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Legends Championship Preview, FloElite & Paywalls, & CRASH Crescendo · The Spin Podcast

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  Welcome to the Barbell Spin 7:30 Wednesday nights we are.
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  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Well, I guess I have to be in
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  spin spot. You do, but you're blurry is
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  all. Get out.
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  Man. Your screen is bad.
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  You're like going delay delay. No, I.
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  Can't. I can't see you at all.
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  This can't happen. Why don't you, why don't you go
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  out and come back in? Because you have to be OK on,
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  you have to be good because you're running the show, all
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  right? And we're not going to talk
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  about 15 different systems because John is here.
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  I know. I told him.
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  I was like, don't let me go down.
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  Don't let me go down any rabbit hole.
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  We talk about the competitions. Yeah, we're just talking.
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  About a hard time guys. So Spin.
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  Spin had an emergency. Everything is fine but he needed
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  to handle it so he won't be here today.
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  So we invited, he invited Mr. Wood here.
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  We'll come figure out what we want to call him when Tyler gets
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  back. But he's going to be our guest
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  for the show. We're going to try not to keep
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  you as long as we normally do. But yeah, we're going to talk
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  legends and filled with a lot of semi finals level people.
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  John probably knows these people better than I do, so we we
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  thought he would be a good a good guess to have better,
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  worse. Yeah, honestly, I'm probably
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  going to. Last time I did this, I did this
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  with CJ on WAD prep. Yeah, you look good.
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  I did this with CJ on WAD prep and it was about like the Rogue
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  Invitational and honestly like dude, I'm going to say some
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  stupid things about like what's on the plan.
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  These are the people you go against, you know what I'm
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  saying? Like top, top of the top.
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  I'm not going to. I'm going to say I know more
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  than everybody. But like semi finals people, you
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  know, you can catch me slacking. That's all I'm saying.
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  Mostly Europeans, though, not Americans.
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  Yeah, not, not my, I don't know. I'm, I'm going to say some
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  things that I'll regret about the competition, but that's OK.
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  I'm OK. It looks a little stupid.
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  You're good. Most people don't have the balls
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  to talk about anything so. Did you welcome John to the
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  show? Wood did.
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  You. Yeah, no, I explained the
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  situation now guys we don't know what to call him because I'm
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  John. We don't want 2 Johns and I
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  don't want to just say wood 37 times so.
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  I'm cool with you guys. I'm cool with wood.
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  I'd be cool with wood too. Whatever you guys.
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  So go ahead, put out what we should call Mr. Wood and we're
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  going to call him that for the rest of.
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  The show, Mr. Wood, I like that it's distinguished.
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  Makes me think of that movie. Did you ever watch Mr. Woodcock?
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  No, no, dude. It's an it's so funny, dude.
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  It's it's hilarious. You should, you should.
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  It's Sean Williams, Scott, all right.
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  His mom marries his PE teacher that used to bully him.
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  It's it's an amazing movie. How do I see?
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  Comments. I can't see comments in my.
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  Face. Aren't you on your phone?
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  That's fine. Oh.
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  Yes, you can do these comments. That's good.
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  We're good. We'll pull them.
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  I'll pull up the good ones. All right, Don.
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  Yeah, pull up the good. Ones we need to start it off
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  good. Let's go back to our most recent
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  show. We won't do the I.
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  Can't hear him? You can't hear me.
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  I got you. Yeah, I hear you.
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  Fine. Tyler.
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  This might be a you problem. God Dang it.
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  I hear you fine. Tyler, OK.
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  All right, I'm going to. I'm going.
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  To read John, go back out and go back in.
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  When we while he. Figures that out.
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  We're going to read some comments from last week from at
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  Cody Huber 55. After watching the the game, I
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  can truly determine John is thoroughly on the spectrum.
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  Impressive nonetheless. Well.
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  Thank you. I yeah, I agree.
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  You made that. We had to talk about it after
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  the show. You made that look way too easy.
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  I hope we do it again. I hope it's a a thing that we
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  can do. I want spin to make it
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  difficult. You know what I'm saying?
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  Because this isn't like there are only so many countries in
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  the world like I want. I want him to make it make it
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  difficult. You know what I'm saying?
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  Yeah. Do you have?
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  Do you have now, John? We're good now.
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  Cool. Sweet.
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  We're going to rock with Mr. Wood.
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  I like that The wooden Meister. I like Mr. Wood, though.
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  Go ahead, Tyler. Joe and Bob are the issue with
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  legends. Always has been.
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  Need to find someone else to run things before deciding if it's a
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  failure. I agree that they are the issue
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  at Legends, but we can get into that later.
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  Yeah, good. That's good.
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  Any thoughts on that would Mr. Wood?
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  Dude, I I I no, no, nothing. I can't say anything good about
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  that. This is a this is a safe space,
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  man. OK, we we like to say negative
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  just as much as positive feel. Like we're probably I will
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  happily say something negative. I just, I just can't.
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  When the time's right. Kathy Stan 3 or 4379.
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  There is no way in a million years Jay superimposed a clock
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  on his video. He's calling into question his
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  integrity and it's disgraceful that he hasn't offered up an
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  apology. Dave will never apologize for
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  anything. I don't think that's true.
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  You're right, he apologized with the whole Lazar thing.
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  That's what it takes. I don't think he's to blame for
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  that, but but he did apologize for that.
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  I don't think somebody dying, I don't think he's ever going to
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  apologize for something. No, he's not.
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  He's not. I mean, we from what we know is
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  that it didn't happen and we're just going off of what we're
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  just going off of Dave's word and H QS word, right, right.
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  And. And he's going off of somebody
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  else's word because he didn't see it, I'd guess.
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  This is just a giant, Yeah. We don't know.
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  We don't know. I was honestly starting to lean
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  into believing them. And then when he went on Sevons
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  and he said I haven't seen the videos, I was like, OK, like we
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  we have no idea. Like we can't confirm.
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  And I'm sure he trusts his team. But like at the same time, like
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  there's no way I'm saying that out loud.
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  Anyway, leave your comments. The comments were a bit like
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  this week, but I think a lot of them went because of mayhem
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  dispersed through that so. Yeah, I mean, it was on
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  Saturday. It was a Saturday show.
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  No, we you could have read last Wednesday.
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  Show I did read last Wednesday show, but I think they they
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  didn't accrue the way they usually do.
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  So leave your comments. We can't be getting dry down
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  there. Say something about Mr. Wood,
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  good or bad. Oh, I got I, I got a lot of
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  fuel. People should have a lot of
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  comments coming up. They do in my comment section
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  and in my DMS. You like to say but that's that's I think people
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  are sending them your way. I don't know if you'll have you
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  have any like just unbiased. This is their opinion on you.
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  No, I got people calling me stupid and no, no.
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  Like, no, I'm saying I think those people are being sent to
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  you. Oh, maybe.
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  You see what I'm saying? I don't think.
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  I don't think you have people that just stumbled on what you
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  said and then have an opinion in your comments.
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  That's what I'm saying that that's what I'm saying you.
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  Win. Good and bad, good and bad.
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  I'm not even like, just like I'm not talking about anything
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  specifically, but I think, you know, some channels are for you
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  and some are against you and I think everybody's just being
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  sent your way. It's all right, It's all right.
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  You went. From zero to really kind of
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  provocative content in a real quick timeline.
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  Maybe you start up if you ask me.
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  Yeah, Have you just been sitting on this for years?
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  How? How long?
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  How long have you? Been around?
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  I've been doing cross. I've been when I started
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  crossing, my goal was to make the games and that was in 2015.
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  And I've been I've been sitting on dude, the juiciest stuff has
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  not come out yet. Just dude, it's common.
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  The juiciest. Oh yeah, dude, it's common.
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  Hasn't been set on Hiller. It's common.
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  And I dude, I've been sitting on this stuff for and what and what
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  a while eat. More carbs.
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  Bro why Like what topics or why I've been sitting on it.
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  Why? What topics?
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  Don't, don't, don't hit it on the head.
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  I mean, it's just, it's, it's the, what's what I, the video I
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  posted today is what's the mission of CrossFit?
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  I have people arguing with me on the mission of CrossFit is, and
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  it's just like, and there's no clear answer.
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  It's like, OK, what, what are we doing?
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  What, what is, what is this whole system?
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  And no one can like say it clearly.
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  And then I provide something and people are like, no, you're
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  wrong. And it's just like, OK, then
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  what are we doing? What is this?
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  You're fine. You're like, you're not even,
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  you're OK with being wrong. You just want to hear it at this
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  point. And I have been wrong.
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  Like my my description for the representation of the phosphogen
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  system not being tested was was grossly inaccurate.
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  Mr. Mr. Mr. Wood, you got you have 3 phosphagen systems in
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  this show, OK, You've just. Used one of them.
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  You have you got. Two more and then it's a it's
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  we're cut, we're cut from the phosphagen.
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  System. OK, I I'm letting you know that
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  we got two more. Use them wisely.
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  We got workouts to go. That was it.
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  You're going to want to use them in the workouts.
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  I know I. I want you to know I appreciate
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  it. I appreciated your deep dives
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  into that stuff, but I was like, this is going to be really hard
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  for people to to listen to like like you're.
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  Well, you're talking about the nerd.
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  The people that would like like it love it.
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  Like the nerd outerness of it. Those people love it.
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  Your general viewer. It's gonna go over.
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  There, like, here you go. OK, short short, end of the
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  story. I was not as familiar as I
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  should have been with W Prime and Critical Power.
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  That's what it is, and I was enlightened from other coaches
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  and I was My argument for not testing the phosphogen system
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  was impressively. One man you're killing.
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  Me. I'm not going to.
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  I don't. Need to say it this is the only.
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  Time to cover in this whole video we're going to talk about.
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  Taylor lasted 2 minutes on The Tonight Show.
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  Submit it longer than he usually lasts.
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  Oh God, yeah, I, it was good. You talking about the cow DEET
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  stuff? I read cow deets.
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  I have, I have triphasic training.
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  When you're talking about that, you know, the energy pathway
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  stuff. It was all great.
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  I was just like, man, it's going to be it.
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  It felt like there was a section of it.
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  I was like this feels like a TTT podcast, like one of the old
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  ones with a. Little bit, yeah.
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  Yeah, I can see that a little. Bit oh, what was that guy's
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  name? I never can remember his name
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  but but that guy, no. No, they're nerd.
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  They had a nerd. Evan Evan.
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  Evan Pycon. Pycon, Yeah.
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  Yeah, he's good. He knows what he's talking.
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  About anyway, we want to kind of recap what happened last week.
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  Mayhem happened last week. How do we feel about it?
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  Let's start off with the most epic event.
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  Epic event. Which Why was it epic?
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  Why was it epic? Gwyneth.
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  Yeah. Why?
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  Why was it so epic? Because it made elite athletes
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  look normal. It made athletes go to failure.
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  It made them go to failure. That's why it was epic.
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  And this is the thing so many people are arguing with me about
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  me talking about single modality testing, right?
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  Max effort Sprint, Max effort jump something.
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  And that was AI would argue single modality test.
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  That was an injury, right? No.
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  It's a single modality for sure. Yeah, yeah.
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  One thing, one thing was tested and it forced athletes to go to
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  utter failure and it was epic to watch.
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  Who, who we all know, I think what's epic and, and I probably
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  care about this more than most people did this.
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  What I'm about to say is that we all know Olivia Curseder and
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  Jeff Adler are the best barbell cyclers in CrossFit.
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  We know that they've won repeatedly over and over and
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  over. You book it, it's 100 points for
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  them. Neither one of them won because
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  there's a risk factor of do I want to go for it and risk this
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  freaking Callum Clements, who if you aren't into CrossFit, would
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  have no idea who that dude is right 11 the and beat Jeff
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  Adler. Like that's like because of the
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  workout. If this is 36 cleaning jerks per
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  time at 185, Jeff wins going away.
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  Olivia wins going away. Paige Rogers was second for the
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  women, and I don't think anybody would have caught that unless
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  you're Angelo De. Chico.
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  Right, and he just knows. He just knows what she's going
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  to do with it, right? And I honestly think that if
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  Olivia was in the same lane, if Jeff was in the same lane, I
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  don't think they push it. Olivia looked like she was
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  hurting. She was pausing at the top,
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  right. She wasn't going like at the end
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  of her reps at the end of her nine.
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  I'm saying because they were in different heats.
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  Callum was different. He Olivia was in a different
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  heat than the winners. If they put if you put them in
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  the same heat. I still don't think they're
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  racing that I really don't. Jeff looked like he was hurting
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  because going unbroken tested. Test a different system.
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  Yeah, yeah. Test a different system in a
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  different way, a different stimulus than just 36 cleaning
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  drugs per time. It's absolutely a different
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  stimulus and everyone in my DMS would claim that that is too
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  specialized of a test and I completely disagree.
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  That's what people tell me. Single modality testing, people
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  love to tell me, is too specialized.
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  Too special you have. You have to get heavy grace.
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  Is it too specialized? It's I think that's the exact
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  same thing, it's just tested in a different way.
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  Here's a good, here's a good, like you can be just a really
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  fit, strong dude, walk off the street and do that event.
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  Like you don't actually technically have to move that.
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  Well, Like when I think of specificity, right, I think
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  like, like if you're going to do a bunch of cleaning jerks at
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  like 3-15, you have to be technically good at the cleaning
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  jerk, right? But at 185 you don't have to be
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  good at shit. Yeah, I mean.
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  You got to be, you got to be overly strong to to.
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  Yeah, you got to. Yeah.
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  But like there's, I mean like, it'd be interesting to see.
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  But there are great people that would flourish at Gwynn just
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  because all they do is touch and go ways with the reckless
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  abandoned and now they can't do anything else but 36 cleaning
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  jerks per time. Jeff beats all.
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  Right, correct me if I'm wrong, you guys are the programming
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  guys, not me. I just follow programming.
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  It's equivalent similar to like a three interval bike Sprint.
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  I'm I'm trying to think of the stimulus that you're, you're
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  trying to ask you. Know what I?
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  Mean on the volume that those tests weigh, I mean.
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  Different things. So, OK, so you're the way I
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  think the. Feeling is going to be similar.
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  One, I think it's about. Well, go ahead, John.
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  It would, Mr. Wood. I think it's about blowing,
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  blowing yourself up, right? You do that first set, everyone
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  low key blows up. They're flooded with fatigue,
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  lactate muscles are hot, everything, they're breathing
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  hard. And it's that rest interval.
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  And that rest interval I talk about so much with my athletes
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  is the quick shorter your rest interval is, in theory, like for
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  so many of the tests we have in CrossFit, the better you're
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  gonna be, right? You do a set of chest bar, you
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  come down, you get back up that rest interval.
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  And like here, it was such a mandated resting role 'cause you
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  had to go unbroken. So it pushed athletes to levels
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  of fatigue that just slapped them in the face, and they
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  weren't used to it because we never mandate these kind of
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  breaks. So the levels of fatigue that
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  these athletes have when they're going into workouts, it's super
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  predictable, right? You get a workout on paper and
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  you know exactly the way it's going to feel.
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  You're going to let the, you're going to let the fatigue slowly
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  come to you this way. No, no, no.
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  The fatigue slapped you in the face.
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  And then that second round when you slide the bar forward, then
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  athletes, people are next to them.
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  They're picking up that bar prematurely.
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  They're picking up that bar before they should and they
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  haven't even buffered nearly enough fatigue.
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  So they get slapped in the face again and then people are
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  finishing and then they feel like they have to pick up the
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  barbell and then they start failing.
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  Is it put them in a place that they're not used to because
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  we're so used to these. Like I keep saying, these Taco
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  Bell workouts that are the same no matter what they are is you
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  can just slowly as an athlete, you can just like, you know
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  exactly the way it's going to feel.
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  So you just let the workout come to you.
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  And that's might be to your point, John, is why Jeff Adler
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  didn't win. Is this was a very different
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  stimulus because it just slaps you in the face?
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  And I uniquely practice that stimulus in every workout.
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  Why you just come out hot? I no, I do some stuff, then I
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  sit down for a minute, then I do some stuff and then I sit down
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  for a minute and. Just interval training.
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  Now I'm not even coming out hot man.
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  My my level of fitness gives me that stimulus.
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  They don't, they don't know, they don't know that stimulus.
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  So. What what I was thinking about
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  is so like they mandated how you had to do that workout, right is
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  unbroken, unbroken broken and Castro or Baz, whoever was
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  programming that year is when they tried to do it.
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  The games on the rower, right, They tried to mandate a row
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  pace. The rope was like it was overly
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  soft. It was like OK, why 3:15 for a
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  win? It was like it wasn't like crazy
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  aggressive like they were just like experimenting.
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  I would like why don't they do that more often like.
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  And it's OK. Well, that one.
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  It's OK if you miss. That one in particular was lame
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  because it didn't it didn't add any excitement to the workout.
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  It didn't elicit an aggressive enough response of fatigue to
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  have them reach failure. So for example.
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  What did they say? The random 50 thrusters unbroken
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  with £95. They did say that.
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  No, no. What if if if like the row you
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  do, you do whatever you want to do on the row.
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  But think think, just how would you approach this?
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  I don't know if you do. Whatever you want to do in the
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  row, the thruster has to be unbroken.
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  That's too big of an ask. Like, here's one.
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  Here's a good example of this man.
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  I think I think people can. 50 thrusters, 50 thrusters in a row
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  at £95. That's and there will work out
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  when people can no. No, no, no, no, no the row.
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  Is not that's. What I'm saying the row is not
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  mandated. How slow would people row?
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  But then it's like how fast do you want to row?
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  I wouldn't. I wouldn't mandate it at the
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  beginning. So here's an example.
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  This is what I do. I do this all time in training
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  and this is 1 all these semi final athletes can do.
• 19:11
  You start a workout 30 calories for guys, you might even be able
• 19:15
  to go 35, like 20 to 24 ish for girls.
• 19:19
  Make them Sprint, make them do it under 50 seconds.
• 19:22
  Just make them all out Sprint and if they don't do it, they're
• 19:24
  done. They're not going to the
• 19:25
  workout. So they're going into the
• 19:27
  workout right after a Max effort Sprint and then they're going
• 19:31
  through super high levels of fatigue.
• 19:34
  Why don't we mandate? I think you could absolutely
• 19:37
  mandate things like that in competition that we just, we
• 19:39
  just never do. I don't think.
• 19:40
  About because what you said, John, they're afraid to fail.
• 19:43
  It it need? It would have to be A2 parter
• 19:45
  for that. Like like James Newberry and
• 19:48
  great, then make it a two-part, then make it a two-part score.
• 19:51
  Yeah, like that's 2019 James Newberry when he sent it.
• 19:54
  Like I think you can have workouts like that, like like
• 19:56
  what you just said with 35 callus.
• 19:58
  It's a Sprint for some but like. All your big guys, that's the
• 20:02
  pace they were going to do anyway.
• 20:04
  Like like they would. Not do a bunch of gymnastics.
• 20:08
  It wouldn't change the winner. I really don't think it would.
• 20:10
  Well, let me push back a little bit because I think that there's
• 20:14
  a bit of like intrusiveness on the pace stuff where it's like
• 20:19
  you have to do this pace and it feels manufactured, whereas Gwen
• 20:22
  does not feel that way. It's like you, I mean like you
• 20:26
  have to do it unbroken, but it's.
• 20:27
  That's true. And I don't know if it's because
• 20:29
  the workout was originally written that way so it feels
• 20:32
  less intrusive, but I want stuff that elicits you to have to do
• 20:35
  that. But I don't want like, I don't
• 20:37
  want it to be so explicit. And I don't like, I don't know
• 20:40
  enough about programming to be able to do that all the time,
• 20:42
  but that's what I don't like about.
• 20:46
  The games workout, it's, it's more of you set up workouts
• 20:51
  where it pays to go for it, but just a few people are gonna make
• 20:55
  it right. But then you have to have a
• 20:57
  really good idea of where people are, like what's possible.
• 21:01
  And I don't think Dave has a good idea of what's possible.
• 21:04
  But like the Totobar workout is the same thing.
• 21:06
  Can you make it in three intervals and only like 5 people
• 21:11
  did? That's a beautiful workout,
• 21:14
  right? Like like they like they did it
• 21:16
  multiple times. But I agree with you, Tyler,
• 21:21
  that having a mandated pay like having I like it for one
• 21:25
  workout. I don't think you can do it for
• 21:27
  two workouts now. It's like it's it's.
• 21:30
  But they you make a good point that they kind of did sneak it
• 21:32
  in with the 3334. I didn't Never.
• 21:37
  I never thought about that workout that way.
• 21:39
  Course, but the bench press workouts like that too.
• 21:41
  But then the time cap forces everybody to go for it.
• 21:44
  Well, since we're moving on to other workouts, I don't like the
• 21:47
  final. I, I don't get it.
• 21:50
  Like what does it test? I'm fine with the final.
• 21:53
  It it was, it was. I don't think it it didn't add
• 21:58
  anything like what did we find out about an athlete in that
• 22:03
  workout that really contributes to the Games athletically?
• 22:09
  Athletically. Oh God.
• 22:13
  They're taking bench. Press No, it's it's not an
• 22:17
  athletic workout, though, Tyler. What is it then?
• 22:21
  It's a burn your triceps up way more than you want to and then
• 22:27
  can you lunge after? That I'm looking for the
• 22:29
  workout. It's 50 bench press with 70s for
• 22:34
  the men, 50s for the girls or 30 bench press, 70 for the men, 50
• 22:39
  for the girls. 202 hundred double unders with a slightly
• 22:45
  heavier rope than you're used to.
• 22:47
  It's like a it's not a heavy rope, it's not a speed rope.
• 22:50
  And then 100 foot lunge with both of the dumbbells.
• 22:54
  But the time cap was 4 minutes so only.
• 22:59
  I like it. I.
• 23:00
  Only five women finished and like I would say, half of the
• 23:05
  men finished. But what purpose does it serve?
• 23:09
  It's a race at the end, the workout.
• 23:11
  Yeah, I don't. Think, I mean, that's a big
• 23:12
  time, that's a, in my opinion, that's a big time shoulder
• 23:15
  workout. I mean, you're going to the
• 23:16
  going to the rope after those 30 bench, your shoulders are tired,
• 23:22
  levels of fatigue in your shoulder are higher.
• 23:24
  And then when you start mixing that with a monostructural
• 23:27
  movement like jump rope, the response is going to be much
• 23:29
  higher if the fatigue was higher in your shoulders.
• 23:33
  So he has shoulder endurance. Well, no, I mean doing 200 dubs
• 23:37
  unbroken after 30 bench press, that is no joke.
• 23:40
  With a heavy rope, yeah, your shoulders are lit.
• 23:41
  And if you go into a monostructural movement focused
• 23:45
  on your shoulders, I mean lost shoulders with a heavy rope,
• 23:47
  your heart rate's going to go up way higher, way quicker, because
• 23:50
  there's already fatigue in the working muscles that are trying
• 23:52
  to be performed at a more aerobic setting.
• 23:57
  Like I, I, I think what you're asking, like I could say that
• 24:00
  about any workout. No, you can't say that about the
• 24:04
  5K, but. What did we learn?
• 24:06
  Like you just ran. We know hey, it's faster.
• 24:09
  Like, like that's what you're saying?
• 24:12
  That's not true. Like.
• 24:14
  Is that not what he's saying? No, You're, you're.
• 24:16
  Asking you're what you're meaning to ask is what is it
• 24:19
  testing, right? Yeah.
• 24:22
  I would say a lot of the triceps shoulder.
• 24:24
  Fatigue like like. OK, that's that's a fine.
• 24:26
  That's a fine answer. I'm OK with that.
• 24:29
  Or else. Everybody would have went
• 24:31
  unbroken in the 200 double unders and very few did.
• 24:34
  It feels like a strange place to test, like shoulder capacity,
• 24:38
  like is the final event, but I it's just in a weird place.
• 24:41
  But that that's OK. I just didn't think about it
• 24:44
  like that. So that's fine.
• 24:45
  You're you're helping me learn. Yeah, I mean, it was shoulder to
• 24:49
  capacity until you got to the lunges.
• 24:50
  And the lunges was just like, hold on for dear life.
• 24:53
  Right pain capacity. Hopefully, I mean people that's
• 24:57
  more just your heart rate at that point.
• 25:00
  Overall, I think we all liked the programming I thought made.
• 25:03
  Him it was. Fantastic.
• 25:04
  It was cool. I wanted to do every single
• 25:06
  workout. I did run 3 miles the the day
• 25:11
  after I did the event 4. So I was basically in the same
• 25:16
  place they were going into Day 2, you know?
• 25:19
  Basically I. Agree basically.
• 25:21
  Have you done Gwen? I haven't I, I don't think I can
• 25:25
  do Gwen like I don't think I can go on.
• 25:27
  Bro do it at 165. I'm not going to do it.
• 25:29
  If I do it once, I like, I want like you saw me get to the third
• 25:33
  round, not do 10 and then not go to the fourth round because I
• 25:36
  couldn't do 10. Try to go 155.
• 25:39
  Try to beat me. No, I want to do it at 185.
• 25:43
  You can't. You just told me you can't I.
• 25:45
  I can probably get like 9 or 10 in and then I'm just going to
• 25:49
  pass out. Then do it right.
• 25:53
  No. Yeah, see, Hobart agrees with
• 25:56
  me. Hobart gets it.
• 26:02
  I I liked all of them. I was surprised at how much
• 26:05
  people were failing, but I was really, I was a good surprise.
• 26:09
  Were you? Surprised, Mr. Wood.
• 26:13
  I wouldn't have guessed it would have been that epic.
• 26:15
  No, I mean, it's because we just don't do it.
• 26:17
  We we don't, we don't do tests like that.
• 26:19
  Yeah, we don't. We don't push athletes to their
• 26:21
  absolute breaking point for the reasons I explained is we don't.
• 26:25
  Athletes know what fatigue is coming.
• 26:27
  You can see it a mile away. And that workout, it just hit
• 26:31
  people in the face. It would hit me in the face, hit
• 26:33
  everyone in the face. So it's Victor, Roman and 3rd.
• 26:41
  You got it. Jeff.
• 26:44
  Jeff, John. We let my.
• 26:47
  Eyes were on Austin the entire. Time we let Tyler figure stuff
• 26:51
  out when he tries to. I'm pretty proud of myself for
• 26:54
  getting that correct, by the way.
• 26:55
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 26:56
  I'm very proud, yes. I didn't think I that was kind
• 26:59
  of a guess, to be completely honest.
• 27:01
  So that leaves Austin. Who else has to now go to a
• 27:06
  different? Event.
• 27:07
  Just let him. We don't have time for that.
• 27:09
  No, John, this is a bad one. This is a bad one.
• 27:12
  He's forgetting. OK, So you let him get it.
• 27:14
  Please. No.
• 27:15
  Don't Austin. All I can think about is Austin
• 27:19
  Colton. That's that's that's pretty much
• 27:22
  it for like your perennial games guys.
• 27:26
  Quinn Robinson needs to go somewhere.
• 27:27
  I really hope he gets. Dude, he's a stud.
• 27:30
  He is a stud I was at when I was at crash, the last competition I
• 27:33
  did and I was out there and I didn't know who it was and most
• 27:37
  of the time I when. He got second.
• 27:39
  Well, it was in the first Yeah, he did.
• 27:41
  He crushed it. It was in the first workout.
• 27:42
  And usually I can like it was a pretty balanced workout.
• 27:44
  So I was like, OK, I know this person, I probably should be.
• 27:47
  And then right away he was just way ahead of me and there was no
• 27:52
  shot of me catching him after like 3 minutes.
• 27:54
  And then after the workout I was like, who are?
• 27:57
  You. You are really good.
• 27:59
  He's he's, he's really bad at pressing and then everything
• 28:03
  else. Freaking elite man.
• 28:06
  Yeah. I mean, I think, I think some
• 28:08
  overhead length like squat, snatch, I'm not sure.
• 28:12
  But like pressing pressing's the reason he won't make stuff is
• 28:15
  what I'm saying. Like yeah, you can.
• 28:18
  There's a snatch workout, not a Max snatch, so you can get
• 28:20
  through that right. But like the handstand push up
• 28:24
  prowess is not where he. Struggles.
• 28:27
  Yeah, I've been looking up real quick.
• 28:30
  I mean, I probably got similar score to him as in the
• 28:34
  quarterfinals workout is what you're referring to I think.
• 28:37
  What'd you get? Me, I got what did I get?
• 28:42
  Not good. I got 1150.
• 28:47
  Not good. We're very.
• 28:49
  Close. I did it.
• 28:50
  I did it once. And then I was like, that's good
• 28:53
  enough. I'm I'm fine with that.
• 28:56
  I no, no, I don't know how much faster I could get.
• 28:58
  What'd you get, John? I took AI took.
• 29:01
  That's a real question. I took more.
• 29:03
  Time. No no no.
• 29:05
  I took more time to do 4 handstand push ups than I did 26
• 29:08
  the 1st 20. 60 Wow, yeah. I was I went 26 and then just
• 29:13
  hit. A wall.
• 29:15
  And like I had done it previous with 30 unbroken handstand push
• 29:19
  ups and it was fine. And then I tried to push it a
• 29:23
  little bit harder on the when I was doing it doing it.
• 29:27
  And I guess that's the difference between 4 handstand
• 29:28
  push ups because I just hit an absolute wall.
• 29:31
  And then I went 112 and it took longer to do that than it did
• 29:36
  the 1st 26. It was so So.
• 29:38
  What was your time 11:57? Oh.
• 29:43
  Yeah, yeah. No, you're great.
• 29:47
  On the on the women's side, we have.
• 29:50
  I'm I'm not like you. You're fitter than I am, I
• 29:54
  guess. Fine.
• 29:56
  On the women's side we have Paige, who won, Emma Lawson and
• 30:00
  Lucinda Campbell, leaving off a lot more women that have to
• 30:08
  figure something out. Olivia, who we'll talk about
• 30:13
  here in a minute, Kyra. Yeah, Kyra.
• 30:20
  Lucy Mcgonagall, Reese Littlewood, I know she's going
• 30:23
  to the French Throwdown. Abby Dolman.
• 30:28
  We'll probably talk about her in a minute.
• 30:30
  What's the Max amount of events not including online semis?
• 30:37
  We'll see Athletes do 2. The green person you.
• 30:40
  Think I'll see athletes? Legends and then Syndicate
• 30:42
  Norcal like like they'll do Legends.
• 30:45
  And online, yeah, four, there will be people that do 4.
• 30:50
  I think dude, if you're if you don't get it at the second one
• 30:54
  in person, you just go, I'm I'm telling you as a coach, just go
• 30:58
  to online. Like I don't think it's good.
• 31:00
  It's not good for the athlete like to go to red line 4 times
• 31:05
  like that. Like in a in a what?
• 31:07
  The two-month span. Yeah, for the longevity of your
• 31:10
  career. Are you kidding me?
• 31:12
  I mean, like, I hope these athletes have coaches that are
• 31:14
  telling them like, hey, maybe, maybe we move our chips to next
• 31:18
  year at this point, but like that's not happening.
• 31:20
  There's there's going to be athletes that just go all out
• 31:23
  four times and I don't know, I don't know how they do it, but
• 31:27
  they're going to do it and then the longevity of their career is
• 31:30
  going to suffer from it. I think you could.
• 31:33
  I mean, Sprague's getting away with it.
• 31:36
  He is. How much longer is he going to
• 31:38
  go? We don't know.
• 31:41
  I mean they're they're giving him $80,000, so it's or
• 31:46
  $100,000, whatever it is. So I think it's pretty easy when
• 31:49
  that's happening. Yeah.
• 31:50
  Andy to mail it in. Look at this is what I always
• 31:54
  talk about. Look at Frazier.
• 31:55
  Frazier did whatever his two competitions every year and.
• 31:58
  He would just rogue in the games.
• 32:00
  He would just. He would just go dominate them.
• 32:02
  So like certain athletes doing all these competitions, one, I
• 32:07
  think it's definitely benefiting the longevity of the career, and
• 32:11
  two, I think it's stunting their expression of fitness at the
• 32:15
  events they go to. John but but God John full on
• 32:22
  sees right there was aiming. For my microphone, I hit the
• 32:25
  camera. This is a question for both of
• 32:26
  you. What what are your thoughts on
• 32:28
  Haley? What do you do to fix her
• 32:29
  weaknesses? And can you, I'm more interested
• 32:31
  in what does this mean for her through the semis?
• 32:35
  Do you guys think she's out or you think she's going?
• 32:38
  So I was. Talking to the games.
• 32:40
  Yeah. I think she'll make it online.
• 32:44
  I think I mean she'll make the games, Haley will make the
• 32:46
  games. What was the what did the
• 32:47
  comments say? What my thoughts on her
• 32:48
  weaknesses were? Weaknesses were and what you
• 32:50
  can. Do can you, Sir, can you fix her
• 32:52
  weaknesses? This is what I think.
• 32:54
  I have a. Strong opinion on this.
• 32:56
  I do too. I was, I think I posted
• 33:03
  something a while back about like my own fitness and like me
• 33:07
  and just like what I thought has happened to it.
• 33:09
  And then I had a coach, Sam Smith, really smart, knows what
• 33:11
  he's doing. And he let me know Sam Smith,
• 33:16
  he's a Irish guy. What?
• 33:19
  Yeah, Yeah. And he kind of brought me on and
• 33:22
  he lets me into some of this data.
• 33:24
  And like how big of a deal it is in whatever performance,
• 33:28
  whatever sport you're playing is just on internally motivated
• 33:31
  factors, like if you're not red hot, internally driven in our
• 33:36
  sport, especially to just. Absolutely.
• 33:38
  Hurt. Day in and day out, like Hoppers
• 33:41
  posted something several months ago and he was like, our sport
• 33:44
  is the hardest in the world. And I agreed with him.
• 33:46
  I was like, the level of suck that you have to endure to be a
• 33:49
  Games athlete is incredibly high.
• 33:51
  Just piece after piece after piece.
• 33:53
  And I think I question if Haley was here, I'd be like, do you
• 33:58
  feel like your motivation is as high now as it was five years
• 34:02
  ago? Yeah, what?
• 34:04
  What is it? That's hard because she took a
• 34:06
  year off because it wasn't it was it was too much like it was
• 34:11
  hurting her, right? So now it's.
• 34:14
  It's an Icarus situation. It's she.
• 34:16
  She flew too high, too early. Got.
• 34:20
  Burned. I mean, she didn't stop.
• 34:21
  Burnt she did. Absolutely stomped.
• 34:24
  I mean or maybe or. Not I don't.
• 34:26
  I don't think she wants to do what?
• 34:28
  It would take. Go ahead, John.
• 34:31
  I think she can put her head into a wall every single day and
• 34:34
  do more workouts than everybody and and blah blah blah blah
• 34:38
  blah. The I think she legitimately
• 34:42
  like has to lift heavy frequently and not work out like
• 34:49
  like 70% less of workout because she works out so much that I
• 34:57
  promised. Like the heavy lifting she's
• 34:59
  doing is still too much volume and it's doesn't elicit the
• 35:03
  stimulus that is needed to get stronger or like the CNS fatigue
• 35:09
  to get stronger. And I don't, I mean, but but
• 35:14
  wait, I don't, I don't think she ever will though.
• 35:16
  I don't or she would have by now.
• 35:19
  I mean she. She's bigger and stronger than
• 35:22
  she was several years ago. Is she?
• 35:25
  You know that for a fact? What's her Max match?
• 35:27
  What's her? What's her Max clean?
• 35:30
  How much muscle mass? Just take a picture.
• 35:32
  Take a picture. She's bigger.
• 35:33
  She's bigger. No.
• 35:35
  I think she muscle wise, she's bigger than she was.
• 35:37
  I think she's. Bigger.
• 35:37
  I think she's more ripped. Yeah, I'll get.
• 35:39
  Yeah, I think she's more. Ripped John.
• 35:40
  She's definitely more jet like, has more muscle.
• 35:43
  Go. Ahead and put up her back squat.
• 35:45
  What? What was it?
• 35:45
  Oh, second to last. Danielle Brandon's the only one
• 35:48
  who didn't beat her. Y'all are right, she's way
• 35:50
  stronger. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
• 35:52
  Tell me. She's way bigger.
• 35:54
  I don't care what she looks like, I care about what freaking
• 35:57
  numbers are on the barbell and it's the same freaking stuff
• 36:00
  every single year. I don't think she will do what
• 36:04
  it takes to get stronger because you know what you have to do to
• 36:06
  get stronger. Trust me, I'm familiar with it.
• 36:09
  You can't work out as much as you do you.
• 36:11
  Have to rest. You got to like murder your legs
• 36:15
  and not a freaking 10 by 10 style.
• 36:19
  I know how Mayhem lifts. I've seen my wife didn't
• 36:21
  Mayhem's programming for a year. I've watched freaking.
• 36:26
  They don't they it's just volume, volume, volume.
• 36:29
  To actually get stronger. You cannot do that.
• 36:35
  OK, so hold on. So for the record, you believe
• 36:37
  she's put on muscle mass, She has increased size and her
• 36:40
  strength has remained absolutely the same.
• 36:42
  Give me give me the data point that would say no Refute me.
• 36:48
  Speaking get better at Rogue and get stronger, but in relation to
• 36:52
  Danielle she might not have gotten like stronger.
• 36:55
  First off, I didn't say she was bigger.
• 36:58
  I think she's more ripped up, but I don't think she's bigger.
• 37:01
  I said she's bigger. All right.
• 37:03
  I think she lost somebody fat. I don't think that means she's
• 37:08
  bigger. I'd be interested to see if her
• 37:09
  weight changed at all. We don't know that, right?
• 37:12
  But if you say we know that, we know that we know that, that she
• 37:16
  weighs more. Bro, you're trying to go.
• 37:19
  You don't think she weighs more than five years ago?
• 37:21
  Someone call me like someone's got to be.
• 37:22
  I can't see 5. Years ago, Not five years ago.
• 37:25
  Where's? Barkley when you.
• 37:26
  Need him? I'm talking two years ago.
• 37:27
  You're arguing 2021 versus now. I'm arguing 2023 versus now.
• 37:33
  OK. And you might be right about
• 37:34
  that. That's what.
• 37:35
  That's what I'm saying. No, no, yes, I think she's
• 37:37
  bigger than whenever she was fifth place in the world at at
• 37:41
  the CrossFit Games. I I think she's bigger now than
• 37:43
  them. If that's what you're arguing
• 37:46
  then the rate of her return on strength is more poor than
• 37:51
  everybody else because her placements have not changed.
• 37:55
  If it's if it's barbell cycling, she was always pretty decent at
• 37:59
  cycling 90% of her Max's. She's better than that than
• 38:02
  most. But if it when pure brute
• 38:05
  strength everything that's always killed her.
• 38:10
  Show me the data point where that has improved and they'll
• 38:14
  tell me she's stronger. You're attributing her lack of
• 38:20
  strength progression in the last two years to a flaw in
• 38:23
  programming, and I would. Strongly disagree.
• 38:26
  Mindset. The flaw in her mindset.
• 38:30
  I don't think she will slow down enough to attribute the actual
• 38:35
  stimulus. Would need it to make her
• 38:37
  stronger. Yeah, I see.
• 38:40
  I disagree. I think she's probably doing the
• 38:43
  XS and OS of strength training just fine I think.
• 38:45
  You think it's working? No, I think there's more to it.
• 38:49
  I think it's more something along the lines of genetic
• 38:51
  potential rather than just doing the XS and OS correctly.
• 38:55
  I mean you know, I'll tell you what I think she does 3 months
• 38:57
  of JY barbell and that's it. I bet you she gets stronger.
• 39:01
  There you go. Just just for strength work,
• 39:03
  just for strength work, you go, do you know, we, we talk about
• 39:05
  volume, but this isn't a ploy for that, I promise.
• 39:09
  I mean, I don't disagree with your notion about training too
• 39:11
  much to illicit responses for strength training being held as
• 39:16
  too high in our space. That's definitely true.
• 39:18
  But I think she's, I think it's more a question of genetic
• 39:21
  potential rather than if that's. The case, if that's the case, if
• 39:26
  you're going to say it's genetic potential, which I refuse to
• 39:31
  just chalk it up and be like, well, that's just all I have.
• 39:34
  But then if that, if that's and if that is the answer, John, if
• 39:37
  that is the answer, Mr. Wood, then then no, you can't fix her
• 39:42
  weakness. She's genetically destined to be
• 39:45
  freaking weak. You can't fix it.
• 39:48
  It's like it's either that or you don't know how to get
• 39:55
  strong. Dude, she's training at Mayhem.
• 39:57
  They know how to get strong over there.
• 39:59
  OK, then show me who's gotten stronger.
• 40:01
  Give me the data point of what he snatched before he got there
• 40:04
  and what he snatches now. It's the freaking sack.
• 40:06
  Show me Roman. Show me Roman's back squat to
• 40:09
  whenever he joined. Then from Roy West End, it's the
• 40:11
  freaking sack. Show me one person.
• 40:15
  I mean, you, don't you. I think they know how to get
• 40:18
  bitter. I think they know how to get
• 40:19
  bitter. Do they need to get stronger?
• 40:22
  No, but you said she's at Mayhem.
• 40:24
  Of course she knows how to get strong.
• 40:26
  Show me who has gotten strong. I think they're great at.
• 40:30
  Getting they came in, they all came in pretty good though,
• 40:33
  John. That's that's kind of hard.
• 40:34
  Besides Haley. That's true.
• 40:36
  They came in pretty good. You're right.
• 40:39
  Show me the person who's gotten any stronger.
• 40:43
  OK. Hey, that's a great point, Rich.
• 40:45
  Let's see what he is now versus 8 years ago.
• 40:48
  He's not fair. So what?
• 40:50
  OK, OK, it's not fair, but he's the one who said it.
• 40:53
  He's the one who said it. Let's play this game.
• 40:55
  So what was Haley's best finish at the games way back in what,
• 40:58
  20? 5th.
• 40:59
  OK so tell me about how strong she was then why she got fifth
• 41:05
  bottom 5 there were? 5 running events and she can win
• 41:10
  and she was faster than Tia at the time and she had.
• 41:13
  And that her genetic potential is a better runner than Tia for
• 41:17
  sure. And then she tried to get
• 41:19
  strong, put on some weight and then lost her running home run
• 41:22
  ability and I think that she has now gotten that back.
• 41:27
  That doesn't mean she's any stronger.
• 41:29
  She still has the same weaknesses.
• 41:32
  I'm, I'm trying Bill, I'm trying my hardest here.
• 41:34
  This is I'm out of my depth on this.
• 41:38
  OK, let's move on from Haley. We we agree and disagree all at
• 41:43
  the same time. About Haley, I don't.
• 41:45
  We don't have a solution. There's no solution, but OK, one
• 41:48
  last question about mayhem, then we'll move on the the man.
• 41:51
  I think most all the men that we're worried about will make it
• 41:55
  to the games personally. Well, I could see John.
• 42:00
  This is a This is a good name. I know we're going to get off of
• 42:02
  it, but Seth Stovall's been snatching a lot lately.
• 42:05
  I don't know what he was snatching before, but it's
• 42:08
  impressive whatever he's doing now.
• 42:09
  So that could be a great data point.
• 42:12
  John, you bit me in the ass this weekend because Austin, he still
• 42:18
  can't get rid of the choke factor.
• 42:19
  He's going to choke. I mean, I believe I called him
• 42:23
  to choke as well. I mean, yeah, but that's like
• 42:25
  calling a dog to shit in. The You were all in the yard.
• 42:28
  You were all in on him. I know I'm always all in on
• 42:31
  Hatfield, but I so he might be like a potential to mess it up
• 42:37
  and not qualify like he we might have a Sam Briggs situation with
• 42:40
  him. On the women's side, you'll make
• 42:44
  it online. On the women's side, I mean like
• 42:46
  there were so many women who are who are have been to the games.
• 42:49
  Do you think, is there any one athlete that won't make it back
• 42:53
  to the Games from that that competed at Mayhem this weekend?
• 43:00
  Can you repeat the question? I'm sorry, I was reading.
• 43:02
  Comments Who's not going to make the games from Mayhem on the
• 43:04
  girls side? That the online portion of this,
• 43:09
  the online portion of this is the most impossible part, yeah.
• 43:12
  Because we don't know what the program is going to.
• 43:14
  Be no, no. I just think it's such a
• 43:16
  freaking catch all that it's like they'll probably all make
• 43:20
  it through that. Like people that you care about?
• 43:23
  Yeah, I feel like I Emily Rolf, right?
• 43:28
  Well, write it down right now. I think at least one of the the
• 43:32
  athletes who have been to the Games, perennial athletes,
• 43:34
  somebody we care about, will not make it back to the Games.
• 43:38
  That was at Mayhem. Yeah, there's no one.
• 43:42
  Yeah, that's yeah, at least at least one.
• 43:44
  Who? Who are we?
• 43:45
  Who are we making it go all the way down to?
• 43:48
  I know they're bullers. To me, I was just including
• 43:52
  games athletes, so like Claudia Gluck, Haley Abbey.
• 43:58
  Gluck is a good one because I know Lucy's doing French
• 44:01
  Throwdown and I know Reese is doing French throwdown.
• 44:05
  Mirror him is doing French throwdown.
• 44:06
  Like there's going to be your your competitions are going to
• 44:09
  be more full than people think. Claudia Gluck is a good one
• 44:16
  because she's very program dependent and what's bad is like
• 44:20
  she's one of those specialists that like can win events at the
• 44:24
  games that it's always nice to have those.
• 44:27
  I'm in favor of having those people rather than somebody
• 44:31
  who's all around fit. But it's going to get 25th
• 44:33
  place. And not that they're less
• 44:36
  deserving, they are. If you make it, you're
• 44:38
  deserving. But I just like when the
• 44:40
  specialist can kind of ruin things for people.
• 44:44
  OK, we're going to move on. Gabby.
• 44:49
  It's hard to talk about Gabby because you know, she's in her
• 44:53
  recovery. I hope she makes it, but it's
• 44:55
  not like it's a travesty if she doesn't make it.
• 44:59
  I think if. You can see it if she doesn't.
• 45:00
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. If she doesn't make it this
• 45:02
  year, she absolutely will be a monster next year.
• 45:05
  Like nobody would fault her for not making it.
• 45:07
  No, I want her to make it, yeah. That field was stacked, man.
• 45:12
  Oh yeah, on. The women's side, it was insane.
• 45:14
  Like Gabby, her worst event was a run, which makes me think like
• 45:19
  she she's yeah, but she's great at running.
• 45:23
  Like that used to be her best thing.
• 45:25
  Yeah, dude, that tissue's still coming back, dude.
• 45:27
  But no, I'm saying I'm saying if it had, if it doesn't come back
• 45:30
  next year, she will for sure. That's what I'm saying.
• 45:33
  Like she'll be, she'll be a freaking hitter.
• 45:38
  Grant, I don't know what you've done.
• 45:41
  You've convinced everybody we have a call in number.
• 45:42
  We don't have spin here. How do you think we have a call
• 45:45
  in number? Herpes.
• 45:46
  We can't pull up a. Call herpes free since 9 since
• 45:49
  O3 you can't call in Grant you're definitely calling it not
• 45:53
  calling in. Knock that out.
• 45:57
  Legends is this weekend. We're going to talk about the
• 46:01
  programming first. We'll talk about some other
• 46:06
  controversy here in a minute. I feel bad about my Mayhem tape.
• 46:10
  About Wahoo. I just feel bad.
• 46:13
  I I like I like mayhem, I'm trying to be positive towards
• 46:15
  them and y'all made me like not positive towards them and I I
• 46:18
  mean I think they're doing we got.
• 46:20
  You. We.
• 46:21
  Didn't make you. We did not make you do anything.
• 46:23
  No, we didn't hold the gun to the same.
• 46:26
  I'm not. I'm not.
• 46:27
  Blaming on you guys, I'm just saying I feel bad and I'm just
• 46:30
  going to say that I mean everything I said about Haley
• 46:32
  and I don't take any of that back.
• 46:34
  But as far as whereas everybody else goes, y'all might be
• 46:37
  improving and I just can't see it.
• 46:39
  Paige Rogers might win the freaking CrossFit game.
• 46:41
  So like, she's doing something. Is she not the clear favorite?
• 46:44
  Like am I crazy? Or for the games.
• 46:46
  Yes. Not for me.
• 46:48
  I don't think she's clear. Favorite.
• 46:50
  I'll give you my reasoning. She's top five for sure.
• 46:53
  I'll give you my reasoning. Her worst thing is running.
• 46:58
  Running gets tested at the games more than anything else.
• 47:02
  Pretty much always because we don't really test running in any
• 47:05
  other capacity, any other level until the game.
• 47:08
  Some obviously some semi semi finals absolutely should, but we
• 47:12
  don't test it a ton. She was ninth in the run in a
• 47:17
  games field. That's going to end up like I
• 47:19
  know this, the women's field was stacked, but when everybody's
• 47:21
  there, it's going to be more like a 13th or a 15th right on a
• 47:26
  just a run. But it's hard for me to say the
• 47:28
  winner of the games is going to be bad at running.
• 47:33
  Like running is going to be their worst thing.
• 47:35
  Show me show. Me.
• 47:37
  That's fair. That's a good take.
• 47:38
  That's a good take. Yeah.
• 47:40
  That's almost. I don't.
• 47:41
  I don't. Like that take.
• 47:43
  I don't like that take, I mean. It's a good.
• 47:44
  It's a. Good take.
• 47:45
  It's 2026, John. They run a lot of the games as
• 47:49
  they should. They used to run a lot at the
• 47:51
  games. I just wish they did a 40 meter
• 47:53
  Sprint or 40 yard dash. Do a 40 yard dash.
• 47:56
  Let's clock these athletes. Now it used to.
• 47:58
  It used to be awesome whenever like Kristen Holti would win the
• 48:02
  Sprint and win the distance and like, that's like she's athletic
• 48:07
  when you win both of them. Like it's like, dude, she's
• 48:11
  yeah, she's pretty great. Yeah, here we go.
• 48:13
  Thank you, Phil. Thank you, Phil.
• 48:14
  Pulling me out of the freak. Fight.
• 48:15
  But that's, that's my reasoning why it's hard for me to say that
• 48:18
  she could win, you know? Very good reasoning, Very good
• 48:21
  reasoning. All right.
• 48:23
  Legends Events. We'll give our.
• 48:27
  Feel the same way about Victor Hoffer.
• 48:29
  Like if you want to. Stop.
• 48:30
  Dang it. Done.
• 48:31
  You're done. Let's cut.
• 48:32
  I'm going to kick you off Legends.
• 48:34
  How do we feel about one sentence?
• 48:36
  I can't. That's what froze my computer.
• 48:39
  Who's trying to pull those work out there?
• 48:41
  I'll try. I don't like the thought of you
• 48:43
  trying to do it neither. Thoughts as a whole?
• 48:47
  One sentence Legends programming.
• 48:51
  Would. Mr. Wood, do you have a chance
• 48:53
  to look at it yet? I it's in front of me.
• 48:55
  I'm looking at the first workout and I was about to ask you
• 48:57
  questions about it. OK, thanks.
• 49:02
  Thanks Susan for noticing. What did he say?
• 49:08
  He said Tyler trying to for the fifth time to move on.
• 49:11
  Yeah, John, you're free, you're freezing up, but it's OK.
• 49:14
  Event 1/4 time X Bike ski 200 double enters with beaded rope,
• 49:21
  22 minute time cap. So we have no idea about it.
• 49:25
  We have no idea what the the the X is.
• 49:31
  I mean it seems like a version on.
• 49:34
  Thank you, John. Look at that dude.
• 49:36
  Oh snap, I did that. Thank you.
• 49:39
  That's. Wild.
• 49:40
  I don't know how I did that. Oh nice.
• 49:43
  We do not know the distances. We don't know anything.
• 49:46
  So I feel it it it's sort of like a 333.
• 49:49
  I'm calling it throuple 3. A little bit, but the orders
• 49:53
  like it's, I mean, it's different stuff.
• 49:55
  Everything's different. Everything not not the.
• 49:59
  That's why I'm calling it throuple 3.
• 50:01
  It's a double though. It's a throuple double.
• 50:04
  Throuple double it's 3 movements.
• 50:06
  Yeah, but everything was 3 and triple. 30 So you think this
• 50:10
  will be some iteration of 22? K ski I think it'll be a 6K bike
• 50:15
  2K ski 200 double unders or maybe a 200 Cal bike 2K ski 200
• 50:20
  double unders. I think that's AI.
• 50:23
  Think that's a fair guess? I think that works with the
• 50:26
  time. I don't know I dude, I I hate
• 50:32
  playing this guessing game. I have no idea.
• 50:34
  It could be so many things. John's.
• 50:36
  I think John was fairly on point with what it could be.
• 50:41
  How long is that? So would you say 6K bike John?
• 50:45
  A 6K bike, 2K ski, 200 double Enders, that would be a 22
• 50:49
  minute exactly if you hold a 2 minute pace.
• 50:53
  But they might go, they might go 200 cows bike, 200 Calabike, 2K
• 50:59
  ski. Trying to think of how long that
• 51:01
  would take. I mean 20 cows a minute would be
• 51:03
  10 minutes. That would fit right at the
• 51:04
  thing too. So 202 K 200.
• 51:07
  That sounds pretty if they wanted to be pretty about it.
• 51:11
  That's going to be entertaining to watch.
• 51:14
  That fits time cap pretty darn perfectly.
• 51:17
  Wait, you said 200 Cal bike? 200 Cal bike 2K ski 200 double
• 51:24
  unders. Yeah.
• 51:28
  I mean, the time cap, Yeah, I don't think everyone would
• 51:32
  finish that. No, that's the point, right?
• 51:35
  But usually, yeah, yeah, I like, I don't know what they're going
• 51:37
  for, the time cap. And usually I feel like in these
• 51:39
  endurance events, it's usually better to try and err on the
• 51:41
  side of having everyone accumulate the volume.
• 51:43
  But I don't know what they're going for.
• 51:45
  But if that's the case, then your winners are going to be 16
• 51:48
  minutes. And if your long workout is 16
• 51:50
  minutes, that's not great. There you go.
• 51:53
  That's it. Probably won't.
• 51:55
  Be hit the over button on that post there John.
• 51:58
  OK I'm trying to go to comp corner 'cause they will have the
• 52:03
  the weights. The entire thing Event number 24
• 52:07
  time 30 Chest of bar pull ups. 30 Sandbag cleans. 30 Chest of
• 52:12
  bar pull ups. The sandbag cleans are 150 and
• 52:16
  100. OK, I don't hate this one.
• 52:22
  Cool, short. What's the cap like?
• 52:26
  5 minutes? 6-6 minutes.
• 52:29
  Minutes. That's awesome.
• 52:32
  That's cool. Yeah.
• 52:38
  Do you go on broken on the first?
• 52:39
  Everyone's going on broken on the first chest of bar.
• 52:42
  Kind of reminds me of that. Which?
• 52:45
  That overhead squat, our chest bar overhead squat workout.
• 52:48
  I mean, it's a little it's, it's pretty different from that, but
• 52:50
  I've a similar kind of time domain and stress.
• 52:56
  Yeah, they're probably going to. I mean they're going to, I mean
• 52:59
  everyone's going to do singles probably on the cleans.
• 53:02
  There might be a couple people that I bet there.
• 53:05
  I mean there will be more women. I mean that's the thing.
• 53:06
  The 150 to 100 LB bag definitely favors the women more in speed
• 53:11
  is there will be women that'll do touch and go.
• 53:13
  Well, I think they'll make them a lot more.
• 53:15
  Women that do touch and go than men, men doing touch and go on
• 53:18
  that is. It's just harder.
• 53:19
  There might be a couple. Do you think we'll see some BS
• 53:22
  reps on the sandbag clean? I mean, I think if you do like
• 53:26
  the handoff thing, it's hard to like I think most of the time
• 53:29
  that's pretty, that's pretty solid.
• 53:30
  But I I think they'll enforce singles instead of letting them
• 53:34
  go touch and go you. Don't think it'd go over the
• 53:37
  shoulder. No, they it would say sandbag
• 53:40
  clean over the shoulder or sandbag over the shoulder.
• 53:44
  I I don't like that it ends on chest.
• 53:46
  Chest a bar because like, you won't really know where
• 53:49
  anybody's. Dude, if there's a race and your
• 53:51
  biceps are pumped, like if people get to the chest bar the
• 53:55
  same time, it is not. People are not just holding on
• 54:00
  to that 30 unbroken. Dallin does this once a week.
• 54:03
  Now he just says no. I don't know what this is in
• 54:06
  reference to he. Did it last week.
• 54:08
  He there was no context, just no, no touch and go.
• 54:13
  It is dumb. I think I would agree.
• 54:15
  Like you, you should. Be touch and go is dumb.
• 54:18
  No, it is dumb. Yeah.
• 54:22
  No. Like it's a dumb standard.
• 54:24
  No, I think there will be there will be women there doing touch
• 54:27
  and go. I can guarantee that.
• 54:28
  I would be shocked if there wasn't shocked.
• 54:31
  But I agree with Alan, I think no.
• 54:33
  I'm saying I think they'll enforce it.
• 54:35
  They'll enforce singles. Why?
• 54:37
  You can just get on your shoulder, take your arm off the
• 54:38
  bat. It slows down the workout like
• 54:40
  crazy if you do that. Too, because you got to go.
• 54:42
  Faster. I think that's stupid.
• 54:44
  If they may enforce singles, I think that's a stupid mandate,
• 54:47
  but less rules is better. Rules.
• 54:50
  A lot of semi finals do, I'm just saying.
• 54:55
  OK, I'll give this workout ABI. Like that workout?
• 54:59
  I think it'll be a really fun race.
• 55:01
  I think it'll be way more fun than people think when you look
• 55:04
  at it. I don't believe you, Dallon.
• 55:10
  He's definitely in Del Mar already.
• 55:16
  Event 36 rounds for time 9 dead lifts, 6 power cleans, 3
• 55:20
  shouldered overhead. I don't I don't like that they
• 55:24
  wrote shoulder but then abbreviated overhead and then
• 55:29
  the 12 minute time cap. The weights are two 25155.
• 55:35
  So it's heavy, it's heavy. It is.
• 55:37
  In favor of touch and go. No, let's touch and go or it's
• 55:41
  dumb. Yeah, that's that plain got him
• 55:43
  again. Dallin is trying to get other
• 55:45
  competitors to do touch and go is what he's doing.
• 55:48
  That is exactly, that's exactly that's what he's doing.
• 55:53
  Dallin did singles on 95 LB snatches.
• 55:58
  Just saying. You have.
• 56:00
  To do this next workout is kind of sucks.
• 56:04
  It would be hard to do. I would not.
• 56:05
  Want to do this? Not not the workout, it's just
• 56:08
  it would workouts fine. I just don't.
• 56:09
  I bet that just looks disgusting.
• 56:11
  It's heavy. You're going to see a lot of
• 56:14
  failing going on. No, I don't think you'll see
• 56:16
  failing. I just think people will go
• 56:17
  slow. Oh, you're out of your mind?
• 56:20
  The only thing what, It's not hanging.
• 56:22
  It can be from the floor. Yeah, you're just going to pull
• 56:25
  up this workout on your phone and you're going to be like, Oh
• 56:27
  my gosh, everyone's doing power cleans.
• 56:29
  That's where all the time is going to be spent.
• 56:31
  Everybody's doing power plants. It'll be.
• 56:33
  I think it'll be 6 singles into three shoulder overhead.
• 56:36
  John, did you do water Palooza? It was on a team or?
• 56:40
  Well, I know it was a qualifier for Water Palooza and I know
• 56:45
  that the teammates had to do either double DT or heavy DT.
• 56:49
  Oh no, that was yeah, I, I was individual that year.
• 56:52
  Dude, DT sucks. That's just terrible.
• 56:54
  I hate, I hate that DT exists. I I had a teammate.
• 56:59
  Yeah, I think it's awesome. He was super strong and he was
• 57:02
  super, he was super jacked. And I think he was like, he was
• 57:06
  so jacked that he would occlude his own muscles like he was that
• 57:10
  kind of jacked. And so anyway, I did double DT
• 57:14
  'cause he was stronger than me. I finished.
• 57:18
  I think double DT is so much worse than.
• 57:20
  Than Oh yeah dude. Oh yeah.
• 57:22
  Oh yeah. Well, get this.
• 57:24
  So he his time was terrible. So I had to do heavy DT and then
• 57:31
  he did double DT and I think like my time was just a little
• 57:34
  faster on double DT or heavy DT. It was so it was so aggravating
• 57:38
  that year. I was so mad about that.
• 57:41
  The level of commitment you show to the sport is just.
• 57:44
  Amazing. Like for reference, this is DT
• 57:48
  is my I hate that workout more than any single workout on the
• 57:52
  planet. I hate, I hate this workout.
• 57:56
  Wow, you're a you're a great teammate.
• 57:58
  Yeah. And he said it and I was like, I
• 58:01
  guess I'll do heavy DT too. That's a hard workout.
• 58:07
  I think the time caps kind of long, but it's.
• 58:10
  What do you think? What do you think Fin like a
• 58:12
  good finish time is? No I agree, I think sub six will
• 58:15
  win it. Jesus I mean dude like down and
• 58:19
  those guys are so fit now. Like whenever I try and guess
• 58:21
  their time I just got to like shave 10%.
• 58:24
  No, Down and James will both be sub 6.
• 58:26
  Tudor will probably be sub 6. I think John, I think John's
• 58:30
  right. It's yeah, we're going to see
• 58:33
  times from this and we're going to be like, Oh my gosh.
• 58:36
  I mean, it's going to be disgusting.
• 58:40
  So definitely watch the the the last heat on this, probably not
• 58:44
  the first couple. I agree that the time cap is
• 58:47
  long but I think I think they want everybody to do to do it
• 58:50
  all. So like if this is heavy for
• 58:52
  you, you still have to get through all of the volume.
• 58:56
  It is only the 3rd event. Yeah, and I, I love that
• 59:00
  philosophy, but I just wish competitions held that
• 59:03
  philosophy across all the workouts is like, let's
• 59:06
  accumulate the volumes of fatigue same across the board or
• 59:09
  let's not let's have competitive time caps like let's just pick
• 59:13
  like I'm fine with either or. It's just when competitions
• 59:16
  don't do pick a stance, that's when I have problems.
• 59:21
  Or they just have no idea what they're doing and that's what.
• 59:24
  They do with and. I love an aggressive time cap
• 59:29
  personally. Depends on the workout.
• 59:32
  The bench press? The bench press workout that you
• 59:34
  that you hated so much? That was a good aggressive time
• 59:36
  cap. Yeah, I think 70% of the field
• 59:41
  should finish. If I if I was running a
• 59:43
  competition to this level, I think most should finish.
• 59:47
  I think it's OK with wanting a workout though.
• 59:49
  We're like no the time caps written so everybody finishes.
• 59:53
  I know like Jr. does every year the first 3 workouts and crash
• 59:57
  the time caps are freaking. Me and Tyler could finish.
• 1:00:01
  But. Thank you Jr.
• 1:00:02
  And then the last three workouts are like, no, you got to be
• 1:00:06
  pretty fit to finish these. That's a cool, interesting
• 1:00:08
  approach. Workout 4, John.
• 1:00:12
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry, forgot I'm the.
• 1:00:16
  We spent 45 minutes on Mayhem 2023.
• 1:00:20
  That was Haley. I didn't do it. 5 rounds for
• 1:00:26
  time, 8 bar muscle UPS, 4681012 overhead squats and a 50 foot
• 1:00:33
  handstand walk. 8 The overhead squat IS185135 for the women. 1.
• 1:00:41
  It's just normal. There's no there's no ramp or
• 1:00:43
  pirouettes. Or yeah, it's just normal.
• 1:00:45
  I, I maybe there's a pure O at, but there is, there's not going
• 1:00:49
  to be a ramp. I think we're going to see some
• 1:00:52
  failing again here. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, there's
• 1:00:56
  going to be a lot of shoulder fatigue, but it's going to be
• 1:00:58
  nothing like Gwen. This is all shoulders.
• 1:01:02
  It's all shoulders. It's.
• 1:01:03
  Great, and you're blown up after DT.
• 1:01:07
  This is classic, classic competitive CrossFit right here.
• 1:01:12
  Just how well can you go overhead and maintain?
• 1:01:17
  That's what it is. That's huge part of our sport.
• 1:01:21
  I like this workout. It's it just looking at it for
• 1:01:27
  me doing it, I would I would like to do this workout.
• 1:01:29
  I think I what's the time cap? No time cap there's.
• 1:01:33
  Going to be a longer time cap I bet.
• 1:01:35
  I bet it's well, I I just don't know the last time cap was an
• 1:01:39
  eternity and now this one is I don't know.
• 1:01:43
  I would say, I would say the better times are going to be
• 1:01:46
  somewhere around, yeah, they're going to down and then they're
• 1:01:51
  going to go faster. This too dude.
• 1:01:53
  So 30 seconds and then 30 seconds on each handstand walk,
• 1:01:56
  maybe a little longer on the handstand walk and then overhead
• 1:02:01
  squad's going to be like. They're going to be under 7 1/2.
• 1:02:04
  Yeah, that's crazy. That's going to really hurt if
• 1:02:08
  you're. The fastest times.
• 1:02:10
  The fastest times. Oh.
• 1:02:11
  Guys, I have something super interesting for you.
• 1:02:14
  No, you sit on it. After Legends, No no, I'm going
• 1:02:17
  to save it, but man it's wild. Event.
• 1:02:20
  Five. Yeah, we don't.
• 1:02:22
  Know so far, so so far. Oh, so it's the final is is all
• 1:02:26
  we got? Now.
• 1:02:27
  No, no, no. We, we, we have this.
• 1:02:28
  We have this. Let me.
• 1:02:29
  It's on Instagram. Yeah, Yeah, I got you.
• 1:02:31
  Yeah. Good place for it.
• 1:02:36
  So there's 0 running in this entire competition. 0 running.
• 1:02:40
  I think there was running but then they have a sponsor that
• 1:02:44
  has a special bike and a ski and they need to get that in somehow
• 1:02:48
  and and they took out running. Are they?
• 1:02:51
  I don't know. If.
• 1:02:52
  They took it out. This is a problem.
• 1:02:55
  Yeah, go ahead. We're going to be, we're, we're
• 1:03:00
  trying to qualify the fittest people on earth and we're
• 1:03:03
  they're not going to run. Yep.
• 1:03:05
  Like what, what, what, what, what is going on?
• 1:03:08
  We're going to do overhead squat, handstand walk, bar
• 1:03:10
  muscle up, sandbag cleans, but we're not going to do the most
• 1:03:13
  basic human movement ever. You're not going to run.
• 1:03:18
  Make them run up and down the floor.
• 1:03:20
  Make them do shuttle runs. Make them freaking run.
• 1:03:22
  This is, this is absurd. This is so insane.
• 1:03:25
  I mean, I like, This is why I didn't talk about this as an
• 1:03:27
  athlete, like as an athlete, this would be a dream
• 1:03:31
  competition for me to go to. I suck at running, so I just can
• 1:03:34
  just like go out on the floor and like throw a sandbag and a
• 1:03:36
  barbell around that favors me greatly.
• 1:03:41
  But no running That's that's absurd.
• 1:03:44
  And then like my. It it is it's it's it's.
• 1:03:46
  Absurd. I don't think there's any
• 1:03:48
  running in Copa Sur or Far East either.
• 1:03:51
  So there is what, 30% or 40 percent?
• 1:03:57
  40% of the field will not be tested and running before they
• 1:04:00
  go to the games. Like make him run up and down
• 1:04:03
  the floor, make him do 100 foot shallow runs.
• 1:04:06
  Like an excuse to say we don't have an air runner or we don't
• 1:04:11
  have a loop outside our venue is just like, it's not a reason.
• 1:04:16
  It's not a reason. It's just, I don't know.
• 1:04:19
  I I need to stop talking about this before I say something I
• 1:04:23
  don't want to. 60 toes bar, 50 wall balls, 40 box jump overs.
• 1:04:28
  We don't know the height. I'm guessing it's 2420 with it
• 1:04:34
  being 4030 Devils presses at probably 50s.
• 1:04:40
  Yeah. Did you say it's Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  You think it's probably a heavy wall ball.
• 1:04:47
  You think it's 30? 30 a 30 LB wall ball.
• 1:04:53
  I hope so. I hope it's a 30 LB wall ball.
• 1:04:56
  I mean, knowing, knowing the yeah, going off the pattern of
• 1:05:00
  this program and just thinking heavier is better.
• 1:05:03
  John John is a fan I think. Well here's my thing, the £30
• 1:05:08
  wall ball. I don't think a lot of
• 1:05:10
  separation can be made on 60 toes to bar at the top end a £30
• 1:05:16
  wall ball like they're gonna do 50 unbroken, but it's gonna be
• 1:05:20
  very do I want to like it's or or like I?
• 1:05:24
  Actually do 30 LB ball. Yeah, I think there are people
• 1:05:27
  who try to do 50 unbroken. I didn't get the smart ones,
• 1:05:30
  won't I? I would see Dallin or James
• 1:05:35
  breaking, but it is just enough that you're like, do I want to
• 1:05:40
  go for 50 unbroken where 20 LB. I think most of them do 50
• 1:05:44
  unbroken. I think, I think I would rather
• 1:05:48
  watch this event with a 20 LB ball because then they're going
• 1:05:51
  to try and go fast on the box and then they're just going to
• 1:05:54
  move faster the rest of the workout.
• 1:05:55
  I would rather watch it with the 20 LB ball.
• 1:05:57
  I I and that's what I was going to say.
• 1:05:58
  I'd rather 20 Yeah. Because it's just like just,
• 1:06:02
  it's just going to create fatigue, but they're going to
• 1:06:04
  move fast and like. I hear you.
• 1:06:07
  I just hate when there's movements in a workout and it's
• 1:06:10
  like just to be there and it it just doesn't feel like there's a
• 1:06:15
  reason for it. But I don't want to sound like
• 1:06:18
  Tyler, so I'm with y'all. Thank you.
• 1:06:23
  What's? The purpose of this workout?
• 1:06:26
  I know what the purpose of this one is, it tests too many
• 1:06:28
  things. Hey, Tyler, can you what do we
• 1:06:33
  have left? We're going to talk legend.
• 1:06:36
  We're going to talk legends for a little bit longer, and then
• 1:06:38
  what else? And then we're going to talk
• 1:06:39
  about Dave. OK, I would love to talk about a
• 1:06:43
  controversial subject before Dave.
• 1:06:46
  Does it apply to legends? No, no, we'll finish our
• 1:06:51
  legends. Talk, John.
• 1:06:52
  Let's hear it. Let's go, John.
• 1:06:53
  No, no, no. No, no, let's finish Legends and
• 1:06:56
  then we'll go to John and then we'll go to Dave and then.
• 1:06:58
  We'll can you send me, can you send me a link?
• 1:07:00
  I'm going to bring, I'm going to bring on somebody for this.
• 1:07:03
  You have the you have the link here so.
• 1:07:07
  Like can you text it to me? Yeah.
• 1:07:09
  OK. Thank you.
• 1:07:10
  Thank you. This wasn't this wasn't planned
• 1:07:14
  either guys. But because of freaking stupid
• 1:07:16
  people on the Internet, this is what we have to do.
• 1:07:19
  If you, Brent, I'm not going to send you this if you bring Grant
• 1:07:22
  on. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:07:23
  You. It's nobody that you would think
• 1:07:26
  about, but it's it'll be good. It'll be good, I promise.
• 1:07:30
  OK, no, but it's nothing that gets you, Grant.
• 1:07:34
  It's just like whatever rant you were about to go on.
• 1:07:36
  I don't want to hear it. We're streaming on Flo Elite.
• 1:07:44
  Dude, brother. Susan, I know you're in the
• 1:07:48
  comments. I need to understand the
• 1:07:51
  details. At this point, I'm just confused
• 1:07:53
  because for all intents and purposes, Flo Elite was dead.
• 1:07:58
  Their Last Post was about Matt Frazier's retirement on their
• 1:08:02
  website and now all the sudden you know they're posting we're
• 1:08:05
  back and then they're doing 3 different semifinals, Magic City
• 1:08:10
  Legends and Norcal Classic sevens.
• 1:08:15
  It's still on sevens channel somehow.
• 1:08:18
  Maybe all all the talk I see is all the events will be covered,
• 1:08:24
  all of the divisions will be covered, but covered means
• 1:08:26
  nothing to me. What does that mean?
• 1:08:32
  Nothing, Nobody. How do we feel about paying for
• 1:08:37
  a live stream? I don't know if I'm, I don't
• 1:08:43
  know. I don't know if I would pay for
• 1:08:45
  a live stream. Dude, this is but you know,
• 1:08:47
  it's, I think Magic City is worse.
• 1:08:51
  You're extorting old people. Well, of the people who need to
• 1:08:55
  be extorted. I mean, they're the extortable
• 1:08:58
  ones. It's better than extorting the
• 1:09:00
  teens. That's fair, I guess.
• 1:09:05
  But no, I, I, I, it just, it kills viewership.
• 1:09:10
  Just kills viewership. Absolutely.
• 1:09:13
  And then on top of that, there is nothing to go to.
• 1:09:16
  Like if something awesome happens, right?
• 1:09:19
  Gwen was awesome. Guess what?
• 1:09:20
  Hey, everybody, go to Mayhem's YouTube and watch Gwen.
• 1:09:25
  It was awesome. Hey everybody, you can't watch
• 1:09:29
  what was so cool on Legends. I paid for it.
• 1:09:32
  Let me tell you how cool it was. James and Dallan were neck and
• 1:09:37
  neck, and then James flipped off Dallan and then Dallan like
• 1:09:41
  cleaned a barbell and then threw it on James's head.
• 1:09:44
  But you can't see it because you'd have to pay for it to see
• 1:09:49
  it. I'm out here paying athletes so
• 1:09:50
  their grandparents can watch. But but you know what?
• 1:09:53
  I'm saying I didn't. Say her.
• 1:09:55
  Like if I'm anything, I'm not saying something awesome will
• 1:09:58
  happen, especially like I don't think the programming lends
• 1:10:00
  something awesome to happen. But but you know, like any
• 1:10:03
  really cool race or whatever, like we can't even talk about it
• 1:10:08
  like because. Everybody will be like, what do
• 1:10:10
  you? Mean I didn't see it.
• 1:10:12
  I mean it's. Like, I just don't know where
• 1:10:14
  the money's going to come from. Like, I don't know.
• 1:10:16
  Like, it does suck, but at the same time, who's supposed to pay
• 1:10:19
  for that? Is HQ supposed to pay for that?
• 1:10:20
  Like, do they have the money? I mean, it's better than
• 1:10:22
  nothing, right? But I I don't know.
• 1:10:25
  Who's it's? It's definitely better than
• 1:10:27
  nothing. Maybe.
• 1:10:29
  I mean, Hiller might say a post produce thing might be good, but
• 1:10:37
  yeah, this is kind of how I feel about it.
• 1:10:38
  Your mom and I are think are the same person.
• 1:10:40
  I don't care about paying, but I don't want to sign up for a
• 1:10:42
  monthly subscription. That's kind of how I feel, like
• 1:10:45
  I'm going to pay it, but like the fact that it's a monthly.
• 1:10:47
  Subscription payment and then cancel it the same day and then
• 1:10:50
  like it should go off after the month, right?
• 1:10:53
  I, I just, I hate everything about that.
• 1:10:57
  I mean, how much is it? 132999. 29, it's $30, it's $30,
• 1:11:05
  dude, $5 cheaper and you can be on JY Barbell Fitness OK if you
• 1:11:11
  want, If you want CrossFit programming with a little bit of
• 1:11:15
  a strength bias to it 'cause we want to get stronger, but we
• 1:11:18
  still want to do fitness $25.00 a month.
• 1:11:21
  First two weeks of free jybarbell.com go get it.
• 1:11:25
  How do you define 30? Dollars to legends.
• 1:11:29
  It's really $15. It's really $15 if you, if you,
• 1:11:36
  if you do Norcal also 'cause it's in the same month, right?
• 1:11:41
  Especially if it starts on the day that you pay.
• 1:11:44
  For your subscribe Norcal's the end of May.
• 1:11:48
  All right, here we. Go.
• 1:11:48
  So it's almost. I don't think it's an exact
• 1:11:50
  calendar month. Well, hold on, are we, are we
• 1:11:52
  done with? Legends you can leave me in the.
• 1:11:54
  Studio No, no, no. We're going to get your opinion
• 1:11:57
  now. Do I get to talk legends?
• 1:11:59
  Yeah. Welcome to the Welcome to the
• 1:12:01
  floor, Jamie. How do you feel about Legends
• 1:12:05
  programming? I don't like it.
• 1:12:07
  I think it's I think it's probably fine for the elites.
• 1:12:10
  I think it's probably even fine for 3539.
• 1:12:12
  The scaling of the gymnastics, it's over overly scaled the
• 1:12:17
  gymnastics for the older crowds and I, I just don't understand.
• 1:12:22
  Do. Let me, let me.
• 1:12:23
  Look at this. Let me look at.
• 1:12:26
  This they dropped our chesta bar from 20 to 30.
• 1:12:28
  They took 2 bus bar muscle ups away like and that's a 10 like I
• 1:12:33
  don't know. They're just it's, it's just not
• 1:12:35
  balanced. And Ben has to be watching the
• 1:12:37
  show going. By and I agree Jamie, I agree.
• 1:12:40
  I think I think it's slants way too much towards power output
• 1:12:44
  lifting, especially with five workouts.
• 1:12:47
  You there's there's in the long event is all machines.
• 1:12:50
  There's no running, there's a sandbag workout, there's a
• 1:12:53
  barbell cycling workout. Like I 100% agree with you, and
• 1:12:58
  we usually don't agree on on programming things and at that.
• 1:13:03
  So I that means it's probably true, right?
• 1:13:06
  So you're you're upset the gymnastics are not as high
• 1:13:10
  volume as you want? Correct.
• 1:13:12
  I don't. Well, it's got to balance out.
• 1:13:14
  But she's saying that it's already got a power slant.
• 1:13:17
  And for masters, people like John, you're looking at this
• 1:13:19
  because you're an elite. No, I'm looking at the.
• 1:13:21
  That's not true. I'm looking at the sandbag
• 1:13:23
  weights. The sandbag weights drop a lot
• 1:13:24
  after 55. Don't you put words in my.
• 1:13:26
  Mouth after 50. 5 after 55 from 40 to 55.
• 1:13:32
  She's speaking. She's speaking about her.
• 1:13:35
  The 40, I'm in the 40, yeah. She's she's 40 to 44.
• 1:13:39
  The fact that like they took away 1010 pull ups on each side
• 1:13:42
  but but only 5 sandbag cleans like make it 252525 like at
• 1:13:47
  least make it comparable. Yeah, because it's, it already
• 1:13:50
  has a power slant, right. So, so like, I agree, Jamie,
• 1:13:55
  it's OK. If I I know I can agree sandbag
• 1:13:58
  cleans should have been should have been 20, I can agree with
• 1:14:00
  that. Now reason why I wanted to bring
• 1:14:04
  Jamie on. I just love the way that's
• 1:14:06
  worded. So within within within 10
• 1:14:11
  minutes of our conversation about Hayley Adams, so.
• 1:14:17
  I I swear to God, if we go back to Hayley, I'll shut the show
• 1:14:20
  off. No, no, no, dude.
• 1:14:21
  No, no, no, no, no. Somebody.
• 1:14:22
  Can we see it? Can we see it?
• 1:14:24
  You know I'm gonna read it out loud.
• 1:14:25
  Oh, it's already been. True, not attacking is.
• 1:14:28
  All I saw is not. Attacking.
• 1:14:29
  I'm just bummed as a woman in CrossFit this this this this got
• 1:14:34
  posted to me. Thought I would jump into this
• 1:14:36
  podcast live for the first time and I'm truly bummed after what
• 1:14:41
  Hayley Adams very publicly went through her weight is your
• 1:14:45
  discussion this is more aimed at at John Young CrossFit.
• 1:14:49
  That's me. Man, that was a bummer,
• 1:14:52
  especially coming from somebody who has dealt with body stuff
• 1:14:55
  myself. You might as well have brought
• 1:14:57
  up her BMI. That's how foolish it sounded.
• 1:15:01
  OK, I'm not going to say her name because I don't, I don't, I
• 1:15:03
  don't want to. That's not.
• 1:15:05
  I think that's a mean thing to do.
• 1:15:06
  Well, I thought it might have been Jamie for a minute and I
• 1:15:08
  was like. No, no.
• 1:15:10
  That's why though. That's why I wanted to bring
• 1:15:12
  Jamie on because I would love a woman's perspective and I'm not
• 1:15:17
  a woman. I don't want to speak for women,
• 1:15:19
  but we literally, we literally are in a sport where this is
• 1:15:24
  what your body can do. Your weight effects that.
• 1:15:29
  And I don't really think we talked about Hayley Adams
• 1:15:31
  weight. We talked about her body
• 1:15:33
  composition. I agree.
• 1:15:34
  I actually said she doesn't weigh any different like you're
• 1:15:38
  looking like I I y'all are the ones that said she was bigger,
• 1:15:41
  but I don't We're in a if you can't handle what your your body
• 1:15:46
  being talked about in a sport where that's it's what your body
• 1:15:49
  can do, then it might not be the sport for you.
• 1:15:53
  Well, time out, because this is always what?
• 1:15:57
  I want to let Jamie say I want to let go.
• 1:15:59
  Ahead. I just want to fit this in real
• 1:16:00
  quick. It's always what gets me pissed
• 1:16:02
  because it's like Mr. Woods and I were talking about how big
• 1:16:06
  Haley was in a positive manner. Like we say big as in a good
• 1:16:10
  thing, right? And if if I call my say, my wife
• 1:16:13
  looks bigger, like she's stoked about it.
• 1:16:15
  It's their interpretation of the word big that is impressing this
• 1:16:19
  whole value structure over top of this thing.
• 1:16:22
  Also like to say, she said it was aimed at me and I feel like
• 1:16:25
  I'm the only one who wasn't talking about that.
• 1:16:27
  Like I said, it's like repeatedly.
• 1:16:31
  I think you guys just, I was listening then and I feel like
• 1:16:33
  you just commented on her looking more jacked big.
• 1:16:37
  I guess. Yes, some people wouldn't you
• 1:16:39
  know, I've had comments like that made about me too.
• 1:16:41
  Like like I've had men say my biceps are bigger than theirs
• 1:16:44
  and like, it's not really what you want to hear as a woman.
• 1:16:47
  That's not really how we want our bodies necessarily talk
• 1:16:50
  about. But you're right, we are in a
• 1:16:51
  sport where you know, our bodies are our machines and and we do
• 1:16:57
  show them off. And I I find it weird.
• 1:16:58
  I get it. Haley's always talked about this
• 1:17:00
  and like doesn't has asked people to not talk about her
• 1:17:03
  body. However, it's kind of like the
• 1:17:05
  Danny Spiegel thing and like she put up a post right before like
• 1:17:08
  I'm ready and she's got. That mean that mean?
• 1:17:12
  From your mom is just great. I when you make a post that
• 1:17:18
  highlights your body like all bets are off, I'm sorry people
• 1:17:22
  are going to talk about your body.
• 1:17:25
  And we, and we're not even like it's not even a sexual deal
• 1:17:29
  either. Like like some people go to
• 1:17:31
  we're talking about performance, like it's performance.
• 1:17:36
  And like I, I just can't believe somebody gets that ate up.
• 1:17:40
  Like we're, this is what we're on here doing 24/7.
• 1:17:45
  We say a man looks jacked. Nobody thinks two cents or I
• 1:17:49
  I've said little European voice multiple times.
• 1:17:53
  And. Nobody cares.
• 1:17:55
  Colin Bosshard has messaged me. Be like, watch what I'm about to
• 1:17:58
  do, right? Like, get over yourself.
• 1:18:03
  Good grief. It's so wild.
• 1:18:07
  Are you the one who messaged me, Standy?
• 1:18:10
  Because you know good and well that I am in the right on this.
• 1:18:14
  Yeah, we talked there. There I got puffy nipples.
• 1:18:18
  Here we. Go.
• 1:18:18
  Here we go. My teeth are crooked, right?
• 1:18:21
  I got a freaking hernia scar that looks ridiculous on my
• 1:18:25
  belly button. Now, Oh my gosh.
• 1:18:28
  Like we're in the sport of what your.
• 1:18:31
  Body can do. I didn't sign up for this.
• 1:18:34
  I didn't sign up for. This.
• 1:18:35
  It's too late, John. You're in it.
• 1:18:37
  John Wood on the show, I thought we.
• 1:18:39
  Were talking about muscle mass and I thought muscle mass Tell
• 1:18:42
  me. About Haley Adams phosphogenic
• 1:18:44
  system, John, go get it. Yeah, she has the.
• 1:18:50
  Promise. Some women just don't want to.
• 1:18:53
  They just don't that to them, that's a negative thing.
• 1:18:55
  Bigger jacked like and who knows how she thinks so, but I totally
• 1:19:01
  agree. Like we're in a sport where your
• 1:19:04
  body is on display and it's going to get talked.
• 1:19:07
  About now OK, but what I wanted to ask you more.
• 1:19:11
  I'm sorry, I got passionate. I got I get it heated in the
• 1:19:13
  moment. No.
• 1:19:17
  Does it bother you, Jamie, if people talk about you online but
• 1:19:21
  it's from completely performance related?
• 1:19:26
  Or are you like like I'm in, I'm This is why I'm doing I'm doing
• 1:19:31
  this and they're talking about the sport and I'm in the sport.
• 1:19:36
  Yeah, I mean, I like I post videos of me working out clips
• 1:19:40
  and stuff. Like I if I sure I've had like
• 1:19:45
  tops where they're like almost nude color and it's and people
• 1:19:49
  are like, are you, do you even have clothes on?
• 1:19:50
  And like, I mean, it is what it is.
• 1:19:52
  Like, you know, if I made the post, it's out there to be
• 1:19:55
  talked about. It is what it is.
• 1:19:57
  I wouldn't put it out there if I didn't want to be.
• 1:20:00
  For the record, I did not know if Jamie would agree with me or
• 1:20:02
  not before I pulled her up here. It wasn't like I preempted this.
• 1:20:06
  I just I. I said, I said, do you want to
• 1:20:09
  talk about a controversial topic?
• 1:20:10
  And she said yes. Anyway, if the person is still
• 1:20:14
  watching, I would just like to say get over yourself.
• 1:20:17
  And this is literally what we're on the podcast to do, to talk
• 1:20:21
  about what your body can do and wait effects that.
• 1:20:24
  All right? It just does.
• 1:20:28
  Jamie, are you're going? I fly.
• 1:20:30
  Up tomorrow morning. I'm packing right now.
• 1:20:32
  So I was in the middle of packing and watching you.
• 1:20:33
  Guys, I'm sorry for interrupting.
• 1:20:34
  You Jamie, OK, we're. Expecting a win?
• 1:20:39
  You saw the programming and you know me, right?
• 1:20:42
  So no. Yes.
• 1:20:43
  So yes. Are you going to go to
• 1:20:46
  Manchester City next year? I we can't do that now.
• 1:20:49
  If I could switch, I would. No, I'm saying, I'm saying next
• 1:20:52
  year will. You.
• 1:20:52
  Oh yeah, I, I probably will be done with Legends competitions I
• 1:20:56
  already like. I haven't gone to a Legends comp
• 1:20:58
  since like 23 because I don't and I should have known better
• 1:21:01
  when I signed up for this, but I I thought having the elites
• 1:21:05
  there and HQ possibly having some oversight, I was like
• 1:21:09
  optimistic that there'd be some balanced programming.
• 1:21:13
  Yeah, when I when they said there was only five, I was
• 1:21:15
  surprised. Yes.
• 1:21:17
  Because if you're going to have a slant, you need it.
• 1:21:20
  And four for 55 plus 4 events. Yeah.
• 1:21:25
  What? That's that's kind of crazy.
• 1:21:27
  I didn't know that. Well, Jamie, I hope you.
• 1:21:31
  I hope you shock yourself, because I hope so.
• 1:21:33
  Too. You are one of the fittest 40 or
• 1:21:36
  44 year olds in the world. Like maybe you can overcome the
• 1:21:39
  programming. I'm going to try my best.
• 1:21:41
  Do you know, do you know for sure there are women that are
• 1:21:43
  better than you at this, at this stuff?
• 1:21:44
  I mean, Carly's going. She's the one who won the last
• 1:21:46
  two years, so. I've been her though.
• 1:21:51
  I there's a girl who beat me on the semifinals or the
• 1:21:54
  quarterfinals this this year. Other than that, no, I don't
• 1:21:56
  really know. OK.
• 1:21:57
  Well, there's three spots. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:21:59
  Yeah, we'll see. Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  Yeah, I hope you do. I hope you end up second.
• 1:22:04
  No, you weren't first because of the program, OK.
• 1:22:07
  Thank you. Did you want to talk about
• 1:22:09
  anything, Jamie, before we move on, we're going to talk about
• 1:22:11
  Dave. You want to talk about Dave?
• 1:22:13
  No, I'm good. I'm going to keep packing.
• 1:22:14
  Thanks for bringing me on. Good luck, Jamie.
• 1:22:16
  Thank you, Jamie. I appreciate.
• 1:22:17
  Good luck, Jamie. Thanks, James.
• 1:22:19
  Jamie. Thanks.
• 1:22:20
  Good luck. Bye.
• 1:22:23
  I'm sorry, I didn't want three men talking about a woman's
• 1:22:25
  body. Yeah, it was private, Private
• 1:22:28
  right approach. You see?
• 1:22:28
  You see what I'm saying? That I.
• 1:22:30
  Yes, we didn't do anything wrong.
• 1:22:31
  Dude. I I feel bad, like I feel bad
• 1:22:33
  now. No, I don't feel bad.
• 1:22:35
  Why do you feel bad? That's how they get you.
• 1:22:38
  John, if you're. Going to be in the game, you
• 1:22:41
  can't feel bad, you can't feel bad.
• 1:22:43
  I feel bad, but John, I was, I was trying to like, I'm just so
• 1:22:47
  checked out of reality. And so like in the CrossFit
• 1:22:49
  world, like me talking about a girl being bigger and
• 1:22:51
  attributing muscle mass is just like such a good thing in my
• 1:22:54
  head. And yeah, yeah, not to.
• 1:22:57
  Everyone. Dude, I was going to say that
• 1:22:59
  like. You'll never make everybody
• 1:23:00
  happy 1st off and if you ever feel bad, I want you to go look
• 1:23:04
  at the strongman clip. Strong woman.
• 1:23:09
  I've watched them. It's amazing, I love watching
• 1:23:11
  it. No, no, no ours.
• 1:23:13
  Have you seen ours? Yours.
• 1:23:16
  Yeah, No, no, you haven't seen it.
• 1:23:19
  All right, Well, I've had an entire community go to tell me
• 1:23:21
  to go kill myself. So I, I, I promise, I promise
• 1:23:27
  you're, you'll be, you'll be fine.
• 1:23:31
  It only lasts for like 2 days and.
• 1:23:32
  Then they yeah. You got to get, you got to get
• 1:23:34
  used to it. I've had stuff that has lasted
• 1:23:36
  like a week but. That's well, yeah.
• 1:23:38
  I mean it's. It's it's, it's you know, you,
• 1:23:41
  you got to have a stronger backbone if you're going to you
• 1:23:44
  can't feel. That for sure.
• 1:23:47
  Let's move on. That is not what I said.
• 1:23:49
  That is not. I think we should bring the clip
• 1:23:53
  up, Tyler, honestly. No, all right, we're done
• 1:23:55
  playing that clip. It's been abolished.
• 1:23:56
  All right, all right, go ahead, Go ahead.
• 1:23:57
  Let's. All right, Dave.
• 1:23:58
  This is this is kind of good. We need to fill a spin spot and
• 1:24:03
  Mr. Woods was my first choice. But also we wanted to talk about
• 1:24:07
  Dave being on Savons and then that plays really well with some
• 1:24:12
  of the stuff Mr. Woods has been talking about.
• 1:24:14
  So it's. You know.
• 1:24:16
  Mr. Woods. You're good.
• 1:24:20
  You're good. I'm I'm going to make it longer
• 1:24:21
  every time. Mr. Woodsman.
• 1:24:23
  This. Was a classic.
• 1:24:25
  I forgot I even said that man. Don't, don't, don't cross fat,
• 1:24:30
  we put we. Haven't, I've never we.
• 1:24:32
  I didn't get any backlash from that one at all.
• 1:24:35
  But. Dave went on sevens, had a
• 1:24:38
  candid conversation about all things CrossFit philosophy, the
• 1:24:41
  CrossFit Games, and then Hiller made a rebuttal video to that.
• 1:24:52
  And it did kind of seem like a, and this is my opinion, it kind
• 1:24:57
  of seemed like a, what is it the presidents do whenever they go
• 1:25:01
  to bait? It's like a, you know, an
• 1:25:02
  opportunity to lobby for him being CEO.
• 1:25:06
  Yeah, for sure. That's what he's been doing.
• 1:25:09
  And he brought up a lot of kind of crazy points, one of them
• 1:25:14
  being like semi finals should be two days or less.
• 1:25:21
  I thought you kind of retracted that.
• 1:25:23
  That was like from the exhibition stuff, right?
• 1:25:25
  We'll. Start there.
• 1:25:26
  I, I think that that got, so I think for me when I heard that,
• 1:25:31
  like I went on red alert because I'm like, I, I side with you,
• 1:25:34
  John or Mr. Wood, that I don't side with you on the go to local
• 1:25:40
  gyms thing because I just don't think there's enough local gyms
• 1:25:43
  that are that big. Like the, the case that we
• 1:25:47
  should make semifinals in affiliates and use Mayhem as the
• 1:25:53
  example is a terrible argument. They at the last minute decided
• 1:25:58
  that they were going to have a live stream because the live
• 1:26:00
  stream cost $250,000 last year. And they, yeah.
• 1:26:06
  And they decided to take the burden on for themselves, right?
• 1:26:11
  That would be amazing. I did something, yeah.
• 1:26:14
  OK wait I I'm confused on so I started talking about this and I
• 1:26:17
  like made a clip saying he got his idea for me which very well
• 1:26:20
  could be wrong but I did start. Doesn't matter.
• 1:26:24
  The facts don't matter. It doesn't matter if you got his
• 1:26:28
  idea for me or someone else, but like why I don't?
• 1:26:31
  I still don't understand why can we not have semifinals in big
• 1:26:35
  affiliates Disregard like the mayhem model like that's a huge
• 1:26:39
  elaborate floor plan like. We well, I just don't want.
• 1:26:42
  We. Don't on the mayhem point.
• 1:26:44
  I just don't want to use them as the example.
• 1:26:46
  They have a very. Close knit.
• 1:26:48
  It's like them. That no one can do what they
• 1:26:50
  did. Absolutely agree.
• 1:26:51
  Absolutely agree. They're one-of-a-kind it.
• 1:26:54
  It's like, it's like looking at Arnold and being like, well, you
• 1:26:56
  can look like that. It's like, no, you can't like
• 1:26:58
  you. You just can't look like that
• 1:27:00
  and you can't do what Mayhem did.
• 1:27:02
  I I use the example in what I've talked about.
• 1:27:05
  This is the big gym in Colorado from Kevin Schutz owns Koda.
• 1:27:09
  Like he doesn't have like the most insane equipment.
• 1:27:12
  It's a really nice gym, but more normal and it's really big and
• 1:27:15
  he holds a competition every year and it's like someone like
• 1:27:18
  him. And they're great.
• 1:27:20
  They're great. Yeah, he he knows what he's
• 1:27:22
  doing. Like they could hold a
• 1:27:23
  semifinal. And I believe there's people
• 1:27:26
  roughly in every state that have the acreage of a gym that could
• 1:27:30
  hold a semifinal. Yes.
• 1:27:31
  We're not going to have a giant go WOD symbol on the floor.
• 1:27:34
  Like who cares? Like, let's just bring athletes
• 1:27:37
  together and have them compete. Well, that's the.
• 1:27:40
  Thing that we should start at is like everybody wants to go back
• 1:27:43
  to the old regionals and, and I don't think that that's feasible
• 1:27:46
  in a couple ways. I do think it's people think
• 1:27:49
  it's way more expensive than it actually is or it is is turned
• 1:27:52
  out to be. You know, I use this example a
• 1:27:54
  couple weeks ago, it used to be like $1 million for each
• 1:27:57
  regional and now it's costing more like $300,000.
• 1:28:00
  And it's like, OK, the expense is not what it used to be.
• 1:28:04
  But the other thing is, is people like want that.
• 1:28:07
  When we say we want to go back to regionals, they're like, you
• 1:28:09
  can't, It's, it's too much. And it's like, no, we have to,
• 1:28:12
  we have to walk our way back. Now where I'll meet you in the
• 1:28:15
  middle is like local high schools or local colleges,
• 1:28:19
  smaller colleges can do this. They could.
• 1:28:22
  Hold on, hold on, hold on. I don't so why?
• 1:28:27
  Why wouldn't having a semi finals in large gyms like Kevin
• 1:28:30
  Shoots and Coda? Why would that not work?
• 1:28:32
  I don't. Understand to me it just goes
• 1:28:33
  like you want more people to come and watch in vendors and
• 1:28:35
  all that stuff. Where are they going to go,
• 1:28:37
  dude? He's got a massive parking lot.
• 1:28:39
  It all works. This is what I'm.
• 1:28:40
  Saying it's like it would be like crash, it would be like
• 1:28:42
  crash people would do. It I think Crash is an anomaly.
• 1:28:46
  Why are we worried about where people are going to park?
• 1:28:48
  Like if that's the biggest concern, I'm not worried about.
• 1:28:50
  Where people are going to park, I just think like you need it to
• 1:28:54
  not feel absolutely claustrophobic as far as like
• 1:28:57
  just logistics of moving around the.
• 1:28:59
  Space. Dude.
• 1:29:00
  Be like what the vibe is. The vibe is better.
• 1:29:03
  Here's an example. At Waterpalooza, when they were
• 1:29:05
  back at Bayfront, people were on top of each other and I feel
• 1:29:09
  like the vibe at Bayfront because people thought.
• 1:29:12
  Of each other. Was kind of cool and then now
• 1:29:16
  we're at the beach and like everyone's spread out and it's
• 1:29:19
  just not quite the same. It's because we're on top of
• 1:29:21
  each other and that's. Kind of what's cool on top of
• 1:29:25
  each other at Bayfront is a little bit different than on top
• 1:29:27
  of each other at a CrossFit gym. I I'm I'm so on John's side of
• 1:29:31
  this. You can't say I'm wrong.
• 1:29:35
  I'm not, I'm not saying you're wrong.
• 1:29:37
  I think if if you're basketball games, you're saying the problem
• 1:29:42
  is too many people will go. That's a great their.
• 1:29:45
  Their gym is super small. That's a phenomenal issue to
• 1:29:48
  have. That's a.
• 1:29:49
  Phenomenal issue. We currently do not have that
• 1:29:52
  issue well. Exactly.
• 1:29:55
  Maybe it's a good start. Very far away from me, like
• 1:29:57
  let's let's get to that issue that.
• 1:29:59
  Because if you, if you did that and then you're like, hey, we
• 1:30:02
  had way too many. We we have to get a larger
• 1:30:04
  facility. Then you can start talking about
• 1:30:05
  the high schools and the local, the local colleges and different
• 1:30:08
  things like that, that that's how you can start doing it.
• 1:30:10
  I don't want to set up a situation.
• 1:30:12
  I think we'd Crossfit's done a horrible job.
• 1:30:14
  When they originally did sanctionals, they were just
• 1:30:16
  like, here you go. There was no like there was no
• 1:30:19
  barriers on anything. There was very little oversight.
• 1:30:23
  And I think they set the sanctionals up to fail, right?
• 1:30:27
  They set that whole season. I thought it was a great idea.
• 1:30:29
  They just didn't dole it out correctly, right?
• 1:30:32
  And I don't want to make the same mistake where we say, OK,
• 1:30:35
  we're going to bring regionals back.
• 1:30:36
  They're going to be in local affiliates.
• 1:30:38
  Here you go. And we have some situation
• 1:30:39
  where, yes, John, like there's a lot of people there, but then
• 1:30:43
  it's like, I don't want to ever be there again because it was a
• 1:30:46
  madhouse and it wasn't orchestrated well.
• 1:30:48
  Does that make sense? Like I don't want to set us up
• 1:30:51
  for failure. And that's, I mean, The thing
• 1:30:53
  is, what I'm trying to propose is, is there going to be
• 1:30:58
  malfunctions with some programming?
• 1:31:00
  Probably. Is there going to be some chaos?
• 1:31:03
  Absolutely. There's going to be a lot of
• 1:31:05
  things that don't go perfectly well.
• 1:31:07
  But the most important part about figuring this out is
• 1:31:10
  getting more people, more athletes going to semifinals 1
• 1:31:14
  and 2, is getting the community more involved.
• 1:31:17
  And yes, the programming probably won't be ideal.
• 1:31:19
  There will be problems that arise, but like I'm willing to
• 1:31:22
  sacrifice some of those things to have community events like
• 1:31:26
  that in a local setting with a higher representation of
• 1:31:28
  athletes like I, I just, and you're absolutely right.
• 1:31:31
  There's things aren't going to go perfectly smooth.
• 1:31:33
  Yes, but I was willing to take the I.
• 1:31:35
  Think, I think a little bit of the difference too, and I don't
• 1:31:38
  know how you would, I guess it just wouldn't matter honestly.
• 1:31:42
  But is that CrossFit sent their own media out to every regional
• 1:31:47
  and. Or back in the.
• 1:31:49
  No. Back in the day, it's a a little
• 1:31:50
  bit of like, why it seem, I think why it seems impossible
• 1:31:54
  because now they don't send anybody out to anything, yes.
• 1:31:57
  But now we have freaking Marbelle.
• 1:31:59
  'S been doing it, Savon doing it.
• 1:32:00
  It's like outside people and I guess Savon was not doing it
• 1:32:03
  back in the day, but you have literally outside entities that
• 1:32:09
  broadcast it. You know what I mean?
• 1:32:12
  Or cover it, right? I think that might be harder,
• 1:32:18
  but I think that problem does not matter if you have a whole
• 1:32:21
  bunch of these at affiliates. The only way that that matters,
• 1:32:25
  well, the affiliates thing could present an issue, but the only
• 1:32:29
  way that that matters and the way it's solved is kind of what
• 1:32:33
  they're doing now where you repost the stream on CrossFit.
• 1:32:37
  Maybe you would partner with CrossFit?
• 1:32:39
  You need to have. Under the guise of CrossFit.
• 1:32:41
  You need to have something that looks good because you are
• 1:32:43
  carrying the CrossFit banner, so to speak, and you'd like need to
• 1:32:46
  present really well. But besides that, like I think
• 1:32:51
  it that's how you solve that issue is like you just hosted on
• 1:32:54
  like you, you do what it you share the YouTube stream where
• 1:32:58
  it's like it's on sev ONS, but it's also on H QS YouTube stream
• 1:33:02
  something like that. What other points did he bring
• 1:33:05
  up? Woods.
• 1:33:06
  I know you're or Wood, Mr. Wood. I mean, like you're in the
• 1:33:12
  Hiller's video of I mean, I watch, I didn't watch the entire
• 1:33:15
  interview with Castro, but I did watch Hiller's video.
• 1:33:17
  I mean, dude, Hiller made a lot of really good points.
• 1:33:23
  I mean, he made a point in there.
• 1:33:25
  He's talking about, I forgot how he aligned it.
• 1:33:29
  It was something along the lines of like he was questioning.
• 1:33:32
  He goes is our field really that much stronger?
• 1:33:35
  And they started talking about how much Fraser infroning or
• 1:33:39
  overhead squatting back in 2015 at that event.
• 1:33:43
  What was it? It was just a hundred 400.
• 1:33:46
  It's 2014 games. They all him and Fraser and
• 1:33:50
  Hackenbrook. They hit 377, Hackenbrook hit
• 1:33:53
  376. They all went for 400 and they
• 1:33:55
  all failed. How many would hit 380 now?
• 1:33:59
  No, nobody's doing that now. I mean, like nobody's doing 400
• 1:34:03
  now. Like a couple might hit 3, the
• 1:34:06
  same number. It's the same.
• 1:34:09
  It's the same for that I mean. He just, I mean, he just made.
• 1:34:12
  A good one I think of snatching dude like 315 was was the most
• 1:34:16
  anybody snatched back then and you had a few guys who could do
• 1:34:19
  300. Spencer Handel hit 300 and
• 1:34:22
  freaking 2013. So and now we have more people
• 1:34:28
  that can hit 300. But the top end number, it's
• 1:34:32
  still around 3:15. It's 3 Gee hit 3:30 at a a world
• 1:34:37
  fitness project. Gee's a little bit of an
• 1:34:39
  anomaly, right? What are the three fifteens are
• 1:34:43
  there? There's Gee and Tudor and then
• 1:34:45
  everybody else around that three O 5 mark and we have like about
• 1:34:49
  10 of those guys. It's not.
• 1:34:52
  So I mean I was thinking about this.
• 1:34:54
  So here's another question for you.
• 1:34:55
  So if they repeated. People that make the games.
• 1:34:59
  If they repeated that ranch trail run that Castro made him
• 1:35:03
  freaking turn around and go run again.
• 1:35:05
  So let's say they repeat that. Would Justin Maderos run faster?
• 1:35:10
  I think he'd run about the same. Would you run faster or slower?
• 1:35:16
  I I don't I think it would be about the same.
• 1:35:19
  He's a lot bigger, yeah. I think it would be the same,
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  but he's a lot bigger. I think it could be the same,
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  yeah. So he's got better overall just
• 1:35:27
  but our numbers are. Really, I mean, I I the top, the
• 1:35:30
  top of the top, I don't think has gotten any better.
• 1:35:33
  I think Matt Fraser wins every CrossFit 2020.
• 1:35:35
  Matt Fraser wins every CrossFit Games that has been on since.
• 1:35:39
  I fully believe that easily, easily the the IT would not be
• 1:35:44
  by 200 points, right? Like you take this CrossFit
• 1:35:48
  Games, Hopper would be within 50 points of them, but Matt would
• 1:35:51
  still win. I've.
• 1:35:52
  Some more guys have caught up, but it's it's the the ceiling is
• 1:35:56
  still. There, the depth of field has
• 1:35:58
  been brought up a ton. I don't think we know that.
• 1:36:01
  I don't think we know that they would be that close to Frazier.
• 1:36:05
  I do dude. Frazier just wiped the field for
• 1:36:08
  so long. 2025, specifically 2024, no. 2025 specifically had
• 1:36:13
  15 machines in it, as you've alluded to Matt Frazier's 5 foot
• 1:36:17
  6 John. So like, yes, I, I, I trust me,
• 1:36:22
  I've done it. He, I don't, I know exactly
• 1:36:24
  where Matt Fraser would be. He still wins by like 54 points.
• 1:36:27
  Yeah, sure, you're probably right.
• 1:36:29
  I'm going to get in trouble for this one. 2024 a different
• 1:36:32
  story, it's by 100 points. 20/24/2023 is by 120. 2020 2 is
• 1:36:37
  back down to 90. John and I were talking about
• 1:36:40
  this. I'm working on a video of
• 1:36:42
  myself. Good.
• 1:36:51
  Go ahead, Tyler. John and I were talking about
• 1:36:53
  this. OK, I, I'm, I'm telling you, the
• 1:36:56
  next director of the CrossFit Games.
• 1:37:02
  Do they need to have trained athletes, and I'm talking like
• 1:37:05
  affiliate athletes at some point in the recent past, yes or no?
• 1:37:13
  No, but no, here you go. Absolutely not.
• 1:37:15
  But they need to be able to have a conversation and they need to
• 1:37:18
  be able to understand where athletes thresholds are.
• 1:37:21
  OK. All right.
• 1:37:22
  I like that qualifier because that's really.
• 1:37:24
  What I'm if they can't, if they can't talk, if they can't sit
• 1:37:27
  down and talk with someone about what they're trying to do and
• 1:37:30
  what they're going for and what they're testing, they have
• 1:37:32
  absolutely zero business doing it.
• 1:37:37
  I think if you reference some heavy Isabel from 2013 and use
• 1:37:42
  that as your reference point comparing it to 2025, you have
• 1:37:45
  no idea what you're talking about.
• 1:37:47
  I mean, dude, we need to be more objective about this.
• 1:37:50
  We can be more objective about this.
• 1:37:52
  It's. Yeah, Dave said that.
• 1:37:54
  They've said that and I don't think he, I don't think he will
• 1:37:57
  be. Dave's absolutely not.
• 1:37:59
  What are you talking about, Dave?
• 1:38:00
  Dave's had a decade to be more objective about this.
• 1:38:03
  No, I'm saying he said that exact same thing.
• 1:38:05
  We can literally do this and and he's not wrong when he says that
• 1:38:10
  he won't and he doesn't. Know he doesn't know.
• 1:38:14
  Like he, yeah, absolutely. And he's had an opportunity.
• 1:38:17
  It's like what you just said is you were like, oh, well, Frazier
• 1:38:20
  would be up this many points in this year, this year, he'd be up
• 1:38:22
  this many points. It's like, why are we having
• 1:38:24
  such a large deviation every year?
• 1:38:26
  Why? Let's make this a little bit
• 1:38:29
  more objective. There's such a big deviation and
• 1:38:32
  it it shouldn't I I don't believe.
• 1:38:33
  Deviation on what? So why?
• 1:38:36
  OK, explain why Frazier would have won by a smaller margin in
• 1:38:41
  2024 than 2025. Other way around, but 2024 was
• 1:38:47
  all robic capacity. If anything he had gotten weaker
• 1:38:52
  a little bit. There's no strength tested.
• 1:38:54
  He probably would have won the clean ladder.
• 1:38:56
  Every running workout he would be top five.
• 1:38:59
  So it was a different test is what I'm saying.
• 1:39:01
  It was different. Right.
• 1:39:03
  What are you, you saying the test should be more different or
• 1:39:08
  not as different, more objective?
• 1:39:14
  Explain. Yeah, yeah, qualify that.
• 1:39:17
  I think you can test. I think the whole idea of
• 1:39:21
  constantly varied in like the whole unknown and unknowable is
• 1:39:25
  dumb. That's not what I'm saying.
• 1:39:29
  You want friendly Fran tested. OK, here you go.
• 1:39:32
  I think workouts. Have you tested?
• 1:39:34
  No, I think time domains need to be replicated on a year to year
• 1:39:40
  basis. So getting a data point on a
• 1:39:42
  marathon row, I'm all for that. I'm all for working in that time
• 1:39:46
  domain. What I'm not all for is doing
• 1:39:49
  that sporadically and not consistently getting that one
• 1:39:54
  data point, that one point year and then a few years later we're
• 1:39:56
  only gonna test up to this time domain.
• 1:39:59
  It's like we we need to like get a little bit more cohesive in.
• 1:40:04
  What we're testing, and that's what I'm saying, is let's make
• 1:40:06
  it more objective. He wants reason.
• 1:40:08
  Behind why we program what we program.
• 1:40:10
  And I'm all for a marathon. I, I got it, I got it.
• 1:40:13
  So you're, you can, you're fine. You want to test it in different
• 1:40:16
  ways, but there are parameters and how we're testing.
• 1:40:18
  Fitness. Yeah.
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  And I can make it this really simple for you.
• 1:40:21
  The marathon row is the best example.
• 1:40:23
  Athletes aren't training in that time domain.
• 1:40:26
  They just don't. They don't train the adaptations
• 1:40:28
  that you get for a marathon row. So giving athletes at the
• 1:40:32
  CrossFit game of marathon row, that's theatrics.
• 1:40:35
  It's absolutely theatrics, we know.
• 1:40:38
  That. Why?
• 1:40:39
  Because of if you would have done a 10K time trial, I bet the
• 1:40:43
  leaderboard would have been so close to identical.
• 1:40:45
  It's theatrics, and I'm OK with some level of theatrics, but I'm
• 1:40:48
  not OK when it when you're trying to have athletes do
• 1:40:52
  something they're simply not prepared to do.
• 1:40:54
  I, I, I see I would I would push.
• 1:40:56
  Back on. That because hold.
• 1:40:58
  On the Gwen thing was exactly that, and you were all for it.
• 1:41:01
  I I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit.
• 1:41:03
  Twisted Gwen trying. To get at do do you?
• 1:41:05
  Are you with me? Tyler Alright, so I'll push back
• 1:41:08
  because when we don't ask them to do that for so long and and
• 1:41:12
  we are, we are supposed to get broad adaptations across the
• 1:41:17
  whole spectrum. Asking them to do a marathon row
• 1:41:19
  is well within bounds to me. Now are they prepared?
• 1:41:22
  No, maybe. And I think that's kind of the
• 1:41:24
  point is like you guys should be training longer pieces.
• 1:41:27
  So we should do it every year, we should test it every year.
• 1:41:29
  I don't think we should do it every year, but.
• 1:41:32
  Why? The marathon row, particularly
• 1:41:34
  because. It's boring, but something
• 1:41:36
  that's something that's. Super.
• 1:41:37
  An hour. An hour.
• 1:41:38
  Class, do you put the capital at that?
• 1:41:40
  No, because the capital wasn't an hour.
• 1:41:42
  It was like what, 30 something minutes?
• 1:41:43
  At the games I think there should be an hour and a half
• 1:41:45
  event every year. Wait, you just said we shouldn't
• 1:41:48
  do it? I said we shouldn't do it
• 1:41:50
  sporadically. OK, OK, I'm OK.
• 1:41:54
  You want. Time domains to be fixed but.
• 1:41:55
  Something around an hour, I think like is appropriate.
• 1:41:59
  You want time domains to be fixed.
• 1:42:01
  Yeah. And you can test, you can test
• 1:42:05
  everything in different varieties and that's the unknown
• 1:42:08
  unknowable aspect of it. But time domain should be fixed.
• 1:42:11
  At least to a higher degree than what we have now.
• 1:42:14
  John, how long was Pendleton? I don't, I don't.
• 1:42:16
  I don't disagree Pendleton was over 2 hours.
• 1:42:19
  I don't. Think he's correct.
• 1:42:21
  Here's the other one. Is the same goes on the other
• 1:42:24
  end of the spectrum that I made a horrible argument for, but the
• 1:42:28
  observation is still there. Is we used to test multiple
• 1:42:33
  events that would be like under 60 seconds.
• 1:42:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's, that's where I
• 1:42:37
  was going to like, you should have two, two tests shorter than
• 1:42:40
  two minutes, one test longer than an hour, and then one at 22
• 1:42:46
  at 12/2 at 8:00. But you're speaking.
• 1:42:49
  About verified balance, but but like every year you hit those
• 1:42:54
  time domains every single year and you can do that however you
• 1:42:57
  want to do it. Like one of them can be a 500
• 1:43:00
  meter row, one of them can be a 4 yard dash.
• 1:43:02
  That's a start for the conversation is looking at it
• 1:43:05
  from time domains. I am going to be talking about
• 1:43:08
  this. I'm having a podcast tomorrow
• 1:43:11
  about this I exact topic. He's in Chicago.
• 1:43:15
  He has a P. HD in.
• 1:43:17
  Italy. I'm just kidding.
• 1:43:19
  And we're talking about this exact conversation.
• 1:43:21
  I'm recording it tomorrow morning and he has a solution to
• 1:43:24
  this. My second point of this, which I
• 1:43:27
  think, Mr. Wood, you defined better as an understanding of
• 1:43:33
  how athletes are training and what they're capable of, because
• 1:43:35
  I also said trains athletes, has trained as an athlete.
• 1:43:40
  Really, those two points encompass the same thing.
• 1:43:43
  You understand what athletes are capable of because like Seth
• 1:43:48
  Page is a good example of this. Seth has never been able to do
• 1:43:52
  what elite athletes do, but he understands what they're capable
• 1:43:55
  of, right? Yes, I would agree.
• 1:43:59
  Seth. Seth knows what he's doing.
• 1:44:00
  Yeah, my other point was watches other events, Norcal, Classic
• 1:44:08
  Mayhem, Waterpalooza, Dubai, whatever.
• 1:44:13
  Do you think that somebody in the games director role should
• 1:44:16
  be doing that? No, I think what I originally
• 1:44:25
  said I would say still holds true.
• 1:44:27
  I mean, if someone they need to have a pulse on what athletes
• 1:44:30
  can do and that comes with having a pulse on what athletes
• 1:44:32
  can do comes with watching them. So to, so I guess yes, I mean
• 1:44:37
  you kind of have to watch them to some degree to know what
• 1:44:40
  they're capable of, so. So Dave doesn't qualify.
• 1:44:44
  I made three points. It's really it's just two, which
• 1:44:47
  is understand what athletes are capable of.
• 1:44:49
  And the point of understanding other events is like, you get a
• 1:44:51
  taste for what the fans like and you get a taste for what
• 1:44:54
  athletes are being asked to do across the year, right?
• 1:44:58
  Dave doesn't qualify for either of those and he like brags about
• 1:45:04
  it. He brags about not watching
• 1:45:09
  anything. I don't like that.
• 1:45:12
  You know my opinion about this, You know, my, I've been very,
• 1:45:14
  I've been very vocal about this. I mean, my question is like,
• 1:45:19
  let's like, let's slip this conversation around.
• 1:45:21
  I just like, why? Why should he be there?
• 1:45:25
  Like let's let's try and like walk through this with the
• 1:45:27
  people that genuinely believe like this is direction we go.
• 1:45:30
  So what? What is going through their
• 1:45:32
  head? That he's been there for a
• 1:45:33
  really long time, that he knows how?
• 1:45:35
  To I would say. Why should he stay That's.
• 1:45:38
  Another way to think I would, I would say the go to would be
• 1:45:41
  like he did direct the games like in 14151617, like it got to
• 1:45:51
  the golden years and they would say because of him, right.
• 1:45:56
  And then Greg killed it and now we're trying to get back and
• 1:45:59
  that's and like, why would we stir, stir the ship if he's the
• 1:46:03
  one that got us there? I, I, I would say that that
• 1:46:06
  would be their response. I think he has no idea what
• 1:46:11
  athletes today can do and I think he.
• 1:46:18
  And your big point on this was, was heavy, Isabel, right?
• 1:46:21
  Well, no, that was towards he thinks they're all fitter than
• 1:46:25
  Fraser. And I'm like that that I guess
• 1:46:27
  that points a little bit to it. But my point is just the last
• 1:46:29
  two years of the games, the Taco Bellification of programming.
• 1:46:34
  That was killing dude. That was so good.
• 1:46:36
  Because the last two years at the Games, it just feels like
• 1:46:41
  we're just working out. And I thought 2025 was better
• 1:46:43
  than 2024 programming wise, but it's just you don't see things
• 1:46:50
  like Gwen, you don't see things like climbing snail or like,
• 1:46:54
  like people just failing. You know that scene in the
• 1:46:58
  documentary where Tia and we didn't know she was Tia at the
• 1:47:01
  time, but has her head up against the snail and just the
• 1:47:04
  arms drop because she can't get it to move.
• 1:47:08
  We don't see those things anymore.
• 1:47:11
  And that's a part of it. That's that's how you start
• 1:47:13
  rooting for people, right? You also don't see people, I
• 1:47:18
  mean, like John said the last two years, send it on an an
• 1:47:21
  assault bike and then hammer a freaking block that we all hate.
• 1:47:25
  Like, like it's just, it's just the creativeness is gone that I
• 1:47:30
  think used to be there. But a lot of that is that I
• 1:47:34
  don't think he knows what athletes are capable of at
• 1:47:36
  least. And if he does, he's not
• 1:47:38
  programming like he does. And you shouldn't make
• 1:47:41
  statements like you did about Matt Frazier if you do.
• 1:47:45
  And maybe and I'm not, I'm not blind to, I'm not blind to he is
• 1:47:50
  hamstrung. He did have to be inside for
• 1:47:54
  every workout. It does make things harder,
• 1:47:57
  right? And we don't know what he's
• 1:48:00
  operating under. We don't know how, what
• 1:48:04
  circumstances he's operating under.
• 1:48:07
  I'm going off of things he has said and then programming that
• 1:48:11
  is not super challenging like or doesn't appear to be.
• 1:48:16
  I guess you can bring up the pegboard, but I don't think that
• 1:48:19
  was the workout that did that. And that's what I'm going off
• 1:48:25
  of. What he what, how he talks.
• 1:48:27
  He doesn't know what athletes are capable of.
• 1:48:29
  I don't care what circumstances he's under, because this sport
• 1:48:35
  is the ultimate expression of our entire ecosystem.
• 1:48:42
  And if you, if you don't nail it every year and I'm talking an A
• 1:48:49
  or AB plus we've talked about that in the past like you let
• 1:48:52
  you let the entire ecosystem down.
• 1:48:55
  I do think the programmer of the Games should be regarded as the
• 1:48:59
  best programmer in the world or one of the best programmers in
• 1:49:03
  the world. If you asked how would you, how
• 1:49:06
  would CrossFit, who the best programmer in the world is, I
• 1:49:10
  don't think they would say Dave Castro.
• 1:49:12
  I think they would because they don't know who good programmers
• 1:49:14
  are they. Don't even know.
• 1:49:15
  No, no, 100. A hundred people that like are
• 1:49:18
  in the space in the space. Coaches OK, so are there coaches
• 1:49:23
  and. Coaches, athletes, fans, like,
• 1:49:26
  like us, right? Like are just people who are in
• 1:49:29
  this really in it asking who the best program in the world is.
• 1:49:32
  I don't think they're going to say Dave Castro.
• 1:49:35
  You think they would? John No, no, absolutely no.
• 1:49:39
  I think they just need to be able, they just need to be able
• 1:49:41
  to say what they're doing and they just need to be able to say
• 1:49:43
  what they're testing. They need to be able to say what
• 1:49:45
  physiological system they're going after.
• 1:49:48
  And I don't Dave, that was. Great.
• 1:49:51
  I I Hey, you did great. I I did want to make a point
• 1:49:55
  about this. We have the whole moniker
• 1:49:57
  observable, measurable, repeatable.
• 1:49:59
  The problem is we hardly repeat things and we never measure
• 1:50:05
  them. You can't measure them against
• 1:50:09
  each other when they're always different.
• 1:50:12
  Yeah, But then that's where like my comment section is, is when
• 1:50:16
  you measure them alone. It's too specialized of a test.
• 1:50:20
  You can't do it alone. And that's why I posted Greg,
• 1:50:23
  Greg's first original testing framework.
• 1:50:26
  And that's all I freaking did. It was all isolated. 4 things
• 1:50:29
  were isolated. And I'm like, I, I, I firmly
• 1:50:32
  believe that is absolutely direction we have to go.
• 1:50:35
  Absolutely. Maybe not single modality
• 1:50:39
  testing, but much more targeted in terms of what we're testing.
• 1:50:45
  And that's like my reference to talk about.
• 1:50:47
  We have so many workouts where it's like we're testing all 10
• 1:50:50
  general physical fitness skills, We're testing all three energy
• 1:50:52
  systems all in this entire workout.
• 1:50:54
  It's like go. So we're not doing anything.
• 1:50:57
  We're really not getting a good representation of anything.
• 1:51:00
  We're just finding out how OK everything is.
• 1:51:03
  We need to get some data points just like imagine the curtain.
• 1:51:06
  I want a data point of high up on that curtain to see how it
• 1:51:10
  links. And we're just getting like
• 1:51:12
  these like low mid data points representing each system.
• 1:51:14
  So like we really don't, we really don't know because as
• 1:51:17
  we've just established, we've talked about the beginning and
• 1:51:20
  we've talked about the very end. We, we just haven't.
• 1:51:24
  No, Jeanette. Everything is in game.
• 1:51:27
  Everything is in the very middle.
• 1:51:29
  Everything's in the middle of that curtain distribution and
• 1:51:32
  from more capacity across broad time model domain.
• 1:51:36
  And aside from the games, I'm, I think the opening has been
• 1:51:41
  trashed for the last like five years. 2023. 2023 was the last
• 1:51:46
  time we had a good open and I know he wasn't programming that
• 1:51:49
  and that. And I don't think it's hard.
• 1:51:51
  I don't think it's hard to program for the masses and still
• 1:51:54
  make it challenging and they refuse to do it.
• 1:51:57
  And quarterfinals I thought was really bad too.
• 1:52:00
  And I don't think I'm alone in that.
• 1:52:01
  We don't know what semi finals are like.
• 1:52:04
  It's just, it's, it's just a lot is stacking up.
• 1:52:08
  I and I promise you, I, you know, we might get a little bit
• 1:52:12
  of hate from this from people who are going to back Dave.
• 1:52:16
  I've tried to be super, super like benefit of the doubt, like
• 1:52:23
  Tyler was gone way before me, like a lot of people were gone
• 1:52:28
  way before me that I talked to about Dave and I was like, well,
• 1:52:33
  you know, he's got a lot of stuff.
• 1:52:34
  Like, you know, I'm OK with it being a safe year.
• 1:52:37
  I'm OK with, you know, the open always being a just aerobic
• 1:52:41
  people. But when you say why that's I
• 1:52:44
  see, I disagree with that. Why is no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:52:46
  I'm not like I've I've gotten to be OK, like I'm accepting it.
• 1:52:51
  Because you're sick of arguing with people.
• 1:52:52
  Correct, correct. Like what?
• 1:52:54
  That's a great point. It's like, why is like, I've
• 1:52:56
  gone in multiple conversations with people about this and
• 1:52:58
  they're like, Oh well, the open's not a complete test of
• 1:53:00
  fitness. I'm like then then what is it?
• 1:53:02
  What it should be? It absolutely should.
• 1:53:04
  Be. Where where I draw the line
• 1:53:07
  though, John and why I'm like, I'm like, well, I'm just going
• 1:53:09
  to say that I don't think Dave is good anymore because I didn't
• 1:53:12
  want to say that. I don't know what he's operating
• 1:53:14
  under, right? And I don't like talking bad
• 1:53:16
  about people if I don't know they're fool compass.
• 1:53:19
  Now, if I do know your full compass and I want to talk bad
• 1:53:21
  about you, I will absolutely. Unless you're a strong woman and
• 1:53:25
  then I'll just say. But it's when he's explanation
• 1:53:32
  of the open is Colton Merton's won the open.
• 1:53:35
  The strongest guy in the back squat won the open.
• 1:53:39
  So it doesn't it's not just testing aerobic capacity when
• 1:53:43
  that's his explanation. He's had so many explanations
• 1:53:47
  that are just so fundamentally incorrect.
• 1:53:52
  I'll back you here. That's.
• 1:53:54
  Where that's where like, I'm just so gone.
• 1:53:56
  When he said he had checked, he someone asked him, did you watch
• 1:54:01
  Mayhem this weekend? He's like, no, I watched the
• 1:54:03
  leaderboard. What the hell does?
• 1:54:05
  The leaderboard, What are you doing?
• 1:54:06
  What does the leaderboard mean if you don't know what the
• 1:54:08
  events are alone and like like that means nothing.
• 1:54:12
  I'm just looking at names on a paper.
• 1:54:14
  They, you know, day-to-day it could mean anything.
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  He did ran a 5K the first day. I mean one thing.
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  I don't understand that really. I really.
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  Don't want let's let's move on after after this because all
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  we're doing is bashing day. But I guess it's not even
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  productive. We're just.
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  His and this is the culture that needs to change and this is what
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  it needs to become. Whoever it is, is someone goes
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  in there and it needs to be a much more open source format on
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  the how they're testing, on the objective metrics on what
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  they're doing. They need to be able to take in
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  outside information. So like when people who know
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  what they're talking about or like you're not testing this,
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  you're not testing this, there needs to be a pathway going into
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  that circle and they need to be able to be receptive about it.
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  Well, a cash is that I well it's not working.
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  It's not working. That face was so sullen.
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  And that's what that is what it is.
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  I don't know that I Then why are we here?
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  Then why are we here? I guess I just want I I better
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  define open source because I can totally make a case for like I'm
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  part of. It to be able to talk to other
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  coaches in the space about what is being tested.
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  Well, I think they would say they're doing that.
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  They're doing it would Chuck Carswell, and they're doing it
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  with Baz and they're doing. It where can I?
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  Where can I hear what's being tested?
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  Where can I go listen to the like how they're testing and the
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  objectivity of it? So what's, what's it called?
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  An anecdote and part of a staff council at work and it's just
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  everybody voicing their opinions about everything and guess what
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  gets done in that Staff Council 0 and it's like I, I understand
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  what you mean but like you open that you open that and it's just
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  like Jesus Christ like nothing gets heard because.
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  Everything's being said. That's fair.
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  Great argument, great argument. But then my counter to that
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  would be what new blood has been injected into that think tank in
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  there? Yeah, that's a good.
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  Argument we. Called it a think tank.
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  I mean, that's in theory what it's it.
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  Hits home a little bit though for.
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  Me like there's been no fresh. New thoughts.
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  There's no new, there's nothing new.
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  And that's why it's stale. That's why we're not going
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  because it's been the same, and I said this in a post, it's been
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  the same. It's been the same four people,
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  the same four people sitting in A room.
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  I'm probably saying I shouldn't be serious.
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  I mean, I've written this out in my post and it's true.
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  It's what it is. I mean, am I wrong?
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  Has there been significantly new thought going into this?
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  Well, like you say about open source, we don't know if there
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  has been, even if there was. I know more that you're not
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  wrong. This is what I told people.
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  I know more about the bombings and freaking Iran than I do the
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  thought that goes into programming CrossFit events.
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  Watch it wrong wrong podcast. Yeah, we we left for that exact
• 1:57:05
  reason, John. So I don't want to have to kick
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  you off of the. Pot No, I get, I get what you
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  mean. I get what you mean.
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  Your points valid. I, you know, to kind of meet you
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  a little bit, what we define what the world's fittest person
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  is, right? We do, but we have no real
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  definition of what that means. Like we can't.
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  We are going to. It's coming.
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  It's coming. We're going to.
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  They, we can't say like what their backs, what their back
• 1:57:37
  squad is, what their 5K time is, what you know, what their health
• 1:57:40
  metrics look like. We we and like that's great
• 1:57:43
  marketing that we can show to no one because we don't have it.
• 1:57:46
  It's coming. So anyway.
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  Last, and we will I this is this is where I'm going.
• 1:57:54
  What's your Instagram handle, Mr. Wood, John.
• 1:57:56
  Wood, John. Wood 32.
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  John Wood, 32 Follow John Wood, 32, on Instagram.
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  I'm going to be talking about all of this.
• 1:58:04
  And after you do that, go to jybarbell.com.
• 1:58:06
  Get yourself the best OH. My gosh.
• 1:58:08
  Strength bias programming in the CrossFit world.
• 1:58:13
  John, John, what do you snatch? Right now.
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  Yeah. Want to snatch more?
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  If I walked into a gym right now and if I couldn't hit.
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  Or or What's your all time best? What's your all time?
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  Best. I've hit 300 right now I cannot.
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  I don't think I could hit 2. 70 John John, you want 315?
• 1:58:32
  No, I actually don't. I don't want what?
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  I don't just. 'Cause you know how bad your
• 1:58:38
  body's going to hurt. I'm.
• 1:58:39
  Just letting you know I can make it happen for you.
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  That's it. I don't need.
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  I don't want to do. I don't want it.
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  Last couple minutes. Oh, I got you.
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  I got you. How high was that pole that you
• 1:58:48
  tried to jump over? 50 inches.
• 1:58:52
  You want to jump over 60? I don't think your barbell
• 1:58:55
  program is going. To come, Hey, one-on-one, man,
• 1:58:58
  one-on-one. Doesn't just work for that
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  plyometrics. Talk that one, that one's that
• 1:59:02
  one's $100 though. That was $100 last couple
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  minutes. We are going to the crash
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  crescendo this weekend. We are doing the live stream.
• 1:59:15
  It will be for free. It will be.
• 1:59:19
  For free, yeah. John, me and Spin, we'll be
• 1:59:22
  having a grand old time. I'm sure there'll be great
• 1:59:23
  interviews, great events to watch.
• 1:59:27
  So TuneIn live to that. Yeah, crowd, it's going to be a
• 1:59:32
  ball. If you don't feel like paying
• 1:59:35
  for legends, we're going to. It's going to basically going to
• 1:59:38
  be like what we just did on this show, but in real time, real
• 1:59:41
  life, and we will be commenting on what bodies are doing, male
• 1:59:46
  or female or in between. Ambiguous.
• 1:59:50
  If you're into, you know, if you're into some stuff.
• 1:59:53
  It would be. It'd be a great time.
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  I'm sure John and I will do at least some of the workouts.
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  I can't. I'm going to do something I so.
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  If you want to wait till Saturday, I'm down to run the
• 2:00:08
  trail, but I want to wait till Saturday.
• 2:00:10
  I'm interested to see what I feel like, so I'm leaving here
• 2:00:14
  at 5:00 PM, which means I'll be there around 3:00 AM on Friday.
• 2:00:20
  He's drive. He's driving through the night.
• 2:00:22
  And then so I'm wondering, I, I'm wondering if it's going to
• 2:00:25
  be one of those situations where I just feel like trash or my
• 2:00:28
  body's in an alarm state. And so it's like I need to work
• 2:00:30
  out Friday before it catches up to.
• 2:00:32
  Me. You got to work, yes, work out
• 2:00:35
  before you hit the fatigue. Crash, yeah.
• 2:00:38
  If the fatigue hits you, it ain't working out.
• 2:00:40
  I don't sleep till 10 and just get there at like 6.
• 2:00:45
  It's it's 9 hours. It's 10 hours with as much
• 2:00:48
  caffeine as I drink. Yeah.
• 2:00:50
  I mean like sleep, sleep in the afternoon like a little bit more
• 2:00:53
  and that way you're closer to the vent.
• 2:00:54
  You have 4 hours. So we do anything.
• 2:00:56
  Oh, I'm not sleeping tomorrow, I got to watch a a mongrel all day
• 2:01:00
  before I leave. Okie Doke.
• 2:01:05
  Yeah, I'm actually driving. Next week I'll be driving
• 2:01:09
  through the night from Magic City.
• 2:01:13
  You guys are busy. Oh, it's just starting.
• 2:01:16
  Oh dude you have no idea 'cause you throw a grid league in the
• 2:01:19
  middle of this and I I travel for like 6 straight.
• 2:01:22
  Weekends Mr. Wood will be at Syndicate.
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  I will. I will.
• 2:01:27
  I think we're planning some stuff, John.
• 2:01:29
  We haven't told you about it yet.
• 2:01:30
  Oh, snap. He doesn't know me.
• 2:01:33
  Yeah, other John, John. You.
• 2:01:36
  Me and you are planning some stuff.
• 2:01:37
  Yeah, me and him. Are and some stuff.
• 2:01:38
  That's what I thought. No, no, no, me and Wood.
• 2:01:41
  Me and Tyler got stuff. It's not planning for you, John.
• 2:01:44
  I think we're all three planning and not talking to any of us.
• 2:01:48
  I'm about to, I was about to post about it like in the next
• 2:01:51
  few days. Should I wait to post about
• 2:01:53
  this? Doesn't does it matter?
• 2:01:57
  No, let's wait. No, wait till after Legends.
• 2:02:00
  I don't know if I want you to wait till syndicate.
• 2:02:01
  Like no, no, we'll like we'll have.
• 2:02:03
  Dude, I got it all late. I got it all laid out.
• 2:02:05
  It is all ready to go. Like you say, 321 go, I'm ready
• 2:02:08
  for blast off. No, no, let's John's going.
• 2:02:10
  To have issues, let me tell you, John's going to have issues.
• 2:02:15
  Does he know anything? No, he doesn't.
• 2:02:17
  He doesn't know anything. I will be able to rationalize
• 2:02:20
  why I precisely picked every single thing so clearly.
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  OK. And John will be able to
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  irrationally debate you on each one of those top.
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  I will. I got.
• 2:02:33
  I got. No, he's talking about me.
• 2:02:34
  I'm talking. About.
• 2:02:36
  Me. I'm proud.
• 2:02:37
  I'm proud of my work. I'm very proud of my work.
• 2:02:40
  Why dude? I think.
• 2:02:41
  I'll be pretty open minded, open source.
• 2:02:43
  I feel like I'm pretty. Like for stuff that's well done,
• 2:02:46
  I'm pretty. You're going, I As soon as Woods
• 2:02:50
  Wood texted me about this, I was like, John's going to hate one
• 2:02:53
  of these. Oh, I know what he's going to
• 2:02:55
  hate. I know what he's going to hate.
• 2:02:57
  And I will. I will.
• 2:02:59
  We can have an open forum conversation about it and I will
• 2:03:03
  explain him my rationale and he will come to love.
• 2:03:07
  It I'm going to tell you right now, I very, I feel like I'm an
• 2:03:09
  open mind, but if my body, my body can disprove whatever
• 2:03:14
  you're bringing, that's where it'll, that's where I'll I'll
• 2:03:17
  stand on. You're going to do great.
• 2:03:20
  You're going to do. Great.
• 2:03:21
  Oh, you're going to do great. You're just going to be mad
• 2:03:23
  about it. But we'll have to wait till
• 2:03:26
  next. Week Harry Potter, the prisoner
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  of. Azkaban stuff is that?
• 2:03:31
  What? What the heck, I hope.
• 2:03:34
  So. But I've got reference.
• 2:03:36
  Yeah, you're going to suffer, but you're going to be happy
• 2:03:39
  about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:03:41
  OK. I'm excited.
• 2:03:42
  John. I'm excited after after we get
• 2:03:44
  off, you'll have to tell me about.
• 2:03:45
  It subscribe to John Wood, 32 on Instagram JY Barbell club and I
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  don't have anything you can. I apologize to absolutely
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  nobody.