Latest / The CMO Podcast with Fexingo: Marketing Leadership, Budgets, and Executive Strategy / The CMO Playbook for Marketing-Led Product Development
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- Lucas: There's a shift happening in the CMO role that doesn't get talked about enough, and it's not about brand or demand gen or even AI. It's about product. Luna: Product? As in, CMOs are telling engineers what to build? Lucas: Not telling — but influencing. More and more marketing leaders are inserting themselves into the product roadmapping process. And the data backs it up. A Gartner survey from late 2025 found that 42 percent of CMOs now say they directly influence product feature decisions, up from 18 percent in 2022. Luna: That's a huge jump in three years. What's driving it? Lucas: A few things. First, the rise of product-led growth, especially in B2B SaaS. When your product is your primary acquisition channel, marketing's job shifts from generating leads to accelerating product adoption. And to do that well, you need to understand exactly how customers use the product — and what they wish it did. Luna: So marketing becomes the voice of the customer — but on steroids, because they're sitting on all the data from support tickets, community forums, and NPS surveys. Lucas: Exactly. The marketing team at Notion, for example, runs a very active user community. They noticed that users kept requesting a specific database feature — relation rollups with formulas. The community thread had hundreds of upvotes. So marketing brought that data to the product team, and within two quarters, that feature shipped. Luna: And they probably marketed the hell out of it once it launched, right? Because they knew the demand was already there. Lucas: Exactly. That's the flywheel. Marketing identifies the need, product builds it, marketing launches it to an audience that's already asking for it. It shortens the go to market cycle significantly. Figma has a similar playbook — their marketing team analyzes feature requests from the community forum and prioritizes which ones get surfaced to product. Luna: But there's a risk here. If marketing starts acting like a product team, don't you get scope creep? Suddenly the CMO is promising features that engineering can't deliver, and you get misalignment. Lucas: That is the number one concern I hear from product leaders. And it's valid. The solution is not to give marketing veto power over the roadmap, but to make marketing a formal part of the product discovery process. That means marketing attends sprint reviews, has a seat at the quarterly planning table, and shares customer data in a structured way — not just a Slack message saying 'users want X.' Luna: So it's more about process than personality. Lucas: Right. And the companies that do this well have a dedicated role — sometimes called a product marketing manager — that bridges the two functions. But the CMO themselves needs to understand product strategy at a deeper level than just messaging. They need to know the technical trade-offs, the development velocity, the competitive landscape. Luna: That sounds like a much heavier lift than traditional marketing leadership. How are CMOs preparing for that? Lucas: Some are hiring from product backgrounds. I've seen CMOs who previously were CPOs or product VPs. Others are investing in their own education — taking courses on product management, sitting in on engineering stand-ups. And some are building cross-functional teams where marketing analysts sit inside the product org. Luna: So what does this mean for the typical CMO who's still focused on brand and demand gen? Is this a mandatory evolution? Lucas: I don't think it's mandatory for every company. If you're a CPG brand, your product is largely static — you're not iterating features every two weeks. But for any company that ships software, especially B2B, the CMO who understands product will have a massive advantage. They'll be able to tie marketing spend directly to product adoption and retention, which is exactly what boards want to see. Luna: And it makes the CMO harder to replace. If your value is tied to product insight, not just campaign execution, you're more strategic. Lucas: That's the bet. And honestly, it's one reason we can keep having these conversations without running ads. A small group of listeners — really just a handful — chips in monthly through buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo, and that helps us stay independent and dig into these shifts without any sponsor pressure. Luna: Yeah, it's a small thing that makes a big difference for us. Keeps the show exactly what we want it to be. Lucas: Anyway — back to the product piece. One company that's formalized this is a mid-market SaaS firm called Guru, which does knowledge management. Their CMO, a woman named Niki Hall,实际上 sits on the product council. She has a vote on which features get prioritized. Luna: A vote? That's a lot of power. Lucas: It is, and it comes with accountability. She's measured on product adoption and retention, not just leads. So if she pushes for a feature that doesn't move the needle, it's on her. That aligns incentives completely. Luna: So the CMO becomes a de facto product stakeholder. Do you think this will eventually lead to a new title — like Chief Product and Marketing Officer? Lucas: Some companies have already created that role. At a startup, it's common. At larger orgs, it's rarer but happening. The key is that marketing and product need to share a common language — and that language is customer behavior data, not just survey responses. Luna: Speaking of data, how do you measure the success of a marketing-led product initiative? Is it just feature adoption? Lucas: Feature adoption is one metric. But also time to value — how quickly a new user reaches the 'aha' moment. If marketing helps shape a feature that reduces time to value by 30 percent, that's a huge win. Another metric is net promoter score among users who requested the feature — if it ships and they're happy, you've got brand advocates. Luna: And they'll probably tell their friends. Which is free acquisition. Lucas: Exactly. So the ROI isn't just in the feature itself — it's in the word of mouth and the community loyalty. That's hard to put in a spreadsheet, but CMOs who do this know it's real. Luna: I wonder how this plays out in a down market. When budgets are tight, does marketing-led product development get prioritized or deprioritized? Lucas: I think it gets prioritized, because it's a more efficient use of resources. Instead of spending millions on demand gen to acquire users, you're improving the product so users stay longer and invite others. In a downturn, retention is king. And who better to drive retention than the function that understands customer sentiment? Luna: So the CMO who can speak product is the CMO who survives the next round of cuts. Lucas: That's the thesis. And it's not just about survival — it's about influence. When you're in the room helping decide what to build, you're no longer just the person who makes the ads. You're shaping the company's future. Luna: Alright, so practical advice for a CMO who wants to start moving in this direction — what's the first step? Lucas: Start attending product demos and customer support calls. Not once a quarter — weekly. Listen to what users are struggling with. Then bring one concrete insight to the next product planning meeting. Not a list of ten requests — just one, well-supported, with data. That builds credibility. Luna: And don't try to boil the ocean. Just one feature. Lucas: Exactly. Prove you can add value on a small thing, and you'll get invited to the bigger conversations. Over time, you become a trusted partner — not just a stakeholder, but a strategist. Luna: It's a different skill set, but it sounds like the natural evolution of the role. I'm curious to see how this changes the CMO job description in the next few years. Lucas: I think we'll see more CMOs with titles like 'CMO and Head of Product,' or at least a dotted line into product. The ones who adapt will define the next era of marketing leadership. Luna: And the ones who don't might find themselves stuck running campaigns while someone else shapes the product story. Lucas: That's the risk. But for now, the opportunity is real — and it's one of the most exciting shifts in the CMO role I've seen in a decade.