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- Lucas: There's a landscaping company in the Dallas-Fort Worth area called Velez Outdoor Solutions. It does fifty million dollars a year, two hundred and fifty employees, and it has never had a single salesperson on payroll. Luna: Wait — fifty million with no sales team? How do they get clients? Lucas: That's exactly the question the owner, Marcus Velez, gets all the time. And the short answer is: they treat every completed job as a sales call. The long answer is a system. Luna: I love that framing. So the crew doing the actual work becomes the de facto sales force. Lucas: Exactly. But it's not just hope and good attitudes. Marcus built a specific operational loop. Every job, once finished, triggers a client experience coordinator — a role he created about four years ago — to reach out within twenty-four hours. Not to upsell, just to ask: 'How did it go? Is there anything we missed?' Luna: That sounds like a standard follow-up. What makes it different? Lucas: The follow-up itself is standard. But the data from it feeds a referral engine. The coordinator logs the response into a system that assigns a 'referral readiness score' — basically, on a scale of one to ten, how likely is this customer to recommend them? If the score is eight or above, the system automatically sends a small thank-you gift — a branded Yeti mug or a fifty-dollar gift card to a local restaurant — and then, thirty days later, prompts the customer to refer a neighbor. Luna: So they're incenting referrals, but only from happy customers, and only after the work is done. Lucas: Exactly. And here's the counterintuitive part: Marcus told me that about seventy percent of their new business comes from referrals. But they don't ask for referrals on every job. They only ask when the readiness score is high. That way, they're not annoying people who had a mediocre experience. Luna: That's smart. The mediocre ones probably aren't going to send good leads anyway. Lucas: Right. And the other piece is that Marcus refuses to bid on projects under ten thousand dollars. He says those smaller jobs — a one-day cleanup, a basic lawn install — attract price shoppers who don't refer. So he actually turns down work that doesn't meet the threshold. Luna: Wait — he's a fifty-million-dollar company saying no to ten thousand dollar jobs? That seems like leaving money on the table. Lucas: It does, until you look at the math. A ten thousand dollar landscaping job might take a crew of three a week. The margin is okay, but the referral rate from those clients is around five percent. Meanwhile, a fifty-thousand-dollar project — say, a full backyard renovation — takes the same crew about three weeks, has higher margins, and the referral rate is over thirty percent. So the smaller jobs actually cost him future revenue. Luna: So he's using project size as a filter for client quality. The bigger the job, the more likely the client is invested in their property and will talk about it. Lucas: Exactly. And that leads to another key mechanic: every crew member is trained to do a final walkthrough with the client before they leave. They point out something specific they're proud of — 'Look at how clean that edge is on the flower bed' — and then say, 'If you know anyone who'd appreciate this kind of work, here's my card.' Luna: So the crew member owns the referral relationship. That's a huge trust signal because it's not a salesperson; it's the person who actually did the work. Lucas: Right. And that's only possible because the company doesn't have a sales team. Marcus told me that when he started, he tried hiring a salesperson. The person brought in some deals, but the culture shifted — the crew felt like their work was being sold behind their back. Complaints went up. Referrals went down. Luna: So the sales team actually broke the referral engine. That's a powerful case study. Lucas: Yeah. And it's not just landscaping. I think this model works best for any service business where the outcome is visible and the client can see the transformation. A patio, a new lawn, a retaining wall — the work speaks for itself. Luna: But what about the numbers? Fifty million from referrals alone — that implies a really high close rate on those leads. Lucas: It does. Marcus says their close rate on referred leads is over eighty percent. Compare that to the industry average for cold leads, which is around twenty percent. So the referrals aren't just free — they're more likely to convert and more likely to be profitable. Luna: And I'm guessing those clients are also less price sensitive. Lucas: Absolutely. They've already seen a neighbor's or friend's project. They trust the result. So Marcus doesn't have to discount. In fact, he says his average job size has gone up every year since he dropped the sales team. Luna: That's the dream: higher revenue, lower acquisition cost, better client relationships. Lucas: Exactly. And the whole thing hinges on one metric that most companies ignore: jobs completed. Not leads generated, not proposals sent. Just a simple count of finished work with a high satisfaction score. Luna: It's almost like a built-in quality loop. The better the job, the more referrals, the more jobs, the more crews, the more capacity. Lucas: Right. And Marcus told me that scaling to fifty million meant he had to stop thinking like a landscaper and start thinking like a system builder. That's the real lesson here. Luna: Honestly, if today's episode moved your work forward in some small way, there's a link in the show notes. It's buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure, just if it was worth a coffee to you. Lucas: Yeah, listener support is what keeps this show ad-free and independent. We appreciate it. Luna: So back to the system — one thing I want to dig into: what happens when a job isn't perfect? Does the referral engine break? Lucas: Great question. Marcus has a protocol for that too. If a client gives a satisfaction score below seven, the coordinator escalates to a project manager within two hours. The PM calls the client, apologizes, and offers a redo or a credit. And they don't send the referral prompt. The goal is to fix it fast so the client doesn't leave angry — and maybe becomes a referral source later. Luna: So they treat a bad job as a salvage operation for future referrals, not just a one-time fix. Lucas: Exactly. And that's why the system works. It's not about getting every job perfect — it's about responding to imperfections in a way that preserves trust. Luna: Have any other businesses tried this model successfully? Lucas: A few. I know a pool cleaning company in Arizona that does something similar, and a painting franchise in Florida. But the challenge is discipline. Most owners get nervous when they see a slow month and want to hire a salesperson to fill the pipeline. Marcus says he had to resist that urge multiple times. Luna: So the real moat is patience. Lucas: Patience and a willingness to say no to work that doesn't fit. That's the hardest part for most entrepreneurs. Luna: Alright, so if someone listening wants to try this, what's step one? Lucas: Step one: calculate your referral rate right now. What percentage of new clients came from word of mouth in the last twelve months? If it's below forty percent, you probably need to fix your operations before you can drop sales. If it's above sixty, you might be ready to test a no sales team approach on a small scale. Luna: And step two? Lucas: Create a client experience coordinator role — even if it's part-time — and build that post-job survey and referral prompt. Give it three months. See if the referral rate moves. If it does, you're on your way. Luna: I like that it's testable. You don't have to fire your whole sales team overnight. Lucas: Exactly. Marcus started with one coordinator and a spreadsheet. Now he has a team of four running a custom CRM. But the principle is the same: measure satisfaction, prompt referrals, and let your work do the selling. Luna: That's a good place to leave it. Next week, we'll look at a company that scaled by doing the exact opposite — a sales team of fifty people. Lucas: Should be a nice contrast. See you then.