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Legislating Our Bodies · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey, tolerators, listens to all the men I've tolerated before
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  Speaker 1: with Namdley Katona, your weekly look at everyday misogyny. Our
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  Speaker 1: guest today is Emma Laurent, who is a writer, has
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  Speaker 1: a background in working political campaigns, and is currently working
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  Speaker 1: her ass off to protect reproductive freedoms in Wyoming. Reproductive
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  Speaker 1: rights are our topic for today, and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: touch on what we can all be doing to make
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  Speaker 1: our voices heard during these trying times and upcoming election cycles.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here. Emma, Hi, Hello, Hello, Hello.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you give us a little bit of an
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  Speaker 1: introduction and background on your work in politics and what
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  Speaker 1: eventually brought you back to Wyoming.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, born and raised in Wyoming.
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  Speaker 2: And for those of you who don't know, Wyoming is
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  Speaker 2: the small state in the Oldie Union. Only five hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand people live in Wyoming. So I, you know, grew
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  Speaker 2: up very much interested in human rights and civil rights
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  Speaker 2: and but was also just in such a small, you know,
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  Speaker 2: kind of your typical conservative state, except also everyone has
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  Speaker 2: cowboy hats on. So uh that kind of you know,
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  Speaker 2: led me to be like I really wanted to very
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  Speaker 2: much like rage against the Machine when I was younger.
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  Speaker 2: So I went to the University of Wyoming, which is
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  Speaker 2: our only university in the whole state, just so everyone knows.
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  Speaker 2: The options were you know, endless for me. And I
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  Speaker 2: was really lucky there because I I think because I
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  Speaker 2: was like one of the only like political science students
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  Speaker 2: that wasn't also like, you know, playing football, because I
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  Speaker 2: was kind of the major at the time. I think
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  Speaker 2: that they were shoving all the all the football players
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  Speaker 2: into I did really well, and I applied for this
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  Speaker 2: internship in Chicago was twenty twelve to work for the
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  Speaker 2: Obama campaign. And what I say is kind of like
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  Speaker 2: white girl firmative action, because they were like, ooh, no
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  Speaker 2: one from Wyoming has ever you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, no one in Wyoming can spell Obama. You're hot.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, but that's I did feel like.
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  Speaker 2: I was like finally, like I was like, oh, like
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  Speaker 2: like I got noticed. I got noticed, so I you know,
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  Speaker 2: I had to like leave school. I got on a
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  Speaker 2: people train to Chicago. I never knew that trains helped
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  Speaker 2: anything other than coal, and so that's why I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe I get to ride a train and
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  Speaker 2: it was it was the best. And so that's so
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  Speaker 2: I will now forever and always have like a really
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  Speaker 2: soft spot in my heart for Chicago. Chicago was like
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  Speaker 2: really the first city I ever interacted with it in
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  Speaker 2: such an intimate way. And so I, you know, moved Chicago,
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  Speaker 2: got this internship, you know, had a lot of trials
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  Speaker 2: about learning to ride the public bus and uh using
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'd use my compass a lot in the
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  Speaker 2: city because I just didn't understand like north, south, east,
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  Speaker 2: east west. And I got asked to join the campaign
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  Speaker 2: officially after about a month and by seeing yes, I
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  Speaker 2: think I remember has been really really dramatic for me.
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  Speaker 1: I was like.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, like because I thought in that moment, I was
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  Speaker 2: like deciding my entire life, because I think that's my
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  Speaker 2: like vergo rising in me, that every every decision must
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  Speaker 2: mean something. And it was a little scary because I
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  Speaker 2: did have to officially drop out of school to join
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  Speaker 2: the campaign, and I know kids do that now, I
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  Speaker 2: think kids like takeap years and blah blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 2: But that just like was not I didn't know anyone
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  Speaker 2: who had ever done that, and it really meant like
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  Speaker 2: giving up scholarships et cetera, et cetera. But I was
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  Speaker 2: like kind of like fuck it, like you gotta I
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  Speaker 2: do the thing, right. So anyway, I moved Florida. That's
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  Speaker 2: a whole book in itself about a little Whyman girl
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  Speaker 2: on the coast of Florida, Uh, encountering like working for
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  Speaker 2: the Obama campaign at the age of nineteen, when you know,
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  Speaker 2: I really done nothing in my life at that point,
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  Speaker 2: but that's what got me started on campaign, So that's
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  Speaker 2: all to say. And so that was like my big
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  Speaker 2: like and this isn't how I got involved, And it
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  Speaker 2: was truly because I was just I was volunteering at college,
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  Speaker 2: Like I was going to the Democratic Party and asked,
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  Speaker 2: you know, asking to be volunteer for them and be
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  Speaker 2: an intern for them. And eventually they had just introduced
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  Speaker 2: me to a gentleman at the time who was working
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  Speaker 2: for the Obama campaign in Wyoming. He was the only
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  Speaker 2: person that was ever going to be sent to Wyoming,
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  Speaker 2: and by just volunteering with him is how I got,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like the actual internship with the real campaign
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  Speaker 2: and all that jazz. So after that, I went back
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  Speaker 2: to school. I did finish school, but I been launched
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  Speaker 2: into my career, my life. I graduated at twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: I think I just turned twenty one when I graduated college.
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  Speaker 2: And then I was immediately on one campaign to another.
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  Speaker 2: And what that means, though, too is you are moving
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  Speaker 2: every ten months. So basically from nineteen on, I like
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  Speaker 2: moved to a different state every ten months until I
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  Speaker 2: was about twenty six and I was working for a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of other candidates, centorial candidates, but Goodnorial. My most
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  Speaker 2: proud though, will always be working. I worked for Hillary
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  Speaker 2: Clinton for two years and you know, worst years of
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  Speaker 2: my life and the proudest thing I've ever done. So
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  Speaker 2: but eventually, I honestly I had a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a wall when I was in DC these last few years,
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  Speaker 2: a beak just because of the political culture. You know,
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  Speaker 2: yes Trump and blah blah buck him, but also I
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  Speaker 2: didn't love that the work I wasn't doing, I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: see the results of it, like working day to day,
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  Speaker 2: and I was missing home in a way that I
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  Speaker 2: never thought I would be, because I truly had believed
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  Speaker 2: at one point that I walked out of Wyoming forever
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  Speaker 2: and was going to you know, do the little like
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  Speaker 2: little girl, big star kind of narrative, and I just
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  Speaker 2: found myself wanting to be home. So long story short,
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  Speaker 2: I came home this last January. Is the best decition
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  Speaker 2: decision I've ever made. And right when I did, there
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  Speaker 2: was this organization that was starting there called Yo United.
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  Speaker 2: They're who I work for now, and they were looking
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  Speaker 2: to really professionalize advocacy in Wyoming, and Wyoming is just
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  Speaker 2: it's such a different state. We're so small, so I
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  Speaker 2: think outside of the kind of the political scene everywhere
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  Speaker 2: else in the country, where IMAN just doesn't have the
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  Speaker 2: same resources, the same training, the same culture of volunteering
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  Speaker 2: as I've seen in other states across the country. And
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  Speaker 2: I just saw this is such a cool opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: really start from scratch and try to build something like
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  Speaker 2: I could really put my arms around and reproductive health
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  Speaker 2: if that's where I'm you know, there's so many issues
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  Speaker 2: that you can care about like I. You know, there's
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  Speaker 2: a list forever and forever forever that comes off. But
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  Speaker 2: I really since the dab's decision and realizing that the
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  Speaker 2: United States government truly in law do not see women
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  Speaker 2: as equal citizens, like that women are second class citizens,
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  Speaker 2: it's just become the number one issue that makes that
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  Speaker 2: keeps me up that night is thinking about reproductive health
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  Speaker 2: as by way of like of our citizenship, that my
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  Speaker 2: status as a human in this society is only determined
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  Speaker 2: by what my body can and cannot do. And I
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  Speaker 2: think growing up, you know, as a you know, millennial,
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  Speaker 2: is you didn't realize the sexism in day to day
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  Speaker 2: life when you were younger, Like, we just didn't. We
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  Speaker 2: saw girls on TV. We had Sabrina the teenage, which
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  Speaker 2: you know, I lived in the equality state, for fuck's sake,
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  Speaker 2: you know where we had the woman governor and it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't you know, it's not really until you get older
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  Speaker 2: that you really just start seeing the commodity you are
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  Speaker 2: to people and the day to day control people put
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  Speaker 2: over women's bodies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think for one thing, they've
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  Speaker 1: made reproductive freedom a one issue title. And what ends
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  Speaker 1: up happening is my brain explodes because, like very recently,
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  Speaker 1: someone was talking about their PMDD symptoms and like a jackass,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, oh, are you officially diagnosed or
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  Speaker 1: are you like me? And you're just tailoring a plan
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  Speaker 1: for yourself to feel well because you'll never get diagnosed
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  Speaker 1: because you don't have the time or the money to
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  Speaker 1: sit in front of a doctor and argue for days
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  Speaker 1: and years and months just to be told, yeah, your
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  Speaker 1: periods are really bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's bananas. I saw it was like
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  Speaker 2: it was like headline news. I swear, like two weeks
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  Speaker 2: ago and it was like going a call just finally
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  Speaker 2: taking women's pain seriously with IUD insertions, And I could
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  Speaker 2: not believe it was a top headline. But then again,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think about my my experience with IU assertions,
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  Speaker 2: and it's caustic, legitimate trauma that I didn't even know
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  Speaker 2: i'd had until very recently. I went to my my
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  Speaker 2: nurse practitioner, who's brand new. She's like my age. I
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  Speaker 2: just thought she was lovely, and she explained to me
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  Speaker 2: that what I went through for an IUD insertion, where
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  Speaker 2: people are physically holding you down to put it in,
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  Speaker 2: is called vaginal trauma and it's real. And she was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we have ways to numb you. I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: nobody tells me, abody that.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same with our yearly pap smear. Yeah, where
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  Speaker 1: it's like you're made to feel like a dork or
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  Speaker 1: a doe or a little bit for being like, can
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  Speaker 1: I have tayl and All before you scrape part of
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  Speaker 1: the inside of me away? And they're like no, and
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  Speaker 1: then they just do it. And luckily I had a
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  Speaker 1: nurse practitioner and a women's wellness clinic that was like
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  Speaker 1: quick about it and like But I also had a
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  Speaker 1: really traumatic when I had to go off my health
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  Speaker 1: insurance due to COVID unemployment. I had a traumatic experience
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  Speaker 1: where the woman like literally man handled me, called me fat,
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  Speaker 1: and then sent me on my way, telling me I
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  Speaker 1: was more on for thinky I had breast cancer because
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  Speaker 1: I felt a lump too close to my period, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well, no one tells us what our
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  Speaker 1: period does to our body. No one tells us.
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  Speaker 2: That's horseshit on so many levels. When I was sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: I had a lump removed from my breast, so like, mmm,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I guess this is a this is a
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  Speaker 2: this is format. I'm shaking my finger fingers, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: do remember that. God it was I was living in
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  Speaker 2: Chicago and I was on you know, I was buying
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  Speaker 2: my own healthcare at the time, and so they send
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  Speaker 2: you to like Chicago County Hospital. The lights are flickering
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  Speaker 2: like a fucking horror movie, right, and they just see
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  Speaker 2: women once a week and you just have to show
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  Speaker 2: up like on time on Tuesday at seven am and
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  Speaker 2: hope you can get in to see a no B.
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  Speaker 2: And the b that I was a scientie was this
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  Speaker 2: ancient old man, which fine, I don't care, it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: it's when he then looked at me and went, I
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  Speaker 2: have to have another nurse in here and all going forward,
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  Speaker 2: I need a babysitter. New you can start your exam,
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  Speaker 2: and then I had to be and then he only
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  Speaker 2: like did like my like my like vaginal and then
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  Speaker 2: I said, hey, can you check me for breast cancer?
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  Speaker 2: And he's like what, why, why do we need to
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  Speaker 2: do that? And he was like, well, let me go
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  Speaker 2: back and get my babysitter and he had to go
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  Speaker 2: get another nurse to come back in because he hadn't
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  Speaker 2: completed that as part of the exam. Like that's the
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  Speaker 2: state of women's health care is people who don't under
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  Speaker 2: like make too make us feel bad for wondering about
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  Speaker 2: our bodies.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and then if that, if the actual act of
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  Speaker 1: seeking healthcare as a woman isn't demeaning enough, you are
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  Speaker 1: standing in front of professionals in our legislative and government
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  Speaker 1: systems and begging them to take care, to take women's
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  Speaker 1: health care seriously, and are met with I'm sure a
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  Speaker 1: litany of language and stories that will keep me up
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  Speaker 1: at night, But are there any highlights you'd like to
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  Speaker 1: share about how these people in a political setting where
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  Speaker 1: they get to decide whether or not cancer screenings are free,
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  Speaker 1: or abortion is available, or there has to actually be
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  Speaker 1: so many hospitals, clinics, doctors' offices per capitave, per population
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  Speaker 1: share or whatever. How are they talking about my body
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  Speaker 1: when they're sitting in those meetings?
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  Speaker 2: Get ready, hold on to something. Where was a bill
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  Speaker 2: this lost session and it was called.
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  Speaker 1: What is a woman?
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  Speaker 2: And right, they're just trying to define pronouns and like
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  Speaker 2: what what is considered a woman? And all this bullshit
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  Speaker 2: that apparently matters so much too. You know, the day
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  Speaker 2: to day of people and how the how all the
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  Speaker 2: bills work is. You know, someone will write a bill, right,
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  Speaker 2: they will then present it to the committee that they
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  Speaker 2: believe it belongs in. But if this session woman has
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  Speaker 2: a very short session because we were just a sud
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  Speaker 2: In legislature, so in our general. We only meet every
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  Speaker 2: other year for general and then every other year is
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  Speaker 2: in our budget session. And so you have these like
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  Speaker 2: eight weeks to pass these bills. So the legislators, god
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  Speaker 2: bless them are you know? They are at committee meeting
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  Speaker 2: started at seven am. And then they go and tell
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  Speaker 2: they're released, and then they have to go home study study.
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  Speaker 2: Theoretically if for those many have told me they don't
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  Speaker 2: so that's fine. Yeah, many have told me they just
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  Speaker 2: don't do it. And then they get up the next
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  Speaker 2: morning and do it again, which is you know, really
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  Speaker 2: really really hard work. So then after that, if their
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  Speaker 2: committees are too clogged up, right, they will start sending
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  Speaker 2: bills to other committees. And the reason I say this
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  Speaker 2: is because what is a Woman Act? Was sent to
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  Speaker 2: agriculture and sobody got up, which is fine, we needed
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  Speaker 2: that bill. Someone needed to talk through that bill. But
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  Speaker 2: I sort of got a woman got there and said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad that this bill is an agriculture because
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  Speaker 2: we understand readers.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, why do women hate other women? Like?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, it was it was awful, and that you know,
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  Speaker 2: and there was another bill. There was so much this
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  Speaker 2: off session. There's there's another bill that recently has an
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  Speaker 2: Supreme Court injunction on it right now, so hopefully you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're waiting overall on the women Supreme Court to rule
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  Speaker 2: that abortion is legal. So but right now it's you
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  Speaker 2: can still get an abortion in the state. But so
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  Speaker 2: this last also during this last session, there was developed
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  Speaker 2: that was mandating women who were seeking an abortion must
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  Speaker 2: then not only wait forty eight hours, but then also
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  Speaker 2: must receive a vaginal ultrasound. Oh and let me walk
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  Speaker 2: you through all the things that are w on with
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  Speaker 2: that first. In Wyoming, we're talking total of eight healthcare
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  Speaker 2: clinics that for sure do like eight Title ten clinics
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  Speaker 2: that serve a rule population and with maternity, with cancer screenings, STIs,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera as part of the docket. Many places and
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  Speaker 2: what I mean now don't even have obs pas. They
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  Speaker 2: have to drive over an hour minimum to often go
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  Speaker 2: to just the doctor. And so if you do live
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  Speaker 2: in a town that has a good hospital system, let
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  Speaker 2: alone a hospital, you, uh, it's still hard to get
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  Speaker 2: healthcare with doctors who are going to talk to you
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  Speaker 2: with the full range of products that like products, but
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  Speaker 2: the full kinde of options that are available to you
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  Speaker 2: as a woman, and that's assuming you want to keep
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  Speaker 2: your baby right. And so this is so with this
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  Speaker 2: idea that you have to wait full for eight hours.
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  Speaker 2: So right, we're saying women have to figure out childcare,
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  Speaker 2: they have to take off work for two you know,
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  Speaker 2: take off work. They have to figure out how to
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  Speaker 2: often get four hours across the state. And we're talking
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  Speaker 2: mountain passes. We're talking you know, super icy deeper roads
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  Speaker 2: as you traverse eight thousand feet up one side of
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  Speaker 2: the mountain and have to go down another eight thousand
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  Speaker 2: feet like these are not your average conditions for you know,
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  Speaker 2: driving to another town to seek medical care. And so
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  Speaker 2: let's assume you do all that, you get there, they
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  Speaker 2: tell you got a way forty eight hours. Now what
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  Speaker 2: do you go back? Do you find a hotel? Can
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  Speaker 2: you afford to staying a hotel? Also, now you have
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  Speaker 2: an extra forty eight hours where you are being told
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  Speaker 2: by the government. But the government doesn't trust you because
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  Speaker 2: you are a woman, and the government doesn't trust you
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  Speaker 2: to make a decision, and so they really need you
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  Speaker 2: to think about it. And the law makers would say this,
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  Speaker 2: they're saying, yes, we absolutely want to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: they have to think about it longer, and that is
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  Speaker 2: it's so unjust because no man has to think about
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  Speaker 2: his medical decisions. You know, it's easier to you know,
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  Speaker 2: get a gun right in any other state than it
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  Speaker 2: is for a woman to seek an aborsham. So after
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  Speaker 2: a woman waits the forty eight hours, then she would
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  Speaker 2: then have to go under a trans vaginal ultrasound. And
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  Speaker 2: some of our lawmakers talked about how this is just
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  Speaker 2: a kin to what every woman just has to do
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  Speaker 2: anyway in her yearly visit is get poked by a
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  Speaker 2: wand that is the length of my arm, and that
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  Speaker 2: is just that's just part of it, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: that's just part of being a woman. And that's what
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  Speaker 2: was so frustrating was it's almost like we can't even
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  Speaker 2: start at step five of trying to explain why forcing
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  Speaker 2: a woman to undergo a vaginal transvaginal ultrasound to view
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  Speaker 2: a fetus that she doesn't want, because because our lawmakers
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  Speaker 2: are already just assuming that just to be a woman,
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  Speaker 2: why wouldn't you just feel pain, Why wouldn't you just
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  Speaker 2: be uncomfortable? Because that is that is just stepping in
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  Speaker 2: the door being a woman, And that is what is
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  Speaker 2: so hard is like in this movement, we are fighting
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  Speaker 2: to have these like constitutional conversations around like forcing women
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  Speaker 2: to do procedures. But then our legislators are just they're
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  Speaker 2: you know, eaten rice and pudd in and they're just
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: being like, yeah, what but what look like it's just
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: like we're fighting on two different intellectual levels, and it
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: is so hard. It is so hard. So half the time,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: like you go in there and you be like, let
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: me redo the constitution, and they the winding Constitution which
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: says that each sound an individual can make his or
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: her own health care decisions. And they'll come back and
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: they'll read it back at us and they'll be like,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: but this wasn't talking about abortion, and because.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: What if that fetus didn't have a chance to talk
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: about their own medical case?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Literally hilaric, and it's just and it's so it's just
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: so frustrating. And again it's like reproduct of health only
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: a fraction of what we're talking about has to deal
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: with abortion. It those just happen to be some of
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the most heroing stories that we're fighting for right now.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: But really what it comes down to is how people
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: think women should be treated in the healthcare system. The
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: fact that that senator State senator got up and said,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: this shouldn't even be an issue because women do this anyway.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Was one such a such a total misunderstanding of what
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: a sectional insure soundest. Yeah, and two was reprehensible because
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: she is a nurse. The State Center was a nurse
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: who said this and believes that our current state of
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: how we treat women in the healthcare system is just fine,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: just okay. And listening to just my story in your
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: story of like going to Obie appointments, and I would say,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: we're educated women who know a lot. We're still put
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: in these crazy, vulnerable moments, and so god forbid someone
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: who just isn't able to in that moment stand up
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: for themselves, because why would they. They're talking to their doctor,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: they're talking to their nurse who's supposed to trust and
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: protect them.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: It. It is so normalized in my own head and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sure the heads of others, that women's healthcare is
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: at most a circus. I went with my very trusted
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: nurse practitioner who had been doing my PEP smears four years.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I went in one day and it was when I
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: was teaching, and I was exhausted, and I don't know
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: if anyone else has taught. But some days you just
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: have days where you're dead inside, like you're just gonna
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: answer every question quickly so you can get to bed.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: And she asked me, Hey, Nadley, we have medical students
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: here today. Can one of them watch your exam? And
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I said sure, because I'm dead inside, and I guess
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I love Gray's Anatomy, Like yeah, I was like, yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: people got to learn. And my sister later, yeah, someone
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: has to follow along with me.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: How else is it going to happen?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: How else is there an elevator? Where's the Baneen elevator?
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: So my sister was like, Yeahlee, what do you be?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I go sob stirrups up like claps to the wind,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: all of it, and in walk walks this twelve year
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: old boy who's go going to be a doctor, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: he gets to listen to me tell my doctor what's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: going on with Gray's Anatomy and why I can't let
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: go of it? And I, because I'm a comedian, I
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: just start laughing and riffing on this feel like can
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: you imagine that I'm so tired that I ask you
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: of a pre phebus boy was going to be in
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: here for my vaginal exam, like actually, or did he
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: look twelve? He looked twelve? Like okay, I know how.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: You know, like how whenever they get new cast members
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: on Gray's Anatomy and you're like, that woman is eleven.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to clarify.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: He was not a teenager. Yeah, he was not a teenager.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: And like that happened in a doctor's office where I've
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: had nothing but good experiences and whatnot, and I was like, yeah,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: women's healthcare is a joke. Let the babies in to
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: come watch me do it, Like I don't know, or
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the fact that, like my best friend thought that it
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was perfectly reasonable because she had to because she had
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: no other choice to always have like her infant twins
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: in the middle of her breast exam, needing what infant
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: twins need because who else was going to hold them
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: if not her during her breast exam?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, it's it's what was it? I
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: saw some stat and I wish I could quote it,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: but I can't because when I said I saw some stat,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: it means I was listening to a podcast.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: In some of it, and someone said a number, and
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: someone said the.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Thing and I went and did they actually retarticle? Probably not.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: They didn't either, And but it was great that we
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: know more about how to get to the moon than
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: we know about women's foot to help let alone, let
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: alone women's pleasure.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah? Can we talk about how I literally know
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: nothing about menopause. I'm looking four years, actually three, because
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I'll be thirty six in December or thirty seven in December,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: so we're looking at three good years until forty and
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I and when people when people are like, hey, Natley,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: what do you know about premenopause, I'm like hot flashes
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the end whatever it's been portrayed as on TV. Yeah,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: my mother used to be so frustrated because every time
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: she went in for her yearly exam, they would tell
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: her that she had a youthful uterus, like one that
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a twenty year old would possess. And she's wanted nothing
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: more than to just be done with it and to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: have menopause.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Can we hold on? I wan to back up?
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: A youthful A youthful uss? Is she like.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Playing volleyball in there? Is she doing like cartwheels? Mom?
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Got shots in there?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: What what's a youthful uterus?
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, Mom, you have got to keep up
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: on your baby birth control because I am too old
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: to have a baby. Sith me, like, I'm just too
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: old to go through the eldest daughter bullshit again, So
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I need you to be on it. And she said
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that and I so then I started looking up things
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: on menopause, probably on TikTok, and someone told me that
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: you can be in paramenopause and that just means like
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the pre menopause, Like I kind of feel icky, but
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think that like I've lost all my eggs
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: or whatever happens up for up to seven years, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I'm convinced I'm in it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Probably are, I mean, there's any chances I could be.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I only know about perimenopause from again from the deep guy,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: from listening to Canadian to talk about what could or
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: could not be happening to their bodies. And I'm like,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: huh something, but to your point, like, no, no one
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: sits us down and goes let's talk about the metopause.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: No one set us down to even tell us about,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: you know, really, like how many holes I got there?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I remember, I tell the story.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Not the hole. Because this is embarrassing because I was
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: an adult too when I'm like holes, Well I wasn't,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: but I was.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I was twelve, I'd been on my period for maybe
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: a year, and I was on vacation with my mom
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and her friend, and you know, I went to the
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: bathroom and I was on my period and her friend
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: was like, what are you doing? And because I was
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: like work being out this dry campon, and I was like, well,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I got a peace, so I got to take out
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the tampon and she was like no, no, no, no,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: And then she just was like she's like, you take
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: it out every time you pee. I'm like, yeah, because
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it never No one had told me to that point
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: that we had two separate holes. Like everyone just assumes
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: you know this, but like we are so shamed to
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: even like look down at our vagina and explore. Let
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: alone understand and the difference between like through youthra which
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: is so teny little. Anyway, I just remember her like
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: calling out my mom bought them door and she's like, Gail,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: you're about to save a fortune on tampos.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: God. I love moments like that between women, when someone's
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: just screaming at another woman through a bathroom door. Hey,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: don't now worry that big box of tampoons is gonna
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Lask's gonna last.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: It's gonna last.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for giving me a reason to use
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: my southern accent today.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Well, shoot, I hope. I Sometimes I think people think
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: of this other accent. I think it's just country.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: No, it's country. Yeah, it's what we believe is country.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: But I'm sure people will listen to this and be like, oh,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: you have a southern accent.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I'll be like, because I was nervous and honestly, you
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: said Wyoming and I was like, I should talk into
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: in my drop dead gorgeous accent the rest of the podcast,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: and I was like, that's Minnesota.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what is geography, but talk not accent. I
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: loved the Top Dance and Paint Blushing the People.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: My favorite movie, and I never want gen Z to
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: see it because they'll be so angry about everything that
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Bake stept movie fantastic. But yeah, like I don't know
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: anything about menopause. I don't know anything about and like
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I had sex said in Indiana, which means I didn't
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: by the way, I had to take a family not
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: even a family planning that it was like it was
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: it was a special I even called child development. It
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: was something that was basically home mech but also you
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: ran a daycare within the high school and like baked
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: muffins and there were robot babies, so like whatever that
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: class is called, And anyone who is in my high
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: school currently or remembers the day of that class, please
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: let me know. I took it, probably because by then
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna be a teacher, so I'm
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: gonna have to know about these kids, and I got
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: a robot baby or whatever, and they didn't. I'm pretty
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: sure family planning was in the name of this course,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: did they tell me about con? I took it because
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: it was the only class that they talked to you
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: about birth control. Like you would have sex at in
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: health class and it would be abstinence heavy, and then
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: this class actually talked to you about birth control and condoms.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: And I think I only wanted that experience because of
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Greece Too. I was like, well, I want to live
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: a very Greece too lifestyle. I'll take the condom class.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: That stuff, that diaphragm totally, no, it's it's bananas. I
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: had a very similar sex I experience, and what's crazy
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: then too, so ours was we did. We were lucky
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: that we had this ancient, little old lady come in
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: and talk to us about you know, birth control. You know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: we wanted to just raise our hands and ask her
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: all the questions, and you know, we were just so
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: popped to be like, what's this. But then the unit
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I remember the most and this is also such a
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: part of the brief productive health conversation, and we really
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: just need to embrace it is how this affects also
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: LGBTQ PLUSIC peopball, because we are talking about bodies, we're
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: talking about hormones, and we're talking people's agency over our bodies.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: And you know, unfortunately, you know when most people think
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: of Wyoming and they think of, like, what's the one
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: thing I know about Wyoming, it is often the murder
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: of Matthew Shepard. And so this is inserted into our
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: sex ad unit is this story. And I remember our
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: teacher brought in a gal who had been in at
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the time or high school and Laramie where this happened.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Something like that, like she was you know, quote unquote
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: closer to the situation than we ever could be. And
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the entire you know, her entire speech was about how
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: it only this murder only happened because it was a
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: drug deal gone bad. We didn't touch on any other
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: top of you know, the only other thing that they
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: did was they said, raise your hand if you would
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: be friends.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: When they gave her son what the fuck?
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: And you know, obviously my hand shot up and I
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: left around the room and said, yeah, you want to fight,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: you know, because because I don't. Also, this like, this
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: seriousness of what was happening does not hit a sixteen
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: year oale brain like, and it's it's it's menacing. It
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: is vile to think that that was considered quote unquote
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: good sexual health education. And what drives me bonkers is
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: when I am talking to legislators now and I say, okay,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: so you don't want us to teach sex at in school?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Who who should teach it?
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Then?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Like that's my question. I you know, I will be like, great,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: you that's what you want to think, if that's how
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: you want to phrase it. I want to be solutions
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: oriented when I'm having these conversations and not be you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: the person that comes in and tells them why they're wrong.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I'm here to listen to our legislator and hear what
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: they have to say and ask questions. So I say,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: then who does do it? And their answers often go
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: just you know, in the family, Well guess what. To
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: your point, I don't know what fuck menopause is. I
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: didn't know we had another hole down there until I
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: was thirteen. Like, who is equipped to teach people this?
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: And they're just so afraid of it that understanding our
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: bodies is somehow a contentious point of morality and it
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: is just simply who we are.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: And we don't have to get into it. But I
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: am currently hyper focused on the Matthew Shepherd thing because
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've watched every Matthew Shepherd adjacent Lifetime movie,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: like right, like that is something that I feel like,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: especially for our age group, we were very aware it happened,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: probably especially you growing up in Miami. I when you
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: said drug deal gone wrong, that's the first time I've
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: ever heard that part of the store, Like is that
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: part of the story, that is the narrative that.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Folks like to sell so that way, it does not
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: look like it was a hate crime, but just a
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: drug deal gone bad, and that had nothing to do
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: with who Matthew was I. Yeah, that's definitely where we
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: were being.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Taught Jesus Christ. And this is why I think that
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Lifetime should have its own streaming network that I pay
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: a dollar a month to revisit old Lifetime movies because
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: literally I was like, I didn't even think drugs were
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: involved in that case. And it doesn't matter, It doesn't matter,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It was horrific.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: It doesn't Yeah, exactly, it was horrific.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: It was probably the first time people my age, especially
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: where I grew up in Indiana, had to be like
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: faced with like the dangers that people of the lgbtq
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: AI plus community face. And it was like something that
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and again, there were no adults in the room that
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: we're going to guide us on how we talk about this,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: how we feel about this, whatever. But I remember there
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: being so much fear around queerness in general that again,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: this is what happens when you're in your thirties and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: going Am I fully straight or was I scared out
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: of being queer? And it's like, and it's because millennials
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: grew up in a really fucked time.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: When it came to tell you had to raise your
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: hand and say, would you be friends? Would you be
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: friends with a gay bersla. I didn't even know if
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, at that time, definitely to your
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: point of like I had no concept of it, but
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I was queer or not. But here I am also
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: having to steep to my entire class how I feel
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: on the topic.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I really feel that, like well, and then like, I
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: don't know if this also happened in your sex said classes,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: but bisex side classes only wanted to give us the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: fear of God when it came to like AIDS and
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: HIV and STDs that you could carry for a lifetime.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: No, I think we didn't even really get to that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: If I'm beIN honest, I feel like we. I don't
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: think our school I still like I'm still grasping what
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the AIDS epidemic did to this country into queer culture
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: and queer history because we lost so many storytellers. None
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: of that was brought up in our school, not at all.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: It was just don't get pregnant, don't be Matthew Sheppard,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: don't be drugs.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: That's yeah.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Next week is drivers and help class.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Right Top by your gym teacher, all of the health classes.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Top top by guys who played dodgeball.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I mean legit, I remember we had. I still think
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: about the ship that they taught us, like we had
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: a unit on a square dancing, but no one ever
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: taught me how to like it's a credit card.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I did have a class that taught me
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: how to balance a checkbook or whatever. It was an elective.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: God knows why I took it. Probably to get out
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: of something super relevant. Yeah, probably to get out of
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: another class. But I just remember getting into a fight
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: with that teacher because I was like a big Claire's
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: girly and Claire's always had a Bogo sale going on,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: so we asked us about our last goat Bogo purchase.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, I was a Claire's on Saturday and
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I got this headband and another headband for four dollars.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: And he's like, you just paid two dollars for those headbands.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: You didn't get anything for free, which is technically true,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: but also what a dick. And I was like, but today,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: if I went to Clayer's, I would be paying five
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: dollars per headband. It's still a deal. And just like
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: arguing with them back and forth, like don't you condescend
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: to me about my slayers purchase.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: This is what I can relate on. This is how
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I'm spending my money. And that's, honestly, frankly, how I'm
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: still spending my money.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Is on It's on Bogos.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Shit. Yeah, that's funny. Our teacher or what was it called.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: It wasn't called it was called like prepare you class
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: or whatever. The only story I really have of her
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: was she didn't believe in dinosaurs and just told everyone,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: but they were big cowboats, not big cowboats.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Good na.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: You know that's and I don't know how that fit
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: into balancing your budget, but it must.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I had a I had an algebra create cale teacher
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: who told us if we prayed hard enough for me
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to understand the functions, and I'm like, God has abandoned me.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I cannot do this map. And yeah,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: that's hard to be fifteen years old and grappling with
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: whether or not God has abandoned you and that's why
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: you can't do maths.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Well, then he's abandoned all women.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a banal. And then and then I was like,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: well they not gets the devil's on my side because
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I used to skip that class. A lot on test
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: day so I could take tests during his study hall,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: which was when he was coaching women's basketball, and I
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: would cheat. It was God or the devil, it was,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: but we got our loophole. It was the Holy Spirit.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: It was Mary Magdalen doing me a good one. He
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: would just be like, well, maybe do a couple of
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Like he would just get frustrated. He would get frustrated
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: teaching us, and he just like tapped the board and
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: then finally he'd be like, I don't know, go read
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: my ten Commandments poster. And it's like, we're a public
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: school that should not be up.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: You can't.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: You can't have taught you how God has abandoned me.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Stuck on two, I'm stuck on too. I feel like, Okay,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: this is also just a funny question. I want to
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: ask you when watching Parks and Recreation Parks and rock
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: with the Amy Poehler, was that relaxing or was that No?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I've heard people talk to me that way.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: What's funny is ugh, this is my initial gut response. Yeah,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: So I think what I love about parks and Lack
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: is it is much closer to what my life was
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: like on campaigns, and I liked that because we had
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of people who would come into campaigns and
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: thought they were going to live this Westing life, and
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of times they would come in and they'd
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: be very privileged. You know, they just want to work
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: in politics, but they don't want to do the hard
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: work of like organizing people and organizing volunteers and working
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: the long hours. Right, it's just want to wear a
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: suit and take pictures with like important officials. And something
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I would say in interviews to you know, try to
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: shake people would be you know, one I would try
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: to talk to them out of the job. That was
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the big thing I worked at politics. Is the best
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: thing you can do is talk to somebody out of
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: the job, because if they still want it, then that's
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: someone who has some writ and wants to actually do
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: the hard work. Theoretically, but I would straight up and
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I'd just be like, this is more my parks and
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: rec It's not west Wing. And that is something that
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: has helped me a lot. And like when you are
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: in meetings and you are kind of like looking at
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: people who you you know, like, was the Eye committee
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: going to start mowing at that woman after she said,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: you know, women are breaders. You know, you have to
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: find humor in it. But what's hard is a lot
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: of times it's it's closer to deep life is closer
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: to me, and that's coming from your electeds, that's coming
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: from like your like political professionals. And so honestly, when
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: it is Pops and rec it is a like Shaf's
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Kiss of a day because you can have honest conversations
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: with people who you know care about their community at
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the end of the day. That is nice versus you know,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: when you get a lot of lobbyists who are just
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: getting that paycheck to cal make a statement in front
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: of a camera, that is the worst part to deal
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: with it. But if you are talking to someone who's
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: from Miaming, who's from a community, and regardless of what
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: they believe in, even if we believe so differently, you
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: can usually figure out what they care about and find
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: common ground because at the end of the day, we
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: do care about our state. I answer that question about.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: It, and honestly, out of those three shows that you referenced,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I have only seen one episode of The West Wayne,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: but I have watched parks from Rec and Beep in
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: their entirety, So yeah.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Be this scary and how grossed and real it is,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: and yeah, Western will make you believe and they I
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: think someone was saying like Westing is like directly responsible
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: for people getting into politics during the obamah air era,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and I fully, fully, fully believe that. Yeah, but the
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: reality is shits crops and rec.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that. Okay. Well, to bring
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: it to the local of it all, I think part
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: of the problem that I am people on TikTok and
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: people who are in these smaller communities and even what
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: ends up happening at during elections cycles is we focus
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: so globally that we forget that all of the work
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: happens locally, if that makes sense. Yes, So, if I
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: have just moved to a new area and I'm trying
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: to I'm pissed and I got to do something with
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: all my feminine rage. Where do I start? How do
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I start making moves so that we start eventually getting
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: people invested in local elections, getting invested in truly anything
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: that isn't a one party show or anything like that.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's so many different ways you can go
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: about it, right, You can make such an impact if
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: you you know, we're to Google like nonprofits in my area,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: and you know, start from there. But the first thing
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I want to say is, like, the best way to
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: make an impact is for just to be an upstander
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: in your community. In these communities where having these conversations
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: are hard, they are disruptive. Even if you are just
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: simply correcting somebody on a derogatory word, can suddenly shake
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: the whole foundation of the conversation you're just having. Be
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: that person. Be that person who is having a conversation
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: with their coworker who calls out bullshit if someone says
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: something just not true about women, about queer people, about
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: reproductive health, call somebody out if they use the term
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: prostitute instead of sex worker. You know, find just have
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: these conversations up front and be an upstander in the
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: moment is to me the biggest thing that you can do,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: and that's how we start to change culture little by
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: little and hopefully that little by little becomes bigger, bigger steps.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: If you want to get involved, though, like kind of
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: more hands on, I would look for your local Title
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: ten clinic. These are clinics that are supposed to be
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: funded by the federal government to be resources to fix
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: specifically and rural in underrepresented areas, and from there they
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: can could probably connect you with any of these other
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: movements that are doing more political work or more nonprofit work.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: But a lot of times these Title ten clinics are
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: also they need help. They need help to keep the
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: lights on, they need help fundraising, they need people to
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: be there to answer the phone when the nurse. You know,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: they only have one nurse and that nurses seeing a patient.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: So that's you know, a lot of what we can
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: do through reproductive health. The other thing I would say
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: is learn who your state senators are and your state
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: legislators are. We are so to your point of we're
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: so fixated on national politics, and it is it's a
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: big deal. I'm not saying it's not. But the fact
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: that some guy down the street who hasn't taken down
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: his Christmas lights is my state legislator and he is
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: the one determining what I can and cannot do with
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: my body is cuckoo banianas to say it lately. Yes,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: and so many and you know, and my friends who
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: are you know, we vote, they you know, they show
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: to you know. But the biggest thing I can tell
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: you this in why. I mean, it was like only
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: like nine percent of the public voited and Wyoming and
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and it's like, you just have to vote.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: It's so annoying to have to go to meetings and
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: talk to people about like we got to get out
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: the vote. I'm so annoyed with that terminology at this
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: point in my life. But it is true. But I
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: think the way to make that happen is to make
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: that hyper localized. Don't talk about like, oh, here are
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: three candidates running for state house, and here are their
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: political parties. Be like, hey, no, that's Joe and he's
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: got a flat tire that he hasn't fixed in twenty years,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: sitting now on the porch. Why would I make him
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: my state legislator? Why would I make him the person
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: that is in charge of deciding what to do with
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: school of funds if I can't even get him to,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: you know, pay a parking ticket, whatever have you. So
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: get to know these people, they get to know them
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: as humans. And that's also how you're going to find
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: great candidates. You're going to find people who, because they're
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: not entitled shitheads, don't think about running for office. And
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: that's who you want to run for office. You want
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: those teachers, You want leaders. You want people who don't
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: want the credit to be the ones to go up against, specifically,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: specifically these people who say when you ask them and
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: they about, you go, why do you want for office?
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: And they go, somebody said I should a lot from
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: as the answer I get. Somebody said I should, someone
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: said I'd be good at it, and they go and
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: do it. You want that person who doesn't want to
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: run for office, who thinks run for office sucks because
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: it does.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Because it does, and that person is going to be the.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Best legislator because they're going to work their ass off,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And part of the reason is only because he was one.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: He was a guy who taught at my high school
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: while I was also in high school. I think he
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: still teaches at my high school or whatever. But he
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: also runs as a Democratic candidate for something. He runs
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: for something, and I see him everywhere, Like I'm at
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: the County Fair seeing ludicrous and he's volunteering and I
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: shaking hands, asking people how their kids are doing, asking
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: people if they're ready for school, whatever. I'm at trunk
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: or treat downtown with my nephew and him and his
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: wife matching costumes, fucking handing out candy and high fiving
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: local business people. Like I do think that that makes
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: a difference.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: It absolutely is something I'm trying to do, is I'm
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: trying to sit down and meet with every single person
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: in our entire state, righte delegation. Like I am driving
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: over the mountain, I'm driving six hours here and there
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: to have these meetings, and I you know, our organization
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: is on partisan and really where I'm coming from is
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: I just want to talk to good legislators. I want
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: to talk to people who believe in like the basics
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: of government. And what's such horseshit is half of them
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: aren't even checking their email. They're but they get a
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: sipe into use, right, Like That's what it's so frustrated. Like,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: at least you know in Wyoming, and I'm sure this
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: has gone on in other places, is we have legislators
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: who don't know what their jobs are. They don't know
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: they're supposed to check their email. They don't know that
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: they have a sipe been given to them every month
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: to take citizens out to coffee, So that means they're
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: just pocketing it. And these are really, really small things
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: that make a huge difference when we are only paying
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: attention to national politics and not thinking about how Joe
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: down the street who's got his Christmas lights up, is
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: not checking his email address when you elected him to
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: go to a session that's only every other year.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And this guy he like, he goes to
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: hospitals and holds premature babies, and it's like number one,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that we could do that, And I'm like,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: how do I sign up?
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe you can't, maybe you can't.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe I can't, But he can for the photo of no,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: like literally, it is one of his volunteer platforms, and like, okay,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: he's at Ludacris, he cares about the millennial vote, he's
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: at the Vagina Monologues. He cares about enough about women
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: to try and get their vote.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: I guess right, and sometimes right. I feel like your
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: best politician is not someone who's worried about the vote,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: but worried about the community. And yes, politically, that'd be
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: an awesome person to manage because I could be like,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: look at all the crazy things, you know, all the
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: great things he does is community. But it's like, you
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: want somebody who's going to do that on their own
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: or more you should be somebody who's just going to
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: be involved in your community on your own. So that
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: kind of looked right, That's what I'm saying. Like it
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't often look like getting involved in politics. It can
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: simply look like you were going down to your Title
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Time clinic and you've see how you can volunteer. You
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: are volunteering for big brothers, big sisters, and you're using
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: that relationship to have within you know, appropriate bounds to
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: have healthy conversations about birth control and about queerness. You
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: can join, you know, go do go do community theater
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: and be a rebel and do a play where they
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: have a woman character who doesn't have a child, Like
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I see those things as act not acts of rebellion,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: but being active in your community. And it can look
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: so different for every single one, but you have to
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: just kind of find with that niche is in your community.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: So my biggest thing, especially I think everyone you know,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: they go, oh, I was just a different person. I
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: would do all these things. Da da da da. The
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: best advice I can give anyone like Bernie's enough is
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: if you see something on Facebook happy in your community
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, I'm not interested in that. Just go,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: don't be embarrassed, don't be embarrassed, stout going or not
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: just go?
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Did you go? Did you listen to Chelsea's episode about
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: the article? It was one of her viral article episodes,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: and it was basically like Republicans are sexier than ever
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: and they're young, and they're hot and they go to
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the clubs, and it was I'll send you the episode,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: but it did open Chelsea and her guests, who I'm
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: not going to remember off the top of my head,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: that she was fantastic. It opened up this conversation about
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: like one of the best things that the Conservative Party
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: does is it like gas slights other people into believing
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: like you're welcomed here and we're gonna have fun and
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: we're never going to dog on you for like taking
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: your garbage in early or accidentally using a slur or whatever,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Like we're never going to do it. And I think
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: if we could also kind of removed all of these
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: external like uh, pressures to be the perfect activist and
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: instead just start, we'd move mountains. I don't have a
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: perfect Facebook past, Like no, I was a millennial. Hilary
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Duff had to tell me that gay was a slur, Like.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I think no, I think you're right. It's like it
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: can look so small the impact you want to make
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: in your community, and it can be truly like I'm
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: just going to go to the library and then help
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: with the literacy program, Like it doesn't have to be
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: these big, huge things. But I hope like by like
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: taking finding find those issues that you do really care
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: about and depoliticize them. Like to me, reproductive health is
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: not political. It is personal. That doesn't change that the
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: world has made it political. I have chosen to work
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: with my specific skills in the political arena. But so
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: many people can work for reproctive freedom, for reproductive access
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: in a quote unquote non political way by caring about
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: it and having healthy conversations about it to everyone around them.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: And part of the reason that broadening the scope of
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: reproductive health beyond abortion makes politicians so nervous is because
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: we aren't having those conversations enough, so they don't know
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: how to answer you when you're like, what about epictomic
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: pregnancies and that pregnancy has to be terminated, And then
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: they're glitching in their brain because they didn't consider women
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: as people to begin with, So the glitch happens because
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, a woman might have a medical emergency,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: and that's a great area. We have to continue to
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: push them on things like that.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: It's it's banana. It's like we have these legislators who
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: are out here. Oh, going back to the law, the
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: transpaginal law that they passed last year, it wasn't that
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: you only had to get it if you were seeking
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: an abortion. It was not required of you to get
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: it if you plan to carry out pregnancy to term.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: So any arguments about well, we want to make sure
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: you know it's for the safety, well, then so it
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: sounds like you already don't care about the safety of
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: women who want to bring a fetus to term, right,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: because it's it's hypercritical. It's not it's not coming actually
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: from a place of care. And especially when you have
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: doctors made doctors testify in the cult's protestify and be
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: like this is so unneeded, Like it doesn't it doesn't
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: make a medical difference, and I just lost my train
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: of thought.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: It also, hey, is that transaginal ultrasound free or is
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: it just another thing that I'm going to have to
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: fight insurance to tell you, well, the law made me
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: have it.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Like that's let me bring up one more thing just
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: to fuck you over and blow your mind. Yes, there
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: are fake women's clinics and everyone needs to be on
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: alert for these women. Fake women's clinics. You will see
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: them because they will advertise free ultrasounds. But what they
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: are is they are often called crisis pregnancy centers, or frankly,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: they are just anti abortion centers and they mask themselves
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: as women's clinics, but their entire job is to talk
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: women out of having any type of real decision making power.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: That isn't I will have this baby? And what our
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: lawmakers don't know? And I've sat down with botmakers and why,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, who sponsored bills to protect these centers but
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: they know nothing about because they read about them and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: they go, well, it's a women's center, isn't isn't that enough?
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  Speaker 2: But they've done no research as to what these centers
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: do and how they shame women into keeping pregnancies on
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: top of providing them with false medical information because doctors
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: are not working at these clinics. They're usually run by
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: volunteers and actually have zero medical expertise. So yeah, they
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: found funding to get an ultrasound machine, you know, but
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: they are not actually equipped to use it. I talked
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: to a woman who went to one of these centers
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  Speaker 2: when she was twenty, because why wouldn't you. It's in
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: a college town, it says women's center, it says makes
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: it look like it's supportive for women to make all
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: types of decisions. And because there's no medical expert to
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: do the ultrasound that they told her she had to do,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: she had to do the transfaginal ultrasound to herself while
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: a volunteer watched. No, and that that is that is
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: the state of women's health care. And so I'll sit
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: down these legislators and I will you know, they'll be like, well,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: we should protect the women's health centers. I go, I agree,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: let's talk about Title ten clinics. And then I'll be like, comny,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Title ten clinics are in the state, and they'll be
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: like blah. And then I'll be like, I want to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: talk about your vote about protecting these CPCs is anti
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: abortion centers because you're thinking that they're just women's clinics
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: and they're they're not. They're not. And and there is
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: a great oh, there's a great documentary I ask everyone
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: to watch. It's it's a hard tuger. It's called Preconceived,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: and it's a lot about these CPCs going into towns
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  Speaker 2: and acting like they're going to take care of women
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: and then as soon as they have the baby, much
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: like we hear all the time, they're out of there.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: They're at Their job is to convince you to have
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: a child, whether you want it or not, whether you
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: are healthy enough not to have it or not. They
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: have no medical expertise. Their job is just to convince
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: you to have a baby, and that is terrifying. I
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: wouldn't if I were If I were pregnant and I
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: wanted that child, going there would be the wrong answer too,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: because they're not going to support your child. They don't
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: have the expertise to talk to you about any fucking thing.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: No, And like the government is your child's first deadbeat dad,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: like literally, like I don't know anything about the man
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: who impregnated you, but like the government is your baby's
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: dead beat dad.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Because I want the government to be my British nanny.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, super nanny, come help, come help with super nanny.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: That's who the government should be.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, because again and again, I cannot reiterate that
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: that is how you know that it is about control.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: It's about controlling women. It's about getting women out of
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: the work. For of course, it's about making women know
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: day in and day out that they are second class
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: citizens in this country. And therefore husbands can treat you
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: like a second class citizen in your home. And you
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: can just follow the line of thinking with some of
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: these husbands, honestly, because they're watching Fox News all day
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: long telling them that women are the problem and women
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: are the enemy, and that's how they're treating their daughters
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: and their wives.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Let me simplify it with just this one little closing story,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: So say is control their women's starts at such an
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: early age, and it is so implanted into our culture
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: that frankly, even the good men, the good women, they
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: don't know they're doing it. And I was thinking about this.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I was in my local coffee shop home. I was
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: walking across the coffee shop on the wood floors, and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: I'm wearing cowboy boots because I'm living in goddamn Wyoming,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: something that everyone should be used to. But because it
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: was kind of empty, my heels were making a loud
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: sound and a man turned to me who probably had
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: no idea the impact that he had on me that day,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: and he shush me. Oh, my heels were too loud.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: And I've really sat on the story. I've been really
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: thinking about this story about I was just too loud
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: in that moment and he believed that it was his
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: job to shush me. And that's where you know. Yes,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: you can be like, oh he's sexist, and da da dah,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: but it really comes down to it is so embedded
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: into our culture that our bodies are not ours to control.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: And you once you start seeing these examples, you will
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: see them everywhere and it will drive you ban fucking
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: bananas bombers, like you'll never sleep again.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: You're welcome, You're welcome. I was recently told at a
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: gaming convention to smile. Oh. I was literally just waiting
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: for my dad to get out of the shopping moment
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: so we could go to lunch, fiddling with my earring
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: like I'm literally just like my name my own business,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: standing waiting patiently out of the way because there's thousands
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: of people here and they're all trying to get somewhere.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: So I have removed myself from the throng of people,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: and I'm just fiddling with my earring. A man moves
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: into my eyeline purposefully and doesn't even speak to me.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: He makes a pantomime motion at me that I should smile,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: and I just like looked at him. Fuck you, Yeah,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: I just like looked at him, and he was like, smile.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: This is a fun occasion. And I was like, I'm
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: literally just waiting for my dad, like I'm waiting patiently,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: and he was just like looking. He's like, but are
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: you having a good time? I was like not currently,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: and then like none, none of your business. Who are you?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: And like, this is a gaming convention that I've been
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: to since I was fifteen fucking years old. I like,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: if he had been working a booth or whatever and
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: had called me over to look at something because he
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: saw me waiting or whatever, I have had nice conversations
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: like that, someone trying to, you know, take advantage of
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: my quiet peace to sell me something. But no, he's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: just a dude who has decided that me existing made
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: him uncomfortable and was somehow ruining his experience. And he
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: was like you were so deep in thought, and I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: was like, probably how I was like, okay, I.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Should interrupt that piece like you thought.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: For me, and I put it in my stories and
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: people who were at the condm me and they were like,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: where is he hi? And I was like a nondescript
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: white man. I couldn't even describe him if I wanted to,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: because they all looking at the same when they're like that.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: And but yeah, it it is. It's just like little
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: things like that that chip away at our agency and
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: our right to our body. And I've been watching Frontier
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: House on hg TV because I watched the or Back
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: to the Frontier, because I watched the original Frontier House
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: on PBS where they actually had to live in the wilderness,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: and I, I don't know why you're talking. Oh, it's
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: a show on HBO, Matt, and they're making modern day
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: people live like it's the eighteen hundreds. On the Frontier.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: I remember that Parks in episode was like that, okay, yeah,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: And like there's this man who like, okay, so, like
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: his kids are iPad kids or whatever and probably TikTok influencers,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: and they're adjusting to not having tech, and every time
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: they have an emotion, he makes sure to tell them, hey,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: you're really ruining this for me. I'm like, yeah, by
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: having an emotion, I was like, congrats, your father is
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: your first oppressor. And I can tell by the way
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: that the girls, his daughters and his wife talk and
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: talk to other people or whatever. I'm like, he's a
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: real fucking piece of work at home, Like you can
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: just tell. At this point, I was, I know, we.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Can these stories have I know, gosh. I went to
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: saw a sketch the other day. It's like a little
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: children's horror movie. It's got Towny Hale in it, and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: it's about this little girl whose mama's passed and she
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: draws monsters in her notebook and then the monsters come away. Right,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: So I'm the only adult in this movie theater without
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: a child, which I think is fine. I just like horror,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: and I just I want to see it in all forms.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: And these little kids are in the movie, right, These
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: little girls are in the movie, and they're laughing and screaming,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: and they're being told they're being told to shush.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: No, that's horror. You're allowed to do that in horror.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: That's the role as like everyone else in here is
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: a little kid or is accompanying a little kid.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah what what? Like?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: What? Like? I just sat there the entire time and
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: I just was like, why are you shushing these kids
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: who are interacting with the movie you brought them to?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: You brought them to I know, Listen, I love to
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: be out in public at a thing that is kind
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: of designed for kids and watching people just like row
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: to hate their kids the moment that they've stepped off
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: the property like Disney World, where like you're like, why
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: are you screaming at your kid's Disney World again?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I get maybe they just, you know,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: maybe that poor mom had just had a fucking day
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: and you just But I in this one moment, I
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: just was thinking about, like, these little girls are already
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: being told what to do with their bodies in a
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: place where they should be free to emote, and in
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: a dark theater where a blue monster with two links
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: has come into life.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna move us into our closing out ceremony.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: I'm a thank you for being here. This was exactly
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: the episode that I've always dreamed of. We had honest
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: and frank conversations about not only abortion, but women's healthcare
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: and all of the whack of do ways abortions pr
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: is being spread throughout the government. What is one lesson
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: you would like to impart onto the listeners about your
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: work in politics and reproductive freedoms? One lesson, one lesson
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: that we could stitch onto a pillow.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: I think we have two choices right now, and we
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: can keep saying that the world is really really complicated,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: but the answer isn't. It's very simple. And you can
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: either be an upstander or you can be complicit. And
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of different ways to be upstanders,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: and not all of them look like me and coming
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: onto a podcast or going on to my community and
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: being like, yeah, I'll fight chip you say something about women.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: It can be really small. It can be like just
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: like I said like earlier was like in your conversations
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: or having the people be an upstander. Do not go
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: along with this narrative of how we treat women in
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: this world.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, also open up your scope of women, like read
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: a book by women of color. I dare you read
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: a queer woman romance or literally just a book about
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: queer women. I dare you, And like if you're if
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: you're gonna download the latest Taylor Swift album Life of
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: a Showgirl, and you know I've already pre ordered my copy.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Then also make sure that you've downloaded Scissor's new album
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: or Dough Cheese or truly anybody like we have to
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: start opening like actually, it's one thing to like talk
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: like an ally, but also put your money towards allyship.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Go see women made films, go see women made art.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Do it and talk about the fact that you're doing it.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I mean, gosh, this is where I
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: go back to. You're on step six and I am
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: hoping I can get people on step one. Yeah, like
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: you like, and I'm sure that's this audience, right is
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: we are so far ahead of how do we turn
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: white feminists into working inclusive femininity? But if you are
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: really like, where where does one start? Ask someone to
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: have a conversation with you about reproductive help?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what they think about it, what they think
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: about it, what makes them nervous. Also, as women, we've
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: been made to feel afraid of our own health care,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: mostly because it causes pain, and that's all we've been
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: told about it.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you don't have to be like me
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: who was getting her vaginal acts last week and then
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: asked that woman to donate to her fundraiser for reproductive health.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: But it's a great place to start.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: No, I think that's exactly who you should be. Fun.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I waited until she was down in there because
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: I knew she wouldn't say no to me.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: You know, you worry seen me. So a few dollars please,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Like anything else, what is something that you would like
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: to manifest with all of us that comes true in
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: our near future.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: When I was Supreme Court, any day now is going
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: to come out with the ruling about if abortion is
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: considered healthcare in this state, and my manifesting is that
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: they will say yes, not only is abortion healthcare in
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: this state, but women's rights do not stop the second
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: they get pregnant or for any other reason tied to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: their reproductive status.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: There it is shit. Yeah, because that's also it too,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: is that I should have the right to healthcare and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: being healthy, employed, unemployed, pregnant, not pregnant. We've made these
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: things attached to money and funds because of capitalism. But literally, like,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: I did not ask to be here, So the least
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: you could do is check my temperature. I didn't ask.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: I did not ask to be here. I would have
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: chosen to be an alien honestly at this point, just
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: an alien on Mars, just one of those little amibas
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: in the water that they found on Mars.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Uh Emma, is there.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: Anything that you would like to plug or make sure
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: that the listeners are following you and all of your adventures.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: But so much to come, so much to come. But
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: right now you can find me on Instagram imaged in
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: and then you can also follow Whyo United on Instagram
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: and keep an eye out there if you are in Wyoming,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: if you are in the Mountain West.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: We are.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: About to go really hard in this next election season
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: on standing up for root production of brakes, and I
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: hope that we can make an impact.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope so too. Thank you so much for
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: doing such hard work every day. When you said I've
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: been driving six hours over the mountain. In six hours
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: back over that mountain, I was like, I never want
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: to be on one mountain. I need everyone to be clear,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: I never want to be on a mountain. I'm afraid
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: of heights and I am afraid of mountain roads and
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Bigfoot and Bigfoot actually like he's kind of cute and fuzzy,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: but I'm mostly afraid of just I have to be
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: asleep if we're driving on the mountain, I have to
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: be fully asleep. Really, because I have anxiety, and it's generalized.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: It's great. I realized I was really afraid to drive
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: around the mom for a really long time when I
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: was younger and I was rewatching Simpsons during the pandemic,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: and I realized that was it was because the number
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: of times that Homer drives off the mountain. I think
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: gave me so much anxiety as a kid.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: I got contacts solely because Daria couldn't drive with her
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: glasses because of the blind spot you eventually have with
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: your glasses. I was like, you can't drive with glasses on.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Daria was nervous.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: That's so funny. I now only drive with my glasses
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: because my eyes are too old to have contacts in
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: them for too long.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Well, all right, tolerators, you know where to find us.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Since men I've tolerated pod on Instagram, Nadley came one
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: to four on Instagram and TikTok to all the men
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: I've tolerated before on Pinterest, YouTube, and I dare you
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: to put it in any other social media to see
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: what I've forgotten. And remember, tolerators, you don't have to
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: smile through anything you're tolerating, including standing in front of
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: grown educated people, grown educated people who have an office
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: that they have been elected into, telling you that there's
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: only one hole down there and that's why tampons are
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: so effective. Smiles are for joy,