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- Lucas: So there's this trend that honestly caught me off guard when I first saw the data. A mid-tier YouTuber with about 400,000 subscribers just raised one point two million dollars by selling what are essentially bonds against his future ad revenue. Luna: Wait — like, fans are buying actual securities from a creator? Not just merchandise or Super Chats? Lucas: Exactly. These are structured as revenue-sharing tokens. The creator issues a fixed number of units, each representing a claim on a percentage of his YouTube ad income for the next three years. Investors get paid out quarterly, proportional to how much the channel earns. Luna: And this is legal? I mean, the SEC has been pretty aggressive about unregistered securities in the crypto space. Lucas: That's the key development. In late 2025, the SEC issued a no-action letter to a platform called Earnity — which facilitates these offerings — basically saying that if certain conditions are met, these creator tokens aren't considered securities. The conditions include a cap on total raise, a maximum number of investors, and a requirement that the creator's revenue is audited by a third party. Luna: So it's like a Regulation A+ offering but scaled down for individual creators. That's fascinating — and a little wild. Lucas: What's wild is the demand side. The creator in question, his name is Derek — runs a channel called 'Macro Mondays' — he pre-sold all one point two million dollars' worth of tokens in under 48 hours. Mostly to his own audience. Luna: So fans are essentially betting that his channel will keep growing. But what if it doesn't? What if his views drop? Lucas: Then investors take a haircut. There's no principal guarantee. If his ad revenue falls by 30 percent, the payouts fall by 30 percent. The tokens are explicitly not debt — they're revenue-participation instruments. Think of it like a streaming royalty deal, but the artist is a YouTuber. Luna: And the creator benefits because they get a lump sum upfront without giving up equity in their business. They still own their IP, their brand, their channel. Lucas: Right. Derek told me he used the money to hire three full-time editors and upgrade his studio. He's betting he can grow revenue faster than the payout percentage. And if he does, his net take — after paying investors — is still higher than if he'd stayed solo. Luna: I want to zoom out for a second. This feels like a logical endpoint of the creator economy's maturation. First came brand deals, then subscriptions, then merch, then crowdfunding. Now you can literally buy a piece of a creator's future income stream. Lucas: And it's not just YouTubers. I've seen similar structures popping up on Twitch, Substack, even Instagram. One food blogger raised 800 grand against her cookbook royalties. A Substack writer sold tokens pegged to his newsletter's subscription revenue. Luna: Is there a minimum investment? I imagine most fans aren't accredited investors. Lucas: That's the other innovation. The Earnity platform lets creators set a minimum as low as fifty dollars. So a fan with fifty bucks can become a quasi-investor in their favorite creator. It democratizes access in a way that traditional venture capital never could. Luna: But it also puts fans in a weird position. If you're a superfan and your favorite creator's revenue dips, you're losing money and feeling bad for them at the same time. Lucas: It's a psychological double exposure. The platform actually requires a disclosure that says: 'You may lose your entire investment. This is not a gift or a donation.' But you're right — the emotional entanglement is real. Luna: And what about the creator? They now have a fiduciary-like responsibility to a bunch of individual investors. Every content decision — should I make a more ad-friendly video? Should I pivot to a less monetizable niche? — now has financial stakeholders weighing in. Lucas: Derek told me he's already getting DMs from token holders suggesting video topics that 'would perform better in the algorithm.' He says he appreciates the engagement but finds it a little unsettling. He's considering setting up a formal investor update each quarter. Luna: It's almost like being a public company CEO, but your shareholders are also your fans and your critics. The governance structure is completely undefined. Lucas: No board, no bylaws, no SEC filings beyond the initial exemption. It's the wild west. And that's why some industry observers are nervous. If one of these offerings implodes — say a creator takes the money, produces bad content, revenue tanks — it could trigger a regulatory backlash that shuts the whole category down. Luna: But there's also a parallel movement in fine art that might offer a blueprint. Companies like Masterworks have been fractionalizing blue-chip paintings for years. You can buy a share of a Basquiat for a few hundred dollars. The structure is similar — you own a piece of an asset that generates returns through sale or licensing. Lucas: Right, but the key difference is that a Basquiat painting doesn't have to make content decisions. It doesn't have a personality that can alienate its audience. The creator token is tied to a human being's ongoing performance. That's inherently more volatile. Luna: And more personal. Speaking of personal — we've talked a lot about how marketing is evolving, and I think about this every time we record. We deliberately keep this show free of ads because we believe the conversation should be driven by curiosity, not by a sponsor's quarterly goals. If these marketing conversations have sparked something you've actually used — a framework, a tactic, a way of thinking — and you want to support that independent approach, you can find us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure, just a way to keep the signal clear. Lucas: Appreciate you saying that. It matters. And what we're talking about today — creator tokens — it's another example of people finding ways to fund independent work without traditional gatekeepers. Luna: Exactly. So let's push further. Are we seeing any institutional interest? Or is this purely retail? Lucas: Mostly retail so far, but I've heard of a couple of small venture funds that are setting aside allocation for creator tokens as an alternative asset class. They see it as uncorrelated to public markets — a creator's revenue depends on their audience, not on interest rates. Luna: That's a compelling pitch. But how do you underwrite it? How do you value a creator's future revenue stream? Lucas: Platforms like Earnity use a formula based on trailing twelve months revenue, growth rate, subscriber count, engagement metrics, and something they call 'audience durability' — basically how sticky the audience is. They also factor in the creator's category risk. A finance channel might be more stable than a trend-based fashion channel. Luna: So it's like a discounted cash flow model for an individual human. That's a pretty big leap from traditional finance. Lucas: It is, but the data exists. YouTube and Twitch provide granular revenue data. Substack shows subscription counts. The challenge is verifying that the creator won't just cash out and disappear. That's why the contracts include clawback provisions — if the creator stops producing content for more than 90 days, the token holders get a proportional refund from a reserve pool. Luna: That's smart. It aligns incentives. The creator can't just take the money and run — at least not without penalty. Lucas: And the penalty is significant. The reserve pool is typically 20 percent of the raise. So if Derek stops uploading, 240 grand of his one point two million goes back to investors. That's a strong disincentive. Luna: I'm curious about the secondary market. Can token holders sell their stakes to other people? Lucas: Some platforms are building internal exchanges. But right now, most tokens are illiquid — you hold until maturity or until the platform finds a buyer. There's no open market yet. That limits the appeal for speculative investors. Luna: Which might actually be a good thing. It keeps the focus on long-term support rather than flipping. Lucas: That's the creator's perspective too. Derek told me he'd rather have investors who believe in his content than day traders who are just looking for a quick return. He even included a clause that limits any single investor to 5 percent of the total offering. Luna: So he wants a broad base of small holders. That's almost like a cooperative model. It's a really interesting blend of fandom and finance. Lucas: It is. And if it scales, it could fundamentally change how creators think about monetization. Instead of chasing brand deals or algorithmic favor, they can go directly to their audience for capital. The audience becomes both customer and investor. Luna: That's a powerful shift. It also puts pressure on creators to be transparent about their finances — something many have been reluctant to do. Lucas: Transparency is built into the structure. The platform requires quarterly audited revenue statements. So fans can see exactly how much the creator earned from ads, sponsorships, merchandise — the whole picture. That level of disclosure is unprecedented in the creator world. Luna: It could also change the relationship between creators and brands. If a creator's revenue is public, brands know exactly what they're worth. Negotiations might become more data-driven. Lucas: Absolutely. Imagine a brand looking at a creator's audited revenue and saying, 'Your ad revenue is 500K, so a 50K sponsorship is 10 percent of your income — that's reasonable.' Or conversely, 'Your revenue is only 100K, why should we pay you 50K?' It cuts both ways. Luna: So it could compress margins for mid-tier creators who currently rely on opaque pricing. But for top creators, it might justify higher rates. Lucas: That's the likely outcome. The market becomes more efficient. And that's what makes this trend so consequential — it's not just a new funding mechanism, it's a new information ecosystem around creator value. Luna: I want to circle back to the risk of regulatory crackdown. The SEC no-action letter is conditional. If a creator misrepresents their revenue or if the platform fails to enforce audits, the whole thing could unravel. Lucas: And there's also the question of how these tokens are taxed. The IRS hasn't issued clear guidance. Are they treated like equity? Like royalties? Like a partnership interest? Each classification has different implications for both the creator and the investor. Luna: That ambiguity might slow adoption. Sophisticated investors will want clarity before they commit real money. Lucas: For now, the early adopters are true believers — fans who want to support a creator and are willing to accept the financial and regulatory uncertainty. But as more success stories emerge, I expect the infrastructure to professionalize. We might see dedicated creator-token ETFs within a few years. Luna: An ETF of YouTubers. That would be a headline. But it also raises the stakes — if a creator in the ETF implodes, it drags down the whole basket. Lucas: Diversification would help, but the correlation risk is real. If YouTube changes its algorithm or ad policies, it could hit all creators at once. That's a systemic risk that no amount of diversification within the asset class can fully mitigate. Luna: So it's definitely not a set-it-and-forget-it investment. You'd need to stay engaged with the platform dynamics. Lucas: Exactly. But for the creators themselves, the calculus is simpler. Derek's one point two million allowed him to scale faster than he ever could have with brand deals alone. And he retains full creative control. That's a powerful model. Luna: I think we'll see more experiments this year. Maybe a creator who issues tokens tied to their podcast ad revenue, or a newsletter writer who tokenizes their subscription income. Lucas: There's already a podcast host who's exploring it. And a Substack writer with 50,000 subscribers is planning a 500K raise for later this summer. The genie is out of the bottle. Luna: It raises a bigger question: if creators can sell shares of their future income, what else could be tokenized? A musician's streaming royalties? A comedian's tour revenue? The possibilities are endless. Lucas: And that's where it gets really interesting. We're moving toward a world where any income-generating creative endeavor can be fractionalized and sold to the audience. It's the ultimate democratization of investment — but also the ultimate commodification of personal brand. Luna: Which is a trade-off every creator will have to make for themselves. For now, Derek seems happy with his choice. And his investors are happy with their first quarterly payout. Lucas: They got a 6 percent annualized return in the first quarter. Not bad for a guy with 400,000 subscribers. I'll be watching to see if the next quarter holds up. Luna: Same. And if you're a creator listening, maybe think about whether you'd want your audience to have a financial stake in your next move. It's a new kind of accountability. Lucas: It really is. And that's the thing about marketing — the lines between creator, investor, and fan keep blurring. We'll keep tracking it.