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Who created the world · Life In Flow Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Life in Flow podcast.
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The three of us,
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Yulia,
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Polina,
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and Irina,
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are exploring what Life in Flow and Flow in Life is.
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Join us as we experiment,
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test our diverse hypotheses,
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and have fun in the process.
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SPEAKER_00: Will we find an answer?
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SPEAKER_00: This isn't just an intellectual discussion.
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SPEAKER_00: We're co-creating a shared field beyond words.
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We're attuning to what emerges moment by moment so that the
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conversation itself
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SPEAKER_00: becomes a group flow experience.
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SPEAKER_02: And we invite you to become an active participant in this experiment.
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SPEAKER_02: There will be pauses and moments of silence.
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SPEAKER_02: We leave them on purpose because this is where magic happens.
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SPEAKER_01: Go beyond the intellectual information.
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SPEAKER_01: Listen with your whole body.
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SPEAKER_01: and notice how your somatic experience shifts in the process.
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Share with us what reveals itself in the space where mind,
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body,
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and energy flow together.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the new episode of Life & Flow podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: Here we are again, Yulia, Polina, and Irina, discussing
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and looking for answers to different questions related to our
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big question,
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SPEAKER_02: what life and flow is and what it means.
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SPEAKER_02: And the question we are discussing today is who created the world?
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SPEAKER_02: And I think it is important for us to talk about it because
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SPEAKER_02: Every time we say something like,
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we need to surrender control and let's learn to trust life and
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to trust the flow of
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SPEAKER_02: life,
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SPEAKER_02: some doubts may arise regarding,
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SPEAKER_02: like,
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SPEAKER_02: what do we mean by that?
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SPEAKER_02: What exactly are we supposed to trust?
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Is there some kind of God or maybe some specific God that will
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take care of us if
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SPEAKER_02: we surrender control and let it go and let it all flow?
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SPEAKER_02: Or, I don't know, the guardian angels or the spiritual guides?
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SPEAKER_02: I think this is the zeitgeist nowadays.
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SPEAKER_02: Everyone has a spiritual guide.
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SPEAKER_02: So...
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I think it's necessary to clarify the structure of the
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worldviews behind everything
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SPEAKER_02: what we are saying.
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SPEAKER_02: And here I need to make a disclosure for our listeners.
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SPEAKER_02: We are not preaching anything.
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SPEAKER_02: During this conversation, we are not aiming at finding any truth.
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SPEAKER_02: and know at any moment we will say that,
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SPEAKER_02: okay,
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SPEAKER_02: this is the true worldview,
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SPEAKER_02: this is how things work,
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SPEAKER_02: and everyone should think this way.
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SPEAKER_02: We will be just sharing our views on the things.
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SPEAKER_02: It is actually the first time we will be discussing this topic.
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SPEAKER_02: So we have never talked about these things between the three of us,
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SPEAKER_02: and it will be the mutual discovery for all the participants.
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SPEAKER_02: And with this being said,
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SPEAKER_02: as usual,
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SPEAKER_02: we will do first our warm-up game,
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SPEAKER_02: but it will be a little bit different from the
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the game we usually play in the beginning,
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although it is still about telling stories.
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SPEAKER_02: I invite us to imagine that we are gathered around the fireplace,
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SPEAKER_02: just like our ancestors did,
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SPEAKER_02: telling stories about
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the world came to be and how it all happened and you're like
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the legends the myths
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and all what they believed in so I invite us to play with
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creating the myth of
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origin but of course we will be playing following our usual
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rules of the game of
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SPEAKER_02: the flow
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SPEAKER_02: So we will go in turns.
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And I think for the sake of the order,
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I will establish the order in which we will speak.
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SPEAKER_02: I think, let's put it this way.
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SPEAKER_02: I will start again.
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SPEAKER_02: I will break the rules.
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SPEAKER_02: And I will start, then Yuli will go, and then Polina, and then me again.
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SPEAKER_02: And we will do three circles like this.
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And each of us will say one sentence to continue the story that
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has been weaved before.
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SPEAKER_02: And, of course, we will be weaving the story and, you know, like...
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SPEAKER_02: saying the words as we usually do,
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SPEAKER_02: allowing things to emerge based on our somatic resonance with the field,
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SPEAKER_02: with the process and with ourselves.
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SPEAKER_02: So I will say the first phrase
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based on some image that will come to my mind and based on my
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somatic experience
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how I feel my body feels resonating with the image that emerges
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for me and the
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words that come to describe this image one phrase just one
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sentence listen how my
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words resonate with your body and through this somatic
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experience let the next
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image to come to your mind and the words to describe this image
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to continue the
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SPEAKER_02: story and so in this way we will say nine phrases that mmm
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SPEAKER_02: supposedly will create our imaginary myth of origin of the world.
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SPEAKER_02: So like,
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let go of everything that you know about the mythologies and
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science and how it is
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SPEAKER_02: supposed to be told and everything what you know,
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SPEAKER_02: just whatever comes to our mind,
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SPEAKER_02: let our imagination lose and let's see what happens.
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SPEAKER_02: And so
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Once upon a time,
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there was a bright,
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bright star in the dark,
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vast sea of nothing.
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SPEAKER_02: And the star was shining brightly.
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but somehow it felt a little bit empty and lonely because there
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wasn't anyone to
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SPEAKER_02: share the light with.
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SPEAKER_00: And so the star decided to
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heat itself up and generate even more star energy and explode
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itself all over the
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SPEAKER_00: galaxy to explore and witness its own power and energy and
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SPEAKER_00: exploration through space.
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SPEAKER_02: And there were so many old things all of the sudden,
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SPEAKER_02: the stars and energy and particles and there was chaos.
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and the chaos took over the space around the star and the star
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did not know what
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SPEAKER_02: was happening or what
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would happen but the star knew that something was emerging
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something that it didn't
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have control over because it was being co-created by the chaos
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and by the whole
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SPEAKER_02: universe
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And it was a really cool new experience because the star was
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both aware of itself
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SPEAKER_00: and of all its different parts.
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SPEAKER_00: And it had to learn how to
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synthesize and integrate all of these new and various
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experiences and sensations
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and energies and all of the different interactive qualities
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that were happening.
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And now,
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sorry,
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because chaos is happening in Berlin here,
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so I just need to
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SPEAKER_02: close the window because it wants to get inside.
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I guess it was the cue from the field to ask that it was the
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time to rob us in our myth.
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SPEAKER_02: And then to conclude,
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I will say that since then the star was thread by thread
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exploring its connection
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SPEAKER_02: to all the other parts of the
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SPEAKER_02: Everything was created out of it.
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And they were playing both ways by exploring these threads of
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connection and seeing
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SPEAKER_02: what happens if they send different signals
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SPEAKER_02: in one direction and in the other.
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And then the rest started exploring the other connections
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between different parts.
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And here they are still playing with exploring these threads of
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connection.
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SPEAKER_02: And the star grew so fond of playing and this playful and experimental
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state it stopped being afraid of the chaos because it saw how
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the chaos then
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changed by connections and interconnectedness and one thing was
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leading to another
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SPEAKER_02: and things were in constant flux
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um and constant play and that's it decided that really enjoyed
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this state of being
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SPEAKER_00: do you want to conclude sure the particles decided to go and find
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globes of other stars to explore and occupy and build and
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report back to what it
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SPEAKER_00: found and what it played with and what it created and what it built.
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SPEAKER_00: And it became a whole matrix of parts of the star exploring,
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SPEAKER_00: building,
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SPEAKER_00: creating all over the galaxy.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, thank you very much for this book creative storytelling.
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SPEAKER_02: I think our myth of origin is quite telling.
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SPEAKER_02: So I suspect that maybe we will discover that...
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There might be some similarities between how we describe to
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ourselves the origin of
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SPEAKER_02: the world,
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because this is actually my first question I want to begin our
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discussion with,
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SPEAKER_02: just going directly to the topic.
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SPEAKER_02: How do you describe to yourself how the world was created?
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SPEAKER_02: Again,
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SPEAKER_02: we're not interested in what we know about what smart people say,
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SPEAKER_02: the experts or whatever,
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SPEAKER_02: but we all have something that we're telling to ourselves.
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SPEAKER_02: And again,
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SPEAKER_02: just to give you an example of what I mean by my question,
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SPEAKER_02: what kind of answers I invite us to share,
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again we'll break our normal rules and we'll go first because i
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actually have
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different models which i i wouldn't say that i believe that
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this is what happens
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SPEAKER_02: and how things work but to which i see the possibility that well
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SPEAKER_02: could be this way.
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SPEAKER_02: And the models may be as freaky as
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SPEAKER_02: Well, not freaking... This one is quite... It's a famous one.
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I do admit that it's possible that we are a part of the
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computer simulation.
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SPEAKER_02: Or maybe we're a part of the video game and someone is playing with us.
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SPEAKER_02: One day I came up with... Not... I didn't come up with it.
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SPEAKER_02: I came across...
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SPEAKER_02: a really freaky theory.
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SPEAKER_02: But later I found out that,
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SPEAKER_02: not found out,
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SPEAKER_02: I decided,
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SPEAKER_02: well,
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there may be something into it because it really was resonating
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with many things
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SPEAKER_02: that many theories and teachings I have heard around,
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SPEAKER_02: for example,
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SPEAKER_02: the mechanisms of reincarnation.
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SPEAKER_02: So that freaky theory was saying that, hmm,
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SPEAKER_02: There are these superior beings who live,
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SPEAKER_02: usually they live on Sirius or on some other star constellation,
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SPEAKER_02: in Pleiades,
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SPEAKER_02: something there.
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There are these superior beings who have found the way to
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prolong their life
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almost forever and but for that they're from time to time they
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need to discharge
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certain like the excess of certain energies and for this they
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have invented this
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SPEAKER_02: some kind of uh
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SPEAKER_02: again,
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it looks like the video simulation or like the virtual reality
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simulation for them,
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SPEAKER_02: which is actually the incarnation on Earth.
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So like everything what we are living through is actually like
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this virtual reality
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simulation for these beings that allows them to discharge this
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excess of energy and
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SPEAKER_02: like this,
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SPEAKER_02: live almost forever.
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I'm not saying that I believe in that,
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but I'm saying that from time to time,
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I think,
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why not?
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SPEAKER_02: It might be possible.
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SPEAKER_02: But the model I really usually use for myself to sustain all my other,
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SPEAKER_02: let's say,
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rationales and explanations of other things that happen in life
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and in my life,
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SPEAKER_02: is the following.
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SPEAKER_02: And I like it simply because I find it beautiful.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the only reason.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't think that it's not about the faith.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not about believing that this is really the truth.
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SPEAKER_02: I just find it beautiful.
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SPEAKER_02: And I like living in this system of thinking.
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And it parallels quite a lot with our myth of creation,
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but we can't create it.
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SPEAKER_02: So I love the idea
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SPEAKER_02: that originally there was a spirit,
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SPEAKER_02: like this original consciousness,
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SPEAKER_02: or however we may call it,
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SPEAKER_02: that at a certain point became aware of itself.
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SPEAKER_02: And because from my own process of
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SPEAKER_02: self-awareness,
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SPEAKER_02: I know that once you start developing this inner observer,
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SPEAKER_02: the process multiplies all of a sudden exponentially.
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SPEAKER_02: So all of a sudden you are just you,
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SPEAKER_02: then there is you and the observer,
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SPEAKER_02: then there is another observer that
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SPEAKER_02: absorbs the other two.
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Then there is the fourth observer that absorbs in the previous
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three and so forth and so forth.
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SPEAKER_02: And here we have a big bang.
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So I think this big bang is actually the multiplication of even
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inner observers of
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SPEAKER_02: this initial spirit,
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SPEAKER_02: the original spirit that became
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SPEAKER_02: aware of itself.
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SPEAKER_02: And now everything,
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what is going on is just this process of self-exploration of
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what else can I
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SPEAKER_02: experience through different forms and experiences.
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SPEAKER_02: That is the story I'm telling myself.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: I must say my stories are much more
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SPEAKER_02: I'd say down to earth.
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SPEAKER_02: And I rarely go to the origination point.
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that that that started with the you know like this uh light um
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in the story and in
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the meditation that we did before this episode um that what i'm
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thinking about is
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and i share this with you um i once heard actually from a
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scientist how she was uh
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SPEAKER_02: talking about her
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research into plants so she is researching communication of
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plants and she
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discovered how plants talk and it led her to consider like to
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expand the context
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And include also,
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well,
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we all know the Gaia hypothesis that our Earth is a living
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creature.
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SPEAKER_02: And how she was describing it that,
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SPEAKER_02: okay,
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SPEAKER_02: she was born,
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SPEAKER_02: let's say,
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SPEAKER_02: and she did get into this experimental mood.
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SPEAKER_02: So, okay, let's see what,
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SPEAKER_02: I shall create with myself.
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SPEAKER_02: Well,
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SPEAKER_02: not quite with myself,
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SPEAKER_02: but it's other...
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SPEAKER_02: Okay,
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SPEAKER_02: like the moon and the sun and lots of other,
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SPEAKER_02: of course,
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SPEAKER_02: bodies and beings are involved.
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SPEAKER_02: But anyway, she's hosting the creation and that's what she's been doing.
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SPEAKER_02: She's like, okay, let's play with how I can...
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sense in various ways,
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being a plant,
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being an animal,
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being a stone,
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being water.
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And then she described also how after some of the experiments,
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some things didn't work out.
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And we went through an ice age where she was just sleeping and
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recharging and
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SPEAKER_02: recovering and coming up with new energy and ideas.
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SPEAKER_02: And now we're going for another round.
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SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
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SPEAKER_02: that is,
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SPEAKER_02: I guess,
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SPEAKER_02: how quite rationally one can say compared to some of Edith's stories.
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SPEAKER_02: I look at this.
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SPEAKER_02: And also, I've been really fascinated lately.
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SPEAKER_02: I listened to this book about plants and all that we know now,
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SPEAKER_02: even for science,
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SPEAKER_02: about how plants have all the five senses that we have and more of that.
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SPEAKER_02: and how we,
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SPEAKER_02: of course,
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SPEAKER_02: became possible only because of plants,
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because plants learned how to harness the sun energy and all
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these things.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's like,
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SPEAKER_02: if you look at this like this,
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SPEAKER_02: so there was whatever,
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SPEAKER_02: rocks and water and then plants.
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SPEAKER_02: And so everything that we are made of, it's kind of like more and more
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Technologies and materials were becoming available,
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but we are a mix,
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a mix of plants.
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I mean,
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we have so much stuff in common with plants,
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if you go,
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even those senses.
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SPEAKER_02: And so it's like the interconnectedness at a very, how is this?
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SPEAKER_02: Like at a very visceral level to me, like, oh, wow.
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i'm a rock i'm a plant i'm well of course an animal but of
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course i'm also water
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which is 99 of who i am um so and it's not per se the story of
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this but it's the
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SPEAKER_02: story of how she is creating i don't know she's being you know
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So the down-to-earth part comes to that basically the original
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spirit in your myth
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SPEAKER_02: of origin is Gaia,
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SPEAKER_02: is the earth.
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And everything is related to the manifestations on the
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sensorial and the material plane.
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SPEAKER_02: That question about the origin, I haven't thought about it yet.
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SPEAKER_02: So the focal point...
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SPEAKER_02: is she.
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SPEAKER_02: Where did the spark come from?
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SPEAKER_02: I was not thinking about that.
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SPEAKER_02: No, that's okay.
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SPEAKER_02: We are not going to answer all the questions of the world.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: Balina, what is your story?
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SPEAKER_00: I actually don't have a story.
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SPEAKER_00: For me it's more of like a question that lives inside and around me.
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I'm curious about all the different stories that exist and
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tuning into them and
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SPEAKER_00: seeing what resonates,
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SPEAKER_00: what doesn't.
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SPEAKER_00: In Yulia's story,
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SPEAKER_00: I just basically had the sensation of like a plant,
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SPEAKER_00: like that we became walking plants.
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SPEAKER_00: We were walking plants.
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SPEAKER_00: We're like an evolved version of a plan, right?
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SPEAKER_00: A plan that decided, you know what?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to stand here anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to go and traverse this rock.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: When I look at it from biology perspective,
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SPEAKER_00: my thoughts lead me to considering the maybe what...
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was first like the spark for the generative aspect of whatever
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whatever started
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shifting and changing might have been something smaller than a
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plant so like you
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know a virus or a bacteria or some kind of very simple organism
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that eventually
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SPEAKER_00: maybe turned into a plant which would then
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probably trigger all the rest of what needed to happen for the
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planet to get to
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SPEAKER_00: where it got to.
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But that's like the kind of the biology aspect of it,
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the chemistry aspect of it.
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Now,
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in terms of like the the spirit aspect of it,
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that's a whole other question.
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SPEAKER_00: Somehow,
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somehow I'm not sure whether we were just like evolved out of
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all the elements or
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SPEAKER_00: what was there,
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SPEAKER_00: was there,
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consciousness out there that decided to come and embody
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whatever was available here
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to to like see if it could influence or manipulate or like
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change the experience or
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have an experience uh those elements are always kind of like a
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mystery and i'm not
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SPEAKER_00: sure and um
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SPEAKER_00: But for me, it almost like all of it exists together.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, who knows what started it?
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But things had to evolve to the degree that they did from
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whatever they did in
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SPEAKER_00: order for this experience to be possible.
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't have a theory.
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SPEAKER_00: It's more like questions.
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SPEAKER_02: No,
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but the last question that you said that I don't know
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everything is possible,
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SPEAKER_02: Danny said it right.
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It's about whether consciousness is coming from matter or the
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other way around.
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SPEAKER_02: The matter is coming from consciousness.
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SPEAKER_00: This is what you were talking about or no?
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SPEAKER_00: That's true because the third question in that,
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SPEAKER_00: the next question is,
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SPEAKER_00: does consciousness come from matter?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, was consciousness already part of matter?
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
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But if that was the case,
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then it's maybe closer to what Yulia's describing.
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rather than our game where we started with a star of energy out
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in the ethers that
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explodes and then stuff comes here so let me make a blunt
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question yeah to both of
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SPEAKER_02: you is there god
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SPEAKER_02: any kind of god,
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SPEAKER_02: or gods,
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SPEAKER_02: or an absolute,
29:13
SPEAKER_02: whatever,
29:14
SPEAKER_02: or whatever your superior consciousness that rules the world.
29:23
SPEAKER_02: For me, it's the god is maybe she, and this being
29:40
SPEAKER_02: a very interconnected and very diverse experience.
29:58
SPEAKER_02: It's like she, in multiplicity of forms, is
30:12
SPEAKER_02: doing something?
30:15
SPEAKER_02: That is actually a very tricky question, God.
30:19
SPEAKER_02: I do actually believe that there is that power.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: And for me, the power that I have really come to
30:41
SPEAKER_02: to adore, obey, experience is the power of nature, I guess.
30:59
SPEAKER_02: the power of,
31:02
SPEAKER_02: I don't know,
31:03
SPEAKER_02: time,
31:04
SPEAKER_02: those things that obviously,
31:06
SPEAKER_02: you know,
31:09
SPEAKER_02: we have no control over.
31:12
SPEAKER_02: And it's, yeah.
31:18
SPEAKER_02: But actually, it's a hard question.
31:19
This is the first time that I'm publicly trying to say
31:22
something on the point.
31:26
SPEAKER_02: I know.
31:29
Constantly getting out of this comfort zone trying to talk
31:33
about something we have
31:35
SPEAKER_02: not talked about before.
31:38
So the sea that you're referring to is the Gaia being that you
31:46
talked about.
31:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:48
SPEAKER_02: Right.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: And the power of nature
31:55
SPEAKER_02: I guess, I'm just trying to process what you shared.
32:00
SPEAKER_02: I guess the power of nature will be some kind of connected,
32:04
SPEAKER_02: the power of this being,
32:06
SPEAKER_02: of the Gaia.
32:07
SPEAKER_02: Totally, yeah.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: The power of time,
32:09
is it related to her or is it just the separate force that also
32:13
some kind of rules
32:16
SPEAKER_02: all the processes?
32:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of course, time probably is not specific.
32:23
SPEAKER_02: to her,
32:24
SPEAKER_02: and of course for her to be possible,
32:28
SPEAKER_02: she has to have context,
32:31
SPEAKER_02: conditions,
32:33
SPEAKER_02: a lot of other entities involved.
32:35
SPEAKER_02: So realizing that, for me, she is the power.
32:43
SPEAKER_02: And we have touched upon it
32:51
SPEAKER_02: to a certain extent, when we talked about whether the world is life.
33:00
SPEAKER_02: So I think,
33:01
SPEAKER_02: I guess,
33:02
SPEAKER_02: can imagine your answer,
33:08
SPEAKER_02: but...
33:10
SPEAKER_02: So,
33:11
SPEAKER_02: like,
33:11
SPEAKER_02: this being,
33:13
SPEAKER_02: this she,
33:15
SPEAKER_02: the powerful being of Gaia,
33:18
SPEAKER_02: that plays with...
33:21
SPEAKER_02: all the possible ways of sensing itself in the world.
33:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to draw a picture of your idea of its consciousness.
33:39
SPEAKER_02: So is it the deliberate process for her?
33:43
SPEAKER_02: Is she deliberately playing with everything?
33:48
SPEAKER_02: Or is it just like, okay,
33:51
I'm in this vast space and let the all different parts of me do
33:57
something and I
33:58
SPEAKER_02: will feel all of it.
34:01
I think she's in creative flow much like we are and I think
34:04
this process actually
34:05
is kind of maybe it's a universal process which of creativity
34:13
that's going on at
34:15
any given time like everywhere because everything is
34:19
interacting and being impacted
34:22
SPEAKER_02: and being modified and transformed transformed by
34:28
SPEAKER_02: everything else,
34:29
SPEAKER_02: and she is conscious of that,
34:32
and she's very good at flowing with many things that she has no
34:38
idea about.
34:38
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
34:45
SPEAKER_02: Greater flow is still quite a telling description, to us at least.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for sharing.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: Malina, please.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for the invitation.
35:06
SPEAKER_00: I,
35:12
SPEAKER_00: yeah,
35:13
SPEAKER_00: so because I haven't had really a conversation on this topic,
35:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm realizing that I find myself in quite a new world.
35:24
domain i think internally around it so um um i i don't know
35:31
that i resonate with
35:32
the the concept of duality when it comes to i guess whatever
35:37
the higher force or
35:39
energy is i think i actually wonder whether the duality of like
35:47
female male was
35:48
SPEAKER_00: that created
35:53
in the image of whatever originated first or was it just like a
35:59
cool experiment to
36:00
see or was it necessary in order for biologically this planet
36:06
to evolve um i
36:11
definitely think there's some kind of like greater organizing
36:15
force or energy uh or
36:18
SPEAKER_00: frequency i don't
36:22
SPEAKER_00: I don't really have any predetermined concepts about it.
36:30
SPEAKER_00: The word God, I know we use it, but I don't know.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: It depends on who you talk to.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: What does that word even mean?
36:38
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I even resonate with that word,
36:40
SPEAKER_00: but I understand that that's the word that has come to be.
36:43
SPEAKER_00: When I tune into like
36:53
the thing that i feel like permeates us and also everything
36:57
around us from my
37:01
SPEAKER_00: limited perspective i feel like the name of the game is energy energy has
37:08
properties and qualities to it that go beyond the physical
37:14
realm of who we are as
37:15
SPEAKER_00: humans um
37:24
SPEAKER_00: Does energy have source?
37:26
SPEAKER_00: That's a really good question.
37:27
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
37:27
SPEAKER_00: What is the source of this energy that permeates all of it?
37:34
SPEAKER_00: Is source a human concept?
37:37
Because we cannot even fathom what would it be like without an
37:44
origin for source.
37:51
I think there is like sort of an intelligence that is that
37:57
comes through this
37:58
energy and then the rest of it kind of has been formed or
38:02
functions around it.
38:04
And that is all that I can say that I think lands for me at
38:11
this point in time.
38:14
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
38:15
SPEAKER_02: But I will drill you a little bit more.
38:18
SPEAKER_02: Like...
38:21
SPEAKER_02: Because there are different aspects of what you described.
38:26
SPEAKER_02: The energy that permeates everything.
38:29
SPEAKER_02: To me, it sounds like more in lines of the force of time.
38:34
SPEAKER_02: So this is just the force that underlies everything.
38:40
SPEAKER_02: And...
38:41
allows the all the processes to happen and they it's it's a
38:47
part of all the
38:47
processes but if i understood it right it's not necessarily is
38:53
manifestation of
38:54
SPEAKER_02: that intelligence or is it
39:00
SPEAKER_00: I don't know where I stand in regards to time,
39:06
SPEAKER_00: other than for me,
39:08
SPEAKER_00: it might be a contract of density.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: Like when energy meets density, maybe that's the experience of time.
39:15
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: But what was your other question?
39:19
SPEAKER_02: No, no.
39:20
SPEAKER_02: My question actually not was about the time.
39:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, like the energy and the like this...
39:28
SPEAKER_02: intelligence that comes through everything,
39:33
SPEAKER_02: are they the same thing or are they two different things?
39:37
SPEAKER_02: Because from what you described,
39:39
SPEAKER_02: the energy seems to me like one of the laws,
39:43
SPEAKER_02: like we have the physical laws,
39:45
SPEAKER_02: it's like...
39:48
one of these elements,
39:49
just the constructive elements of the life and the universe.
39:53
Whereas the intelligence that comes through everything,
39:58
the super intelligence,
40:00
is...
40:01
may be manifesting through this energy or it may be something
40:05
else this is what i'm
40:07
trying to clarify i have never separated those two until right
40:12
now okay that
40:14
SPEAKER_00: separation and as i tune into what you're describing
40:19
SPEAKER_00: that could very well be.
40:22
So intelligence as a concept,
40:24
I don't know,
40:25
because is that like a human construct?
40:28
SPEAKER_00: That's what we created in our brains about what intelligence is.
40:31
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
40:33
But let's say a greater intelligence that carries within it
40:39
whatever is necessary
40:41
SPEAKER_00: for self-organization,
40:42
SPEAKER_00: creation,
40:43
SPEAKER_00: communication,
40:44
SPEAKER_00: connection,
40:45
SPEAKER_00: all that stuff.
40:48
maybe as a contract of intelligence can that be separate from
40:51
energy actually maybe
40:53
it could because there are different kinds of energies which
40:56
means that the
40:57
energies can have different qualities so then those qualities
41:00
is something that is
41:02
SPEAKER_00: infused into the energy potentially i don't know okay
41:08
SPEAKER_02: But is the component of... It's almost the same question I asked Yulia.
41:16
SPEAKER_02: So,
41:16
SPEAKER_02: like,
41:16
this great intelligence in the way how it manifests in the
41:23
world is the component
41:25
SPEAKER_02: of free will and deliberation.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: I lost you, I guess.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: You didn't lose me.
41:41
I was just,
41:42
it's funny because I actually had like an IFS process recently.
41:48
SPEAKER_00: And I met a part in the process that was not me necessarily,
42:01
SPEAKER_00: nor was it from this space and time.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: And when I connect to that part,
42:06
SPEAKER_00: which is what came up right now,
42:08
SPEAKER_00: that's why I had that blank stare,
42:09
SPEAKER_00: that part actually has no emotion about what happens.
42:15
SPEAKER_00: It has no opinions.
42:17
SPEAKER_00: It has no concept of the struggle that we have as human beings.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: It just kind of observes and exists to observe.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: And
42:38
SPEAKER_00: So I think intelligence can be so many different things.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: Because an observer is also intelligence,
42:47
SPEAKER_00: but has no connection to emotions in the way that we do as humans.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: So does that mean?
42:53
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
42:56
I always,
42:57
right now,
42:58
at this point in time,
42:59
I'm not sure what part of things...
43:02
that i used to believe or used to track are like really human
43:06
human stuff and i
43:07
don't know to what degree that higher intelligence is really
43:11
has anything to do
43:11
with human like human anything so um i know that doesn't answer
43:17
your question i'm
43:17
sorry i do i really right now i have more questions than
43:21
answers and questions not
43:22
SPEAKER_00: even in a way of i need to know it's more like
43:25
SPEAKER_00: oh, I don't know, I wonder, you know, oh, that's a cool theory.
43:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh, wouldn't that be fun if we're walking plants?
43:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's kind of like that.
43:33
SPEAKER_02: No, you did answer my question.
43:36
SPEAKER_02: And actually,
43:36
I think it's okay that we don't have the answers and just more
43:41
questions arise as
43:42
SPEAKER_02: we talk because I think we stated from the beginning of every episode,
43:49
SPEAKER_02: like,
43:50
SPEAKER_02: will we find an answer?
43:51
SPEAKER_02: We don't know.
43:54
It's not about finding answers,
43:55
it's about pondering and flowing together in this exploration.
44:03
SPEAKER_02: But I think...
44:07
SPEAKER_02: Yula?
44:08
SPEAKER_02: Can I say something in response to Paulina?
44:10
SPEAKER_02: Because something that she said came up for me,
44:14
and when she said that she discovered this part that didn't
44:19
come maybe from this
44:21
SPEAKER_02: planet or whatever this time,
44:23
SPEAKER_02: and was not unlike all other parts.
44:27
SPEAKER_02: And this brings me also to this part of, I think, how I see...
44:35
SPEAKER_02: Gaia creating because we are also made from stars and it's like,
44:44
SPEAKER_02: for example,
44:45
SPEAKER_02: some parts of us are not to be found and not only humans.
44:49
I also thought,
44:50
by the way,
44:50
I don't think humans do have the highest intelligence.
44:58
SPEAKER_02: I think that beings that had been here
45:02
much earlier since much earlier than we do for example like the
45:06
elements the rocks
45:09
the trees the plants that they have much more superior
45:15
intelligence that we humans
45:16
do we just um you know haven't figured out how to really
45:21
measure that intelligence
45:23
with what we have as far as science but it's like in in
45:27
returning to uh the
45:33
like other other planets and beings like i actually believe
45:38
that i'm also made not
45:40
only from the plant material and based on the plant
45:44
intelligence but also with
45:46
SPEAKER_02: literally
45:48
SPEAKER_02: pieces and particles of stars inside of me.
45:53
SPEAKER_02: Well, by the way, this is only even the scientific thing.
45:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's not a belief.
45:58
SPEAKER_02: It's like stardust.
46:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
46:07
SPEAKER_02: I think my stance on the God sort of correlates to what you both share.
46:16
SPEAKER_02: At a certain point,
46:18
I always believed that there is some kind of high intelligence
46:25
that permeates
46:27
SPEAKER_02: everything.
46:28
SPEAKER_02: It sets the laws of how everything functions.
46:34
And one day,
46:36
some years ago,
46:37
it dawned on me that this God is actually life.
46:44
SPEAKER_02: And so,
46:45
SPEAKER_02: like,
46:45
SPEAKER_02: my concept of all of this life as God,
46:51
SPEAKER_02: quite similar to what Yule describes as the she-gaya being,
46:58
SPEAKER_02: although for me,
46:58
SPEAKER_02: it englobes not just,
47:01
SPEAKER_02: like,
47:01
SPEAKER_02: the life on the earth,
47:04
SPEAKER_02: but life in general as,
47:10
SPEAKER_02: yeah,
47:11
SPEAKER_02: just...
47:14
SPEAKER_02: self-organizing system of ever-growing complexity.
47:19
SPEAKER_02: And to me,
47:21
it's more like this superior intelligence that the
47:27
consciousness that permeates
47:29
SPEAKER_02: everything.
47:30
SPEAKER_02: I imagine it more like to each of my cells,
47:41
SPEAKER_02: me as like the whole being is a God,
47:44
but I'm not controlling and managing consciously the
47:50
functioning of each of my
47:52
SPEAKER_02: cells.
47:52
SPEAKER_02: It's a self-organizing system.
47:56
SPEAKER_02: So I imagine it like on the global level is something like this,
48:00
SPEAKER_02: that this,
48:01
the original spark of the consciousness that started becoming
48:06
aware of itself and
48:07
SPEAKER_02: it turned out
48:09
grew into this complex body of interconnectedness where things
48:16
are happening.
48:17
And as I am not managing the experience and the function of
48:21
each of my cells,
48:22
I still have a lot of experiences through all this
48:27
interconnectedness of different
48:29
SPEAKER_02: elements of me.
48:30
SPEAKER_02: So I think at the global scale, it happens the same.
48:33
SPEAKER_02: So yes, there is this...
48:41
consciousness that allows this self-organizing system not only
48:50
exists,
48:50
but to be alive.
48:54
SPEAKER_02: But does not necessarily turn into this, you're like...
49:00
SPEAKER_02: The guy with the beard,
49:02
SPEAKER_02: as we imagine,
49:03
the guy who looks at us from the sky and he makes the decisions
49:09
about everyone and
49:11
SPEAKER_02: every life in the universe.
49:14
SPEAKER_00: Or the sky with the embers in the other location.
49:20
SPEAKER_00: It's funny how it's all guys.
49:22
SPEAKER_00: Well...
49:28
OK,
49:29
I will not go now into the gender question,
49:33
but we will salute the Gaia.
49:36
Well,
49:37
I mean,
49:37
the gender question has been brought up because Gaia has a
49:41
gender.
49:42
SPEAKER_00: So that's true.
49:44
SPEAKER_00: That's true.
49:45
And I guess from what I received for you,
49:49
that was important that it's she.
49:52
And I don't know if my absolute being,
49:57
the superior consciousness,
49:59
has a gender.
50:02
SPEAKER_02: Right.
50:03
SPEAKER_02: I do have theories about the origins of the gender energies.
50:16
SPEAKER_02: But yeah,
50:17
SPEAKER_02: in the end,
50:17
it's still a manifestation of these different ways of
50:22
experiencing oneself.
50:23
SPEAKER_02: So I can be in one way or can be in another way.
50:28
SPEAKER_02: So then all the other things also go in this direction, some more...
50:33
feminine like what we tend to call feminine energy some more
50:38
masculine energy and
50:40
it's a spectrum and everything falls like somewhere in the
50:44
between on the spectrum
50:45
SPEAKER_02: so
50:49
SPEAKER_02: What about guardian angels and the spiritual guides?
50:57
SPEAKER_02: Basically,
50:59
SPEAKER_02: because we need to speed up a little bit the process,
51:04
SPEAKER_02: the question I want the answer for is,
51:08
SPEAKER_02: and I watched it already,
51:10
SPEAKER_02: when we say trust life,
51:13
SPEAKER_02: trust the flow of life,
51:15
SPEAKER_02: surrender control,
51:19
SPEAKER_02: whom do we entrusting ourselves?
51:27
SPEAKER_02: Any spiritual guides on the process?
51:34
SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm...
51:37
SPEAKER_02: In the context of interconnectedness,
51:40
SPEAKER_02: I think it would be foolish and stupid to try to control things,
51:46
SPEAKER_02: because there are so many things going on every single moment.
51:52
SPEAKER_02: And the way that I see the creative process is being...
51:57
a mix or a constant mixture of ingredients and beings and
52:04
processes that many of
52:06
them we do not recognize and you as being let's say a grain of
52:15
sand in this process
52:19
SPEAKER_02: hmm maybe it makes sense to you know be the
52:27
grain of sand,
52:29
but also finding pleasures and some of the autonomy in the
52:36
process.
52:39
SPEAKER_02: And I do believe in non-corporeal beings,
52:48
SPEAKER_02: but I haven't had an experience of having a guardian angel,
52:54
SPEAKER_02: but
52:57
SPEAKER_02: the more I have been or the deeper I have been connecting to plants,
53:03
the more I feel or I sense how from them I get certain messages
53:17
of also protection
53:22
SPEAKER_02: that I would imagine those guardians provide.
53:30
And I had a couple of experiences where I was like,
53:36
wow,
53:37
wow,
53:38
is this like for real?
53:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
53:43
SPEAKER_02: So this is my
53:46
my plants they're not actually my plants I'm probably I'm I'm
53:51
their offspring so
53:53
but they take me in to the protection now I guess more often
53:58
than other beings so
54:01
SPEAKER_02: to summarize a little bit more from what I heard or like
54:06
SPEAKER_02: There are some spiritual beings,
54:09
SPEAKER_02: like non-comporeal beings that are not from the matter,
54:13
SPEAKER_02: that they may guide you in the process or may not,
54:17
but it's not because you are supposed to set on the correct
54:22
path and you have the
54:24
SPEAKER_02: destiny and they will guide you in the process,
54:27
SPEAKER_02: but they will just help you,
54:28
SPEAKER_02: or maybe not,
54:30
SPEAKER_02: to fit in this playful game of...
54:36
SPEAKER_02: is global interconnectedness, right?
54:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
54:42
And how it goes,
54:43
of course,
54:44
depends also on me to some extent,
54:47
how I relate to this.
54:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:53
SPEAKER_02: Paulina?
54:55
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
54:56
SPEAKER_00: It's thanks to Yulia,
54:57
SPEAKER_00: I get to explore,
54:58
SPEAKER_00: like,
54:59
I feel like I get to travel and explore other connections that
55:03
I myself have not
55:06
SPEAKER_00: put so much focus on.
55:07
SPEAKER_00: But it's really cool.
55:08
SPEAKER_00: It's fun.
55:09
It's like almost like reading a really cool story about us,
55:13
about,
55:14
you know,
55:15
and like I
55:28
mean i don't think energy needs to be in a body per se so not
55:34
even needs to be i
55:35
don't i don't think it it i think it's in some bodies whether
55:39
it's human bodies or
55:41
SPEAKER_00: animal bodies or plant bodies or um water but um guardian angels
55:52
and beings yeah i think for me i think they're energy forms
55:57
that exist um i also
56:04
think that like when we talk about the concept of the higher
56:10
self that's uh
56:13
um that's uh my own personal connection to energy that's beyond
56:19
just like this what
56:20
i usually experience on a daily basis so that in itself can
56:24
also be kind of a
56:25
SPEAKER_00: guardian angel like you're from that perspective um
56:41
SPEAKER_00: it's so funny that I feel so reticent to,
56:44
SPEAKER_00: to,
56:44
SPEAKER_00: to,
56:44
SPEAKER_00: to talk about this because there's,
56:49
SPEAKER_00: uh,
56:50
SPEAKER_00: you know,
56:50
SPEAKER_00: like in a public forum,
56:52
SPEAKER_00: um,
56:54
SPEAKER_00: I have,
56:55
SPEAKER_00: I've had some experiences when I was younger,
56:57
SPEAKER_00: when I really needed some protection or some kind of help.
57:03
SPEAKER_00: And I remember asking for it and receiving it.
57:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, um,
57:13
I remember talking to someone that was beyond me,
57:18
like what we like in our society calls God.
57:20
But it wasn't like some guy in the sky was it was like
57:25
something like an energy
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SPEAKER_00: form or something like that,
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like something that was beyond me that for some reason I had
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the concept that it
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SPEAKER_00: was listening to me,
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SPEAKER_00: which is funny because I grew up like,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: we grew up in a country that didn't really have religion.
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SPEAKER_00: And I specifically did not have religion in my family.
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SPEAKER_00: So where did all that stuff come from?
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SPEAKER_00: And also,
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I know that in some of the stuff that I've done as an adult in
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terms of like
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SPEAKER_00: personal development and some of the processes,
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SPEAKER_00: they've shown me that actually
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It could have even been me coming back to my younger self and
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giving that support
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she needed because of some of the processes that I did here in
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the here and now.
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SPEAKER_00: But if there's no time and space,
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SPEAKER_00: I really felt the sensation that I was like,
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SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: shit,
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SPEAKER_00: it was actually me coming back to me to provide that.
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SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, that for me already builds a bridge towards
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you know energy not being necessarily corporeal period it's
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just uh and the access
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to higher self like if that is even possible then that means
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there's all kinds of
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other things possible and we could call them whatever we want
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to call them guardian
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angels god but at the end of the day i really think it's like
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this some kind of
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SPEAKER_00: energetic thing that um has
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abilities and intelligence to do all kinds of different things
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that is not tied to
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SPEAKER_00: time and space in the way we experience or to any form.
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SPEAKER_02: So I guess it also seconds a little bit like what Yulia has said.
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SPEAKER_02: We agree on that there are all kind of,
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SPEAKER_02: or there could be all kind of non-corporal beings,
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SPEAKER_02: and we may be in contact with them.
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SPEAKER_02: And in a certain point,
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SPEAKER_02: in different circumstances,
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SPEAKER_02: we might even get some kind of help or guidance from them.
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SPEAKER_02: depending on our ability, like, to interact with this part of life.
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SPEAKER_02: But I take it that you agree that it's not a given.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not that just,
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SPEAKER_02: like,
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SPEAKER_02: everyone has a guardian angel on the shoulder,
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SPEAKER_02: you're,
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SPEAKER_02: like,
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SPEAKER_02: whispering,
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SPEAKER_02: you're,
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SPEAKER_02: like,
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SPEAKER_02: this is your path and this is not your path.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't think...
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SPEAKER_02: Okay,
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SPEAKER_02: yeah,
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I just wanted to clarify it because many people think that
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surrendering control and
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SPEAKER_02: trust in life is about that.
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SPEAKER_02: Then my guardian angel or spiritual guide or my higher self,
1:00:18
SPEAKER_02: whatever,
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SPEAKER_02: will set me on the right,
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SPEAKER_02: correct path that I'm supposed to be on and then everything will be...
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SPEAKER_02: Loving Flowers.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it might be an egotistical perspective potentially,
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SPEAKER_00: but when I surrender into trust,
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I'm doing it more to my higher self and my connection to
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potentially all that is
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SPEAKER_00: available beyond even my higher self,
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SPEAKER_00: like to the whole matrix of it all with the intention,
1:00:57
SPEAKER_00: my tiny little human intention of
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potentially attracting and navigating like fun or cooler,
1:01:07
more forward moving aspects.
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So,
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but yeah,
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that's just like so silly if you really take a zoomed out
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perspective on it all.
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SPEAKER_00: And who knows what the hell any of it is in the first place.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_00: So there it is.
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I think just for the sake,
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because we have just a couple of minutes to conclude and the
1:01:31
finish.
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SPEAKER_02: So I will,
1:01:34
SPEAKER_02: instead of asking you to summarize what you get out of the question,
1:01:41
SPEAKER_02: I will make an executive decision to summarize myself.
1:01:46
And basically that what I get,
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and this is what I want to finish this with,
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is that...
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SPEAKER_02: However we explain the things,
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it actually helps us to enter into this play of flowing in life
1:02:08
and just to let
1:02:09
ourselves be a more organic part of this self-organizing system
1:02:15
that is life,
1:02:17
SPEAKER_02: whether it's Gaia or whoever we would call it.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_02: Just because...
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If I consider myself just a separate being with my own free
1:02:31
will that I will impose
1:02:33
in the world and I ignore my interconnectedness in our human
1:02:39
body when it happens,
1:02:41
when the liver cell all of a sudden decides that she wants to
1:02:45
be a neuron cell,
1:02:47
SPEAKER_02: we call it cancer.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_02: So it just helps us not to be the cancer in the world,
1:02:54
SPEAKER_02: but really more organic,
1:02:57
SPEAKER_02: harmonious part of everything that evolves around us.
1:03:05
SPEAKER_02: And that is how we enter this game of life.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_02: Life and flow.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_02: It helps us not to be cancer.
1:03:18
SPEAKER_02: You better...
1:03:22
SPEAKER_02: Better sense into interconnectedness, right?
1:03:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
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so let's all sense into our interconnectedness and feel how we
1:03:30
can form more
1:03:32
SPEAKER_02: organically a part of all of this wondrous,
1:03:36
wonderful mysterious system that is life and that is life and
1:03:43
it's some kind of has
1:03:46
SPEAKER_02: some sort of intelligence and
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consciousness,
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but not necessarily in the sense that it controls and manages
1:03:57
that.
1:03:58
SPEAKER_02: It just allows the life to be and play and flow.
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So thank you very much for sharing your stories and let's
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continue flowing together.
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