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39. Shedding “New Nurse” Stigma · The Shift Podcast

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Welcome to fight my datak, a podcast that helps bridge, the
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gap between healthcare workers and First Responders and
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everything in between. I can't believe for three months
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into the year of 2023 and it has just been so cold and dreary and
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California. I cannot wait for the sun to
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Peak its way through the clouds again.
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And I just think we're just spoiled to always be
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experiencing sunny weather in California.
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So looking forward to those changes in the weather and I
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also just cannot wait to share this interview with one of my
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clients Yasmin. She came to me as a new nurse
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and she had this new nurse stigma.
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I love talking about this with my clients because I always see
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them saying new nurse. Nurse being able to shed that
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title when they equate it to having enough time or enough
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experience. But she is just a great example
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of how she has used coaching to gain confidence and Propel
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forward to now already mentoring precepting and filling in as
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rapid response at her hospital and just that short amount of
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time that she has been a nurse. And so I love for you to hear
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how her journey has been, shedding that new nurse title
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and also how she is looking into entrepreneurship and Becoming a
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real estate broker along with being a nurse and I think as
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nurses, we oftentimes, think about doing other jobs because
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our shifts allow us to do that. And she talks about this scary
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road that it's taken for her to kind of discover how she can be
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successful in both. So without further Ado, here is
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my interview with Yasmin. Hey guys.
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Mean I wanted to have you on the podcast today and say thank you
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so much for being on. I've really wanted to be on for
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a long time, and you're like, wait let's wait, let's wait.
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And we've been working together for a long time.
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And finally, I'm like, let's just do it.
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So, tell me how you're feeling and tell me a little bit about
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yourself will start there. So my name is Yasmine.
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I have been a nurse for going on, like a year and eight
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months. Now I work in the cardiac ICU.
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I have both to become a flight nurse but also goes to start a
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real estate business with my husband.
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Yes, I love this because this is what we first like kind of came
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together. You sought me out you were
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talking about and let's talk about that first because I see a
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lot of entrepreneurs. Words that are in healthcare and
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I am coaching some people like that, where it's like they think
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there's this huge separation between what they're wanting to
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do. And for you, it's like getting
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into real estate and being a really great nurse to.
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So tell me like your thoughts on that and how you kind of worked
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through that. It's been a journey.
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I feel like I've grown a lot as a nurse out, since we started
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working together but also like a year and like eight months.
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In the, you know, the climate of nursing is very different.
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I feel like that it has been and to kind of, still find a way
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that this career can serve other people but also serve you.
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And you like being honest about like what you really want and
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how you envision your life and you know, we have a tendency to
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think we can only do one thing. Or I have a tendency to think I
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can only do one thing at once. One time or I can only be One
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thing, but I think there's different sides of trying to
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explore things that like serve you and trying to achieve those
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goals that can be challenging but also like, you know, it's a
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part of like growth. I feel like in yourself.
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Yeah. And we've talked about this a
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lot and really at the beginning of our conversation that we make
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the best entrepreneurs or the best people to be able to do two
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different. Ears because we're so used to
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multitasking and we've been practicing that our whole career
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and so like, as you've made that switch in trying to get into
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real estate and I'm really doing that.
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Now what are aspects of nursing that you feel like you're going
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to build to bring in real estate for yourself to make you
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successful? I think, you know, there's a,
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there's a great deal of like I'm being compassionate with people
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kind of trying to understand, like, where they're coming from
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in nursing. You are in a way, like, problem
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solving for your patients, and their families, but also trying
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to educate and give them answers.
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And like a huge part of real estate that I'm realizing to is
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like, you know, educating your clients and helping them feel
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comfortable in the new challenge of whether they're like, trying
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to look for a house or whatever reason is driving them to buy.
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And so, I think also just like, solving any issues that might
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come up like, you know, sometimes there can be a lot of
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unexpected challenges at work that you just don't foresee in
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the 12 hours. And that's kind of the same with
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real estate, whether whatever it might be, like, with client
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issues that you have to solve. So, I think being I mean,
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critical thinking problem-solving and just like a
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girl having empathy for people. Yeah.
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Yeah I love that and I think that you've really liked worked
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through some of that, how it's really going to make you a good
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real estate agent to ultimately seeing the things in critical
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care, the things that you're working on as well.
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One other thing that I wanted to really bring you on and talk to
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you about today was when we first met, your challenge was
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really this new nurse mentality and I hear a lot of my clients
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and people come to me and talk to me about that and say, well,
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I'm just a new nurse and so when I have more experience, then
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I'll be able to do that. And what I've been really
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impressed with with you is that as we work through like Is
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considered a new nurse like what's the time period on it and
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when we kind of shut down some of those beliefs, you grew so
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quickly into precepting mentoring.
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Now doing rapid response training in the short amount of
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time being in critical care. So tell us about where you kind
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of started with that journey and where you are now.
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I think when I first became a nurse I always thought that your
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knowledge just equated to how much time and experience that
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you have. And and I do think with time you
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do gain a lot of knowledge but there's also I think one of the
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points that you've pointed out like I think as I've stepped
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into other roles like precepting and Rapid I've always like well
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I feel like they're choosing me because they don't have anybody
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else but that's actually like Miss I had you help me debunk as
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well as just saying like no, like they see something in you,
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you know there's there's other people that have been there for
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a while or in time and you know, there's a reason why they aren't
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assuming these roles. And so it's also not just, I
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would say time that equates as we know it's a mix of like your
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will to learn like how you are good with people and like how
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you know even though I'm my practice is still Early new,
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it's like these things. These core things that I have
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incorporated into my practice that help help me.
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Like, I even now, you know, some calls, I don't even know all the
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answers. And sometimes I find myself
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making silly mistakes because I might be moving fast, but my
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ability to ask questions and like understand and like really
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use the resources around me as really, what has gotten me
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through, you know, some situations you when I don't have
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all the answers. Yeah.
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And I think you've been Prime example of that for me as far as
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like as I'm helping you walk through getting rid of this new
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nurse stigma. You really stepping into the
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confidence of who you are as a nurse.
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And other people are seeing that.
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To the result of that is, they're asking you to be in
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these positions. So if you would just let people
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know, like, when we met how far, how long had you been a nurse I
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probably only been, I think we started like March, so I've
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probably been a nurse for like six months.
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Yeah, and now, how long have you been a nurse and you're moving
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into these roles amazing? Aren't ya amazing?
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And I want to tell you why? Because a lot of people come to
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me to work on confidence who have been nurses for two or
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three years, five years. And they're still saying I still
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feel like a new nurse. I still feel new and critical
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care. But you like debunked that and
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really just as your confidence grew, these roles kept coming to
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you. What are your thoughts about
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that? I think one of the things that I
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learned to, in a way with my comments, I still feel like a
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very much new nurse but that, like uncertainty and that fear,
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I think, one of the big things you kind of taught me is like
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how do you you know kind of work your way through that fear.
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I get the analogy is like you're riding in a car with it, you
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know, you kind of take it with you.
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It's like it's definitely still there but not to the point that
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it's hindering me from moving forward.
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It's like, yes, these these fears and these concerns are
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here and they are definitely valid to have and like accepting
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the fear of that. But it shouldn't be.
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What's holding you back? Because sometimes those fears
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and things they can. I guess it's catastrophizing
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like you can hash revise a lot of situations but instead of
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using that they're like, hey, you are scared, you have a right
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to be scared but this shouldn't be the main thing that's
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distracting you or causing you to blinding your vision to
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actually see what like it's in front of you and that you were
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capable of doing, how have you liked it?
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Used that fear to really help you in your everyday shift?
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I think, you know, I mean, I think I use my fear in a way of,
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it's a good thing. You know, if you're not feel
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for, if you're not scared in the some aspect, you know, it's
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another analogy. I like to use is like, Buck
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Fever. I guess when, you know, when you
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stop hunting, or like you stop, you know, getting that like
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fear, then you should stop hunting, if that makes sense,
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but like was buck deer. Like, if you stop having that
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fear then I guess your, I feel like I'm losing that challenge.
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You should try to evaluate longer, why?
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Made sense. Yeah I love that because like
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our brain naturally wants to go to all the negative things, fear
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creates for us, but what you learned how to do was carry, the
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fear in the car with you and how to make it work for you.
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And I have one of these moments to where you kind of work
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through your fear. So when I first became a nurse I
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did it like a Residency program and I ended up rotating through
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different Specialties and minor rotation was very hard for me.
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I dealt with anxiety, really, it was really hard for me.
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Like I would have moments where I would just like fries and
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start shaking and I had a lot of good free scepters in neuro and
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they were very knowledgeable and so I was on a rapid calls my
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last day. Of training actually.
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And this was like a few days ago and one of my preceptor Zhao,
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she was orienting, somebody else to like rapid and I look up and
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she's there and I start shaking like I started to feel like I
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was back in neuro and I was like, oh my God!
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Oh my God, but then I realized I'm like, well, this is your
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call. Like you still have to do what
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you have to do and I was like, you know, she puts her pants on
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one, one leg at a time, just like you and I had to like work
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through that and I was really proud of myself because I could
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have just like crumbled, like kind of a, did it a girl?
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But I didn't and I was like, no, you have to keep going.
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But I did have a moment where I started the like shaking, like
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those anxiety moms. And I felt like, I was like,
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back to being a nurse for like, four or five months, and I was
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like, no, you have to keep going.
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So that felt really good to kind of get through in a moment
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because it was like, I really had to change course, very fast.
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Yeah, and you've learned to really I think with your
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confidence, as your confidence cons up, gone up, you've learned
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how to change courses like that. And what would you say to
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people? Because I hear this a lot as
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well and I want to go back to precepting, but I wanted to ask
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you this question, you know, especially in the ICU as we have
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around as we have intensivist. As we have people that we have
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to speak up and ask for things a lot.
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How did you kind of get over the nervousness of that?
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I think it was coming from a place of trying to understand
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why as I progress in this role of Rapid to like sometimes I
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don't always, I'm trying to like understand the pathway because
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especially when somebody's like oh do this and I'm like I don't
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understand why I'm doing this. I am very fast to ask like, why?
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I like, I'm pretty sure I have annoyed some providers but I
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would rather understand why I'm doing something and understand
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the rationale behind Did versus doing something.
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And then if I don't know why I'm doing it and something happens
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then I don't know how to fix it. If that makes sense you're like
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how it sounds like you weren't afraid to ask questions?
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Yeah. And even though like yeah they
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got it won't be like really annoying than the like answer me
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with attitude, I'm like oh thank you because now I understand,
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because if I meet this again, I'll understand your analogy.
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Even though you're very annoyed already.
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But like my big thing is like because yeah.
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If something happens, how am I going to fix it?
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If I don't know why in the first place I'm doing it.
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Yeah, it was like getting over that initial fear of just asking
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like speaking up and asking. I wanted to go back to
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precepting because a lot of people have fears of precepting
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and you've been able to be so successful and doing it, so
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early on in your career. And I know you believe this
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thought because your results are showing it, they keep asking you
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to preset people. And so, what do you think for
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you? For people who are having fear
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of precepting? Like what do you think has
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created success for you and being able to handle that role?
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I forget somebody is like told me this but like when you're
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actually able to teach it is when you actually connect truly
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understand something or like teach it back and so when I
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started precepting I it was very hard at first I was like, why am
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I doing this? This was like so unsafe and as I
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started to it challenged me to seek why but like fine The
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easier way to explain it in layman's terms or away that
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like, I could understand. So precepting constantly to see
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Qui and like, find resources that are easy to understand and
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like view, things different ways and then also how you explain
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it. Like, you know, you could use
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all the, like, the jargon and sometimes, but sometimes I can
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make it very hard to understand. So like it kind of went back
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from like language But also, it helped me sometimes with my
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anxiety because, you know, if somebody is fairly new and that,
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you know, if they come to you and you want help, like you
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can't kind of freaked out like that, that won't help the
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situation. So it also helped me like, stay
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calm and situations because I'm like, well, this is their time
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to like learn and I don't want to take away from that by being
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upset, or clouding, like their judgment just because I'm a
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little anxious. So, I think priest.
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Acting helped me grow a lot in that aspect of being able to
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give clear instructions but also being able to explain in like a
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timely manner as well. Yeah.
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And what I'm hearing from you is that actually precepting is
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teaching you a lot as well. Yeah, teaches me a lot about
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myself and how I handle situations, but also like how I
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learn and, like, starting I want to say like, maybe starting a
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pathway clear. Sure.
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But like, you know, actually visualizing the anatomy and then
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breaking it down into little Parts as well as home.
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Hmm. And one question I want to ask
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you about coaching to is that you had never been coached prior
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to us starting to work together. So what what has coaching really
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taught you? And like, what are some of your
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biggest takeaway since we've been starting to work together?
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I mean, it's definitely helped with my confidence is definitely
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has helped. It's definitely helped me.
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See, I mean, I'm not I guess I would say in a way.
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I'm not special, you know, that but not in a bad way but like,
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oh, you actually are capable like the reasons that you think
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like, oh everybody is able to do.
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This is like special. It's like no there's a certain
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you know there's a certain way to like kind of get through
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things in like you know, fear isn't necessarily bad and like
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working through fear can really like limit you but also like
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Thoughts. Like the thoughts you have
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behind things really affect like your actions and like how you
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show up as well. Yeah, we've had like a lot of
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momentous movement and the time that we've worked together but
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there was a period in time where you were retracting a little bit
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and you were like I'm not really getting to my goals like what's
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going on with me? What do you tell me about that
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moment? And what shifted for you?
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In that, I think it was really, you know, really trying to
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Define what we you know what, my goals were and like why?
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Because I think for a little bit, I guess you would say you I
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don't have lost like side of it but you can get really caught up
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or focused just on one thing and overwhelmed and sometimes you
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know your energy level just isn't designed to like spread.
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Add yourself so thin, but sometimes in order to like show
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up and do things that you want to do you really have to like
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understand your Y and vision? You know, I thought about like,
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oh, you know, blaming certain things like, oh, is it because I
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work night shift or it's because I work so far and things like
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that and it's like well what are the what are the things that you
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can still get out of the situation?
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Like what are you gaining from where you are right now.
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But then we're do you kind of hope.
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To be. And like, what are some of the,
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like goals that you are not achieving in?
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Like, what, what do you think that struggle is?
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And how can you leverage where you currently are right now to
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to get you to where you want to be?
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You know, what are some of the good things about the situation
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that you are in that you can use to your advantage to help you
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get you to your next goal because one of those big goals
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is one of the challenging things for me is like I have not passed
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by real-estate test yet and, you know, I think I'm always
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thinking of the reasons of Why Real Estate like won't work, but
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like Step One is passing this test and and some of the reasons
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I have struggled is just allocating time for studying and
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sometimes my confidence level has been shot at times because
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I've taken it about four times now and come really close like
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one on the national one in the state and sometimes it just like
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shakes your confidence so it's like I've gotten up all this
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energy and I've studied and then after the test like it's really
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hard. Because if you Don't study for a
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month or so you start to kind of lose those skills.
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So it's like how do I keep that confidence up to make sure I'm
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honoring a study schedule but also still, you know, showing up
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and doing the work that I need to do.
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Yeah. And what I noticed with you,
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what kind of Switched you back into gear was one, just trusting
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yourself. Like you started, trusting
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yourself that each thing that you were doing was the right
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thing for you? And then the second thing was
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you stop telling yourself, I don't know.
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When you stop saying like, I don't know, and I was like, but
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if you did know, what would be your next thing?
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That's when you came up with all these solutions for yourself to
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get yourself, sick, success in those areas.
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I would definitely agree with that and that's why I'm still
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trying to keep. I think, for the past month,
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I've actually stayed true and like honored, this study
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schedule because I also know like it's not forever, it's not
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temporary. I mean it is temporary.
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And by honoring this to myself, like I won't, I won't regret
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this because I think for me like the next chapter is how Once I
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pass this test with. Like how do you honor like both
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and like kind of show up for both?
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Both in a way to kind of get to the goals that I'm trying to
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achieve, you know. And I think in a way we've
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talked and I was like, you know, I'm very happy where I am right
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right now. But I think the next step is
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kind of passing my test and getting to where I want to be in
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real estate. And then moving forward for the
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next steps of like, my nursing career, which would be like,
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starting to Pursuits. Like, okay.
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Yeah, I love that. And what is she like?
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Now your confidence level and being able to do all Things I
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would still say it definitely waxes and wanes some days it's
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like yeah this is a 9 to 10 and some days it's like this is a
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five this is a for like why are you so why are you so much
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money? Like no.
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I'm right where I'm supposed to be in, like trying to forgive
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myself in those moments and understanding that, you know,
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some days I can give 110% some days like I can't but even the
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amount that I do give is enough and, you know, No.
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I still unable to be able to hit Michael that I'm looking for.
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Yeah, I love that. And last question for you.
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What's like then, either something that you've learned in
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our time working together or in your time as a nurse that has
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been really helpful for you in gaining, the success that you
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have right now. I think one of the biggest
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things is I mean, working in critical care and seeing a lot
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of death. It's just also realizing how
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short life is and I think one of the things I have talked to you
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about is like how do I you honor your patience and life in a
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certain way. It's like you know you realizing
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you know how am I doing the things that you know, I would
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look back and be happy that I did that I tried Not regret.
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And I think also, I mean, one of the things I have learned
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working with you is just, you know, our thoughts, really do
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matter in. Like, the way that we talk to
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ourselves and also, you know, there is when sometimes you are
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feeling like there's no way out there are steps that you can
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take like, you know, I guess we could say our pathway of, you
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know, first acknowledging, my fear to solving the problem like
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finding the resources, I find myself.
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No, going back. Am I using the right word?
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Is it pathway when we call that the past?
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Which was your, this was your path.
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This was your path to overcoming fear that.
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I love that we go back to. Yeah.
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And and also just working with you.
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Realizing how much fear has like effect on my life and how much
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overcoming. The fear has also benefited
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being way looking back. And I think some of the things
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to it's like what are situations that you can look back on that,
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you like overcome. Like when you've overcome fear
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There and you know the steps are very similar.
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Yeah. Repetitive yet what's great too
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is and I think that, you know, I'm curious what your thought
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about it is that most of my clients when I'm working with
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them, on one thing that they want to be better at whether
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it's career rise or whatever, it is that it trickles into the
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rest of their life. And so like with that, fear has
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have you been able to apply that to not just your career as well?
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Yeah, I would definitely send be able to apply that to real
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estate but also just like my life like what like you know, I
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can tell you all the things like some of the girls I attained hit
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or just a little bit different. And I'm always like, what if it
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doesn't work? Like this is crazy.
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Like, why am I doing this? But it's like, you know,
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acknowledging like a lot of that talk is like from fear and once
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I like Center myself and I'm like, these are, this is why I
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like this is, you know, you are where you are, meant to be, you
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know, So when I overcome the idea of like, okay W like why do
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you want these things to really think about like how it will
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serve. Serve me and like serve my life.
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I'm able to like kind of get through that we had fog.
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Yeah, I love that. Well, thank you so much for
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being on. I know that you work night and
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it's hard to schedule and Beyond this.
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Oh, I really appreciate, you know, you talking about candidly
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this new nurse My some of the fears that you've had, I really
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think that a lot of people listening are going to be able
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to take something from that. Well, I appreciate you Janessa
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so much. I don't think I would be where I
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am right now. Definitely, we haven't started
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working together, so I'm very thankful and I'm just so happy
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to continue to work together. You're a lot of fun to coach,
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and I just really appreciate you trusting me in this journey and
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I cannot wait to see where you keep going.
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Okay, thank you a Zine by If you're ready to shed this new
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nurse stigma and step into your new role more confidently, come
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get coaching or if you thinking about doing something else and
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venturing into a different career choice or
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entrepreneurship as a healthcare worker.
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And you're trying to figure out how to make both of those
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identities work for you come get coaching from me as well.
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We can figure out how you can go forward and move confidently in
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both of these roles and be successful and whatever your
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next goal and Venture is that's it for this week.
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And I will talk with all of you guys next week.
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Bye.