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Community and the Lure of the Disco Ball (with Kelly Porter) · It's All Poetry

• Nicole (01:30) Hi Kelly! Kelly (01:32) Hi Nicole (01:33) So so happy you're here. my goodness. This is so funny because I feel like we never see the inside of each other's like offices. Kelly (01:41) wait, I was thinking that I was like, I like her decorations. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my stuff. That's my stuff. Nicole (01:47) yourself. because you're you're actually the first person I've had on the podcast that I know more in person than I do online. Like so many of my business relationships are on the internet, so Kelly (01:57) How exciting. How exciting. Nicole (02:00) I know. okay, and you're here because this is a special season on mentors, which means that I am chatting with a bunch of people that I have learned the most from over the years. And I've now been coming to Bar Roots. So to introduce everyone to Kelly before I get into it, Kelly Porter is the founder Kelly (02:17) Ha ha ha. Nicole (02:18) of Bar Roots, Matt Pilotti's Bar Kelly (02:20) Yay. Nicole (02:22) Matt Studio in Fort Myers, Florida, where I have been going for two years, and it is the best. exercise experience of my life. So that is why Kelly is one of my top mentors because she is my my body mentor. Kelly (02:35) I love that so much. I love that. Nicole (02:38) Is there anything else you want people to know about you before we get started? Kelly (02:44) not I nothing in particular, I guess. Nicole (02:48) Mm-hmm. Kelly (02:49) I don't know, just just just Kelly just Kelly, just Kelly. Nicole (02:53) Yeah. Can you believe I've been coming for two years now? It was like July two years ago. Kelly (02:57) Isn't that insane? I I Nicole (02:58) Yeah, it is. Kelly (03:00) love stuff like that. I love hearing that July and it really we just hit the two year mark. I had someone else, Hannah, she I guess August 1st is her one year, and she had like Snapchatted her mom on the way to her first class and was like, Why is it so scary going to a new place? And her mom screenshot it and Hannah sent it to all of us on her anniversary. Isn't that funny? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nicole (03:21) now she's teaching. I love that's so great. okay. Well, today we're talking about the word community. And I wanted to talk to you about this word because not only is Bar Roots like a place where we work out, it's also a place where we hang out and we like get to know each other. And you've built a community, I think, in a way that's really unique to the Pilates workout world. I mean, I do think people make friends in there, like. Kelly (03:47) Sure. Nicole (03:47) Yoga and Pilates classes, but I do think what you've built is something really, really special. So what does the word community mean to you? Kelly (03:56) My gosh, it's so funny that that you were like, okay, can I have you on the podcast? And I want to talk about the word community because it is like it's my favorite word. It is my favorite word. I feel like it is what I talk about all day, every day. community to me is like my safe place. Community is just, it's not a it's well, I say safe place, but it doesn't have to be like a physical place. It's being with people, it's like your invisible bubble, right? Where you just feel like the best version of yourself and you're not second guessing anything and you feel so supported, like you like you're getting a hug all the time from someone, but like emotionally, spiritually, energetically, like, you know, all the things. And that's that's community to me. It doesn't have to be a place or, you know, anything like that. It's just like when you're with your people and you just feel so good. That is community. Nicole (04:42) Yeah. Yeah. Do you feel that at Bar Roots? Kelly (04:45) A thousand percent. A thousand percent. I kind of forget more times than I like to admit that like, right, right, right. I I'm in charge. I'm in charge here. Or like like this is the business. People aren't just coming to hang out, you know. I'm like, cause this is it's my world, you know. You guys leave and have lives and like this is my world. I'm like, we're back doing this again. We did it yesterday, we're doing it again today. Like, yeah, yeah. Nicole (05:10) Yeah. How has the word do you think like changed for you over your life? Like did it what was community like for you when you were a child? Kelly (05:19) I didn't understand the concept. I come from a very small family. And when I tell you small family, like six, seven family members extended. Like Nicole (05:28) Mm. Kelly (05:28) that's my side. I have no siblings. I have no cousins. Like I am it. I'm it. and so I think finding community was always really important for me. And and growing up, I always had like, you know, friends and groups of friends and you know, that I ran with and stuff, but always those insecurities and And again, I'm gonna talk about this from a very skewed point, right? It's my point of view, and maybe other people view this differently, but but in growing up, you know, I would have those friend groups, and maybe like one friend would talk badly about the other or something. There's always something going on or whatever. Nicole (05:59) Hmm, yeah. Kelly (06:01) And not to say I wasn't innocent in all of it, right? Like, hello, I'm human. But but this is just this has become something different. And again, my journey and how I got into the fitness world because I was not a gym rat like at all. Nicole (06:15) Ha ha ha. Kelly (06:16) But how I got here was a little different too, right? With the immense amount of anxiety I was dealing with and just finding this movement was helpful. And I was like, okay, I know this can do it for someone else. And and we've established this community where like it is impossible. I mean, I think that you can attest to this, it is impossible to walk in and stay in a bad mood. Like you leave and you just feel like your glass has been filled. You just feel like the day has been turned around. Like you cannot leave that place upset. You can't leave your people upset or Even a hangout when like, you know, some of us get together and we go grab food or like we hang at someone's house, like you just smiles ear to ear, like you just feel so good. So yeah. Nicole (06:53) Yeah. I think the disco ball might have something to do with it too. Yeah. Kelly (06:57) That's how I lower them in. That's it's like my white ban. The disco ball is my white ban. Look at my disco ball. Lock the door. No. Nicole (07:02) Yes. Yeah. okay, let's look at the word because it can be fun to well, it is fun. That's the whole reason that we do this podcast. It is fun to like look into Kelly (07:14) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nicole (07:15) the word and say, like, how does this jive with the way we actually like use it now? so I'm gonna read the modern definition first. And I want us to kind of think of it as imperfect, like it's a rough draft. Like we can disagree with it. We can be like, no, I don't like that part. Or we can just love it all, which is fine. But the modern definition is split into three categories, which is fun because I think it this talks a lot like about what you were saying about community, like that it's more of a less of a place, more of a group. Is that how you put it? Yeah. Kelly (07:48) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nicole (07:49) Yeah. Cause it ha the three definitions are a unified body of individuals, and it like people living in a common area, common characteristics. Professional interests, right? And then the second Kelly (08:02) Mm-hmm. Nicole (08:02) definition is and this one I kind of forgot about, so it was fun to read, but it's a state or feeling of caring about, like sense of community. Mm-hmm. Kelly (08:11) Ooh, I just got goosebumps. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. Nicole (08:16) Yeah, yeah. and then the third is society at large, like the interests of the community. So place is actually not really a part. It's more about interest or participation. Kelly (08:30) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what's really interesting? years ago there was a study done. I think Harvard did the study and it was saying now where like people used to back in the day, they would congregate at church. Like Sundays, they Nicole (08:43) Hm. Kelly (08:44) would go to church and that was their community. And now, as things are evolving, that is no longer the way and people are finding their community in other outlets. And it's not going to that place like we meet here. It's not that at all. It's it's various groups in various places and just your people. It's your people Nicole (09:03) Yeah. Kelly (09:03) and I love that. Nicole (09:04) Yeah. Yeah. Well especially because we're so internet based, right? Kelly (09:08) Yeah. I know. I'm like the fur what was it? I'm the first one that you know more in person than you do online. Yeah. Yeah. Nicole (09:12) Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. so that's really fun. yeah, and I like that it's not connected to place. So some of the synonyms are collective. How's that feel? Good. Collective. We got we got region, so that's more place based. Yeah, a region. Coven, of course. Kelly (09:27) Yeah, yeah, it feels good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shh. Let's get witchy with it. I like it. Let's talk in s I know we call it a cult. Let's just start calling it a coven. We're just gonna start changing it. Yeah. It's the other C word. yeah, yeah, Jilly would love it. Nicole (09:40) We could. Yeah, yeah. I feel like our ritual space friends next door would love that too. The C R. fellowship. Love, love. Kelly (09:51) Okay. Mm-hmm. Nicole (09:54) belonging. Kelly (09:56) Yes. Yes. Ooh, I can get down with that one. Yep. Nicole (10:00) Yeah, and I think that's a lot of times what we're looking for. Like that's like the deeper what we're looking for when we're looking for community is like to belong in a place. Or not even place, belong in a group, belong with a people. Yeah. Kelly (10:12) Mm-hmm. W with the people. Nicole (10:14) Yeah, with a people, with the people working out. okay, let's go back 200 years to 1828. So the 1828, Kelly (10:21) Ooh, okay. Time travel. Nicole (10:24) yes, we're gonna go so far back. Kelly (10:26) Ha ha ha. Nicole (10:27) but 200 years ago, the 1828 dictionary is interesting because it was the first American dictionary from Webster. so he was really trying to like separate us from, you know, Britain. Like, we're our own people now. so a lot of his definitions are are colored with that desire of his. and they're also quite religious usually. So community in 1828, properly, common possession or enjoyment as a community of goods. Kelly (10:57) Uh-huh. Nicole (10:57) So it's like I'm wrapping my brain around it. It's like a community of things. Kelly (11:06) Why do I picture all of us sitting under the disco ball with our trinkets being like we love? We love, right? Make happy. Love. Nicole (11:12) Yeah, I feel like the disco ball is like our our deity our offer. Kelly (11:16) Yeah. When the disco ball wasn't rotating. Hannah was like, We're out of ac we're like, we're off axis, like something's not right here. And I was like, I know, I know. Nicole (11:27) Yeah, yeah. It feels weird. It's like we're used to the motion. We can only balance with the light of the disco bomb. Kelly (11:32) It's gotta be operating. Otherwise Mercury's in the microwave and we're all screwed. So Nicole (11:37) Yeah. But I like this idea of possession. Like do you feel like we all possess bar roots? Kelly (11:46) You know, you know what's so weird that you say that? You Nicole (11:48) Yeah, yeah. Kelly (11:49) know what's so weird is sometimes when I write birthday cards, Nicole (11:54) Mm. Kelly (11:54) I like to just I'm just winging it, man. I don't go with a plan and I just start winging it on like what I'm saying. Sometimes it comes out weird and sometimes it comes out really nice because you're just like literally writing anything. And I was just writing Danielle Laffin's birthday card Nicole (12:10) Hmm. Kelly (12:10) and I always talk about how bar roots is Me, like you walk in and then someone said on Saturday, they're like, This is what Kelly's brain looks like, you know, with the balloons and all this stuff. And I was like, every single thing in here is like my soul, like painted on these walls. But I in Danielle's card, I said I say that often, however, it is just as much a part of me as it is of you. And Barots, Nicole (12:35) Yeah. Kelly (12:35) you walk in there and every single little thing is there because it was impacted by the people who have come in, whether you were there for two classes and you said something that made a difference. or you've been there for two years is like everything about that place is just created by the the the interests of everyone. So and maybe that's why people feel connected when they show up or when they talk to people because you know it's a little piece of them. Like I didn't just make it just based on what I like, you know, I it's a little piece of everybody. Nicole (13:05) Yeah. Well you get so much feedback too. I don't think people are shy about telling you what they want different. Kelly (13:11) No, it's the Kelly effect. Everyone gets super comfy. I love it. Tell me what you want. You want some wet Nicole (13:16) Yeah. Yeah. Kelly (13:17) lavender cloths on your eyeballs? I'll figure it out. Nicole (13:21) that would be nice actually. Let's do that after stretch class. Kelly (13:24) Logistically though, mild nightmare. I was like, how? Nicole (13:30) Yeah. Well, and one thing I wanna share with listeners, one thing that that Kelly does is we like do check marks when we take classes. So we're all trying to come, right? And as many times as we can. And if you hit a certain number, you either get a prize or you get put into a drawing for a prize. And so I feel like literally by participating, we get to take a piece of bar roots home with us. Kelly (13:51) No, that's exactly what that is. I love that. I love that. Nicole (13:54) Is that why you did it that way? Is that was did you always know that? Did I just tell you something you're like, Yeah, Nicole, that's why I did that? Kelly (14:03) no. I did not always know that. So no, I got a call on my phone, tried to my things picked it up, you know, technology and future and I don't know what that was, but Nicole (14:10) yeah. Kelly (14:11) no, I never thought about it that way, but I like that too. You know, like you're like a little like ownership stake in it. Like, see, I was here and I was here again and see how much I was here. I own this place now. Nicole (14:20) Yeah. Okay. So so far for community we have belonging and possession of. Belonging to and possession of, which I really like those like two parts of it. Yeah. Kelly (14:28) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nicole (14:30) another part of the eighteen twenty-eight definition is a commonness or a frequency. Like how Yeah? What does it mean? Kelly (14:37) Could get down with that. Okay. I could get down with that. I think, like, the more that you show up, the more frequent you are, the more Nicole (14:47) Mm. Kelly (14:48) like I was gonna try to use the word common, but then Jeremy would definitely think I'm an idiot. The more common you are around, what? so anyway, the more frequent you come around, the bigger part, you know, this this starts to play, the bigger part this community starts to play in your life, Nicole (15:04) Yeah. Kelly (15:05) and you play in this community. So the more the more you frequent, the deeper into the community you c you become. Nicole (15:12) The more frequent, the more you get on the same frequency. Kelly (15:17) That's why we that's probably why we make the joke. I like that. That's probably why Nicole (15:19) Yeah, I think so. Kelly (15:21) we make the jokes of like when people join the unlimited, I'm always like, Yeah, you're a cult member now, you know? 'Cause like Nicole (15:26) Mm, mhm. Kelly (15:27) if you're doing that, you're coming often enough. Now you're a pot of the cult. So but Nicole (15:30) Yeah, yeah. But you do let people leave if they want to. So it's Yes. Kelly (15:34) You're allowed to leave. You're allowed to leave. It's nothing crazy. Yeah, yeah. I mean we just got tattoos and stuff, you know, but like you can leave. Just go. Nicole (15:43) Wait, I thought we were getting tattoos soon. I didn't miss it, did I? yes, Ryan. I'm ready. Okay, great. Yes, Kelly (15:46) Next Friday. No, next Friday. The post goes up to today. Ooh. Yeah. Nicole (15:52) I'm excited. okay. let's walk further backwards in time. This is my favorite part. Well, first, before we do that, actually. Backwards for my favorite part. let's look at some milestones of community. So in 1972, community service entered American English, like the concept of You did something wrong, so now you have to do community service. Interesting. Kelly (16:15) I was like, yes, serve the commun yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Nicole (16:17) Yeah. As a yeah. in nineteen forty-seven we get community college. So that's the first introduction of that. Mm-hmm. Kelly (16:26) I like that. Nicole (16:28) nineteen nineteen, we get community chest, which is a fund of donations pooled to cover social wealth welfare in a town. Pooled resources. And then if we go back to 1400, okay, jump, jump, we get two senses that arrive in English at almost the same moment. So we get common possession or enjoyment, and also a society or association of persons having a common interest or occupation. So 1400 is where like both of those are in existence at the same time. Kelly (17:02) Mm-hmm. Nicole (17:03) But before that, so the first appearance in English was actually community. I'm gonna say it wrong. It's spelled C O U N I T E. So commune communate it. Commune. Commune. Kelly (17:14) Te comut cummunit, cumune te nana. Nicole (17:21) my researchers spelled it out phonetically for me and I still can't I still can't do it. Kelly (17:25) Still not working. Nicole (17:26) Yeah. but yeah. But it meant a number of people associated by living in the same place. Kelly (17:35) Place. How interesting. Do you know what's really funny? The only one that I can't jive with, and I feel like maybe like someone tried to take it in a different direction, is community service because it's used in like a negative connotation and Nicole (17:47) Yeah. Kelly (17:48) it's used like, you messed up. You need to figure out how to serve your community. But listen, if you don't want to do it in the first place, don't hang around, man. Don't do it. That's the only one I can't get I can't get down with. The other ones I Nicole (17:55) Yeah. Yeah. Kelly (17:57) like. Even community or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the only one I can't get down with. Nicole (17:59) Community. Yeah. No, it is. It's it's using community as a punishment. And yeah, that's not Kelly (18:08) Yeah. Nicole (18:08) good. Cause when you use something as a punishment, it's like telling your kid like you're in trouble, so now you have to go read a book for an hour. Yeah. Yeah. Kelly (18:15) Yeah, or like go clean your room. Yeah. Or like stuff like that. They're never gonna want to do it. Yeah. So that's weird how like that's just the one. Everything else is fine except for that one. That's weird. Nicole (18:24) Yeah. I had to do community service in order to graduate high school too. That was like part of our thing. But still we didn't want to do it. Like it wasn't necessarily a punishment. Kelly (18:31) Yeah. Nicole (18:31) It was a requirement. But still we were like it framed it as something that was like a Yeah. Kelly (18:37) I've had to do community service both ways and I'll tell you what, it doesn't work either. So I'll Nicole (18:40) Hmm. Kelly (18:41) tell you what, it doesn't make you like it anymore. So Nicole (18:44) Yeah, I'm sure. Kelly (18:45) yeah. Nicole (18:47) Then none of us are helping our community. this seems like a big problem. The more we talk about it, I'm like, this is a problem, actually. Yeah. Kelly (18:52) Yeah, right? We should change this. Who do we talk to? Nicole (18:56) okay. So we also start to get around the late 14th century the common people, which is like positioned as opposed to the rulers or the clergy. So it's the common people being the community, which comes from the old French communauté. So it's like separation and it seems like when they put it like that, it seems almost like lesser than? Kelly (19:22) Yeah. I don't love it. Nicole (19:23) Hm. Yeah. Kelly (19:26) Mm mm. Nicole (19:27) It's a distinct political body. Kelly (19:30) Too much. We're doing too much at this point. There's Nicole (19:31) Ha ha. Kelly (19:32) we're doing too much. I feel like we could have stopped earlier. We didn't Nicole (19:35) Yeah. Kelly (19:36) have to I don't like that. I don't I don't feel like in community there should be like any like everyone's even playing ground. You know what I mean? It's just the community and that's it. Yeah, not Nicole (19:44) Yeah, I agree. Kelly (19:45) not dividing it up in different sanctions, anything like that. Nicole (19:50) Yeah. I feel like community should be encompassing, not excluding. But I guess community does kind of by its nature exclude, right? Kelly (20:00) Maybe a little. But by choice of Nicole (20:04) Mm. Kelly (20:04) people. Like anybody can be in the community, Nicole (20:07) Hm. Kelly (20:07) right? Open to all, but then based on well, I don't know. Nicole (20:11) Yeah, it might depend on the community. I feel like it's it's a word that is like further defined by each community. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Kelly (20:19) Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As to w what are the what are the not like boundaries, but what are the how solid are those lines of the community? Can we break them easily? Do they kind of like blend out, you know, or is it like hard this or that? Nicole (20:36) Yeah, yeah. Hmm. Okay. So everyone gets to define what community means to them. That's easy. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Kelly (20:45) Yeah, there we go. But that is true though, right? It is true. Like just yeah, up for interpretation. Nicole (20:51) Yeah. Which is why at like bar roots we get to define what community means. Like in there it's something warm and fuzzy and somewhere else it might be something hard. Kelly (20:59) Yeah, and why not? Nicole (21:00) I mean, is a cult a community, like a real cult? Kelly (21:04) Yes, yeah, right? Yes, yeah. They have more rules. They have more rules. Yeah, Nicole (21:05) Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I yeah, I think it is Kelly (21:12) yeah, yeah, yeah. By definition. And it is, absolutely. How interesting. Nicole (21:14) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. All right. So the root of community comes from Latin communitatum, which was merely a noun of quality. So it simply means a community of relation or feelings. Kelly (21:34) Yes. Nicole (21:36) So that is at the Kelly (21:36) You know? Nicole (21:36) core of the word. Kelly (21:38) You can never go wrong with the Latin origin. You know what I mean? That's it. I love Nicole (21:41) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Kelly (21:43) that. I love that. Nicole (21:44) Yeah. So even if it can be used wrongly or badly according to our definitions, like in the core there's always that. And I do think Okay, so hearing that root, community of relations or feelings, how do you think that shows up in like the way you build community now? Kelly (22:09) Okay, you know what's funny? Nicole (22:11) Mm-hmm. Kelly (22:12) I said this the other day and I was like, don't ever forget that, Kelly, because that was a really good way to put it. Will we read that Latin definition one more time? Nicole (22:19) Yeah, community of relation relations or feelings. Kelly (22:29) Okay. I like that. I like that a lot. And I like that I think that ties into kind of the frequency point that we were talking about. And this is why I said the other day. I said, and I think actually it's applicable to all communities. So like everybody, please take this, right? World, take this. But Nicole (22:45) Mm. Kelly (22:45) I think that the more real you are, the more you're going to get out of the community. Does that make sense? And that's Nicole (22:56) Yeah. Kelly (22:56) up for that's Different for every person. Nicole (23:00) Mm. Kelly (23:02) So that reminds me of that point. Read the Latin definition one more time. I should write it down. Nicole (23:07) Yeah. That's cool. my gosh, I lost it. Where'd it go? Okay. Community of relations or feelings. Kelly (23:17) Yes. Yeah. Did they use the the the word and the definition? Wait, can Yeah, wait. No. No. It's like wait a minute, you can't do Nicole (23:25) Well, my gosh, they did. I'm like I'm like no. I say very confidently like no. Yeah. Kelly (23:32) that. Nicole (23:33) Yeah. But that's what communitatum meant. Yes. Kelly (23:36) yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So I think that's I think that's true. Because when you start to to where I'm like the more real the more real you are, the more you get out of it. It's like, when you start to open up and speak more about how you feel about things or just putting it out there, I think that then like builds the strength in your community. And again, Nicole (23:57) Mm. Kelly (23:58) that's up to you. So if you come around more often, you build more strength. If you open up more, you build more strength, right? So like For example, the first bar studio ever went to, I went, I I mean, I threw out my package was, but I definitely did the unlimited of whatever it was. I went Nicole (24:12) Mm-hmm. Kelly (24:12) every single day. and I spoke to nobody, actually. I was super frequent and I said nothing. so just a different community, right? So yeah, I like that. Mm-hmm. Nicole (24:23) Yeah. Yeah. And I relate to that a lot. Like community community is a hard con it's been a hard concept for me. Cause I am such a I'm a quiet person. I'm quiet. When I was a child, it w I was like shy. All of my report cards were like, We wish Nicole would talk more. Which I feel like is so much different than what other kids get on their report cards. like she does not disrupt class nearly enough. Kelly (24:48) They're like, Kelly needs to focus. Her grades are bad. Nicole (24:52) My grades were also bad. I was not a good student, but I didn't talk. So they're like, we don't know what's wrong. We don't know how to help her. She won't talk anything. Anyway, that's my drama. All that to say, yeah, Kelly (25:04) That was bad. Nicole (25:05) I think because even we've talked about this before too, because even like when I first started coming to class two years ago, like I would come like right on time. Kelly (25:15) I remember you telling me that. So what what Nicole (25:17) Yeah, right on time. Kelly (25:19) what made that change? Nicole (25:23) you, if I'm being honest, like us becoming friends probably made that difference. Kelly (25:26) Yeah. Nicole (25:27) And also becoming friends with other people in class, right? Like especially because well back then I guess I had like some like we it was smaller. You've grown so much in the past two years. Barroots has grown so much. And it became such it was such a small class sometimes that I became really like close with the people there. and I was just I think I just had to decide at one point. Like and so maybe this is goes to what you're saying. Like I just had to decide like like I'm arriving When I arrive, people are laughing about something that I missed. Right. Like I've chosen to come in last minute so that I don't have to talk. And also I'm missing something. Like it's hard to join the community when you're like hear the laughter and you're like, I wasn't here though. Like I don't know what what the joy is about. Kelly (26:08) Yeah, yeah. And then you just kinda sit quietly, which is okay, right? It's okay. Nicole (26:12) Yeah. Kelly (26:12) You don't like you're not forced to, but yeah, when you kinda come a little early or you stay a couple of minutes after, you know, you start to gosh, you just get so much, you know. Nicole (26:22) Yeah, exactly. And so I I think it was very conscious of like, all right, I'm leaving ten minutes earlier, you know, so I can sit on the mat for ten to fifteen minutes and like chat with people who are there. and now I hang out with people outside of class, which is great. so yeah. Kelly (26:38) See? That's it's it's funny because when I do onboarding with the teachers, which to you know, to kind of reference how long you've been here for, like I was the only teacher when you started. And now Nicole (26:49) Yeah. Kelly (26:49) I just ran payroll this morning and we have 13 people on payroll, which is like the craziest thing ever. I know I was like, we pay how many people? I'm like, my god, okay. Nicole (26:54) Yeah. Kelly (27:00) but something I talked to them about is like, yes, this is a Pilates Sculpt studio. Yes, that is not why people are coming. Nicole (27:06) Mm-hmm. Kelly (27:06) It's just not why people are coming. So when we go through our trainings, I'm like, hey, listen, the minute that first student walks in the door, like whatever you're doing, if you're refreshing the program or if you're working like we gotta drop it, they are showing up at that time, however early. Sometimes it's like 30 minutes early. And Nicole (27:22) gosh. Kelly (27:23) because this is this is what they need and this is what we're here for. Yes, I want you to be a great Pilatescope teacher. My number one priority is serving our people and being there because that's why they're coming. Do you get a good workout anywhere, honestly? Do I think we have a one of the better ones? Yes. But at the end of the day, it's the it that's not why people are here. And I know that. So Nicole (27:38) Yes. Yeah. Kelly (27:43) we lure them in with the disco ball and then we get them to stay. Nicole (27:46) Yeah. Do you think people come Kelly (27:48) No. Nicole (27:49) just from the disco ball? They see the disco ball on social media and they're like, That's the place I wanna go. Kelly (27:54) Yes. Yes. I have gotten that feedback so many times. They were like, we Nicole (27:58) Yeah. Kelly (27:58) saw the Alyssa. That's why Alyssa's here. Alyssa saw Kendall, who they weren't friends. They just like know each other because they're both Fort Myers native local people. And she saw that she was posting on her stories and she's like, I saw a disco ball and I had to I had to come. So when Alyssa posts in her stories, follow the call of the disco ball, she's quite literally serious. She saw she saw the disco ball and called me that day. She picked Nicole (28:20) Yeah. Kelly (28:21) up the phone, called me. And was like, I'd like to come to class and then she was there the next morning. So Nicole (28:25) Yeah. Kelly (28:26) mm hmm. Nicole (28:27) So this is this is weird. I kinda wanna wanna go down this rabbit hole for a second though. What do you think it means? Kelly (28:32) well let's do it. Nicole (28:32) What do you think the disco bollic means to people? Like there's gotta be something under, right? Like what is the meaning of it? Okay, go. Yeah. Kelly (28:36) I got it. Yes. Okay. I thought about this. I thought about this. Okay. Because to your point that you said at the beginning of this podcast is that we're not exactly like your typical Pilatisculpt studio, right? and I like way back when, because the name is confusing, Bar Roots, I get it, it's confusing. I did start out as a bar studio. And the reason why I started this is because and I'm not afraid to talk about it. I do not feel that this world is very inclusive. I think Nicole (29:02) Yeah. Kelly (29:02) that People, it's a lot of lip service and there's not a lot of follow-through. And I am a very realistic person. and I know, like I'm aware of insecurities because I have them. I've dealt with them for a long time. I've talked to a lot of people now. And despite what people will say about other places, I just don't feel like we're cutting it. and so to circle this all back around now is A lot when you're scrolling through social media, you're gonna see like these super like ripped chicks and these really expensive sets and this beautiful like jewelry with all these cool tattoos, maybe no tattoos, right? And and they just look perfect. And and that's kind of what you're seeing. And you're like, like just sweat it out or like do this arm set instead of calling him or like whatever. And that's just not realistic. You know, I'm looking to live in the real world. I'm not looking. So when people scroll through and they see People working out doing those moves, but there's a disco ball and there's Nicole (30:02) Yeah. Kelly (30:03) a light like there's like fun lights. And then when you look through ther further and you see like we are the most unserious group of people, like the content we put out is so intentional because we are so unserious. I want you to know it's not that serious, man. It's not that deep. We're just coming Nicole (30:18) Hmm. Kelly (30:19) to have fun. And so I think that's I think we make jokes like the disco ball is my white band, but like it is. It's it's my bat signal, right? It's like, come on over, like. We're silly too, you know? And like we Nicole (30:32) Yeah. Kelly (30:32) we work out but we're silly. So yeah, it's the bat signal to to n regular people. We can be regular people and have fun. Yeah. Nicole (30:37) Yeah. Yeah. Like we don't have to follow perfect like reformer things. Kelly (30:43) No. No, you don't have to look perfect. Like, I'll tell you what, I'm about to roll up super frizzy to that lunchtime class because there's nothing that can fix this right now. And it is what it is. And that's okay. It's okay. Nicole (30:55) Yeah. Kelly (30:56) And and that's why, yeah, like that's why this place exists because I I want people to feel comfortable. So yeah, Nicole (31:01) Mm-hmm. Kelly (31:02) we make jokes about this COVID, but I think I think that's what's happening is that it's just so different and it makes people stop. And then when Nicole (31:08) Mm. Kelly (31:08) they look a little bit further, like, wait a minute. It's just less pressure, you know, it's less pressure, it's less I like to think it's less intimidating, you know. So Nicole (31:15) Yeah. Kelly (31:16) yeah. Nicole (31:17) I think so. I think and it's like I have not this is the first time I've been working out consistently for t this long ever. So and I think part of that is because it's like fun to come, right? Like it's fun to show up. So I do think that's really, really important for building community. Just like lowering the bar. Like you don't have to be perfect here. Yeah. Kelly (31:36) It really doesn't matter. And that's what I'm constantly like trying to find things that okay, from a consumer standpoint, what could I do to lessen like the nerves about this, to lessen the anxiety, you know? So like our FAQ page, like I'm trying to answer everything on there, even silly Nicole (31:53) Yeah. Kelly (31:54) questions that I'm like, do I wear underwear with leggings? Right. Like I want to answer everything. Answer, don't do it. Anyway. Nicole (31:59) I still don't know fully the answer to that question. don Don't do it. Kelly (32:03) Don't wear underwear. No. No. But you gotta wear underwear where when you wear jeans, otherwise your bits will be in a bow. So don't go commando in jeans. But workout pants, no wendies. Yeah. Yes. Okay, but Nicole, see what's happening right now? The more real Nicole (32:18) Okay. Yeah. Kelly (32:21) we are about things. Like I'm sitting here talking about my underwear. But like Nicole (32:24) Yeah. Kelly (32:25) everybody thinks about it. Everybody Nicole (32:27) Mm, yes. Kelly (32:27) thinks about it. Let's just talk about it. Let's just like talk about it. The more real you are. Nicole (32:31) Mm-hmm. Kelly (32:31) The more you're gonna get out of this. And then you fall in love with it a little bit more. And then that feeling of like, like here at Laugh Matter Underwear on a Thursday morning, you know, but it's like it makes you feel good. And it's like, Nicole (32:40) Yeah. Kelly (32:40) let's keep doing it some more and tell me other weird things, you know? And yeah. Yeah. Nicole (32:44) We gotta talk about the weird things. Kelly (32:46) We have to talk about the weird things. Cause all of us have weird things. And that's Nicole (32:48) Yeah. Yeah. Kelly (32:51) what this community is, just being the most real that we possibly could. Nicole (32:55) Yeah. I I remember I think you were there a few months ago. We were all just there talking about like getting waxed. Getting we're like Kelly (33:03) yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I was on the floor like showing the positions that your legs can be in. Yes. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Nicole (33:08) Yes, that's right. Yeah, we kinda talk about these things. yeah, that's how communities get fused together. That's how we get embedded. Kelly (33:17) That's that's it. Just talk about your waxes or whatever labia Nicole (33:21) Yeah. Kelly (33:22) plasty you want to do or whatever. Like, let's talk about it. Nicole (33:26) okay, let's break down the word a little more. We got a little more time. So we Kelly (33:29) All right. Yeah yeah. Nicole (33:30) Latin communitatum comes from Latin communis, which means public and shared by all. Love. Great. And that Kelly (33:37) Love. I love. Love. Mm-hmm. Nicole (33:41) comes from the Proto-Indo-European root, the root root, the root root of the word. Kelly (33:46) Mm. Nicole (33:47) Comoini, which means held in common, which is Two roots actually put together. So we're actually breaking it down more. Whoops, breaking it down more. So co is together and moyen is from the root me, which means to change, to go, to move. Kelly (34:07) Whoa. Should I put that word on the flash sheet for next week? Are we all gonna Nicole (34:09) Mm, yes. Probably. Kelly (34:13) get commoine? Wait, Komoine, is that we're saying? Komoine. Nicole (34:16) Kamoine, yes. Kamoine, sorry, kamoine. Yeah, flashy. Kamoine. Yeah. Yeah. So it specifically Kelly (34:20) Put it on the flash sheet. Come onie. Put it on the flash sheet. We all need it now. I love that. I love that. Mm-hmm. Nicole (34:27) referred, I so it means to move, which of course makes me think, Pilates, we're moving. We're a community of movers. Kelly (34:32) Ja, ja, ja, ja. Nicole (34:33) But it really derives specifically from the the movement of goods and obligations within a society. So, but we can make it mean whatever we want. Kelly (34:42) Yeah, it would bend the rules a little bit. Nicole (34:45) Yeah. and the same elements. So then we can look at May, that like center root that means to move. And we also get moonus from this, which is a service performed for the community and also a gift. So we have gift in the root. Kelly (35:01) Okay, how about the monthly challenges? Gifts. See, look at us. Gifts. Which Nicole (35:03) Yeah. Gifts. Gifts for movement. Yeah. Kelly (35:07) I don't know if you all know, but Nicole won last month's studio challenge and got herself a free workout set and grip socks. So winner, winner, July winner. Nicole (35:14) I love it. I love it so much. It's so bright. I was Kelly (35:20) my gosh, I know. Nicole (35:21) did you hear my voice note? I like, I've been wearing too much dark colors, so this is perfect. Well, 'cause one yeah. Kelly (35:25) This is perfect. I know we still have to plan to wear it on the same day because I have the same one. I was like, I'm gonna make Nicole my twin. Ha ha ha ha. Yeah. Nicole (35:30) I know. my gosh, I'm so excited. Yeah. The final step of community integration. Everybody wears the same. gosh. Kelly (35:38) Yes, yes, we all look alike. We have the too far. Nicole (35:45) Well, maybe maybe, but yes. Community a po I think an important point here is that the word community doesn't come from sameness, right? It comes from like movement, exchange. Like it's not we are the same, but it is we are alike and and we give to each other and we share interests or things, right? There's a lot of objects have come up a lot in the definition over the years and it Kelly (36:08) Yes. Nicole (36:09) I love that it's it's more of an exchange than it is of a sameness. Kelly (36:15) You know what? I was just talking to Deb Lev the other day and she was just saying how much she loves this community, but she was saying that because she's like, I don't think in any other setting, like if I'm being honest, any of us would talk to each other. I don't think so. And Nicole (36:29) Hm. Kelly (36:29) I think that, yeah, I like to apply the moving towards Pilates movement, but in exchange of goods, I think that's kind of like exchange information. Like we are such a diverse group of people, and everyone brings a little bit of something else, and we're exchanging information. W I mean like we have we exchange clothes for free and food for free. I mean like we are quite literally exchanging goods. We Nicole (36:50) Yeah. Kelly (36:51) are the definition, every iteration of community. Now you've convinced me. But seriously, yeah, I can I Nicole (36:56) Yeah, we are. Yeah. Kelly (37:00) mean I think that's very applicable. Nicole (37:01) Yeah, I do too. It makes me love it. It makes me love it even more. so there are some cousin words. So they cousin words that we still use today that change that come from the same root. So they come from May. So to move or yeah, to change, to move, to exchange. And those roots those other words sorry I'm fumbling over this those other words are common that makes sense you can see it in there communicate Kelly (37:31) Yep. Nicole (37:32) commune right all of these com words communism is here Kelly (37:35) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nicole (37:37) we also have immune Kelly (37:41) Interesting. Nicole (37:41) Which I'm not sure what to mean. Maybe like by exchanging we also make ourselves immune to dangers. I'm reaching. Kelly (37:51) That you that was a reach, but I like it. I like Nicole (37:53) yeah, Kelly (37:53) it. Nicole (37:53) yeah. mutual municipal Kelly (37:56) Yeah. Okay. Nicole (37:59) mutate Kelly (38:02) Weird and I like it. We'll figure out how it applies later. I like it. Nicole (38:03) Right. Yeah. and also mean is an interesting. Yeah, the word for like being unkind that shares the root. Interesting, right? It's the shadow side of community. Every word has a shadow side. And I think that that Kelly (38:23) Yeah. Nicole (38:23) can be a shadow side. Yeah. Kelly (38:26) We gotta submit a request to get that changed in the world of definitions. That's a stinker, but that makes sense. I guess that makes sense. Yeah. Nicole (38:32) Yeah. I mean, I don't think we can change it. This is like thousands of years in the making. Yeah. Kelly (38:36) No. Everything can be changed. I don't like it. Nicole (38:41) okay. So the last segment of the podcast is to look at a few quotes. So I have some quotes for you that I'll read out loud and we can discuss. So the first one, are you familiar with Rumi the poet? Seems like Kelly (38:56) I'm not, no. Nicole (38:57) it seems like it's once like from like The 13th century, like 1250 or something like that. He was a Sufi mystic, a poet, a founder of the Islamic Brotherhood. so, but he was translated by Coleman Barks, who I saw read once. His poetry is very that's full of love. It's like loving, loving poetry. It's beautiful. but he has a quote that says There is a community of the spirit. Join it and feel the delight of walking in the noisy street and being there. The noise. Thoughts. Kelly (39:34) I love. I love, I love. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Nicole (39:39) Yeah. Yeah. Like just becoming walking in the noisy street and being the noise. Kelly (39:49) I like that. Nicole (39:53) It is a feeling, right? Like it's hard to put into words but I f I f I feel Kelly (39:59) No, like, okay, I'm gonna say my interpretation of it and if you think it's crazy, we're gonna move right on. But to me, that feels like when will you read it one more time? Nicole (40:11) Yeah, there is a community of the spirit, join it and feel the delight of walking in the noisy street and being the noise. Kelly (40:21) Yes. Okay. So you know when you feel like so alone and you walk down the street and you're just like, like it's like caving in, caving in, bigger than you. But then when you're part of that community, it's almost this like super power shield, right? Like this confidence that builds in you and you go out there and now that is you. Like you're not getting like crushed by it. Like you are, you shine, like it's projecting that community, that that like super, I don't know, like Let's get my woo woo like super energy around you, like this aura around you that just like carries you through because you are the noise out there. Like you are that. Yeah. I love that. Nicole (41:00) Yeah. Yeah. Well and you're I I love I there is that comparison, right? 'Cause you can walk on a busy street and not be the noise, I think is what I hear you saying, right? Like you can feel like the noise is coming at you and you are separate. Kelly (41:12) Yes. Mm-hmm. And it just makes you feel smaller or less seen, but when you feel so supported by your community and you go out still by yourself, still same scenario, still same street, right? But you just feel like and not you are the noise that brings it on other people to make them feel small, but just like you are not that you're not feeling small anymore. You're feeling like very big, very confident. And Nicole (41:36) Mm. Kelly (41:37) so I don't think it has to be like a it like at a direct opposite. So like now you are the noise, bring it down. But just like you are the noise. Like you have this energy. You have this aura, like you are supported, protected, all of it. Nicole (41:51) Mm-hmm. Yeah. It reminds me too of dancing, right? There's there's something about being in a like being in a group of people dancing that like you feel so apart. Yeah, like Saturday. Yeah. Kelly (42:00) Okay, how about Saturday? Literally, literally, can we just like hold on, a little like psychology dead? Like, let's dive in a little. When we first started on Saturday, Matt's cleared out. Also, so everyone knows we had a dance party after our regular workout class on Saturday. It was for my birthday. There was a Nicole (42:16) Yes. DJ. Live DJ. Yeah. Kelly (42:19) live DJ. We have a lot of Leos at the studios who were celebrating all the birthdays. And I was like, I just want to dance. And like, I'm not a dancer. And like we like we wrote in the emails, like it looks like I'm having a straight up medical episode and I don't care. but it just feels good. And it wasn't like the room was like packed with people. There was like twelve of us, maybe like fourteen in the studio. At first it was kind of like, all right, let's just slightly got an hour, like let's be about around. And all of a sudden, did you feel that shift? Like nobody gave a shit any nobody cared anymore what they look like. okay. Nicole (42:52) It's okay. Yeah, it's okay. You can you can swear Kelly (42:56) I I went so long. nobody cared anymore. And it was just like that feeling, like everybody's moving, you just feel good. You did the worm. You felt so jazzed up. You hit the ground and did the worm like Nicole (43:07) Yeah. Kelly (43:08) on a Saturday at 10 a.m. But it's that Nicole (43:09) I know. Kelly (43:10) feeling. It's like contagious. You just feel good and you feel so on top of it and just confident. Nicole (43:16) Yeah, yeah. No, I love dancing. And I went so long. I could do a whole tangent on dancing. I went so long in my life like not dancing because I was so afraid of being looked at. But once you feel like going back to the quote, like once you feel a part of the dance, a part of the noise, instead of like a separate thing that's being looked at and judged by the noise. Yeah. Kelly (43:34) Like judged or yeah, yeah, yeah. Nicole (43:36) That's when you have community. being in community is hard. It's beautiful, but it's hard to not think about being judged anyway, is what I mean. Kelly (43:46) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nicole (43:47) yeah. Okay, let's look at another quote. Jeremy put this one in for me, I think, because it's by my favorite author ever, Ursula Kayla Gwyn. Sci-fi writer, lover, lover, lover. Okay, but this quote is listening is an act of community, which takes space, time, and silence. Kelly (44:10) I feel again, like I was talking about this the other day. And I've said about everything that you've read so far. But I said this to Jason. I said, you know what people like, we're building, we're building this community. I'm trying to not use the word community as explain things, but we're building this, yeah, Nicole (44:26) Yeah, it's impossible. Yeah. Kelly (44:28) we're building this, and it's so exciting. And I hope that everybody gets to experience this, you know. And and I'm like, it is, it is not that hard, I promise you. And Jason's like, what you mean? And I was like, Literally all you have to do is just listen to people. Listen. Take 30 seconds. Sierra Nicole (44:41) Hm, hm. Kelly (44:43) la boca. And then just listen to them. Listen. And then Nicole (44:47) Yeah. Kelly (44:48) and then what take it one step further. You could leave it there and you're gonna build community by just listen and care about what they're saying. And Nicole (44:55) Mm. Kelly (44:56) then if you remember one thing, one thing, ask them about the next day. Do they have a job interview? Ask them how it went. There's this girl, she's brand new. I met her for 30 seconds, and she told me that she I was like, are you gonna take my class tomorrow? And she was like, I have a job interview. And I was like, okay, 30 seconds. Nicole, you know how serious I am when I say that, because that's how aggressive of a new friend I am to people. Nicole (45:15) I'll give you a right now. Kelly (45:18) I saw her like three days later and I was like, How's the job interview? And she was like, What? And I was like, see? I didn't say see, but I'm saying see to you. Like that, Nicole (45:22) Hmm. Yeah. Kelly (45:25) yeah, like it's just but coming from that silence, just sh you can just Nicole (45:29) Mm. Kelly (45:31) just listen. Nicole (45:32) Yeah. Well and that increases the sense of community and belonging for her, right? It's like you're creating community and a feeling of belonging by it. She's like, I was remembered. Kelly (45:42) Yeah. Like I was I was given the time to talk about what was what it was. Nicole (45:47) Mm. Kelly (45:48) And and sometimes that's all it takes. They people just need to talk, you know? Nicole (45:52) Mm. Kelly (45:52) And like, why do you think I told the teachers like when the first client comes in, we're done like we're done. No more studying, no more nothing. They're there for you. And sometimes Nicole (46:00) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Kelly (46:02) it is literally silence. Like we have we have one client and she comes 30 minutes early and I love that. she's like a six a.m. or six p.m. She's one of those. She does either Nicole (46:12) Hmm. Kelly (46:12) And she'll come and she just wants to sit on the mat. She doesn't want to talk. It's okay. And she Nicole (46:16) So yeah. Kelly (46:17) just comes and just Yeah. That's what she needs. And that's okay. And that silence works great. Yeah. But Nicole (46:21) Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kelly (46:25) yeah. I love that a lot. Nicole (46:27) Yeah. And it's fe feeling I think that's something I've had to learn again, like as someone who is more quiet by nature, is that it's like it's okay to just be like when you're in a place where it's okay to just be quiet, that also brings a sense of belonging. Mm-hmm. Kelly (46:39) Yeah. You don't have to feel like you always I feel like that's a true test of like like I don't know, I wanna use the word friendship, but you know, whatever, just say friendship. Like remember when you would grow up and you like be on the phone, but like not saying anything. Like if you're on that level with your friend or, you know, whatever, like that's your person, like that's your community right there. You don't have to Nicole (46:59) Yeah. Kelly (46:59) say anything, you're just there. Or like just hanging out, just not talking. Yeah. Yeah. Nicole (47:04) Yeah, yeah. Can you have a community of just two people? Kelly (47:10) I think so. I don't think there's a size requirement. Yeah, I think so. Everyone low community. Nicole (47:19) okay. Hi Jason. Kelly (47:22) Whoa, you're sweaty. Nicole (47:26) okay, let's see. I think we have time for one more quo and then we'll start to wrap up. Yeah. Kelly (47:32) Yes. Nicole (47:33) okay, Kurt Vonnegut. Here we go. Kurt Vonnegut. What should young people do with their lives today? Many things obviously, but the most daring thing is to create stable communities in which the terrible disease of loneliness can be cured. Kelly (47:49) Yes, yes, yes. Nicole (47:50) Yeah. I mean loneliness is a killer, right? Like that's like a proven that's like a thing. Kelly (47:56) my gosh, it is. it is like yes, it it really is. So yeah, I was gonna add so much more, but yeah, it is. I don't have to. Mm-hmm. Nicole (48:05) No, Kurt Bonnet gets said at all. Yeah. yeah, I do think it's having that stability. I I I think I don't know if people on the podcast know this, but I used to travel like so much. Like my life was traveling. It was like on the road for since like 2017 until the pandemic and even a bit after. I was like living in other people's houses, house sitting. And like not having that community was it was really like that. Like not having the stable, because he used the phrase stable community, which I am Kelly (48:33) Mm-hmm. Nicole (48:34) Like stands out to me 'cause not having that was harder than I thought it would be. Kelly (48:38) Yeah. Yeah. Very much so. And I feel like the first cure almost, right? Like I'm not a big like take this medicine for that or whatever. But like and whatever. If some if that's how people are, that's totally fine. but I think like the first step you can take, if you feel lonely, sad, kind of dark, whatever, like go be with people. That's Nicole (48:59) Mm-hmm. Kelly (49:00) that's the first step you could do. And then do it again the next day. Like find people you like and just go keep doing it. And I feel like that's a that's a huge cure right there. When I was like going to therapy for my anxiety and stuff, I lived alone. What? Nicole (49:13) Mm. Kelly (49:14) And I had just moved to this town, like 30 minutes away from where I grew up. My friends weren't coming to visit me. Like Nicole (49:20) Hmm. Kelly (49:20) I was so that was probably the worst thing I could have done for myself. but what did I do? Is I started going to bar classes and Nicole (49:27) Yeah. Kelly (49:29) and that was how I started getting out of that one. But yeah. Yeah. Nicole (49:31) Yeah. I mean that's the main the main reason I leave the house these days is to come to class. Kelly (49:36) That's the reason why I leave my house too. But different sides of that one. But yeah. Nicole (49:38) Either way. Okay, we're gonna start to wrap up with just some rapid fire questions. Is the word community sweet or salty? Kelly (49:51) Ooh, sweet. Mm-hmm. Nicole (49:53) Love. Yeah. Great. I'm not even gonna ask for you to expand on that. Except it does make me think of like Danielle bringing us cookies to class. Love. Always love. Kelly (50:02) Yes, yes. Nicole (50:05) should the word be whispered or shouted? Kelly (50:09) shouted as loud as you can. Mm-hmm. Nicole (50:11) Great. Yes, no further questions. Love it. If people, the listeners, were to leave this episode with your definition of the word community, what do you want them to take? Kelly (50:30) Community is being surrounded by those that make you feel like the best, most confident version of yourself. Most confident, comfortable. Confident and comfortable version of yourself. You can be confident and super uncomfortable. And that's okay for a little bit because I feel like it's necessary, but confident and consistently comfortable. So community is surrounding your people, surrounding yourself with people where you feel confident and what was the last word I said? Because I just blanked on it. Yep, thank you. I was like, I thought about too hard and I forgot my second word. Confident and comfortable. Yes. Nicole (51:04) Yeah, no, that's perfect. I agree. Amazing. Okay. Kelly, thank you so much for doing this with me. Kelly (51:13) You're welcome. Yeah, of course. Nicole (51:16) where can people go to learn more about you and the communities you build? Kelly (51:20) You can go to barroots.com. but if you want to see a better version of the community, check us out on Instagram at Barroots and you can see all of our silliness and you too can be lured in by the disco ball. Nicole (51:32) Mm-hmm. Yeah. And Kelly does have some online classes too, so Kelly (51:35) yes, yes. So you can be lured in from your house. That works too. Nicole (51:39) Yes. Or come visit us. great. And we'll put those links in the show notes. Okay. Thank you so much, Kelly. It was so good to have you here. Thank you. my gosh. Kelly (51:47) Thanks for having me. I like your house. It looks nice. You're welcome.