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- 0:00All right, and welcome back.
- 0:03So on this episode, I want to talk about the new standard for powerful men
- 0:10So this is a cultural shift we get to really hold the torch for, and frankly, be the torchbearers of in men's work.
- 0:20And it's a very simple but potent concept I've talked about before, which is powerful men take responsibility
- 0:32for their pain.
- 0:34This is such a crucial and important thing.
- 0:39What does it mean to take responsibility for one's pain as a man?
- 0:45Well, it's really the main shift that takes us out of the victim mindset into the hero of our own journey mindset
- 0:54Right?
- 0:55Which is, it's not our fault certain things happen to us, whether personally, in our family, or culturally.
- 1:05But it is our responsibility what we do with it.
- 1:11And this is an edge a lot of men
- 1:14are afraid of, and frankly don't want to step into, because it's hard and we haven't really been given the skills to do it.
- 1:24And so when I say our pain, really what I'm pointing to is our wounding
- 1:32Right?
- 1:32Oftentimes, this stuff goes back pretty early in our lives to when we're kids.
- 1:39And for many of us, even beyond that, back into our lineage.
- 1:45I've talked a lot about on this podcast before the idea of epigenetics, a really burgeoning research area
- 1:54In one of the most simple things they've discovered, right?
- 1:57They used mice who tend to reproduce very fast, but still have quite
- 2:03A similar genetic structure to us as humans, as different as they might seem.
- 2:08And what they found was the importance of three generations in particular.
- 2:13What do I mean by that?
- 2:15Well, they ran some experiments where they would take a mouse and they would subject it to something unpleasant, and they would associate that with a smell, or a light, or a color, or something like that.
- 2:31So basically, they start to create that kind of Pavlovian thing.
- 2:35This smell leads to this distressed state.
- 2:39Now, here's what's crazy and wild.
- 2:43Two generations later.
- 2:45So we have the mouse, the generation after it, and the generation after it.
- 2:51That third generation of mouse, when presented with the same stimuli, had a similar reaction in its nervous system
- 3:02Meaning, the information was being passed down through the gene structure.
- 3:08And what they've discovered is that actually happens in the epigenetic layer
- 3:12The layer outside of your DNA.
- 3:15There's all these switches that can turn on and off, and that part is actually pretty malleable
- 3:21And it's a way to transmit certain information, particularly about our relationship to the environment.
- 3:28And they've tracked this
- 3:29with human beings as well, often that have gone through war or famine, we can see certain markers passed down, particularly through the three generations.
- 3:42Why feed three generations?
- 3:45Well, it's the kind of wild thing, right?
- 3:47The way genetics works and birth works is the second
- 3:53A female is conceived, her eggs start to form.
- 3:59And what's wild about that is that means when one woman is pregnant
- 4:06With a daughter, inside that daughter is the egg of her inevitable children, right?
- 4:13So you actually have the genetic structure
- 4:16Of three generations living simultaneously and being influenced by each other.
- 4:22So the stress hormones of the pregnant woman express
- 4:29Into the developing fetus and the developing fetus's eggs, which then become another person eventually.
- 4:37So, this is kind of the mechanic they think is behind this.
- 4:41So what does this have to do with taking responsibility for our pain as men?
- 4:45Well, sometimes the things that provide challenge for us, or ways we don't show up, or are triggered, or really struggle in life,
- 4:55Aren't even necessarily rooted in our direct experience.
- 4:59They're rooted in our lineage, the generations before us.
- 5:03And so even beyond epigenetics, right, there's cultural
- 5:08And familial passing-ons of the culture of a family, or a country, or a group of really any kind.
- 5:22So taking responsibility is twofold.
- 5:25Actually, it's even threefold.
- 5:27It's responsibility for my pain that I've experienced in this life.
- 5:31It's taking responsibility for the pain of my lineage
- 5:36And the fact certain things got passed on that really, in some sense, were no one's fault, but I'm going to take responsibility for shifting it
- 5:45And then the even more meta level, which is really the edge for a lot of us men, is to take responsibility for the pain other men have caused in the world, even if we didn't do it ourselves.
- 6:00And the willingness to step into this responsibility is really what I want to talk about in the sense of we want this to be the new standard for powerful men.
- 6:13Because what we have a lot of evidence for in our culture is men who don't take responsibility for their pain, and instead push it out onto others or make it someone else's fault.
- 6:26And again, just because someone else caused something doesn't mean they are the sole
- 6:34Responsible party for it now.
- 6:36It's up to us what we do with the impact of that.
- 6:39This is so key, and I've talked about it particularly.
- 6:43With men and their parents before, right?
- 6:46When we take responsibility, it doesn't mean we have to blame them and hate them for it, but we do have to acknowledge
- 6:53what the choices and lives they lived led to inside of ourselves.
- 6:58But the moment we see that, it's now on us to do something about it
- 7:03To do the work of healing our inner path, our inner self, our inner world, right?
- 7:10And really
- 7:12Taking responsibility for becoming whole, for integrating the wounded, traumatized parts of ourselves, and learning to work with them and build relationships with them in consciousness
- 7:26And here's the deal.
- 7:27A lot of men don't want to take responsibility.
- 7:31It's so much easier to point it outside
- 7:34And yes, there is an edge of we can all be victims in some sense in our culture right now, some more than other, others, but it doesn't really do any good to rank pain.
- 7:48And instead, we all just have to work with what we were given.
- 7:53And this is so important and particularly crucial for us as men right now.
- 7:59And one of the ways we can take responsibility for our pain is by surrounding ourselves
- 8:07By other men who will point it out to us and help us metabolize and process it and become more conscious around it.
- 8:16I've told so many stories about men's group, right?
- 8:19Where I go in, let's say I got an issue with my wife, and I want to rant and rave and blame her and demonize her, whatever it is
- 8:28And it's often through men's group it's pointed out to me, hey man, you're cocreating that just as much as her.
- 8:35So before you go attacking and blaming her, have you taken responsibility to shift your side?
- 8:42Can you say with 100% integrity that you've done that?
- 8:46That you've done your part to shift this dynamic?
- 8:50And oftentimes, guess what?
- 8:52I haven't, because it's easier to point the finger out.
- 8:56Than it is to point it in and say, I got to make a shift here.
- 8:59I got to do something different.
- 9:02And this willingness
- 9:05To take responsibility, you know, in some of these kind of performance circles, we talk about, they talk about radical ownership
- 9:12That's a big part of it, right?
- 9:14But it's not just our mistakes in leadership.
- 9:18It goes beyond that for the state of our nervous system.
- 9:22I am responsible for the state of my nervous system, in my family, in my relationship, in my men's group.
- 9:30Nobody can shift that for me.
- 9:33What I can do is know that, hey, I need help shifting that.
- 9:38So I'm going to take responsibility to get my ass into some somatic therapy.
- 9:43or to go on a retreat, or to get into a men's group, or to surround myself and find the tools I need to be able to make those shifts.
- 9:54I see this in my intimate relationship all the time.
- 9:57And now, my wife and I work with couples around this.
- 9:59That one of the crucial things no one wants to talk about is it's each partner's
- 10:05Responsibility to handle their nervous system and their pain enough so that when you have a relational moment, you can show up.
- 10:14With enough energy and presence to actually connect.
- 10:20If I'm so exhausted because I didn't get enough sleep or I haven't been eating well
- 10:25I can't really be present for my wife.
- 10:28She can't shift that.
- 10:29That's on me.
- 10:30It's my job to show up in that way, and hers as well.
- 10:34And when we both show up, restored.
- 10:37Guess what?
- 10:39The connection becomes even more generative.
- 10:42So that state of our nervous system is deeply connected to what I'm talking about when I say our pain.
- 10:48We all have triggers.
- 10:50We all have wounding from early in our life.
- 10:54I do really deep work with my partner, Dr.
- 10:57Luke Adler, around this in our Heart of Shadow program, that no one else
- 11:03Can go back and do the work for you.
- 11:05And in fact, one of our agreements in that program is you are responsible for your healing.
- 11:12We can't do it for you.
- 11:14We can, as we say, be the Sherpas that help you up the mountain, but you got to be doing it.
- 11:21You got to be the one who actually takes the risk of feeling, of metabolizing, of expressing, of trying something new.
- 11:29Taking responsibility for our pain is a really important thing in this moment, I think, in particular for us men.
- 11:38Because the pendulum has swung.
- 11:40It is hard right now for a lot of guys.
- 11:43The stats I've talked about before are pretty brutal.
- 11:48Men are more likely to commit suicide, women are getting educated at a higher rate, men suffer from loneliness and isolation at much higher rates.
- 11:57The stuff is real
- 11:59And we can easily point our fingers out at the culture, the man box, how we've been raised, religion.
- 12:07These things all contribute, and they're important.
- 12:10And I'm going to continue talking about them.
- 12:12But that's not enough.
- 12:14We as men then have to take responsibility that, yeah, it is hard right now, but only I
- 12:22Can really be the one who owns my personal experience and changes in the ways I need to.
- 12:31Taking responsibility for our pain means I'm going to do it.
- 12:35I'm going to ask for help and get the guidance and tools and support I need
- 12:43So I have conscious control over some of the patterning in my nervous system.
- 12:49So so key.
- 12:52We've all heard the quote, which is often actually misquoted from Victor Frankl about the distance between stimulus and response is everything.
- 13:03And while he didn't say that exactly, the meaning behind it is true.
- 13:09And right, it's epitomized in one of my new favorite songs, right, by one of my favorite bands
- 13:14Burl Jam, right?
- 13:16Don't react, respond.
- 13:19All that means, what's the difference between a reaction and a response?
- 13:22It's awareness and consciousness.
- 13:25Right?
- 13:26Reaction, we are fused with.
- 13:30We just boom, react.
- 13:32There is no thought.
- 13:34Responding means stimulus comes in.
- 13:38I process it and then I choose how to respond.
- 13:43Men who haven't taken responsibility for their pain are stuck in reaction.
- 13:49Stuck in habitually closing, habitually collapsing in shame, habitually exploding in anger, habitually turning to the bottle, habitually turning to weed
- 14:02You name it.
- 14:04Taking responsibility means I'm going to do the work to turn that habitual response into something I can consciously
- 14:12Respond to.
- 14:14So that habitual reaction to a conscious response, that's what it's all about.
- 14:20And it's about awareness, consciousness, and presence of what we've experienced in our lives, what our lineage has experienced.
- 14:28And the many harms that, yes, men before us and around us are often causing in the world
- 14:36And masculine leadership, as I'm now a champion of, means once we see something, it partly becomes our responsibility.
- 14:48So, this is even beyond just our pain.
- 14:50These are some pretty brutal lessons I've had to learn at things like Burning Man.
- 14:55There's the part of me that's like, oh, hey, that thing isn't tied, or that thing needs to be fixed, or hey, that's thing.
- 15:01someone else'll fix it.
- 15:03You quickly learn in environments like that that no, you cannot assume someone else'll fix it.
- 15:09The second I see it, I become responsible for what might happen if something goes wrong
- 15:15I have to take that on.
- 15:17Doesn't mean I have to be the one to fix it, but I might have to bring it to someone and take responsibility for, hey, I noticed this, you know, part of the structure was coming loose.
- 15:28How can we fix that?
- 15:30And that willingness to take responsibility for the pain and impact and problems we've seen other men cause
- 15:39It's a big thing to bite off, right?
- 15:42Doesn't mean we have to go around fixing every single thing in the world, but it does mean, to some extent, that one of the ways we can support
- 15:53The healing of the world is again by healing ourselves and getting into environments and creating environments and participating in environments where men are taking responsibility for their pain.
- 16:06This is so key.
- 16:09And here's the thing: as men, when we do it, it's ultimately so much more liberating.
- 16:17and empowering because it shifts the locus of control from out there.
- 16:22They did that to me.
- 16:24It's not my fault.
- 16:26I have no control over what happens next.
- 16:30Turns out, that's a pretty shitty way to live.
- 16:33It does not feel good to not have agency and be connected to that in our lives.
- 16:41and I see this show up as depression in men.
- 16:45They feel trapped in a relationship, or trapped in a job, or stuck, unable to metabolize their wounding, and are constantly pointing out.
- 16:55That it's because of something out there, it doesn't feel good.
- 16:59It sucks the vitality and life force, and yes, masculinity out of us.
- 17:06But when we take that responsibility
- 17:09It might hurt.
- 17:10Oh man, this is tough.
- 17:14I don't know how to do this.
- 17:15I don't even want to do this.
- 17:17But how else is it going to shift?
- 17:20Right?
- 17:21There's the two paths to integrity in any moment I've talked about.
- 17:26We shift the commitment.
- 17:29Or we become aligned with the commitment.
- 17:33We actually do the thing.
- 17:35So when our life isn't going the way we want it to.
- 17:39We can take responsibility, even if it is coming from an outside thing.
- 17:44It's like, hey, well, I have no control over that, but I do have control over this.
- 17:48And that feels better.
- 17:50It really does.
- 17:51It's much more empowering.
- 17:53Because suddenly, we're not at the whim of the world.
- 17:55Life isn't just happening to us.
- 17:58It's the shift to
- 17:59I have agency and direction and choice in my life, and I can happen to my life, right?
- 18:07I can lead myself towards more wholeness.
- 18:11So taking responsibility for our pain as men is one of the most crucial things we can start to shift the culture of masculinity around
- 18:23Right?
- 18:24My first episode is Real Men Feel Everything.
- 18:27We could easily add to that right now: that real men take responsibility for their pain.
- 18:33They don't make it someone else's fault.
- 18:36Even if someone else caused it, what we do is we take responsibility for what do I do with that now?
- 18:43Now the keys are in my court.
- 18:45I have the choice for how I handle this, right?
- 18:50It's going to take healing.
- 18:52It's going to take training.
- 18:53It's going to take vulnerability, getting uncomfortable, getting relational.
- 18:58So many of these things that us men are often afraid to do.
- 19:03Because, frankly, we just weren't taught how to do it.
- 19:06But you as a man, your willingness to take responsibility for your pain.
- 19:13That is the new marker of what makes you powerful.
- 19:17Your willingness to sit in the fire of your own wounding.
- 19:22And work through it.
- 19:25There's really nothing that isn't workable when we have the right community.
- 19:32the right tools and the right accountability and people guiding us.
- 19:38It's really incredible how much we can transform as human beings.
- 19:43I've seen it in myself, and now I've seen it in the hundreds of men I've worked with and coached in men's groups and programmes and retreats.
- 19:53And here's the other thing.
- 19:55There is never going to be a good time.
- 20:00I've seen this in my own journey, and now I've seen it with, like I said, so many men I've worked with.
- 20:05There's never a good time to start.
- 20:08Life never magically calms down.
- 20:11There's always something happening.
- 20:14And it is one of the most powerful masculine traits we can cultivate to say, Yeah, and despite all that,
- 20:22I'm going to put attention on it now.
- 20:25I'm going to commit to healing myself.
- 20:28I'm going to commit to unwinding this pain I've been carrying sometimes for months, years, decades
- 20:36And for some of you guys, generations.
- 20:39Absolutely.
- 20:43And that's a powerful, powerful
- 20:47Place to be as a man, in a powerful, powerful space to lead the way.
- 20:54It is incredibly inspiring to me.
- 20:58as a coach, as a men's group facilitator, when I see men taking responsibility for their pain and goin' for it
- 21:05It makes me want to help them even more.
- 21:08I see it inspire the people in their lives and their communities and other men.
- 21:14It is an act of leadership in and of itself.
- 21:18Luke and I talk about this in The Heart of Shadow is lighting the way.
- 21:23We light the way by going to the hard place inside of ourselves first, by not waiting, by taking responsibility, by playing that edge.
- 21:33By sitting in the emotional and sometimes physical discomfort of things that have accumulated in our nervous system since often when we were born
- 21:45And when we do that, we make it easier for other men to do it.
- 21:49So part of the power of taking responsibility for your pain as a man
- 21:56Is also, it makes you a leader.
- 22:00This is so key.
- 22:02You become a leader for other men
- 22:06Just by taking ownership of your pain and learning to work it and heal it.
- 22:13As you can tell, I'm pretty passionate about this, and I think this needs to be the new standard for powerful men.
- 22:22When we look at a man and we say that's a successful man, we need to take into account how much responsibility for his pain, the pain of his lineage, and the pain of other men is he taking.
- 22:35The more he is, the more badass he is, the more powerful he is, and the less harm he's going to cause to the world.
- 22:46So much of the strife and tension we're seeing in the world right now comes from men who aren't taking responsibility for their pain and instead pointing it
- 22:58Hey, it's out there.
- 22:59And then wanting you to point it out there.
- 23:03Because the second it's pointed out there, they have control over you.
- 23:07The second you say, you know what, I'm part of this system and I have some choice here about how I'm engaging with it, how I'm dealing with my pain.
- 23:17And there's a lot out there none of us individually can transform.
- 23:22In the culture, in society, in structures of power and being and whatnot.
- 23:28But you always have control over what's happening on your side of the court.
- 23:34So you can be a revolutionary just by taking responsibility for your pain.
- 23:41Because the more you do,
- 23:43the more free you become as a man, and the less other people can control you.
- 23:48And that is a radical act that we have seen very much take root
- 23:53In the programs and retreats and groups I've created.
- 23:56I talk about it as the power of a group to inoculate us against societal pressure and cultural pressure of the negative kind.
- 24:07Because instead, when we have a small band of people who know us intimately and really trust us and see us, they don't just see the Instagram bullshit we put out, but they see us, they see our pain, they have connected to us.
- 24:21those connections become more valuable than gold, and it's those connections we care about, not everything else out there.
- 24:29So, this is the new standard for powerful men to take responsibility for your pain.
- 24:35If you want to do that,
- 24:37Please come to my Labor Day retreat, do the Heart of Shadow program, do the Pillars of Presence program, or do Men's Group Experience.
- 24:44There's lots of ways to get involved.
- 24:47Go see a therapist.
- 24:49Work with a coach.
- 24:51These things do not make you weak.
- 24:53They make you powerful.
- 24:55All right.
- 24:56Until next time.