Latest / On Deathcare / The Rest: AI in Aftercare, Association Mergers, and Industry Trends
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- 0:02SPEAKER_00: Hi, I am Tony Russo from On Deathcare,
- 0:07SPEAKER_00: and this is The Rest, your weekly rundown of news from around funeral service.
- 0:12SPEAKER_00: This week we've got a couple of cultural stories,
- 0:15SPEAKER_00: one-ish news story, and lots of commentary from me.
- 0:20SPEAKER_00: But before we get into it,
- 0:21SPEAKER_00: I want to take this moment as always to thank I'll see you next time.
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- 0:45SPEAKER_00: So thank you for subscribing.
- 0:46SPEAKER_00: And for the paid subscribers,
- 0:48SPEAKER_00: thank you doubly for paying so that I can have these luxurious offices.
- 0:54SPEAKER_00: It's very, very, very important to me that you guys put your money behind me.
- 1:00SPEAKER_00: And it's just touching.
- 1:02SPEAKER_00: So thank you very much.
- 1:03SPEAKER_00: All right.
- 1:04SPEAKER_00: Enough of that.
- 1:05SPEAKER_00: Let's get into it.
- 1:07SPEAKER_00: In the next couple of weeks,
- 1:09SPEAKER_00: I'm going to have a story where I speak with Matt Van Dremelen
- 1:13SPEAKER_00: of Full Circle Aftercare about kind of the difference between AI and not AI in
- 1:20SPEAKER_00: the aftercare space.
- 1:23SPEAKER_00: And along those lines,
- 1:25SPEAKER_00: I spoke with a gentleman who runs one of these,
- 1:28SPEAKER_00: you know,
- 1:29SPEAKER_00: Every solution kind of,
- 1:32SPEAKER_00: not every solution, but multi-solution tool for funeral directors to use.
- 1:37SPEAKER_00: And I want to really just spend the whole fall taking this apart because there are
- 1:42SPEAKER_00: so many things going on here.
- 1:45SPEAKER_00: On one side,
- 1:46SPEAKER_00: there are people who are good at manipulating AI and making things using AI
- 1:52SPEAKER_00: and making AI better.
- 1:54SPEAKER_00: And they're like, oh, I made this cool thing.
- 1:57SPEAKER_00: I wonder if people can use it.
- 1:59SPEAKER_00: And then,
- 2:00SPEAKER_00: of course,
- 2:00SPEAKER_00: there are funeral directors who are just bombarded with all
- 2:04SPEAKER_00: of these AI-enabled solutions.
- 2:06SPEAKER_00: And a lot of the solutions aren't necessarily like hardcore AI,
- 2:09SPEAKER_00: but they are things that people wouldn't have really been able to make
- 2:13SPEAKER_00: without AI assistance.
- 2:15SPEAKER_00: Now, I've got to be very clear and very honest.
- 2:18SPEAKER_00: This is one of them.
- 2:19SPEAKER_00: I can only do this.
- 2:20SPEAKER_00: The only reason I was even able to go out on my own was because I was able
- 2:25SPEAKER_00: to start using AI as an editor and to use it to streamline a lot of the things
- 2:34SPEAKER_00: that many people would need a staff to do.
- 2:37SPEAKER_00: But it's still hard and it's still a lot of work and everything that I write is still mine.
- 2:42SPEAKER_00: So I want to be careful when I say that there are I don't want to paint AI as,
- 2:48SPEAKER_00: quote, the enemy, unquote.
- 2:51SPEAKER_00: However, I don't have a public-facing business.
- 2:54SPEAKER_00: I mean, I do, but not in the same way that funeral directors do.
- 2:59SPEAKER_00: And if you don't feel like you have been AI'd out in your personal life, right?
- 3:07SPEAKER_00: Or even in the business life.
- 3:09SPEAKER_00: You call the hospital, you're not talking to a person.
- 3:12SPEAKER_00: No matter where you call, people,
- 3:14SPEAKER_00: human beings answering the phone, unless you call me, they're pretty much on.
- 3:18SPEAKER_00: And actually,
- 3:20SPEAKER_00: I get so much spam calls,
- 3:22SPEAKER_00: so many spam calls,
- 3:23SPEAKER_00: rather, that my phone company actually just put a phone screener on.
- 3:28SPEAKER_00: I didn't ask.
- 3:29SPEAKER_00: They didn't even charge me.
- 3:30SPEAKER_00: Just all of a sudden, one day, somebody said, how come you screen your calls?
- 3:33SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I know, but AT&T screens them for me.
- 3:36SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
- 3:38SPEAKER_00: I don't care.
- 3:39SPEAKER_00: The point is that if you want to make connections, you're going to have to make them yourself.
- 3:46SPEAKER_00: And I reported on this right after
- 3:48SPEAKER_00: the Service Corporation International earnings report a couple of weeks ago.
- 3:55SPEAKER_00: That SCI was using AI training to train their funeral directors
- 4:05SPEAKER_00: in the arrangement room.
- 4:07SPEAKER_00: And then there was another one released this week,
- 4:10SPEAKER_00: a company that trains your funeral directors in the arrangement room.
- 4:18SPEAKER_00: To say I'm ambivalent doesn't even get at it.
- 4:21SPEAKER_00: So I said I use AI constantly.
- 4:23SPEAKER_00: The worst thing about trying to work with AI is that it's not designed to help me.
- 4:31SPEAKER_00: It's designed to keep me on the computer.
- 4:33SPEAKER_00: It's designed to engage me.
- 4:36SPEAKER_00: It's designed to figure out what I really want so that it can give it to me so
- 4:41SPEAKER_00: that I keep coming back.
- 4:43SPEAKER_00: This is like an intellectual candy crush thing we have going on here.
- 4:48SPEAKER_00: And so I am skeptical that there is any useful way to train an interaction with
- 4:57SPEAKER_00: Where you're trying to sell something to AI, AI will buy it.
- 5:00SPEAKER_00: Whatever you're trying to sell, AI will.
- 5:02SPEAKER_00: You can sell AI 12 mahogany caskets to put one person in as long
- 5:06SPEAKER_00: as you're persistent because it wants to please you.
- 5:09SPEAKER_00: It isn't an agent, right?
- 5:12SPEAKER_00: It doesn't have agency.
- 5:13SPEAKER_00: It does what it's told.
- 5:16SPEAKER_00: And so that is part number one that is my concern about these AI trainers.
- 5:23SPEAKER_00: Part number two is And this is,
- 5:26SPEAKER_00: I've spoken about this before,
- 5:27SPEAKER_00: but in case you're new,
- 5:28SPEAKER_00: I think that the AI measure should always be,
- 5:31SPEAKER_00: is it doing your job or is it doing the dishes?
- 5:33SPEAKER_00: So for instance, for me, AI is doing the dishes.
- 5:36SPEAKER_00: It's taking another look at some of my stuff.
- 5:38SPEAKER_00: It's suggesting some of the metadata stuff, some of the marketing stuff that I'm not great at.
- 5:45SPEAKER_00: You heard my introduction.
- 5:48SPEAKER_00: Marketing is not my thing.
- 5:49SPEAKER_00: So AI can make things sound more salesy than I ever could.
- 5:54SPEAKER_00: Because it kills me to even try.
- 5:57SPEAKER_00: But the idea behind having someone train people to work with human beings in
- 6:05SPEAKER_00: the arrangement room and not role-playing,
- 6:09SPEAKER_00: that seems like it's not doing the dishes.
- 6:11SPEAKER_00: Why would you not want to personally train the human beings that are working for you?
- 6:17SPEAKER_00: I don't get it, and I never will.
- 6:20SPEAKER_00: You know,
- 6:21SPEAKER_00: AI for me and for most of us should just be like a really advanced search engine
- 6:26SPEAKER_00: that can finally answer the question that you asked.
- 6:30SPEAKER_00: So I would be very wary of these things.
- 6:32SPEAKER_00: Definitely check them out.
- 6:34SPEAKER_00: But remember,
- 6:34SPEAKER_00: like if I spent all week telling me that I was a great salesperson and I get put
- 6:39SPEAKER_00: in front of a person who doesn't think I'm a great salesperson
- 6:43SPEAKER_00: because they're not AI and they're not programmed to think I'm a great salesperson.
- 6:48SPEAKER_00: I might learn the hard way in a way that no one expects.
- 6:52SPEAKER_00: So keep your eyes on these things.
- 6:54SPEAKER_00: I mean, you guys are all—you're all more professional than I am, that's for sure.
- 7:00SPEAKER_00: So let's just be careful of these things and make sure we're trying them out.
- 7:06SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you're familiar with the Luddites.
- 7:09SPEAKER_00: I know it's a popular— You know, way to say, oh, I don't use email.
- 7:14SPEAKER_00: I'm a real Luddite.
- 7:15SPEAKER_00: The Luddites broke things like they had violent,
- 7:19SPEAKER_00: violent uprisings because not only because machines were taking their job,
- 7:24SPEAKER_00: but because the machines were taking their jobs and not doing a better job at it.
- 7:29SPEAKER_00: And the people who were making the money from giving
- 7:32SPEAKER_00: the machines other people's jobs did not care.
- 7:35SPEAKER_00: They were happy to force garbage down everyone's throat until we got used to it.
- 7:40SPEAKER_00: And that is what's going on, I believe, with AI.
- 7:44SPEAKER_00: So anyway, I put a link to the AI-assisted training thing that was released publicly.
- 7:53SPEAKER_00: I don't have access to SCIs.
- 7:55SPEAKER_00: And take a look at it, and I would try it out.
- 7:58SPEAKER_00: And again, I would have your teenager try it out.
- 8:02SPEAKER_00: That's what I would do.
- 8:04SPEAKER_00: I would have someone go in cold and see if it makes them more confident or
- 8:12SPEAKER_00: if it makes them overconfident.
- 8:14SPEAKER_00: But if you don't have the time and there's only one takeaway, it's this.
- 8:18SPEAKER_00: Is it doing the dishes?
- 8:19SPEAKER_00: If someone tries to get you to use an AI that is not doing your dishes for you,
- 8:24SPEAKER_00: you don't need it.
- 8:26SPEAKER_00: Anyway, link to the AI test guy in the show notes.
- 8:31SPEAKER_00: I covered this story in my Sunday column,
- 8:33SPEAKER_00: but this is regular news that I want to share here as well.
- 8:39SPEAKER_00: Connectingdirectors.com this week put out two different stories,
- 8:42SPEAKER_00: one that was a pro story and one that was a con story involving the combination
- 8:50SPEAKER_00: of selected independent funeral directors and
- 8:54SPEAKER_00: the National Funeral Director Association.
- 8:57SPEAKER_00: I've already kind of weighed in for what it's worth.
- 9:01SPEAKER_00: I think it's a bad idea for lots of reasons.
- 9:05SPEAKER_00: But two members of the selected independent thought it was a bad idea for lots more reasons.
- 9:14SPEAKER_00: So I want to share theirs with you.
- 9:16SPEAKER_00: One was Nathaniel M.
- 9:19SPEAKER_00: And the other one was Paul C. St. Pierre.
- 9:23SPEAKER_00: And they are old, old, old school family funeral homes.
- 9:30SPEAKER_00: Both of them were invited to found
- 9:36SPEAKER_00: Selected back in like 1916.
- 9:39SPEAKER_00: Only one of them did the Paul St. Pierre's funeral home.
- 9:44SPEAKER_00: So these are people that have been involved for a very long time.
- 9:47SPEAKER_00: And
- 9:59SPEAKER_00: Their point was that it was made for a specific reason and with a specific goal.
- 10:05SPEAKER_00: And part of it is, I mean, independent is in the name.
- 10:09SPEAKER_00: So that wasn't their argument.
- 10:11SPEAKER_00: It's just obvious to me it's weird to say out loud that they want
- 10:15SPEAKER_00: to allow themselves to be purchased.
- 10:17SPEAKER_00: And that was the other point.
- 10:19SPEAKER_00: Sticking point was that this would be on paper a purchase
- 10:24SPEAKER_00: of selected independent funeral homes by the NFDA,
- 10:30SPEAKER_00: which doesn't sit right with them,
- 10:31SPEAKER_00: you know, as people who have devoted like generations to the continuance of this.
- 10:38SPEAKER_00: Their solution, which seems to make perfect sense to me, is to just hire new management.
- 10:45SPEAKER_00: They claim that administration takes up about $2 million, which is about 80% of the budget.
- 10:51SPEAKER_00: And that includes personnel, office space, and outside consulting.
- 10:56SPEAKER_00: What's really interesting is that the current—and I'm going to say his name wrong,
- 11:00SPEAKER_00: and I apologize for not having a chance to practice it in advance—
- 11:06SPEAKER_00: Peterkiewicz,
- 11:08SPEAKER_00: who is the current executive director,
- 11:10SPEAKER_00: actually cut his teeth for working for one of these companies
- 11:15SPEAKER_00: that runs different organizations.
- 11:18SPEAKER_00: A lot of state organizations are run by that.
- 11:20SPEAKER_00: And it's not an awful idea.
- 11:24SPEAKER_00: I have heard worse ideas.
- 11:26SPEAKER_00: One of the worst ideas I've heard is...
- 11:29SPEAKER_00: Is to allow the selected independent funeral homes to be bought by the NFDA.
- 11:34SPEAKER_00: And I got my argument from their program.
- 11:43SPEAKER_00: I guess is what you would call it.
- 11:44SPEAKER_00: It was written by Barbara Wisher, Barbara Risher Welsh, who is the current selected president.
- 11:53SPEAKER_00: She's a second generation funeral home owner.
- 11:56SPEAKER_00: But I feel like that she is writing for the group, the editorial we have.
- 12:03SPEAKER_00: As the Big Lebowski like to say, right?
- 12:06SPEAKER_00: This is the considered opinion of selected independent
- 12:13SPEAKER_00: funeral homes.
- 12:14SPEAKER_00: And the thing that stuck out to me was that they said that 30%
- 12:20SPEAKER_00: of their attrition comes from people buying out funeral homes from them.
- 12:25SPEAKER_00: And I think that that is such a bad faith argument that I have to point it out.
- 12:30SPEAKER_00: Um, because that means 70% of the people
- 12:33SPEAKER_00: who leave just don't like what Selected Independent has to offer.
- 12:39SPEAKER_00: And that is probably where Selected needs to start if they're worried
- 12:44SPEAKER_00: about not having enough members.
- 12:46SPEAKER_00: So if someone invites me to a club and I get to the club and I'm like,
- 12:51SPEAKER_00: ah, Besides taking my money, what do you do?
- 12:53SPEAKER_00: And they're like, well, then yeah, then maybe I don't sign up.
- 12:57SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying that Selected doesn't do anything.
- 13:00SPEAKER_00: What I am saying is clearly Selected It doesn't do what its new members expect it
- 13:08SPEAKER_00: to,
- 13:09SPEAKER_00: which could account for the 70% of people falling off just saying
- 13:13SPEAKER_00: that it wasn't worth the price of admission.
- 13:18SPEAKER_00: Both stories are linked in the show notes.
- 13:20SPEAKER_00: Both do a better job at defending their various points than I did at just saying what they were.
- 13:26SPEAKER_00: So I encourage you to look at it.
- 13:28SPEAKER_00: If you're an NFDA member, I don't see how this does you any good at all.
- 13:33SPEAKER_00: And if you're a selected independent member, I think this just hurts you.
- 13:38SPEAKER_00: There is, you know, the notion that sometimes I...
- 13:43SPEAKER_00: I'm going to jump right into the next story.
- 13:46SPEAKER_00: I have nothing more to say about that.
- 13:48SPEAKER_00: Everything else is in the show notes.
- 13:50SPEAKER_00: But I just spoke with a...
- 13:55SPEAKER_00: Another executive director, and her name is Mickey Tufto.
- 14:00SPEAKER_00: She's the executive director of the Minnesota Funeral Directors Association.
- 14:06SPEAKER_00: And they have a leadership academy that's coming up.
- 14:10SPEAKER_00: And I did a little story on it.
- 14:11SPEAKER_00: It'll probably be on in another week or so.
- 14:14SPEAKER_00: But we had a really nice conversation about the leadership academy.
- 14:17SPEAKER_00: So their leadership academy accounts for most of their...
- 14:24SPEAKER_00: Board membership,
- 14:25SPEAKER_00: not most of their board membership,
- 14:26SPEAKER_00: but people who go through this leadership academy tend to become more involved
- 14:31SPEAKER_00: with their boards.
- 14:33SPEAKER_00: So they have this every other year.
- 14:36SPEAKER_00: And if you're not in Minnesota, I'm sure many, if not most states have this kind of thing.
- 14:42SPEAKER_00: This is just the story I'm telling now.
- 14:44SPEAKER_00: They meet every other year and it's a way to build community.
- 14:48SPEAKER_00: Yes, it is.
- 14:49SPEAKER_00: You know, there's additional learning opportunities.
- 14:52SPEAKER_00: Yes, there's networking opportunities.
- 14:54SPEAKER_00: But most important, it's we are part of this group and it's helping people to feel like.
- 15:01SPEAKER_00: They have some ownership in it.
- 15:05SPEAKER_00: And one wonders whether that isn't the best way.
- 15:09SPEAKER_00: Rather than trying to find out how you can do more with fewer people or
- 15:16SPEAKER_00: whether you can even stay open because you have too few people,
- 15:19SPEAKER_00: finding a way to dig in and to make people feel welcome and wanted,
- 15:25SPEAKER_00: that's another way to keep a group going as far as I know.
- 15:29SPEAKER_00: There's no link to this story in the show notes,
- 15:31SPEAKER_00: but I will link you to their Leadership Academy because if you're from Minnesota
- 15:36SPEAKER_00: and are just hearing it from me, you probably want to check it out.
- 15:38SPEAKER_00: So there's a link to that in the show notes.
- 15:41SPEAKER_00: So there is a podcast called Grounded in Maine that is kind of a local podcast.
- 15:49SPEAKER_00: I assure you,
- 15:50SPEAKER_00: if you live in a town and if that town is in America or in Canada,
- 15:55SPEAKER_00: There's someone there who's doing a podcast.
- 15:58SPEAKER_00: It's the law.
- 15:59SPEAKER_00: You can find a guy that looks like me.
- 16:00SPEAKER_00: If you see kind of like a chubby white guy walking around, grab him.
- 16:04SPEAKER_00: Say, hey, can I be on your podcast?
- 16:07SPEAKER_00: I'm sure he'd be happy to let you.
- 16:09SPEAKER_00: But Grounded in Maine is actually a young woman hosts this.
- 16:13SPEAKER_00: But Timothy Schramm was the guest this week,
- 16:18SPEAKER_00: and he is a spokesperson for the National Funerals Director and has been
- 16:23SPEAKER_00: a longtime member of the Green Burial Council.
- 16:28SPEAKER_00: And they just talked Green Burial and Other funeral-related things.
- 16:34SPEAKER_00: And it occurred to me that I can't remember the last time I reminded you guys that
- 16:39SPEAKER_00: if you can get on a local podcast, that is an excellent thing to do.
- 16:42SPEAKER_00: They're always looking for guests, I assure you.
- 16:46SPEAKER_00: And everyone is interested in talking to you about your job.
- 16:50SPEAKER_00: I don't have to tell you that.
- 16:52SPEAKER_00: You know that for sure.
- 16:53SPEAKER_00: So this is another good opportunity to kind of focus in on your community
- 17:01SPEAKER_00: and Show what kind of person you are and get the word out and be the face
- 17:06SPEAKER_00: of your company as well as of the industry.
- 17:11SPEAKER_00: It's important for every bad actor.
- 17:13SPEAKER_00: We need 10 good funeral directors out there showing what these decent people who are
- 17:20SPEAKER_00: in this industry look like.
- 17:21SPEAKER_00: So there's a link to the show in the show notes.
- 17:26SPEAKER_00: In my Google Alerts this week,
- 17:28SPEAKER_00: there was a heading that said behind the scenes in the mortuary business.
- 17:35SPEAKER_00: So I clicked on it because that's what I do.
- 17:40SPEAKER_00: And I was taking to instead of a Facebook page per se,
- 17:43SPEAKER_00: I thought it was going to be someone's Facebook page,
- 17:46SPEAKER_00: but it was an AI generated answer page.
- 17:51SPEAKER_00: And all of the answers were made up out of videos and stand-ups and things done
- 17:58SPEAKER_00: by funeral directors.
- 17:59SPEAKER_00: It was just randomly collected by Facebook.
- 18:03SPEAKER_00: I don't know if this is a good idea or a bad idea.
- 18:06SPEAKER_00: I would like you to tell me what you think.
- 18:07SPEAKER_00: And there's a link in the show notes if you want to check it out.
- 18:10SPEAKER_00: But there were funeral directors that I knew there.
- 18:12SPEAKER_00: There were funeral directors that I hadn't seen.
- 18:15SPEAKER_00: But seeing yet,
- 18:16SPEAKER_00: it seems to take, you know, there are some with like tens of thousands of likes.
- 18:21SPEAKER_00: There are some with 60 likes.
- 18:23SPEAKER_00: So I don't know how they're doing the selecting.
- 18:26SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's interest.
- 18:28SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's time walk.
- 18:29SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's just keyword based.
- 18:32SPEAKER_00: But two things.
- 18:33SPEAKER_00: A, this is a way to reach everybody instead of just a couple people you need to reach.
- 18:38SPEAKER_00: But B, it's probably worth looking at just to see what kind of things are going
- 18:44SPEAKER_00: to come trending on this because...
- 18:47SPEAKER_00: Old people use Facebook and, you know, there's no there's no harm.
- 18:52SPEAKER_00: And all my videos are on Facebook.
- 18:54SPEAKER_00: I don't actually use Facebook myself, but I,
- 18:57SPEAKER_00: you know, I put my videos up there because people on Facebook like to see videos.
- 19:01SPEAKER_00: So check it out in the show notes.
- 19:03SPEAKER_00: I'm going to I've turned this around in my head for another week.
- 19:07SPEAKER_00: I genuinely just found it before I started recording.
- 19:10SPEAKER_00: I posted it on LinkedIn.
- 19:12SPEAKER_00: If you're not following me on LinkedIn, that would be cool.
- 19:13SPEAKER_00: If you did, you're welcome to.
- 19:15SPEAKER_00: I'm easy to find.
- 19:16SPEAKER_00: I'm Tony Russo.
- 19:18SPEAKER_00: My email is bytonyrusso at gmail.com.
- 19:21SPEAKER_00: So you can find me that way.
- 19:23SPEAKER_00: I'm easy to find.
- 19:24SPEAKER_00: I look like this.
- 19:25SPEAKER_00: My picture looks like me.
- 19:26SPEAKER_00: It doesn't look like me 30 years ago.
- 19:29SPEAKER_00: So I'm easy enough to find if that's something you're interested in.
- 19:33SPEAKER_00: But I would love to have some feedback on this.
- 19:35SPEAKER_00: Take a look at the Facebook behind-the-scenes Adam Mortuary page
- 19:42SPEAKER_00: and tell me what you think, whether you feel like it's...
- 19:47SPEAKER_00: To haphazard,
- 19:48SPEAKER_00: look at it the way you would like one of your families to look at it and then look
- 19:52SPEAKER_00: at it like yourself and then see, you know, see what you think about it.
- 19:56SPEAKER_00: Because if you're already doing standup videos,
- 19:58SPEAKER_00: it's likely that you could end up on this page,
- 20:01SPEAKER_00: which is probably not a bad thing, but there's no curation.
- 20:05SPEAKER_00: This is just AI generated.
- 20:07SPEAKER_00: So this is AI grabbing up a bunch of things that it thinks are pretty much
- 20:11SPEAKER_00: about kind of the same topic.
- 20:13SPEAKER_00: And making a Facebook page out of them.
- 20:17SPEAKER_00: It's creepy for all the reasons that me as someone who actually makes stuff is going
- 20:23SPEAKER_00: to always kind of rail against.
- 20:26SPEAKER_00: But I want to give it its own fair shake and I can't do that
- 20:29SPEAKER_00: until I've had it cooking in my brain for a couple days.
- 20:32SPEAKER_00: So...
- 20:33SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about this next week if there's really anything to talk about.
- 20:35SPEAKER_00: And in the meanwhile,
- 20:37SPEAKER_00: if you have any opinions about this,
- 20:38SPEAKER_00: if you take a look at it or if there's anything that you want to say about the show,
- 20:43SPEAKER_00: about me,
- 20:44SPEAKER_00: about the things I'm covering,
- 20:46SPEAKER_00: about the things I'm not covering,
- 20:47SPEAKER_00: you can do that by emailing me By Tony Russo at gmail.com.
- 20:53SPEAKER_00: That is B-Y-T-O-N-Y-R-U-S-S-O at gmail.com.
- 20:58SPEAKER_00: And that will do it for this week.
- 21:02SPEAKER_00: The rest has been an On Deathcare production.
- 21:05SPEAKER_00: It was written, edited, transmogrified, videoed, all the things by me.
- 21:09SPEAKER_00: Tony Russo, having a blast doing it.
- 21:12SPEAKER_00: As always, thank you for your attention.
- 21:14SPEAKER_00: If you made it this far, then you've paid a lot of attention to me instead of something else.
- 21:20SPEAKER_00: And that is really important to me that you took the time.
- 21:25SPEAKER_00: I hope I didn't waste it.
- 21:26SPEAKER_00: I try hard not to waste it.
- 21:27SPEAKER_00: I try to make it a little less painful than it has to be.
- 21:31SPEAKER_00: A little more informative than you may find other places.
- 21:35SPEAKER_00: So keep me on the right track.
- 21:36SPEAKER_00: If I'm doing something that you don't like or doing something that you do like,
- 21:39SPEAKER_00: again, just let me know.
- 21:42SPEAKER_00: And I will check in with you next time.