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Spider-Noir (Episodes 1 & 2) · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh God. I was, cause we were talking to someone
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else about like nails and I'm like, I can't.
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And I was just like, I can't have long nails.
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Cause I play the bass. And the person I had been
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talking to for two hours, like, yeah, I can't
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have long nails because of my sex life. I'm like,
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God damn it. Are we talking about hand jobs?
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Yeah. Inside hand jobs. Inside hand jobs. I mean,
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it's all a hand job, right? It was an inside
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job, though. The hand came from within. It's
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coming from inside the house. Hey, hey, now,
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hey, now, hey, now. I want you to use your outside
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hand job. Inside handjobs would have been sort
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of like taboo back in 1930s. I mean, you know,
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all gay things was taboo in the 1930s. That's
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true. Nobody said an inside handjob was gay.
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I mean, that's fingering. Or it's a handjob in
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jail. Yeah. It's an in -the -joint handjob. Joint
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job. A good classic joint job. Of all the joint
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jobs. I had to walk into this one. Yeah, we're
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going to do the whole podcast like this scene?
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Yeah. Yeah. Immediately, my first complaint about
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the show is the is. There's this whole shtick
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scene. Oh, man. Okay, yeah. Nick, how do you
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feel about that? It does not bother me. Actually,
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in fact, the time when he was behind the door
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or whatever, and you just hear him say, I lose
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it every time. Welcome back. Before we get started,
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welcome back to Cage. I'm Sean, here with my
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co -host, Nick. And our producer. peter hello
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i feel like i came in at a weird cadence when
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i started that and i just kind of had to keep
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it going oh yeah just ride it yeah you were just
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like a hair slow and i was just ready i was just
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edging all the way up until i had to bust my
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name out felt like a weird inside hand job but
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you know um and we are discussing the first two
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episodes of spider and the wall yeah nick cage's
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first tv show which is kind of fucking amazing
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first scripted tv show he did do the history
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of swearing on netflix well okay but that's like
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a netflix kind of sure and it was a series but
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it wasn't so much which we should do at some
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point we should watch some of those episodes
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but it wasn't like a scripted show he wasn't
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acting yeah i'm sure there was a script i think
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you just had to say fuck a lot yeah yeah that's
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pretty good though pretty good i mean of all
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the things to say it's a pretty good career solid
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one yeah it's worked for samuel jackson and it
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worked for jonah hill that's true yeah uh all
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right i just want to i want to share speaking
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of sam jackson um there's a line in ted 2 where
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gross they meet the new love interest who's sam
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jackson samantha jackson samantha like louise
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jackson like oh shit you're sam l jackson and
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she's like who's that it's like you ever see
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a movie black guy i got to use a similar line
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um yesterday because my co -workers like had
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to host stand up and she's like i don't have
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anything interesting so i googled celebrity birthdays
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i'm like any elfman's birthday and she's like
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i don't know who that is i'm like you ever see
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a movie he wrote the score yeah pretty much if
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it was fun if it was a fun score yeah it was
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a little zany um every once in a while there'll
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be like a really like umber like good music score
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i'm like it was really good who did that i'm
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like and it'll be daniel but i'm like ah weird
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yeah yeah what'd you think of the score of this
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tv show by kirby by kirby my therapist yeah that's
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the one did you know i mean that'd be cool if
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you just like him to not tell me he did another
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he was associated with more nick cage shit Yeah.
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Maybe they're not allowed to tell you. I don't
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know. It could be a conflict of interest. Yeah.
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He could actually introduce you to Nick Cage.
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Kirby hasn't been my therapist for well over
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a year now. What is it, two years before you
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can be friends with your therapist? I think you
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just never can be friends with your therapist.
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Yes. They know too many of your dark secrets.
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Yeah. Yeah, well, they can't just like be dominating
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all your time by flexing on you all the time.
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Too many inside hand jobs. Yeah. How how bad
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would that feel if you were just paying your
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therapist and they bragged like for an hour every
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week, just bragging at you? And it's like, all
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right, same time next week. I'll keep taking
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your money. I'm about to go do something fun.
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Have fun, loser with your sad ass life. I should
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be a therapist. All right, let's talk Spider
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Noir. I'm feeling it now. Yeah, you ready? It's
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got me. It's got me. captured now i just took
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a big nap um or in in lead up to this because
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i was feeling fucking exhausted dude same how
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long was your nap let's talk about that how great
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is a nap a nap story oh yeah as as people in
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our now almost 42s or whatever you old piece
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of shit yeah it feels great to take a nap it
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was weird taking a night nap though oh yeah i'm
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really glad that might be it's you're running
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a dangerous game into turning it into just sleep
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yeah which i could have yeah if i didn't have
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this going on i probably would have rolled right
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into sleep totally would have been fine with
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it which is a sad saturday no it's a great saturday
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afternoon i uh i got my haircut today and uh
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the girl who does my hair she's talking about
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her kid being on like summer break soon and how
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he's six and doesn't nap and i'm like fucking
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kids are dumb fucking naps are amazing that's
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all i want to do as an adult yeah well it feels
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like a punishment when you're a kid because then
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you've just got all that energy and yeah you're
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uh being forced you're forced to do it that's
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the shitty part is like you have to do it yeah
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choosing a nap now that's the fucking sweet spot
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also the best part about being an adult and napping
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is it's just like it's 20 minutes closer to death
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that i don't have to exist God, I long for the
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long nap. The sweet, sweet little deaths. Wait,
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that's orgasms, right? Spider Noir is... Spider
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Noir is... I wouldn't know. Gotta get one of
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those inside hand jobs. Oh, we brought it back.
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Oh, my God. Spider Noir is a lot of fun, much
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like this conversation. It doesn't make a lot
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of sense, and there's weird accent work, but
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I'm enjoying it. I kind of liked his accent.
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I don't, it doesn't bother me that much. The
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sort of like marble mouth sort of style. I don't,
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I don't mind the accent work at all. I really
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enjoy what he's doing. I really enjoyed the whole
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like shtick. My only minor issue is just like
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him and Gleason are in the same show. No one
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else is in the same show as these two. I don't
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know. I mean, Janet's like a fast talking smart
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lady. Yeah. You know, she's got the vibe. I think
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Janet exists in the same world. I think Robinson
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or Robbie. Robbie. Cat Hardy. I don't know. She's
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she's just sort of doing like sexy lady. Yeah.
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She's very much like a socialite. Noir. Angel.
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Angel. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Character. So
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everyone everyone is doing a very good job. It's
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specifically. and it comes across nick cage's
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love for classic films for silent film work he's
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doing a lot of like silent film style like body
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work um there's one when we talk about episodes
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three and four there's one so we'll talk about
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that for sure i want to mention so he's doing
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but he's doing there's a lot of like that pre
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-talky energy that nick cage is bringing it goes
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back to my thing about how when we did um planet
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terror it's like it's hard to watch good actors
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try and act poorly so there's aspects of this
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where it's like it's hard to watch really good
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actors try and act in a way that was like being
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invented when talkies first came out and they're
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not used to acting this way and it's just like
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sometimes it feels forced in a way that i'm like
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i'd wish you just play the scene straight yeah
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i can see that um yeah yeah either way but i'm
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enjoying it it's just like there there are definitely
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parts where i'm like let's just move on from
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like not everybody needs to be at that same level
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as cage right i need everyone to be 20 less hammy
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or 20 more hammy i need like i either need the
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full honey baked or like just let nick cage do
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his thing yeah Yeah, I think it's a stupid sketch
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about smiling and the whitest kids. Yeah. I want
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you to happier with your mouth open. well chief
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it could use i see what you mean it could be
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uh like tuned up to that level a little bit no
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i think it's it's actually a really fun show
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and i think it's done really well i'm impressed
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with it so far i'm enjoying it so far um heads
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up we're gonna spoil it we're gonna talk about
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the the first two episodes here um pretty candidly
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so we're not dancing around it if you haven't
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watched it yet and don't want to hear what the
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plot line is stop listening and then come back
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later My expectations of this when I first heard
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about the show were extraordinarily low and I
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kept them as low as possible because I did not
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want to get excited about it. Yeah, well, Sony
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did a really good job of making everybody, I
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hope, very unexcited about the prospect of any
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non MCU Spider -Man like affiliated video. Oh,
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my God. Is this just been like a prolonged like.
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edging which is like or it's morbid time madam
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webb um oh my god brave and the hunter we're
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just gonna keep you super soft so you can bust
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all over as white and noir yeah we're just gonna
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give you a little bit of venom every once in
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a while to sort of like keep you maybe get you
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going it could it could still happen we could
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still enjoy this yeah um but yes this movie or
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this uh show is uh it's really captured my attention
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like i really enjoy watching every episode yeah
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uh the length of the episodes i really enjoy
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i think the 45 minute ish mark is really good
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spot for it sweet spot i was really i was honestly
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expecting quick 22 minute episodes i'm so that's
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what i was thinking too happy that they're like
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actually full like 45 42 to 45 minute episodes
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um i went into this with the expectation of we
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were going to get throughout the entire show
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12 minutes of spider -man um my watching the
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first trailer of him swinging through new york
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i thought was gonna be like that's gonna be like
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that was their entire effects budget in that
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trailer that's gonna be the end of the show and
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that's what it starts with uh his voiceover and
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backstory and that like the ropey the cgi work
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is not great but it's it's tv i'm not mad at
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it but i really expected that to be the closer
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of the show but no he's swinging from he's swinging
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from the word go he's spider -man the entire
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time so i appreciate that that's what we're doing
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yeah the swinging is kind of whatever that's
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about the weakest part i think of the visuals
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of this definitely yeah i think sean you put
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it as like kind of a rubbery cgi spider -man
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you know and that's that is how it looks and
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feels but you know there's a lot of good practical
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effects in general and then oh god his webbing
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is like kind of repulsive yeah yeah organic webbing
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should be gross it should be gross and it is
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gross especially in the black and white it looks
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like gnarly i like how just uh in the in the
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black and white for sure they do such a good
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job of making it like distinct and like visible
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like the times where it looks darker or like
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when it's like really light uh it stands out
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all the time yeah we're all watching in black
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and white right correct i did watch the first
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two in color afterwards but so i started the
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first one in true hue after watching it in black
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and white and i watched the opening scene the
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cg looks infinitely worse in color like the black
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and white hides so much yeah artifacting and
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like makes it look a lot better um but as soon
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as we got and then we got the first scene with
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him in the um in the bar and my first immediate
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notice is like they they lit this to ultimately
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be shown in black and white they did no color
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correction for the true hue so it just it looks
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really muddy and just it looks really off um
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i did not enjoy it yeah well it's it's costumed
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and all the scenery and stuff is designed to
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kind of reflect a uh like a colorized film so
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it's like if a black and white film got restored
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and colorized um so they wouldn't have designed
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it for color so you would have had deeper shadows
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and all that kind of stuff so that makes some
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sense and then also just like the uh the the
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saturation of colors and stuff to make things
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distinct in black and white is also uh very much
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present um i do like the a lot of the costuming
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in color um there are some things that like in
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black and white i think are just still ultimately
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better costuming wise like uh cat's dress in
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the night uh nightclub clearly that is the intended
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like version um and i was talking with a friend
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of mine yesterday about it and he was just like
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well why why even release it both ways and we
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both came to the conclusion that there is a subset
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of people who just will not watch something in
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black and white they just refuse to because they
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think it's they think it looks cheap or it's
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like i i once dated someone who'd never seen
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clerks because she's like that's a black and
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white movie and i'm like Yeah, my ex -wife really
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struggled with black and white stuff. She really,
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really had a hard time with it. For whatever
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reason, it just like made her brain kind of turn
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off. She was like, I don't know. This is just
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like not fun for me to watch. Yeah. So I find
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it really delightful. And I really love, especially
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that they played into it. It's like whoever the,
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you know, the directors, the DPs, like they're
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playing with these deep shadows, long cast lights.
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It's really, really pretty and it's well done.
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And it makes you think about like. old tv old
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movies like they they caught the vibe really
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nicely yeah and they did a really good job with
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the uh capturing that noir uh appearance definitely
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my friend uh kaylee like text me if i was asking
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to watch if i was watching the show she said
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no bitch i hate nick cage so i was and i asked
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her i'm like are you watching black and white
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or color she said color and my response was incorrect
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start over Her response was, ha ha, fuck that.
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It's not actually 1930s LMAO. And I'm like, incorrect.
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I will say the one thing that stood out to me
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better in color in these first two episodes is
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Flint Marco's character of Sandman. I think that
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the animation of like his skin and everything
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works better in color than it did in black and
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white. I think it didn't read as much in that
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scene when I was watching it. the true way does
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look like he just has like eczema in black yeah
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yeah exactly like that guy just needs to exfoliate
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a little bit maybe all right yeah up until the
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point where he goes all sandy hand and like uh
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sandy i do not want a sandy handy I don't know.
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Restore that youthful feeling. Bust all those
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calluses and shit off. You're right. Oh, my calloused
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dick. Just fully. It releases the skin's freshest
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layer. Uh huh. Uh huh. Yeah. The dick and noticeably.
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a notably calloused tool what is this episode
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let's talk about the plot line of this show we're
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all well underslept clearly yeah all right so
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we'll give the quick rundown so nick cage is
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ben reilly he's a spider -man um and the spider
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He's the spider. He's the legally distinct the
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spider. The spider. So he's been a hero for a
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while. His hopeful fiance dies and he hangs it
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up for a bit to become a private eye. Maybe he
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was a private eye before. I don't know. Doesn't
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matter. He could have been both. No, he was a
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photographer. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Robbie
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was a photographer. robbie was a photographer
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but they also talk about how ben was a good photographer
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too yeah because ben always always good shots
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the spider right now kind of that classic peter
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parker situation like oh how'd you always get
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those great shots we're kind of buddies yeah
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yeah um he has a secretary named janet janet
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yeah who's played by karen rodriguez and she's
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fucking awesome she's my favorite she's incredible
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yeah she nails that role so fucking well yeah
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his buddy um robbie robertson played by um lamar
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morris fucking awesome i love that guy too fucking
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winnie the bush he's great he's so fun he was
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good in black and white too like his style is
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so fucking nice his suits look really nice in
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color though i believed it so yeah it was like
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oh man he's he's sharp i love him in everything
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and i think it's episode three there's one episode
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where he just like he gets to do just a little
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bit of slapstick and i'm like i think that's
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three yeah yeah guess who i am yeah i did like
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his ketchup sandwich though yes so depressing
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or depression meals depression meals i do my
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favorite i will say my favorite line from the
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first episode is when robbie and uh ben are having
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lunch and robbie like takes to pickle up ben's
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plate and just goes That's a used pickle, Robbie.
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He eats it and he's just like... Yeah. Well,
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fuck it, you're poor. Like, fuck it, that's the
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depression. It is, right? Gotta eat. Then we've
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got Lee Jun Lee is Cat Hardy, who's this lounge
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singer. And then the sort of big bad in it, Silvermane,
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is played by Brendan Gleeson, who... to sean's
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point earlier really does feast in this role
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i mean they let him loose and he's he's scary
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like he's he does a good job so my immediate
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read on this show is just like just because we're
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talking about the cast my immediate read on this
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entire cast is how many of these people just
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signed on to do something with nicholas cage
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i mean it could be that it could be that like
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the concept of doing a Spider -Man TV show was
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interesting. I mean, doing this 1930s sort of
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weird twist on it is cool. I mean, it's very
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stylized. It's very different. Yeah. You know,
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it's a, what is it? Lord and Miller. Yeah. Lord
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and Miller. Who executive produced this entire
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thing. And like, obviously Spider -Verse is very
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stylized and very appealing to people to be a
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part of. So you'd hope that they would be. successful
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with something like this too yeah there's a there's
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a lot of draw uh nicholas cage lord and miller
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just based on the first two episodes and i have
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not finished the show yet but based on the first
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two episodes uh and if you do know the answer
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to this don't answer it but if you haven't finished
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it and i'm talking to you too and like want to
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chime in just in terms of speculation because
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he does reference in the like the first line
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of the show is like you know someone once told
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me there are other dimensions but this is the
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only dimension i've ever known um is it supposed
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to be the same spider -man do you think like
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is ben reilly like uh nom de pleur oh yeah i've
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i've seen the speculation that ben reilly is
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a name that he puts on uh for the show but his
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real name is peter parker uh i I don't think
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that we're looking at the Spider -Man noir character.
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It'd be amazing if he just busted out a Rubik's
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Cube at some point. I was going to say, I've
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been looking in the background for it. That would
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be pretty funny. For some reason in color. No
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matter what version you choose. Goddamn. But
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it's inscrutable. I'm going to figure this out.
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Who wants to do episode one? to kind of run down
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oh man uh i'm gonna have a hard time trying to
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keep my episodes it's tough right um so episode
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one we get the introduction to spider -man we
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find out that he's been retired for five years
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after his fiancee died in what seems to be some
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type of drowning incident yeah she seems to be
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handcuffed to the steering wheel of that car
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as it's going down which definitely kind of feels
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like a silvermane or some crime boss yeah some
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revenge came after the spider found out about
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her and but so ben has just become a private
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eye but one that has a bit of a like is overly
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cautious and a bit of a conscience like he he
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turns away work or he'll take work but then won't
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charge people or give them their money back To
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the chagrin of a secretary who hasn't been paid
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in months. Oh, my God. When he hands the money
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back to Carmody and it just has that brief shot
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of her and her eyes just get really big. Oh,
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gosh, she's so good. She's the best. She's my
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favorite character. Yeah. OK, so he gets hired
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to investigate Cat Hardy, who this really ugly
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man with no charm, no charm, no wit. Yeah. claims
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is his wife but clearly is being you know some
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part of a setup yeah so he climbs up to the penthouse
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of this gigantic fucking building without using
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his spider powers the the sad look on his face
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when he just kind of is like all the way up a
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penthouse uh penthouse a climbs up the fire escape
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he's climbing up the fire escape goes by a window
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where a guy is looking stamps and sticking them
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to his like shirtless torso and he's a big hairy
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guy and then just camera comes in off the side
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and click yeah that's i think uh probably one
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of our first looney tunes ish kind of uh yeah
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illusions in this show yeah so he catches the
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mayor he doesn't realize it at the time like
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soliciting cat hardy yeah oh yeah he wants to
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get handy he wants the inside hand job uh and
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you know she slaps him and then cage sprays him
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with spider goop yeah webs him before he can
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slap her back and and this disappears yeah so
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then goes to the nightclub to keep tracking her
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down yeah they switch the plan he's gonna now
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blackmail her yeah because so he gets when he
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realizes that it's the mayor he's like because
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he gives ugly guy gives the money back he's like
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i can't do this job for you she's a loyal loving
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wife your your wife is your wife loves you mr
25:01
carmody aren't you so thrilled yeah uh there's
25:05
no chance it's with that syphilitic walrus he's
25:08
gonna blackmail uh he's gonna blackmail kat hardy
25:11
with pictures of her with the mayor um we get
25:14
that amazing like lounge singer scene yeah um
25:18
which kind of like it's a very modern musical
25:23
beat and musical number and i fucking loved it
25:26
like i was just like the camera work was great
25:28
it's really good i want the show i wanted the
25:30
show to lean more into that going forward uh
25:32
and episode two it kind of doesn't um i do love
25:37
her outfits and i love whenever she's on screen
25:39
um there's one i think it's episode two um might
25:43
be episode three but there's one uh there's one
25:45
where she's like on stage and she just has like
25:48
this fractal mirror, like background behind her.
25:51
And I'm just so enamored with a time where you
25:57
experienced music live. Cause that's the old,
25:59
that would be the only way to experience it.
26:01
You would just go see a singer on a nightly basis.
26:05
Cause that's what entertainment was. And now
26:08
the kids have their hippity hop and their EDM
26:11
and it's just loud. And I hate it. I'm old. yeah
26:17
uh okay so then she she has her sort of like
26:20
enforcer protector lover flint marco who's there
26:25
and he kind of strong arms ben out of the the
26:29
nightclub we get that great shot of him uh following
26:33
yeah ben later oh my god the alley shots were
26:37
just these long cast shadows and yeah and flint's
26:40
in that white suit so he just stark contrast
26:42
it's like spy versus spy almost ben is just utilizing
26:46
like street urchins and street youths to like
26:49
be his like his um his eyes and ears around the
26:52
streets that little kid's great i love that kid
26:55
oh fucking uh the first scene uh where we introduced
26:58
the kid where he's like selling newspapers and
27:00
ben walks up to him hands the kid a coin and
27:04
then the kid goes into the paybook the payphone
27:06
drops his own coin in the payphone and like fishes
27:10
it out with the hell yeah yeah he's got like
27:13
a quarter on a string and it just costs a nickel
27:16
for that yeah and i'm like fucking amazing that
27:19
kid's like that kid's going places absolutely
27:21
he's a little pickpocket uh again spy yeah yeah
27:27
an actor as we see in like episode three or four
27:30
when ben is like yeah so when ben's leaving the
27:33
club um he goes to like put some money in the
27:36
kids uh kids cup and he's like is there a guy
27:39
following me white suit And yeah, the kid's like,
27:42
yeah. Yeah, do I have a white tail? Yeah, it's
27:46
good. So then Flint confronts him up on the top
27:51
of a construction tower or something, which weird
27:54
choice. But I mean, if you're the spider, if
27:56
you're Spider -Man, yeah, it's the perfect choice.
27:58
Yeah. So Flint, very strong, starts punching
28:04
the shit out of Ben. And then Ben clocks him
28:08
with a piece of wood. Yeah. knocks him down okay
28:11
what not just clock some of the piece of wood
28:13
this was amazing like going back to the looney
28:15
tunes of it all like ben is getting like beat
28:17
up um gets thrown off the building webs his way
28:20
back on so we actually see him like old spider
28:23
out um but is like on his back goes to grab a
28:27
crowbar marco steps on the hand with the crowbar
28:31
and then ben gives him a sly wink and then cracks
28:33
him with a piece of wood in his other hand Yeah,
28:36
it's a quit watching the mouth. Watch the hands.
28:39
Yeah. I love how bad he is at landing. anytime
28:45
he webs somewhere he's pretty bad he just kind
28:47
of flops into it's like he like an old man he's
28:51
like oh my back i mean he's six he's in his six
28:54
like nick cage is in his 60s nick's yeah nick
28:57
cage is 62 so like it does make sense and if
29:00
they're playing him as like you know he's in
29:02
his 50s or something like that and he's been
29:04
retired for five years right stop we need to
29:08
stop like putting we need we need to stop putting
29:10
uh 30 something year old 20 and 30 something
29:14
year old woman with nick cage as a potential
29:16
love interest yeah i mean it's hard to tell like
29:20
white people age so poorly so cat hardy could
29:23
be in her 40s and looks you know significantly
29:27
better but when we talk about when we talk about
29:30
three and four i do want to touch on that um
29:32
but i'm just thinking like whenever we have a
29:34
flashback with him and and uh with his fiance
29:37
with ruby and it's just like they're dancing
29:40
i'm like she's holding up that old man yeah it
29:43
does look like you're dancing with your dad you
29:45
know yeah they were different times sean yeah
29:49
simpler times simpler times also it was the 1920s
29:53
that man is that man is a hard 40. it's a good
29:58
point yeah i mean like you think about inside
29:59
smoking rampant drinking plus being the spider
30:04
yeah yeah also they do not shy away from smoking
30:07
in the show everybody fucking smokes everybody
30:09
smokes yeah a lot of smoking even like the kids
30:13
smoke so much oh yeah yeah so we missed we missed
30:16
one sort of like main beat that ties it all to
30:19
silvermane so Silvermane, this like mobster of
30:22
New York, right? He's an enemy of the mayor.
30:25
He's just like the guy who's kind of run rampant
30:28
since the spider has retired. He his mansion
30:32
got burned down by somebody with weird powers,
30:34
it seems. And Ben early in this is paid to track
30:40
this guy down. He sees him light himself on fire.
30:43
Another detective shoots the guy to death. Things
30:46
are hinky about the entire thing. But now Silvermane's
30:49
all like wise to the fact that there are supers.
30:52
I think he wants to, you know, manipulate that
30:54
as much as possible. He wants one of his own.
30:56
Yeah, he wants one of his own. And the other
30:59
detective gets killed by Silvermane because he
31:01
doesn't have enough info. And Silvermane wants
31:03
Ben Reilly as his next target to get more information
31:06
on who's putting the hit out on him. Because
31:08
that's kind of the big subtext of the first two,
31:11
three episodes is why is someone trying to kill
31:14
Silvermane and who is it? Yeah. Who's the double
31:17
cross? Who's the snitch? Who's everything? So
31:20
episode one ends with Cat Hardy hiring Ben to
31:24
find Flint Marco because he has vanished. Yeah.
31:28
Flint's on the lam. Yeah. And we go rapidly into
31:32
episode two. Yeah. What happens in episode two?
31:35
It kind of begins the reveal that Flint and Addison,
31:40
the flame guy, now dead, were. part of a world
31:48
war one yes world war one troop yeah that were
31:54
pows at some point in the war and something is
31:58
weird about that yeah but we don't know why yet
32:01
yeah two guys powery same uh same pow camp in
32:07
this episode uh robbie goes to a hooverville
32:11
to find um marco or to like find addison's wife
32:18
yeah uh and then meets another super um who is
32:23
another black man and we find out that they wouldn't
32:27
have been in the same company at that time because
32:29
the companies were still segregated which is
32:31
how they figure out that they were in a pow camp
32:33
together that's right that's right yeah so he
32:35
meets lonnie um who has weird bumpy face yeah
32:41
yep uh So I don't know a lot of like deep Spider
32:46
-Man character. So I'm trying to figure this
32:49
out. Who is Lonnie supposed to be? He's Tombstone.
32:52
I don't know anything about Tombstone. OK, so
32:56
that's what I thought. Because Tombstone in the
32:57
Spider -Verse is like a Frankenstein monster.
33:00
Well, so Tombstone is like he's a concrete man.
33:02
He's a stone man. He's like the thing. So when
33:04
he had kind of the weird like shitness, like
33:09
kind of like insectoid, like. plates i'm just
33:14
like is he supposed to be scorpion no yeah it
33:17
looks more like carapace in terms sometimes than
33:20
uh others it's not my favorite of the designs
33:23
for sure yeah it is definitely lazier is a word
33:28
yes in terms of like but also i guess you can't
33:31
do a big gray stone man in black and white yeah
33:35
you have to you've already got sand man so yeah
33:38
exima boy exima boy Oh, yeah. So, you know, this
33:44
episode, I think, is what you touched on earlier.
33:46
It features Robbie a little bit more. We see
33:48
him eat a ketchup sandwich, which is like so
33:50
depressing. But it is the depression. I do love
33:53
the number of times we see Nicolas Cage eat a
33:56
hot dog. I do not like the way he eats the hot
33:58
dog later, like in the later episodes. Just basically
34:03
like. pulling the bun apart to just get wiener
34:08
it's like not eating the bun just like get that
34:11
out of here just straight into it it's like god
34:14
that's disturbing yeah it's not the best but
34:18
i mean that bread might be terrible everybody
34:21
knows depression bread was bad that's true that's
34:25
very true i don't think that is true i don't
34:28
know if anybody's ever criticized bread during
34:30
the depression let's assume um okay i felt smart
34:37
for a minute i was like oh i nailed it oh so
34:38
we also learned that robbie is been black maybe
34:43
blacklisted from yeah the bugle um he gets a
34:47
line on super superpowered people and he's trying
34:51
to like desperately get talk to the editor -in
34:56
-chief of the bugle yeah well he's really trying
34:59
to sell this uh silver main story that he's been
35:02
working on yeah but he's just that's what he's
35:04
been pushing he's begging for work at this point
35:06
um and not really getting any response and when
35:12
he finally does it he's kind of just thrown under
35:15
the bus and his name is used to like write that's
35:20
like three or four that's the end that happens
35:23
at the end of this episode yeah at the end of
35:25
two yeah i think so yeah that's when like it
35:28
comes out that he's just like i didn't write
35:29
this no no maybe you're right maybe that's later
35:32
yeah that's not too um but yeah so he he goes
35:36
to this hotel because he finds out that uh from
35:39
lani he finds out that addison fireboy uh his
35:43
wife is a piece of shit and whenever she comes
35:46
into money she goes and spends it rapidly by
35:49
living a high society life and then immediately
35:53
comes back as soon as comes back to the gutter
35:55
yeah yeah so he goes and confronts her does a
35:59
good job getting into her apartment you know
36:01
because she's playing the race card and he manages
36:05
to outsmart her yeah um and then uno reverses
36:09
that shit yes he does he does for real so what
36:13
does he end up learning from her i can't remember
36:14
exactly so she They know that Addison was hired
36:19
to try and kill Silvermane. Is that all they
36:22
get from that? I can't think of anything else.
36:26
Yeah. So anyway, I mean, what ends up happening
36:29
next is Silvermane is still trying to get a hold
36:33
of Ben Reilly. So he goes and has his goons rough
36:37
up Janet and the office. They smash a bunch of
36:40
shit. They trash the joint. that's it for janet
36:44
she's like fuck this i'm out of here yeah i don't
36:47
want to die not coming back yeah well they do
36:50
get ben earlier but he gets away and they come
36:55
back looking for him yeah because they've got
36:58
him in the car and he's all i love those brothers
37:00
or whatever god yeah it's one with the toaster
37:04
i'm doing tai chi yeah they show up in his apartment
37:08
pull guns at me like does like the cross -armed
37:10
like web pose but realizes like he doesn't want
37:13
to give up the ghost so he's like i'm doing tai
37:14
chi it's good for the circulation um uh but throws
37:19
a toaster at one of the guy's faces breaking
37:21
his nose and then the other brother is in the
37:24
back seat of the car while the one of the broken
37:26
nose is driving and nick cage goes sorry about
37:28
your nose like that was him he's like no and
37:32
he like socks the door rolls out the door i do
37:36
like that shot of him hanging onto the underside
37:38
of the bridge just with one hand yeah just kind
37:40
of dangling dangling um okay so yeah he's gotten
37:44
away from them they trash the joint we get introduced
37:48
to like silvermane proper at this point and we
37:52
kind of find out the crux of his story is silvermane's
37:55
aging he's getting older and he assumes that
38:00
there's someone gunning for him because people
38:02
are coming for the King. Yeah. And he's, you
38:04
know, trying to prove that he's not too old to
38:07
like run the show. Um, and his right hand man
38:11
is like, you know, you got to stay hidden. And
38:13
he's like, no, cause he's like, nah, if I, you
38:16
know, like if I hide that just shows weakness.
38:19
Um, so, but what is it that gets silver main
38:23
to like actually let the guy go and like scope
38:27
out before him? Like something happened. Yeah,
38:30
there was some sort of trigger to it. And I don't
38:32
remember exactly what it was because he doesn't
38:34
want to show the weakness. But yeah, he's got
38:36
his right hand man, Winston. And I don't know.
38:39
I was thinking maybe that it was Silvermane trying
38:41
to test Winston a little bit. But I think you're
38:44
right. I think something spooked him. So he sends
38:47
Winston in. Also, holy fuck, that guy, the actor,
38:50
Lucas Haas, I hate his face so fucking much.
38:53
He's got a real rat face. He's got a real rat
38:55
face. And he just like, he looks like one of
38:57
those guys who's super into close -up magic.
38:59
And I'm like, oh, fuck off. You suck, man. But
39:04
yeah, so then he ends up, Silvermane's going
39:06
to go check out this shipment of Canadian booze.
39:09
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Prohibition's still a thing.
39:13
Prohibition's still a thing. So Nick Cage decides
39:16
that he's like, fuck it. It's time to be the
39:17
spider again. Oh, got to talk about the scene
39:20
where he gets his spider shit back. Oh, yeah.
39:22
Oh, yeah. Nick Cage putting on that character
39:26
work. He he hid his costume and everything in
39:30
the wall of his old apartment and then just like
39:33
left back like five years ago. Love the flashback
39:37
when he does that, because like he just literally
39:40
like hammers out and tears out a wall and then
39:43
like. the scene of him like putting the wall
39:45
back together is him just like taking this chunk
39:48
of like wood and just kind of like balancing
39:51
it back into the wall like that i don't know
39:54
laughing plaster is pretty weird shit man yeah
39:56
just tuck it back it's fine yeah it's probably
40:00
good uh but then to get his stuff back he goes
40:03
in and takes a bunch of takes a toolbox and uh
40:06
mop from the maintenance office and just like
40:09
pretends to be the maintenance guy going in uh
40:13
fixing a leak in a toilet i love that couple
40:17
that couple's great they show up a few times
40:19
yeah they show up later too um which i like that
40:22
feels very comic booky to me it's like these
40:25
people just keep kind of over you know connecting
40:26
paths i like at one point they're like is everything
40:30
okay in there and he's like i'm having an existential
40:32
crisis having a bit of an existential crisis
40:35
here about my toilet great line great line there
40:41
are like there's one scene where we he had the
40:46
other detective like tail silvermane's guy winston
40:50
back to silvermane's apartment and then it just
40:53
hard cuts to like ben reilly like under the floor
40:56
listening showing up underneath the building
40:57
yeah i'm just like why did you have the other
41:00
guy track them if you already knew there's a
41:03
few like weird cuts where ben just shows up and
41:06
i'm like that's I don't know. His spider sense
41:08
was tingling. Oh, also the spider sense thing.
41:11
It's just like it's not necessarily just danger,
41:13
just when weird shit's happening. And it seems
41:15
really inconvenient. Yeah. Yeah. OK, so anyway,
41:20
Silvermane is on the way to go check out his
41:22
Canadian whiskey or whatever and gets intercepted.
41:26
His like three convoy convoy three car convoy
41:29
gets intercepted by the spider who does a good
41:32
job dispatching those motherfuckers. Yeah, that's
41:34
a pretty fun little fight. he still lands poorly
41:37
a couple times yep so this is where i want to
41:42
talk about it here but more after episode four
41:44
is just like so we have the ropey cgi um but
41:49
we also have like these great scenes of like
41:51
cool we can't afford to like do a lot of special
41:54
effects so we're going to do a lot of practical
41:56
spider -man work and i really like it like after
41:59
20 years of like rubbery to more convincing like
42:05
spider antics like we finally have to rely on
42:08
like stunt people and like proper like old school
42:11
filmmaking and i'm really digging it yeah well
42:15
and i mean like the early 2000s spider -man stuff
42:18
like you know he he actually seemed like sort
42:22
of normal you know he's superpowered but like
42:24
he seemed kind of normal the the newer ones he's
42:28
like got stark powered suits and that kind of
42:31
shit it's just it's very different this feels
42:33
like a guy who can just like take a beating and
42:37
can shoot fucking webs yeah you know also no
42:40
compunction about people dying he like that first
42:43
like scene he's just fucking using people as
42:48
uh human shields um i love the thing where the
42:52
guy shoots through the roof and he's on the ceiling
42:54
so he shoots his web through the hole to like
42:57
careen the car into a wall yeah it's tight as
43:00
hell yeah but that fight is pretty good it is
43:04
it's a lot of fun yeah and so then he confronts
43:06
silvermane it's basically i'm back stop fucking
43:09
with ben reilly my my good friend who i sound
43:12
exactly like he's got a voice changer yeah it's
43:15
not that bugs me because like it seems like there
43:18
seems like a digital like voice change going
43:21
on i'm like that's not real yeah i mean there's
43:24
gotta be or anything like that no but it's also
43:33
it's so much harder to understand him when he's
43:35
using it yeah it is it's worse for sure so then
43:39
it ends you know he goes back to the the office
43:42
and he's like oh i you know i did a good thing
43:44
i saved the day um and finds out that this was
43:47
all like a big sting to try and capture silvermane
43:51
but because he fucked up his convoy silvermane
43:55
never showed up they never bust him silvermane
43:58
is still on the loose yeah end of episode two
44:03
yeah uh no it's a great i'm really enjoying it
44:07
so far i think uh episode one and two was a really
44:09
good way to dip into it i watched those with
44:11
rachel as standalone and then i watched uh three
44:14
and four by myself uh the next day so i i think
44:18
it's it's nicely weaving multiple storylines
44:22
together there's the intrigues there's all these
44:24
things who's crisscross double crossing it's
44:27
paced very well you know i think the detective
44:30
aspects of it are all real fun yeah i think it's
44:33
pretty well put together it's well done um it
44:35
it's nice seeing them kind of like piece together
44:40
this mystery yeah uh throughout and like from
44:43
different angles like you know the the information
44:46
that donagal gets in the beginning the stuff
44:48
that robbie gets like yeah and how like uh ben
44:52
and robbie kind of work together through information
44:55
sharing and you know they've both got their own
44:58
end goals but they're uh they're getting through
45:01
it together that's fun yeah and janet janet bringing
45:05
that sandwich to the cops to get the information
45:08
on marco is that episode three uh one is that
45:12
episode one yeah i think so maybe it's two one
45:14
or two it's one or two oh man and they're all
45:18
like episode they're basically like everybody
45:21
just like floating around past the sandwich oh
45:25
just that's it because i'm playing a lego batman
45:28
legacy of the dark knight uh that made me think
45:30
of this thing because all the cops in gotham
45:33
are corrupt so the way falcone and the penguin
45:36
are bribing the cops is just with donuts amazing
45:39
so i'm playing that and watching the show at
45:41
the same time so it gave me just like nah cops
45:44
are fat yeah well highly recommend go watch spider
45:49
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