautifully put together thing
• 1:05:28
  and it made such a beautifully horrific beast that I just I love it.
• 1:05:33
  And at the time we watched in order, the
• 1:05:37
  Vampires Kiss and everything else, that was a breath of fresh air.
• 1:05:41
  But honestly, even though both films stay with me,
• 1:05:44
  Color Out of Space held a lot more in my mind
• 1:05:47
  and it kind of sticks around more there versus Vampires Kiss.
• 1:05:51
  It's just it just comes down to cohesion at the end of the day.
• 1:05:54
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:55
  Which is which is why I call Vampires Kiss an interesting failure.
• 1:05:59
  They got a lot of good themes in there
• 1:06:01
  and they're saying a lot of good things with them.
• 1:06:03
  Yeah, it's it's just some of them.
• 1:06:05
  Some of them kind of trail off.
• 1:06:06
  Though, if I had seen Jennifer Beals nipples,
• 1:06:10
  it may have been a different choice.
• 1:06:12
  The paces were bad.
• 1:06:14
  Yeah, like don't just hide them.
• 1:06:16
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:06:17
  Like if you don't want to show any boob, that's fine.
• 1:06:20
  But like, just don't are they just find her body double from Flashdance.
• 1:06:25
  Hello, no brainer.
• 1:06:27
  Or like cut the pasties smaller, not have them be like.
• 1:06:32
  I mean, obviously, he wasn't into her anyway, right?
• 1:06:34
  Like that was the yogurt situation, right?
• 1:06:38
  Now, are they pasties or are they like that old like strapless bra?
• 1:06:43
  That's what I could be. Yeah.
• 1:06:45
  But I mean, either way, you make some very salient points about all of that.
• 1:06:50
  Well, I mean, about soundtrack cinematography, all that nipples. Nick.
• 1:06:58
  But oh, no, I'm I'm still solidly like if I had to show
• 1:07:03
  one of these movies to somebody at any point,
• 1:07:06
  I know I could get a consistent reaction from Vampire's Kiss.
• 1:07:13
  Vampire's Kiss that I wouldn't necessarily get every time from Color Out of Space.
• 1:07:22
  And I feel like in my own head experiment with how I approach this,
• 1:07:29
  that's that's got a lot more to me.
• 1:07:31
  And I mean, also, like I said, there's not a moment that Nicholas Cage
• 1:07:36
  is on screen that I'm not just completely taken for a ride in this movie.
• 1:07:41
  It just offers so much performance and there's no Lavinia.
• 1:07:47
  Like when I say we're trying to find Nicholas Cage's best movie,
• 1:07:51
  that best is in heavy air quotes because I just want to know
• 1:07:54
  what the most entertaining Nicholas Cage is.
• 1:07:57
  And it's definitely Vampire's Kiss is definitely up there.
• 1:08:00
  So I'm going to say Vampire's Kiss.
• 1:08:03
  Excellent. Hey, if it's just a performance, Deadfall wins them all.
• 1:08:06
  Yeah, we're putting it into the bracket.
• 1:08:10
  You can scratch your head till the end of days on that one.
• 1:08:14
  I definitely see where you guys are coming from.
• 1:08:16
  And that's that's a really good argument.
• 1:08:18
  Yeah. And, you know, everybody takes like their own approach to what this is.
• 1:08:24
  Like we could literally reorganize the bracket and have different winners.
• 1:08:29
  Yeah. Oh, every time. Yeah.
• 1:08:32
  So this is I mean, we're we're certainly not
• 1:08:35
  disagreeing with you about Color Out of Space being a terrific movie.
• 1:08:39
  I love that film.
• 1:08:40
  It's again, the reason I wanted to start this.
• 1:08:43
  In terms of having to rewatch something, I would definitely say Color Out of Space.
• 1:08:48
  But but you're right, though, if you're if you're approaching somebody
• 1:08:51
  who's like, what's Nick Cage all about?
• 1:08:55
  Like, I don't get it.
• 1:08:55
  Then you're going to show them Vampire's Kiss.
• 1:08:58
  100 percent. I hope that you do.
• 1:09:00
  Yeah, I'm going to show them that episode of Community.
• 1:09:02
  All the online. Oh, good choice.
• 1:09:04
  No, no. All the online reviewers seem to think that his very best work
• 1:09:08
  was Con Air and Gone in 60 Seconds.
• 1:09:10
  Gone in 60 Seconds can suck it.
• 1:09:12
  Gone in 60 seconds somehow, everybody.
• 1:09:15
  Have you guys ever had a movie that that that you never liked
• 1:09:19
  that you hated every time you watched it?
• 1:09:21
  You kept going back to it, just trying to bang your head against it,
• 1:09:24
  being like, OK, what's in here?
• 1:09:26
  What do people see? Why?
• 1:09:29
  I had to do an illustration for the Life Aquatic,
• 1:09:32
  and I've always hated that director. Me too.
• 1:09:34
  And like I watch him.
• 1:09:35
  I've I watched the movie.
• 1:09:36
  I was like fell asleep in five minutes, had to watch it again the next day.
• 1:09:39
  Fell asleep in five minutes.
• 1:09:41
  Third time I watched it, got 10 minutes into it, got a chuckle out of me.
• 1:09:43
  And now it's one of my favorite movies.
• 1:09:45
  So it's kind of like a weird like Stockholm syndrome situation.
• 1:09:51
  We need a soundboard button for I was a little drunk
• 1:09:54
  and a little horny just to play repeatedly during that.
• 1:09:58
  I'm so yeah.
• 1:10:01
  Can we can we mod this?
• 1:10:02
  Probably. OK.
• 1:10:04
  Yeah. So thank you guys for being here.
• 1:10:08
  Do you guys want to just give a little shout out to your shows?
• 1:10:12
  Yeah. What do you got to pitch?
• 1:10:13
  Yeah. So we're part of Cage's Kiss.
• 1:10:15
  We try to glean whatever kernels of wisdom we can from his movies and his life.
• 1:10:22
  And we've just we've been doing it forever.
• 1:10:26
  And I don't remember a time before it.
• 1:10:29
  Unfortunately.
• 1:10:30
  Also, Donnie and I enjoy voice acting on the side.
• 1:10:36
  And I have another little fun podcast about witches and stories
• 1:10:40
  and history called Bedknobs and Broom Flicks.
• 1:10:44
  And I'm kind of looking forward to an episode I've coming up on
• 1:10:49
  Cinema Recall in his podcast.
• 1:10:51
  We're going to be talking about of all things, because people couldn't decide
• 1:10:54
  to choose Jaws 4 for some reason.
• 1:10:56
  We're going to talk about JFK because why not?
• 1:11:02
  Jaws 4 JFK.
• 1:11:04
  Same thing. I mean, it really is, honestly.
• 1:11:08
  Just the back of the brooder films.
• 1:11:10
  A little lamb.
• 1:11:11
  No, they're not just watching the brooder films.
• 1:11:16
  Hey, this comedy podcast about to really turn it up a notch.
• 1:11:20
  Yeah. Don't listen to our 9-11 episode either.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:11:23
  That'll get you kicked.
• 1:11:25
  Just listening to that gets people canceled.
• 1:11:30
  9-11 is your favorite holiday.
• 1:11:31
  It gets you. Yeah.
• 1:11:33
  I mean, if you're going to make up holidays, just fuck it.
• 1:11:38
  Yeah. That like Linda said, doing voice acting stuff.
• 1:11:41
  And I am also getting geared up to do another full month of shark movie reviews.
• 1:11:46
  So that's can be interesting once we get that ball rolling.
• 1:11:49
  You just do that during shark month.
• 1:11:51
  No, I'm trying to time it with it if I can.
• 1:11:54
  But I intermittently do these like every two to three months, I will.
• 1:11:58
  And this is this is a search to go through all the shittiest shark
• 1:12:02
  films I can to find some chunks of gold.
• 1:12:05
  Did you talk about that Italian zombie movie where the zombie fights a shark?
• 1:12:10
  Was zombie shark? Yes.
• 1:12:14
  The last time I did this, the best film I got out of it was Bad CGI Sharks.
• 1:12:18
  That is an amazing, amazing.
• 1:12:20
  Oh, that's the title of it.
• 1:12:21
  It's called Bad CGI Sharks.
• 1:12:23
  Yes. I mean, I guess go with what you know.
• 1:12:26
  Donnie, didn't you review porn for no nut November?
• 1:12:32
  You got my attention.
• 1:12:34
  Got put off, but I am still doing a full month of story porn.
• 1:12:41
  So parody porn that has story has something going on other than just fucking.
• 1:12:46
  But then also, yes, the golden era of porn,
• 1:12:49
  because they actually had something going on in that shit versus just banging and screwing.
• 1:12:54
  When I was a kid, I was riding my bike down to go work out.
• 1:13:00
  And the fence story.
• 1:13:02
  The fence story.
• 1:13:03
  No, no. But I found like a box of pornos.
• 1:13:08
  And like I was like, oh, man, I'm going to have to come back
• 1:13:11
  and grab these on my way home, because obviously I was going to take them to the gym.
• 1:13:15
  And because I'm I want to get my pump on when I get home.
• 1:13:19
  Two. But one of them was this porno.
• 1:13:25
  And it was about this like nerd who I can't remember what it was.
• 1:13:30
  But he gets sent back in time to like ye olde medieval times.
• 1:13:35
  And I was like, oh, man, this is fucking hilarious and great.
• 1:13:40
  But then it turned into a foot fetish movie at the same time.
• 1:13:43
  And I was like, OK, this is really weird, because that's not like
• 1:13:46
  the era that I want to get into feet.
• 1:13:51
  It's like that's just corns all over them.
• 1:13:54
  Bunions. I hate a good bun.
• 1:13:57
  Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah.
• 1:13:57
  If I'm going to go shrimp and I want some nice clean toes.
• 1:14:00
  Don't call it shrimp and I'm sorry that you guys love shrimp.
• 1:14:05
  But that's the term for it.
• 1:14:06
  You're fucking up shrimp for me.
• 1:14:08
  It's terrible. I hate it.
• 1:14:10
  What do we got coming up next time, Peter?
• 1:14:12
  I don't know. I truly don't have it.
• 1:14:16
  Another movie.
• 1:14:17
  The Rock vs. National Treasure.
• 1:14:18
  I think that's right. With Seth.
• 1:14:21
  All right. Have a great night, everyone.
• 1:14:23
  Yeah. Thank you for listening.
• 1:14:24
  Thank you for our sparkle buddies on Patreon.
• 1:14:27
  Josh, John, Josie, Rico, Matt and Adam and Caged Dancers, Ira, John, Freeman
• 1:14:32
  and Lance. And you can find us on all the shit.
• 1:14:35
  We're cage match pod or cage underscore match underscore pod.
• 1:14:39
  Send us money on Patreon.
• 1:14:41
  Yeah. Give us money because for reasons, we'll do good stuff with it.
• 1:14:46
  I don't know. Maybe.
• 1:14:48
  We'll do stuff with it.
• 1:14:50
  Double masculine, double pump masculine.
• 1:14:53
  A little masculine.
• 1:14:56
  Bye bye.
• 1:15:02
  Bye bye.
• 1:15:08
  What deep thought are you in?
• 1:15:10
  Whether or not I have to go to the bathroom before we start.
• 1:15:13
  You might as well.
• 1:15:14
  Yeah, I mean, you're in the correct moment to go do it if you want to do it.
• 1:15:18
  Don't make us pull the show over.
• 1:15:20
  Yeah. Quit wasting my time, Sean.
• 1:15:22
  With that hog out.
• 1:15:26
  I'll take a pissless cage.
• 1:15:29
  A pissless cage, indeed.
• 1:15:34
  Yeah, so I don't know if you guys have listened to our show at all, but we're.
• 1:15:38
  I have.
• 1:15:39
  Dumb.
• 1:15:41
  You can say and do whatever you want on here.
• 1:15:44
  But jokes, whatever.
• 1:15:45
  It really doesn't matter.
• 1:15:46
  Peter's going to edit this to make us all sound racist in the end anyway.
• 1:15:50
  Every time we have a history with the Polish.
• 1:15:59
  All right. You guys are going to make perfect sense for us.
• 1:16:02
  Well, when we recorded about this before, our guest pointed out to us the whole
• 1:16:06
  hierarchy of llamas versus alpacas.
• 1:16:08
  So apparently it's rich people that own the alpacas.
• 1:16:12
  OK, so there was a guy at the ultrasound spot that I went to recently and he was like,
• 1:16:21
  oh, cool, cool, llama shirt.
• 1:16:22
  And I know that the llamas are the ones with the long necks because L.
• 1:16:27
  Long llama.
• 1:16:32
  And then I looked at llamas and I was like and I looked at alpacas, I was like, they
• 1:16:36
  both have fucking long necks.
• 1:16:38
  What?
• 1:16:39
  They both have long necks.
• 1:16:40
  This doesn't mean anything to me.
• 1:16:41
  I'm worse off now.
• 1:16:42
  Now you're just more confused.
• 1:16:43
  Yeah.
• 1:16:44
  Now I'm just assuming everything's a llama.
• 1:16:45
  Alpacas are softer.
• 1:16:46
  It's a llama.