451 Not a Cult: The Hidden Science Inside the 12 Steps

The One Day At A Time Recovery Podcast · Oct 8, 2026 · 58m

What if the steps that saved millions of lives were never really about religion at all, but about the same science therapists use in their offices every day?

Today I sit down with Dr. Dice for round two. He's a former paramedic, firefighter and Navy SEAL who blew up his life, landed in treatment, got sober through 12-step recovery, and then went all the way back to school for his PhD so he could do for others what his therapist did for him. In his doctoral research at Old Dominion University, he pulled out the theory hiding inside the 12 steps, and what he found is something he calls the…