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#57 This Professor is a 2:13 Marathoner | Kristoffer Mugrage · The People Run Podcast

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: Chris, you recently said a quote that I freaking love.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: Plan like an adult and have childlike belief.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: Talk to me about that.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean by that?
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, dude.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um actually, like, like I I saw it, I saw like on an Instagram reel or something like that.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_04: Uh like in in like in the couple days when I got into Boston before Boston race actually happened, and uh it kind of stuck with me, and I was like, and it made me just think of like you know, you you plan for this big race, and you you have and you know you have your race plan and all this stuff.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_04: And um what what I've been especially with like some of my athletes that I work with and like students, uh they'd like how do I explain this?
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_04: Like people when they when they get ready for like big races or things like that, they usually think of what the the worst thing that's gonna happen, right?
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_04: Or like they they get really anxious and anxiety and those types of things, but you've kind of done all the work leading up to that, and and the only thing that you can do is just kind of have like believe that it's going to work.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_04: And so during the race, I kind of like was repeating that quote to myself of I I've planned for all these different instances that could happen during Boston and like the race and um Heartbreak Hill and all this stuff, and uh, but at the end of the day, all you can do is just like believe like a child and have like just like let it kind of flow out of you, um, be really excited to be there.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, you know, like that was one thing before as as I've I've told a few people this, and um in in the pro tent before the race was starting, like you know, we had we had about 90 minutes before we had to go like warm up and then go get ready and taken to the start.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_04: And I was sitting there and I was like, man, high school Chris would be shit in his pants right now if if you told him like what what he you know where where he'd be right now, and like um, and just looking over and being like, Galen Rupp sitting next to me, Clayton Young is sitting back to back to me, Joe Clecker's over there, Charlie Hicks is and like, and just like naming off all these people that like I've looked up to from a young time in my life up until even now, and like following those guys and then being like, yeah, like I I deserve to be here, and so let's let's make child, you know, childhood Chris, high school Chris, like proud, and let's go take that take that like belief into the race.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, that's amazing.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um Clayton Young, Joe Clecler, Galen Rough, huge Galen Rough fan.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, same.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_04: I'd like from like yeah, from high school, that's who I looked up to a ton.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: But like thank him and like I mean, there was all the pros that you could like name, whoever, you know, that were just all around with him.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like I was sitting right next to Rory, like letter two, like uh, and we we like chatted a little bit and then like you know, so it's just it's just cool.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_04: Like it felt it it it like reminded me that like I belong.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: Chris, for those listening, this is amazing, you know, talking about these athletes and you're in the tent with all these athletes.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: You're a professor, so you got a day job.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: You live in Alamosa, uh, Colorado, very high altitude, which uh playing who you have is the prerequisite nowadays or just train faster.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you're at this race with pros, you're about to hammer a crazy time at Boston.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like Did you ever think, you know, you mentioned 14 making proud that you would be there?
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: And like when you're in that moment, how's that even feel to just be like, I'm about to go hang on with these guys?
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it um it's it's definitely like intimidating, but also like very exciting at this at the same time, and just being like, uh we you know don't know what's gonna happen, but let's make the most of it.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_04: And and and there was also like in in the tent, we like there was just this energy.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't know if anybody else has like talked about this, but like you just kind of knew like something was gonna happen that day because it was also like it's it's super sunny outside the tent, but it's also 40 degrees, and so like it's nice weather, and it's just like good energy within, you know, kind of at the start line and things like that.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_04: So it just it was lining up to like be that, and so it's just kind of like trying to embrace that feeling and like make the most of it on the day.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Was this your first Boston or or you've done multiple?
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh this is my second Boston.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_04: I did um Boston 2024, so after the trials, I had already planned on like racing Boston, so I took yeah, after the trials took like a couple days off and then got ready for that.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_04: And I had like a solid Boston in 24.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but you could argue that it was like a weaker field and things like that.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_04: Because I think I was I was 19th overall, 9th American that year.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_04: But did but didn't run like a PR or anything on the course.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: How'd you feel about this one in relation to the to the previous attempt?
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it I mean it was it was everything I wanted it to be, too.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_04: But it was also it reminded me of how much I enjoyed Boston too, like the like like of why I wanted to do it again because it was so I mean just the crowd and being a major and the energy and like you know, my favorite thing like in the last both 2024 and this year in the last uh you know, 10K, I was by myself and I was just like waving my arm to the crowd to like to give me more energy to get me to the finish, and that that was like that was really cool.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: What was your uh goal finish time before you finished?
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like you were thinking going in, did you have a time?
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_04: 2130.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_04: Like like and that and and that that's what I was telling all my like a couple of my buddies, and like just telling like my me and my coach, like I just told everybody that kind of asked, I was like, I think I can run 213-30 on the course, like on the perfect day, like I know I have that in me.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_04: And then I ended up running 213-33.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: Pretty close there.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_04: It was like, I mean, as close, close as it, you know, I think you can get.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was a great course to your point.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: Everything I've like heard or seen felt just because of the weather and everything, and just the vibes of the course, you know, good day.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: All these years of build-up, you know, you running miles on miles on miles, obviously to become where you're at now in elite runner.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Were you always this competitive?
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_04: I would say, I mean, yeah, like I I don't think my comp competitive drive has like uh increased or dipped at all like since you know college.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I think the more I've improved, maybe the more competitive I've gotten in that, you know.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, like that, I would say just it's it's always kind of been there, and now it's just been easier to kind of show that as my times have gotten faster.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um but also yeah, easier because I've just been like enjoying the process of it all over the past uh gosh, what, eight years?
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_04: Eight years I've been marathoning.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: So eight years of marathoning and 215 that we just mentioned.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: Whew, that's a lot of progression in eight years.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: What was your first one?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I ran California International Marathon at the US Championships in December of 2018, but I didn't I I didn't get bottles or anything, so I just had to like carry all my fuel and stuff, and I ran 2201.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that was my first one.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: Why do you think your body responded so well to the marathon?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: Those are some pretty sick times early on.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um I uh I I realized I I uh how do I say like in college I wanted to be you know I I I wanted to do like the 1500, the 5K, kind of like the glory events, and I never really did the 10K, but I was but going to Adam State, we always did kind of like higher mileage, kind of like you know, 90 to 100 miles a week.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and it was very like threshold strength work.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and you know, doing that from 2014 to 2017, 2018, uh it just kind of built my body.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_04: And I and and from an early time, I kind of realized I never really had the speed like to do the to do a fast 15, or you know, I never qualified for nationals in in college for track.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um and but after I finished my eligibility, I I trained for a um I trained for a half marathon because uh or let's see, I didn't have any cross-country eligibility, so I trained for a half marathon to get ready for track in 2017.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_04: And my I just we just kind of kept ramping up my mileage, and I got to doing 120 miles a week.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_04: And my coach was like, it's like, damn it, Chris, like I should have we should have been doing this like two or three years ago, and you would have ran like so much faster.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_04: And like, because he we just didn't know that I could take, like, I don't know if it's just genetically or I've just progressed my training properly over the years that like I was pretty invulnerable to injury.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but I I being in altitude, I just had to be careful of like recovery.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_04: And um, but yeah, I'd like we we just found out that like yeah, my Tuesday interval sessions I weren't I wasn't great at.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_04: I could hang on, but my long runs I could just smash, and like it was more like people were trying to like run with me rather than me run with other people on long runs.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's a lot of years over a hundred miles at altitude.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um how do you keep that consistent, like and patient, and I get bored of doing the mileage mileage for first what eight years now almost?
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I mean the the progression, you know, from in 2018, 2017, I I would say I wasn't averaging 120, but I would do like 110, 115, 120, and then I'd have to take like the fourth week, I'd have to take like 80 miles or like a big down week to recover from all that, and then build up where like I've and then I've slowly built that up over the years to where now it's like I can do 100 and 135 miles for three weeks straight and then take a hundred mile down week.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_04: Uh or for Boston, I was able to average one 17 for 12 weeks straight with no down weeks or anything.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um but it's it it that that question you asked is kind of like how people always ask, like, like, oh, what do you think about when you run for that long?
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_04: You know, that type of thing.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_04: And it's and it's more of um, yeah, not that I'm like, I mean, I am a mileage junkie, but like I just love the process so much.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_04: Like I don't like I just love just training and being out there and like, yeah, there's days where it's like it's hard to get up at 6 a.m.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_04: and do my run or do my 10 miles in the afternoon, but uh mainly it's just you just gotta cross that threshold of the door.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_04: And once you get out the door, then it's like easy.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um but it's just yeah, just enjoying being out there and like uh what what I tell I teach I teach sports psychology and I we always talk about um motivation and like what is your why?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_04: And I always tell them like one of one of my whys is that I just love being healthy, and I love training, and I love like like even if I didn't have a race on the calendar, I would still like do 6 a.m.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_04: workouts in the bubble at Adams with my friends, and because it's just a good time, and like I that's what I enjoy kind of thing.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: I love that because it it speaks to like you know, for you it's just having fun and what you do day to day, like probably more of the motivation, if you will, it's just you.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: You talked about the process.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: What's your favorite part of the process or the build, right?
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: For some my legs, for some is the lot of food I get to eat.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh for some is I'm getting fitter.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what what's your favorite part of the process?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good question.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I think like all of it.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um I I mean I I love the food that I get to eat, like especially on like double T days or long runs, you know, it's like you just get done and like you can just eat whatever.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_04: And so I I love food.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um I enjoy like the mileage and training, but I think like the biggest thing is I think just like seeing the increase from week to week and like in progression.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and it and it that it it just takes so long, but like once you you know get through the first four or five weeks of a build, then you start to see things like okay, now I can run like five or ten seconds quicker my tempos than I could at the beginning, and it's feeling easier, or like, and and so that kind of adds fuel to the fire.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um and and that and then still just enjoying it and being like, oh, like I can run five fifteen for four miles straight, you know, in the bubble, and it barely feels like you know, and it feels like a solid tempo, not like I'm killing myself, kind of thing, and like uh, but also in those moments, and like it's like just the feeling of being fit is what I what I enjoy.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Do you walk into races now after all these years and constantly the progression getting faster and faster, hitting some elite times, like confident in a race, or do you still get nervous?
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um I like this question.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's uh it's funny.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_04: I for for if if I get up and I race a mile, I'm gonna be super nervous.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_04: But if I race a marathon, like not nervous at all, like no anxiety, like like which is funny because like I think for the marathon, I know it's not gonna hurt for about two hours, but for like a mile, I know it's gonna hurt in about two minutes, and so that's kind of like that expectation.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_04: But also I think it's the the confidence over just the years of like I figured out that like I'm really fucking good at the marathon, and like that's my thing.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, and like so I know that if I if I'm with anybody, you know, 20 miles into the marathon, like they're not finishing with me, type of thing.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm gonna like there's that confidence, and like and and again, it kind of comes back to I just enjoy, I just like I I guess I have I'm anxious um before a race just for it to start.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_04: Because I'm like, I just want to be let go and express the fitness that I have, and like that's like you know, we were kind of talking earlier of like why I race so many marathons a year, because I just I just love racing the marathon, and it's like when things are clicking and you're feeling good, and uh it's just you know, I mean, and I think a lot of people can speak to this, but like you're just kind of in the zone, and like that's where you feel comfortable, and like time slows down, and you can just enjoy.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_04: And and that and that's why I told people for for Boston, it's like I felt like I was in flow state for like two hours and 13 minutes.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_04: It was uh you know, there's when I think back on that race specifically, I can't I can't really remember a lot except for just like key moments like like that happened, but uh yeah, it felt like it went by super fast, um which is all good.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, which which you kind of want when it comes to races.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, especially that long.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta ask, like, what's the secret for us for those who are running mad to feel good for the first two hours and then think about the pain after?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: How does one get there?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um you gotta train for it, man.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_04: You gotta you gotta you gotta put yourself, you know.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_04: There's countless training sessions I did where it's like, yeah, you just put yourself kind of in that pain cave for long enough that and and it's a little bit different from you know, for some of us coming down from altitude too.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's just like you can get down there and then like, oh, I'm running, I'm running five flats and it feels super easy, you know, for me, like like compared to all my tempos were like at 515-ish.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_04: And so being able to trust that as well, of like uh, you know, there's there's a few different few different things there, but I would say like you just gotta put the training in and put the work in.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_04: And and again, like things I tell my students and athletes is like you just gotta give yourself that undeniable evidence through your build, through your training block, that's like, okay, like I've done everything I know I can, or I've done these really hard workouts that like there's no way I can think negatively of what's going to happen, or think of that you know, worst outcome because I've proved myself that I can do these things.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: As you run a marathon now and like get ready for like a 213 or something, do you have certain markers you set for yourself?
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like whether it be a time goal or certain training workouts, you're like, okay, if I hit this, I don't care what happens, I know I'm good.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um I would say like over the years, it's mainly looking at like my tempo paces of like I know in training, like if I can do a tempo at like uh you know, four miles at this or six miles at this, or you know, um and I'm able to run faster and my heart rate stays within my like LT2 or lower like heart rate range, um, then that's like a good sign for me.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_04: So like during Boston, in the last like four weeks, I s or maybe three to four weeks, I started noticing like, oh, I can I'm running tempos at like 507, 508.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_04: Uh rather than just finishing the last mile, it's like I'm actually doing like most of the workout at that pace and it's feeling like comfortable.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_04: And so then that gives me like that confidence of like like or previous to that, I was like, I was like 515 to 520 was like my tempo tempo range.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_04: And when I got to that point, it's like okay, I know where I'm at, I know I'm in decent shape compared to where I was for my last build.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_04: This is what I need, and then like seeing that progression again.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um and then as well as just like getting in the routine of just doing 120 miles a week and it feeling like I'm feeling like I'm recovering from everything and everything's lining up and I'm balancing my recovery and sleep and things like that well.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um but again, I kind of I've really learned probably over the last two years that like I I really don't I'm not too worried about the outcome.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just way more focused on the process of everything and like enjoying that.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_04: And I know if I enjoy you know the 16-week build or the 14-week build, the last two weeks are gonna take care of themselves and take and then whatever happens on the day is gonna happen.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm still gonna shoot for yeah, 2130.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but it's whether I run that or whether I don't, it's not gonna define who I am as like a person type of thing.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I no, I get you.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: The work's been put in, you know.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go for it because the work is in the time effort, if you will, and we're gonna see what happens after, but I'm going for it.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Totally get that.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: Chris, what you you've knocked down significant time back to back.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um what do you think most people misunderstand about the marathon or overcomplicate?
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh misunderstand overcomplicate.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um I mean, I think everything like there is uh you can what I tell people like that I that I love about the marathon is that it's not just the training, because like anybody can do go and do a marathon build and do have a perfect build.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_04: And I mean they're not always perfect, but do all the training, do all the mileage, and do all the workouts and things like that.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_04: But if you don't have like your nutrition and your pre-race routine and all those things figured out, that's a whole other variable that I love about the marathon.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_04: That like, yeah, like it, but but at the same time, I think also people overcomplicate that part too.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like they uh, you know, and especially for like um uh more rec recreational runners, and they uh they're like, oh, I'm gonna carbo load and I'm gonna, you know, I need to make sure I'm eating 90 to 100 grams of carbohydrates, and this is how I'm gonna get it in.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_04: And they really like over specify it, where like for me, I'm kind of like I just practice.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: It so much in my long runs and training that it's like I know that I just need to get in like these things and I'll be good.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: And like if I get in a little bit extra, like that's okay.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um but they that kind of like sets that standard for me.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: But I think the nutrition side of things plays so much of a bigger part within the marathon that people don't really realize.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: On any given day, how much are you eating?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um I it's funny, yes, like because I actually like this build, I actually made a uh for Boston, I made a uh intentional decision to figure out how much I was burning and how much I was eating.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_04: And and trying to like make sure I ate enough to match how much I was burning.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_04: Because I knew like my total daily energy expenditure was like way more than what I was consuming, and and it ended up being like on average, I burn five thousand calories a day, and I was and I was only eating like 35 to 4k, and so I was in like a thousand calorie deficit, and so then that was at the beginning of the build, and so then yeah, then I made a switch.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't really didn't have to do too much, it was just like eat an extra peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch every day, um, and have like a couple other snacks, and you'll be able to make that up pretty easily.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_04: But once I did that, that made it I noticed a difference for sure when I was matching how much I was burning.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I got it.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, about 5,000 calories.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Burning 5,000 calories that can be all running.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm assuming the day job comes into play on that.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like um, yeah, I uh so I teach at Adam State University in the kinesiology department.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a lecturer.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_04: Uh this this is gonna sound like crazy to a lot of people, I think, and a lot of people don't realize this.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um my my normal teaching load is four classes.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_04: So I teach like I teach four classes a semester, um, and then I advise students as like the fifth class.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um, this semester I taught eight classes, and so I taught uh five kinesiology classes, and then I taught three human anatomy and phys um labs as well.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_04: So on what Tuesdays were my busiest days where I taught from like 9 a.m.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_04: to 4:30 every day, pretty or every Tuesday.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um and that's two labs and two 75-minute classes.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: And that's also a walk-in between like my kinesiology building to the biology building and and and standing for a lot of those, like lecturing, and and so that takes a lot of like mental um energy.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but then yeah, with all the myology I was doing, I was trying to also like stay off my feet as much as possible, but it's kind of harder on those days.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but then the other Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Thursday, I would on average teach three classes, I believe, each day.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_04: And so, but yeah, it's uh and I'm doing that as my normal job.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_04: I am also uh esports head coach at the local community college in town.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_04: So like on Monday and Wednesday nights, I'd be doing like esports practice.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and then additionally to all that, I also do um some mental strength training, like mental strength coaching for athletes at Adams.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_04: And so on like Thursdays, I would go and speak to like the wrestling team.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_04: I started talking to like the volleyball team, um a little bit of like the softball team, and then also just individual athletes throughout the day and throughout the week that would come and visit my office and things like that.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_04: So uh I'm very yeah, very busy with like not just training, but also like staying busy with all the other work that I'm I'm doing.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: So essentially you run a marathon once or twice daily.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: How do you uh figure out?
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure if some people are listening, they're going, man, I work a day job and running a lot of miles.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how do you figure out that balance of the actual calories?
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're burning 5,000, you need XYZ for fitness.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how are you balancing that and figuring out the right number?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: Is it feel or you in this block you did something different?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's it's kind of feel like, and for me, like how busy I was was more like just fit in food whenever you can, type of thing.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm not um, I can't most of the time I can't eat while I'm like teaching and stuff.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, like so I'll you know, get up in the morning, have my first small breakfast, I'll do my workout, and then I'll have a second breakfast, then go to class, and then you know, between classes, if I have time, get it like a uh you know, granola bar or something in, and then I usually would have like an hour lunch kind of break in the middle of the day.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_04: And as long as no students came into my office, then I could eat.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_04: But if they came in, sometimes I kind of like I'd be eating and trying to talk to them.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um and then and like over the years, I've just kind of like could I would say like I'm very in tune with my body.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_04: I think you know, most elite athletes are, or even just people that are like exercising a lot of the times, they they kind of know like, okay, if I don't eat before this double, like I'm gonna have a rough run, type of thing.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_04: And so it it kind of like, and you've done it, you know, we've done it probably enough times where like you haven't eaten it and then you you bonk on the but double and it feels like terrible, and you're like, okay, I don't want that to happen again.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_04: And and I've also kind of trained my gut to where like I can eat something and then I can go run.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of times in the morning, I'll have like oatmeal and a Pop Tart and coffee at like 5 45, and then I'll be at the track starting my warm-up at six, type of thing.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's a big boy meal.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like that's like you know, but it's I've also just trained that over the years to be able to do that.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_04: Where I I know some people are like, I can't eat anything three hours before, you know, my race or my workout or something like that.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: What do you find harder on most days?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is it the training or the walking between classes and like training for a full day?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: See, the thing is like on those Tuesdays, like those were actually like my favorite days.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_04: Because I I think I liked being really busy.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_04: And also getting a like I would have a two, I'd have an interval workout that morning.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and so like to get up early, and I'm a morning person, I love getting up early before everybody else does, go and get like a big workout in, and typically it would go pretty well, and I get to start my day with that, and then I get to go teach and just like hang and talk to students, which I really enjoyed, kind of like filled my plate or filled, you know, heart is full kind of thing, and then yeah, like I'd be tired by the end of the day, but then I'd um you know, be able to go do my run, do my lift, and then yeah, then like it it was very it was it was it it's hard, but it's easy to do.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's this thing of like you I talk about it of like flourishing in all aspects of your life, right?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_04: Like not only like is running going really well, but like also my job, like I'm loving my job, and like and and I'm and like it would it would be even better when like I would crush like a lecture or I would you know have a really good lab with my students and like that added to the day where um yeah, like I feel like you know, I'm flourishing in those things, flourishing and um think things are going really well, really well with coaching with like my friends, with my you know, my girlfriend, uh, all those things where like if if running didn't go well that day, or then I have all these other things to kind of fall back on too, which like which doesn't get me too caught up in uh you know having a bad workout or bad performance or something like that.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: It makes me think of, you know, especially since you have a sports psychology background, how how important is managing um not just training load, but like stress level, cortisol, that kind of stuff.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_04: Like Yeah.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_04: I that I think that's the biggest key like that I've learned over the time over the years, and like, and and I've kind of known this about myself from like a young age, is like I hate, I hate stress and I hate trauma.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_04: Like any any like distress or extra stress, I'm just like I'm like if it's in my life, I'm like, I'm not dealing with it.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like I'd rather and I'm a pretty like homebody type of thing, you know.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_04: And um, but I think managing those things to where you know, and I'm not I'm not perfect, I'm not like a super organized person, but like, you know, I I um I'm late to things sometimes, like not my job, but like, you know, other things, uh, you know, late to the workout most of the time.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_04: But uh it it's more of like, yeah, managing stress and that and that's why I tell athletes is like you want to reduce as much stress as possible because you're already you're already stressing your body so much with the physical side of things that if you can keep everything on the mental side and yeah, cortisol levels and just things that are happening in life that you can control, then that's like for the better.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_04: Now, obviously, there's gonna be things that like, yeah, your your your car breaks down or you know, yeah, stuff you can't control.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_04: But if you control the things that you can't control, then that's gonna make getting out the door in the morning or the afternoon like that much easier because everything's kind of taken care of and you don't have to worry about those things.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I I figured I'd ask you that one because of the background, and also, you know, like you mentioned, and being happy and possible in all facets of life, plus you got a full workload on all sides.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure that comes into play.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's it I I I tell people that like I think I've I've developed a really big capacity for work.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_04: And like when and I like when I'm really busy is when I'm like doing my best type of thing.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_04: Like I I loved my entire build for Boston because I was so busy and I was in a routine, and like, and now like just last week, uh school, like the semester ended, and now it's like uh in graduation, and now I'm in like summer break and I'm kind of like, what the hell do I do with my time now?
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_04: Like kind of like like it's I I almost kind of miss being busy, even though like this is a good part of like I do enjoy the summers and things like that, but now I have to kind of create a new routine to uh to manage all those things.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do in the summers that you just ramp up the mileage?
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean enjoy a vacay.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_04: For for anybody that's like uh that loves running, if you ever get the chance to go to Alamosa in the summer, it is the perfect place to train.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_04: Like I I love running in the summer, and it and it and it's it's easy and it has like there's just like a a lot of people come to Alamosa and they say there's like this just an atmosphere to which makes running really easy and getting out the door really easy, and especially yeah, in the summer, like 6 30, 7 a.m.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's like 40, 42 degrees, sunny, no wind, perfect like weather.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, typically I'd ramp up the mileage to like yeah, just you know, 120, 130 miles a week, and um, but I like right now I'm not really training for anything, so I'm still just kind of enjoying training and doing, you know, pacing friends and things like that.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_04: But uh I'm I'll be like I travel a bit more, go see friends, go like things on the weekends, you know, uh do the things I can't always do when I'm really busy.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but I also enjoy just being home and like having that time and relaxing and hanging out with my dog and um my girlfriend and friends and things like that.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: So if you could simplify the marathon training wise, including work as well, into a few principles, what would they be?
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: You are killing it with these crap questions.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um I could simplify the marathon.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, and that's kind of like what I what I try to do um when I think about it with like training.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh more is not always better, but I would say do what your body can handle.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: And if that's 70 miles a week, then do that and then stack bricks, just stack weeks, and so consistency of the mileage that your body can handle at least a long one long run a week and one and one tempo threshold work uh a week, and then you know, just time on feet mileage in between that.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um and that's you know, and if if you can sprinkle in a a second workout, an interval workout of some style, uh to touch on a little faster stuff, like that'd be good, but that's uh that's kind of how I how I see it, and then and then in between all that, sleep and eat and hydrate.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_02: Very simple.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_02: Is altitude necessary?
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: Is net altitude necessary?
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because you got all the canyons, altitude, and you got Utah and Big Mecca right now, you got us in Colorado, Big Mecca, both have altitude, Flagstaff altitude, like I think France people go to I forget where in France they go for altitude, so like all the top runners and cyclists all go to somewhere in altitude at some point.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: It I I would say like yes and no.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_04: It's not like I I want to say that it it's not it's not necessary.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_04: Like you can you can run still you can still run fast without altitude.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, the the reason for altitude is pretty much legal doping, right?
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_04: You're at altitude, the low lower barometric pressure allows um causes your body to produce more EPO.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_04: And so you have you start to create way more red blood cells so that when you go down to sea level, you have like a million more red blood cells, probably more in uh in your body that makes it easier for oxygen carrying capacity, and so you can run faster, you know, and still be at the same workload.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, I would say that it isn't necessary, but altitude is also not for everybody because it's it's really fucking hard to yeah, like it's um and and especially you know, the it how altitude works is it's all um exponential, right?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_04: And so sea level to Denver is the same like change in altitude as Denver to Alamosa type of thing.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_04: So being at 7,500 feet where I am is exponentially harder than Denver.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_04: And so like when I go down to Denver, it's much easier to like run faster, and uh but that but that change you know, zero to five thousand feet is the same exponential change as 5,7500 feet, and then it just and then it the curve goes higher and higher as you get higher and higher.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_04: So that's why like yeah, you get up to eight, nine, ten thousand feet, and it's that much more you know, hard.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um so yeah, I think it just it just depends because like it's really hard to do fast stuff at altitude.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like you, if you're you know trying to rip 60-second quarters, like you either you just you're gonna have to have way more rest because it just takes that much longer to recover between reps or sets, but also you're gonna need probably an extra day of recovery from that type of work as well, because it just it takes longer to recover at altitude too.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_04: So, like when when I was in community college training back in Seattle, I would do a workout Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then have a long run on the weekends.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_04: And then I came up to altitude and went to Adams, and we did Tuesday, Friday, Sunday.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_04: So two workouts and then a long run on Sunday.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um and for some people that still wasn't enough recovery, having like 48 hours or things like that.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_04: So um, I mean, that there's altitude is nice and it's the benefit, and like, yeah, you you can you get that extra blood and then you go down to sea level and it's like that much easier.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_04: But there's also a lot of people that have shown that yeah, you don't need like like the guy from Ohio that just ran like 204 or 205, like at some random race, like he was doing that.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: Altitude, it's just it's pros and cons.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_04: Like, do you do you want to suffer at altitude and not run as fast and then hope that you know, kind of trust the process, or do you want to run faster and you know, um, and hit those times and things like that at sea level and be able to recover a bit quicker?
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_04: But it's still going to be that same feeling when you go and race.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's what we'll pull put because each one carries a nuance of like, well, technically if I can train more faster and recover more, I can train more, but at the other, like it's harder, it's a race day effort.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_04: And and that's even from like uh you know uh uh an elite perspective too, like being at altitude, I also see like what other guys are doing, like Hansen's Brooks, they're like every easy runs at like 610 or something like that.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I'm up here doing my easy runs at like 730, eight minute pace, and I'm like, gosh, how do they do that?
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_04: And then I then I'll go down to sea level and I'll be like, oh, this is how they do that.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_04: Like, no one's like, you know, type of thing.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_04: And like it's just just the environment that you're in kind of dictates that.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_04: And you can't put you can't, yeah, you can't be comparing yourself because everyone's at different, you know, environments, and that changes training that much.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: How important is that disparity between your easy pace and your uh speed work, if you will?
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: You just mentioned seven, eight, but you're running in five, so it's about two, three minutes, depending on give or take a day.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like from anything I've got a lot of people go off field, but you know, the non-elite runners tend to go shorter window, if you will.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: How important is that disparity between easy and like your speed pace?
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I think it's it's very important, like just knowing those things.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_04: And and yeah, like I mean, I I go off I go off field for sure.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I do also monitor like heart rate as well.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I'll be you know, like currently, like right now, for whatever reason, and I don't know if it's just from like the race from Boston and like the training effect that I've gotten from my build, but like all my easy runs right now are between like 650 and 710 pace at the same heart rate, or maybe just slightly higher, but it but it feels like the same or feels easier, right?
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_04: And and so that's kind of like interesting.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_04: But then when I'm in, but I'm not doing like 120 miles a week right now, I'm doing like 80, right?
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but when I'm in the build and I'm doing those things, like yeah, there there'll be days where like I'll be out and be like, man, I feel like I feel like I'm running, you know, pretty decent.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_04: Like I feel okay, and I'll look down, it's like eight-minute pace.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, what the heck?
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_04: Or you'll be like, or vice versa, you'll be out there and be like, I feel like I'm duh, I feel like crap, I feel super heavy.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_04: And you look down and I'm running like you know, 715 or something like that.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, so it's more of just not not relying too much on the watch and that that data um too much and more focusing on recovery.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_04: But I think, but also on the other side, yeah, you need to you need to know what your you know threshold and speed work paces are, and you need to be able to like hit those.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um but also like make sure that your easy days are super easy.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_04: You know, at any any pro athlete that you like look and they like they do a recap of their build, you know.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_04: I think like Charlie Hicks just did this, and he's like 78% of my entire mileage was spent in zone two or zone one or something like that.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so like, and that I think that just shows like um time on feet, easy running is gonna build those capillaries, the mitochondria, all that stuff that's gonna be required.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_04: And I think.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, people get it in their head that like running needs to be hard, but actually it's like no, the easy days need to be easy so that the hard days can't be hard.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: That is but true one.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Chris, what do your students teach you?
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: You teach them all day, but what do they teach you?
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, these questions.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody's asking this.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: This is good.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um what do they teach me?
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_04: Man, uh that we're that we're all like still like learning and that we don't know everything, and that it's okay to be wrong, and it's okay to like fail.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_04: Like, even though they don't think that, they hate being wrong, or they don't want to speak, you know, a lot of the time because they're afraid of being wrong.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_04: But I think and and maybe this is just a reflection of what I try to like teach them too, but uh, you know, they yeah, I think I think that it's it's okay that's that we all make mistakes, that we're humans, that uh and they kind of remind me of like keep having a growth mindset, right?
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_04: Of being um that we can always improve and those types of things.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that again reflects onto me, and I try to teach them that, and uh, and that is yeah, I think I I it I would say they also just kind of remind me that yeah, that we're all like still figuring this out, like just life in general, and like, and I think that that's a big part of my job that I enjoy.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_04: Like, yeah, I I mean I like teaching and like those types of things, but I really enjoy mentoring students and like the students that come to me and be like, like, hey, like, do you have any advice on this that's going on in my life?
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_04: Or like, what what should I should I go be a PT or should I go be an AT and like those kind of questions, or even just like life questions?
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_04: Because I I think I try to be somebody that like I didn't have in college that like I could go to and have and ask questions and be like, you know, because then they're they they they do this all the time to me.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_04: They're like, Yeah, but Chris, you have it figured out, you like know it.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, guys, I don't know what the hell I'm doing.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just like they they gave me this job, I'm teaching just so I can run and still pursue this and like have fun.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_04: And um, and so and I try to remind them it's like guys, like I don't we we all don't know what we're doing, just go and like make the most of it.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's really cool.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: I can come to you.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um what's it like you walk in there back from Boston, you back to work.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: You walk in with the medal and the jacket, they're like, oh, we know you're in, what was it like?
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they see the Instagram or something.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um the I would say like I'm pretty I'm a pretty like humble guy.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_04: Like I don't um I don't like to talk about that stuff.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_04: And like in in the classroom, like I use myself as an example all the time with like sports psychology or my methods coaching class or you know, my strength conditioning class and those types of things.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_04: Like I'm not afraid to talk about myself in that, but um but I I didn't realize when I finished Boston and I got back to my bag and I looked at my phone, like how much support I got from like not only just like my friends and family, but like all my students, like the everybody, like a lot of people at like the university, like like so many professors told me, like, yeah, we had you like we had the live stream up during class, or we we had you on the tracker like during class.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_04: So like students were like, yeah, we like stopped class, we stopped lecture halfway so we could like check where you were, like at mile 16 or stuff like that.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_04: And so that was like, yeah, so that was like I I didn't realize like how um the support there and that just made it like that much more exciting and fun, and like uh yeah, and like and and I think it just speaks to like the I mean, especially with my students, like the the can the relationship I have with them of um you know, and then especially afterwards, everyone was like, I think a lot of people were kind of surprised too of like they were like, holy shit, you ran so fast, or like you were like 39th place, like and I because I think for some people they didn't realize like also how competitive I am at the marathon, like even though I talked about it in class and things.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um but no, it definitely wasn't like uh I I came in wearing the medal on the jacket or anything, but you know, I just I just showed up like a normal day.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um what day was that?
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_04: I got back Wednesday um after the race.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, just I I tried I tried to keep it like as normal as possible, but definitely students were asking questions and so things like that.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's really cool, man.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds like the support is definitely big in there.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's freaking awesome.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: Stop a lecture.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: Wait a minute, professors uh mile 16.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: Hold on.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: Chris, what's uh excellence to you right now in this running space and your new uh journeys moving forward?
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: Excellence.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think it's like I don't really have a I mean I have like some small goals, right?
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like like I guess like outcome goals.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, you know, after I ran 213-30 at Boston, everyone's telling me like, oh, if you're at CIM or Chicago, that's like 2110, like on that course.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_04: Like, and so that gets in my head, like, okay, like maybe I can, you know, Chicago this fall, I can run 2110.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and then also kind of get me to think like maybe I can break 210, like five trials or something like that.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but I wouldn't say that's like something I'm chasing.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_04: Uh excellence, excellence to me right now is again, I can just enjoy in the process.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, I'm I've I just turned 32.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I'm loving what I'm doing.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_04: And but I also know that like I can only do this for a certain amount of time more, you know, like maybe maybe 34, 36, hopefully 38.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_04: Like if I can make it to 20, 32 trials, like that would be the goal.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but mainly I think excellence to me is like not only like yeah, not only flourishing in running and like marathoning, but also like how can I be still like be an inspiration and do good at my job with like my students or my athletes or my friends and you know, my family and like all those things.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like if I can because I just excellence to me is like I'm just crushing everything, right?
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I feel good about everything I'm doing in my life, and I think um I want to maintain that as long as possible, and and within the realm of like marathoning, uh I yeah, I think I'll know when I'm done with it when I'm not enjoying it anymore.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_04: And as long as I keep like enjoying it and like wanting to compete and you know pursue the highest level and um those things, then like I think just the basis of just chasing that dream is excellence to me, like trying to put put my best self forward each build, each week, each day, um, to try to get again like that growth mindset that we've talked about.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_04: Uh just trying to improve every day.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_04: And then, you know, when I'm when I'm done with this journey on like marathoning, then I'm just gonna have to pivot and put that energy into something else, and you know, or else I'll go crazy.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of time and hours that's gonna have to be put somewhere.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I love that, man.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: I love your whole approach to it, man.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: Enjoying the ride and just keep pushing.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um Chris, thank you.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate you for coming on the the pod, man.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's been great uh watching and great meeting you here, man.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now that I know we somewhat local, we we're gonna have to figure something out.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate you, man.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for coming on.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: This has been the People Run podcast.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: Catch you on the next one.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.