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#30 - Why You’re Exhausted in July (And What Traditional Chinese Medicine Knows About It) · Being Different Together

• 0:08
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to Being Different Together, the podcast for people who want to make the world a better place, but no, they can't do it alone.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm Dr.
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  SPEAKER_04: Kelly Brady, acupuncturist, psychotherapist, and certified dialogue therapist.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm Nissa Hanger, massage therapist, aromatherapist, coach, and real dialogue specialist.
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  SPEAKER_04: Together we'll explore how conversations can improve relationships, make work more joyful, and spark healing for ourselves and our communities.
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  SPEAKER_03: And listen, we don't shy away from the hard conversations.
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  SPEAKER_03: In fact, we welcome them.
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  SPEAKER_03: This isn't about being right.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's about being different together.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thirty.
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  SPEAKER_03: Of being different.
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  SPEAKER_04: Together.
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, 30?
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  SPEAKER_04: Can you believe it?
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  SPEAKER_04: That's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember when you turned 30?
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: What were you doing?
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I I mean the day of.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: The day of, I don't remember.
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  SPEAKER_04: But what was going on in my life?
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  SPEAKER_04: I was in traditional Chinese medicine school.
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_04: And um, I was trying to figure out how to get pregnant.
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  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I did that.
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  SPEAKER_04: I finished traditional Chinese medicine school and I got pregnant.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, you you gotta love when a life plan works out.
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  SPEAKER_03: It worked out.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, it worked out.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's what I was doing.
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  SPEAKER_04: What were you doing when you were turned 30?
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  SPEAKER_03: I was getting ready to open the center.
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  SPEAKER_04: When you had the brick and mortar center?
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  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I was getting ready to move out of the place I was at in Lutz Heritage Station.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yep, where we shared an office.
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  SPEAKER_03: Office Well, we didn't share an office, we shared a office park that we both worked in unbeknownst to each other.
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  SPEAKER_04: I just think you shouldn't be able to combine the words office and park.
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  SPEAKER_04: I understand why we do it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, this is very giving.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is giving Gallagher.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, you know that, you know, why do you why do you drive in a why do you park in a driveway and drive in a parkway?
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  unknown: Oh God.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, first of all, it's not a park.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes there's greenery.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: But what else would you call it?
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  SPEAKER_04: An office complex?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_04: Look at what the cat's doing right now.
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  SPEAKER_04: The meanest cat in the world, Jack, are grey.
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  SPEAKER_04: He's all gray.
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  SPEAKER_04: Maybe he's a Russian blue that's mixed with some kind of outside feral street kitty.
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  SPEAKER_04: He's enormous.
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  SPEAKER_04: He's enormous.
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  SPEAKER_04: He's real tall and thin.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: And he's got this very pointy face.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: And he's very scary.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's very scary.
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  SPEAKER_04: He's also very affectionate and sweet, but he's very, very good at being scary.
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  SPEAKER_04: Indeed.
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  SPEAKER_04: And he was just on the kitchen table, like spinning around and looking at me with crazy eyes.
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  SPEAKER_03: He was.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's showing you his crazy eyes.
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  SPEAKER_04: He's giving me crazy eyes.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he was giving me crazy eyes.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we're we're episode number 30 now.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh this is our uh next episode after our grand intentionality series.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Which almost took over half of the episode so far.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um and now we need to talk about something else.
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, we have so many things to talk about.
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  SPEAKER_04: Here's one of the things I love about uh being in a relationship with you, Nissa.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let me hear it.
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  SPEAKER_04: I we just always have something to talk about.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is so true.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean boy.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is so true.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we always have something to talk about.
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  SPEAKER_04: This morning we spent a fair amount of time talking about well, we talked about what we're gonna talk about on the episode, which was loosely the theme of summer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um but while we were doing that, we I I got a spontaneous desire to make a pot of uh split pea and lentil soup this morning.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it smells so good.
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  SPEAKER_04: Which is going in the instant pot right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: It smells so good.
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  SPEAKER_04: For a long time I thought instant pot was instapot, but it's not.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I thought it was too.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's not instant pot.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's instant.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, I think it's a little bit of that mandela effect.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Which is so trippy.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like the Bernstein bears all over it.
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  SPEAKER_04: That whole thing is just weird.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes I'll really I'll get on those like posts on the internet where it's just like one after the other after the other.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, there's the instant pot.
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  SPEAKER_03: Instant pot.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was so instant.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, one of the my one of my uh intentionalities to shear.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh wasn't it wasn't really a slogan per se, but it was that I've um wanna be eating more beans and split peas and lentils and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh trying to get that good mix of soluble and insoluble fiber.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, sounds a little boring.
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  SPEAKER_04: Sounds a little boring and geeky of the bigger.
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  SPEAKER_03: Tell me about your macros.
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  SPEAKER_04: I have found that my digestion improves uh when I eat more beans.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh and it's uh interesting thing because you I people tend to think of them as causing a lot of flatulence.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: But that's not always the case.
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  SPEAKER_04: If you eat a small amount, you don't have to eat four cups of them.
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  SPEAKER_04: This is like a classic American thing.
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  SPEAKER_04: When I was in uh TCM school, um my teachers would would tell us, yes, eat eat tofu, but eat just a little tofu.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_04: When talking about consuming soy products, for example, which are controversial in the nutritional world.
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  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_04: Soy is controversial.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, uh their take was, yes, eat some tofu.
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  SPEAKER_04: But don't eat a whole block of tofu.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_04: You know, add two ounces of tofu into your vegetable stir fry.
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  SPEAKER_04: Add two ounces of tempeh.
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  SPEAKER_04: You know, add one tablespoon of miso.
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  SPEAKER_04: As opposed to, you know, the way that w Americans like to do stuff.
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  SPEAKER_04: More.
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  SPEAKER_04: More.
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  SPEAKER_04: Bigger, better.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: I want a shake made out of soy protein in the morning and the some kind of crazy nugget-shaped thing that's full of soy in the afternoon.
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  SPEAKER_04: You know, like trying trying not to eat meat products.
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  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um, and then relying more on plant protein, that's great.
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  SPEAKER_04: But there's a lot of issues with eating too much soy.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, too much soy, it's estrogenic.
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  SPEAKER_04: I mean, there's a hormonal effect, first of all.
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  SPEAKER_04: And then secondly, in a lot of instances, soy is kind of okay, I'm gonna curse.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's kind of a crap crop crap crop.
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  SPEAKER_04: Soy is a crap crop.
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  SPEAKER_04: Soy is a crab crop.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's mostly grown to feed animals.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_04: And um uh you know.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I think in its fermented form, it's much easily much more easily digested.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: So we've been watching this uh we we watched this really cool series about the philosopher's kitchen and this uh uh this a Korean m uh nun.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Although I think she calls herself a monk.
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  SPEAKER_04: Which I like.
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  SPEAKER_04: I mean there's there's some kind of gender thing that's going on right now.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, when when I had you had started it, and then I had to come in and um so I didn't like get the introduction, and it took me it took me a bit to be like, okay, is this a woman or Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, really interesting person.
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  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_04: And um yeah, living in uh in the mountains of South Korea of soy stuff.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: And really deeply fermented.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_03: That was super cool to see.
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  SPEAKER_04: Super, super cool to see.
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  SPEAKER_03: Inspiring.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I mean, despite the fact that it's hot as it's a great day for soup.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's hot as calls.
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  SPEAKER_04: I decided to make some some soup this morning.
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  SPEAKER_04: So the kitchen smells lovely and um we're sitting here with the cats.
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  SPEAKER_04: There's no construction happening.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's pretty idyllic at the moment.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's pretty idyllic in the moment.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Nice summer morning.
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  SPEAKER_04: Totally.
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  SPEAKER_03: So when we were to gonna talk about summer, I know that you had some jumping off places of um well as as our week has gone on, you know, start with what you brought up on Monday when you were talking to me about what you were gonna bring to your group.
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  SPEAKER_04: Ah, okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Kelly w runs these weekly groups, and so th there's always the okay, what am I gonna what am I gonna bring as a jumping off point to the group if nobody ha nobody else has anything?
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  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I really want to provide um prompts for discussion that are edifying.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: And um maybe even entertaining.
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  SPEAKER_04: Totally.
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  SPEAKER_04: The this combination of something that is both edifying and entertaining is my jam.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: I love stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um and um anyway, yeah, I was reminded that we had the summer solstice recently passed.
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  SPEAKER_03: And like Yeah, just maybe two weeks ago.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, maybe three weeks.
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  SPEAKER_04: So June 21st, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Around then.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so in the western hemisphere in the northern, is it the northern hemisphere it's the longest day of the year.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: The most sunlight.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: Right?
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  SPEAKER_04: That is great.
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  SPEAKER_04: And then after that the it changes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like the the sunset, the sunset that has gotten increasingly later since the spring.
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  SPEAKER_04: Since May.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um since the vernal.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Which is April.
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  SPEAKER_04: Since spring.
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  SPEAKER_04: Is it April?
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  SPEAKER_04: It's March.
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  SPEAKER_03: March.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, really, it's been the sunset's been getting later since the winter solstice.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_04: Technically speaking.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um And then the vernal equinox, the spring equinox, marks the midpoint between the winter and the summer equinox.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it also is when um and like the winter and the summer solstice, not equinox.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the the equinox is it's not only the midway point, but it is also that that point in time when there is an equal amount of light and dark.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, cool.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we have the same amount of daylight as we have not daylight, nighttime.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, the time between the sunset and the sunrise is an equal amount of time.
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  SPEAKER_03: Versus right now, where there's less time between the sunset and the sunrise, we have less dark time, we have more light time.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_03: And is also why, like, if you were to go more north, yeah, like in Sweden, yeah, or Iceland.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they have really long days right now.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_03: They have very long days right now.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Twenty-two hours of sunlight or something.
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  SPEAKER_04: The closer you get to the North Pole.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe it's still light at eight o'clock.
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  SPEAKER_03: Which I think is hilarious because literally that has happened every year of my life.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I am still so surprised.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think part of that is because it is a relatively short amount of time that it is that late.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it doesn't get normalized the way maybe like a seven o'clock sunset time is more normalized because that's happening in the spring and in the fall.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, totally.
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  SPEAKER_03: That makes sense to me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then in the winter, I'm like, oh my god, it's five o'clock, the sun is down.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_03: What is going on around here?
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  SPEAKER_04: But I mean, well, I mean to just sort of I mean to like compare it.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like I think about in Florida.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, no, it's all the heat is really consistent in the summer.
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  SPEAKER_03: It is.
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  SPEAKER_04: It is it kind of rolls in and it just stays.
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  SPEAKER_04: It just stays.
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  SPEAKER_04: And it's hot and humid, and there's no break in it.
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  SPEAKER_04: Totally.
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  SPEAKER_04: There's no break unless we get some break in the humidity.
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  SPEAKER_04: There's no break in the heat.
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  SPEAKER_03: Definitely no break in the heat.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so it just stays like is tropical.
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  SPEAKER_03: But like the other day I got in my car and it said it was 84 out.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, wow.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it was after we had all that rain.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it does cool down a little bit with some rain.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, so that is what happens with the summer solstice, which we had a few weeks ago.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we're now we're now post-summer solstice.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's still hot.
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  SPEAKER_04: In traditional Chinese medicine, the idea is that at the summer what happens at the summer solstice is that the yang energy, y-n-g, which many people mispronounce is yang.
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  SPEAKER_04: There is no a in Chinese, just by the way.
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  SPEAKER_04: So yang.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yong.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's yin and yang.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's not yin.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's definitely not yang.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_04: But this it's okay.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_04: I like it when even people just try and make a stab at it.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: I appreciate it.
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  SPEAKER_03: When they say it's the yin and the yang.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a yang yang symbol.
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  SPEAKER_04: My professors would just shake their heads and look down, you know, and be sweet about it.
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  SPEAKER_04: But anyway, yin and yang.
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  SPEAKER_04: And um so the yang is at its it's at its peak on the summer solstice.
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  SPEAKER_03: And don't those two terms translate to my memory is that those terms translate to um the sunny side of the hill and the shady side of the hill.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's exactly right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So the the yin is the shady side of the hill and the yang is the sunny side.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So summer summer solstice is peak yang.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yang yang.
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  SPEAKER_03: Dang.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: And it's important I think what's important to remember about yin and yang is that they are not opposites.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: Ooh.
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  SPEAKER_03: They are complementary.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_04: Mic drop.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the podcast is over.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: So tell me more about what what's the difference between those two.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, they're not fixed.
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  SPEAKER_04: An opposite implies something that is stable and fixed.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like left and right.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes and no.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's one or the other.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, right, right.
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  SPEAKER_04: There are always elements of yin within yang, and there are always elements of yang within yin.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_04: And what's what's happening at the summer solstice is that the seeds of yin become more active and they start to rise.
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  SPEAKER_04: And this makes you feel tired.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, we're right in the heat of the heat of it, right?
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_04: We're right in the middle of summer.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_04: It's what it feels like to me here, even though the solstice is June 21st.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, totally.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_04: Now there are probably some places where it's really cold where it's just starting to warm up.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, when I was in Alaska at the summer solstice, I was still wearing a hoodie during the day.
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  SPEAKER_04: So to me, that's cool.
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  SPEAKER_04: I I think.
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  SPEAKER_04: But cold.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a Floridian though.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_04: Any anywho, I feel like we've been in the summer since May, but that's actually not accurate, right?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_04: In terms of technically technically speaking.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_03: But what is what it's like the feels like temperature thing.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's felt like summer, I'll say it in that way.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we're gonna say early June is not summer.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_04: But you but people tend to think, okay, it's really warm.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_04: I should want to go do all these things.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_04: Blah, blah, blah.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_04: And actually, what do I want to do?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_04: Lay down under a tree.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_04: What do I want to do?
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: In Florida, turn on the AC, put on a hoodie, watch a movie.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_04: Movie prices increase.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I mean, people go to the movie store in the summer.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_04: One, I think, to get out of the heat.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's a nice fun thing to do.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_04: But it's also like still.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_04: No, I mean, I don't know.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_04: I've never done the research.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_04: Do people bowl more in the summer?
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_04: Do they go to roller skating rinks?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I I don't know what other indoor activities people like to enjoy in the summer.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, those are good, good questions.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so what I remember you you bringing up to bring to your group is this thing of like of this thing of feeling tired at this point in the summer because the the stirrings of yin have begun.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: And um I just thought that that would be a good thing to share on the pod.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: Because it felt like a relief for me to hear because then I'm like, oh, okay.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I have been feeling kind of tired.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: And we have certain particular circumstances happening in our life right now, um, with this addition and all the things that come with that, and my mom putting um the house I grew up in on the market.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, no big deal.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so so there are those things that are that are going on, but then at the same time, I started thinking about the summer solstice and how basically I and I'm sure I brought this up.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_03: We did an episode about the spring equinox a while back.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I'll I'll link that in the show notes.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and also the episode on the moon and the moon phases, though it is the moon and not the sun, it's all the same cycle as far as I can see of the sort of rising and falling of energies.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_03: And we could relate the the yin and the yang to both of those as well.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_03: And this, these, these these cyclical patterns within nature, I find um to be really informative for my own self and my own life and orienting myself to time and where time is at right now and what is going on right now.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: So the thing with the solstices, so let's just talk about the winter solstice.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: The um people that came before us, the ancient people that spent a lot more time outside and watched the sun and the moon and how they changed over time, they were looking at where the sun was rising on the horizon.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: And they noticed that over time, over seasons, the sun would move farther north, which I believe is in the summer.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: And then it gets to a point where it rises on the northernmost point that it's going to get to in that geographical area.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: And then it seems to not move for a while.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_03: It stays still, and that's what soul stiss.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_03: Soul is sun, and stiss is still, so it's sun, the sun remains still.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_03: Cool.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_03: And then it slowly starts to move back the other direction.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_03: But my understanding of it is that when it starts to move again after it's been still for a couple days or whatever, whatever that period of time is, it's much slower.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's much it starts moving much slower than it does around the equinoxes.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so there's sort of it ha the the movement of the sun from one, from the northernmost end to the southern southernmost end between the summer solstice and the the winter solstice has its own rhythm.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's not necessarily a steady rate.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: Now that at least is my understanding of it.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: And so if that is to be true, um, then it's also interesting to me to think about okay, well, leading up to it becoming still in that northernmost point.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: So before the summer solstice, it will have it would also have been slowing down.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: So it slows down, then it stops.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: And then and I just think about like if I were to be riding my bike and I slow down, I put on those brakes, and then I stop, the energy that it takes to start back up again is so much more than if I were to to have just kept going.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we were just talking this morning about how we we don't like to get out of bed sometimes and how hard it is to like get out of the way.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, it's so hard to get out of bed.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_04: Especially because we have a cuddle ritual in the morning where we have deep cuddles, you know, in the morning before we get up out of bed, and it's very sweet to come so slowly.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_04: And what a lovely life that we don't have to bolt right up at a certain time speed.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's I mean, yeah, of course, sometimes we're well part of that is because we're getting up when we, you know, if we slept another hour, we would have to bolt up.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's true.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_04: And we also plan around it.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we go to sleep at a reasonable.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think we were sleeping last night by 10 o'clock or something, and you know, go to sleep at a reasonable time and we try and wake up around the same time.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um But yeah, how hard it is to get up out of it.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_04: How hard it is because we stopped.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you're like in this completely different space.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_04: You're on the shady side of the hill, right?
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, at night you're in dream time, you're yin.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_04: That's where you're in the yin.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_04: That's when your body's at its most yin.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_04: The most yin time of the day is five in the morning.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_04: That's when the most babies are born, by the way.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_04: Interesting.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_04: I find that fascinating too.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, the most yin time of the day.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, Chinese medicine clocks yin and yang by seasons and also by hours of the day.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_04: The most yin time is five.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_04: And then it's just like the summer solstice, the seeds of yang are there and then they start to rise through the day.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_04: They reach their peak, 12 o'clock, and then start coming down, and and then yin starts to rise, right?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_04: You know what time?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_04: Five.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_04: Three in the afternoon.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, and that's why That's why everybody is like I want I want either some carbs or some coffee or a nap.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_04: A nap, right.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_04: So y yeah, you know, we were talking about that this morning, and then just to kind of like weave it into what into the conversation around you know, living life more intentionally, really, is like, all right, uh there's a lot of our culture, I think, that pushes us just to have the same amount of productivity all the time.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_04: Totally.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_04: And doesn't really honor then the seasonal fluctuations in our energy and the and the hourly fluctuations.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_04: You know, that that it is you know, we are bior diurnal, right?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_04: I mean we we wake up, we we are not nocturnal.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_04: So when we wake up in the morning, really we're gonna be hungry and rested and ready to start moving through the day, and we're gonna have a burst of Energy in the morning that's gonna allow us to.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_04: I guess if we were primitives, or when the primitive is the wrong word, in ancient in ancient times, right?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: We would have been getting up looking for eggs and looking for food, looking for a little mouse, looking for some berries, whatever.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_04: You know, get it going.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um I was thinking about all of that when I was making that soup this morning.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_04: And it felt kind of natural to wake up and put on a pot of soup too.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_04: There was something about that that just was like, oh, okay, this is a really nice way to prep for the day.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_04: It really didn't take very long.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think the whole thing from beginning to end, it took me 10 minutes to prep that soup.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_04: Not a big deal.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and I think where you were going with that is like we we we were talking about when we wake up in the morning and it's so hard.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_04: It's so hard to do that.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_04: Because we've been still.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_04: Like just to just uh what you were talking about in terms of the solstice and you know, it's like getting something to move after it's stopped.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_03: And um but then I commented like our typically we'll get up, somebody feeds the cats, somebody lets the dog out, I'll go water plants, we take the dog around the walk, come back, make the coffee, make his breakfast, yada yada.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's part of this whole first 30 to 45 minutes of the day.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um and usually about the time that I'm going to take the dog for the walk, like it it or even watering the plants.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like I'm I'm I'm now fully awake.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: You know how it was so hard to get up out of bed.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: But then once I get up, I get that I get that momentum going.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: I think that that that is part of that.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_04: Or is the momentum going you?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_04: Is that a part Yeah?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_04: So this is the point that I'm I'm I'm driving in on here.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_04: Is that there there are natural fluctuations in energy, and when I'm in touch with myself, uh-huh, I can be clear, like, oh, I have good energy for this right now.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's easy, it doesn't feel like work.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_04: At three in the afternoon, I might not want to be doing those things.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_04: And um, and that's yeah, would be definitely a time to reach for a piece of dark chocolate or you know, or the secret diet coke.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, the secret diet coke.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: You mean the one that's been in the work fridge for about six weeks?
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_04: Ice cold diet coke that I've been hoarding.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, you know, you gotta do what works.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's funny.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_04: Some I, you know, I've had clients see me sip on the Diet Coke every now and then, and they they I mean, people are like, You're this doctor of traditional Chinese medicine.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_04: What are you doing drinking Diet Coke?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_04: Like, that's filth.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, Yeah, a little filth is okay.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_04: Your body's meant to process a little filth.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_04: You know, that's what your liver and kidneys are for.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_04: Let them let them do their work.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: Mom says too much is no good, but plenty's alright.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_03: But apparently, apparently this is something my mom has said for a really long time.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_03: Hi, Mom.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we were going through a bunch of papers at her house, a bunch of cards and letters and stuff, and some stuff from like when my parents first started dating, which was super cute.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_03: And somehow there was a little note that said, Too much is no good, but plenty's alright.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: Which I do believe she got from her friend Dan.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um that needs to go in the intentionality sayings.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_03: Well, apparently my dad changed it, and I had never seen this um edit before, because on this piece of paper he wrote down, Too much is no good, but plenty's enough.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's great.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's great.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: It was a total turn on.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um I mean, literally my entire life I have heard too much is no good, but plenty's all right.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: And and then I was like, oh, plenty's enough.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's different.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_04: It hits different.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_04: It totally hits different.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: But either way, have the diet coke.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_04: A little bit, yeah.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_04: A little bit.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know, may maybe not one a day.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_04: And then then it compounds.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_04: If you have one diet coke a day, there's 365 days in a year, that's 365 Diet Cokes a year.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um, that's a Diet Coke.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: If you have one a month, that's you know, right.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_04: It makes a difference.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_04: So it's like the things you want to do every day, the things you want to do once a week, the things you want to do once a month is the way that I look at it, right?
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_04: Totally.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_04: It's like I don't want to I don't want to eat like a cheeseburger or something like that out.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_04: Not that I've made if I've made it at home, I'm happy.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_04: It's different.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, eating something like that out is maybe something I would want to do once a month.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_04: About like, you know, the nice lean protein and the veg and the healthy carb.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_04: I want to do that every day.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, totally.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_04: I want to do that every day.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_04: So that that that kind of Well, this thing about it not being an opposite.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I totally know it's complimentary and using that as a it's it's it's another one of the ways that I've guided the way that I live and the way that I educate clients to live, which is to to uh in Chinese medicine we say the human being exists between heaven and earth.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, so i it it's like being in harmony with the natural environment, being in harmony with it.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: Which is very different in Western culture that's sort of built upon a foundation of we are to dominate nature, yes.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we have dominion over the plants and the animals and the you know uh it it is a different way of orientation.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_04: Of approaching.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_04: And and I also think like if I if I can approach myself in that way, it's a it's kind of a way I mean being a human is hard, right?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_04: And so what's one of the ways to take the hard things easy?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's like if if I can be in harmony with myself and not try and dominate myself.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_04: Ooh.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_04: Which if you think about it, like you know, if you really kind of play that through, the way we don't the way that we've been taught to dominate others, to have control over others, to dominate the environment, to have control over it.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um, these kinds of like then then then that could translate into it a posture that I could take with myself.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_04: So then I'm gonna try and dominate myself.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_04: So three o'clock rolls around, and I'm like, no, Kelly, no matter what, you're doing this thing.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_04: Power through.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_04: Power, you know.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes that's good.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_04: I'm for that.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, I see three o'clock clients all the time.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like, all right, we're going in.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: We're working on this client.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_03: This is not snack time.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like that three o'clock session for me often has a different pace.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_04: Like I do the two groups during the week.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_04: One of them I do on Monday evenings, uh-huh.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_04: And one of them I do on Wednesday mornings.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_04: And my orientation in those groups is different based on the just based on the time of the day.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: And and I wonder too, maybe also the day of the week.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_04: How I show up.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_03: Monday night.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: No, I know.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um versus Wednesday morning.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_03: They're very, very different.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like if you did one on Friday morning, that would probably also be.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_04: Well, Wednesday morning is almost the summer stol summer solstice of the week in a way.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_04: It's like right at the right at the mid, you know, it's the midpoint.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, totally.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: So going back to thinking about, you know, and uh mean listener, you may be listening to this at a different time of year, which is also like totally fine.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but just uh this idea of or orientation, which I kind of feel like is maybe a growing theme of this particular podcast, um of uh the this idea of orienting myself in the wheel of the year, which is this cycle of the solstices and the equinoxes.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_03: And if you want to get even more detailed, there's there's space in between those equinoxes and solstices that are also midway points.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um that that had always been a big part of my worldview because of your mode, because of my mom.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: And so I do enjoy taking time to um there's a there's a male cardinal out there just flapping its wings and that's beautiful.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's super freaking cute.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's over on the palm palm leaf over there.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh straight that way.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, orienting myself to what is going on in the natural world.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: And then and then also, I mean, for me, I really feel like the psyche can mirror that in a lot of ways.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: And so going back to what's going on right now, what's going on right now is we've pass that midsummer point, that summer solstice point, things are not entirely ramping up in terms of the season changing a whole lot right now.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so and then we're also in Florida, which is sort of like our summer is our winter.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_03: So we've got this whole other thing going on environmentally, where it's like nobody wants to go outside.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: Although Jack is total Jack the cat is totally being a nuisance.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, Jack.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_04: Jackie, Jackie, Jack, Jack is going after my podcord.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my oh my god.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: Give him a treat or something.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_03: Anyways, where was I?
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_03: Talking about things are being I got distracted.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: The cat's trying to attack me.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: Talking about how yeah, that it's it's a slower that it's just a slower time.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_03: Business is slower in the summer in our fields.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Well, people travel.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_03: People travel, schedules change, kids are out of school, it's it's just part of what happens.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm definitely seeing different clients than I would normally.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um and it's hot, and who wants to do anything?
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, I was just talking to my brother Tim.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_04: He lives in New Mexico.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_04: And he was telling me about the really extreme drought that's happening in the southwest.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's terrible.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_04: Like uh I don't know, per a huge percentage of the birds have died.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_04: There there's just they have not really had the kind of snowpack during the winter that they need to be able to fill the rivers.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't know enough about that geography to really talk about that in an educated way, so I'll stop.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_04: But basically, they've been in a d drought conditions and it's terri it's really, really he he and he's lived there for you know fifty years, he's been out there.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and he's like he's never seen anything like it.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_04: Well and then we were talking about, you know, not only is it warm, but apparently it's getting warmer.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_04: This is a part of what's going on.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so in traditional Chinese medicine we do talk about that the extremes of temperature are damaging.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_04: So extreme heat damages the body and extreme cold too.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um as being kind of damaging.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: So it's kind of moving in that direction.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, something yeah, this whole issue of extreme heat.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's I think it's uh something for us to you know kind of grapple with and talk about.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_04: I know that it's front of mind for a lot of folk.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um you know, how however it is that you think that we got to this place where the planet's temperature is increasing, you may have different ideas about that than than I do.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I tend to think that maybe it has something to do with human activity on the planet.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_04: This seems to be what's different.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of human activity in a lot of different ways that didn't used to be here.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_04: And it seems to be affecting the environment.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um I don't know.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think you need to have a a specialized degree to see that uh happening.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_04: To me, it makes a lot of sense.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: I'm in agreement with you.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_04: That's you know, but but perhaps in ten years we'll realize it's with something else.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_04: And that's completely possible.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_03: But either way, it's hotter this summer than it was last summer.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_04: And it's drier in the southwest.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_03: And it's drier, and it may be more humid.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know what the humidity um It's definitely drier, not as much rain during the sum and during the winter and spring.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_04: And the monsoon seasons are shorter and they don't get as much rain as they used to in the desert and etc.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_04: So um yeah.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, how we deal with that, Kelly.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I it's uh here's the thing, I was thinking about it.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_04: I I don't know exactly.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_04: I mean I have a lot of ideas.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm curious.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um that seems to make people more upset about the temperature is um that other people are upset about the temperature.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_04: It's like the heat makes you hot.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_04: I've noticed this.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_04: There's some there's like when it's real hot outside and then people are saying, well, it's global warming, and this is happening, and then then there's maybe like a cultural narrative around it that's in the news cycle.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_04: Um and then there's this whole thing that's happened now in meteorology, which is different, where they used to talk a little bit about wind chill, and that made sense.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, okay, this is the temperature, but the wind chill is this, so make sure that you you cover up.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_04: But now we have this whole thing about the feels like temperature.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's 88, but it feels like 112.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: And then what I see It's like, what is reality?
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: And also, is that a reason to be upset?
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: That the feels like is more than what the temperature is.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: Is that a reason to get hot myself?
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know what it reminds me of?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's com you know what I'm saying?
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's like when it's a 50% off sale.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_03: But then you learn that it was marked up by 50%.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like it it feels like a um what's it called?
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's not a one-two punch, but it's sort of like where it's a uh uh slashing ground.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: You're making this physical thing.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_03: You're doing this physical thing.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_03: A bait and switch.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_03: A bait and switch.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's what it's that is totally what that is.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: That it feels like a bait and switch.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I think too, in terms of confirmation bias, it's like, all right, I should be upset because it's hot out.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_04: And then I see that that feels like temperature is 112.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_04: And then I can confirm that other people are too can also concerned about this.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, uh, the amount of people that walk into my office and just talk about how hot it is outside, which I get because I do it too.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: There's like a sidewalk, I have to walk from the back to the front, and I'm so hot by the time I get into the front, and it's not that far.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, it I think what I'm what I'm hearing from you is like then then there's sort of a a cultural um uh layer to it as well.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_03: And then the people around us are upset.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's hot.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_03: It it's hotter than it is the temperature.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: People around us are talking about how hot it is.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_03: Now we're all upset that it's hot.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: And it just becomes this sort of feedback loop.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_04: So the saying in traditional Chinese medicine is this You ready?
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_04: I'm getting ready to hit you with a saying.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_04: When it's hot, don't flap your arms.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_04: You brought this up.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_04: So this is what I said in group.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_04: When it's hot, don't flap your arms.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_04: Now, this is one of those sayings that it's like a zen saying.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_04: Like you're like, what does that even mean?
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_04: You gotta sit with it.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_04: Like you get it immediately.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_04: It's like a joke.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_04: Like you get it immediately, but you don't exactly know why you get it, right?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: Is it related to why there's a minute where you can sit with it like vegetables or whatever, they'll still drink hot tea even though it's hot out?
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_04: Well, then it warms up your inside, and then your inside's as hot as the outside, and that makes you feel cooler.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_04: Same idea with eating hot spicy food.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_04: So that's why, you know, southern cultures that are you know more unused to it.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_04: But but cultures where it's hotter out eat more spicy food.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_03: Which seems counterintuitive.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_04: But it cools you off because it then you then you're matching the outside.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_03: There is that yin yang.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's exactly right.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's it's a it's about it's that harmony.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_04: It's that really interesting harmony.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe the question is like how okay, like the reality is.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's a it's a saying that applies also to dealing with emotions.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_04: It it's about relationship.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know, when you're hot, don't flap your arms.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_04: Like, just go ahead and be still.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_04: Just be still when you're hot.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_04: And be hot.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_04: But when you it's like have you ever seen the person who's insisting on fanning themselves?
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_04: There have been a couple times when we went to hot yoga where there was someone who was just like, you know, suffering.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_04: It's you're supposed to be silent in there, in the in the room.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_04: But suffering and silence, like at the top of their lungs, like, oh you know.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_04: And then when we're laying down in Savashana in but in between, you know, you hear them sign.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_04: They like put their arm over their face.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know, it's you know, like all this stuff, which is maybe causing more heat.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_04: And I remember Miriam, one of our yoga teachers at one point, and there was somebody really, really like making a big deal about Huffin' and Puffin'.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_04: And I remember her, you know, just like gently sort of chastising that student in her way.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, she's a great, yeah, very pedagogical like uh yoga teacher.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_04: I can't remember exactly what she said, but it was something to the effect of when you're hot, don't flap your arms.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_04: Like just lay there and be hot.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_04: So it's like when you're angry, don't run your mouth.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: No what I mean.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: I I don't know if this is exactly what you're saying, but I'm thinking about um, you know, I started doing a bunch of gardening in the spring when it was much more manageable, and then it slowly started getting hotter and hotter and more mosquito-y.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, I kind of just kept on gardening through a lot of it.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like, and I would adjust the way that I guarded.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I sort of learned when certain parts of the yard were more sunny or would be shaded, and it would be better to do work in that that time.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, learning to work with it as it is, and like just deal with the fact that it's hot.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_03: That it's hot.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_03: And also it is temporary.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_03: That is right.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: Winter will be coming.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how cold it will end up getting, but it will it will change.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yin is always turning into yang, and yang is always turning into yin.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_04: That's that it's it's there's fluidity to it, and I mean it it's even represented in the course of your human life.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_04: Totally.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_04: Which is that you're born.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, you you're very you have very, very yin energy, and then what happens is the yang in your f in your human body starts to raise as you're growing up, right?
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_04: You have a lot of you're like a tender little bamboo shoot in the beginning.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_04: And then you grow, you grow, you grow.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_03: Puberty.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and by the time the sun is at is at its peak, you know, uh I mean, maybe that's your 25 years old.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_04: That's when you're really at the peak of your young energy.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_04: 25, 30 years old.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_04: And from there, it starts going down.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_04: You know.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_04: Everything starts going down.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_04: Everything starts going down.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_04: Gravity.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_04: Gravity takes a toll.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_04: I have a couple of birthmarks that used to be higher on my body.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_04: I can locate them now somewhere around my hip.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, it's weird to notice even just scars that I had on one part of my shoulder.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_04: They used to be up here and now they're down here.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's like parts of my knee used to be a part of it.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_04: You know, right.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, things just go down.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they just go down.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_04: Things go down.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_04: And it's natural.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_04: When you're younger, you grow up.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, here's the thing about it.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's natural.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_04: So I think it has a lot to say about embracing, accepting, and living with aging.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_04: And death.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's like right.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_04: Eventually you will go back into the yin.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_04: You will go back to the shady side.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_03: Eternal yin.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_04: And when you come when you pop back out, who knows what you'll be?
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_04: Sunflower.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's part of the great mystery, I think.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_04: But I think that that I see so many people who really um fight aging.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_04: And hate aging.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_04: They'll say, I hate this.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I get it.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of it that's pretty uncomfortable.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um and we have to deal with it for a long time.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_03: If if we l live long enough.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_03: Well, as my 70-year-old client said once, aging is a privilege.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: Aging is a privilege.
• 43:39
  unknown: Yeah.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_04: And it's and it had certain it's not to say it doesn't have its challenges.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_04: It does.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_04: But I think that embracing that wisdom that as we age we are more yin, so we don't need to sleep as much.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_04: And we don't need to eat as much.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_04: And we need to move differently.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_04: And our bodies will change.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like I can't do the same workouts at 57 that I just used to be able to.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_04: Like if I had taken a break from the gym when I was in my twenties, like let's say, I don't know, I got sick.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_04: Occasionally this would happen to me.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_04: I get sick, I get a bronchitis or something like that, because I was always around kids and whatever.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_04: Get sick and have to take some time out of the gym.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_04: Lose a little conditioning.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_04: Go back to the gym.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_04: I could just pretty much hit right, I could get right pick it back up.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I could pick it back up.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_04: I had the muscle memory, it was right there.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_04: If I take a couple months off now and I go to pick it back up, oh, I'll get injured.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:36
  unknown: Yeah.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_04: I'll get attendinitis.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_04: Uh you know, one of my joints will start to hurt, my back, blah, blah, blah.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's like my body just doesn't recover in the same way.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_04: And that's okay.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_04: Like this idea that we have to pump ourselves full of collagen and peptides and creams and surgery.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_03: Or we have to optimize the hell out of our bodies and our minds.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_04: It's like your body's going to continue to live.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's doing its job.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_04: Give it a freaking break.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_04: You know, give it a freaking break.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_04: Like, stop trying to dominate it.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like really listen to it.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_03: Can you be in harmony with it?
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_04: Can you be in harmony with it as it is today?
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_04: It's like every morning I wake up and shake hands with myself.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like this is the new version.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_04: This is the version of myself today.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, hey.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Hey.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, nice to be.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: Nice to be telling.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, sometimes I'm crabby and irritable or anxious.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_04: I wake up anxious.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_04: Dang.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_04: Or sometimes be in her bonnet.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes I wake up and I'm like on top of the world and whatever it is.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_04: But um, I don't know.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what do you think about all like as I'm saying?
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'm just thinking about back to like orienting ourselves back to this particular time in the year.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like it's hot, it's summer, it's slow, maybe you're feeling a bit tired.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_03: You know, maybe this is like a really just good check-in point for all of those things.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, which I think is really nice because, you know, winter traditionally with this idea of the wheel of the year, that tends to be, my mom would say, you know, winter, it's when the seeds lie fallow, everything is sort of like sleeping, you know, that tends to be a time when we would want to call in more rest.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_03: But actually, what's getting ready to happen with winter is those seeds of yong are getting ready to come up, right?
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_04: That's exactly right.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_04: So it's like sometimes I'll just get a burst of energy right around the winter solstice.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's so weird.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_04: Totally.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I'm like, why do I want to be doing all this stuff right now?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas right now, um, let it letting letting right now be sort of a time of like, all right, let's sort of reflect on um where we're at in our lives and how can we live in in more harmony, like taking the time, um utilizing maybe feeling a little bit more tired or feeling maybe not as motivated or feeling slower.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_04: Also, it's a great time to weed, like psychologically, because I think it's like what you planted in the spring is growing now and it's on its way.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_04: Well, whatever you planted will also be growing, too.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_04: That's right, but whatever you planted is on its way.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_04: So now is a really good time to like edit things back.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_04: Let what you want to grow, just let it grow.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_04: Like you know, so in that way, in the editing way, maybe focus on doing less.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_04: That makes sense.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_03: Focus on doing less.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_03: Well, listeners, I hope that has left you with some things to ponder for yourself.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you know what I'm pondering?
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: Eating some soup peas.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna go eat some of our soup and mosey on through the rest of the day.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_03: But I hope that this has given you some food for thought for your own life and how you can um, you know, meet yourself with a little bit more harmony and less domination.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, back to it's like we talk about being different a lot.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_04: The seasons are different, you're different.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, different times of the day, you're different.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's okay, it's natural.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_04: And being with the part of being human.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you all for listening.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for doing this podcast with me, my sweet baby.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_03: And we'll see you all next time on Being Different Together Okay.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: You ready for this?
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go.