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The shift in weight loss culture with PFN Dietitian, Stacy (part 1) · SAY GRACE | Weight Loss + Health for Overwhelmed Women- Stress, Busy, Consistency, Realistic, Motivation, Starting Over, No Restrictions

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On this two-part episode, I have invited team dietitian Stacey back on with
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us as we dive into weight loss culture and how it has shifted over the years.
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So from things like perception to recommendations to even the impact that GLP
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One and social media have had on the weight loss space, nothing is the same
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as it used to be. And we share our perspectives on this.
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So here's part one. Let's dive in.
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Welcome, Stacey. I'm so glad to have you back.
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Yes, I'm so glad to be back. I'm so glad to be back. It's always fun when we get together.
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It is, and I'm always trying to get her to come on here more.
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I know y'all, like I see the numbers, and so I know y'all like to hear from both of us at one time.
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And so I think this topic is, this is one that has just kind of been on my mind a lot lately.
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It's one I think you and I talk about a lot, you know, just like the shifts
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in things across the weight loss space.
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And so today we are just here, y'all, to kind of talk it out.
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Like we have no like major, you know, objectives or whatever.
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We're just going to kind of talk through what we see the shifts are in weight loss.
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So if you don't know, Stacey is our team dietitian at PFN. If you are a client,
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you know exactly who Stacey is.
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She is who is always communicating in the inbox and in the community.
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She is where our members will get a lot of their answers from any of their needs.
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Stacey is usually their number one to call and they love her.
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And so she's also a registered dietitian. And so Stacey has been around the block.
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She has seen all the things I've seen plus some, right?
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And so Stacey, I would love to reflect back on because, okay,
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so Stacey, you got your RD.
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Probably like 10 years before I got mine, right? Yes.
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So I graduated from Mississippi State in 1997.
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Okay. And did my internship. I took a year off because I had a car wreck.
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That's beside the point. Wow, I didn't know that.
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I did. I had a pretty bad car wreck in 1998.
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Oh, my gosh. I had no idea. That is awful.
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That's another podcast. Yeah, I was T-boned by a dump truck at an intersection.
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So I am very lucky to be alive.
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But that's why I kind of had to take some time off to rehab.
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But, yeah, so did my internship and then got my RD. So I've been working for a long time.
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Yeah, yeah. So I got my RD in 2011, like literally the same year,
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Jess, and I got married. It was a wild time.
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Me too. Like, yeah. When you and Ben got married, I'm like, why did I do that
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to myself? Why didn't I take one step at a time? So wild.
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Well, I mean, I didn't pass the test the first time. I missed it by one point.
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But y'all, that test is so freaking hard because this degree is hard.
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It is so hard. Do you know I made it? I made it by one point.
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Like, it was like down to the wire. I was like, oh, thank you, Jesus.
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You know what I mean? Y'all, I'm so sorry, but to be paid what traditional RDs are paid is,
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That test is absolutely freaking ridiculous.
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Like it will make, it will scare, it scared tons of my classmates off.
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Like now, now that we're like grownups and we've all got different careers,
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we're like, oh yeah, I chose, I chose a different path.
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I got my, I got my undergraduate in nutrition, but I chose a different path.
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I'm like, baby, that's because you didn't get into an internship and you didn't
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pass your RD exam because it's so freaking hard.
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It is. It's very hard.
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I mean, you know, it's like, I remember they used to compare it to like med
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school exam. Like it was insane.
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So we have all been there, and I think all your fellow dietitians listening
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would say that I'm sure they did not pass with flying colors.
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I mean, it doesn't make you a bad dietitian or a good dietitian if you don't pass it the first time.
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So it's just, you know. Well, because it asks the dietitians.
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It's not like, how do you help somebody lose weight? It's like calculations
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and, like, food service stuff.
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I mean, I do appreciate some of the food service stuff that we learned.
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Like we've talked about this before, but like the food for 50,
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how, I mean, me and you both could crank out a catering business if we needed to, you know what I mean?
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But stuff like, don't you remember like the rules and the regulations for like
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freezer safety and like when you do,
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restock, how, you know, how it's supposed to go, just things that like we're
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not ever going to use if we're not working in a massive hospital, you know.
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Food service situation, which I guess some people did go on to use that.
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I get it. They did. But I mean, it's very scientific and technical and a lot
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of different aspects of the test.
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Yeah. And then, yeah. And then you got to know every single illness and what
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it means and how it's cured and the lab values associated with it.
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Like it's such a broad range.
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You know, you learn management, you learn a little bit of business,
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and you learn a whole lot of health and science. So it is, it's wild.
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I see. So, yeah, we've seen a lot of change, I guess, me more than you. Yeah.
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Okay. So I'm just curious, like when you entered the weight loss scene or not
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the weight loss scene, the nutrition scene, let's say, like in 98,
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what was it then? Like, what was it like then?
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Because in 98, I'm thinking Slim Fast, what else?
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It was more like, first of all, there wasn't as many choices as there are now.
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It was like, this was the end thing. So it was Slim Fast, or it was,
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I guess Atkins was really getting started back then. That's what I was trying to think of, yeah.
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Weight Watchers was still going strong.
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Maybe Atipex had just come on the scene. I can't remember. Some of the older, older things.
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Weight loss drugs. Oh, FinFan. Was that what was FinFan? Was FinFan a weight loss drug?
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I think. Yeah. Was supposed to like take away cravings. Yes.
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FinFan was a weight loss drug.
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Yes. But it wasn't really called a weight loss drug. It was just like,
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let's help your cravings. Right.
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Yeah. Reducing your appetite. Right.
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But I do think like those times, whereas now we're talking about them like they're
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ancient or something, you know what I mean?
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But like you when you said like, I've got to lose weight.
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This was kind of like it. Like these were your options.
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You know what I mean? Like you didn't have Instagram, you know,
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to go to and search around for 500 different programs. and you didn't have Google
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really to like read a whole lot about.
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And, you know, even the mention of your doctor saying that, probably me and
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you both with our phones right beside us right now, after me saying that,
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like we'll be hit with ads about weight loss.
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Like, and it's so, present day, which we're going to talk about in a little
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while, is so like full of oversaturation of information.
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Whereas back then, you really just kind of went to your doctor and he did what
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he said to do. You know what I mean?
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I mean, it more was, because when I graduated, finished my internship,
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I went straight to working in the hospital setting, which I think is great for
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everybody because you learn a whole lot.
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But it was more, okay, here's your paper and low fat, low fat everything.
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Yes. It was real hot back then. And Elaine was coming out and people's guts
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were torn up because, oh, Elaine, I forgot about that.
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Yes. You were still in the football field cheering.
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Oh, my gosh. Yes, everything was low-fat.
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And you just like, you know, they put a lean in things and...
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I guess maybe some of the baked chips started coming out and just made people sick.
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That is, that is, yes. Oh my gosh, I forgot all about that, Stacey. That is crazy. Yeah.
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So, yeah, I feel like as it progressed, right, which is kind of when I feel like,
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I entered the weight loss scene, right? So after I graduated with my internship,
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I went and I worked for a nonprofit.
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Well, first I worked for WIC for like five minutes. And then I went and worked
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for a nonprofit. And then I was there for several years right before I started Perfect Fit.
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And so when I entered the weight loss scene, I felt like my competitors,
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like it felt like I was, Man, the preacher did a sermon yesterday about going
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upstream and how that's how you see the beauty in life.
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It's hard to go upstream when you're in a river that's flowing furiously the other way.
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But that's how you see the beauty in things and by going against the grain.
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And I thought about it yesterday.
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I thought, that is exactly how I felt. I was going upstream in the weight loss
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industry. Like, I was coming up against every kind of regimented diet.
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You were cutting carbs. You were cutting protein.
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I mean, you were cutting red meat. You were cutting, I mean,
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people were cutting out vegetables. Like, it was insane. You know what I mean?
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And so I felt like I'm over here with my little voice at that point saying,
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like, let's just include all foods.
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You know what I mean? when everybody else was hardcore exclusion,
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quick fix, like how you drop the weight fast.
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And so, and I think that is really where we've been up until this point, right?
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Like quick fix, what do I need to exclude?
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And so I think it's really important to say here that, and Stacey and I say
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this till we're blue in the face to our clients, but like sometimes exclusions
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are necessary for our health, right?
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Like if Stacey was still in the hospital and she had a patient that just had
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a heart attack and she was consulted to go up there to talk to that patient
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about their diet, she would say, what would you say, Stacey,
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if the patient had just had a heart attack?
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I would teach them about lower fat, lower fat, healthier meat.
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Foods, I mean, which. She would say, cut the red meat, right?
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Cut the processed food, right? Watch your sodium. Watch your sodium.
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Higher cholesterol things, absolutely. Right. And so while those changes are
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important for a healthy heart.
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Like Stacey, we're always going to advise balance and like not eating red meat
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three times a day every day, right? Like we're always going to promote that.
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But Stacey wouldn't have as much urgency in her tone if it was, you know,
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someone who did not have a heart attack and has no signs or symptoms of that,
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has no, you know, risks of that, and is really just looking for how to get off the last 10 pounds.
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You know what I mean? She wouldn't say cut all red meat and don't have any sodium
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and, you know, don't have any processed foods.
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Like, and so we do have to always keep that in mind when we are talking to our,
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our clients or just anyone that like, that's why we say like,
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what works for someone is not what we're going to recommend for someone else,
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especially when their health is on the line, you know?
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And so for us in the weight loss space, it really is just about weight loss
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for the most part like if they come we we know these we and first of all across
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the board if you lose weight you can you can look it up right now if you lose weight.
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Like majority of the time, the other things will improve. So your cholesterol levels will improve.
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Your A1C will improve. Like your risks for all these things improve just with the weight loss.
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We have seen that so many times, y'all, with our clients.
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Like they will have done the program for a few months. And I mean,
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even just losing the five pounds will email and say, oh, my gosh,
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my cholesterol dropped this amount or whatever.
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My A1C went down. And it's just the proof is in the pudding.
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That's right. And these are people that we, again, we have not been like,
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cut all red meat, cut out sodium.
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These are people that are just like learning how to navigate balanced intake,
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you know, like, yes, they may have had a cookie after dinner.
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But yes, they also ordered that
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salad at lunch and had the dressing on the side. You know what I mean?
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And so, yeah, it's so we are just we are not going to advise everyone the same.
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But the weight loss in general will help people with the other things most of the time.
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And so what we know and what we have learned over time, especially just working
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with all these people is that.
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It can be very overwhelming to like say to lose weight, you've got to fast on
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these days, exercise on these days, only eat this kind of food on these days.
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But on these days, you can eat this kind of food.
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Like that's very overwhelming for someone to incorporate into their lifestyle
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when most of our ladies, I mean, I don't know about everybody,
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but most of our ladies are super busy.
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And so we've just kind of learned to cut them, cut the crap.
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You know, it's like, okay, just watch what you eat. And here's how we teach
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you how to do it, you know, and figuring out how to fit it all in,
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you know, however you need it to fit.
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And so you see the weight loss. And again, it's that layered cake I'm always
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talking about where then, then, right?
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If then, if you say, okay, gosh, I've lost this weight, but now I'm really noticing
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I'm a sugar, I eat too much sugar.
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Like, let me focus on cutting, cutting my sugar down a little bit or,
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you know, whatever it may be for, for all of us, right?
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Like for me, it was Diet Coke. Like, what's it been for you lately, Stacey? Sugar.
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Sugar. And it's really been since, I guess, so I was 51 in October.
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And it's really since I have hit my 50s, I'm like, you know what?
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I'm really going to watch the added sugars that I have because they creep in on you.
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And I have a couple of PFM Plus clients that we're kind of like,
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all right, let's really look at our sugar because they've got that base,
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that foundation that we give them. And, yeah.
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And two, as you age, right, the sugar you are, you do become like,
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everything becomes more sensitive to sugar.
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It really sucks. I mean, don't get me wrong.
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I mean, I've already had a piece of Halloween candy today. It's not like I've cut it out.
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It's like crack sometimes. I mean, I've never done drugs, but it is. What you would imagine?
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Huh? It's what you would imagine is crack? Yes, is what I would imagine would
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be crack for somebody because it's just, it's addicting.
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I would love to cut out my code zeros in the afternoons. Yeah.
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I mean, one thing at a time, right? Yeah. But anyway, all that to say, I just,
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we feel like this approach has been what works best, especially for people who
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maybe haven't seen a lot of success in the past, people who feel like maybe
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they don't have a lot of willpower,
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people who feel like they don't have a lot of time to commit to their weight
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loss, like consistently.
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And so I do think that brings me to like, Stacey and I were kind of brainstorming
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about, you know, what weight loss does look like at this point in,
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you know, here we are at the end of 2025.
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Like, what does it look like? And so these are two, like, two main paths that
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I feel like have really stood out to me. And would you agree with it, Stacey?
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Like, do you feel like the paths that I laid out are like, they're pretty broad, right?
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100%. Yeah. So the first one of the two paths is like people that are kind of
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still stuck in that old mindset that I just described where it's like,
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oh, I decided I needed to lose 10 pounds, 20 pounds, whatever.
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What's the newest, quickest, best,
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most talked about thing that's going to help me like get skinny fast?
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You know, I know we all know people like this. There are people,
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people in my life surround me where they're just like, they lose it.
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They're so proud of it. They work the program so hard.
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They eat, breathe, sleep it, you know, and then they get off the program and they gain it back.
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And it's just like this cycle of lose weight just to regain it,
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just to find the next thing to lose, to help them lose the weight. Right.
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And so that like that mindset to me is like being skinny is the ultimate goal
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every single time, right?
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And so the, we're always, people are always going to be trying to lose weight to lose weight, right?
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To have lower body fat percentage, to have, you know, smaller number on the scale.
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Like that's not, that's not anything new, but like when your mindset is so focused
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on just weight loss is better. Weight loss is better.
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That is, you know, the focus of a lot of these people that are stuck in this yayo dieting.
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And it's so wild because those are the people that are not ever going to stick to it.
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You know, those are the people that kill themselves trying.
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And then what?
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They fail. They fail. Yeah. Yeah. They can't keep up.
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You know, I feel like I've had this conversation with several of my PFM plus
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clients lately is it's like with anything when you want it so, so bad.
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You're not going to because you have to give it time and you have to get that
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foundation because skinny is not that is not the new end.
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You know, you have to be what it looks for your body, what looks good for your body.
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Sorry. And you have to get comfortable in the process like that's with everything in life.
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You know, you've got to be comfortable in the process for you to truly evolve into the end result.
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You know what I mean? And if you're not comfortable in the process and people who are, you know,
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cutting carbs or committing to like cardio every day or like whatever,
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people that are over committing themselves to the end goal and killing themselves
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trying, like they're not comfortable in the process. That is so that is uncomfortable.
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You know, it's so funny you say that because a couple weeks ago I was at the
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gym and there was a girl there and she's always worked out. She's always been active.
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Didn't to me look like she didn't lose any weight and somebody came up to her
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and said what have you done and she said I cut out carbs and I cut out sugar
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and she's also like cardio cardio cardio.
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And I just sat in the corner doing my own little thing thinking sister update
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us in January you know what I mean when you see her in the gym in January because it's like,
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And we even have clients that do this, right? Like they think they're ready
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to take that next level, like add that next layer to their cake and they're
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like, okay, I'm going to cut sugar.
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And then it's like, I never want to discourage.
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And I know you're the same way. Like you never, if somebody feels motivated
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to do something, I never want to discourage them from trying,
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but it is like really like sad to, to see them when, when, when the bottom falls
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out, cause the bottom is going to fall out.
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Like, if Stacey sat here and said, I'm never having any sugar again,
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you know, then, like, we know Stacey lying.
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Obviously, because I already had some milk duds. Right, right.
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But, like, and so what she means, so what Stacey means by watching her sugar
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is, like, what, do you still eat yogurt most days?
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Every night. That's my after-dinner snack is yogurt and some kind of good granola and fruit.
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Right. And so she checks the label on the yogurt containers to see,
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like, what are the added sugars in these?
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Like, what do they look like across the board, right? Like, if she's making
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something, she may cut the sugar, you know, in half or in whatever.
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Like, she may just be more mindful of the amount of sugar. She's not saying,
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I'm not having any sugar, right?
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And so that's the same case with me with Diet Coke, right? Like,
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I worked it down to where I was just not having as much.
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But if I told you I'm never having Diet Coke again, oh, my gosh,
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I got some yesterday at lunch to go.
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I mean, I had some on the side. It was so glorious, you know.
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I want to try the Diet Coke with lime.
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I heard it's really good. Oh, really? I have not had that.
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So, like, with these kind of people, right, and I think the girl at the gym,
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Stacey, just described might be one of these people. Like, you know,
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if skinny is the ultimate goal and you're like stuck in this deprivation is the only way mindset...
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You know, sometimes they can
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take it to the extreme. So that's kind of how I feel like that she was.
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And a lot of people out there do because they just, they keep on going and don't know when to stop.
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And they have tried to outwork or outdo anything that they've ever done.
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And it just, I don't know, made me sad.
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It is sad because like one of our PFM Plus girls just got back from,
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She went to visit her mom.
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Her mom does not live near her and so she was there for a week They had like
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a like kind of a sad happening while they were there but she had not seen her
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mom in months upon months upon months and so She got back and she was like.
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You know, I ate a little bit more than I thought I was, than I thought, than I had planned to.
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Like I went over maintenance some
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days and I'm kind of feeling discouraged about that. And I'm like, why?
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Like why? Who told you that when you go see your mom for the first time in months
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upon months, like who told you that like staying in your calorie deficit is
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still the priority there?
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Like who told you that? Because, you know, but it was like she had this internal
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feeling of like, I'm weak or I didn't or I failed or whatever,
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because she chose to go get ice cream with her mom in the afternoons instead of saying, oh, no, mom,
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I don't want to have that memory or that experience with you while I'm here
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and I'll hardly ever get to see you. You know what I mean?
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And so I'm like, there is nothing to be ashamed of over that.
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But that is a lot of like what we can hear and what we can see in in others,
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in what we watch, what we follow, what we, you know, just consume,
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is that like if you aren't actively depriving yourself in every single moment,
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then you're not doing it right, you know.
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And so I have seen this, I think, and we're going to talk about GLP-1 specifically
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here like in a minute, but I have seen this a lot with people who are taking GLP-1.
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Like they get it in their heads that like it is their savior,
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you know, like this has come to save me.
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And so I am going to do everything I can to maximize this, which I do agree with to some point.
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Like if you are spending this money on this drug and if you are,
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you know, taking the risk or whatever to use it, maximize it,
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right? Like do the work alongside of it.
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But most of the time it's like,
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they eat nothing, you know, or they withdraw themselves from society because
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that would mean if I went out to eat with my friends, then I would have to eat
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something or, you know, I would have to be questioned about what I'm going to eat, you know.
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And so I've seen this kind of, have you noticed that?
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Like a lot of, like, not a lot, but some GLP-1 users like withdraw themselves socially.
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Totally, yeah. It's wild. And so I don't, again, that is like,
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to me, you know, I think for some of them, the drug can, that can be a side
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effect where they're just like not as interested in people and like being people, I guess.
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Yeah. I mean, their socialization definitely changes. Right.
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Being ashamed that they are on it comes into play and they just don't want anybody to know.
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So they choose not to be around others, especially eating.
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Right. And it's also like a lack of comfort eating in front of people because
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they don't know how to handle it, right? Like, I don't know what to order.
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If I'm not going to Italian and ordering the chicken Alfredo because now I'm
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on a weight loss, what do I order?
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And then, like, are people going to ask me why I ordered the salad?
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Or, you know, it's like a lot more pressure that they can sometimes take on
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with this, which again is why I'm always like, Lord, please,
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if y'all are on it and you still need to learn how to navigate food, come on over.
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Let us tell you, you know what I mean? So that you can have that confidence along the way, you know?
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Well, but that whole thing, which you said, is what to me is sad.
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I mean, whether you're on the GLP-1 or not, like.
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We as women, we judge each other in everything.
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And so say I went out to eat with a group of friends and they all got something
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higher calorie, higher fat, and I chose not to, we're going to get the same question.
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It's like, you know, why aren't you eating? You know?
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You're right. You don't look at, I mean, you don't know what my day was like
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before. I don't know what your day was like.
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Before, and we all go into.
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Eating and food based on what our day has been like or how we're feeling you
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know we let our emotions take over have you have you ever been I mean I feel
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like this happens all the time for me,
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like have you ever been sitting at a table with a group of women like getting ready to order,
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and like people will verbally like they will they will be trying to make up
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their mind you know and it's like I think I'm gonna get the salad with the salmon
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on top and then it's like well, I don't know that chicken piccata sounds good too.
27:45
Well, you know, like they, they talk it out. And then if another friend at the
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table is like, well, I'm getting the chicken Parmesan with like extra Parmesan cheese, you know.
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Then like people will, people will adjust their order and adjust like,
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you know, they started with the salad with the grilled salmon on top.
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And then And it gets around to her and she's like, you know,
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I want the highest fat, highest calorie thing on the menu.
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And it is. It's kind of a wild.
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It's peer pressure to see what you're going to eat based on what your friend
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sitting next to you is going to order. And that's just the way women have been.
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I mean, we dress to please other women, not men.
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Yeah. You know, because we all have that little bit of insecurity in us.
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You're right. And it's crazy because I feel like people, women who have a group
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of friends that are going to get the chicken alfredo, the, you know,
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chicken parmesan, the fried chicken and French fries, like whatever it is.
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Like, if that's your friend group, like if y'all all go out to eat and y'all
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all order and stuff like that, well, then if you are on a weight loss journey...
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And you do want to try to order something that's a little lighter.
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Like you're saying, like, that is so stressful. And it almost makes you not want to go.
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Because then you're, because, like, just like you said, like,
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well, why aren't you eating? Well, why are you, why did you order that?
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Because those people are internally feeling like, oh, she thinks she's better
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than us. Oh, she thinks she's got more willpower than us.
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So then they're going to shame her for the choice.
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But also her as the one that is, like, navigating the weight loss journey.
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She is battling her own brain every single day, telling herself,
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I can do this this time. I am not going to fail.
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And then now she's got her friends looking at her like, I don't know why she
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ordered this. I'm sure in her head she feels this way.
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I don't know why she ordered that. She ain't going to stick to it this time
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anyway. You know what I mean?
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It's actually kind of wild to think about how avoiding the dinner might just be easier.
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You know, but I feel like it's the same thing in that that is one thing that
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I came up against heavily early on in my perfect fit days,
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even dare I say before perfect fit, when I was just like the dietitian in the circles that we ran in.
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It was like, if we went out to dinner after like the hardest workout ever with
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my gym people and I got pizza, people would be like, Constance,
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I can't believe you eat that.
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Like, I can't believe you eat that way, you know? And then I feel like something's
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wrong with me because I am supposed to be the dietitian.
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And they are telling me dietitians don't eat this way, you know? Yeah.
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It's quite a side eye that dietitians get. It is. When they're out. Yeah, it is.
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And it probably made you think that you, which is something we were going to
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touch on too, is that you go the next day and out work, work out that pizza
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that you ate. Right, right.
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Yeah, like, or prove, prove the next time around that I do also eat healthy
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too. You know what I mean?
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But so anyway, I do. Okay, so that's path one, right? Like, just constantly
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chasing the lower number on
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the scale and then kind of forgetting about it and then chasing it again.
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You know, where it's just like, you're either on a diet or you're off a diet.
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You know, and that to me is just never going to...
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Last. You know, you're always going to be on a diet or off a diet, you know?
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So you were talking about one of your PFM plus clients. And I feel like,
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I just love that aspect that we've incorporated because I feel like I've talked about them a lot too.
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But I have one that just got back from, she was out of the country for two weeks.
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Oh yeah. I cannot wait for her to be on the Zoom call this week.
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I cannot wait to catch up with her yeah okay well this
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is a mentality that a lot of people have had and that
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you know we we all still work through but she we
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were talking last week and she said well I've tried to eat x amount of calories
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to make up for what I ate when I was out of the country and she said guess what
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it's not working no girl I mean she was eating like eight or nine hundred calories and I was like,
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really it's not working i said you gotta be kidding me and she was just like.
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Gosh and i bet she was starving coming home like you know probably it was i
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tell everybody like when you get back from vacation like it's gonna take you
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at least a week to get back into your calorie deficit because your body is like
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keep feeding me all the good stuff you know it is so I mean,
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I think to sum all that part one up is, you know, we tell our clients,
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go out and enjoy the meal, you know, and enjoy the time out with your friends and your husband.
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Don't act like it's not going to affect, right? Because that client,
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she was gone for two weeks.
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If she ate above her maintenance number every day for two weeks,
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I bet she walked a lot too, though.
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You know, she's always, it's not as bad as she thinks it is every single time, you know, and so but.
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It might affect the scale, right? Like, we're not saying stay in denial,
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you know, like, it might affect the scale.
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But at the same time, we want you to live your life and enjoy,
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like, this was a really big trip for her, a very special trip for your PFN client,
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just the same, PFN plus client, just the same way it is, it was for mine, you know.
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And so we don't want them to go over there thinking about their weight and thinking
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about their body and thinking about that pressure, because that's really not
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what life is about at that time.
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Now, if we have clients, which we do, we have some clients that travel a lot,
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like for work or like, I mean, I feel like I'm a great example.
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We have traveled a lot this year, you know?
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And some of it, I have chosen to stick more towards my calorie deficit,
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but some of it I have said, okay, like when we went to Tulum,
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I'm like, I know I'm gonna gain, you know? And I'm accepting that.
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And so it's about navigating each, like each trip or each weekend or each whatever
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as it comes to really say to yourself.
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Okay, work is providing catered luncheon at a hotel this week at a conference.
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Is this the week that I really want to, you know, like eat the cookie or you
34:33
have too many cocktails or like, is this where I want to, you know,
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go in my excess or do I want to save that for when we go to the beach next month
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or whatever it is, you know.
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It's just about discernment there, like making that conscious choice to say,
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I do understand, I do know that I'm probably going to gain a little bit here,
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but I also know that it's worth it, you know, because of whatever we've got going on.
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I always got to look at the big picture because it's bigger than that moment. That's right.
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So then down this second path, right, of weight loss, like.
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Generalized mindset or whatever it is, I do feel like, or maybe,
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I don't know, am I delusional?
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Like, tell me if I'm delusional, Stacey, but I do just feel like over the past five,
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eight, 10 years, we are seeing more and more people who are realizing that it
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has to be like all-inclusive.
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Like, you cannot just follow some cookie cutter diet,
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some, you know, black and white meal plan that you found on the internet,
35:45
you know, only buying certain foods from a prescribed food list.
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Like, I feel like people are beginning to understand that that is always going
35:56
to keep you where you are.
35:58
You know, eventually you are going to yo-yo your way back to where you currently are.
36:02
And so I feel like more and more people are understanding that it does have
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to look like a lifestyle change it does have to you know include actually understanding
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what you're eating and understanding your health and also understanding like
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your mindset along the way but again,
36:19
I eat breathe and sleep this every day so I could just be delusional I know I do and I.
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I really wish that we could put our finger and pinpoint as to as to when the shift changed.
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I mean, but I would say definitely in the past five to six years,
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people have really gotten more health conscious and maybe they've looked at
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the history of all these different things that were introduced.
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And it was like, OK, do the grapefruit diet for three days and that doesn't work.
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And then it's just like, OK, what is really getting down to going what's really going on inside of me?
36:57
And maybe it's from all of
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the press around like what we're
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putting in our food and that sort of stuff I mean
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it's just all that is really coming to light to
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what are we really putting in our food that's gonna that's hurting us it makes
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you know it makes it want to get better I don't know but okay do you I kind
37:18
of feel like too okay I feel like before all the what what are we putting inside of our food movement.
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I feel like before that was the like body at all size, like love your body at all size movement.
37:33
You know, we're like, that's when Aerie like stopped touching up their, their people.
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Like, you know, there was just this huge movement of like, why are we.
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Why are we making this Barbie doll? Why is she the idol that everybody needs to look like? Right.
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And why are we trying to tell women that this is how they need to,
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you know, have a tiny waist and big boobs and a big butt?
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And so I almost feel like it's the marrying of all of it, right?
38:06
Like we went from, oh, my God, we're striving to be supermodel worthy.
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And then this huge movement of, you know, body, body love at all size, at all sizes.
38:18
And then you're like, you're saying, then it's like, well, also though,
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what are we eating? We've got to be aware of like what we're actually putting
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inside of our bodies, you know?
38:29
And so I don't know, maybe it's just like more awareness of it all, you know,
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instead of searching for the answer people are encouraged
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to like come up with how how like
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we get so much information now
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that it's like now we have enough information to decide
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how we feel about it you know I was gonna say
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and we touch into this later on in this podcast
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but social media I mean like when social media really
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took off and there were so many different platforms and
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availability of things that we could search I think
39:04
is when it all did kind of marry right because now
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you don't just have the suit
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the the supermodels and the actors and actresses to look at like the magazine
39:16
covers to look at and that be like what we are striving for you have your real
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life you know So mom up the street that is, you know,
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on Instagram telling you, you know, how she eats or whatever.
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And so that's really empowering when you think about it, like for women,
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you know, because it's like for the first time in forever.
39:43
There's not a universe where, not to be like gender shaming or whatever,
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but like men did have a really big impact on how women were portrayed.
39:56
Yeah, I mean, women have found their voice is where it's.
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Right. And there is no filter now. Whereas,
40:03
you know, if a woman tried to take a part on a show and she needed to lose five
40:10
pounds, according to the man who produced her, you know, that show,
40:13
she would have just had to lose five pounds.
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Well, now we've got influencers who don't need nobody's permission to get out
40:24
there with her extra 5, 10,
40:26
15 pounds and talk to the world, you know, and have more views than maybe said
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television show, you know.
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That's like, that's really powerful, I think, for women. And I don't even know
40:41
if we realized that we were walking that out, you know. Well,
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I mean, you look at yourself.
40:47
I mean, you are a woman business.
40:50
You started this. And a lot of women are, they're getting their voices, you know.
40:55
I mean, look at all the women that own businesses now. Yeah,
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you're right. Entrepreneurs.
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Well, you're right. I haven't, like, I don't know why I haven't thought about
41:04
it in this way, like, even for myself.
41:07
Like, I saw a girl at, oh, I went and bought Christmas decorations this weekend.
41:12
And she was like She stopped me and she's like you're the weight loss girl, right?
41:16
And I was like, yes, and she's like it's like seeing a celebrity in person and
41:20
i'm like, I really don't Feel that way but like,
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I mean, I guess, you know, like I'm just putting it out there.
41:29
Whereas 20 years ago, that was not possible for me in the way that it is now,
41:38
you know, to just like say what I want to say, when I want to say it.
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It wasn't. It definitely was not.
41:46
Without, without. But you also make it real. Like you, you're a real person.
41:51
Like, this segment is a sit-down, real conversation.
41:57
Right. Right.
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That's, I don't know, I think, man, what a time to be alive.
42:05
I know. Like, what a time to raise my daughters, you know, for them to just
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be able to be like, Like, I'm not, like, I don't have to conform to what some, you know,
42:18
person up in a, you know, box somewhere is telling me this is how things should look.
42:24
This is how, you know, women should eat.
42:28
This is how, you know, like, we are all just out here, which,
42:30
I mean, gosh, it kind of makes it confusing, too, though, right?
42:32
Like, it's like scrambled eggs in our brain.
42:35
It does. Because, I mean, people can take it too far, for sure. But, you know, it's...
42:41
Yeah. But there's such a beauty in that, too, to just even have that option, you know.
42:48
I mean, I think this world definitely needs more strong people in general,
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women or men, you know, stand up for what you believe in. That's right.
42:58
That's right. And just like also like the the awareness.
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I think that I think that's where the scrambled eggs part comes from.
43:07
For me is like we all have different
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opinions we all have different thoughts and experiences like
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you said like earlier how you said like you don't know what I
43:16
ate earlier in the day you know I mean these people don't know
43:19
what kind of history we have what
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kind of health history we have what kind of like
43:25
dynamics you grew up with at home around food
43:28
or otherwise right like you don't
43:31
know anything like you could be going through some kind of huge heavy
43:34
trauma in your life like so people just don't know and
43:37
so I think where it becomes scrambled eggs is like you do you will have people
43:43
getting out there like hollering things that are really loud and really disruptive
43:47
about different topics whether that be weight loss or something else and it's
43:52
like but you don't know what.
43:56
There's the circumstances were that caused them to be that like that caused
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them to be so passionate about it and then on the same flip of the coin those
44:05
people hollering about it,
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don't take that time to consider that maybe everyone doesn't feel so passionately
44:15
in one direction or another because they didn't have that history you know what I'm saying,
44:23
Or that confidence of the other person. I mean, I think that through anything
44:27
with food, with relationships, whatever,
44:30
people that want to attack what you're eating or what you're not eating or how
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you look, don't have the confidence that you may have in yourself to be okay
44:42
with, I'm going to eat this pizza.
44:44
Yeah. You know, stop judging me because I'm confident in knowing what I want
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to choose or what I want to say.
44:51
Right. Does that make sense? It does. We're going deep here. We are going deep.
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I love it. I love it. I will say, so I am in a few like Facebook groups. Okay, y'all.
45:01
So we really did go deep and it did not stop here.
45:05
This conversation went a lot longer than we had anticipated.
45:08
So I went ahead and broke it up into a two-part series.
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So join us back next week for the second part of this Say Grace episode,
45:19
where Stacey and I will continue to go deep on the topic of weight loss culture and not only that,
45:25
how culture in general has shifted,
45:29
which in turn does affect weight loss and weight loss culture.
45:32
Also, we dive in a lot on social media and how that has affected us.
45:37
And me personally, I talk about how things like rest has radically shifted my
45:43
perspective on different things in life and why I feel that it is directly related to weight loss.
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So join us back next week on Say Grace.