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Guilt Trips, Fake Cakes, and Cowboy Presidents · Talk About That

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  Speaker 1: Life Audio.
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  Speaker 2: Today I'll talk about that. We're joined by dear friend
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  Speaker 2: and documentary producer Alison Holland to talk about her new
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  Speaker 2: project about Ronald Reagan. Then John forgets what generation he's
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  Speaker 2: in and ponders the last time we had Ali as
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  Speaker 2: a guest and he almost burned their friendship to the ground. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: I decide I'm exactly as famous as I ever want
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  Speaker 2: to be, and wonder whether the world's longest hot dog
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  Speaker 2: was even edible. Plus a discussion about a timely quote
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  Speaker 2: from the late great Tim Keller about the gospel. Today's
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  Speaker 2: episode is not sponsored by to go boxes. Can't finish
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  Speaker 1: What's up out there?
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  Speaker 3: I'm John here with Johnny also a special guest today,
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  Speaker 3: our good friend Ali is with us. Is talk about
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  Speaker 3: that it's going to be an exciting episode.
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  Speaker 2: I can feel it already, Alison Holland, I should say,
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  Speaker 2: because last time we just said Caleb, our good friend Caleb,
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  Speaker 2: and then it took us like halfway through the episode
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  Speaker 2: before I say Caleb Christopher Edwards.
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  Speaker 1: So if somebody was like wondering, who's camp.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, full legal name. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you know, I think that you might still
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  Speaker 3: have your maiden name in my wife's phone.
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  Speaker 1: Really yeah, because again I kind of love that.
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  Speaker 2: I think you still have your youth group photo in
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  Speaker 2: my phone.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of love that never changed.
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  Speaker 2: So does Jeffrey. Jeffrey's got the little ski I had
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  Speaker 2: a little ski jump thing in the front of his hair.
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  Speaker 2: He has that in my photo of Jeffrey photo and.
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  Speaker 3: It may still be somewhere. Was you and him in
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  Speaker 3: purple skyhook shirts when you were dating.
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  Speaker 4: I know exactly the photo you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: It was like downstairs, I think in the four years
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  Speaker 3: or something down there. Yeah, and true love. Tell everybody
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  Speaker 3: about yourself, Like why do we know you so well?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Well is going to get of me?
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  Speaker 4: I mean this could be a really long answer, really
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  Speaker 4: short answer. They know me so well because I started
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  Speaker 4: coming to youth group here a million years ago, and
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  Speaker 4: then I was Sadie's nanny, that's right, little Sadie girl.
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  Speaker 4: And then Johnny ran the Young Adults ministry.
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  Speaker 3: It was Johnny's nanny, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Also I needed help.
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  Speaker 4: And uh yeah, and Jeffery was really close to y'all,
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  Speaker 4: and then we weren't dating it first, obviously because we
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  Speaker 4: had a bit of an age gap, but then later
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  Speaker 4: we did and now here we are old.
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  Speaker 2: Friends, old friends, and you've been on the show before.
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  Speaker 2: It's been way too long.
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  Speaker 4: It's actually been for the.
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  Speaker 2: Last time to talk about your podcast, which was the
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy Dynasty podcast, And uh, I think about you every
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  Speaker 2: time I see something having to do with the Kennedy's.
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  Speaker 2: We listened to American Scandal. Do you listen to American Scandal? No,
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  Speaker 2: it's a great podcast. But anyway, they had I think
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  Speaker 2: before six parter on chap equitic and it was a
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  Speaker 2: lot of stuff I did not it. Yes, it's so
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  Speaker 2: good because in the end they always interview somebody who's
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  Speaker 2: like an expert in the field and his whole take
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  Speaker 2: on like dynasties in general, and what his take on
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  Speaker 2: what chapa quid, the legacy of chap Equittic is, and
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  Speaker 2: what Ted Kennedy's overall legacy was. It was really fascinating
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  Speaker 2: to me. But I just kept thinking, I wonder how
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  Speaker 2: much of this stuff Ali already knows.
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  Speaker 1: Right because she tells what's real and what's not.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know so much about them it's kind
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  Speaker 4: of crazy. But yeah, uh podcast ended last year, so
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  Speaker 4: this is my first podcast back since I quit the podcast,
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  Speaker 4: a whole new career since I was on here last episodes.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great question, passed one hundred. I think I'm
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  Speaker 4: nowhere near talking research base, and ours is too.
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  Speaker 2: We do a lot of researching our own opinions.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, you put a lot of work into the
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was a lot of work and it
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  Speaker 4: launched everything, honestly for my career.
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  Speaker 1: So you're wearing a lot of different stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Now, completely different. I am a director and producer now,
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  Speaker 4: contrary to popular belief, I am not an industry because
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  Speaker 4: my husband already was.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would never have said that.
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  Speaker 4: That's the thing. People are like, oh, you had such
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  Speaker 4: a good launch pad because of Jeffrey.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been saying that for years. Know what's funny.
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  Speaker 2: H And by the way, Jeffrey your husband longtime uh
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  Speaker 2: cinematographer and director of photography, but he used to do
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  Speaker 2: stuff with the church. So when I shot my first
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  Speaker 2: comedy special, I was just like, let's just have Jeffrey
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  Speaker 2: film it. And Jeffrey put together a crew, and that
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  Speaker 2: was just such a We were just flying by the
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  Speaker 2: seat of our pants trying to do that stuff. But
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  Speaker 2: now it's so cool to see him do what he's
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  Speaker 2: doing and you do what you're doing. But honestly, I
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  Speaker 2: knew from the get go they had nothing new with
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey because the story's crazy, and I don't I've probably
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  Speaker 2: told it to people before in a butchered way. But
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  Speaker 2: you had. How it all got started really was you
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  Speaker 2: had Clint Hill on your pod right eye, and he didn't.
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  Speaker 2: He was famously reclusive, did not like doing interviews. He's
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  Speaker 2: like the JD. Salinger of the x FBI world right
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  Speaker 2: or ex Secret Service world, where he just like he's
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  Speaker 2: in hiding.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, he's very reclusive. But he was charmed by you.
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  Speaker 4: So a little bit okay, So what how was mister
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  Speaker 4: Hill actually did start writing about He was reclusive for
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  Speaker 4: a lot of years and then it's actually a beautiful
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  Speaker 4: love story between him and now my business partner and
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  Speaker 4: Clinton Hill.
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  Speaker 2: For the people who don't.
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  Speaker 4: Know, famously, he is the Secret Service agent that jumped
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  Speaker 4: on the back of the limousine during the Kennedy assassination
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  Speaker 4: and he saved Missus Kennedy's life. He was her agent
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  Speaker 4: and so he he but he served five presidents, so
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  Speaker 4: he served from Eisenhower through Ford those administrations, and then
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  Speaker 4: he retired and he was very reclusive after and really
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  Speaker 4: battled a lot. If you have not read his books,
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  Speaker 4: highly recommend Missus Kennedy and Me Five Presidents. He and
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  Speaker 4: Lisa wrote amazing books together. But he actually Lisa is
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  Speaker 4: the reason he began to speak out and tell his story,
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  Speaker 4: and it was really therapeutic for him. She was a
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  Speaker 4: journalist and they met and then they fell in love,
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  Speaker 4: and they were all these books, and honestly, she just
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  Speaker 4: brought him out of this dark place and he has
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  Speaker 4: helped people with telling his story and that Missus Kennedy
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  Speaker 4: and Me was the first book that I read about
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  Speaker 4: the Kennedy's, and I was interested in them from that
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  Speaker 4: moment forward, and then I made the podcast and all that.
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  Speaker 4: So they were always my dream guests because that was what,
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  Speaker 4: you know, what started.
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  Speaker 2: The get He's the one if I just as an outsider,
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  Speaker 2: I knew about him because of In the Line of
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  Speaker 2: Fire being loosely based on Clint Eastwood movie, and so
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  Speaker 2: I kind of knew that movie and loved that movie
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  Speaker 2: when I was a teenager, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's Clint Hill.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would say, I mean, I would say
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  Speaker 4: the most famous seaper service agent of all time. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's surely the most recognizable and just an amazing human being.
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  Speaker 4: And so I basically pestered their publicist for years trying
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  Speaker 4: to get them on on my show, and eventually finally
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  Speaker 4: they accepted. And I couldn't believe it, honestly because I
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  Speaker 4: was a little tiny show or whatever. But I was persistent.
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  Speaker 4: So they come on, and I don't know, we hit
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  Speaker 4: it off. They it's fun to hear Lisa to tell
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  Speaker 4: this story back and forth when we banter about it.
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  Speaker 4: But we hit it off, and I kind of thought, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: well that was amazing. I'll never talk to him again.
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  Speaker 4: That was what a dream, you know. And then through
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  Speaker 4: a series of events we ended up staying contact and
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  Speaker 4: they have literally become family to me. Now. Lisa and
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  Speaker 4: I own a production company together called Holland Hill Productions.
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  Speaker 4: Mister Hill has just, I mean, both of them have
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  Speaker 4: made a huge impact on my family, my children.
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  Speaker 1: Holland Hill sounds like a really nice subdivision, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, it's so funny.
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  Speaker 2: It's just kind of like, there's not really a hill.
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  Speaker 2: There's a Holland there's a glass guy named Hill, but
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  Speaker 2: it's not Holland Hill. That's like Mount Juliet. There's no
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  Speaker 2: Mount Juliet. There's no Holland Hill. There is a Holland Hill.
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  Speaker 4: And what's so funny is Lisa and when we were
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  Speaker 4: trying to name the company, we went back and forth,
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  Speaker 4: back and forth. We were coming up with all these
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  Speaker 4: names and all this stuff, and then mister Hill was
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  Speaker 4: sitting there, He's like, what about your names? We had
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  Speaker 4: been going back and forth and we were like, wait,
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  Speaker 4: Paul and Hill, that's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I do want to talk about I want to
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  Speaker 3: talk about the fact that you haven't been here for
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  Speaker 3: four years and you have a theory about that, which
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  Speaker 3: is a faulty theory. But there is an event that
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  Speaker 3: goes down and talk about that podcast the Annals.
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  Speaker 1: It's not our finest hour.
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  Speaker 4: I would say, probably, Well, I don't like how you
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  Speaker 4: wrote me in Yeah, young partner in all this, man,
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  Speaker 4: you can't just choose when you jump on and when
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  Speaker 4: you jump off, Like.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're going to be surprised. So we were.
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  Speaker 1: We were recording.
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  Speaker 3: We were upstairs, we were trying out that studio space
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  Speaker 3: that was Andrew's office, and it was so hot. I
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  Speaker 3: remember we had to move down here again. We tried
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  Speaker 3: to I think I was just yeah, I was crazy,
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  Speaker 3: and there was a bunch of edits we were making
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  Speaker 3: and stuff, but you had to take We had to
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  Speaker 3: stop for something. Why do we have to stop?
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  Speaker 2: I think I think it was bathroom breaks?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how long was the episode?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I just know that I was told, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So we're like, we'll stop.
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  Speaker 4: It was cut.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, it's okay, I'll cut all this out
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  Speaker 3: kind of thing. And we had these just candid conversations
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  Speaker 3: off camera, off yeah, you know, recording. And then in
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  Speaker 3: the end, I remember why at the end of the episode,
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  Speaker 3: I had to I had to edit a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: other stuff out, probably because of all your NDA's and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It was just so involved
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  Speaker 3: in so many things. And then I remember I published it,
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  Speaker 3: and then I took a run. I was out of
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  Speaker 3: my happy place, running down by the lake. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden the phone rings and I don't
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  Speaker 3: usually answer whath I'm running because I can't because I'm
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  Speaker 3: just you know, but I was. I think I was
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  Speaker 3: already done. I was like walking at the end. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, I'll bet she's like, hey, I love
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  Speaker 3: the episode or whatever, and you were like.
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  Speaker 1: Take it down, nah, And I was like, oh no,
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  Speaker 1: what happened?
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  Speaker 3: And like, literally that whole conversation we had candidly off camera,
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  Speaker 3: out of all the other edits i'd done, I through
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  Speaker 3: only my own faults. Johnny and I left it in there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And so we're having this conversation and it was sensitive.
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  Speaker 1: It was sensitive.
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  Speaker 4: It was like work related, like the stuff that just
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  Speaker 4: could not be discussed. And I remember confirming with you
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  Speaker 4: like hey, Mike's aren't hot, right, Like we're cut, and
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  Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, yeah, we're cut. And so I'm just
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  Speaker 4: telling Johnny, feeling Johnny and on all this stuffle the tea, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the way I mean, it was the scariest moment for me, truly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think I yelled at you you should have and
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  Speaker 4: it was just crazy.
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  Speaker 3: It was completely no you didn't yet, not at me,
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  Speaker 3: just at the situation that I had caused No, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: And I immediately like, so I think I ran more.
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  Speaker 1: I think I ran an extra mile.
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  Speaker 3: And a half that day that you ever had in
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  Speaker 3: your life, Like I just had to sprint back because
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  Speaker 3: I can't do anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Actually I may have been put my phone. I like
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  Speaker 3: the story better if I ran home.
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  Speaker 4: That sounds cross five minute.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it was the fastest I ever written. I
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  Speaker 3: ran by papers are flying on all people's desks in
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  Speaker 3: their house. No, but I ran and took it down quickly.
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  Speaker 3: And I think only because it was very early. I
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  Speaker 3: think only like maybe one hundred and fifty people.
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  Speaker 2: Have downloaded it down right, so that's locked in carbonized
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  Speaker 2: if they.
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  Speaker 1: Have there right now. If you go there, like long
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  Speaker 1: term listeners, they're.
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  Speaker 3: Like what you described, because once it's on your phone,
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  Speaker 3: it's there.
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  Speaker 1: Once they downloaded, you can't get it.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't salacious, by the way, It was just something
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  Speaker 2: that she shouldn't have said.
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  Speaker 1: She told some tales out. She should have said, I
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  Speaker 1: just been on a podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just you know, it was working on my friendship.
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  Speaker 2: We all listen. We all listen if I was to
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  Speaker 2: if you were to get me on a hot mic
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  Speaker 2: talking about John.
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  Speaker 4: And the worst part about it was it wasn't even
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  Speaker 4: my work. It was Jeffrey's. So then I called Jeffrey
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, I I'm so sorry. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 4: like crying, I'm so sorry, and I said, I said,
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  Speaker 4: I can't. Oh my gosh, it's forever ago. But I
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  Speaker 4: was like, I can't even finish listening to it. So
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  Speaker 4: I was. I told him, I was like, you have
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  Speaker 4: to go listen to it and tell me how bad
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  Speaker 4: it is. And so he did, and he's like, it's okay,
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  Speaker 4: it's not that it's bad. It was bad. He was like,
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  Speaker 4: it's not that bad.
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  Speaker 3: I have the file, which I'm not going to play.
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  Speaker 2: You have the file?
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you keep comprom on myself.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: The other day saw something I was like, wonder what
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  Speaker 1: that is. It's called oh, let's see what is it.
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  Speaker 2: Called the End of my own Alley's Friendship and.
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  Speaker 3: Wait for it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm scrolling.
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  Speaker 3: I can't. No, there's a name. There's a name for it.
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  Speaker 3: It's something like disaster. I think I called it disaster
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  Speaker 3: and I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, I can't find it right now, but it's in
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  Speaker 3: here and it's bad. But yes, I would like to
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  Speaker 3: publicly apologize.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you apologized to me probably in quarterly
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  Speaker 4: since it happened, for.
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  Speaker 3: The mistake, and like to say, that's not anything related
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  Speaker 3: to why you haven't been back on. So we just
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  Speaker 3: haven't had a lot of guests. We really really, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we just don't do it. Takes a certain special guest
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  Speaker 3: that can come on this podcast and stay in Bantertown
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  Speaker 3: with us.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, So take up temporary residence
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  Speaker 1: in Bantertown.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well I was kicked out of Bannertown that day.
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  Speaker 4: It's been four years. It's been four years.
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  Speaker 3: You told me it was four years. Well it's when Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I call it's called disaster. I found it. Well, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm playing it had if you.
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  Speaker 2: Had more then it was like disaster one, disaster two.
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  Speaker 2: You have so many disasters that you're like, no, it's
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  Speaker 2: not that one. I think I loved it, just disasters.
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  Speaker 3: So if anybody ever searched, they wouldn't know what it
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  Speaker 3: was about kind of thing, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But of course that's.
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  Speaker 4: Very I mean, I'll click that's right.
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  Speaker 3: I just realized now that's like clickbait, so everyone's going
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  Speaker 3: to want to see what that.
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  Speaker 4: Is, the greatest thing though, to do to John because
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  Speaker 4: he Harbor's skill. I know, I know you do. John's
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  Speaker 4: a tortured person, and so the greatest Jeffrey, I call
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  Speaker 4: it John Driver guilt. Like if we get like if
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  Speaker 4: we feel like guilty, like like, it's John Driver guilt.
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  Speaker 4: So the greatest thing ever to do is just just
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  Speaker 4: to bring it up a while.
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  Speaker 1: Remember that one time you get your lunch paid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, you don't want to get sure don't want
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  Speaker 2: to get our lunch. Remember that time you almost destroyed
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  Speaker 2: my career?
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  Speaker 4: So good, Well, it's good to be back. Yeah, let's
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  Speaker 4: create disaster number two.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we're on our way. Uh but first, guys, let's
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  Speaker 2: take a minute a disaster here from a few of
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  Speaker 2: our fine sponsors.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so no disaster today.
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  Speaker 3: We hope.
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  Speaker 2: Let's all loose lips sink ships. That's our friends.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, keep it.
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  Speaker 1: But it's part of the deal.
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  Speaker 3: Is at least got so much going on?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you just we feel so free when we talk
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  Speaker 2: about well we do we kind of self censor. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: there's things that we don't bring up because we're like,
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  Speaker 2: well there's that's a dead end or this is a
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  Speaker 2: thing that people were very polarized about and we kind
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  Speaker 2: of hold ourselves. Plus we just don't like editing the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, what's the point, We're just going to
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: edit this out? Yeah, if we get off the rails.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: But yeah, sometimes you just get so free and you're like,
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: oh wow, I forgot there's an NBA about that, or
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: I mentioned that I think I've been on the road
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: with Nate before and mentioned a couple like behind the
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: scenes things about Nayley World, and then I'm like, let's
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: cut it out. I don't that's not that's weird. You know.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: I've had a couple of book things I've cut out
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: a few times, like, yeah, I probably shouldn't have gone
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: that far because if I'm in it still.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Because I don't want it to look like I'm trying
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: to leverage anything for something like oh, you want to
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: tell tales on your podcast. It's like come on, man,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not that guy. But it's never been like all yeah,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: you just like sometimes you're just excited. You got to
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: experience something. You're like, yeah, probably shouldn't have said that
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: though on the pod. Yeah it's too late and your
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: life is ruined. Lord, it'll be fun. We're all going
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: to be fine.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: I theorized that moments like that is when you are
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: grateful that you're small in this world. Yeah, that's true,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, because that really could destroy
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: somebody with a huge, huge platform kind of thing.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: The news cycle moves so fast now though, it's really
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: hard to think of anything being that ultimately, like it
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: has to be so big now. It can't just be
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: like a faux pas. Faux paus are like, well that
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: was nothing. Yeah, yeah, it used to be. Yeah, you're right,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: but now I just don't know. The standards have changed
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: a whole lot.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: They have.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: You can say a lot of stuff, even in a
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: large one.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: It's pretty formed.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: But I do think that from my own career, like
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: being I have enough followers to have a career and
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I don't have enough followers that it makes me feel
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: like an unyielding pressure and like it's going to ruin
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: my life if I don't do ABC. Like it's kind
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: of like a happy medium. I'm under the radar enough,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: but to a lot of people, I'm a big deal.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: But it's a very small amount of people. There's the
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: right amount. Yeah, Like if I.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Get recognized in the grocery store, it's still fun. It's
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: not like forty people, right, you know, it's like one
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: person every couple of weeks. And I got they go
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: watch your videos, go oh I think Curry.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Goes, oh boy, here we go.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're a local passage, we're recognized in that.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you run for people, you're hiding behind the melons.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: It's almost always people that left your church ten years
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: ago for something and you're like, it's fine, I'm not
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: upset or whatever. I just I just want to buy
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: the groceries, you know. But we're talking stopping talk usually,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: but I feel like they feel awkward. I'm saying, dude,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: you know, everybody leaves church at some point for the
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: most part, except you too. John's I've never forgotten. We're
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: hanging in still here.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: That's what makes that's what makes that's what makes this
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: so hard the moment.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: That's why we're here to be guys.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: The thing is, it's my turn to do a segment.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: It's one we call. They talked about that you've got
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: to sing too.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: M M.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: I would have ruined that I couldn't do good. I
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: like started a hum and then I realized that I
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: can't think so sometimes.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I think the last week one and it was it
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: was Pitchy Dog Quit Pitchy Dog into something I was writing.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: For that's like a really old Jackson American.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Somebody in the edits from the publisher or somebody was like, yeah,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: that's getting that's getting out there, that's getting real gen Z.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, it's good, but that's like cringey
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: because you're referencing Randy Jackson from American Idol.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Right when I was like eight, Yeah, but millennial.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: But I was a gen Z watching that, you know
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So that's when I watched American Idol
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: was in those years. I don't watch American Idol anymore.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: So anyway, I took it out as a long.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Story, Z you were a gen X watching it, Z guys,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I meant gen X I'm sorry.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Thing here I'm sorry was a real gen X thing
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: to say. I got my letters mixed up. I was
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: recording everything we said offline anyway, all right.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: That whole thing was sus that's what I think.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: That's what it's all.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I was like, there's some things that we're gonna write
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: for a gen Z slash military audience that we have
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: to be careful because it won't it won't age because
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: the one thing they don't want us doing if we
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: are coach acting like we can speak in that language.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: So you gotta find like this middle ground, you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: like you can say low key or something, but like
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: you're gonna if you say sus, you're gonna look sus.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, You're gonna look like an imposter.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I don't like susposer.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: I can't get behind that one.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: I think Sus has already passed, Like yeah, riz, yeah, no,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: you can't.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Pretty quick.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: The last thing someone wants is a Bible study from
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: a publishing company where someone saying that because they're gonna
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: assume that an old person wrote that, you're trying to
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: sound young, so I don't even try.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, You're just so gen z
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: though they're just very X.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I'm actually exitio by apologize for mixing up my letters.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah today, Tim Keller. Tim Keller passed I think two.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Years ago, and it was longer than that, but maybe
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: you know, I.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Read a lot of Clive Staples Lewis quotes tim Keller
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: as like a pastor in my lifetime. It's probably someone
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I'd like to be like the most. And he didn't
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: care about being a star, being a popular It's nothing
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: like that. Just I think a guy who you know,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: because he was human and because he was able to
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: share his struggles. He didn't try to act like perfection.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: And maybe something comes out about Tim Keller, I don't
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: know or whatever, but I feel like that he I
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: feel like that he shepherd, did well and try to
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: find the right He pastored in New York City Redeemer Church,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: and but he tried to do things right. And I
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: really he was an amazing writer. Amazing writer. So a
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: little jealous of Tim Keller, but I still his stuff
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: still speaks to me.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: He said, without an understanding of.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: The gospel, we will either naively let's start again. Without
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: understanding of the gospel, we will be either naively utopian
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: or cynically disillusioned. We will be demonizing something that isn't
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: bad enough to explain the mess we are in, and
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: we will be idolizing something that isn't powerful enough to
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: get us out of it. This, in the end, is
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: what all other worldviews do. So he's talking about the
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: gospel being a different kind of worldview, we will either
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: be demonizing something that's not bad enough to explain the
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: mess we're in. And I think that we're talking about
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: that lunch a little bit today, like we all kind
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: of have these reasons, whether politically, ideologically, whether just fear
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: of the world changing, you know, these reasons why we're
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: in the mess we're in. And the Gospel would say
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: we're in the mess we're in because of our separation
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: from God. Right, it would make it that all those
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: other things are symptoms of something, not a cause or
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: its origin, or we'll be idolizing something that we think
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: if we could just get these things to change. And
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I want to be clear, like there's a difference between
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: changing the world right and changing the country or changing
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: your community or whatever in this very moment. So it's
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: obviously Keller's talking, I think on a grander scale, but
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: there is that belief like if we could just get
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: this right, and I see it with people. There are
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: people who are going to head into the election this
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: year and they're going to think, if we could just
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: get X thing voted one way or another, and I
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: don't care what side you're on or whatever, then it's
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: going to fix everything, yeah, and then when it doesn't,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: they either become disillusioned to his point with the thing
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: they voted for that they got, or more likely they
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: just become demonizing of some other thing that stopped their
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: utopian idea from happening. Well, it would have gone this way,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: but X blocked it or why blocked it? And if
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: we could just get rid of X and why then
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: And it's always like it's a never ending cycle. So
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: basically saying like the Gospel takes us out of both
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: of those things. I'm not trying to talk to the
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: church about that a lot. Acknowledging anything wrong in the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: world or the way that we think about it will
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: get you accused in church world of being political. Even
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: if you never say the word politics, or if you say, guys,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: this is not political, then people will think that's that's political.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: But I always trying to say, like, you know, there
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: is no there is no.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Ideology on left or right that can encapsulate the full
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: life transformation of the Gospel, like we don't. We're not
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: on this plane between left and right, like we're like
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: the Gospel is above that plane and it should be
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: looking down on it. Do you ever find like something
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: in your whether it is in your politics or in
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: your ideology of the of the way the world works,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: that you say, okay, yeah, this gets it. This aligns
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: completely with the Gospel. Like you're not going to find
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: a kingdom that aligns with God's Kingdom all the way.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: It doesn't exist because God's Kingdom won't play second fiddle
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: to any other kingdom. He just won't. In the end,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: God's Kingdom will reign and everything else we're trying to do.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: We can be people from God's Kingdom in God's Kingdom
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: trying to affect our communities or our our civic processes,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: our social processes, and that's all good. We're supposed to
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: show up differently as people, but we can't institute the
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Kingdom of God on earth as it is in Heaven
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: without God himself as King on earth as it is
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: in heaven. And it's just not time yet for that,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: until He chooses for all that.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: So, like I say, there's this middle ground.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: So yes, effect and raise and change, But man, we're
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: either going to be you know, naive or disillusioned one
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: way or another when we seek after something from the
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: world that the world is not equipped to give. We're
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: expecting something from it, we're demanding something from it, we're
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: hoping something from it, and then's just constantly disappointing us
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: or constantly making us angry to go to the next stage.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: And the answer is, don't expect something from the world
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: that only the Gospel can give, because it's not gonna
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: happen and come from it. So that's not like a
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: really long diet tribe with very little discussion from either
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: one of you.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate that, except that you get a word
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: in edgewise. You may have thoughts.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you may.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Not have disillusion dan and cynical.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Wait wait, yeah, that's that's the same.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm all of it.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it was good. I like, yeah, I'm a yeah,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I'm a big killer guy too. It's interesting, uh, like
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: people trying to it's like his legacy has been under fire.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I noticed from like hardliners. It's always it's fascinating, you know,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: as far as like the everybody gets everybody decides what's
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: woke and what's not woke now and I don't know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I'm bothered by all that stuff. Man, this is a
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: faithful it seems like a very faithful person. Uh, I
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: If you find your yeah, I had to be this way.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Maybe there's just me being defensive of tim Keller. But
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: if you find yourself called tim Keller woke like number one,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: go read all his books first. Before you do that,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: educate yourself. Why would I read the books woke pastor understand?
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Understand what he said? And poison Number two, define woke
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: on paper for yourself. Come up with a definition, functional definition.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: See if you can do it. You know what I'm saying,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: like for real, If you can do it, and then
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: what I always say with anything like this is number three.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Decide which scriptures that he talked about ad nauseum that
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: you disagree with. I mean, because if the man's making
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: a scriptural argument, then you have to either be upset
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: with him or you have to be upset with the Bible.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Pick you know what I'm saying. But if what he's.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Saying is what the Bible says, then it's not really
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: tim Keller. You're mad at you know what I'm saying,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: and that's hard for all of us. The Bible should
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: offend you, it causes you to change. So take the
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: opportunity from the offense to see if us the Bible
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: really says and move forward with it. So anyway, I
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: know you wanted more from me on that, So I
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: appreciate you.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, a lot.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: One thing I wanted to do before I do my segments, John,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: is we don't have a chance to have to talk
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: about Ali's new project. Can you want to talk about
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: it a little bit?
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: An you want to talk about it.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about that.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Let's do it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Because Ali has like really like cut her teeth in
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: this documentary world, which is so cool to watch her
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: get into this and great storytelling. And so tell me
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: about the project, how it filmed, your lap all that stuff.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, So I've mentioned before I'm a director, producer. I've
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: been able to produce different projects nationally internationally. I've worked
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: on some commercial things. I've done all that, but I
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: really love docs and that's what Lisa and my company
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: is focused on. Holl Intel Productions. And the way it
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: came about actually which I will tell what it is
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: actually is, but I'm just teeing it up. The way
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: it came about is Lisa's connected pretty well into the
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Secret Service, a lot of former agents and everything because
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: of obviously mister Hill and everything that all the projects
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: she's worked on and from that, one of the agents
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: named Barbara Riggs that rode on horseback with President Reagan
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: because he had to have agents that could ride, which
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: would that was a whole new thing for the agency.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: So she spent a lot of time with President Reagan
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: at his ranch and in DC and everywhere, and she
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: does these talks all around about her time with Reagan
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: and his love of horses and how the West really
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: influenced his character. And so through a long series of events,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: we decided that'd be a great dog. So we produced
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: with her as an executive producer and Lisa and Not
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: co directed the documentary called The Cowboy President about Rond
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Reagan's character and how, you know, like I said, the
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: West and his love of horses and love of the
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: land really influenced him as a person. It's not political,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: it's literally a character, you know, study of him. Yeah,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: and we got to speak to a lot of people.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: His son, Michael Reagan was we interviewed him before he
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: passed away, and a lot of agents that rode within
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: and yeah, it's we're really proud of it. It's it's
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: been an amazing project to work on and had some
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: amazing collaborators and we're almost done with post production now
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: we've had a full original score written, so we're working
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: with the composer on all of that and that's neat.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: It's exciting.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: So it's very exciting.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been really really fun. We got to spend
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: some time at Ranchard Elcielo, his beloved ranch, which that
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: was great. Yeah. Where is that at California, California Standard
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: bar area.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really cool.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fascinating.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about Reagan many times on the show
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: because he always winds up in This Week in History
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: sometimes because of like some quip he said, or I mean,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: it's remarkable how funny he was, how personable he was,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it's fascinating like those those those those times.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I remember one one time he was on and I
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: was remembering when he ran for a re election and
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: people were saying, is he too old? Which is almost
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: hilarious now because he was in his early seventies, but
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: people were sayingsy too old and blah blah blah. And
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: he said in one of the debates and he said,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I know that age has been become a big factor
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: in my reelection, but I want to let my opponent
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: know that I will not hold his lack of experience
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: against him. And it was such a funny line that
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: it made Mondale.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Laugh in the film.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was such a great line that it
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: killed all of that went away, like that's how much.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Then he picked up his drink by the way and
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: took his sip afterwards because he knew he was like check.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's game. So but I
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: mean when it makes the guy who was probably spearheading
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: that thing and he goes, I gotta give it up.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: You got me as it's like a great roast joke.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: You're like, all right, that's really offense. That's funny, that's
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: really funny.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: You got me so good. And so it's been really
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: interesting to learn about him. And I love studying all
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: different leaders, whether it be Republican, Democrat, you know, it
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter. I find it so fascinating to like dive
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: into people's characters and what makes them who they are.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: And it was really resounding from the interviewees and the
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: people that spent time with him that no matter what
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: their own personal politics no matter what. Like he was
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: a good man and and they all loved him. And
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: I think it's really really turned out beautifully, so that's cool.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I can't wait. I can't wait to see it. Do
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: we have any idea of like timeline on it or anything.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: Well, again, we're almost done with post, so you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: find a home for it. It's the next step.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: And stay tuned somewhere.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: If you want to follow the progress, you can follow
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: me on Instagram at Alison A L Y s O
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: N L. Holland Alison. I'll have updates there.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that you don't know, that's what you're here.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: You can get on there and do it. Let's drop
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: up the show with my segments. John first of his
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: old jokes. We call it joke about that, John, did
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: you know that fifty percent of married people say that
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: they are unhappily married? This is according to a poll
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I took earlier today at my house.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I always got a spit take. She'd take a big drink.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I was hoping. I call that a mondale. Call that
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: pull On a Monday, John, a man walks into a
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: bank with a fifty dollars bill. I can't decide what
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: the savest thing to do with this money is, says
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the man. Put in the bank, says the tailler. What
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: if there's a recession, says the man. If the bank fails, Uh,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the bank administration guarantees your money back, says the tailler.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: What if the administration fails. If the administration fails, the
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: state treasury guarantees your money back. What if the state
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: treasury goes bust? Well, if the state treasury fails, federal
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Treasury guarantees your money back. What if the federal treasury
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: goes bust, Well, then the US government will guarantee you
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: your money back. What if the US government goes bust?
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Says the man exasperated. Are you telling me you wouldn't
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: pay fifty bucks for that? Says the clerk.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, am I right?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Government this guy?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: John?
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Finally, what is the difference between a filthy greyhound terminal
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: and a lobster with plastic surgery?
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: One is a krusty bus station and the other is
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: a busty crustacean. Yes, this thing.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: That's I like a good wordplay, like resal.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I like that, John, Let's do this week in History.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: To wrap up the show, we call it. Talk about
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: then John. This week two thousand and six, a hot
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: dog measuring one hundred and ninety seven feet broke the
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: record for the world's longest hot dog and had a
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: bun measuring one hundred and nine eight feet, which is
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: a bummer. You're gonna make one hundred ninety seven foot
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: hot dog and you're still gonna make the bun a
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: little bit too long? What are we doing? That's what
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: that's the part of it that I will get. Hey,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: everybody get a piece. I'll be like I got all bun.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Over here, got the six inches of bun on this end.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Get out of here.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: It was made by the Shizuoka Chizuoka Meat Producers of Chizuoka,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Japan and the All Japan Bread Association, a rare partnership
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: between the two. This this record was broken five years
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: later in twenty eleven by hot dog measuring wait for it,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: six hundred and sixty nine feet. They destroyed the record,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: over three times the length and weighing approximately two hundred
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and sixty pounds.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the what's the how do you craft hot
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: The breadth of this hot dog? Is it a normal
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: like it's probably cylindrical size, I'd say it's.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: A little it's probably a little bigger. It's probably a
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: big log.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, but like the log size the telephone something
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Fetus is like, that's true. The links of like a
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: cruise shop.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: I wish they could pull them the photo.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: There wasn't a little photo.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: But I couldn't tell from the photo because it could
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: be zoomed in. But I couldn't tell if it was
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: just like a little narrow hot dog that's just really long,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: or feel like, how do you make it like that
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: long with that breaking? I don't know how they're doing this.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: The casing is probably important. I bet it was pretty unedible.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Like I dot, it was like a most delicious hot
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: dog you've ever had. It's probably just a gimmick, right,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: it's a stunt.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's for the world record.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying is like some few of these
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: world records and you go, but yeah, show it to me,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and they go, oh no, you can't.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: They just can't eat it.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: It's like those cakes that aren't cake. They go, it's
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: a suitcase, but it's a cake, but the cake's not good.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Nobody goes, this is the most delicious case. It's all
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: like the top of it's all fondant. Yeah, all right, guys,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: we get it, We get it. I don't know how
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: to say fund it. Sorry on cake. For all we
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: know insecurity is is French. I'm telling you what John
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: speaking of witch in no way whatsoever.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: This week nineteen oh one, Louis Armstrong was born, had
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: New Orleans tie.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: So that's a little I love.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Him all that, Oh John, almost good?
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: That wasn't bad? That was a little. Yeah. He was
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Theerica American Hall of Fame jazz musician known as Satchmo.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Did you know that the nickname was Satue? I've heard
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: do you know why he was Satchmo?
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Come on, wait for it and see it's pretty once.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I say, you're gonna get it. Do you know, allie
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: man satchel mouth because he had the big cheeks. They
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: said he could fit like billiard balls in his mouth. Wow.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: And that's part of what gave him that, because he
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: could really hold a note forever. Yeah, Satchmo satchul Mouth.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Uh interest. Yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: He is considered the first and greatest solo jazz musician.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Armstrong wore the Star of David his entire adult life
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to honor the Jewish family who took him in at
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the age of seven and lent him the money to
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: buy his first cornet cornett corn It trumpets a cornet.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Cornet fund.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go home, John this week. Jesse Wilford
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Reno was born in eighteen sixty one. He was an
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: American invenor. He patented the first working escalator. I love
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: that it's working escalator. Before this is stairs, buddy, we
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: can't just fired up. Eighteen ninety two was the first
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: which I would have. I'm trying to what would you
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: have thought if I'd said first working escalator you fought
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds? Late eighteen hundreds, Yeah, I out of thought
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: later early. The idea for his inclined elevator is what
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: he called. It was originally part of his proposal to
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: build an underground New York City subway. The subway proposal
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: was rejected, but the inclined elevator caught on. It included
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: a rubber coated moving handrail, same design as today, and
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: a calm of protect projected fingers on the ends to
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: help prevent feet from getting caught in the mechanism. Again,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: that's the same exact design that we have today, and
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: no one's ever been caught at an escalator, no one's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: ever been hurt. The first one was demonstrated at Coney Island,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: New York, transported some seventy five thousand people during its
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: two weeks stay there. It was then moved to the
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Manhattan entrance of the Brooklyn Bridge. So he just they
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: roll it a big set of stairs. I guess, like
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: those stairs they put up against planes. Maybe seventy five
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: thousand people were moved. Do you walk on the people
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: movers in the airport, I think it's a waste. Only see.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I only do it if I can see that no
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: one is standing still ahead of me. If I see
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: people standing still on them, riding it like it's a ride,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I go way.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Are you crazy?
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: It looks like they're on a conveyor belt in a
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: factory that makes lazy people.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: That's what I always saying.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: I have debated many a colleague in the airport about
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: those things.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: If nothing, if you've got a free run and you
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: can just like go robot mode, you can robot it
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: mo just purt yes, but there's always somebody standing still
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: that holds up your progress and won't won't that that
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: gets back to the dystopian world that you've painted that
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Tim Keller said we shouldn't have. But I'm just saying
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are moving slow and I don't
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: like it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Crazy side note, I'm actually terrified of escalators, I know,
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: but I'm going to obviously get on them all the time.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: And I normally have gear and all kinds of stuff,
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: and I don't know, shout out to my mom. She
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: scared me then when I was little, and she didn't
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: mean to, but she was like, hey, you know, I
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: always have your shoelaces, you know, yeah, tuggs or whatever.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know if she'd read a story about some
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: kid getting her shoelace. I don't even remember. I just
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: know from that point on, every time I step on,
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: no matter what, I hesitate a little bit before I
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: actually get on.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: We had a bad We're coming on from one of
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: our trips, and Sadie was her first time putting a
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: suitcase on one and she didn't think in time because
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: she's already a little nervous to get on right and
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: to turn it, you know, and the suitcase went tumbling down.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I think it hit Laura and it was like a
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: whole thing, and Sadie was so like, you know, but
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: she does. She's like a champ now. But I like
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: suitcase escalators for kids or.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: No, it's a lot of thing, you know, And so
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: I always just a little hesitate, like I'm like, oh,
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: I don't want to miss the step.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Just to hurry.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Stresses out every time we go to the airport because
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: we'll have four suitcases, two each, and I'll have my
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: guitar in my backpack on my shoulders. I got two,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: she's got two, and she's got her bag on one
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: of the suitcases. And then I don't like waiting for
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: the elevators, so we just go escalator all the way.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: But you have to like line up your slots and
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: if you get a little loft yep. And every time
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: she freaks out and I'll look at I'll look back
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: at her like you did it, you got it, because
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: sometimes not so much.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Sometimes there's hanging off and you're holding on to their problems.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: And she's struggling with it. And then I feel like
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: a heel because I'm dragging this woman through the airport
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: with all our merch, because we carry like two hundred
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: pounds of merge on the road with us because I
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: won't ship it because I'm cheap.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how much is it?
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: It flies free? It flies free on the Southwest.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Shout out to the Southwest, not because you're a list,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: only because I'm because.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Now they're charging this. They actually paid my first bag
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: charge of Southwest a few weeks ago when I was
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: just like, you know what, Yeah, this is.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Not the same way. You know what Keller's wrong. The
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: world really has.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Turned on it Southwest. Yeah, I take it all back now.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Well now they'll never be a sponsor, but I love
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: you Southwest campaigning for the wind. Now.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Remember when alist preferred was cool though, because you got
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: free WiFi.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Now they give a free wife out everybody. But what
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: do we do?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: It is mobile, not hopefully not sponsor. We're just like
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: burning bridges to this, taking it down.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: That's it for me. John. I'm glad that you jumped
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: aboard our escalator today.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: With no hesitation, with.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: No hesitation, even not knowing if it was gonna work
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: or be one of those prepatent models.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that we You know, the great
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Mitch Hedberg.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Joke about escalators, right, is that an escalator can never
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: be out of order. It can only be temporarily stairs. Yeah, yeah,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: he said he saw sign this escalator out of order.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I saw some motivational thing.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I was like, sorry, sorry for the convenience. That's what.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: That's escalator temporarily stairs, Sorry for the convenience.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: There was some motivational thing or the day. It was
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: like somebody stuck on an escalator. They think they have
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: to wait for it to come back on, you know
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I've seen a video of that where they
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: just they just stop ask people on it and they
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: just look around, like what.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Do we do now?
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: You're like, but it was like, hey, man, that's where
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: you are in life, Like you feel like it's all stopped.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: You know, you can still keep moving. It's just different
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: than it was before. So guys, I'm like, we're just
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: inspired inspired they are, We're just yeah.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: But the broken escalator, the John Driver's store.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Hey, jeez, listen, I will say it's I told somebody
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: today it was like again the last book, the one
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I'm writing now. I think we said this before, but
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: literally every publisher I know in the country, Christian otherwise
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: turned it down, including the one I have, and they
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: called back like you just never do do?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: You just never know? Sometimes?
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: You know, my dad would say his favorite proverb and
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: he read the Living Bible, which was like the original
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: paraphrase okay, so not new living which is a translation,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: but original paraphrase before the message or the passionary of
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: those things, and it was, you need to plant all
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: of your seeds because who knows, maybe they'll all grow,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: and so the idea, So I maybe live a little
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: too obsessively doing that sometimes of I'm going to go
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: get every opportunity I can, and I don't expect them
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: all to grow. Like if you stop expecting everything to
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: work out, then you really do failures not failures becomes
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: like oh that's what happens, I feel most of the time.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: But if I planted twenty seven things and two of
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: them grow, that's great, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: I'm not a very good gardener. Should be clear. This
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: has got a yeah, yeah, you don't want to come
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: eat a green thumb over there in the garden, but yeah, hey,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: so tell us again where they can be following you
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: so they could be watching for when the movie comes out.
• 43:20
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• 43:25
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• 43:26
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• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Holland that's it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll pop up.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of l's in your name.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, there's four els.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: When I married to Holland, it came a lot of else.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you took a lot of l's that day.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Take that, Mondale.
• 43:45
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• 43:46
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  Speaker 3: underd and a lot. It's been a lot.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: You realize that the day ten years, it's over time.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: It wasn't always like every week for time. After the
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: first year, pretty much after the first or second year,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: we really got consistent and we know how to do something.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: To the point we know how to make our legs work.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: When the escalator breaks down, I'll tell you that people.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Well, guys, thanks for the time you gave us today.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. Alison, thank you so
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: much for joining me. Yeah, we'll see you guys all
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: next week here
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: On I talk about that