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More 9-1-1 Audio Released in Ohio Double Murder Case | Spencer & Monique Tepe Murders · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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A couple of days ago I brought to you the case of the murders
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of Spencer and Monique Tepe in Columbus, OH.
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And when we did that video, we listened to the 911 call audio
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and universally, myself included, we really.
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Didn't like the what seemed to be the poor attitude of the
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dispatchers. Now I did a short on this on my
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Facebook account and asked people well and on YouTube as
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well and asked you, I know somebody who is a dispatcher,
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should we have her on? And overwhelmingly you said yes.
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So tonight we are going to have a guest.
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It is my niece, Natalie, and she's going to tell us.
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All about what it's like to be a 911 dispatcher.
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Stick with us. This video contains mature
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themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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Viewer discretion is advised. Hello there, my friend, and
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welcome back to another true crime conversation with me,
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Gavin. Fish, thank you very much for
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joining me. Wherever you're joining me from,
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please tell me in the comments. I just love knowing where you
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guys are tuning in from on this channel.
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We're into true crime. But we like to cut past all the
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fluff and sensationalism and get down to the nitty gritty.
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And if that is your thing, then you found the right place and
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I'm glad you did. Now what are we talking about
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today? We are talking about the murder
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of Spencer and Monique Tepe. The he was a dentist, she was a
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housewife and manager of the family.
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They had two small kids, ages 4 and 1, and coworkers and friends
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found them deceased, apparently dead in their Columbus, OH,
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home. Now if we can just get into the.
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I don't think we need to. Yeah, we need to listen to the
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911 calls one more time. OK, we're going to listen to the
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911 calls. Let me do.
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I have. You know what I do?
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Give me a second. I didn't, I didn't bring them
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up, but I've got them. I got them.
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I got them. We're going to listen to.
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It's about a 4 minute audio segment.
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It's not very long and let's have a listen to it.
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OK, Just just so we can remember where we are now before I play
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this, come to think of it, I think what I should also say is
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there has been more 911 audio that has been released.
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Fact. Let's talk about that real quick
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before we listen to this. I'm going to, I'm going to bring
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you over here to Acrobat to to read this story.
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This is from today. There was 911 audio released,
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but we're not going to listen to it.
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And for reasons that become apparent, OK.
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From dispatch.com. Monique Tepe did not make
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tearful 911 call months before slaying, police say Written by
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Bethany Bruner Columbus police said a woman who was killed
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along with her husband did not make a 911 call several months
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before the Weinland Park couple was found dead in their home.
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Monique Tepe, 39, Spencer Tepe, 37, were found in their home on
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the 1400 block of N 4th St. the morning of December 30th.
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Columbus police responded to the home after concerned coworkers
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called to say Spencer had not reported to work and him Monique
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were not answering their phones. This was a breath of fresh air
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for me as a reporter who who frequently covers missing
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persons, cases where the person may have been missing for days,
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weeks, sometimes even months before they're ever reported
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missing. These people were he didn't show
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up for work and within an hour or up to maybe 3 hours, they
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were concerned enough to call 911 multiple times.
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And, and I just, I just love that.
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And when we get to talking with Natalie, there's a point that
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she makes. I'm I'm not going to, I'm not
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going to ruin it for you, but but this was just awesome.
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These people are just awesome. OK.
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Around 9:00 AM on December 30th, Columbus police were sent to
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Weinland Park to investigate, but the officer left after
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getting no answer either the front or back door.
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So yeah, assuming that he arrived at work at 8:00 AM,
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that's like an hour later. They're like, what is going on?
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Call 911. However, on January 8th, the
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chief, Elaine Bryant, revealed police determined the officer
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who went to the well-being check went to the wrong address.
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Are you kidding me? Bryant said.
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About 40 minutes after the officer left the area, the Tepes
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were discovered dead in their home, believed to be to have
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been killed hours earlier. Now, the officer going to the
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wrong address would not have stopped the Tepes from being
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murdered. They believe that it happened in
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the early morning hours. But that does highlight the
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importance of that job of police dispatcher getting the correct
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address, relaying the correct address and then the officer
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going to the correct address sometimes, well, it's literally
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playing telephone, right. So wow.
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In April, Columbus police received a 911 hang up call that
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came from the area of the Tempe home.
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When a dispatcher called the number back, The woman, who
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sounded as if she was crying or she were crying, said she didn't
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need police help. She did not provide her name or
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location to the dispatcher. The call was listed as
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originating from the TEPI home. Media outlets and social media
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users have speculated that the call came from Monique TEPI.
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Chief Elaine Bryant said the caller was not Monique Tepi.
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Police have no history of calls from that address or related to
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the Tepi's, Assistant Chief Greg Bodker said.
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The Department of Public Safety said 911 calls in a more densely
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populated area with multiple cell phone towers can be
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pinpointed to a location within up to approximately 30m radius.
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So let's say about 100 foot radius.
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Police have not named any suspects or potential motives in
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the killings. Nearly two weeks after the
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couple was found dead, Columbus police released a video.
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I'll show this to you of a person of interest walking in
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the alleyway behind the home. But have said little else about
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the investigation, including whether the shooting was
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targeted or whether there is a threat to the general public.
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Bryant said the department is balancing the need for community
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safety with putting information out to the public, but is trying
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to be as transparent as the confines of the investigation
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will allow. Quote, we're going to be as
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transparent as possible, but we have to focus on the integrity
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of the investigation, Bryant said.
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When we make an arrest, we want there to be nothing that would
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make the case unprosecutable. Thank you.
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So that that might be the most succinct and best description
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from a police officer as to why they don't give public
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information. You guys know that's kind of my
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personal crusade. We want there to be nothing that
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would make the case unprosecute, unprosecutable.
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Bodkar said homicide detectives have been canvassing the
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neighborhood near the Tempe's home on a daily basis and
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reviewing every tip that has been provided.
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We've seen tragedy before, high profile cases.
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Bodkar said. They will solve this crime.
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The couple's deaths and lack of information of rattled neighbors
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in the Weinland Park neighborhood, the couple's two
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children and Goldendoodle are physically safe.
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I put in physically from family members.
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So that is why we're not going to listen to that 911 call.
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It is not relevant. It's not germane to our
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conversation, right. But the 911 call we will listen
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to as we bring up the TEPIS here is it's about 4 minutes long, 4
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minutes, 11 seconds. It's the multiple calls that I
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believe they're out of order. This is how I received them, but
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I think that they're a little bit out of order.
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Let's have a listen before we go over to my niece, my beloved
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niece and dispatcher, Natalie. Here we go. 911, what's the
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location of your emergency? We've got several calls on that.
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What's changed since the last person I talked to?
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There's a body. There's a body.
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There's a body inside. Yeah.
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OK, hold on one second. Let me get you on the line with
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the medic. OK, stay on the line.
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What's going on there? There's there's a body.
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Our friend wasn't answering his phone.
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We just took a Wellness ship. We just came here and he appears
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dead. There's blood.
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He's laying next to his bed, off of his bed in his blood.
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I can't get closer to see more than that.
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OK, They can tell he's obviously not breathing or anything.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Is it like how do like like how do like, you know, does he look
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like? It doesn't.
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It's huddled like I can't look. OK, All right.
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I understand. OK.
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And then when was the last time somebody spoke to him?
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Like yes, yesterday I suppose. Yesterday.
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OK, how old is he, 30? 737.
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You like a drug user or anything like that?
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No, no, no, no. OK all.
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Right. Just that's a real young.
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Yeah, I understand. OK, All right, we're on our way.
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Columbus police test. OK, so that I think that was the
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last call, but I I'm not sure what order they were in, but
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that I think is the last call. And of course, he's like, I
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can't, I can't look. You could actually kind of hear
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him, I think, sobbing. I I think I heard that anyway.
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So OK then I think this next 1 is probably the first one.
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Seven, I guess I would like to ask for a Wellness check on an
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individual at their home. Well, I'm currently in the state
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of Florida. I'm on vacation but this
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individual Spencer works with me and he did not show up to work
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this morning and we cannot get a hold of him or his family.
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Did it show up to work? Correct.
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OK, so do you have medical problems or?
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No, and he's been reliable and we cannot get in touch with him,
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his wife, his family, anybody that lives in that house.
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OK. There's two kids in the home.
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I'm in Florida. I own the business.
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I I was informed by my employees that he was not at work and he
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runs the office. Did you receive information so
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he may have been involved in an accident or?
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No, ma'am. I just know that he is the most
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like he is always on time and he would contact us if there is any
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issues whatsoever. And he, I just sent a house to
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say this. Like we're very, very concerned
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because this is very out of character and we can't get in
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touch with his wife, which is probably the more concerning
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thing. OK.
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We will send somebody over as soon as we have an officer
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available, OK. OK.
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Thank you very much. Bye bye.
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Our our boss did not report to work.
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We haven't been able to get a hold of him for three hours.
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We are on site and we can hear, OK, I can talk to somebody
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there. OK.
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I'm just making sure somebody called.
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Yeah, I just got a call from somebody in there and set it
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back up for this badge. Are you, are you there because
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you're not showing that you're no, I'm in route there.
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I'm in route there. 911 What's the location of your emergency?
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A lot of this like addresses and stuff like that have been
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redacted, but that's why the dead air.
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OK, what's the emergency there? Police or medical?
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Maybe both I guess. I don't know, I'm kind of doing
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the welding. They had a call out there, they
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knocked on the front door and back door multiple times and
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there was no answer. Yeah, no answer.
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I can hear kids inside and I swear I think I heard one yell
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but we can't get in. I at this point I don't know if
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I need to break the door in or just get in the house or what.
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So. Were you out there when the
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police was out there? I wasn't.
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I just got here about 5 minutes, yeah.
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OK. All right.
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Well, we'll send them back out to you.
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OK, thanks. Bye.
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OK, so that is the audio of all of the 911 calls.
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Of course they're a little bit out of out of order I think, but
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we all not all, I shouldn't say we all of us.
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I certainly had the reaction like what is going on with this
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911 dispatcher, this operator? Why the attitude and?
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I think a lot of you share that now.
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I saw some comments coming in which I which let's see if I
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there was one that that said like, to be honest, not knowing
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that he was a doctor, this call does seem a little bit nuts,
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right? And and I think that that's a a
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fair comment. Yeah, here it is.
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This is from unbelievable. Unbelievable.
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To be fair, not knowing the guy's a doctor or dentist, the
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call seems nuts and, and I think that that is fair like a guy's
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missing for an hour. Why are you calling?
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But I do think that the the guy who called the the owner of the
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practice who said, I just need to express to you that this is
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extremely out of character. We are all very, very concerned.
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I think that I thought that was really well communicated.
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Really well communicated. You know, I forgot to do.
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I forgot to check in to see where you guys are coming from.
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Oregon is in the house. Akron, OH is in the house.
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Bommy Buffalo, NY Bommy. Wait a minute.
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From Saudi Arabia is in the house.
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Awesome. South Lake Tahoe tuning in
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Jacksonville, FL, California, Buffalo, W Orange, TX, Ohio.
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Yeah, and Joyce says Joel from STS just posted a short that
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said the police responding to the Wellness check got the wrong
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house. Yeah, I learned that as I read
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the article that I had only kind of briefly skimmed Crazy
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Hildebrand, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Ontario.
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Hickory, NC, Southeastern Kentucky, Back again from Mass,
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Virginia, you guys, North Carolina, Ohio, so many places.
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Thank you so much. I think I think Saudi Arabia
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wins for longest and most exotic place.
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Thanks for thanks for tuning in. OK, let me let me tell you what
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I did. I have a niece.
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Her name is Natalie. She lives out West and she works
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as a dispatcher. I put out a short.
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Like I said before, I hate to, I keep repeating myself, but I put
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out a short saying, should I ask my niece?
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And y'all are saying, yeah, I think that might be a good idea.
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So because she has a family in a different schedule and lives
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many time zones away, we set it up for for us to to join
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together, you know, via, via Zoom, I guess.
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It's not, it wasn't really Zoom. It's through Ecam earlier today
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and I recorded it. So what I'm going to do is I'm
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going to play that for you. I might pause along the way.
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You'll be able to tell. You'll be able to tell.
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It says recorded earlier. You guys will be able to see
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what it looks like. But here is no, I don't want to
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do it that way. Well, yeah, I'll do it this way.
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You don't need to see two of me, right?
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But here is my conversation with Natalie.
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My niece, here we go, everybody. I'd like to welcome to the show
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my niece Natalie, who is a current police dispatcher out in
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the Western States, a former 911 dispatcher.
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Natty, welcome to the show. Thank you for being here.
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Thank you for having me, it's fun.
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It feels weird, right? Yeah, so you're so professional.
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Look at you. I know I've got a set and
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everything. That's amazing it.
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Looks good. I had to hurry and make my bed
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and move the laundry so. Well, you're one step.
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Ahead of me, Aunt Kimberly and I have a have a deal that we made
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26 years ago that whoever is the last to get up is the one that
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makes the bed. That is always me and I make
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sure that it's done before 5:00 PM.
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That is, that is my deal. It has not been done yet today.
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OK, let's get into the nitty gritty.
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The Tepe. Case.
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This happened out in Columbus, OH, a pretty newlywed couple
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five years with two little kiddos were were found dead
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after his coworkers and friends didn't he didn't show up for
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work and they became they became concerned like immediately and
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and it was one of those things natty where I was like this is
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refreshing because in my day job as a reporter out here, I can't
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tell you how many missing persons have been missing for
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months before police are finally alerted to it so I like.
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That but one of the things that I didn't really like and I tried
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to extend grace to people because I want grace extended to
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me. But you know, talking with my
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viewers, we were all. Kind of left with a with a sour
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taste in our mouth listening to these, these 911 calls.
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My question to you is what is first?
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What is your reaction to listening to these calls?
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Sure. Yeah, I, I will say I took
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notes. I went back and listened to them
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a couple times, took a lot of notes.
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First thing I'll say is it's always easy for us at home to
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kind of be that like armchair quarterback and, and decide how
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we feel or what we would have done.
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There's a lot that comes into play in emergency and 911
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dispatching. I when I, you know, was on the
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job taking these emergency calls, I used to think, you
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know, I might do this every single day for 12/14 hours a
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day. I'm going to pause here just for
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a second. To answer this question from
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Pearl Snaps, she says, Gavin, I've called 911.
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It's frustrating To answer the question, fire or police?
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Would you ask your niece if she believes this is a smart first?
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Question it's difficult to think clearly when calling.
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She answers this question. She talks about scripts.
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So be on the lookout for when she talks about scripts.
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And I think it's it's really insightful.
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It's so cool to talk to Natalie like this one.
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She's so grown up and so professional, which is so just
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awesome to me, just as her proud uncle, but also just to learn
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the way that dispatchers learn to to do their job.
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It's really fun. Here we go.
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But this person I'm talking to my only call 9111 or two times
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on the worst days of their lives.
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So I tried to come into the into it with that mindset.
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But I will say, I think I was a little bit in the minority on
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that because a lot of people really get into the just
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repetition of, oh, here's another crazy person, here's
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another angry person, here's another scared person.
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But again, I feel like context is important of dispatch and
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what that job entails, how long you're there, the rapid fire
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between calls. It can be something as drastic
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as taking a parking ticket complaint straight into an
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aggravated DV in progress, straight to an angry man because
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some teenagers walked across his lawn.
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So there's a lot of whiplash. So I also like to try to extend
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grace. And my worst nightmare would be
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to have a call on my worst day at work.
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Being national news, that's not. An excuse.
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Because we need, we need to hold a higher standard.
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But that that was one of the first things I thought into the
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nitty gritty. Though if you want me to get
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into it, I do have thoughts and I have notes.
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OK, before you do, you just said something super, super
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interesting to me. First of all, how?
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Long are shifts sitting at a dispatcher's desk.
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How long do you do that in a day?
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That's a great question. It's going to be a different
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from center to center. And 911 dispatch is chronically
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understaffed nationwide. Many states don't even view them
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as first responders. So you also don't get certain
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resources or help or regulations that like police, fire and
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paramedics get. So it depends.
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My at my center we normally worked 12 hour shifts.
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You could work up to 14, but you had to have at least an 8 hour
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turn around between shifts. And then you also have your on
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call days, which when you're chronically understaffed, you're
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going to get called in on every on call day.
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So it was not out of the ordinary to work 60-70 eighty
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hours in a week, just kind of depending on what was happening
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at the center. What, what do you think the root
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causes for the chronic understaffing?
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Because that is a story that I've covered out here in Western
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Pennsylvania multiple times. I know that in the county in
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which I live right now, there are three positions open in
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Clarion County, which is a few counties over.
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It's they are always advertising, trying to get a,
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you know, I think it's one dispatcher position that they
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just can't fill. What?
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Why can't they fill it? I think there's a lot of reasons
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for it. Some, I would say the first one
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is just the burnout. Humans in today's day and age
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and, and in the, you know, the popularity of true crime, I
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think sometimes we think we're conditioned to it.
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I used to love true crime, which is why I thought I'd be a great
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dispatcher. But it gets really, real, really
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fast. And I think the burnout is
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number 1. I think people just get burned
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out. There's not enough resources,
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there's not enough time off, there's not enough opportunity
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to recuperate, even live on your shift.
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One of the hardest calls I ever took on my shift was in the
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middle of an officer involved incident where we still had the
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suspect at large. And all of a sudden, you know,
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I'm dealing with that. And then I'm instantly on a
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phone call that ended up being a homicide.
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So there's just, I mean, the emotional toll is huge.
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And then I think as with many industries, leadership can be a
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problem. Just you ought to have people
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that are up to the task that are ready to advocate for their
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people. And again, many states don't
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even look at dispatchers as first responders, even though I
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would argue we're the first first responders.
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We're the people to triage your incident and to decide the
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response before anyone gets eyes on it.
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And so I think that on, you know, a government level, local
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and state government level, there's also that feeling of,
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well, no one actually cares. Everyone has our phone number.
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They can call us and treat us like trash.
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And no one's really looking out for the dispatcher.
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We're the first people to get blown up when a big incident
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happens, as we're seeing right now that, you know, listening to
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the 911 calls and picking it apart.
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And it's like, I mean, people seem to care about dispatch once
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there's a reason to care, it's and I would argue law
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enforcement gets some of the same and police gets, you know,
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fire gets some of the same paramedics.
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Public service is is a tough place to be and not get burned
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out. So even on like, I mean, you're
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talking about on a macro level where like if you may go months
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at a time and feel burnout over over the course of a long period
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of time, but also just in the shift that whiplash of going
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from call to call to call. I mean, are there enough breaks
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in the day? Probably not, right?
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No, you have to announce when you're going to be going.
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We we would call it going down the hall.
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So you had to announce in the chat I'm going down the hall.
25:55
Can someone please take my police channel that I'm on
25:58
because there's not enough people for you to even just get
26:00
up and go take a 2 minute bathroom break.
26:03
Oh, well, that's something that hang on, this is something that
26:06
I didn't realize. I should I?
26:09
I mean, it's intuitive. I should have realized it, But
26:12
also not only are you talking to the people on the phone, but you
26:15
are also direct. You're dispatching, you're
26:18
directing everybody else. There could be multiple
26:23
responses to the same location, and you are the person that is
26:27
interacting with all of those people too, right?
26:31
Yes, sometimes you'll hear pauses in 911 calls.
26:33
You've probably listened to enough of them by now that
26:35
sometimes you might hear a pause when you're like, are they even
26:38
listening? Are they even paying attention?
26:39
This person's been talking. They haven't been reflected
26:42
listening. Well, more than likely they've
26:44
viewed it themselves. They're on their police radio
26:46
relaying what that person's telling them to give the officer
26:49
insight. Because while we're listening to
26:51
you on the phone, it's called a split ear because you have the
26:54
phone in one ear and you have the radio coming out at you and
26:58
you're trying to listen to the officer saying, OK, what does he
27:00
look like? And you're saying to the caller,
27:02
what do they look like? And then you got to tell him.
27:04
And I mean, there's a lot of relay that happens.
27:08
And and that's especially true of smaller centers.
27:10
Larger centers, they can sort of designate specific people like
27:14
hey, your radio, your call taker, you know, but and in
27:18
smaller centers, you're doing everything.
27:21
Oh wow. OK, All right.
27:24
No, I I would not survive in that in that environment at all.
27:28
It takes a very special person to be able to do that.
27:30
I remember, I mean, when you were a little tiny little one, I
27:34
was in a call center just doing customer service and I wanted to
27:38
die like at the end of every day.
27:40
I just was like, what is the purpose of life?
27:44
Is there a meaning in the universe?
27:45
It just like sucks it out of you, right?
27:48
But you guys are doing life and death.
27:52
That's a little different. Well, in that, imagine that your
27:55
call center, like what would it look like if every single person
27:58
had your phone number and could call you anytime and you have to
28:01
answer like that's 911. Yeah, no, I I'd honestly rather
28:06
get shot. Maybe not dead, but like a flesh
28:09
wound or something like that. OK, let's go to your notes
28:11
about. About the TEPI case, what are
28:14
some of the things that you noticed in those recordings?
28:17
So I mean, I think the first thing that people are going to
28:19
point out is maybe overall attitude.
28:22
I felt like the the 911 gal that took a couple of the calls,
28:27
maybe I had a little bit of attitude.
28:28
You know, the we already sent someone out there, They knocked
28:31
on the front door, the back door.
28:32
Nobody answered. First of all, I probably
28:35
wouldn't have said that. I was just, you know, so maybe
28:40
overall attitude, but even with the the man at the end, it felt
28:45
to me like they were really off the cuff.
28:47
So the first question I had is what does their script look
28:50
like? And I'm happy to give context if
28:53
you'd like, of like what you're actually supposed to do.
28:56
So like if I answer 911 call right now, I'm going to say 911,
29:02
what in our in our jurisdiction, we said what is the address of
29:05
your emergency? But they say what's the location
29:08
of your emergency? Both are great.
29:09
And that's like a federal thing, like nationwide, if you call
29:14
911, you should be greeted with some variation of what is the
29:17
address or location of your emergency, like first thing.
29:21
Where is the number one question?
29:22
Where? Yes, because as soon as we know
29:25
where we can already send help while we're continuing to
29:29
collect information from you. So where is very, very
29:32
important. And sometimes callers don't want
29:33
to slow down to like tell you they're just like you got to
29:36
come right now because they're bleeding that this happened,
29:38
that you know, like no, where are you?
29:41
Because the second you tell me where, we already have help on
29:44
the way and then we'll get the details.
29:46
So what's the location in some places they're going to say, is
29:50
that a home, a business or an apartment that's going to be big
29:53
in like big cities. Like we need a little more
29:56
context besides just your address because that could be an
29:58
8 story building. Like where where are.
30:00
You Yeah, we heard that in the Greenberg case, right?
30:02
It was on the 6th floor of an apartment building.
30:04
And that I think that was the second question she asked.
30:07
Yeah. Holy cow.
30:08
Awesome. They've they've all got a
30:09
script. Yes they should.
30:13
Then they might get your name and phone number.
30:15
People also don't want to be very patient with this
30:19
sometimes. But this is also important
30:21
because if something happens with the call, especially
30:24
something in progress, someone takes the phone from you,
30:26
something, you know, whatever we want to know.
30:30
Let me pause for a minute, just just for a minute.
30:32
OK, for this comment from Eileen into it.
30:37
Yes, my niece is awesome. I can't take credit for it.
30:40
She is she is the offspring of my brother and sister-in-law.
30:43
But she's rad and and I think that she is a good.
30:48
Avatar for so many people who work as 911 and police
30:53
dispatchers, people that have a certain personality and have the
30:56
ability to multitask and and you know, be very reasonable and
31:02
rational and logical in the way that they do things.
31:06
Natalie is definitely, definitely that.
31:09
OK, we're going to keep it going.
31:11
We were talking to so we can start to do some tracing there.
31:15
They might then say is this genie police, fire or
31:17
paramedics? But the the next part, and this
31:22
was a part of our script that I think is very, very important.
31:26
Ah, I'm interrupting again. Sorry guys, but to answer this
31:29
question, it's a major US city that's I don't want to give away
31:35
her location, but it is a big population center.
31:39
Let's say that that in in the greater area there are a couple
31:43
of million people. That's so big place.
31:47
All right, keep it going. Tell me exactly what happened.
31:52
I'm, I'm not saying what happened 10 days ago.
31:54
I'm like today when you called. Tell me exactly what happened.
31:57
In this case, that question, they could have gotten to the
32:00
root of things pretty quickly, especially I was kind of
32:05
thinking toward the end when they had found the victim.
32:09
Tell me exactly what happened. Well, we couldn't get a hold of
32:12
him. He didn't come to work.
32:13
I walked in and he's laying here in a pool of his blood.
32:16
Like it gets to the point a little bit more quickly,
32:20
eliminating the fluff, especially if it's something in
32:22
progress. And then from there.
32:25
So that's kind of the the first greeting is location, name and
32:31
number. Tell me exactly what happened.
32:34
From there you kind of branch into a series of questions,
32:37
either law focused questions or medical focused questions.
32:42
And I didn't really get that from the people that we were
32:47
listening to, from the dispatchers.
32:49
They kind of started going off the cuff.
32:50
They started asking a lot of things that may not have been
32:53
relevant. When you're taking a 911 call,
32:56
you really need to have a clear picture of the scene.
32:59
You're focused on scene safety. What are our responders walking
33:02
into? You're trying to gauge is does
33:08
our caller have a role here besides just reporting?
33:13
Now is there. A training for that because I
33:15
would imagine, well, actually in so many cases, the 911 call is
33:20
the very first, the very first piece of like evidence that
33:25
prosecutors will look at, right. So as dispatchers and operators,
33:29
are you, are you trained to try to get little Nuggets of
33:35
information that eventually might be used during a
33:37
prosecution or an investigation, let's say?
33:41
Absolutely every center is going to go about that a little bit
33:45
differently. I would say it's a little bit
33:47
reactive at times. A center will face a lawsuit for
33:52
a call and they'll kind of tighten things up or they'll
33:55
have something that gets really big media attention and be like,
33:57
oh, we need more training on that.
33:59
It's a little bit reactive. I worked at a center where the
34:02
training was pretty rigorous, but it was also held over our
34:06
heads all the time. Like don't be the person on the
34:08
news. Don't be that person that
34:10
everyone's going to say, oh, why did they say that?
34:12
You know, make sure you can cover your butt, that you did
34:15
what you needed to do on your call.
34:18
There's lots of nationwide trainings out there.
34:21
Just a little side note, if you ever want to learn a little bit
34:23
more about dispatch and training, you can look up the
34:26
Denise Amber Lee case and the Denise Amber Lee Foundation.
34:31
It was a huge case that got national news, I don't know,
34:34
1520 years ago and was really a catalyst for better dispatch
34:39
training, but that's just an aside.
34:41
For your liberation, No, that's great.
34:43
Is this something where you know, in order to be certified
34:47
as a police officer, you typically there, there are
34:50
exceptions to this, but you typically have to go through
34:53
some type of accredited police Academy, right?
34:58
Whether you're going to do municipal or you're going to do
35:00
state or federal, whatever, there is some Academy that you
35:02
go to. Is there an equivalent to that
35:06
within 911 dispatch? There is, so we actually go to
35:11
the police Academy as well for a a shortened period of time, but
35:15
we go to to the Academy and do our training there and we get
35:20
kind of a broad spectrum like police, fire, paramedic, but
35:23
then also more specific to dispatch.
35:26
And you have to go through that and be certified before you can
35:29
be a 911 dispatcher and before you have access to all of the
35:33
things that we have access to, to, you know, federal databases
35:38
and things like that. OK, all right, cool.
35:41
OK, what? Else what else?
35:43
Were on your notes there for the TEPI case?
35:46
Right. So again, I'm not sure how like
35:48
deep you want to go into stuff, but I I kind of wrote out like,
35:53
what did we hear and what would I do?
35:55
I'm happy to like walk through that if you want, but I'd love
35:58
it. I don't know.
35:59
So, so we'll start with kind of the female that was getting the
36:04
Wellness check calls. In my opinion, there's there's
36:10
something she could have done and then there's some things
36:13
that I would have done. First of all, I think starting
36:17
with tell me exactly what happened, getting the age of the
36:20
male. And then you should really in a
36:23
welfare call, which I took plenty of those, especially for
36:28
elderly people and, and things like that, you want to
36:32
understand who they are. You want a little bit of
36:33
history. So what is their age?
36:35
Do they have any health history? Any medical conditions that you
36:38
know of? And you know, you're asking
36:42
these questions, the caller might not know this information,
36:45
but if they do, this can be really helpful.
36:47
So any mental health concerns? Do they have any weapons in
36:50
their home? Any alcohol or drug use?
36:53
Do they live alone? Who lives with them?
36:56
Do you have any other family members phone numbers, their
36:59
contact information? What kind of car does he drive?
37:03
All of this is important to pass on to the officers because then
37:07
when those officers drive out there to their house, they can
37:10
see, oh, we've got a blue minivan and a red sedan in the
37:14
driveway. Oh, Yep, they drive those cars.
37:17
OK, so the cars are here. They're probably.
37:20
Let me just interrupt real quick to answer spinsters question.
37:26
Oh, I get it spinster. That's so good.
37:30
We did listen to the 911 calls at the beginning of the live
37:33
stream. You can go back and play it like
37:35
1 1/2 speed to catch up. We also listened to them a
37:38
couple days ago. You can look, you can look at my
37:41
live stream history. It's 2 days ago.
37:44
We listened to them there as well, but if you just back up to
37:46
the beginning of this video, you'll find them.
37:52
Here, but they're still not answering.
37:54
Well, that's going to start to give those officers that
37:56
reasonable doubt of like, OK, well if they're here, why aren't
38:02
they answering? A couple things that I would be
38:06
doing behind the scenes. Also to give some context, one
38:11
of the first things I'm going to do is I'm going to run his
38:13
driver's license and vehicle registration.
38:15
That's important information for the officers to have for that.
38:20
There's different search criteria that most people like.
38:23
A Co worker would probably know his name, date of birth, you
38:28
know, male, female. Address of.
38:30
Residents, you know, like we can really narrow it down with that
38:35
information. I'm also going to look, does he
38:37
have any weapons registered to him?
38:39
Is this going to be like a suicide situation, murder
38:41
suicide? Like is there risk there?
38:44
Could this be a mental health crisis?
38:46
And he didn't come to work and he's freaking out and our
38:48
officers are going to walk into that.
38:52
Oh, and I'm sorry to interrupt, but that that made me think of a
38:55
question. I mean, do you feel a certain
38:57
amount of what's, what is the word that I'm looking for like
39:03
responsibility I guess or do you have, do you feel the
39:06
responsibility for the safety of the officers that you're
39:09
dispatching out there? I absolutely do.
39:12
I mean, it, it is like as a dispatcher, who's to who's to
39:18
tell? Like I'm the one giving them the
39:21
information straight from the caller.
39:22
If I haven't exhausted the resources that I have to give
39:27
them the best idea of what they're walking into and
39:29
something happens that's pretty hard to stomach.
39:33
You know, if I could have just asked one question a little bit
39:36
better to save an officer from getting hurt or a paramedic from
39:39
getting hurt, because that happens to our fire and
39:42
paramedic guys. They, you know, they walk into
39:45
things sometimes where someone's trying to get a fix and they can
39:50
be the target for that. So absolutely I feel a
39:54
responsibility to establish the scene to give them every chance
39:59
of being safe and going home to their families that they can
40:02
have. And you have to do that while
40:05
balancing the world's most hectic and maybe pressure filled
40:10
job, right? Yes and some people forget their
40:13
why you don't know that kind of going back to the beginning with
40:16
the dispatchers overall tone. You don't know what they just
40:20
got off of, you know, like I've it, it takes every shred of
40:25
patience to talk to somebody about why they got a parking
40:28
ticket for parking where they were not supposed to after you
40:32
just got off of a suicidal, you know, young person who who ended
40:38
it. You know, like there's no way to
40:41
adequately describe what that feels like and how you're just
40:45
supposed to flip into that perfect, you know, happy bubbly,
40:50
maybe not even happy bubbly, but confident, professional, direct.
40:53
Like it's a lot to juggle. And if you're in a center where
40:59
you're taking 911 calls and non-emergency calls, there's a
41:03
lot of that whiplash going on. Yeah, that actually.
41:06
I'm, I'm starting to like, I need to, I need to repent a
41:08
little bit here because there was another case in South
41:10
Carolina where a, a woman called into the 911 center and said,
41:16
can you, can you see where I am? Can you ping exactly where I am?
41:21
And the reason that she did that was to be able to, she, she was
41:25
planning on ending her life and she wanted her family.
41:27
She wanted to make sure that she was found so that her family
41:29
wouldn't, wouldn't, wouldn't miss out on that closure.
41:33
And the and I remember listening to that 911 call going, Oh my
41:37
goodness, this is the worst. Operator ever she did her she
41:41
she tried she tried to talk to her and stuff you know tried to
41:44
get her help and everything, but ultimately I was like, dude, you
41:47
really need more training, but she she possibly could have
41:51
gotten off just. Moments before she took that
41:54
call, another one of the worst calls to get ever and was was
41:59
experiencing you know what you just described as that whiplash,
42:02
right? I I.
42:03
Think as a. Community, we need to do a.
42:05
Little bit better the the true crime.
42:06
Community, we need to be a little more graceful towards
42:10
these first responders, I think. Yeah.
42:13
And and I would agree and with the caveat that, but we're also
42:17
hired to do a job. So do your job, you know, and do
42:21
your job the best you can because these are real people.
42:23
So it's the balance, right? It's the balance of like, I
42:27
always want to give the grace to the dispatcher because I've been
42:31
in that seat. But then I also want to be like,
42:33
but having been in that seat, we also need to make sure we're
42:36
doing right by our communities, by our citizens, by our
42:40
responders. OK, so let's finish up this way
42:42
because I've already taken almost 25 minutes of your time
42:46
for those people who are watching the people who watch my
42:49
program that, that like me, were complaining about, about these
42:53
dispatchers. What, what is the advice that
42:56
you would give us as far as I, I don't, well, I don't want to
43:00
leave your, your answer, but what advice would you give us
43:04
that listen to these calls kind of on the regular to try to
43:09
maybe understand a little bit better?
43:15
Yeah, that's a great question. I I would say I have a couple
43:24
answers to that question. First of all, I think an
43:28
educated public is a healthy public.
43:31
A helpful public. Sorry, I misspoke there.
43:33
Educated and healthy, educated public is a helpful public
43:37
because if you as a person know the best way to make a report to
43:44
911 or to the police and you are prepared with helpful
43:50
information, that will make even the worst dispatcher look good
43:54
because they'll get everything they need.
43:58
If you're in a position where you have to call 911, just
44:02
breathe for a second. It feels so much longer to you
44:05
on the phone than it actually is.
44:06
And you know, I, every center is going to be a little bit
44:09
different with response rates, but I worked at a center where,
44:14
you know, police or fire could be to you in 5-6 minutes.
44:17
If they're not getting to you faster than that, there's
44:19
actually something worse going on than what you're going
44:21
through. So keeping that context could be
44:25
helpful, but also reckon just recognizing the human aspect of
44:31
it. There's a lot of advances
44:32
happening right now actually, with AI answering and some AI
44:36
triaging. But the difficulty with that is
44:40
it still takes a human ear to detect danger, to detect someone
44:44
being cagey, to detect someone who might be under duress.
44:49
So I think perspective helps a lot in these specific cases.
44:53
In these calls, I think the dispatchers would have done well
44:57
to remember that humanity as well.
45:00
Specifically one note that I didn't get to the the male
45:04
dispatcher who was speaking to the person on scene with the
45:08
victim. It's really important in those
45:11
situations to remember to not make more victims, you know, to
45:14
not further traumatize the person you're talking to.
45:19
If they believe they're beyond help, you can have them step
45:21
away because help's going to be there pretty soon.
45:23
There. It it might not make a huge
45:25
difference if they continue to stand there and describe it to
45:28
you and be further traumatized themselves than to just step
45:32
away and wait for responders. Yeah, I, I was actually really
45:35
touched and by by that caller who was like, I can't he just
45:41
like I can't I. And yeah, that's it's a tough
45:47
job. I've got a lot to think about.
45:48
And I do have to say, like there have been some some calls that
45:52
I've heard, for example, where a victim of domestic violence is
45:56
with her abuser and is pretending to like call for
46:01
pizza or whatever, where a dispatcher has done such
46:06
terrific work to get that victim into safety.
46:09
I mean, I think and I, they just, it is an invaluable and
46:18
well, invaluable. We can't live without kind of
46:20
service that we have with our 91911 dispatchers.
46:24
I also think it's fair to offer some criticism because I do
46:27
think it helps people to improve, just as long as we're
46:30
doing it in a, in a spirit of helpfulness rather than, you
46:34
know, just criticism. Yes.
46:36
And I think across the board, it might maybe my parting thought
46:40
would be we see a lot of the worst of the worst in media, in
46:46
news, in, you know, on podcast, on whatever it's we bring to
46:51
light the things that are glaringly, obviously bad, you
46:55
know, bad officer behavior, bad dispatch behavior, neglectful
47:02
fire paramedics. It draws a lot of attention and
47:06
it draws outrage and it draws criticism and accountability is
47:10
incredibly important. And those things are often the
47:12
catalyst to improve everyone. But I would say there are a lot,
47:19
there's a lot more good out there than there's not.
47:22
You know, there's, I wouldn't take these opportunities to sow
47:27
doubt about your own, you know, local police, fire paramedic
47:31
dispatchers. I would, I still have all the
47:33
confidence in the world that when you call 911, someone
47:35
competent is going to answer because there are more competent
47:38
people than not. And I have met some really
47:42
amazing people in 911 who have been on that job for a very long
47:46
time. They're like the tried and true
47:49
seasoned. They will never burn out.
47:51
And if I had an emergency, I want to be in that city calling
47:55
into that dispatch center. So just just maybe to have a
47:59
little bit of confidence that all of it's good to talk about
48:02
all of this and it's even kind of fun.
48:04
And those of us who love true crime, it's like we, we love
48:06
this, you know, we're passionate about it.
48:08
It's cool. We like to be the sleuths and we
48:10
like to weigh in. But just remember, more than
48:14
likely you have good police officers in your area.
48:17
More than likely you have competent dispatch and you have,
48:20
you know, credible fire and medical people.
48:23
So I I would just maybe have that be kind of my parting
48:27
thought. That's a great parting thought,
48:29
Natalie. Thank you very.
48:30
Much for joining me, I I really, really appreciate it.
48:34
Yeah, happy to help. It's fun.
48:42
Hi. Hi, Autumn.
48:44
Autumn. Is about to have a heart attack,
48:46
everybody. I came in without audio.
48:49
Natalie, my niece is the best. I really enjoyed that
48:55
conversation with her. One of the things that I am
48:58
going to come away from that and is that I will be a better 911
49:04
caller and I have called 911 maybe three times in my life for
49:10
different things. The last one I called about was
49:14
there were there was a herd of goats running down the highway.
49:17
In fact, that's not the only time I have called on on
49:21
livestock on the highway. I've called on cattle on
49:24
Interstate 80 in Nevada. Anyway, I will be a better a
49:29
better caller. Take my time, explain the
49:33
situation, answer their questions clearly, not be
49:37
frustrated when it feels like I'm not being listened to
49:40
because I know that they're doing multiple things at once.
49:44
Thank you, thank you. Thank you, Nattie Jo, for being
49:46
on the show with us tonight. Judging from the comments
49:50
tonight, you are a big hit and I hope that we can have you on
49:54
again. And if I may say just for a
49:56
second, it is so fun to be an uncle and and father of grown
50:07
kiddos, like grown kiddos. It's just so much fun.
50:11
I think my oldest niece, she must be 36 years old now.
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And I love it. I love having, I love having
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nieces and nephews that I can speak to as peers like that.
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And boy, did she teach us. Well, tonight I can you tell him
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I'm pretty. Proud of her.
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And she's not the only one. I've got so many great nieces
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and nephews. They're just, they're just
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awesome. My brothers and sisters,
50:37
Kimberly's brothers and sisters, all have raised terrific,
50:41
terrific children. OK, now I know that there are a
50:45
whole bunch of comments that I'm well, let's see a couple
50:51
comments before we move to the next next segment.
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Let me just go through your apparel.
50:58
Snap says Gavin, what a gift you are to your niece and her to
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you. I had eight uncles and two
51:03
brothers and not a single one as respectful and kind as you
51:06
civilized family is unknown to me.
51:07
It's lovely to watch. Well, I'm sorry for you.
51:10
We do have a beautiful family on both sides of our family.
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Kimberly's family is terrific. My family is terrific, has so
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many nieces and nephews that we just love, love, love and great
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nieces and nephews are do you call them grand nieces and
51:26
nephews or great nieces, whatever it is just so many that
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are terrific and it's very, very easy to love them.
51:33
Scotch's mom says. I'm sharing and hyping this
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video tonight. Your niece is amazing.
51:37
She is amazing. She is amazing.
51:40
Autumn was about to hit that panic button.
51:45
Mooney. I will thank Natalie once again
51:47
for coming on. And after we finished that
51:50
recording, she said she's open to doing that.
51:53
Just so you guys know, I can't remember if I am clear on this.
51:57
She worked as a 911 dispatcher and currently works as a police
52:02
dispatcher at A, at a Police Department.
52:05
So she has all sorts of of experience.
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Really, really terrific. And thank you guys for being so
52:13
kind to my lovely niece who and Kimberly and I just love to love
52:18
to death, love to pieces. OK, we are going to move on to
52:23
our next segment and we're going to do it the way we did it
52:26
yesterday because I like your feedback.
52:30
It's three questions. It's three questions.
52:39
How? OK, in this segment, guys, I
52:42
answer three of your questions. I answer only three of your
52:45
questions, but you can send in as many as you want.
52:47
And I solemnly do promise that I will answer all of them
52:51
truthfully and completely to the best of my ability.
52:55
Just send those questions to three questions at
52:57
gavinfish.com. Three questions at
52:59
gavinfish.com. Spell it out.
53:01
THREE questions at Gavinfish dot com and I will do my very best.
53:08
Surprisingly, I don't get very many emails.
53:11
Sometimes the emails have lots of questions.
53:13
But if you, if there's something you want to ask maybe
53:16
specifically to dispatching that I could ask Natalie or another
53:20
guest, send it in. Send it in.
53:23
OK, what are our questions? Let's let's bring up the right
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screen here. Boom, what is a harmless hill
53:31
you are willing to die on? Food opinions count I guess.
53:39
Since you brought up food, I would say that pork rinds are
53:45
not food. Stop eating them.
53:48
It's disgusting and gross. You are not gross if you do it,
53:55
but the behavior is gross. I don't approve of pork rinds,
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EW. Deep fried skin EW.
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Oh, gross. Question #2 guilty pleasure.
54:10
Do I have any guilty pleasures? I don't know that I feel guilty
54:14
about any of my pleasures. I I do I have any guilty
54:20
pleasures? I can't think of one right now.
54:26
I will say this I there is a video of Aretha Franklin singing
54:37
You make me feel like a natural woman at the Kennedy Center that
54:41
was honoring Why am I blinking Carole Carole King, who is the
54:48
writer of that song. I think she was the Co writer.
54:51
I think her ex-husband, that they wrote it together.
54:55
I watch that performance probably weekly.
55:01
I go to YouTube. And I.
55:03
Watch that performance weekly and and I love it.
55:06
I think it's maybe one of the most amazing vocal performances
55:12
I've ever seen. And it's not just by Aretha
55:16
Franklin. Her backup singers are awesome.
55:19
She's on the piano for most of it, but then she has another guy
55:22
come in on the piano for her. Aw, it's awesome, check it out.
55:27
It's many, many years old. It's like it's got to be
55:30
10/11/12 years old, something like that.
55:33
It is so good and I don't feel guilty for it, but it is
55:36
something that I probably, I probably should stop doing so
55:41
often and plus it leads me into a rabbit hole of amazing live
55:44
performances. For example, have you seen Anne
55:48
and Nancy Wilson do? What's that Bernie Talpin 1?
55:56
Hold on, All I can think of is alone right now, but it's not
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alone. No, it's not.
56:01
Anyway, there's a live performance that Hart does Anne
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and Nancy Wilson do that is so freaking great.
56:08
It's the one that Nancy sings the lead and it was written by
56:11
Bernie Talpin. And I'm just I all I can sing in
56:15
my mind right now is alone, which is also a terrific song.
56:18
Also, Anne and Nancy Wilson saying Stairway to Heaven, also
56:24
at the Kennedy Center Honors, obviously honoring Led Zeppelin.
56:30
Check it out. Also, Josh Turner, the name of
56:34
the YouTube channel is Josh Turner guitar.
56:36
He does a rendition of She Loves Me Like a Rock by Paul Simon.
56:41
That is so freaking amazing. So I get into the I get into
56:46
those little rabbit holes and tell me what your guilty
56:49
pleasure is. OK, tell me what your guilty
56:52
pleasure is and tell me the harmless hill that you would die
56:54
on in the comments. We're going to have a little
56:56
time for it. OK, last question, you told us
57:00
you used to travel a lot. Is there anywhere you haven't
57:02
been? Yeah, there are plenty of places
57:03
I haven't been, tons of places I haven't been.
57:06
Most of South America I haven't been to.
57:09
Most of Central America I haven't been to.
57:11
I've been, I've been around almost all of North America, all
57:15
of Europe. I I don't think there's a
57:19
country in Europe that I haven't been to in Africa.
57:24
I've only been really to Northern Africa.
57:27
I've been to Ethiopia, I've been to South Africa, but everywhere
57:29
in between I haven't been. I've not been to the Middle East
57:32
and Asia. I've never been to India, I've
57:34
never been to Pakistan. I've never been like to Bengal
57:43
or anything like that. But I've been a lot of places.
57:46
I'll tell you, there are only, there's only two places on Earth
57:50
that I have not been to that I really would love to go to.
57:54
The first is Alaska, and not as a tour.
57:57
Well, I would technically be a tourist, but I'm not interested
57:59
in the touristy things. It'd be fun to just spend a few
58:02
weeks somewhere in Alaska. That'd be fun.
58:04
And then I'd really love to go to Antarctica someday.
58:07
And I think that's something that we can make happen as we
58:11
age a little bit. My parents did that and I
58:13
thought that was pretty cool. But yeah, if you listen, I
58:16
always say I'm Johnny Cash. If you listen to, you know, I've
58:20
been everywhere. I've pretty much been everywhere
58:25
in that song. It's really funny.
58:28
But yeah, all of it was for business.
58:30
Very little of it was for pleasure.
58:32
I did have some fun experiences like the one that I shared with
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you guys last night with my coworker and friend in Paris.
58:39
So. But if you are a traveler, tell
58:43
us. Tell us where you would love to
58:46
go. And with that, let's move right
58:48
into headlines. True crime headlines.
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How? OK guys, there are a couple
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headlines that I just want to bring up as we close out the
59:04
show before we get to your comments.
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By the way, Natalie gave me all of her notes.
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I will post that in the fish tank.
59:14
If you are new here, the fish tank is where we hang out on
59:18
Facebook. Let me bring this up.
59:21
If you go to my website, gavinfish.com, it's always
59:24
LinkedIn. The description down below and
59:25
click on the little fishy upper upper right hand corner that
59:28
will take you to the fish tank. I will post Natalie's notes in
59:32
there. OK to headlines, Gavin to
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headlines. Come on Gavin, what are you
59:37
doing here? Boom.
59:44
What to know about Nick Reiner's new lawyer, Kimberly Green.
59:47
This was published today. Kimberly Green may be the new
59:50
face on Nick Reiner's legal team, but this is hardly her
59:52
first rodeo in the courtroom. The Los Angeles based attorney,
59:56
who served as a public defender in Southern California for
59:58
nearly two decades, has joined the Screenwriters murder case
1:00:02
after Reiner's previous lawyer, Alan Jackson, abruptly stepped
1:00:05
down. Which we covered yesterday.
1:00:08
Skipping, skipping, skipping. Just a couple quick things.
1:00:13
Kimberly Green was admitted to the State Bar in June of 2007.
1:00:18
She began working as a deputy public defender in the public
1:00:22
defender's office there in LA. She's held the position for 19
1:00:25
years. A public defender is a type of
1:00:28
attorney that typically represents accused people who
1:00:30
are unable to pay for their own legal counsel.
1:00:34
She went to school. Prior to becoming a lawyer,
1:00:37
Green studied business administration and political
1:00:39
science at the University of Miami.
1:00:41
She earned a bachelor's degree in business administration.
1:00:43
After completing her program, Green later headed to the West
1:00:46
Coast and enrolled at Loyola in Los Angeles, where she graduated
1:00:51
in 2006. And there's more information on
1:00:55
her that you guys can find. I think that she is a competent
1:00:58
lawyer that Mister Green has now.
1:01:00
Speaking of which, let's see. I think I have.
1:01:05
Yeah, again, on the Nick Reiner case, this from the son, this
1:01:10
from. It was updated today, but it was
1:01:12
from a couple days ago. Nick Reiner's siblings want
1:01:15
seriously ill brother to avoid death, death penalty despite
1:01:18
parents murder, Family friend says this is going to be an
1:01:21
unnamed source that says they're a family friend, which I don't
1:01:24
really like, but I thought I'd share with you.
1:01:26
Nick Reiner's siblings that want their seriously ill brother to
1:01:29
avoid the death penalty despite the alleged murder of their
1:01:31
parents. Robin Michelle Reiner's children
1:01:34
Jake and Romy, believe Nick's mental health crisis triggered
1:01:37
the alleged attack. A family friend told the US son
1:01:41
a new medication cocktail prescribed to him had reportedly
1:01:44
caused his erratic symptoms to further spiral before he
1:01:48
allegedly stabbed his parents to death in their $10 million
1:01:50
Brentwood mansion, the insider said.
1:01:53
Robin Michelle's family, despite everything, do want Nick to do
1:01:57
not want Nick to get the death penalty as they insist this
1:02:01
horrific incident was a byproduct of a mental health
1:02:03
crisis. It does seem like the apples do
1:02:06
not fall too far from the tree. These are good folks with with
1:02:11
good hearts who are probably deeply grieving because of the
1:02:19
loss of their parents, but also grieving because of the loss of
1:02:22
their brother. A different kind of loss, but a
1:02:25
loss nonetheless. Those are your headlines.
1:02:29
Now let's go over to your comments to wrap up the show.
1:02:33
We're running a couple minutes late, but I'm just going to
1:02:36
quickly go through these real quick.
1:02:41
Let's see, Miss Bree says. Your niece could be an
1:02:45
instructor or trainer, I believe.
1:02:48
Yeah, she's terrific, guys. Unbelievable, says Gavin.
1:02:53
I'd love. For you to ask your niece why
1:02:54
it's so difficult to understand what anyone is saying saying
1:02:57
when you listen to the police scanner, but somehow they all
1:03:00
understand each other. Man, what a great question.
1:03:03
What a great question, Andrea says.
1:03:07
OMGGGGGGGGI also despise pork rinds.
1:03:10
My husband eats them all the time when he's on his meat diet.
1:03:14
Gross. I don't.
1:03:20
I don't like that moon, Russian says.
1:03:22
Love Carole King and Aretha. Oh, you guys got to watch that
1:03:25
performance. It's amazing.
1:03:28
Nonna Rocks says she loves heart.
1:03:30
It's because they're amazing. It wasn't Barracuda.
1:03:33
Oh, my goodness. Let me look it up.
1:03:35
Bernie Taupin. Bernie Taupin.
1:03:39
Heart hit. It was these dreams.
1:03:44
It was these dreams, man. It took me forever.
1:03:47
I had to actually look it up. Usually it comes to me, let's
1:03:52
see, but pork rinds are collagen.
1:03:54
EW, get collagen elsewhere. Pork rinds, EW, just Ducky says
1:04:01
Disturbed covering Sounds of Silence is best ever.
1:04:04
I do like that I'm typically not a baritone kind of kind of guy
1:04:08
when it comes to hearing male vocal, but I do love that that
1:04:14
cover, It's very, very good. Will your niece's notes be on
1:04:18
Patreon as well? If you'd like, I will put them
1:04:21
on Patreon. I will.
1:04:22
I will do my very best shout out to Natalie says Wacky Wheelers.
1:04:28
Anything else? Nona Rock says we have headsets
1:04:33
and are used to hearing the radio and the voices on it.
1:04:35
So she answered the question for you for you.
1:04:39
I watch a family show where all the kids like pork rinds with
1:04:42
milk as cereal here on YouTube. That is so EW guys, that was
1:04:48
fun, that was fun. It was fun to answer your
1:04:53
questions. It was fun to have Natalie on.
1:04:55
We hoe to have her back sometime when this kind of thing comes U
1:04:58
again. She did give us some terrific
1:05:00
insight. We will be back to finish out
1:05:02
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