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The BIGGEST hyrox ever?? | MindSets Podcast | Episode 71 · The MindSets Podcast

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  Hello Andrew. Welcome back to another episode
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  of the Mindset Podcast. We're back.
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  Charles. How you doing?
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  I'm very good. I'm in the Christmas spirit.
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  Are you? I am, yeah.
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  I actually wasn't expecting that.
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  Really. You kind of give me like, Bah
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  humbug vibe sometimes. Oh no.
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  Yeah, I can see why. I, I, I really love Christmas
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  lights, like love Christmas lights, not that big into
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  Christmas, but Christmas lights it's.
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  Very Christmas, Yeah, actually got lights in the background, I
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  think. Is this a you initiative or an
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  Amy LED initiative? I was a bit both.
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  This is definitely me. Is it initially me?
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  I'm a mate. I had a grotto in my room when I
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  was younger. I'm not actually afraid to admit
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  it because it was that sick at the time.
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  Didn't tell anyone at school obviously but in hindsight,
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  unreal. I had fake like snow carpet on
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  the ground. Oh my God.
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  Like I had a bunk bed, but it was one of those bunk beds that
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  had like a desk underneath and I like cordoned the whole thing
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  off to look like the grotto sick.
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  I don't need to comment any further.
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  No, it's fortunate that I have, I have AI, have a girlfriend, so
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  it's fine. I can say it.
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  Anyway, we've just got off the back of High Rocks, London,
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  which is going to be the main focus of today, but bigger
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  things have happened in the sporting world over the week.
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  I'll let you start. All I've got is the incredible
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  Alex Yee running a 206 marathon in Valencia World.
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  Is he? I mean, there's a lot of them,
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  but is he the best endurance athlete in the world?
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  You put me on the spot, I should have come prepared for this.
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  He's definitely in the conversation.
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  It depends what kind of metric you're using to test.
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  If you're using triathlon as endurance sport, I don't know if
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  know if he's ever done a long distance try.
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  I'd be really interested. I'm sure that's the path he's
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  taking himself. When you when you say long
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  distance, certainly Iman, Yeah, Iman distance, yeah.
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  Or 70.3. No, because he's he's he did the
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  P-100 in London, I believe. Did he?
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  No, he didn't win that. I don't know.
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  Oh. No, he did the T100, but it
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  wasn't the full distance. He did the Olympic distance
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  T100. But yeah, like his, I'm
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  surprised that his speciality is Olympic distance.
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  If he's if he's so good at the long distance running, like you
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  said, he might be working his way out to to the top level
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  Olympic traffics do. I guess there's more publicity
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  in and around that distance super try and Olympic distance,
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  but a lot of the top Olympic distance triathletes when they
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  retire from Olympic the the sport they go and then start
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  like progressing down longer distance triathlon.
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  But yeah, he ran 2 hours 6 something which puts him second
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  on the all time list behind Mo Farah, who's on for Valencia
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  specifically? No, for British record, which is
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  like, I think Mo Farah is a 205. I'm not sure where he ran that,
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  but he's not far off that at all.
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  He's faster than Emil Keras, which is like a specific
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  marathon runner. Like the the time is nuts.
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  I mean, off the back of London when he ran his baby, I think
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  this is only his second marathon as well.
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  I was going to say, I think this is his second off the back.
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  It's like baby marathon in London, which was also, I think
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  it was 211. Incredible, right?
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  People like lots of heads were turned.
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  But yeah, he's, he's got honestly incredible capacity.
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  Like it's a monumental feel. I would love to know and I, I
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  believe he does have a YouTube channel, but I don't think he
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  like vlogs. But I would, I would love to
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  know how much he trained specifically for this marathon
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  over like his triathlon because he's still in the triathlon
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  season. So like he's still very much
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  having to consider that and that's his career.
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  That's what pays the bills. But also I'd be interested to
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  know like what as an athlete gives you more room for higher
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  pay? Is it doing running specifically
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  because he's formerly from a 10K running back, so is he then
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  considering making a move back towards running discipline and
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  maybe going towards marathon if he's already running 2 or 6 on
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  his second ever? Or is he looking to progress
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  into the longer distance Try where you often get bigger
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  sponsorships and you move around the world a bit more.
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  Not necessarily move around the world a bit more, but like
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  there's many more options of where to race.
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  It's, it's interesting, isn't it?
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  The, the thing that like springs to mind instantly.
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  If you're in a sport where you're doing 3 different
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  disciplines, you then can have opportunity for three times the
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  amount of sponsorship probably. And you probably get more
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  sponsorship deals because you're wearing sponsorship on your suit
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  that you're racing in rather than I think in a in running,
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  there's probably less scope for money.
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  Yeah, I don't actually know. I'd be interested to know.
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  Yeah. Because I, I think I'd argue
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  that the running industry is probably the biggest of three
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  though. So then there's also the scope
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  for maybe higher pay, bigger brands, more brands, that kind
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  of thing. But yeah, no.
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  I don't know if there's cycling is is is huge, isn't it?
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  But yeah, you're probably right. Worldwide, maybe running, but
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  it's really interesting. Another fun fact is that my
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  coach when I when I was doing 400 meters Max Colby, he's he
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  was also a marathon runner. I was just scrolling through
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  power of 10 to see the all time because I knew he'd be there
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  somewhere. He's, I think like top 150
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  marathoners of all time. He ran like 214 in Miami in like
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  the 80s by a proper serious marathon runner, which is really
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  cool that he's still there like 30 years later or whatever it is
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  four years later. Actually, then someone else
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  that's that's worth a mention from this weekend, a man that
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  has blown up from the beginning of this year on social media,
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  Hugo Fry. Did you say you ran a 217
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  marathon this weekend? And yeah, just.
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  Well, there was a couple of things that was crazy about it.
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  Obviously he's been doing quite a few races this season.
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  He's probably overloaded his calendar.
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  And then he went and did the three the night thing with BPN
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  and, and that was only what, 4 weeks ago.
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  And then he's come in and he ran 219 I think in Berlin, which was
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  his best time and didn't understand how he did that on
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  the day where, you know, it was hot and everyone else didn't get
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  their times. And then he's gone into this and
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  ran a 217. But was almost more impressive
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  about that. I had AII actually read what he
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  wrote about the race because it was a qualification race for a
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  lot of the US guys. He was running most of the race
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  on his own. So he didn't have the benefit of
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  a pact to pace him or to help arrow wise.
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  But he was just on his own for for most of it.
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  Which is even more mental because, yeah, I mean, I don't
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  even know what pace it is to be running that, but it's like very
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  low threes. Yeah, you have to be different
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  type of psycho. Yeah.
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  Like, honestly, it's it's incredible.
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  Like the capacity of all of these fast marathon runners,
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  like blows my mind. The best thing about him,
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  though, specifically is like all I see on his social media is I'm
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  going, yeah, this is an ideal prep.
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  I wouldn't recommend this. I wouldn't do it.
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  I'm doing way too much. And like he's, I don't know how
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  his body copes. But you know, what's been quite
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  healthy about that is for me, and I'm not saying that he has
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  directly influenced me as an influencer now, but I with my
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  own training and care, I'm really not sweating the small
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  stuff anymore. Yeah, yeah, I can safely say
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  that that my prep for High Rocks London was so below par and it
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  got bad enough I, I decided that the, the week before I, I didn't
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  care. I didn't really taper.
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  I just sort of didn't work out as much or as hard.
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  And then with regard to fuelling, I just ate what I ate.
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  I think you can get away with it though with high rocks it's such
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  a short. Event, that's the thing and I
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  think I think a lot of people kind of jump on the trend of
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  it's an endurance event and I think maybe to begin with, even
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  when I started, everyone was looking at it as an endurance
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  event. You train like it's an endurance
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  discipline. But I think because the times
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  are getting so much faster now, we're starting to realize
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  actually it's not that at all. It's almost in like 10K
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  intensity territory and like that's how people assign an.
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  Early cry in my gear coming in. It's like how people still carb
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  loading for those. Yeah, you.
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  Won't be carb loading like we've done enough podcasts on the
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  science of it. You don't need to be carb yes,
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  you need to be eating a good carby meal before you do it, but
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  you don't need to be considering yeah, you can up your carbs
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  probably a little bit, but I wouldn't consider it carb
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  loading like it is mental that I still still see people doing
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  that but we're getting ahead of ourselves obviously.
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  Coming back to High rocks, the next thing I want to talk about
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  was the Formula One because the Formula One season ended this
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  weekend and I was guided again. I was busy working at High
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  Rocks, but the tee up for this final race, it was it was almost
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  as good as a few years ago when it was like Lewis versus Max.
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  That's a level. But for those that need a little
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  bit more context, maybe only watch Drive to Survive.
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  It's going to be a great season because you've got Piastry and
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  Norris both driving for McLaren, who have won the constructors
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  championship. Then you've got Max Verstappen
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  who's been the undefeated world champion for the last like 4
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  years I think driving for Red Bull, who has had zero help from
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  Sonoda all year and is being replaced.
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  But just just for context as well, I think Red Bull this year
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  scored 470 something points in the constructors championship,
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  423 of those were Max. So that's pretty wild.
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  But I'd like to see the the stats on.
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  Has there been a driver who's finished as high as Max has and
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  the the like the difference between their points and their
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  their part? Yeah, I don't think so.
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  Yeah, that's a good point to look into.
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  I doubt it's ever happened then, as a result of how it was all
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  set up. If Lando Norris had come
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  anything lower than 4th and Max Verstappen won, then Max
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  Verstappen would be world champion.
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  If Max didn't finish then Norris would stay world champion as
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  long as he finished the race and Piastry didn't do anything
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  mental. I think Piastry needed like 6
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  points or something if Norris didn't finish as well.
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  So Piastry basically would only really win if the other two
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  didn't finish. Verstappen needed to win and
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  needed Norris to not come anything higher than fourth.
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  The way that it ended up happening, Norris did the job
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  that he got over the line. He became world champion for the
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  first time. What was also lovely is that Max
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  was really happy for him. That was huge.
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  We've definitely seen some maturing in Max this season, I
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  feel like. I don't know if like I, I've
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  never been the biggest Max Verstappen fan, but what I did
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  like with him was he was just like unapologetically himself.
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  And he's like, I, you see all of the best world champions,
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  whatever sport it is, especially in when it's a solo sport like
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  tennis or golf or F1, they have this like air of superiority
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  about themselves, which they create themselves.
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  So it's like almost arrogant to the point where it's like a bit
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  grating because you're like their personalities too much.
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  And that was always Max. And he was like, I'm
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  unapologetic to me and I'm going to win and I don't care how I
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  win. It doesn't matter.
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  I'm going to be the winner. And I feel like there's been a
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  little bit of a shift this year and he's been a bit like, and if
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  I don't win, it's not going to change my life.
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  I think what? Have you seen those interviews
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  where you said those things? And I'm like, come on, man.
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  It is. No, but I think, I think the
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  thing that's interesting about that is I feel like if he hadn't
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  won a world championship then he probably would still be like
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  that. But now he's won.
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  But then for me it's like, well, you're clearly just motivated by
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  money and sponsorships and it's not about the winning for you.
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  You've you've got to see you've, you've been world champion X
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  amount of times. Do you really care?
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  I think there's I think there's a level of understanding from
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  the current season though in and he had it a bit last year with
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  Sergio Perez. But if he has got zero help and
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  he's there's only so much he can do.
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  Look at what he's done. He know how he's had an amazing
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  like he actually couldn't have done any more than he did with
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  the car with the car he had the support he had and the team he
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  around him he had. Don't forget, like it's quite a
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  big deal when you're the head of your team gets fired halfway
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  through our season. And he's just persevered and
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  continue to deliver better results of anything.
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  Like there's not much more he can do.
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  And I wonder if it got to that point where he was like, OK,
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  well, I'm still going to drive the best I can, but everything
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  else is out of my control. And I wonder, I mean, anything
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  else, I can't do anything. I get what you're saying.
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  Fair enough, but. Now I have seen him in a
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  different like this season, I don't I'd like him a bit more.
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  Yeah, for sure. One thing that's not been great
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  this season, I'm really worried about Lewis Hamilton, really
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  worried. And what made me really sad is
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  he made a post about he was one of the races a few weeks ago and
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  someone was like, don't forget who you are.
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  Like someone from the crowd said that.
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  And he was like, I really needed that fuck.
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  Like he's in D and like he's been qualified terribly.
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  He's he actually had the best drive this race.
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  I don't know if you knew that he he went from like 18th to I
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  think 6th or 7th, which is really still got it.
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  So he's still very much got it. But like, he just needs to
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  figure. It's a shame really.
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  I love the fact that he is driving for Ferrari now.
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  That's always been like a dream for him.
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  And like he good, he looks good in red.
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  But yeah, I feel like the the however many years ago, it was
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  2-3 years ago when he he got picked by Verstappen in the last
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  race, if he'd won that, I reckon that was him retiring.
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  He's just like walking away from the sport.
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  But same for him, like he now with the car that he had and the
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  team that he had, he he knew he wasn't going to become world
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  champion very early on in the season off the back of a poor
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  season with with Mercedes as well.
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  So it was just like, I feel like the motivation for him to win
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  and prove himself isn't there anymore because he already knows
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  how good he is. Everyone else knows how good he
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  is. So it's kind of like AI don't
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  know. But yeah, it's been a shame for
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  him he hasn't been able to perform this one of the.
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  Things I am very much looking forward to though, especially
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  from a drive to survive perspective because of how they,
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  you know, ramp up the draft. I hope they have been following
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  Carlos Sainz this season because there have been interviews as
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  well where they've said like, are you happy?
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  I mean, you've broken your promise about not being on a
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  podium this year for Williams. And he's been on a podium.
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  And he sat there, I think he got asked cheekily like a couple of
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  weeks ago, are you happy about what's happened with Ferrari?
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  And he just like doesn't say anything and burst out laughing.
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  Which is really cool. So I hope they're feeling now,
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  deep down, all the drivers do have a lot of respect for each
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  other. And there, there are some good
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  friendships there. But on like, at face value, they
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  don't want to. They don't want to show that,
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  Yeah. And they are like competitors at
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  heart. But yeah, Williams has done well
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  this season. Yeah, they've got a good
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  partnership. Alban and Science are good good
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  good 2 drivers. Well, I mean, the team's
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  redirection has them set for very big success in the next few
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  years. I'm sure every team does have
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  the same thing behind the scenes.
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  But like what they're actioning and who they've brought in to
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  help them and those two drivers, that's a great line up big time.
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  And, and I mean, even in the engineering team, a lot of them
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  have come from former world championship teams, whether that
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  be Red Bull or Mercedes. So they're recruiting the right
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  people. And there it is.
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  Is Adrian Newey? Is he going to be the the new
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  head of Aston Martin? Did I see that?
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  Well, yeah, he's going to be coming in as the head designer,
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  in fact. Or was he not team principal?
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  I don't know what he thought but I I don't want to chat my ass
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  and say that you're wrong, but I was actually under the
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  impression that I don't know if that's starting next season or
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  if it already started. Oh, I don't.
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  Know he might be. He might not have developed this
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  season's Aston Martin. Well, yeah, he might be
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  developing next season with Aston Martin, but I thought he
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  developed the original. Model.
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  Maybe I read that wrong. But I think he will be from next
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  season like all in anyway. One of the most important things
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  I want to talk about Landon Norris's win.
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  Have you seen the clips online of his monster can?
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  No. So Lando's Monster Energy
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  flavour is somewhat questionable.
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  I don't hate it, I don't love it, but some clips started going
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  round of him drinking it after the race and really not enjoying
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  it. Like really not enjoying it.
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  Like genuinely takes a sip and really like kicks back.
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  But then what became apparent and someone ended up asking him
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  in an interview was is it just monster in that?
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  Oh, someone's put something else in that.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He very explicitly says that
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  there's a lot more in that. There's a lot more in that camp
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  and then there's no mods. Yeah, no, not at all.
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  I'm pretty sure it was straight vodka, the kickback.
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  But there's clips when they obviously get their big end of
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  season team photo in front of the cars and he takes a swig and
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  I don't know what they've put in it this time, but it's a full
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  on. I double that.
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  Like he's done sniffing swords or something.
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  So good. But I love that that's still
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  like. I'm sure Modern, yeah.
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  Well, you know what is it still published?
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  Any publicity is good publicity anyway.
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  Let's let's get into it then. So high rocks, London, the
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  biggest high rocks ever ever 40,000 athletes asterisk I'm
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  going to put because I know multiple people that race
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  multiple times and I think they don't count.
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  That Oh, really? You think they double?
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  Yeah, Yeah, they for sure double.
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  Yeah, for sure. There's 40,000 race entries.
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  Well, it's about 40,000 racist races.
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  Didn't actually. Happen.
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  There's lots of people race like over twice.
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  Yeah, so positives course was huge, which was also a negative
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  for getting around, but it was a one lap course with the
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  Rockstone built into the run, which is confusing in itself
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  when you're looking, you're confusing but very enjoyable to
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  race. When I from the, the mental
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  perspective of if I compare it to like Cardiff, which I know
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  you did, where you basically run 4 laps every time.
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  When I, I remember very distinctly in Cardiff being like
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  done the lunges, I've got one run to go and it was like I've
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  got 4 laps to go. I this time I'd done lunges and
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  I was like, I've got two runs to go 2 laps, that's so good.
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  And then coming on to the last run, like you can gas the last
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  run, because I I think the actual main straight down the
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  back, that's not the rock zone. I think that was like 404 fifty
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  meters long, which is so nice to run in a straight line.
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  It's actually ridiculous that that was done inside because
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  that's not only the it's the first time that's had a one
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  lapper in the UK, but it's the first time they've had a
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  kilometer run indoors in Europe because the other one K loops
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  like Rome and Berlin, they go outside.
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  So like you said it, the scale walking in and I was only a
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  city. I've been to lots of high rocks
• 18:22
  events, but I walked in and I was just like almost speechless,
• 18:26
  like taken aback. How big it was like ridiculous
• 18:29
  walking in there on Thursday. The the venue was wild.
• 18:32
  But like you say, the there were positives.
• 18:35
  There were negatives. The fact that it was so busy at
• 18:39
  some points the course was like from inside fast lane to outside
• 18:44
  lane, just like Rand as far as the I could see like this.
• 18:49
  I don't know how people raced in in in that busyness.
• 18:51
  So in my race there. You were Thursday, I think it
• 18:55
  was. Thursday was probably the least
• 18:57
  busy it. Was the least busy in terms of
• 18:58
  spectators but my wave we went off in the first wave sub flex
• 19:03
  75. Pairs. 80 8 so so 160 people in
• 19:07
  this tunnel. In, in a wave.
• 19:08
  In one wave. Yeah, that.
• 19:09
  That's mind blow. So it was, it was mental and.
• 19:13
  Basically everyone I knew was in that heat.
• 19:14
  Yeah, so, so I think we we've discussed this loads of times
• 19:19
  before about my technique of like waiting at the back of the
• 19:20
  tunnel and then going that wasn't, I've since been that
• 19:25
  off. But we got there and I looked at
• 19:29
  the sea of 160 and I was like, I don't want to be in the middle
• 19:32
  of that. No, like there will be people
• 19:33
  that went into the wave early that are much slower than the
• 19:36
  rest of them. There will also be a lot of
• 19:37
  people behind us that will go off way too hot.
• 19:40
  I knew we weren't going to be slow.
• 19:42
  So I was like, we we just don't want to get fucked up by people
• 19:45
  that were ahead of us that are too slow and people that are
• 19:47
  behind us, they're going to go too fast.
• 19:49
  So I said to my double s partner Emily, I was like, let's just
• 19:54
  wait. So we waited and again, we had
• 19:57
  the nice thing of just like taking people off as we went
• 20:00
  past them. But no, it was in terms of
• 20:03
  racing it as well. The the course makes a lot of
• 20:05
  sense in terms of station 1, Station two.
• 20:07
  Yeah, that will be in order. Yeah.
• 20:09
  That was that was really good. So I'm, I'm here for.
• 20:12
  I would love that to be the new norm.
• 20:13
  And I hope that the exile is the same again next year.
• 20:17
  I hope that they move away from Olympia, which is just always
• 20:21
  notoriously the most random course.
• 20:22
  Yeah. I'd be interested to know
• 20:25
  because like for me that that was the limit for how many
• 20:30
  people they could have racing if they started squeezing more and
• 20:33
  more people in. Unless they build heats earlier
• 20:36
  or build, build heats later, there's just, there's no way
• 20:40
  they can cram more people in. And I'm sure you'll talk about
• 20:42
  it as well, like people stopping for the warbles and having to
• 20:45
  queue. Like there's a there's a problem
• 20:47
  there with overcrowding and not enough equipment.
• 20:49
  So I don't know how they grow it and it's like in a couple of
• 20:52
  years time, does London High Rocks excel?
• 20:56
  Do they have two sides? I was actually going to say A
• 20:58
  course and B course and B course.
• 21:00
  And like then you can have 80,000 people running and then
• 21:02
  then then you start to see the scalability.
• 21:04
  But it's, it's wild. So I'm going to ask you a
• 21:07
  question. How many were there more people
• 21:10
  racing London High Rocks just gone?
• 21:13
  Or were there more people racing the London Marathon in April?
• 21:20
  Because when I found out the numbers, I was like, I was
• 21:22
  slightly shocked. I I reckon there were probably
• 21:26
  more people running the London Marathon, but only correct.
• 21:29
  Yeah, like, yeah, yeah, within like four or five.
• 21:31
  Thousand. Yeah, yes, I have a really good
• 21:32
  guess. So I think London Marathon, I
• 21:34
  don't know the numbers accurately enough to really
• 21:36
  quote them, but it was like 50 odd thousand, Yeah.
• 21:39
  So it's like only 10,000 more people.
• 21:41
  Yeah. Which is just like bonkers to
• 21:43
  think like how popular running is, how popular marathon running
• 21:47
  is, how popular the London Marathon.
• 21:50
  And then there's London High Rocks, where there's 40,000
• 21:53
  people. Yeah.
• 21:54
  Which is just like, and, and then we're trying to do some
• 21:56
  like really crude maths as well on like how much money they're
• 21:59
  making, how many spectators there were as well.
• 22:02
  I I don't buy. Individual tickets Individual is
• 22:05
  up before but like I imagine the venue hire is absurd, especially
• 22:08
  to take up a whole hardly excel but.
• 22:10
  It's relative to how much they're making.
• 22:11
  Every single ticket is if we said on average, because relays
• 22:15
  are slightly cheaper, but if we said every single ticket, if you
• 22:17
  don't buy the flex option and everything like that, let's call
• 22:20
  it £120. Sure.
• 22:21
  So they make £120 off every person in ticket sales.
• 22:25
  Then they don't pay any of the judges anything because they
• 22:27
  just get free tickets. You've got basically most of
• 22:29
  your staff working for free. I know that some staff are more
• 22:32
  expensive than others in terms of the announcers, media crew,
• 22:35
  everything like that. But it's like drop in the sea.
• 22:37
  Yeah, I, I would reckon that they're probably making on a, on
• 22:44
  a weekend like that couple million minimum.
• 22:47
  Yeah, I think I worked it out. How many?
• 22:49
  In spectator tickets. I think I worked it out in
• 22:51
  Glasgow this year because Glasgow was a five day event
• 22:54
  which previously was the biggest 20,000 people and I'd worked out
• 22:57
  that they easily made 2,000,000 without any of the sponsors
• 23:00
  doing like paying anything. Yeah.
• 23:03
  And like the sponsors will pay. Yeah.
• 23:05
  So yeah, it's. All the sponsors are covering
• 23:08
  something. That's what I mean.
• 23:09
  The sponsor, the sponsors. Alone may well be covering the
• 23:12
  venue high and then all you're paying for is a few members of
• 23:16
  staff to turn up. It's it's crazy.
• 23:19
  But on what you said about the amount of equipment, generally
• 23:22
  they did a really good job. We know from planning our SIM
• 23:26
  which we'll come back to the contingency and you don't get
• 23:31
  stacking early on like that's controlled.
• 23:34
  It goes to shit later on in the race because people like their
• 23:38
  races fall apart and then you get the fast people to catch up
• 23:41
  with those. You basically need double the
• 23:45
  amount of wooble spaces as you need skiers because you need to
• 23:49
  prepare for the fact that you're going to have double.
• 23:51
  The skier. Great.
• 23:52
  Yeah, like you say. And I think that that's one of
• 23:56
  the issues though is having that amount of infrastructure and
• 23:59
  preparing that amount of judges is nonsensical because for 90%
• 24:02
  of the time, that's not going to be a problem.
• 24:04
  It's just the 10% of the time that it is.
• 24:06
  And I think one of the things that's really difficult, and I
• 24:08
  discussed this with my double S partner, was with the solution
• 24:12
  that they currently have, which is they put you in a pen and a
• 24:15
  lot of people get concerned because they're like, well, my
• 24:17
  time is going to be massive. The pen is set up like it's
• 24:20
  another station. So you cross a mat on the floor
• 24:22
  and your chip stops. And then when you get told where
• 24:24
  to run, your chip starts again. So like they do cover that and
• 24:28
  that time comes off. However, that's unfair because
• 24:33
  what I would have done and what I told my partner was if we're
• 24:36
  in that, for whatever reason, we're letting everyone go ahead
• 24:38
  of us. Get as much rest as.
• 24:39
  Possible. As much rest as possible.
• 24:40
  We'll come out, we'll smash 100 wool bulls, I'll get my Red Bull
• 24:43
  patch and we'll go that. That shouldn't be a thing.
• 24:47
  But for me, I'm like, I get what you're saying and I saw lots of
• 24:51
  people posting about it. I would be, I get the, the idea
• 24:55
  that you can, it's unfair because you're getting some rest
• 24:57
  and as a result you can probably push hard on the warbles.
• 25:00
  But for me, I'm just like, it's less about that and it's, it's
• 25:02
  ruined my actual authentic time because it's not Hyrox then
• 25:08
  because it's Hyrox plus an interval at the end because
• 25:11
  you've got some added rest. So I can, I, I, I fully
• 25:14
  understand why people are upset about that.
• 25:15
  And there should have been, I think the way they handled it
• 25:18
  was, was good. They had that plan just in case.
• 25:21
  But that should never have happened in the 1st place and,
• 25:24
  and never have happened to the extent it happened.
• 25:26
  And they should have learned. I know for Berlin, it was, it
• 25:28
  was because of the weather, but they should have had a
• 25:31
  contingency because of the weather anyway.
• 25:32
  And I think over the course of the next couple of days in
• 25:34
  Berlin, they covered the warble stations to make sure that that
• 25:39
  that wasn't a problem like that was caused by weather.
• 25:41
  They didn't have weather issues inside in the Excel.
• 25:44
  So it's like you're, you're planning for 40,000 athletes.
• 25:48
  How have you not thought of this?
• 25:50
  And it's like. Interesting point here.
• 25:56
  Cool. I just, I basically come up with
• 25:57
  this idea on the spot. OK in an Iron Man Yeah.
• 26:01
  And you have cut off times. Yeah, interesting.
• 26:06
  You consider having cut off times.
• 26:07
  So like by you need to have done the burpees within an hour and
• 26:11
  if not, unfortunately like you're unable to carry on.
• 26:13
  Yeah, you get pulled off the course.
• 26:15
  I think that was a bit savage for an event that is supposedly
• 26:18
  open to all the public. The only thing is if we are
• 26:20
  talking about here, it's a huge, massive what if scenario if you
• 26:24
  had both sides of the XL and you had like 1 is open and one is
• 26:29
  pro as different sides. And then you have a cut off for
• 26:33
  the pro because maybe like having cut off for the pro makes
• 26:36
  sense. Yeah.
• 26:38
  And then for the open, there's no and it's just lighter weight
• 26:41
  and and whatever. Maybe that's the way to.
• 26:43
  I think like I think it is moving in the right direction.
• 26:46
  I think making the switch towards you can only qualify for
• 26:49
  World champs off the back of racing pro.
• 26:51
  Like that was as in originally a stupid idea that you could
• 26:55
  qualify without racing Pro and then go to world Champs and have
• 26:58
  to race pro. So I like that that's and I like
• 27:01
  that maybe the pro division starts to become a little bit
• 27:04
  more like the elite level and open is, like you said, a bit
• 27:08
  more accessible. But like, I don't want to sit
• 27:10
  here and question the event organization because the high
• 27:13
  rocks always do 99% of the time a really amazing job.
• 27:19
  And the scale that they're dealing with and the growth that
• 27:22
  they've dealt with over the last couple of years, like you can't
• 27:24
  knock that they're doing their best and they're they're
• 27:27
  probably clutching at straws to kind of get everything together
• 27:30
  with the scale of their operation and the guys who are
• 27:33
  running it like they're super smart.
• 27:34
  They all have experience in hosting marathons or doing Iron
• 27:38
  Man events, that kind of thing. So like they obviously know what
• 27:41
  they're doing and it's in, it's if it's still in its infancy and
• 27:44
  it's still teething. So like the fact that we got to
• 27:46
  go and see the event in London is kind of cool.
• 27:49
  I've got FOMO that I didn't actually race by.
• 27:51
  I think next year it will be like it'll be the next biggest
• 27:54
  one. Like I don't know why the UK
• 27:55
  races are so competitive and so popular.
• 27:59
  I don't, yeah, I don't know over other nations why that's the
• 28:02
  case. So like all of like Birmingham's
• 28:04
  always super competitive, Manchester's super competitive,
• 28:07
  Glasgow's competitive, one of the biggest events as well.
• 28:09
  Like all over the UK, they're hosting like the biggest events.
• 28:13
  Yeah. No, no, it's very true.
• 28:16
  As a quick run through of of our race, first main take away we
• 28:21
  spoke about in the last episode, I didn't get wrapped out so
• 28:25
  pretty gassed. Congratulations.
• 28:27
  Thank you annoyance of our which was completely undeserved.
• 28:32
  We spoke about the, the whole like race prep thing.
• 28:35
  I I think there is an element of me just not thinking I'm as fit
• 28:38
  as I probably AM, and I've been there's the.
• 28:41
  Or there's a comparison somewhere.
• 28:43
  Yeah, there's there's the classic thing of like
• 28:45
  consistency beats anything else. And I think in there's an
• 28:50
  element of race experience is a massive helper in this.
• 28:53
  I don't think with the level of fitness I currently have, if we
• 28:55
  look at a year ago I'd have been able to do that, but I've raced
• 28:59
  like 10 times since then, so I know where to push, I know when
• 29:01
  to not push. That's like, invaluable.
• 29:03
  Experience and then on top of the fact that I don't
• 29:09
  necessarily feel like I've been doing crazy training, I haven't
• 29:12
  really missed much training. Like even when I've had to
• 29:15
  adjust training, I've still trained.
• 29:17
  And I think I've probably been far more true to that than I was
• 29:21
  maybe last year where I was doing all the hard sessions, but
• 29:24
  not necessarily doing the bits in between that were needed.
• 29:26
  I've been doing like the really honest work and that clearly
• 29:29
  pays off. Yeah.
• 29:31
  But in terms of like our race strategy, I said like we started
• 29:34
  the back and then we basically could just, you could run the
• 29:39
  runtime you wanted because you knew how far you have to run,
• 29:42
  which was really helpful as well.
• 29:44
  And pacing wise, just stayed below that, like Red Line the
• 29:48
  whole time. And then on the stations, I know
• 29:52
  having filmed Emily race quite a lot, I know where her strengths
• 29:55
  are, like, so I know when I can push her and when.
• 29:58
  Probably not. So very early on, the ski of
• 30:01
  strategy was fine, all good sled push.
• 30:05
  We'd agreed to basically do 5050.
• 30:06
  I'd do slightly more of each length, but yeah.
• 30:09
  And my thinking was she's more conditioned for the compromised
• 30:11
  running, so she'll finish it. We did the first 3.
• 30:15
  She was like, I'm not doing the last length.
• 30:17
  And I was like, yeah, cool. That's on me.
• 30:19
  So, so we survived that and then coming in to the sled pool, she
• 30:23
  was like, oh, I feel bad for doing that to you.
• 30:27
  Don't worry about doing the first length of sled pool on
• 30:29
  your own, which was the plan. And I was like, now this is my
• 30:32
  thing. Like I, I like this one.
• 30:34
  I'm doing it. So we did that, did the first
• 30:36
  one on my own and then we split the rest.
• 30:38
  Burpees. This is where she comes out.
• 30:40
  Please carry me. So I was like, you do 10 for
• 30:42
  every five that I do. And I think she ended up, she
• 30:46
  was like, I think I've done 13. And I was like, OK, cool.
• 30:51
  I think I only did like three sets of five the whole time,
• 30:53
  maybe four sets of five. But some I actually don't know
• 30:57
  who it was. Someone was watching and was
• 30:58
  like, I guess you don't look bad doing burpees when you only do
• 31:01
  5. And I was like, sick.
• 31:03
  This is what that's what I. Needed.
• 31:05
  Yeah, this is what I think. Now I'm never doing more than
• 31:06
  five. And then like after that, what
• 31:10
  else happened? That's such a backhand conflict.
• 31:12
  Yeah, I know. But I was actually really happy.
• 31:14
  I was like, oh, I look. Good.
• 31:15
  Wow. Surprising, yeah.
• 31:18
  Row we chilled, like really really chilled.
• 31:21
  Was happy about that. Emily slightly mugged me off by
• 31:24
  getting off the roll well before she was supposed to be done.
• 31:27
  But whatever is what it is. I however had my first time
• 31:31
  having a gel and it not sitting right and I felt violently I'll
• 31:37
  coming off their own machine and there's a lot.
• 31:38
  You can do about. That there's nothing, there's
• 31:40
  nothing. And The thing is you're racing,
• 31:41
  so it's like you have to keep running fast.
• 31:44
  But halfway around the next run it started eventually started to
• 31:47
  clear and I got the second win that I needed.
• 31:49
  Farmers carry. We didn't go, it didn't go to
• 31:53
  like the original plan and no difference in the time.
• 31:56
  Sort of expected. Lunges is probably Emily's best
• 32:00
  thing is, which is great because it's definitely one of my worst
• 32:03
  things. So she started to finish that.
• 32:05
  But this was something. And if you are a client of mine,
• 32:09
  you got the same benefit from what I figured out while we were
• 32:12
  racing, which is on the lunges with the course, the lunge bag
• 32:17
  was back against the grain of the rock.
• 32:19
  So and the rocks out of the lunges was like 5 meters the
• 32:23
  other way. So I gave Emily the bag with
• 32:26
  about 5 meters left of lunges and then I immediately just
• 32:29
  started walking to the rocks out, which when she had to run
• 32:33
  the other way after finishing and they catch me back up.
• 32:36
  But because I had walked, I'm obviously not going to cross the
• 32:39
  out of the rocks out because then we get a penalty if it was
• 32:41
  too far between. But I got about 20 to 25 seconds
• 32:45
  walking rest while she was fine because I'd done the bulk of the
• 32:49
  lunges towards the end I was feeling great.
• 32:52
  So we absolutely sent the last run and then the wobbles.
• 32:55
  I said to her like I'm coming in and I will only be able to do 10
• 32:58
  or 15 is how hard I want to run DIF 15.
• 33:01
  And then we basically just chipped to it until we were done
• 33:03
  and. Wobbles is always fine in a
• 33:05
  double S isn't it? Because it's just like.
• 33:07
  I think if you're quite, if you're going for a time with any
• 33:11
  double s when you are coming into the wool wools, you know if
• 33:14
  you've got your time or not because like it's only going to
• 33:16
  be 32nd difference Max from from whatever you think.
• 33:20
  But we genuinely didn't know. Like we'd love to have gone so
• 33:24
  far, but near us actually said it before the race because we
• 33:28
  weren't that bothered. But when we came off the lunges,
• 33:31
  we ran out the rocks and I said to Emily, like, what time are we
• 33:34
  on? But I didn't, I didn't know I'd
• 33:35
  ruin my watch. And she was like, I think we're
• 33:38
  on 51. And I was like, oh shit.
• 33:41
  Like it's not even like always on.
• 33:44
  It's like it's kind of on. Like.
• 33:46
  We're going to have to go. It's the one where you don't,
• 33:49
  you don't want to hear that. Yeah.
• 33:51
  It's like you. It's either really on or it's
• 33:52
  really off. We didn't speak until we crossed
• 33:55
  the line and all I heard for that last run was behind me and
• 34:00
  I got about halfway around that run.
• 34:02
  I have, I have gone off this run too hot.
• 34:05
  And then I, yeah, fortunately managed to hold it together.
• 34:08
  But yeah, so we did it. It was really good.
• 34:10
  It was probably the most calm I felt in a race and the most
• 34:15
  like, relaxed and yeah, enjoyable.
• 34:18
  It's, it seems honestly like when I raced in Birmingham, I
• 34:21
  was just chilling and I had such a good time and run the best
• 34:24
  time I've ever run. But I, what I wanted to say was
• 34:27
  also like, you had a plan, plan A and then you also then had to
• 34:33
  adapt and, and be fluid and have like a Plan B because shit will
• 34:37
  naturally happen. And like that's the best thing
• 34:40
  in in double S. When I was in Birmingham on the
• 34:42
  sandbag lunges, I started going and my partner behind me sauce.
• 34:46
  All I could hear was like, yeah, go on, you're doing great and
• 34:49
  I'm lunging. I'm lunging.
• 34:50
  I'm like, well, I'm still lunging.
• 34:51
  I'm like, I reckon she's going to take the bag anyway.
• 34:54
  All I'm here is that you're doing so good.
• 34:55
  I'm like, that doesn't sound like the kind of person who's
• 34:58
  going to take the bag off me. So I'm like, I'm, I'm someone
• 35:01
  take the bag. It's really funny.
• 35:03
  Like you say, when when Emily jumps off the rower, you're
• 35:05
  like, bro, what the fuck? Yeah, I don't want to do that.
• 35:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like I was rowing as well in
• 35:11
  Birmingham. I'm like, I'm kind of tired.
• 35:12
  I'm just going to get off. So what?
• 35:15
  What are you going to do about it?
• 35:16
  But genuinely, like if, if, if you're a person that somehow
• 35:19
  listens to this podcast without having done a high work before,
• 35:22
  I thoroughly recommend doing a double s first because it is
• 35:24
  quite a lot of fun. You don't necessarily have to
• 35:25
  put the pressure of getting a certain time on or whatever, but
• 35:28
  also like you can have a massive disparity in fitness and still
• 35:31
  do quite well. Yeah, I, and there was a few
• 35:33
  double s that I filmed this weekend where it was there one
• 35:36
  of them's first time and one of them done like 10.
• 35:39
  And they still for a first time, their friends will be looking at
• 35:42
  them like, how did they get that time?
• 35:43
  And like, they got carried, but they still did their bit and
• 35:47
  they still had a good time. You still had to do all the
• 35:48
  running. Exactly.
• 35:49
  That's the big thing. So yeah, no, I, I really enjoyed
• 35:52
  it. I kind of got FOMO.
• 35:54
  I really wish I could race again while I was there.
• 35:56
  But it has definitely given a sprinkling of the bug back to
• 35:59
  us. Yeah.
• 36:00
  Which I really need. Yeah, I really need, yeah.
• 36:02
  Off the back of that, I'm just so motivated now to go and race
• 36:05
  again and get some faster. Times very, very motivated to
• 36:08
  find places that people don't know about because the times are
• 36:11
  absurd and this is something you actually wanted to mention the
• 36:15
  top 15. Top 15 pro double S men top 15
• 36:19
  times were all sub 53 minutes. Like London specifically as
• 36:23
  well. That's just a joke, like an
• 36:25
  actual joke. Yeah, like the top time sub 50
• 36:28
  like it. And that's not uncommon now, no,
• 36:30
  for pro double S men's in my heat in Birmingham, Jake and
• 36:34
  Charlie ran sub 50 and I'm just like, it's just mental that
• 36:38
  that's the new norm. Whereas you look at the at the
• 36:40
  back of last season, still running sub hour people like,
• 36:44
  yeah, that's really respectable and like getting under 58 and
• 36:47
  closer to down like 56 event. These are really fast times.
• 36:52
  But now if you're not running sub 5655 for pro men, men's
• 36:55
  double S people are like, yeah, there's there's no room for you
• 36:59
  in the chat. So it's like the the level of
• 37:04
  performance in these events have has like really skyrocketed
• 37:08
  recently. And I think that's just
• 37:10
  testament to the fact that more people are doing the sport and
• 37:13
  more people are getting into it from a better performance
• 37:17
  background. Yeah.
• 37:18
  Shows like, was it Luke Greer? Is that his name?
• 37:20
  Yeah. Luke Greer won the men's pro,
• 37:22
  which announced British record. I'd not heard of him before.
• 37:26
  No, but he, yeah, he came in, beat a lot of relatively well
• 37:30
  known names that were then on in the early fifteens.
• 37:31
  They're not in Australia because the next major race is.
• 37:35
  This weekend, This weekend coming.
• 37:37
  And so yeah, it's, you still get new names pop up and you still
• 37:40
  get new speeds. But interestingly.
• 37:42
  Continue to happen. Luke Luke Greer was this is some
• 37:45
  insider knowledge for the big race in Birmingham where it was
• 37:49
  Jake Williamson, Jake did and Charlie Watchwell all in that
• 37:52
  heat. Luke Greer was in that heat and
• 37:55
  for those people that were there, they'll know about this.
• 37:59
  But for those that won't, those three well known names in the
• 38:03
  sport went out hot, like fast. And I was watching him go around
• 38:08
  with a smile on my face. I was like, this is going to be
• 38:10
  sick. I'm filming Charlie, so I'm by
• 38:13
  ski number one waiting for him because I know he's at the front
• 38:16
  of those three. This skinny runner dude just
• 38:20
  runs down. Charlie's not inside.
• 38:23
  And that's the classic like everyone's look at each other
• 38:24
  like he's gone too fast. This is first time.
• 38:27
  Goes into so push comes out so push first goes into sled pool.
• 38:31
  Now he starts to get caught up. But he I was talking to him
• 38:35
  after the race with Charlie and he was like, I knew you guys
• 38:37
  were going to get me on those stations and just had to get.
• 38:40
  But even by the burpees, he pulled it back because his
• 38:42
  running was so good yeah and I can't remember what time he
• 38:44
  managed to get in Birmingham, but he really wasn't far off.
• 38:46
  But the limelight was so heavily on Jake did and and Charlie,
• 38:49
  because they were so close at the end, yeah, everyone kind of
• 38:52
  forgot about him. But those guys.
• 38:54
  And other names like Sean Noble ran really well in Birmingham
• 38:57
  all. Those names are off in Sydney
• 38:59
  now. Yeah.
• 38:59
  So he got to come in in and just run his race on A1 lap course
• 39:02
  for which is great for running and there he goes and sets a
• 39:05
  British record and also really incredible.
• 39:07
  He set a British record. I don't know if you saw his
• 39:08
  finish. He got done by the 100th Hubble,
• 39:12
  did he? So he threw it up, ran, had to
• 39:15
  come back and do it again. So like he's he's.
• 39:17
  Going to be. 5 or 6 seconds, but just also 5438 I think his time
• 39:21
  was. So yeah, another name to watch,
• 39:24
  but there's also talk about how the early 15 qualifications
• 39:28
  going to start having to change because the numbers are so tight
• 39:31
  and and like finding fast and slow courses.
• 39:34
  There needs to be specific ones you can and can't race at or
• 39:37
  heat to get into an elite 15. It's a bit elusive.
• 39:40
  It's a bit like the way I try and describe it to people who
• 39:43
  know. It's like, you know how you make
• 39:45
  the playoffs in college football.
• 39:47
  It's just like there's a group of people.
• 39:49
  So people decide based off like what they think like, what who
• 39:52
  they like. Definitely no extortion going on
• 39:54
  in there. So it's like, I don't think
• 39:56
  there's that much extortion hierarch, if any, but who knows?
• 40:00
  You know, I don't want to assume, but it does feel a
• 40:02
  little bit like that. It's a bit like subjective where
• 40:05
  it just needs to be objective. And it's like, this is how you
• 40:07
  qualify for Elite 15. And I'm sure the sport will
• 40:10
  advance and grow into a more kind of structured qualification
• 40:13
  system. But it's nice now to know that
• 40:15
  like anyone could run consistently fast times and
• 40:19
  become an elite pro level high officer.
• 40:22
  Do you know what I mean? It's cool.
• 40:24
  But yeah, it's, it's it's, it's cool to see the sport advance
• 40:27
  for sure. Well, talking of ways to get
• 40:29
  better and get to that level, we have a little bit of
• 40:33
  announcement in that the next SIM, yeah, yeah, we've got the
• 40:38
  dates booked. We've got a plan to be doing 3
• 40:41
  in the first three months of next year.
• 40:42
  But the one that you need to circle in your calendar right
• 40:45
  now is January the 4th. So if you are racing Manchester,
• 40:49
  which is 2-3 weeks, just after that towards the back end of
• 40:53
  January, it's 21st to the 25th, pretty good opportunity to get a
• 40:57
  run in, see what's going well, see what's not going well, tune
• 41:00
  it up. Especially if you've had a nice
• 41:02
  rest over Christmas, you don't want to kind of get hit the
• 41:04
  ground running. I think also if like off the
• 41:07
  back of London you're chomping at the bit to be more, or maybe
• 41:11
  you weren't satisfied with your performance in London.
• 41:13
  It's so accurate to an actual race.
• 41:16
  That it's such a good opportunity to do that and and
• 41:19
  we'll we'll be posting a lot about this.
• 41:21
  Like we're very smug about it. He's gonna.
• 41:23
  So this had to come up because like we, we've said before about
• 41:26
  the accuracy and we mentioned one particular race result from
• 41:30
  Birmingham versus the SIM time and there was like 4 or 5
• 41:33
  seconds between the two. This is not a stand alone thing
• 41:38
  though. Yeah.
• 41:39
  I mean, I, I can probably list off four or five people who came
• 41:43
  to the SIM. When did we do that?
• 41:45
  In November, end of November, who came to the SIM in November
• 41:48
  and then ran in London and was, were finished in London within
• 41:52
  about a minute of their SIM time.
• 41:55
  And that's just like there's no other Sims that are doing that.
• 41:58
  There's no other SIM that does all of the stations, all of the
• 42:02
  run length and yeah and factors in rock zone as well.
• 42:06
  So like we're pretty happy with it's going to make pretty smug
• 42:09
  with the way that it's being created.
• 42:10
  But we spent a lot of time actually making sure that it was
• 42:14
  the best because we don't want to sit here and go Oh yeah,
• 42:16
  obviously it's the most accurate because that's what everyone's
• 42:18
  going to say about the same. This is the literally the best
• 42:20
  thing you. Can do yeah, I think marketing
• 42:23
  is massive these days but they're like, this isn't even
• 42:25
  marketing No, that's what I love about it it's like we don't
• 42:28
  we're not saying stuff for the sake of saying it we're saying
• 42:30
  it just because we want you guys to know like.
• 42:33
  You can go and do a SIM and the SIM actually isn't the
• 42:38
  simulation because it's not the same thing.
• 42:40
  How can you have a simulation which isn't the same thing where
• 42:42
  you're doing C2 bike or you're doing something different over
• 42:45
  here and the runs aren't the same and you get a time and it's
• 42:47
  like, Oh, well done, you did it in 41 minutes.
• 42:50
  Yeah, if you went to higher OX and did 41 minutes, you're the
• 42:52
  fastest person ever and probably will ever be.
• 42:55
  So it's like we need something that's a little bit more
• 42:57
  accurate. And, and another thing that
• 42:58
  we've mentioned here is in, in the previous episode with one of
• 43:01
  some of the risks of people getting injured or not being
• 43:04
  physically prepared enough for these events.
• 43:05
  You can go and do three of those Sims and you do 41 minutes of
• 43:08
  intense exercise and you get there.
• 43:10
  And in actual fact, you have to, your time is like that's nearly
• 43:14
  doubled, but your body is not ready for that.
• 43:16
  You're not ready for that mentally.
• 43:18
  So you, you need to be doing proper length simulations And
• 43:23
  one of the things that I said to you, I worked out the the
• 43:26
  difference. This is super nerdy.
• 43:28
  You guys are used this to the point, but I worked out the
• 43:30
  difference between people's SIM times that we were seeing with
• 43:33
  us and their real race times. The tolerance is 0.01%.
• 43:38
  Now for reference, that's not just a very small number, but
• 43:40
  coming from an aerospace background that is a more safe
• 43:44
  tolerance than most of the aircraft you take on holiday.
• 43:47
  So we're pretty confident with it.
• 43:49
  I'm pretty happy about it. You're confident to go on
• 43:51
  holiday in an airplane then? Exactly.
• 43:54
  Anyway, we need to move on, wait before we do.
• 43:57
  Just a moment for Angus spending four full days in the Excel over
• 44:01
  this. Weekend.
• 44:02
  Oh my word. OK this is actually thank you.
• 44:05
  Perfect segue. Grind my gears.
• 44:10
  Spending that much time in a convention centre or in itself
• 44:12
  grinds my gears. However, the next London High
• 44:16
  Rocks is 9 days. Oh my God, nine.
• 44:20
  So what I did, Angus is going to be making money the next day.
• 44:24
  I think Angus is going to be spending money on therapy.
• 44:27
  I think that's what's going to be going on.
• 44:29
  But the first one, Mike is is because they have changed it
• 44:32
  this season with your race band doesn't get you entry anymore
• 44:36
  into the rest of the event. I had to wear, well, I didn't
• 44:42
  have to keep you on, but I did 1, 234 and five bands for the
• 44:50
  four days that I was in there. So I'm going to look like a pimp
• 44:54
  in London in March, whatever it is, when I've got 9 days
• 44:58
  straight of this going on. But yeah, that grinds my gears
• 45:02
  and it grinds my gears. It's going to hit people out
• 45:04
  because, yeah. Keeping your higher OX wristband
• 45:06
  on. You've said it.
• 45:07
  Before I'm keep. No, that's got to be a thing.
• 45:09
  Oh, for the other nine days, yeah.
• 45:13
  That's OK, but anytime after the event's done, if you're still
• 45:17
  wearing it like the week after being like, hey guys, I raced
• 45:19
  high rocks. Oh yeah, no, come on, mate.
• 45:21
  Yeah, maybe. Maybe when it first started, but
• 45:23
  not now, Not now. But yeah, I'm going to have like
• 45:25
  a sleeve of them on that. I've never seen the.
• 45:28
  Blue one we like the blue one the blue.
• 45:30
  One, actually the first time I ever saw the blue one was Elite
• 45:34
  15 spectating. All right.
• 45:36
  And I got that in Glasgow earlier this year, Flex.
• 45:39
  So if anyone is in the business of borrowing bands for whatever
• 45:43
  reason, we do not do not advocate that, but our DMS are
• 45:47
  open. If you want to know who is
• 45:49
  anyway terrible, we've got some writings from you guys this
• 45:52
  week. We love having you guys write.
• 45:53
  And if you weren't aware that you could do that, you can
• 45:55
  always do it. You don't necessarily need to
• 45:56
  wait for a story. So hit us up at Mindsets under
• 45:59
  score podcast. Or if you want to be really,
• 46:01
  really formal, you can e-mail us as well.
• 46:04
  No one has done that yet, but if you do that, that's really cool.
• 46:06
  Check the mindsets. E-mail.
• 46:08
  Yeah. Oh cool.
• 46:08
  I have push notifications on. Yeah, most of the time it's bop
• 46:13
  to spam. But yeah, anyway, we've we've
• 46:16
  got a few that have come in. We'll stay on the hierarchy
• 46:19
  scene for now and we'll move away from it.
• 46:20
  The first one that I've got is that you know how cheerleaders
• 46:27
  always go to World Champs and we've said like a lot of people
• 46:30
  go to World Champs and Hierarchs?
• 46:31
  Well, also in the same way that every cheerleader seems to win
• 46:35
  at World Champs, there are constant world records in
• 46:39
  Hierarchs every weekend as well. Yeah, there were multiple world
• 46:43
  records this weekend again in London.
• 46:44
  I think it's just like that's natural with any new sport.
• 46:50
  But it's it's because it's because you can get world
• 46:52
  records across age groups. Yeah, which I and it's like the
• 46:55
  same thing when we spoke about this report.
• 46:58
  I want to. Yeah.
• 46:59
  I want to just stay clear of the cheerleading thing.
• 47:02
  You guys know who you are. I'll stay clear of that.
• 47:05
  But it's like the NBA when you're the world champion, but
• 47:10
  you only play American teams, you know.
• 47:12
  So it's the same kind of, but I, I like that you can get a world
• 47:16
  record and there's something to aspire towards, but there's just
• 47:20
  age group world records and then there's certain categories.
• 47:23
  So you've got pro double s, you've got mixed double s,
• 47:26
  you've got all different types of world records that you can
• 47:28
  get, which over time you'll see less and less of them because
• 47:32
  for sure the the sport will grow and everyone will get super fast
• 47:35
  and then they'll like, I'm sure when they first invented the 100
• 47:39
  meters every other week, yeah, that was a world record because
• 47:42
  everyone was getting to know about it.
• 47:44
  It's like, well, I'm fast, I'll try it.
• 47:45
  So yeah, I I can understand why it's a bit frustrating, but
• 47:48
  it's. Yeah, I mean, and, and on that,
• 47:50
  the one that specifically set this person off was another
• 47:53
  relay world record. Oh, someone sent this in.
• 47:55
  Someone sent this in. So the the one that sent them
• 47:58
  off was that the men's relay world record got broken, which
• 48:02
  is also a mental time, 45 minutes.
• 48:04
  Unbelievable. Which is crazy, but I think was
• 48:07
  I think 2nd place would have also roping the original world
• 48:11
  record having. In the same race.
• 48:12
  Yeah, in the same race. So it's like both teams could
• 48:14
  say we broke the world record and then it's like, actually,
• 48:17
  yeah, yeah. So a bit of a mess.
• 48:20
  Then another one about high rocks.
• 48:22
  High Rocks being on weekdays. Yeah, having to take annual
• 48:25
  leave your high rocks race, literally, that's why you race
• 48:28
  pro and then it's in the evening and then you don't have to take
• 48:29
  their work. That's so true.
• 48:31
  That also ground a lot of at women's years this week.
• 48:34
  I had people come up to me and say this because the women for
• 48:36
  the first time ever had a very late race on the Friday.
• 48:42
  Some of the waves are being set off after 9:00 PM, which is way
• 48:46
  too. Yeah, that's too late like.
• 48:48
  And and that again just points towards like there's too many
• 48:51
  people buy the tickets, so we'll give them them.
• 48:53
  Yeah, it's crazy. I've got a High Rock specific
• 48:55
  one. This is something that I had
• 48:57
  never seen before. OK, doing your make up in the
• 49:02
  finisher pen before you do your official photo.
• 49:05
  Oh wow. Isn't it?
• 49:07
  Yeah, That's that's a lot. That that's a lot.
• 49:11
  OK, I'm not saying, hey, there's nothing wrong with makeup and
• 49:14
  look in your bags, but I think yeah, that's.
• 49:17
  Like some That's my way to your process planned to give your
• 49:20
  makeup bag to a spectator who's then going to meet you at the
• 49:24
  finisher pen to give you the makeup bag for you to then sit
• 49:27
  on the floor whilst everyone else is finishing and grabbing
• 49:30
  little bits of banana and drinking their water and you're
• 49:32
  sat on the floor. Little mirror brush.
• 49:37
  I don't know how it works, but doing a makeup that's that is
• 49:40
  mental. I'm going to protect myself here
• 49:42
  because I don't want to say that makeup's bad and that women
• 49:44
  can't look their best. I'm not saying that at all.
• 49:46
  That sounds like it. What I'm going to say instead is
• 49:49
  that's an ick. So that's yeah.
• 49:51
  That's an it. Right.
• 49:52
  OK, we'll go down that. Yeah, I feel like my grind, my
• 49:55
  gears are slowly just becoming X OK, fair.
• 49:57
  I think it's the same thing. My final higher specific one,
• 50:01
  this one's from me is a kind of a bit nerdy as well, the Q
• 50:07
  engineering. So for the people that don't
• 50:10
  know, Q engineering is a legit, I think there's a whole industry
• 50:14
  about it for events because like you really have to be able to
• 50:17
  control what people do and manage it.
• 50:20
  But you really have to understand the psychology of
• 50:23
  people. And we've spoken about it before
• 50:25
  with people bringing things like prams in and stuff like that.
• 50:27
  But one of the really. Cool things is that's really
• 50:30
  annoying at this venue. Yeah, one of the things that I
• 50:32
  always used to complain about, and a lot of venues they still
• 50:35
  have it is the sort of halfway system where you cross halfway
• 50:38
  of the run course and then there's people managing that and
• 50:40
  it's just a shit show. It doesn't work.
• 50:43
  They've now gone down the bridge route.
• 50:44
  When they started bringing bridges in, the bridges would
• 50:46
  fall apart and then you'd have like 10 people on the bridge at
• 50:49
  a time. And it would just, it would take
• 50:51
  forever to get over the bridge. And they haven't accounted for
• 50:52
  that. And they'd only have one bridge.
• 50:54
  And it's just a mess. Annoyingly, while the bridges
• 50:59
  are now stable enough to take whatever and they don't need
• 51:01
  people letting you up and down, there is still only one.
• 51:04
  Yeah, which is a bit of a problem.
• 51:06
  And I think one of the big things that was pissing people
• 51:09
  off this toilets, the toilets there should be an athlete
• 51:12
  specific entry. I had this whole thing mapped
• 51:15
  out. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:16
  So from warm area to. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:19
  If there isn't a toilet available to the warm up area,
• 51:22
  there should be an athlete private specific toilet area.
• 51:24
  Do you know what the best venue I've ever been to was?
• 51:26
  Birmingham. Birmingham was by far the best.
• 51:28
  There was access to to toilets from the warm up.
• 51:31
  Area. The stairs were falling apart
• 51:33
  there. Malaga's pretty good.
• 51:36
  Is it for having toilets specifically only in the warm up
• 51:39
  area? That's great.
• 51:40
  Just call them. I mean, they're probably stink,
• 51:42
  but could you not have like portaloos in the warm up area?
• 51:44
  Yeah, you could have something. The the the main point about the
• 51:47
  Q engineering though, is that there is there is some thought
• 51:51
  process that goes in before an event and you're if you're there
• 51:54
  on a weekday, it's quieter with respect and you're like, they've
• 51:57
  really thought this route that. Thank you, this is great.
• 51:59
  Like there's so much space. Then Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
• 52:02
  come along. Oh, Friday evening, Saturday and
• 52:04
  Sunday come along and it's mental.
• 52:06
  And the problem is they have sometimes made adjustments that
• 52:10
  use a relative degree of logic. However, the people they have
• 52:13
  designed it for do not have the same logic.
• 52:15
  And so you have people joining the well designed queuing area
• 52:20
  to cross the bridge to film the friends start and leaning over
• 52:26
  the fence. And now you've got a queue to go
• 52:28
  up the stairs and most of the queue then actually once the
• 52:31
  person starts, it's going to run all the way down to the other
• 52:33
  side of the area. They're going the opposite way.
• 52:34
  It's yeah, yeah. If you're a person, use some
• 52:38
  logic that. Was so specific to this venue
• 52:40
  though. Yeah, I saw that happening a
• 52:41
  lot. But like, it's that sort of
• 52:42
  thing where an adjustment gets made and the full thought
• 52:45
  process isn't there because you assume that no one's going to be
• 52:47
  that dumb. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:49
  And people are always that dumb. It's such like a culture shock
• 52:51
  where you you've come on maybe like Thursday, Yeah.
• 52:54
  And then you arrive on Saturday and you're like, this is a
• 52:57
  completely different event and I don't like it.
• 52:59
  If you're over simulated on a weekday, do not go a weekend.
• 53:03
  Weekends. Yeah, I'll go.
• 53:05
  What more Hyrox ones? No, I'm done with Hyrox now.
• 53:07
  I had something, but then I forgot about it.
• 53:08
  But there's the one I've been waiting to say.
• 53:11
  I can't believe I'm going to put this on the Internet.
• 53:14
  I am. I grind my gear.
• 53:17
  OK, so rewind all the way back to when we did the gimmick
• 53:21
  episode. When we went we went to town on
• 53:24
  nose strips. I slept in a nose strip around a
• 53:29
  week ago and was honestly the best sleep I've ever had.
• 53:33
  It is. So first of all, it doesn't help
• 53:37
  your performance. There's science behind that,
• 53:38
  whatever. However, I will agree sometimes
• 53:42
  you put one on or you can you can smell in 4D.
• 53:46
  No, I'm smelling colours man. It was crazy honestly.
• 53:49
  I put it on instantly. I was like.
• 53:51
  Oh, wow. At one event, if I'm, if I'm
• 53:53
  like congested or something like that, I put one of those on and
• 53:55
  I'm like, like, can you hear that?
• 53:58
  When you put a nose strap on, you can't hear yourself breathe.
• 54:01
  It's just silent. Yeah.
• 54:03
  I haven't done it since, despite having such a good night's
• 54:05
  sleep, because I just, I gave myself the air cars like I
• 54:08
  cannot do this. You only get addicted to it
• 54:10
  either. That's like, well if you get
• 54:11
  used to wide nostrils because when you take it off, how saggy
• 54:14
  do your nostrils feel? That's the problem.
• 54:16
  It just suddenly feels like you can't breathe.
• 54:18
  That's the problem. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 54:20
  The last one that I've got was also sent in but is actually a
• 54:24
  topic for us because we were with this person.
• 54:29
  Christmas time specifically, but calories on the menu.
• 54:33
  So. Back.
• 54:34
  Story for this I think we wound a few people up with that we we
• 54:37
  did because I don't. Care, but no, like generally I
• 54:40
  don't care because and we spoke about this, we it.
• 54:42
  Was funny though We. Probably trained enough to like
• 54:45
  get it off, but we were out for dinner and we saw on the menu
• 54:50
  that there was a what was it? A creme brulee?
• 54:54
  But it wasn't a creme brulee. Thing it was like a tiramisu
• 54:56
  creme brulee. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 54:58
  It was like, yeah, it was like a hybrid of the two with a bit
• 55:00
  shortbread on the side and it came to 1476 calories and we
• 55:06
  didn't want it anyway. There was no way it was but.
• 55:09
  There's no way it can be that many like this.
• 55:10
  This feels like a made-up number.
• 55:11
  But at Christmas time with all the roast dinners and
• 55:14
  everything, the calories on menus are crazy.
• 55:16
  And I, I'm so torn. Should they be there?
• 55:21
  Because I think they should be, to give people informed
• 55:23
  decisions. And the impact it had on me?
• 55:26
  Yeah. Immediately changed what I
• 55:28
  wanted to eat. Yeah.
• 55:28
  Yeah. And I still can't decide if
• 55:30
  that's good or bad, because it's supposedly unhealthy to be
• 55:34
  controlling what you eat by a number.
• 55:35
  But at the same time, I'm like, actually, while I would enjoy it
• 55:39
  more if I didn't know I'm going to enjoy what I'm having more
• 55:44
  that I have to. Yeah, because I know I'm not
• 55:46
  fucking myself. And it's the thing, yeah, it's
• 55:48
  such a hard one. I like, I don't want to deep it,
• 55:50
  but if if I have been training at the time because I'm not
• 55:54
  really training at the moment, I wouldn't have even given it a
• 55:56
  second thought. But seeing the numbers on that,
• 55:59
  on that many specifically, those numbers were made-up.
• 56:02
  There's no way that roast was that many calories.
• 56:05
  Well your your roast was like 1000 calories more than mine and
• 56:08
  there wasn't much difference between.
• 56:10
  The two, so whatever. But yeah, it was like, it
• 56:12
  definitely made me think like, that's like eating a Domino's
• 56:16
  Pizza. And, and from the perspective of
• 56:18
  like the chef who puts the menu together and then someone goes
• 56:23
  by the way, mate, that, that one, that one day she's 2200
• 56:28
  calories. That's more than, you know, a
• 56:30
  woman's recommended daily consumption.
• 56:33
  You happy with that? Well, probably not because like
• 56:36
  that person's probably not going to eat only that all day.
• 56:39
  I'm, I'm going to have to find a way to reduce portion size or
• 56:42
  reduce calories. Otherwise, people just aren't
• 56:44
  going to get it. And like the site.
• 56:46
  So Long story short, Creme, I, I ordered.
• 56:51
  Yeah, we, we were so upset with how many calories were in this
• 56:54
  what was probably going to be a tiny dessert like everyone was
• 56:57
  asked. This poor waiter had no idea
• 56:59
  what was going on. So I was like, I'll take one for
• 57:01
  the team. I'm going to order it just so we
• 57:02
  can see it because we asked the waiter, we don't want it, but
• 57:05
  can you, can you get us a photo? Well, we asked him how big it
• 57:07
  was and he was like, I don't know.
• 57:09
  And we were like, can we do twice?
• 57:10
  And he was like, I'll go investigate.
• 57:12
  But then so then, so then I was like, OK, right.
• 57:14
  So the only way around this, we'll order 1.
• 57:16
  He comes back about 5 minutes later saying sorry guys, there's
• 57:20
  no more or creme brulee. So for sure he's gone back to
• 57:23
  the kitchen and there's been load of creme brulees, but he's
• 57:26
  gone. These guys are a bit weird.
• 57:28
  They're asking, they're asking for the numbers and yeah, yeah,
• 57:31
  yeah. And the chef's just panicked and
• 57:32
  gone. Yeah.
• 57:32
  There's no way it's that much. Yeah, he, he's, he's looked and
• 57:35
  gone. Look, it's it's, it's been this
• 57:37
  big and he's like, there's no way there's 50. 8 He's like
• 57:39
  this, doesn't that, Yeah, fuck it, I can't.
• 57:41
  It's easier for me to say there's not one.
• 57:43
  So he came back and said, yeah, there's no Creme Brulee, so
• 57:45
  we'll never know. Maybe I'll go back.
• 57:47
  Yeah, we should go back. Let's do it and that's just
• 57:51
  we'll order just one because that's pretty much our calories
• 57:53
  assumption for the day. We'll have to share.
• 57:54
  Yeah yeah okay, well that brings the end of grind my gears.
• 57:58
  And now normally we fill this bit with eating something guys
• 58:03
  the next. Episode is quite big episode we
• 58:04
  couldn't eat anything because of the amount of calories on the
• 58:07
  weekend. Yeah, we've had far too many.
• 58:10
  We are doing a Christmas slash New Year's special next time,
• 58:14
  which means we want input, but we're also going to be eating
• 58:17
  Christmassy things, trying your favorite.
• 58:19
  So if you've got something specific in whether it's a meal
• 58:21
  deal or like a a go to snack that you have a Christmas, maybe
• 58:25
  around your training, whatever, let us know.
• 58:27
  We do want to try them. We want to have a plethora of
• 58:29
  things. There's going to be multiple
• 58:31
  games in the next episode. There's going to be very
• 58:34
  specific Christmas topics, not so much hierarchs or specific
• 58:38
  fitness, but we will be talking about those.
• 58:41
  Obviously it's the premise of the podcast, but we want to know
• 58:43
  what grinds your gears at Christmas and New Year's.
• 58:47
  I know I've got far too many already.
• 58:49
  I it's, it's actually ridiculous.
• 58:50
  I remember recording the New Year's resolution at the
• 58:53
  beginning of this year, and just like that seems like yesterday.
• 58:55
  Yeah, terrible. So make sure we write in so we
• 58:58
  don't repeat ourselves from that episode.
• 59:00
  But we have got a new game today and I am so gassed about this
• 59:05
  because I have invented what is possibly the next billion dollar
• 59:09
  game. He even messaged me last night
• 59:11
  being like, all he said was this game's amazing.
• 59:13
  OK, So what I'm hoping is while you guys are not playing is that
• 59:18
  you can enjoy the tense parts of this game.
• 59:23
  So have you ever heard of Dungeons and Dragons?
• 59:27
  I've heard of it. It's kind of nerdy, kind of
• 59:30
  weird, but I don't fully know how to play it.
• 59:34
  But I understand the premise. It's using guys using chance to
• 59:37
  navigate a story. However, welcome to hybrids and
• 59:42
  Rockstars. This is a game based off
• 59:44
  Dungeons and Dragons using dice where you and I and whoever else
• 59:48
  wants to play is racing at high rocks.
• 59:52
  So what we're going to do is we're going to go through each
• 59:55
  run and each station one at a time.
• 59:58
  We're going to roll one dice each.
• 1:00:01
  The first ice if. That's the rules with Oh no, no.
• 1:00:05
  No, it's so easy. I've ran out.
• 1:00:07
  It's so much time has went into this, it's stupid.
• 1:00:10
  The first ice is first die is going to give you your time for
• 1:00:13
  said run or said station. So that corresponds to a number
• 1:00:16
  of minutes, sure. The second die that you roll is
• 1:00:20
  an impact on that. So this is where the chance
• 1:00:23
  comes in. So for example, on your run
• 1:00:27
  impact, if you roll A1, unfortunately you missed the
• 1:00:31
  rocks in and ran an extra lap double your runtime.
• 1:00:35
  However, if you were to roll A6, hybrid Rockstar mode activated
• 1:00:39
  half your runtime. OK, right.
• 1:00:42
  That is an example, and there's bits in between for 1234 and
• 1:00:46
  five on runs, and then there's some grouping on the.
• 1:00:49
  Stations the scalability of this game when we do sell it to the
• 1:00:52
  public. Yes.
• 1:00:53
  Oh, by the way, this is patent pending.
• 1:00:55
  Can you would you change the scenario?
• 1:00:57
  It's never going to be the same thing.
• 1:00:58
  It just depends on who's you have like a a hybrid rock stars
• 1:01:04
  leader for each game. Yes.
• 1:01:05
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:01:06
  Which is you? You're the master.
• 1:01:08
  Yeah, you have. You have AJ an MC.
• 1:01:11
  Oh cool. Yeah.
• 1:01:13
  So that's basically our now there's a few things that we
• 1:01:16
  need to do. First of all, we're both going
• 1:01:18
  to roll the well, both die, so you can roll first.
• 1:01:23
  What we're doing here is we're deciding who's got the better
• 1:01:25
  warm up. I'm running them both at the.
• 1:01:27
  Same time. Yep, now whoever rolls the
• 1:01:29
  highest warm up score. So Charles just rolled 2 fours.
• 1:01:32
  That's 8 or the maximum score 12 we are rocking.
• 1:01:39
  So the certainly doubt score means that I win a wild card.
• 1:01:45
  The wild card is very simple. It's just that I can at any
• 1:01:48
  point in the game one time ask you to re roll.
• 1:01:51
  Oh cool, OK nice. And only one die.
• 1:01:54
  OK, OK, but when we roll now it's going to be 1 at a time, so
• 1:01:58
  it's going to be runtime and then and then your impact score
• 1:02:01
  OK and I'm going to make a note of what each of us score as we
• 1:02:04
  go along to to find our final high rocks times right OK, so
• 1:02:09
  you. You're rolling along at home,
• 1:02:10
  right? Yeah, so hybrids and rock stars.
• 1:02:15
  Hybrids and rock stars, OK, you can roll the first die first.
• 1:02:20
  So your first run or 6 minutes, it's a long first run will give
• 1:02:24
  you the benefit of the doubt. OK, now you can roll your second
• 1:02:27
  eye. I mean, at least it's accurate
• 1:02:29
  to real life. Oh dear.
• 1:02:32
  Oh oh, you missed the rocks in and ran an extra lap double your
• 1:02:35
  runtime. Conveniently, that's what
• 1:02:39
  happened. A year.
• 1:02:39
  Ago to you, almost to the day. Almost.
• 1:02:42
  Too so ironic. OK, that is not the strongest
• 1:02:45
  start. You're not going to be setting a
• 1:02:46
  world record like that. At least you're in the grinding.
• 1:02:49
  Again, it is so funny that that hasn't been engineered right so.
• 1:02:55
  Oh, my first one was a one. No.
• 1:02:58
  OK, do. You want me to re roll?
• 1:02:59
  I rolled both by accident. Sorry.
• 1:03:00
  OK roll the first one again. My runtime is 3 minutes solid
• 1:03:04
  and my impact 2 not great. You clearly went out too hot.
• 1:03:11
  Your legs aren't feeling very fresh anymore.
• 1:03:13
  Add 2 minutes the runtime. OK, so I'm on five.
• 1:03:17
  OK, you can roll for your ski erg now.
• 1:03:20
  God, this is a long game. That's why we didn't do a filler
• 1:03:23
  between the earlier years and this.
• 1:03:25
  So a four, OK. So 4 impact score impact.
• 1:03:28
  Score. It's a 2.
• 1:03:30
  It's a 2 so you you stop skiing early but the ski only went to
• 1:03:35
  999 meters when you ran off at a minute.
• 1:03:38
  So 3-3 minutes is a wait. What did you roll 2?
• 1:03:41
  Four and a 2. 2 was the second one, Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  So it's only three minutes on the ski.
• 1:03:45
  Ug. How are you working that out?
• 1:03:46
  It's. Pretty good.
• 1:03:49
  What? Well, you've got 2 minutes on
• 1:03:51
  the ski. Ug, there's your time.
• 1:03:52
  Oh, that's the impact. Is minutes.
• 1:03:54
  Oh, sorry. That's my minutes is 4.
• 1:03:57
  Your minutes is 4. Your impact was two.
• 1:03:59
  You're you add a minute so I'm 5.
• 1:04:00
  So you're 5. Sorry.
• 1:04:01
  Yeah, thank you. Don't gaslight me.
• 1:04:04
  Thank you for being on top of this.
• 1:04:06
  OK, so my first role 6, that's not great for this Geo 6
• 1:04:12
  minutes. OK, one much worse down for 10.
• 1:04:18
  Butterfly technique, jumping up and down, add 2 minutes.
• 1:04:21
  So I've just had an 8. Stuff for the poker that's
• 1:04:24
  that's really tough. That's good.
• 1:04:26
  OK, so first ice is always your it's always your time.
• 1:04:28
  It's always your time. Fine.
• 1:04:29
  So this is my run. Two run 2-3 minutes.
• 1:04:32
  That's solid. OK.
• 1:04:33
  And your impact score 5, this looks good for me.
• 1:04:36
  OK, you're someone's been training, compromise running.
• 1:04:39
  Take a minute off your time. Is it so 2 minutes for my first?
• 1:04:43
  Yeah. Wow, that makes up for my that
• 1:04:45
  this this sounds a lot like Stockholm.
• 1:04:47
  Yeah, it does. It does, right.
• 1:04:50
  So first one for me 5 not great 2 this is for.
• 1:04:55
  Sure, catching on. You're having a good time.
• 1:04:57
  You clearly went out too hot. So I'm I need to add 2 minutes.
• 1:05:00
  So that's a 7 minute run. Wow, we're actually quite close.
• 1:05:03
  You're on 23 minutes, so I'm on 20, so I'm.
• 1:05:05
  Still doing a great start as well.
• 1:05:08
  So two-minute, 2 minutes. Sled push.
• 1:05:11
  Sled push, 2 minutes. That's pretty good.
• 1:05:12
  That's pretty good. Oh no, all dear one impact
• 1:05:16
  score. You've never done this exercise
• 1:05:17
  before today. Double your time. 4 minutes
• 1:05:20
  could be worse. I'll still take that. 4 minutes,
• 1:05:22
  I'll still take that. God, I'm going to play this so
• 1:05:25
  much. Yeah, you're so.
• 1:05:27
  I'm so pleased with myself. I've been enjoying it one
• 1:05:29
  morning. OK, so 3 minutes from my sled
• 1:05:32
  push and the impact score a four, That's pretty good.
• 1:05:36
  Imagine trying to play this at Christmas with your family.
• 1:05:39
  You can you. Can.
• 1:05:40
  It's patent pending though, so don't steal it.
• 1:05:43
  So for a four on the sleds average, average turf, average
• 1:05:48
  sled athlete, I can keep my time.
• 1:05:50
  It'll take you 4 minutes. No, 3 minutes.
• 1:05:52
  No, 3 minutes. Sorry.
• 1:05:54
  OK, you're run three, run 3. Here we go.
• 1:05:57
  You're good. You've rolled A6.
• 1:06:00
  Not ideal. Give me give me impact six.
• 1:06:04
  OK, yeah, you missed the rocks in again, so you can double your
• 1:06:06
  runtime. Limit.
• 1:06:08
  So 39 minutes now, it's not going to be a wild, you know
• 1:06:12
  what? I really hope to God Nathan
• 1:06:14
  Bagby is watching his mod cast shout out.
• 1:06:16
  I've also just rolled A6 for my run and I've rolled A5 however,
• 1:06:21
  so five. I've been training my compromise
• 1:06:23
  running so I can take a minute off.
• 1:06:24
  OK, so 5 minutes. Still not great.
• 1:06:26
  Still not great. All right, So what?
• 1:06:29
  We're doing sled pool now. We're on sled.
• 1:06:30
  Pool give me something good 4 minutes I'll take it that's
• 1:06:33
  right are we racing pro because I.
• 1:06:35
  Can take that yeah yeah, 22 bad sled lane and you keep falling
• 1:06:41
  over. You can add 2 minutes. 6
• 1:06:45
  minutes. To be fair for racing pro I'm
• 1:06:47
  taking it really. Not for the falling over but I'm
• 1:06:50
  taking 6 minutes. OK, that's a four.
• 1:06:54
  Yeah, and a two, you're also falling.
• 1:06:58
  I also am falling over we. Got the same.
• 1:07:00
  Time then I did actually fall over in London, by the way, that
• 1:07:02
  wasn't my fault and I didn't step on the rope.
• 1:07:04
  For those wondering, the rope got caught on the sled and when
• 1:07:06
  it undid, all the slack came back and I fell over.
• 1:07:08
  It was really embarrassing. I can't believe you have minted
• 1:07:10
  it so I know. So that was a six minutes.
• 1:07:14
  So I'm on say 4. We're on run four.
• 1:07:17
  We're on run 4. Coming up to the burpees now.
• 1:07:20
  Oh, a one minute run. Let's see what happens. 2 So
• 1:07:27
  yeah, you went out too hot. So it's a 3 minute run.
• 1:07:29
  Yeah, still take that. Yeah, you've, I'm taking.
• 1:07:32
  It yeah right, a 3 minute run with.
• 1:07:36
  Oh, hybrid Rockstar activated hybrid, right?
• 1:07:39
  I can half my time, so that's a 1 1/2 minute run.
• 1:07:42
  That's so convoluted. I really wish I hadn't done that
• 1:07:44
  because counting has just got so much higher.
• 1:07:46
  OK. So what are our overall Times
• 1:07:48
  Now going into the going? Into the beppies.
• 1:07:49
  You're on 48 minutes. You're near our supposed cut
• 1:07:52
  off. I'm on 35.5.
• 1:07:57
  Jake and Charlie are finishing their war.
• 1:07:58
  Balls. OK, so we're on to the burpees.
• 1:08:03
  Fine, that's not right, that's not not great.
• 1:08:07
  Oh however he's just rolled A6 so your mates a judge and lets
• 1:08:12
  you cheat you can half your time.
• 1:08:13
  Perfect. So 2 1/2, right.
• 1:08:16
  That's good. I'm taking that all.
• 1:08:17
  Day long. I'd be so happy with 2 1/2.
• 1:08:19
  That's a leap. That is a leap.
• 1:08:21
  A one minute burpee time for me. If this is a six I.
• 1:08:25
  Can half my time again. That's a 32nd burpee.
• 1:08:28
  Cheers mate for watching me cheat.
• 1:08:31
  OK unbelievable. I'm actually pretty proud of my
• 1:08:34
  time so far. What are you on?
• 1:08:35
  I'm on to run 5 on 36 minutes. That's OK.
• 1:08:37
  It's all right. Yeah.
• 1:08:38
  OK. So run five, Yeah.
• 1:08:40
  One minute run, one minute run. Let's strong.
• 1:08:42
  Let's go. Oh, a one I've missed.
• 1:08:47
  You've missed. You've missed the number of laps
• 1:08:49
  again. So you need to double your
• 1:08:51
  runtime, which is still. I'm taking a team.
• 1:08:53
  I need a team. That was good.
• 1:08:55
  That was good. Yeah.
• 1:08:56
  OK, First first roll here. You can't go wrong if you roll
• 1:08:59
  A1 for the run. No, you can't. 3 is all right,
• 1:09:01
  three and a six, so I can half it. 37.5 and we're into the row.
• 1:09:10
  I like row. Give me something three minute
• 1:09:14
  row. Sounds bad.
• 1:09:18
  Yeah, six. Wow, your hybrid Rockstar mode
• 1:09:22
  activated by you half your time. 1 1/2 minute row. 1 1/2 minute
• 1:09:25
  row. I needed that.
• 1:09:26
  That's crazy. That's good for the program so.
• 1:09:28
  You're on now 54 minutes. So what am I doing?
• 1:09:34
  A 6 minute row? Not ideal at a three.
• 1:09:38
  What does a three mean? I'm pretty average.
• 1:09:41
  I can keep my time. OK, so right.
• 1:09:46
  So where are we at though? Because I must be, we must be
• 1:09:49
  close. 54 minutes. I'm on 43 point. 5010 minutes.
• 1:09:53
  Yeah, I've got to do some making up.
• 1:09:54
  You've got to do some making up. What's this?
• 1:09:56
  Run 6. This is run 6.
• 1:09:58
  A22 minute run. Good come.
• 1:10:02
  On and A1. Double it.
• 1:10:05
  I'm getting the hang of this game now, aren't I?
• 1:10:06
  You're not getting the hang of the number of laps though.
• 1:10:09
  I'm. Taking a 4 minute run.
• 1:10:11
  A 4 minute run. OK.
• 1:10:12
  Sounds about right. Yeah, that's fine.
• 1:10:16
  Let's see though. And a four was four we had
• 1:10:20
  you're placing your runs well, keep your run score.
• 1:10:23
  OK, so. You're making this up as we go
• 1:10:25
  along. It's literally on the screen in
• 1:10:28
  front of me. OK, so now we're into farmers
• 1:10:30
  carry. We are into farmers carry.
• 1:10:32
  Give me a one. However, sorry for Farmers
• 1:10:35
  carry, your first dice roll is for 30 seconds, not one minute,
• 1:10:38
  because Farmers carry is a much shorter station.
• 1:10:39
  OK. Technicalities, yeah.
• 1:10:42
  So 3 minutes because you've just rolled A6.
• 1:10:46
  Well, it's better than doing a six.
• 1:10:47
  At farms carry, that's for sure. And A5 and A5.
• 1:10:50
  So give me farms carry unbroken. Take a minute off your time.
• 1:10:53
  I'm taking it so 2 minutes. 2 minutes, that sounds about
• 1:10:56
  right. That's good.
• 1:10:56
  There you go. We're something to get integrity
• 1:10:58
  in this game similar to our Sims.
• 1:11:01
  OK, so first ice for me a three. So that's 1 1/2 minute.
• 1:11:06
  That's pretty good. That is good.
• 1:11:09
  You don't like? To see you have the grips that
• 1:11:12
  grip strength of an infant child double your time.
• 1:11:15
  So I've got a 3 minute that's. Still your take it.
• 1:11:18
  It's pretty much the worst it can be.
• 1:11:21
  It's not but. Oh, it could be.
• 1:11:23
  Worse. It could be a lot worse, right?
• 1:11:27
  Run seven, run 70. We're getting close.
• 1:11:30
  We are crunch time. 4 minute run, 4 minute run, followed by
• 1:11:33
  the impact of three. That's not good, is it?
• 1:11:36
  So. Oh no, there's no fast lane
• 1:11:37
  police and you find yourself caught in a busy track.
• 1:11:40
  Add one minute to your runtime. So is that a 4 minute?
• 1:11:43
  Run 5 minute run. Oh sorry, 5 minute run.
• 1:11:46
  OK, this could be well OK, my run a 1 to one minute run,
• 1:11:51
  that's huge. And a two.
• 1:11:53
  OK so I need to add 2 minutes. That's a 3 minute run, all
• 1:11:57
  right. Lunchtime.
• 1:11:58
  Lunchtime. This is where I usually die in a
• 1:12:01
  race. What?
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  See that catch? Watch that on YouTube.
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  That was actually amazing. Can I roll again?
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  Yeah, no one on YouTube can see that either.
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  That happened off the table. Yeah, but you would have, you
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  would have heard it if it hit the floor.
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  All right, OK. That was God.
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  I'm athletic. He he comes in with a one
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  minute. Lunge, he is athletic and A5.
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  This is good. This is big for the program.
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  Those overpriced lactate buffer supplements and their placebo
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  effects are working wonders. You can take 2 minutes of your
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  time. A minus time.
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  A minus time. That's unheard of in high rod,
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  so you're. Getting rid of a minute.
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  I'm getting rid of a minute. Wow.
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  I'm happy with that. I'm glad I got a minus.
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  I think that's. Actually one of the only times
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  you can do that, so you've nailed it.
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  OK, my lunges 2. Minute lunges.
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  That's huge. Three.
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  What's a three on lunges? Not terrible.
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  Keep your time. How many times are you getting
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  that? I'm just average run 8, So 50.
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  Run 8. 5 minutes. 5 minutes. I need AI.
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  Need a Rockstar. What's that?
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  Hybrid Rockstar Activation 4/4. Give me something.
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  Your average. Keep it.
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  Yeah. You're pacing your runs where
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  you can. Keep it. 5 minute run.
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  OK, OK. I've got a 4 minute run.
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  That's good. 6 Hybrid Rock stars 2 minute run.
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  That's big. OK, so you're coming to the
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  wools on 69 minutes pause. You're I'm coming to the wools
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  on 59 1/2 minutes. Oh, it's 10 minutes in it.
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  We've got the wools to do and then we've got a double dice
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  roll for the rock zone. Oh, OK, fine.
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  OK. Out of the integrity of the
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  game. Yeah.
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  You still can get me to re roll. I can, yeah.
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  You haven't forgotten that. I haven't forgot.
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  Just wanted to make. Yeah, I haven't forgotten.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I wondered if you're going to keep it.
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  I mean I I I only need it if I need it.
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  One minute warble. I might be using it don't.
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  Be there, don't be. There, give me no, no, I want
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  you to re roll that right now. You're absolutely the worst guy
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  I. Don't want to like if I wait for
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  the impact I can only ask you to re roll the impact.
• 1:14:17
  A 4 minute warble, that's still not bad.
• 1:14:20
  Oh, actually a bit sad. 55 though, I needed that.
• 1:14:24
  I needed that. OK, well done.
• 1:14:26
  You went unbroken buried with the wobbles.
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  Take two minutes of your time. So 3 minute wobbles.
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  It's pretty good. Wait.
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  How many of the time? Oh. 2 minutes off.
• 1:14:36
  Yeah, 2 minutes off. So 2 minute.
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  Walls, you're on 69, so you're on 71.
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  That's a big finish. That's I'm a good high on the
• 1:14:44
  rock zone. Yeah, yeah, I know.
• 1:14:45
  I'm taking it though. You are notoriously good at rock
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  Zone. It became 2 minute wobbles good
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  and A5 as well. I think I've just done a 0
• 1:14:54
  minute wool balls so I've I've currently won sub hour.
• 1:14:58
  I'm on 59 1/2. That is mental.
• 1:15:00
  However, we've got a rock zone in it.
• 1:15:02
  Yeah, I can still lose if I roll A12.
• 1:15:07
  OK. And you roll a nothing so going.
• 1:15:12
  On SO I. Double dice, double dice.
• 1:15:14
  This is your rock zone. And I don't know what that means
• 1:15:16
  your. Your total dice is your rock
• 1:15:19
  zone time. This, this game is, is sick.
• 1:15:23
  Incredible. I'm quite happy about it.
• 1:15:24
  Unless you hate Irox. Yeah, and we are.
• 1:15:27
  This is more tragic than hundreds of Dragons by far.
• 1:15:32
  Oh lads 9 minutes 9 minute rock Zone 6 and a three.
• 1:15:36
  Say you've gone 80 minute irox. For your first time.
• 1:15:40
  For my first time. It's not bad.
• 1:15:42
  I missed a lot of it, hit insurance.
• 1:15:44
  I did a lot of extra laps. Five year rock zone.
• 1:15:46
  OK, so I've gone a 64.5 sub 65 you'll say unhappy with that.
• 1:15:54
  Let's just. Let's just assume we're.
• 1:15:55
  Working Yeah, well, welcome to Hybrids and Rockstars, soon to
• 1:15:59
  be available in all shops and Amazon near.
• 1:16:04
  You I want to be the face of the product.
• 1:16:05
  I want to be on the front of the box.
• 1:16:07
  OK, sure. We we'll both we'll both have
• 1:16:10
  Rabdo in the in the image. That should have been a, yeah.
• 1:16:13
  Scenario. Well, not that, right?
• 1:16:15
  Yeah, well, we might have. I kind of want the idea of
• 1:16:18
  chance cards. Oh, might bring chance cards
• 1:16:20
  into it guys. If you enjoyed that you want to
• 1:16:22
  be at home, then let me know. You best believe as soon as we
• 1:16:25
  stop recording this, we're going.
• 1:16:27
  Oh yeah, for sure. Maybe we'll bring it back and
• 1:16:29
  we'll have some different things that can happen.
• 1:16:31
  If you've got certain scenarios you want us to include and what
• 1:16:33
  the impact of that could be, then actually let us know,
• 1:16:35
  because I would. I really like this.
• 1:16:37
  This is really fun. It's actually really fun.
• 1:16:39
  So yeah. But the next episode, like I
• 1:16:41
  said, is the Christmas special. So make sure you give us
• 1:16:44
  something that you'd like to listen to.
• 1:16:46
  We may end up doing this in a Christmas Eve version.
• 1:16:48
  We will have, as I said, multiple games.
• 1:16:51
  So let us know your favorite ones of the year if you've been
• 1:16:53
  listening throughout. If you haven't, go back, check
• 1:16:54
  out those episodes, drop a five star review while you're there,
• 1:16:57
  share it with a friend and then go and watch them all again on
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  What on YouTube and subscribe when you're there as well.
• 1:17:03
  Charles, is there anything from you before we move into the full
• 1:17:06
  Christmas Eve next episode? I think just a big shout out to,
• 1:17:09
  well, everyone who raised high rocks.
• 1:17:10
  There were lots of people who did it their first time, which
• 1:17:12
  was really cool to see. But Rockstad, the most athletes
• 1:17:16
  or coach athletes, the most community members that we've
• 1:17:19
  ever had racing. So it was like a really
• 1:17:21
  successful, really big week for us as well.
• 1:17:23
  So just shout out to everyone who who smashed it basically.
• 1:17:27
  And shout out to everyone who doesn't like high rocks and
• 1:17:31
  listens. Anyway, thanks for not with us
• 1:17:32
  And. That's a tough episode, yeah.
• 1:17:34
  That was a tough episode, but the next one may be far more
• 1:17:37
  suited to everybody, so we look forward to seeing you there.
• 1:17:41
  See you in the next one.