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The Truth Behind Keely Hodgkinson’s Training | MindSets Podcast | Episode 82 · The MindSets Podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode of The Mindsets
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  Podcast, episode 82. We are back without guest.
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  I know guest list we're. Going to have to pretend to be
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  friends again. How are you?
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  What you been up to? I've had it.
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  I mean, I haven't seen you since since the last episode we
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  filmed. Yeah, which I mean in show
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  business was only like a couple of weeks ago, yeah.
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  It feels like it feels like a longer time, isn't it?
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  Lots has happened. Yeah, I've done a high rocks.
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  He's back out there. I'm back out there, back in the
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  deep end. PBPBSAPB, there we go.
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  More in the tank. Left a lot on the table.
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  But you know, you can only learn from race experience.
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  So where was it there? And we went to the I, I was
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  actually going to make a joke about it, but like, we went to
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  Toulouse in France. Lovely.
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  Like a lovely place. Yeah.
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  Usually it's like you see the airport, you see the Airbnb, and
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  then you see the exhibition centre, which was, it was
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  similar to, it was like the French equivalent of the Excel
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  centre, apart from it was really sunny and it was kind of nice.
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  But we actually spent some time in Toulouse, the Pink City as
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  it's known. Any reason?
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  I think because the buildings are like terracotta or
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  something, but that's all I can tell you about it.
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  It was lovely. It was sunny and it was a nice
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  weekend away. Can you talk about your nails
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  please because you're waving them about and these have
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  happened since last week. I don't really know why, but it
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  was something that we decided to do and I kind of like it.
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  Was this you and Hugh? Yeah.
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  Yeah. Cool.
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  So we went to the nail salon, which was a traumatic experience
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  for so many reasons. I feel like it was something
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  that everyone needs to experience at some point in
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  their life. God, we probably don't have time
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  to be pick it. But we went in and he went first
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  and then we ran out of time. So I didn't get mine done.
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  So we had to go back the next day, but he only got 3 nails
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  done. I went full in with the five
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  nails, but then bottled the other hand.
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  There's, there's, there's, there's lots more layers to the
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  story, but I'm kind of into it. And yeah, are you?
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  Going to go back and get the other hand done or are you just
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  going to let those grow? Out.
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  I think I'm going to get rid of them and then at some point I
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  might redo them, but I'm basically just challenging
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  social norms. What I've seen a lot come up on
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  my social media recently is people offering ad space on
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  various things. People have been offering ad
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  space on their dogs, ad space on their.
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  Forehead. The forehead.
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  What is a good one? Point.
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  You've got ad space on those fingernails right there.
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  You know, little QR codes, scan the QR code.
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  Yeah. But we just thought it was a fun
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  way to kind of promote the brand and get rocks out there.
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  And it kind of looks funky and it's kind of cool and like lots
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  of compliments. Because the thing was, I hadn't.
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  Seen you and for those that follow us on Instagram, if you
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  don't at mindsets under score podcast you put out behind the
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  scenes post and in there you are with the hand and I was like,
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  haha that's. Got to be GPS down the
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  generator. I was like, that's joke.
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  Yeah, yeah. And then Jake Williamson
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  commented like, sick nails. I was like, oh, funny you.
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  Can tragedy. I've made it.
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  As soon as I saw that comment I was like, this is good.
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  He likes the nails. We're good.
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  And and yeah, they're actually, I think.
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  Honestly, they should catch on because they're, yeah, it's,
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  it's the, the experience of getting your nails done at a
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  nail shop or a nail salon, whatever you call it, is truly,
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  truly traumatic. I've only ever looked in and and
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  immediately looked away. Like I can't make eye contact
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  because I feel like everyone stares at me and I hear they're
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  always talking about you in a different line.
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  Behind your back. I, we, we probably don't have
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  time for me to go down the whole rabbit hole of the story, but I
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  liaised with lots and lots of girls about getting my nails
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  done because I was like, smart, tell me, tell me what to do,
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  what to ask for, what to get. Because there's acrylic, there's
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  gel, there's different types of gel, there's different brands of
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  gel, whatever. So everyone told me a different
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  thing, which was confusing in itself.
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  Everyone told me it was going to be a different price.
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  Everyone, all of these different parts of information that didn't
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  really come together as a whole thing, which fulfilled me with
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  confidence. When I walked into this nail
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  salon, the one thing that no one told me about was how rude the
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  people were going to be in there and how traumatic it was going
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  to be because I'm there getting my nails done.
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  Like messaging being like, this is this is traumatic.
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  And they're like, yeah, of course it is.
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  It's like you didn't tell me that.
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  Tell me the one piece of information that I needed to
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  know was that I was never would have gone if you'd never, never,
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  never, never. But yeah, it was, it was quite
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  fun. And then I think over the course
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  of both me and Hugh going and getting our nails done, the
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  people in the shop were kind of like, I don't understand what's
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  happening, but it's kind of funny.
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  So I think they warmed to us and, and you know, all of the,
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  all of the responses have been positive.
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  If this episode gets 100 likes on YouTube, I'll go and get
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  mindsets nails done. Huge.
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  There we go. Huge.
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  That's your queue. Well, we've had plenty of other
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  things going on. Mine, my life's been a bit more
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  boring. I've just been working.
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  Working away? Yeah, someone's got to do it.
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  Live in the high. Rocks Line now you've been away
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  skiing. I did, actually.
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  Yeah. You went skiing.
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  Best sport in the world is sport and best that.
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  There's no way I'll be able to prove that to you guys, but I I
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  will actually, I am awaiting my Red Bull letter.
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  I hit the best skiing one of my life and like you won't believe
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  it if I say on the podcast. So I actually have to show you a
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  video, but I'm the letter will come.
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  Have you seen those those reels where it's like waiting for my
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  Red Bull contracts and make it like 3 inches of air?
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  I made one of those on a jump. I tried to do my first ever 360
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  and I actually tore a ligament in my knee perfect.
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  And I put that video up and it didn't, it didn't do any numbers
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  because I think everyone was actually like, you're just shit.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, they didn't get it.
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  Yeah. That's not remotely bad.
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  That's shit. Yeah, the the irony was lost.
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  But in the world of sport, there's been a lot going on.
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  Yeah, as you know, we do 2 minute news as you know, we
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  normally ever run. As you know, there's a lot
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  that's happened. So we're going to say just try
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  and keep it tight, right. I like that.
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  Cool. Sounds good to me.
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  So do you want to start us off with?
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  The world of athletics. The world of athletics.
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  So we've had the indoor championships over the last
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  couple of my guest days. We've had lots and lots of
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  success, great British success, Josh Kerr winning gold in the
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  3000 meters, Keely Hodgkinson winning gold, Molly Cowgery
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  winning gold, Georgia Hunter Bell winning gold.
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  I think there was three of those, one in like a 28 minute
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  window, a bit like Super Saturday in 2012.
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  So lots and lots of success and off the back of obviously Kili
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  setting the indoor 800 meter world record.
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  We'll talk about her training a little bit more in this episode,
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  but it's just like there's so much depth, especially in middle
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  distance running in the UK at the moment.
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  So it's an exciting time as we move towards the European
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  champs, which is in Birmingham at the kind of towards the back
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  end of this year. But lots of good athletics to
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  look forward to this summer and hopefully more success for GB.
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  Yeah, that was an interesting fact she gave me as well about
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  her. She ran her.
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  Oh, yeah, I, I, I don't know where I saw this, but I'm sure
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  it's legit. So she, she yeah, yeah, we're
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  all about that legit fact checking.
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  So she ran the 800 meter final, I think.
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  Then an hour later she was then running the four by 4, which I
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  think the British girls won as well.
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  I don't, don't, don't quote me on that, but she ran the fastest
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  leg out of any of the girls. Which is insane.
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  Insane. Especially because it's like
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  it's not her like specialist distance as well, and it's off
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  the back of running. Yeah, she's honestly a freak
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  athlete. Next piece of news I've got is
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  from the football world. Most salads leaving Liverpool.
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  Is he? He is.
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  And now there's this debate whether he's a Premier League
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  legend, whether he's not. Is he the best striker in the
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  Premier League at the moment? All I know is he's not in the
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  Premier League anymore. Does he, do you know where he's
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  going? Do we know?
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  No, he's just said that he's leaving Liverpool.
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  I think there's been a bit of AI think he's been on the bench a
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  bit and I think it's just come to the fact that he's.
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  Is he getting past it in the room away?
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  I don't know enough about football.
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  I don't. Know I would say as a person
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  that's been a fringe football interest fan that most Allah has
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  been an incredible player. He's just not for me on the
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  level of some of the like, absolute legends, the Goats, the
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  Rooney's. Oh yeah, the.
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  The Messi's like, I don't think he's he's not in the same
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  conversation in in the Roman league for me.
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  I mean, I think if you're a Liverpool fan, you would
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  strongly Yeah, because he was there for the entirety of the
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  golden era. So anyway, gutting for Liverpool
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  fans. Not as gutting as seeing Arsenal
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  win the Premier League. However, on the on the flip side
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  of Arsenal working, there was another score.
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  You want to talk? About yeah, I'm peripherally
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  involved in a lot of Tottenham supporters and they've not been
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  doing well. They got beaten.
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  Are they in relegation? Are.
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  They having a good season, I think they are actually, yeah.
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  Close, I mean. Charlie mentioned that,
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  actually. So they got beaten by forests on
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  the weekend three nil, which is just bizarre.
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  And I think forests are also in contention for relegation.
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  So I think that was like a real flip result.
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  But again, like, I don't know anything about football.
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  So as you know, you guys come to us for the best football in the
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  years. The next thing that we should do
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  is we should round up the Six Nations.
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  Definitely. I boldly made a very safe
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  prediction in the last episode. I don't know if you recall, that
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  was it, that it was pretty obvious every single result.
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  And I think I got all but one of them wrong.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Which really confused me. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So if we round that off, in the
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  men's Six Nations, France won and England came second last.
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  Yeah, perfect. Great.
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  Fortunately, though, our A team is playing very soon next month.
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  The women play. And as you know, as we have
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  discovered while doing this podcast, women are better than
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  men at sports in this country. So hopefully we won't come.
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  I'm hoping as well, like I've been seeing a lot of advertising
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  about selling tickets. I hope it's like the most
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  popular women's rugby event that obviously off the back of the
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  World Cup final being the biggest ever attended women's
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  rugby event. Hopefully this can kind of just
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  kick start it again and like help to grow the sport, but
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  England are in a really good position I'll.
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  Check my diary. Maybe we should go.
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  We should definitely go if we can.
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  Yeah, yeah. I'm up for that.
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  That starts on the 11th of April.
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  Oh cool, everyone keeps. I already know that's not a good
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  weekend for me. OK, we'll go.
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  Well, we've got 5 weekends. I don't.
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  Need to let everyone know about my diary and my arrangements.
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  Then the next thing we have to talk about, it's a big weekend
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  for High Rocks this weekend, specifically in London.
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  So we had the EMEA Regional Championships 815.
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  Our home race. Car Each race is filled with a
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  bit of control. All of the races were great,
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  weren't? They they were actually really
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  good to watch. I was fortunately there in
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  person, took the opportunity while it was home.
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  Interesting races to talk about from the get go.
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  So women's race straight from the start was pop in.
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  Yeah, they went out hot. Yeah.
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  Obviously we're used to seeing Joanna Wheatrich just run away.
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  And then also Lauren Weeks is if if Joanna's not racing, Lauren
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  Weeks run away. So it's actually really nice to
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  see the chasers basically have their own race.
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  And we've probably been able to assess and people that are on
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  the fringe of hierarchs might not completely understand this.
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  London is looking like it's a fast course, basically is
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  looking about a minute faster than any other place.
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  So the timings of this matter lesson positions, But Sinead
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  Bent took the win. Yeah, awesome, right?
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  Really, really good and she actually had a good back and
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  forth quite a lot of time with Amelia Darman, who got her place
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  in the World Champs last year in the last chance qualification.
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  So similar sort of format. Unfortunately Amelia missed out
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  on the actual qualification, but she still got her first podium
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  and ran a sub 59 pro. They're all so fast, ridiculous.
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  Everyone's so fast, even like even away from the Elite 15,
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  just the sports progressed so much over the last even six
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  months. Like, yeah, of course a year is
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  progressed a lot, but the last six months everyone's running
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  like baffling me. Quick times.
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  One of the things that we're going to bring up carefully,
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  just actually out of major respect, Amelia had a a tough
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  race. Yeah, well, something happened
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  during the race, which is as a result of bicarb.
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  We've, we've spoken in previous episodes about what can go wrong
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  with bicarbon, certain reasons to test your fueling, that kind
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  of thing. I imagine it was something to do
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  with that. Not strictly necessarily true,
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  but there was a reaction which happened.
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  Gastrointestinal, not really what you'd want in a race.
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  However, literally an hour before her race, she actually
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  put her on Instagram. Nothing would make me ever quit
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  a race. And she stood true to that.
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  She crossed the line, She got her podium, she got her sub 59
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  minutes. I don't actually know if she'd
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  gone sub power before so she managed to do that and got a big
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  check and and and lived to see another day and I think just
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  fair play. Such mad respect.
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  I think like just the ability to have that adversity during a
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  race and also just go, I'm so tough and I'm not going to stop
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  that. Nothing can.
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  I think for most people, probably 99% you get to a point
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  where you're like, yeah, I'm just going to stop now, but it's
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  like when there's money on the line, it's your potential.
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  I'm assuming she does it full time as a job.
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  It's like she's got sponsors, etcetera, etcetera.
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  Yeah, honestly, mad respect And and I, I feel like it probably
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  on camera, maybe the broadcast could have done a bit better.
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  But also like, I think the whole handling of it was completely
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  fine and it'll be swept on the carpet very quickly.
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  Yeah. And then and moving on very
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  quickly in the same way that the actual event did itself, her
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  coach, Yeah, went on and set a world record.
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  Unbelievable. Yeah.
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  Yeah, that was crazy as well in the race because Tim Vienish, I
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  mean, he was first to finish the wool wools, but he had to say it
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  was a penalty, which was like. So many penalties over the
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  weekend. Yeah, so without being that guy,
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  there was some dubious judging going on and.
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  I think this is the one thing where I, I, I struggle with the
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  consistency of both the decisions that are being made
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  and then how they're being communicated.
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  I think it's like it's a sport that I, I wouldn't call it in
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  its infancy now, but it's still very new and it's trying to
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  progress and develop. It just needs better systems in
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  place, especially at that top level.
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  I think that's the thing. There is VAR now.
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  Yeah. But like, it's almost for some
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  of that's like Hawkeye to just be like replaying where the body
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  was for whatever. And was it, it was the the call
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  on Millard and Archer in the double S race on the rower where
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  1 foot they called it that she started pulling before both feet
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  were in to the naked eye, she's pulling basically simultaneous.
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  I'm like, that's a tough, tough call.
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  Yeah. And and if we stay on those.
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  So first of all, we need to we need to talk about some
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  controversy that happened in hierarchs at the weekend.
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  So in the women's pro double S, we had the winners, Lauren
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  Stockley and Charlie Searle. They crossed the line, they got
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  their cheque, they did the most heart.
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  Warming on wholesome. I love them both.
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  Yeah. Everybody, especially in this
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  country, absolutely loves them and everyone so happy to see
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  their success. The problem is that they didn't
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  actually win and they found out about this through the
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  Grapevine. Basically.
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  Lauren Stockley said that she found out on social media, which
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  is so wrong in so many ways. But they actually had a penalty
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  tacked on by VAR after the race for crossing the lanes as they
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  left. Think it was one of the sleds
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  and unfortunately the current ruling is if you cross a lane
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  when you leave a station in the sled or in the grid you get a
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  one minute penalty and the one minute penalty put them down out
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  of qualification. One minute is so harsh as well.
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  Now there's there's. Levels to this again being there
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  Holly and Saskia who at the time were in the lead they serve the
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  same penalty. However they were given the
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  penalty at the same time so it would be very unfair for them to
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  have to deal with that penalty and the others not because
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  hierarchs didn't call it at the time when it's the same thing.
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  So there is the balance of fairness there.
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  I do therefore believe that the penalty should be given is right
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  yeah, yeah. The tough I agree with that is
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  watching them do it and seeing that they got absolutely no
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  benefit from doing it at all because it was it was only one
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  of them and they didn't gain anything really other than a
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  safer release from the station, which is one of the arguments
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  that's coming on. And to get then smash with a one
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  minute penalty. Exactly the tough thing.
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  Though go through like the emotion of winning.
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  Is that Holly and Saskia knew about it at the time?
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  So I remember being in the venue and hearing that by the lunges,
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  Holly and Saskia after the running, after the rowing,
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  sorry. And after that sled incident.
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  On like 90 seconds. They had they had a 92nd penalty
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  and yet Faisal was saying they're still 45 seconds ahead
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  of world record pace. So like they know that they have
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  this penalty so they can account for it.
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  They can be pushed really hard or whatever.
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  And Charlie and Lauren, they wouldn't have known that, which
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  is again, unfair kind of, but the ruling kind, it's so it's a
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  complicated situation. It's not so black and white.
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  What I can say from my perspective is it's absolutely
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  wrong how it was handled. There should have been a
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  release, but they shouldn't have been an announcement to anybody
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  until the announcement had been made and agreed with all of the
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  actions next morning. However, I do think it's right
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  that the rule stands. People have changed, have said
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  about changing the rule the the penalty.
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  I think the penalty should remain because one minute is
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  enough to deter you to actually stay within your land, quite
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  literally. It's just a nasty situation.
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  It was poorly handled and again, if we're talking about the sport
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  developing, that is the sort of thing that you just cannot have.
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  It's all APR. It just continuously makes the
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  sport look like it's a joke. And there are.
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  It's kind of like rock and a hard place because also on the
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  flip, as a developing sport, they need to have these rules in
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  place so that when you do go and compete, you understand this is
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  what's on the line. I'm going to leave no doubt.
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  I'm definitely going to follow the rules.
• 18:12
  So at some point you have to make a scapegoat of someone and
• 18:16
  it's like if they just step back and brush it under the carpet
• 18:19
  and and pretended it never happened, then you have all of
• 18:22
  the other people being like they didn't get a penalty.
• 18:24
  So it's like over time they will develop the consistency.
• 18:27
  It's just a shame that that was how it happened and who it
• 18:30
  happened to because it couldn't have happened to a team that
• 18:34
  probably deserved it more. And they just like, love their
• 18:39
  post race interview. I don't know if you like Charlie
• 18:42
  talking about wearing the same shorts twice.
• 18:43
  It's just so good. But on the on the topic of
• 18:48
  Saskia and Holly, that for me is the pinnacle of how the sport's
• 18:52
  going to progress because they're both runners like GB
• 18:58
  level, whether it was junior or actual like top league level,
• 19:05
  they're some of the best runners in the UK And now they're
• 19:08
  transitioning to high rocks. So they're like, they're very
• 19:10
  raw in the sport of high rocks and you can see that and maybe
• 19:13
  why they got so many penalties. But if more and more runners are
• 19:17
  coming into the sport, you see how fast they were running.
• 19:20
  Honestly, it was insane. And like how effortless the run
• 19:23
  effect as well. The first lap, bearing in mind
• 19:28
  each, each lap must have been, I think it was just under 500
• 19:32
  meters kind of thing. And it's not a perfect loop like
• 19:34
  a track, but if you imagine it being like a track, they were
• 19:38
  like already one of the 100 meter turns by the end of the
• 19:42
  first lap. And I remember looking at them
• 19:43
  being like they have gone out so hot and then it didn't change
• 19:49
  the whole race. They stayed at the exact.
• 19:51
  And just looked comfortable the whole time.
• 19:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really impressive.
• 19:55
  It was it was just like it it wasn't even that they looked
• 19:57
  like relaxed. They just looked locked in and
• 20:00
  when they got to the station they didn't look like and just
• 20:02
  like mechanically sound that they're running also silent.
• 20:06
  Yeah yeah. When they came past just floated
• 20:08
  past and then you have the Stampede of everyone else coming
• 20:10
  past with like the have come from various different
• 20:13
  backgrounds stomping up the. Ground.
• 20:14
  What I also found interesting was Tim Vienish after they set
• 20:18
  the double S world record in an interview.
• 20:20
  One, I didn't realize how young he was.
• 20:23
  Yeah, he's not old self favour round.
• 20:25
  And two, him standing there like confidently saying I'm nowhere
• 20:29
  near my pinnacle. I'm going to run sub fifty solo.
• 20:32
  Yeah, and like hearing someone say that and like verbalizing it
• 20:38
  just goes show like you could take the runner who that running
• 20:42
  is their sport. That's like use Josh Kerr for
• 20:45
  example, imagine putting him into high rocks, like how good
• 20:47
  his repeatability in the running would be.
• 20:49
  And you just need a peripheral runner who's like not really
• 20:52
  made it, but it's really, really fast.
• 20:54
  They just need to do high rocks and within year, a year, year
• 20:58
  and a half someone's going sub 50 if.
• 20:59
  Someone's listening to this thinking that you know, their
• 21:01
  compromise running is the thing they need to fix do some of it,
• 21:07
  but get get better at running. It's a running race.
• 21:10
  It's a running race. Especially like when you bring
• 21:12
  in more elements. I mean, you look at the relay as
• 21:14
  a as an extreme example. The faster the runners, the
• 21:16
  faster the relay time. Take it down to two people.
• 21:20
  The faster the runners, the faster the And that's why we're
• 21:23
  starting to see the likes of I mean, Jay Williamson this year
• 21:26
  has been lighting up the double scene.
• 21:28
  Unbelief seems to be a double, double S dominant athlete.
• 21:30
  I'm sure for his sake he loves to be a solo, but if he's going
• 21:34
  to have all the success in Double S, then maybe doubling
• 21:36
  down on that, pardon the pun, would would be a smart move.
• 21:40
  And I think we will probably start to see the likes of Holly,
• 21:43
  maybe doing Holly Ansaski are doing really well in Double S
• 21:46
  and maybe not necessarily touching the solo's game.
• 21:48
  We're going to start to see that divide, which I think we've
• 21:51
  spoken about for a while, has been a long time coming, But
• 21:53
  with the way that the point system works next season as well
• 21:58
  to race the volume less because they're gonna have to focus on
• 22:01
  one of the other, maybe all that kind of thing.
• 22:03
  No, it's, it's super interesting.
• 22:04
  And also like you can feel the sport evolving because they're
• 22:08
  lobbying for the Olympics and the professionalism of like Red
• 22:12
  Bull Media House doing all of the media and the production,
• 22:16
  all of the, when the athletes are walking out into the Elite
• 22:18
  15, like into the race, it just feels professional.
• 22:21
  The broadcasted professional athletes racing together with
• 22:25
  the same nationality feels very Olympic.
• 22:28
  So it's, it's really exciting time for the sport and, and
• 22:31
  hopefully it continues to grow. And and these are kind of like
• 22:33
  the problems that we're seeing now start to get ironed out and
• 22:36
  it just becomes a bit smoother. So just why the podcast being
• 22:39
  about 20 minutes in, we're still doing the news.
• 22:41
  We've still got more tight. So, yeah, nice and tight.
• 22:45
  The next piece of news that I'm bringing, Christian Blumenthal,
• 22:48
  Oh, what a guy. A few episodes back, he was here
• 22:50
  with us and he's gone on and broken the half Iron Man world
• 22:54
  record. But yeah, what was mad about it?
• 22:57
  So first of all, three hours, 30 minutes for those of you that
• 22:59
  don't know what the distances are, and correct me when I get
• 23:03
  this wrong because I think you might be doing one later this
• 23:05
  year. The swim distance is in miles.
• 23:09
  Oh, don't do miles, OK, You do miles.
• 23:13
  I don't want to do that anymore. It's 1.9 K. 1.9 K OK 1.9 K swim
• 23:18
  into a 90K bike into a full well a 21 kilometer 1/2 marathon, 21
• 23:26
  kilometer run. So he did the swim in.
• 23:31
  Do you remember the actual time? Though all I was focusing on was
• 23:35
  how fast his half and half marathon was.
• 23:37
  So he did the swim in sub 30 minutes, not that fast for like
• 23:43
  that. I mean all of his spits
• 23:44
  basically were insane but the the bike he averaged 46 K an
• 23:47
  hour which is absurd. And then after doing all of
• 23:52
  that, he went in 1/2 marathon in 106.
• 23:56
  Just bonkers. The thing that's funny, maybe he
• 24:00
  listened to the podcast and did that that whole race in spite of
• 24:03
  what I said, because I said compared to top level runners,
• 24:10
  he's actually not that fast. Pinch assault, pinch assault.
• 24:13
  Because like if you put him versus a specialist half
• 24:18
  marathoner, he's like actually 5 minutes slower.
• 24:22
  Like on his on his day, but on his day I'm I'm taking that time
• 24:27
  off the back of a swim on a run, a swim on a bike.
• 24:30
  Sorry. So him fresh.
• 24:31
  I don't even know what he's capable.
• 24:33
  Of that's the thing though, I mean, we see like Alex Yee being
• 24:36
  a triathlete coming into it and running ridiculous time and you
• 24:40
  just got to wonder like. Because what he's close to the
• 24:42
  hour isn't. He yeah, yeah.
• 24:44
  And and that's what the elites are doing sub hour just about.
• 24:48
  Yeah, my, my, like, my gauge of how good someone is is when you
• 24:53
  see the pros that they're competing against commenting on
• 24:56
  the post. Yeah, where it's like, I see
• 24:58
  Hayden Wild and he's just like, dropped the goat emoji under
• 25:01
  under Chris and like, this is direct competition.
• 25:04
  Like he's sprinted past him and be like see ya.
• 25:07
  There was a post actually that wasn't done by either with the
• 25:10
  athletes, but mentioned how Hugo Fry run the fastest.
• 25:14
  Yeah. And was basically saying Hugo
• 25:17
  Fry, an influencer, is a really fast influencer because he ran
• 25:21
  the the run, the T100 run course, which I think was 20 K
• 25:25
  and in like pretty much an hour dead.
• 25:27
  And like, no Hugo Fry as a dog. Yeah, like he's actually a
• 25:32
  serious runner. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:33
  And I'm not embarrassed to use for that.
• 25:36
  Anyway, you've got. One, yeah.
• 25:38
  So I was going to say off the back of the commenting, what
• 25:40
  made me think of it was Matthew Vander Pol commented on Taddy
• 25:44
  Pogatcha very similar thing like because he won.
• 25:47
  What's it, what's it called? The San San Remo?
• 25:50
  I can't remember what it's called.
• 25:51
  He rat. He won another one day classic
• 25:54
  off the back of a couple of weeks ago, winning again.
• 25:56
  He beat Tom Pidcock by I'm going to say 4 centimeters on the line
• 26:03
  like a Sprint finish. Taddy fell off with 30
• 26:07
  kilometers ago, cracked his frame, bent the wheel so the
• 26:10
  discs were rubbing and still managed to they they went up the
• 26:14
  road. It was Matthew Vanderpool, Taddy
• 26:16
  Pogatcha, Tom Peacock, three poster boys of the sport
• 26:19
  cycling. They dropped Matthew and then I
• 26:23
  showed you that video of them coming down the down the hill.
• 26:25
  It's just like unfathomable how good he is at cycling.
• 26:30
  I'm just like. And the watts he can produce.
• 26:33
  I'm just scared that someone's going to take him out.
• 26:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's the only way of having
• 26:37
  a message. Yeah, yeah, it would be
• 26:39
  interesting to see how it goes. Yeah, no one can touch him.
• 26:42
  But then also like the cynic Amigos.
• 26:45
  Well. What's he touching?
• 26:48
  You said is. He on you said what is it?
• 26:51
  But we should look, we should definitely look at his training
• 26:53
  at some point because I think that'd.
• 26:55
  Be quite fun. Yes, we will do.
• 26:56
  There is one more .0 no, which kind of helps us cross over into
• 27:00
  grind my gears because one of my grind my gears this week is
• 27:03
  people that cheat. Oh nice.
• 27:04
  In sports I've seen a few people cheating at high rocks the past
• 27:07
  weekend, just doing things and getting away with them when they
• 27:10
  can. However, there's a big
• 27:13
  controversy CrossFit at the moment and I'm loving it.
• 27:16
  It's good to see do. You want to.
• 27:18
  I can't pronounce surname. I can't pronounce surname.
• 27:21
  Boving. There you go.
• 27:23
  So there's a the guy on Instagram called Hillafit and
• 27:27
  basically he just scours the Internet.
• 27:30
  I don't think this is his. Job No, he doesn't have to do it
• 27:32
  anymore. Everyone just tags it.
• 27:33
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, well, he goes through tagged
• 27:36
  videos of people doing qualifiers, whether it's for
• 27:39
  levels like the CrossFit Games or the Open or the
• 27:42
  quarterfinals. Doesn't matter to regional
• 27:44
  competitions to Hyrox is doing war balls badly and he basically
• 27:48
  just slates them and then does a load of detective work to figure
• 27:51
  out if someone's cheating. Someone sent him this video
• 27:54
  because no one had ever heard of her.
• 27:55
  She's got like sub 3000 followers on Instagram and came
• 27:58
  second in the 26.3 with a ridiculous time and basically he
• 28:04
  just pulled up the video and found out that she'd like
• 28:07
  overlaid the clock and she was using a training bar rather than
• 28:10
  a real but and it was all a bit fishy.
• 28:13
  All of this stuff happened anyway.
• 28:14
  He called her out, found out she was cheating and I think she's
• 28:16
  been served a four year competition.
• 28:19
  Ban did. She have to like prove it again.
• 28:21
  I think he asked her to do it again.
• 28:24
  I think I I haven't actually watched his full YouTube video
• 28:27
  on it, I've just heard peripherally people complaining
• 28:30
  about it in the gym. I think so.
• 28:31
  What I have seen from it as well was he did his video and then
• 28:35
  she did a video screen recording his video, basically like
• 28:40
  mocking him and trying to say she was cheating.
• 28:43
  If you're cheating, bad idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:45
  The Internet does not have the Internet will serve the justice.
• 28:48
  Yeah, for sure. And it did exactly that.
• 28:49
  So yeah, she's got a four year ban.
• 28:51
  It's tough. Which is, yeah, big time.
• 28:53
  Tough, but again, like you're cheating, yeah, but a similar
• 28:56
  ban if you were doping it's also.
• 29:00
  Is that bad enough? Because if she wasn't good
• 29:02
  enough to be that good in the 1st place, she probably wasn't
• 29:04
  going to get there. Yeah, but I'm just obviously all
• 29:10
  of the first stages of the qualification for the CrossFit
• 29:12
  Games are done in your affiliate and you're done filming yourself
• 29:15
  and you submit the video. But at some point you do in
• 29:18
  person and at some point you get found out because you're not the
• 29:22
  person you say you are. Correct me if I'm wrong.
• 29:23
  But even if you're filming it, do you not still have to have a
• 29:26
  judge there? Yeah.
• 29:27
  So who the hell was the judge? Right.
• 29:29
  And then it's just like, it's that's what, yeah, there's your
• 29:33
  affiliate is no longer in good standing with CrossFit, let's
• 29:36
  put it that way. Because unless you've like,
• 29:38
  you've basically just got your mate to come down with a piece
• 29:40
  of paper and be like, I'm just going to.
• 29:42
  But it's sort of, it's fascinating that people think
• 29:45
  that they can get away with that if you're going to cheat, just
• 29:47
  like subtly cheat. So the biggest news from all of
• 29:50
  this is that Elsa is now a high rocks athlete.
• 29:54
  I think that's probably what we're going to say.
• 29:57
  No, no more. Might as well, but yeah, have
• 30:00
  you got any? Well, actually should we crack
• 30:02
  on with your topic and we'll come back to go on my gears.
• 30:05
  OK, that sounds like a sounds good to me.
• 30:07
  So for those that have got to this point, we are talking as
• 30:10
  the title says about Keely Hodgkinson.
• 30:12
  So we're following on with our how does ex athlete train?
• 30:16
  And given the fact that she is just an absolute weapon breaking
• 30:20
  world records at the moment, Kee Hodgkinson makes perfect sense
• 30:24
  for us to talk. So you're going to take the lead
• 30:26
  on this one and I'm just going to throw random.
• 30:29
  I feel like to go, this is a a long time coming because we when
• 30:33
  we talk about athletics in certain contexts, there's
• 30:36
  basically two people we talk about or two people I talk
• 30:38
  about. It's either Joshua or it's
• 30:40
  Keely, depending on what's happening in the athletics
• 30:43
  world, maybe sometimes Usain Bolt.
• 30:46
  But Keely Hodgkinson, she's only 24.
• 30:49
  She's won 2 Olympic medals. She won a silver.
• 30:51
  Now she's won gold. She's reigning Olympic champion
• 30:53
  over the 800 meters. She's got the world indoor 800
• 30:58
  meter record and she's the sixth fastest ever outdoors, 6th or
• 31:06
  eight fastest. I think it's sixth fastest and
• 31:08
  she's only 24. Go on her Wikipedia, just Scroll
• 31:11
  down and see all of the medals, all of the accolades.
• 31:13
  She's, she's an incredible athlete, a specimen.
• 31:16
  So I think it's going to be fun to break down her training.
• 31:19
  So if we dive into it and just start basically breaking it down
• 31:23
  and looking at it, I think when you go back and listen to
• 31:27
  Charlie's episode and the episode that we did on Kristen
• 31:30
  Blumenfeld, basically it was just volume, volume, volume,
• 31:33
  volume, volume. They do a lot of training.
• 31:35
  It's an endurance sport. Keely's training for an event
• 31:38
  which is like Max 2 minutes long.
• 31:41
  So what you'll see is that the the limited volume and she's
• 31:45
  training a lot more quality and a lot of the reps are very very
• 31:50
  short. Because what she's trying to
• 31:52
  replicate is the sensation of the lactic build up that she's
• 31:55
  getting over an 800 meter race. And if you don't appreciate what
• 31:58
  that feels like, go down to the track and run 2 loops as fast as
• 32:02
  you can, and then you won't want to do much else for the.
• 32:04
  Rest of the day try and run one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:07
  Yeah, yeah, most people are getting lactate by like 200
• 32:10
  meters. Oh yeah.
• 32:11
  And then you will do that. And how fast they're going you.
• 32:13
  Used to run 400. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:15
  And that used to be my. Least there's there's lots of
• 32:17
  PTSD from researching how she was training and listening to
• 32:21
  clips of her online talking about her training and the
• 32:24
  lactic and lying on the track for 30 minutes after session.
• 32:27
  So it's been quite fun to go down memory lane.
• 32:30
  But this, this this snippet was stolen from Athletics Weekly.
• 32:35
  I think it was from her actual coach, who's Trevor Painter.
• 32:38
  And they're all based up in the north of England in Manchester.
• 32:41
  There's a group of them that train together, but I think this
• 32:44
  was from about 2021 and it's from a winter block, so that
• 32:49
  she's probably doing less fast stuff and building more aerobic
• 32:53
  base. But we'll be able to depict and
• 32:54
  maybe see what she's does now and also in season.
• 33:00
  But if we just go through it and feel free to button if you've
• 33:03
  got anything but on a Monday, she's looking at something like
• 33:07
  60 minutes low aerobic. And it's not just low aerobic,
• 33:11
  it's also low impact. Because with such a high caliber
• 33:16
  athlete, the last thing you want to do as your as a coach is
• 33:19
  injure her. So it's like limiting the amount
• 33:21
  of impact she's getting across the week.
• 33:22
  So she's doing that either on our favorite, the cross trainer,
• 33:26
  or swimming. And I think with a little bit of
• 33:28
  Googling also, she has a bit of a background in swimming.
• 33:31
  Maybe when she was a lot younger and then her dad kind of
• 33:34
  persuaded her to pursue athletics.
• 33:37
  But I assume she's probably quite a good swimmer.
• 33:39
  She's also doing some core work now.
• 33:42
  The core work resonates a lot with me because when I trained
• 33:45
  on track, we just did so much core.
• 33:49
  And when you think about the mechanics of running and the
• 33:51
  stability, especially when you're getting into the back end
• 33:54
  of a race where there's a lot of lactic, the analogy we used to
• 33:57
  say it's, it's almost like you're running through treacle
• 33:59
  down the home straight and there's so much mechanical
• 34:02
  breakdown that if you have a sloppy core, that just gets
• 34:05
  perpetuated right, so. You know, and I've spoken about
• 34:07
  this on the podcast before, I have an anterior pelvic tilt.
• 34:11
  Yeah, yeah, I only became aware of that when I started doing
• 34:14
  Sprint training in my last couple of years when I was
• 34:16
  outlaw for university, because I was going to the sessions.
• 34:20
  We weren't necessarily, Yeah, we weren't actually necessarily
• 34:22
  doing like some core training to begin with.
• 34:25
  All I recognised was I would get home from every single one of
• 34:28
  those sessions and my core would just be so tired.
• 34:31
  And then I started to think about it and we then started
• 34:33
  incorporating some of these like core sessions into sessions
• 34:36
  doing dead bugs and things like that, the end of pretty much
• 34:39
  every upper body session. And then I started to actually
• 34:41
  see I can actually hold this position and this running.
• 34:46
  From a little bit longer really, because that's not falling
• 34:48
  apart. Yeah, it's, it's very
• 34:49
  interesting. And like, I think also, and it
• 34:52
  doesn't say here, but I'd assume a lot of the course stuff
• 34:54
  they're doing is also very dynamic, very explosive.
• 34:57
  And they'll be using light Med balls.
• 34:59
  I don't know if you've seen any of the videos of like the groups
• 35:01
  training together on the track, but they're basically eating the
• 35:05
  the D ball as high as they can, chucking the Med ball against
• 35:08
  the wall. But there's also very specific
• 35:10
  strength and conditioning where they'll throw Med ball into like
• 35:15
  if you're watching on YouTube, you can see me acting this out
• 35:18
  into like their, their stride pattern, that kind of thing, or
• 35:21
  like throw the Med ball straight into a Sprint, that kind of
• 35:24
  thing. So it's a lot more dynamic than
• 35:25
  just, oh, we're going to lie on the floor and do crunches
• 35:28
  basically. But I'm sure she's doing a lot
• 35:31
  of core. And I know this is a bit dated
• 35:33
  now, but I'm sure core is a large parcel of her circuits
• 35:36
  basically. So then and again, you'd be
• 35:40
  probably be surprised at how little she's actually running
• 35:43
  across the course of the week. And we always talk about like
• 35:46
  people doing crazy volume on training for a marathon, doing
• 35:49
  200 K keys, doing like very little, very little volume
• 35:54
  because she's trying to develop fast twitch fibers and like that
• 35:57
  tolerance to lactate rather than being able to just go slow and
• 36:01
  long. Also because of the intensity of
• 36:02
  the running when she does. Run the recovery time.
• 36:04
  Yeah, yeah, way harder. Yeah, for sure.
• 36:06
  Quality. So track Tuesday, Tuesday
• 36:08
  session. And again, this is going to be
• 36:11
  so specific and they're not always going to do the same
• 36:13
  session on a Tuesday. And the sessions will progress
• 36:16
  across the block, but the examples they've given him
• 36:20
  anywhere from six hundreds to tempo efforts to three hundreds.
• 36:24
  And then once they've done their track work, which we'll talk
• 36:27
  about in a second, they'll do another 30 minutes slow and easy
• 36:30
  probably on the cross trainer just to build that, that volume
• 36:34
  maybe closer towards the season. And I could be wrong.
• 36:37
  You can go either way with this. Maybe closer towards the season
• 36:40
  that 30 minutes on the cross trainer turns into some more
• 36:43
  time on the feet. But maybe not.
• 36:45
  I'm just speculating there. But the, the efforts that
• 36:48
  they're doing there, they do very, very short efforts with
• 36:53
  lots and lots of recovery. Because what they want, like I
• 36:55
  said at the start, is to focus on quality reps.
• 36:59
  So there's no point in doing a 300 really hard, have one minute
• 37:03
  and then try and do 300. They want repeatability.
• 37:07
  So it'd be a 300m effort. And then the rest periods could
• 37:10
  be like 7 minutes long. And you look at that on face
• 37:13
  value and you go, that doesn't sound that bad, but because
• 37:17
  you're fully recovered, fully recovered as much as you
• 37:20
  probably could after doing a hard 300 and then repeating that
• 37:24
  again, it's just brutal. Like the training is truly
• 37:26
  horrible when. When we were mentioning that we
• 37:29
  were doing this pre episode, it absolutely reminded me of one of
• 37:34
  the sessions that you programmed for me and some friends to do,
• 37:38
  which was an echo bike test where basically it was like Max
• 37:41
  effort echo bike for 30 seconds or something.
• 37:44
  And then I think the rest time we had, because there was quite
• 37:46
  a lot of us was, it was like 4 minutes.
• 37:48
  And I went to literally on the podcast and I went to say was
• 37:51
  only four minutes, which is wild because if you're listening to
• 37:54
  this and you're hearing 30 seconds of effort and four
• 37:55
  minute rings, that really doesn't sound bad.
• 37:57
  But, and I think we heard her saying this in a podcast like
• 38:00
  your head is banging, you feel like you're going to throw up
• 38:04
  and everything. I felt hungover.
• 38:09
  Yeah, yeah. Mid session.
• 38:10
  Oh yeah, yeah. Let alone end of session.
• 38:12
  It's it's really interesting, like the sensation that the
• 38:16
  waste product build up creates like that lactic creates in the
• 38:19
  body. But one of my favorite videos
• 38:21
  from that exact session on my phone, basically I just scroll
• 38:26
  around the gym and there's bodies just lying.
• 38:28
  There's people outside, there's people on all fours outside,
• 38:31
  there's people with their feet against the wall.
• 38:33
  There's no one on an echo bike and we're probably not even
• 38:36
  halfway through the session. And I'm like, it was, it's
• 38:40
  always that the output sessions like that are the hardest ones.
• 38:44
  And sprinters, we'll call 800 meters a Sprint.
• 38:48
  The sprinters will be able to resonate with that the most.
• 38:51
  Like it's crazy. So then we move on to Wednesday.
• 38:55
  This in terms of what she's actually doing, it's 30 minutes
• 38:57
  steady run. So she's going for a nice little
• 39:00
  jog outside and then she does her gym session.
• 39:03
  I'd love to see an actual gym session that she does, but I'd
• 39:07
  imagine she's doing lots of plyometric work.
• 39:10
  She's probably doing some sort of compounds lifting, maybe it's
• 39:14
  a hinge or pull off the floor like a deadlift or an RDL.
• 39:17
  Then probably some sort of squat or maybe lunge.
• 39:21
  But then I'd imagine she's also doing some sort of variation of
• 39:25
  power clean, developing explosive power like that.
• 39:28
  When we do plyometrics specific to sprinting, a lot of the
• 39:32
  drills you actually do with hurdles, whether you're bounding
• 39:35
  over the hurdles or just stepping over the hurdles.
• 39:38
  And just one, you're creating explosive power.
• 39:41
  But two, you're also developing better kind of mobility in the
• 39:44
  hip and flexibility in the hip, which is also going to
• 39:46
  contribute to a better running economy.
• 39:50
  But one of my favorite things to talk about is sports specific
• 39:54
  Olympic weightlifting, because lots of people like to rage bait
• 39:57
  on on on social media where they'll see.
• 40:00
  Someone like Kili Hodgkinson for example.
• 40:02
  I've used FEM COBOL for a lot of examples as well doing something
• 40:06
  that replicates almost what a power clean could should look
• 40:09
  like but it looks a little bit funky.
• 40:12
  And the comments, the trolls in there being like, this is such
• 40:14
  bad technique. And I'm like, as long as they
• 40:16
  don't hurt themselves, what they're trying to achieve is
• 40:18
  power output and more explosivity.
• 40:21
  So it doesn't actually matter. But I'm sure she's doing lots of
• 40:23
  Olympic weightlifting like that. One of the things I imagine that
• 40:26
  she's probably doing, again, this is taken from the
• 40:28
  experience of what I saw at Loughborough when I was there.
• 40:32
  Interesting. She went to Loughborough
• 40:33
  College, so if if I saw this happening in the elite hours of
• 40:36
  Power Base, I imagine that she might have been doing these
• 40:38
  various sessions. But a lot of college students
• 40:41
  come to. If they're, if they're college
• 40:43
  students, I, she was when basically college, it was an
• 40:46
  easy way to give someone a scholarship without them being
• 40:49
  on scholarship. I can't be quoted saying that
• 40:55
  when they were in there, a lot of what they would be doing if
• 40:58
  they were doing squats, for example, would be a portion of
• 41:01
  that squat. So I would sell the safety bars
• 41:04
  and they would maybe be doing what some troll on the Internet
• 41:07
  would say is quarter squat, but they would be doing variations
• 41:11
  even within the squat ranges or the lunge ranges or anything.
• 41:14
  So what might be happening, and this is one that I saw quite
• 41:17
  commonly, was you would set the safety bars on the squat rack up
• 41:20
  at quarter squat high. You'd load the bar up super
• 41:24
  heavy. They would then go under like a
• 41:26
  split squat stance and they would suddenly take the load up
• 41:31
  to the top, swat legs and catch the bar before it hit the safety
• 41:35
  bars, basically working the explosivity.
• 41:37
  But then also the ability to hold the force.
• 41:39
  And you've said this before many, many other athletes and
• 41:42
  many other ways of training. But like, your body is only as
• 41:44
  strong as the force it can absorb.
• 41:46
  So I love that when they are doing that swap of the leg,
• 41:50
  they're then training their other leg that hasn't been
• 41:52
  explosive to still be able to absorb the load.
• 41:54
  And when you think about running, there's two things
• 41:56
  going on. There's force production,
• 41:57
  there's force absorption. And so you're doing that in a
• 42:00
  highly specific, highly loaded environment because what you
• 42:04
  don't understand in running is the sheer load that you put
• 42:08
  through your ankles and through your Achilles tendon, especially
• 42:11
  if you're doing shorter distances, you're really like
• 42:13
  priming that. And that again comes into like
• 42:16
  doing the power cleans, but sometimes they might have a
• 42:18
  whole session of power cleans and then I imagine there's some
• 42:20
  sessions where they're just doing hand cleans.
• 42:22
  Yeah, just to work that. To be honest with you, I think
• 42:26
  it's like a risk reward. Most of these people or most of
• 42:30
  these athletes either go from hang or go from blocks because
• 42:33
  there's like reduce the risk of pulling from the floor.
• 42:36
  Again, you've got one of the most high caliber athletes in
• 42:40
  the world. You want a wrapper in cotton
• 42:43
  wool, She's got big sponsorship deals.
• 42:45
  She needs to race. She needs to be in the
• 42:47
  limelight. You don't want to get her
• 42:49
  injured. So yes, you need to make sure
• 42:51
  she's resilient and tolerant to all of these stresses that she's
• 42:55
  getting when she's racing. But also, what's the point in
• 42:57
  risking her or let's do a heavy deadlift off the floor.
• 43:00
  It's not worth it, like risk reward.
• 43:03
  But moving on to Thursday, this is probably the one that I'm I'm
• 43:06
  most interested in. The example that her coach gave
• 43:10
  was 3 * 8 minutes in the morning.
• 43:14
  I don't know what rest that's going to be off, but 8 minutes
• 43:18
  is probably on the very end of the VO2 Max spectrum.
• 43:23
  So I'd imagine she's getting probably close to 1 to one rest,
• 43:29
  but probably at least 5 minutes of rest off an 8 minute effort.
• 43:32
  But when you're running around the track even, and I think this
• 43:37
  is like the, the simplicity is kind of the beautiful thing
• 43:41
  about it. And I remember back when I was
• 43:43
  training for 400 meters, we weren't running around our
• 43:45
  efforts, looking at our watch being like what pace we running.
• 43:48
  It was like coach blow the whistle and you just absolutely
• 43:51
  gun it as hard as you can. And you basically just there's a
• 43:54
  long line of you and your feet are slapping the track and
• 43:56
  you're basically hugging the inside and you're going to go as
• 43:59
  hard as you can. And it's basically every man for
• 44:01
  himself and it doesn't matter what the time is.
• 44:03
  You run through, the coach has got the timer, he's like 3637,
• 44:07
  and you just lie on the floor for 5 minutes, get up and do it
• 44:10
  again. It's like don't worry about the
• 44:12
  pacing. And I can imagine that's
• 44:13
  probably the same thing that they're doing in their VO2 Max
• 44:15
  efforts. I think she calls us the
• 44:18
  sessions like lactic killers or something like something
• 44:20
  similar. It does what it says in the tin.
• 44:23
  Basically, just go as hard as you can for as long as you can,
• 44:27
  lie on the floor for a little bit, get back up there again.
• 44:30
  And that's like, honestly, sometimes I feel like training
• 44:35
  and fitness has just become too scientific.
• 44:37
  And we've spoken about that so many times on the podcast,
• 44:39
  haven't we? Where it's just like just go and
• 44:41
  run really fast for as long as you can and then when you can't
• 44:44
  anymore, stop. Yeah, so for the person.
• 44:47
  Maybe I'll write a book. For the person who's listening
• 44:49
  to it, don't worry, there's a really good one you should read.
• 44:51
  For the person who's listening to this, who doesn't really
• 44:54
  understand the need, or maybe they don't really dabble in
• 44:59
  sports which require lactic, lactic efforts, or maybe they
• 45:02
  do, but they don't do them because why would I do it where
• 45:04
  you see the benefit if I can just get loads of benefit of
• 45:07
  doing loads of zone too? But it's a tolerance training
• 45:11
  and an efficiency thing. So I think there's two sides to
• 45:14
  it, as you know, with the name of the podcast, the Mindsets
• 45:17
  podcast. But like there's the mental side
• 45:19
  of training your brain to be like this, OK, I can tolerate
• 45:23
  this pain. I can tolerate the the horrible
• 45:26
  acid heat feeling that I've got going on in my legs or wherever
• 45:30
  it is. But there's also then training
• 45:33
  your body to efficiently clear that or use the lactate as fuel,
• 45:38
  which I imagine in an athlete that's running a distance, which
• 45:43
  for their maximal output is going to be so, so painful.
• 45:48
  It's something they're going to have to do pretty regularly to
• 45:50
  get used to that physically and mentally.
• 45:53
  Yeah, it's actually a really interesting one because I don't
• 45:56
  know where I saw the her quoted on it, but she was on a podcast
• 46:01
  and the podcast host seemed to be surprised that as an 800m
• 46:06
  runner she wasn't just doing loads and loads of 800 meter
• 46:08
  reps. And maybe for someone who
• 46:11
  doesn't have experience training for athletics or training in
• 46:15
  sport, that would be surprising. But in the same way that US
• 46:19
  training for high rocks, we wouldn't just continuously go
• 46:22
  and do high rock simulations, which I know some people do do
• 46:25
  for training, but it's probably not the most effective way.
• 46:29
  But what she was saying was when she's on the track, all of the
• 46:33
  efforts are very short and they're very intense because she
• 46:37
  wants, or at least her coach wants her to associate the track
• 46:42
  with fast, hard effort. So when she does eventually go
• 46:46
  and compete at the end of her training block, she steps onto
• 46:49
  the track. And even if there's like that
• 46:50
  subconscious association, OK, it's wig, it's go time now
• 46:55
  because I'm on the track. And I resonate with that because
• 46:59
  I can't walk past an athletics track now without getting
• 47:01
  butterflies in my stomach. And my dad, who also ran track,
• 47:05
  he was an 800m runner slightly longer than me.
• 47:08
  He, I remember we, he was taking me to go and play rugby when I
• 47:12
  was younger. And by the rugby pitch, there
• 47:14
  was a track that you always had to cross.
• 47:16
  And he always used to say that to me.
• 47:17
  He was like always get butterflies in my stomach kind
• 47:19
  of like 40 years on from when he was racing as well, which is
• 47:23
  like, it's just clearly some deep rooted PTSD.
• 47:27
  But I'm sure it's the same for her when she goes to the track,
• 47:29
  she's like, I know this is going to be such a tough session.
• 47:32
  Like it's really interesting to to to some.
• 47:34
  Payments you get butterflies. They like some of the track
• 47:36
  sessions and I I wasn't doing tracking the same way.
• 47:39
  I've I've been to the track far less often that you have.
• 47:42
  I probably still get nervous with the idea of doing a track.
• 47:45
  Session. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:47
  But I've had some amazing mornings and evenings doing
• 47:51
  traffic. Like I walk away from them.
• 47:53
  Oh yeah, high on life, but go into them so dead online.
• 47:57
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, sometimes that's the way.
• 47:59
  But that's the same with all exercise.
• 48:00
  Right, I think, and that's a nice take away.
• 48:02
  So finishing off that Thursday. So she's done those hard
• 48:05
  efforts, maybe like VO2 Max efforts in the morning.
• 48:08
  She then hops on the cross trainer.
• 48:10
  She loves the cross trainer more than Charlie Bottereau.
• 48:12
  Look at this setting the trends Saturday, then longest session.
• 48:19
  So like a progressive run or just running through different
• 48:22
  zones. I think it's just like
• 48:23
  developing a bit more volume there.
• 48:25
  But this is this is very specific to winter training.
• 48:27
  I think getting closer into the summer or the the beginning of
• 48:31
  the year when the season's starting to ramp up, they're
• 48:34
  getting into the indoor season. A lot of them will treat indoor
• 48:37
  season as a little bit of just like a tester to see where they
• 48:39
  are. And I think that's why she's
• 48:41
  been so confident in saying I'm going to set the world record
• 48:44
  for the 800 meters outdoors this year because she's already set
• 48:46
  at indoors. And like, it's a big claim to
• 48:49
  make when you're a young 24 year old.
• 48:50
  But she's got the accolades to back it up.
• 48:53
  And I cannot wait for her to go and break that 800 meters
• 48:55
  because I think it's coming very shortly.
• 48:58
  And that will be an exciting day for everyone.
• 49:00
  This is a bit of a rogue question as an outsider of the
• 49:02
  athletics. The indoor traffic is 200
• 49:04
  meters. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:07
  Are you rank? Yes.
• 49:08
  Do you really account for that in the way you train for each of
• 49:11
  those as competitions because one you're also doing more turns
• 49:14
  and you've got the well you do have help of the bank versus
• 49:18
  being outdoor than a 400 meter flat track where wind can also
• 49:21
  play. Yeah.
• 49:23
  I mean, I don't, I don't think you do anything to account for
• 49:25
  it differently. You just got to appreciate that
• 49:28
  when you're running on it, it's slightly steeper and it's
• 49:31
  slightly tighter. But for the 8 hundreds, I think
• 49:36
  even the four hundreds indoors, after the first lap you will
• 49:40
  come down into the one lane. So it pays to be faster so you
• 49:44
  can be at the front of the train basically.
• 49:46
  But you wouldn't do anything different.
• 49:47
  You might train slightly differently for 400 meters.
• 49:53
  I don't think we ever ran 400 in the indoor season.
• 49:57
  We'd either run longer, so we'd run a 600 or we'd run shorter
• 50:01
  300. And because I had no competency
• 50:06
  in anything longer than 401 meters, I was always very, very
• 50:10
  set on either running 200 or 300, even though my coach wanted
• 50:12
  me to run 600. But we, we, I'm obviously not
• 50:17
  even in the same, I don't know, same sphere as Kelly Hodgkinson.
• 50:22
  But it's like just a way of testing all your fitness is for
• 50:26
  the outdoor season, which is probably the more important one.
• 50:28
  And people will look at an athlete of her caliber and
• 50:32
  they'll probably skip over the indoor medals because it's the
• 50:35
  outdoor ones that really count. Yeah, which I I kind of get like
• 50:38
  they're the ones that get with glory.
• 50:39
  And one question that I've got though, is this would be her
• 50:43
  offseason training. And I imagine there are some
• 50:45
  changes, as we've said, there wouldn't be some changes for in
• 50:48
  season and summer training. But what would tapering look
• 50:53
  like for considering there's like the Diamond League?
• 50:55
  Yeah, yeah, something. But then you've got other
• 50:57
  tournaments that get thrown. In, yeah, yeah, that's a good
• 50:59
  question. So how would you assume and I,
• 51:03
  I'm don't reckon you've got this in front of you, so how would
• 51:05
  you assume based off your knowledge or what you would
• 51:07
  think is a good idea for her in that sense?
• 51:10
  So what I assume will have happened well before the season
• 51:14
  started, so back end of last year, probably in the winter,
• 51:18
  her and her coach will have sat down and gone.
• 51:21
  This is the calendar. These are the events.
• 51:23
  And again, it depends on what level of athlete you are.
• 51:26
  But for Keely, she can go and walk into any event she wants.
• 51:29
  And sponsors are probably dying for her to go and race at
• 51:32
  Diamond League. So what she's doing now is
• 51:34
  probably going that's a cool race that I want to, I want to
• 51:38
  enter that's got good prize money.
• 51:40
  I want to enter that. But also I want to do the indoor
• 51:44
  world champs and I want to do the Europeans and I want to do
• 51:46
  the big comps and we're also building towards the Olympics in
• 51:49
  another two years time or whatever.
• 51:51
  So then they'll just build their season around that.
• 51:54
  So as a result, hopefully what they haven't done is try to cram
• 51:57
  too much into a short space of time so it's not constantly race
• 52:02
  taper, race taper, race taper. It's race, see where I'm at,
• 52:06
  make the adjustments over X amount of weeks.
• 52:09
  Then I can take her down for, I don't know, Diamond League in
• 52:12
  Monaco or wherever she wants to go and win a load of prize
• 52:14
  money. But also she's probably not
• 52:17
  necessarily so motivated by prize money now because she's
• 52:20
  got big Nike sponsorships and other brand deals, etcetera,
• 52:23
  etcetera. She's fortunate in that
• 52:24
  position. But tapering would be very
• 52:27
  similar to how we might taper for our racing.
• 52:29
  Whereas you'd probably have pretty tough intensity all the
• 52:33
  way up until maybe 4 days. And then you might do some sort
• 52:37
  of shake out, some strides, that kind of thing, and then rest
• 52:42
  maybe one or two days before you actually compete.
• 52:44
  And I think that's probably a good model for anyone competing.
• 52:48
  Yeah, because I mean her whole program, as we said is based
• 52:51
  around like quality being the number one.
• 52:53
  Yeah. So if you're not going to have a
• 52:55
  quality session, a bit more rest is actually more beneficial,
• 52:57
  100% like competition. One of the things that I had AI
• 53:03
  had a really good question for you around something to do with
• 53:08
  athletics. I've completely which is a bad
• 53:11
  job as a, but I think go as you mentioned going into the
• 53:18
  Olympics in a few years time, how much focus would there be on
• 53:20
  that right now? I think it's always as a as a
• 53:25
  I've. Remembered my question.
• 53:26
  I think that's the beauty of it and This is why things like
• 53:30
  tennis being in the Olympics frustrates me because I don't
• 53:33
  necessarily think that Alcaras now is thinking I can't wait for
• 53:37
  the Olympics. Whereas if you're an athlete
• 53:40
  that is like the absolute pinnacle and that is the only
• 53:44
  thing you want to win. If I don't win anything else, I
• 53:46
  want 1 Olympic gold medal and I want it in my in my trophy
• 53:50
  cabinet, even if the rest of the shelves are empty.
• 53:52
  Because that is you go down in like athletics folklore.
• 53:55
  So I think everything is targeted towards that and you
• 54:00
  only have limited cycles as an athlete of the Olympics.
• 54:05
  So it's like Keely's already done 2 Olympics.
• 54:08
  Hopefully she has at least two more, maybe three more.
• 54:11
  But after that you're like, there's going to be new talent.
• 54:13
  She's going to be getting slightly older.
• 54:15
  She'll be like what, 12 years older?
• 54:17
  She'll be getting close to like 36.
• 54:21
  Quick maths, yeah. So it's like at that point she's
• 54:25
  already done probably. I don't want to speak on her.
• 54:28
  Well, this was this was actually what my question was going to be
• 54:31
  is we've been speaking a lot about endurance athletes and
• 54:33
  typically speaking, endurance athletes actually reached their
• 54:36
  prime sort of in their mid 30s to late 30s even some have had
• 54:39
  success in their 40s. What is the sort of perceived?
• 54:44
  Prime, I'd say she's entering it now, which is mental because
• 54:50
  she's already got an Olympic gold medal and the, the, the
• 54:53
  fact that she's well, she's British record holder, she's now
• 54:57
  indoor 800 meter world record holder and she's the sixth
• 55:01
  fastest 800m runner ever. And some of those times should
• 55:06
  be 100% negated because the people yeah, yeah, would very,
• 55:11
  very much don't know who holds the 800 record, whether or not
• 55:16
  it's legit or not, who knows. But like, she's already done
• 55:19
  that and she's only 24 and I think now she's getting to her
• 55:23
  prime. So her prime racing years are
• 55:25
  probably now between 24 to 27. So she's got three big years.
• 55:30
  She's got LA. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:32
  And that's she's got to be looking at that going.
• 55:35
  I don't just want to win it. I want to go with fireworks and
• 55:38
  I want to set the world record literally.
• 55:40
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 55:40
  And like cement herself, she, I mean, she's already probably the
• 55:43
  best ever British 800 or middle distance runner, but like to win
• 55:49
  another gold medal to back it up, go back-to-back is huge.
• 55:53
  But yeah, I mean, like typically for that sort of distance and
• 55:56
  that sort of sport, I'd say anywhere in your early 20s to
• 55:59
  mid to late 20s. And I think you come into like
• 56:02
  your endurance here and maybe like 27 to early 30s probably.
• 56:07
  I, I read somewhere, I don't know if I believe it, but like
• 56:09
  your strength is your most aptitude to strength is your
• 56:15
  early 20s as well. So she's kind of strength, power
• 56:19
  with her explosivity, with her sprinting is in and around
• 56:22
  there, I'd say. And I feel like as well, the
• 56:23
  other thing that again, throwing it back to the side, there's two
• 56:26
  sides of this. But I think why I've started to
• 56:29
  understand as I've grown up with athletes is that I always used
• 56:32
  to think that athletes had their prime when they were like 21.
• 56:34
  To 20. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:35
  And then I actually realised that a lot of athletes are like
• 56:37
  physically in their prime, maybe around then or just after them,
• 56:41
  but then the mental side has to catch up because their raw
• 56:45
  ability for some athletes, they're so talented physically.
• 56:48
  Yeah, they they are winning by that point.
• 56:50
  Yeah, Yeah. And then they actually get even
• 56:52
  better when they mentally catch up.
• 56:54
  I forgot his name. I was.
• 56:55
  I wanted to mention him. Did you see the kid who played
• 56:57
  for Arsenal, who was 16? He scored.
• 56:59
  He's the youngest ever Premier League goal scorer.
• 57:02
  He scored only 16. He played like a couple of weeks
• 57:04
  ago, 16 Premier League. So oh, no, I did see that.
• 57:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, mental.
• 57:10
  That's crazy. But all of the stuff around like
• 57:13
  safeguarding and he has to be in his own separate changing room
• 57:16
  because he can't be in the changing room with the men's
• 57:17
  team and he's like he's going and playing with Arsenal, but he
• 57:20
  has to also do his GCSE. It's like it's all, it's all
• 57:23
  mental. But like you say, for someone
• 57:26
  like Keely, when you're put into the cauldron of an 800 meter
• 57:32
  world final, like at the Olympics, she's already shown so
• 57:37
  much maturity to go. I'm going to control this race
• 57:40
  and I'm not going to get flustered if someone tries to
• 57:42
  push hard. But she's in a fortunate
• 57:44
  position where she's just so much quicker than everyone else
• 57:47
  and everyone's just basically scared of her.
• 57:50
  So she just basically, she just runs to the front, runs as hard
• 57:54
  as she can, and no one can catch her up.
• 57:55
  So she doesn't have to worry too much about the tactics.
• 57:58
  But I think as she gains more and more experience, life
• 58:01
  experience and race experience, that will just compound and
• 58:04
  she'll get even better and she'll be even more untouchable,
• 58:06
  which is like the crazy thing. I've got 2 questions which are
• 58:09
  very very different. One question is just to clarify,
• 58:12
  in athletics, when is the offseason?
• 58:15
  How long is it? Yeah, good question.
• 58:16
  So obviously the offseason I'd say, because let's say if there
• 58:22
  was an Olympics every year, that's like what you're peeking
• 58:25
  towards. So if there's not an Olympics,
• 58:27
  they'll be world champs or European champs.
• 58:30
  And that's usually in the summer around August time.
• 58:34
  I think that's the same with the the Summer Games, the Olympics
• 58:37
  and basically off the back of the Olympics, that's when
• 58:40
  offseason starts. So you're offseason, you take
• 58:43
  some time off probably September and then start going into your
• 58:47
  winter block in like November time, October, November time.
• 58:52
  The way I look at it, it's not probably not helpful if you're
• 58:54
  not in the UK, but it's kind of like when uni starts is like the
• 58:58
  start of your offseason when you start your offseason training.
• 59:01
  So October time through all the way until basically maybe March,
• 59:07
  April, unless you do the indoor season.
• 59:11
  For me, who was just an average athlete, I didn't put much
• 59:14
  emphasis on the indoor season because I don't really want to
• 59:17
  get much out of it. I want to run outside when it's
• 59:19
  sunny so my I do a few indoor races but the majority of my
• 59:23
  actual racing started like April time.
• 59:26
  Probably April, May. Yeah, it's quite, it's actually
• 59:28
  quite long. Yeah, yeah, you've got lots of
• 59:29
  time. OK, that's interesting.
• 59:31
  I didn't know that. The other question I've got is
• 59:32
  if you woke up tomorrow. Yeah.
• 59:34
  And you're Ki Hodgkinson. Yeah.
• 59:37
  Would you choose to retire before you started slowing down,
• 59:41
  or would you try to keep winning while slowing down and then call
• 59:45
  it a day when you weren't winning?
• 59:46
  What? So I have to base off my now?
• 59:50
  If I woke up tomorrow as Katie, I have to retire.
• 59:54
  No, no, you, you can retire when you're hitting your best times.
• 1:00:00
  So like so like she could go, so you could go and break, but.
• 1:00:03
  It's all it's all like hypothetical.
• 1:00:04
  Yeah, yeah, the whole thing is hypothetical.
• 1:00:06
  So you could wake up tomorrow. You're Katie Hodgkinson.
• 1:00:09
  You get to choose when you retire.
• 1:00:10
  You either retire after you've run your fastest time, or you
• 1:00:15
  retire when you're now actually having to race against people
• 1:00:20
  because you've got a slower and younger people are coming up and
• 1:00:22
  like you're not actually winning.
• 1:00:23
  I'd I'd gun for the world record and then I'd retire.
• 1:00:26
  You retire straight. Away because there's so many
• 1:00:29
  people who hit the peak and you're but it's so hard to know
• 1:00:35
  when your peak is your peak. And it's very easy for me to say
• 1:00:38
  this because I've I've never had a peak.
• 1:00:39
  I'm just, I've just been shy the whole side.
• 1:00:43
  But if if I was Kelly Hodgkinson, that's what I'd do.
• 1:00:47
  I'd just like go out with a bang.
• 1:00:49
  I'd freaking just, yeah, probably double middle finger
• 1:00:53
  the crowd and just be like I'm the GOAT.
• 1:00:55
  Yeah. And then?
• 1:00:55
  No one's ever going to be better than me.
• 1:00:57
  Yeah. But you never know, like over
• 1:01:00
  the next couple of years, there could be some new raw talent who
• 1:01:02
  comes up and like, you want to see them go head to head and she
• 1:01:05
  might want to race them. But she at that point in her
• 1:01:08
  career, she won't be motivated by money.
• 1:01:10
  There's there's so few, especially like British, like
• 1:01:14
  British middle distance runners or like spent runners who are in
• 1:01:18
  a financial position to not have to worry.
• 1:01:20
  There's so few in the whole of athletics history just because
• 1:01:24
  there's so little funding and there's been so few like real
• 1:01:28
  generational talents, that she's in such a fortunate position
• 1:01:31
  that she'll just be able to walk away from the sport whenever she
• 1:01:34
  wants and be basically fine for the rest of her life.
• 1:01:37
  It's so interesting, like different sports, but seemingly
• 1:01:39
  similar sports and like who we've spoken about in the last,
• 1:01:43
  I think four or five episodes, even going back to the Winter
• 1:01:46
  Olympics when we were talking about this sort of sprinting and
• 1:01:48
  athletic side of the skeleton. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:50
  But just like the absolute opposite ends of the spectrum
• 1:01:53
  for training, even though the training on paper has some of
• 1:01:56
  the same methodology and like there's a lot of running going
• 1:01:58
  on, but the length of time, very different things.
• 1:02:02
  But then also like you've got the cross trainer and so many
• 1:02:04
  people's program. And I remember going to my first
• 1:02:07
  year when I was kidding, being like those things, get them out.
• 1:02:10
  Yeah, no one. Wants waste of space.
• 1:02:12
  Absolutely. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:02:13
  Yeah, I remember doing that as well.
• 1:02:14
  But no, no, it's my most used piece of equipment.
• 1:02:17
  Yeah, literally. But yeah, it's it's another
• 1:02:21
  interesting episode going through what some of these
• 1:02:24
  athletes are doing as a job. Also, like understanding that
• 1:02:28
  while that sounds sick as a job, imagine doing those lactates.
• 1:02:32
  Hard work. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:34
  I'm sorry. I would far rather sit in an
• 1:02:35
  office. And I'm, I'm like, she's gaining
• 1:02:39
  all of this recognition and she's winning these titles
• 1:02:43
  because of the hard work she's doing.
• 1:02:45
  And it's very easy to forget that.
• 1:02:46
  And it's also so like, again, commending her because she has.
• 1:02:51
  All of these brand deals, she has all of this attention on
• 1:02:53
  social media and she will still go and bin herself on the OH.
• 1:02:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is yeah, yeah, so so yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:00
  However, we were going to come back round to the grandma gears,
• 1:03:03
  so there's a few put on there this week by me.
• 1:03:09
  I'm a bit scared of your first one.
• 1:03:10
  I'm just the. First, the first one I'm going
• 1:03:12
  to talk about delicately because I saw something on social media
• 1:03:16
  this week which was about high rocks and it was some
• 1:03:18
  flamboyance in high rocks. I think is the most appropriate
• 1:03:21
  way to say it because I have, I'm so unbothered about the way
• 1:03:27
  that people dress, the way that people act, what their sexuality
• 1:03:30
  is. I honestly, whatever floats your
• 1:03:33
  boat. And as long as you're having a
• 1:03:34
  good time, I'm having a good time for the most part.
• 1:03:38
  OK. However, in this video, it was a
• 1:03:41
  video of someone who I think was doing a double S race.
• 1:03:44
  I'd seen footage of them doing a double S race and like while
• 1:03:47
  their partners wall walling like doing slut drops, enjoying the
• 1:03:50
  music like it is what it is, kind of funny, whatever.
• 1:03:53
  However, I then actually saw another video of that person,
• 1:03:56
  this time seemingly doing a solo race.
• 1:03:57
  Or maybe their partner just wasn't in shock, but like doing
• 1:04:01
  the burpees rolling around on the floor, literally dry humping
• 1:04:04
  the floor and like doing all that.
• 1:04:06
  And I'm I'm like, no, Because if, if something like spitting
• 1:04:10
  on the floor or pouring water over your head is enough to get
• 1:04:13
  you a penalty, then that in a public place where there are
• 1:04:16
  families with children as well, like you wouldn't do that on a
• 1:04:19
  playground. So don't do it at high rocks.
• 1:04:22
  I don't think there's a place for that.
• 1:04:23
  And I think that should at least be a penalty.
• 1:04:25
  Not even I'm not saying they should be disqualified.
• 1:04:27
  Like I said, they can enjoy themselves But like someone
• 1:04:29
  should go over and say look. I'm also like competition.
• 1:04:34
  Yeah. Why have you?
• 1:04:36
  What? It's just a different mindset,
• 1:04:38
  isn't it? Why have you paid money to do
• 1:04:39
  this? If you like, I'm not going to
• 1:04:41
  push yourself. To be honest, I think there's a
• 1:04:42
  reason I saw it on social media. I would argue that it was
• 1:04:46
  probably all being done because there was a camera on them and
• 1:04:48
  they probably wouldn't if. It.
• 1:04:49
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just one of those tough
• 1:04:52
  things. And it it just it it it was
• 1:04:54
  grinding all my gears. I don't have a problem with each
• 1:04:56
  of the individual elements. I just have a problem with all
• 1:04:58
  of those things happening in that place in front of certain
• 1:05:00
  people that might be very, very young.
• 1:05:02
  And it's just not like the best image.
• 1:05:05
  Yeah. Really.
• 1:05:06
  Yeah. So that's that's the first one I
• 1:05:08
  mentioned Cheats. There's been people cheating
• 1:05:12
  I've seen at high risk this weekend, but I'll let you go
• 1:05:14
  over you've already mentioned nail silence been scary.
• 1:05:18
  My next one, mine are always so niche and I'm like, no one's
• 1:05:21
  going to be able to relate to these.
• 1:05:23
  But people who train with their phone and their keys in their
• 1:05:28
  pocket, that just winds me up for that for their sake.
• 1:05:34
  Like how? How are you doing a workout with
• 1:05:39
  your keys in your pocket? Keys is crazy.
• 1:05:42
  Even running with my keys pisses me off.
• 1:05:44
  So I there's no if you think. Burpee with the keys in your
• 1:05:48
  pocket. That's painful, it's loud, it's
• 1:05:50
  annoying, it's just dumb. But I will often get to the gym,
• 1:05:54
  start doing something, then be like my phone's in my pocket.
• 1:05:57
  Yeah, Well, that's really that's because.
• 1:05:58
  I'll have a bar and I'll be hitting.
• 1:05:59
  My phone, but then it's like you'd take your phone out, you
• 1:06:03
  wouldn't then continue to have your phone in your pocket.
• 1:06:05
  Real real side question, what do you do with your phone when you
• 1:06:08
  take it out? Well, I have the luxury of not
• 1:06:10
  training in a commercial gym. So what do you?
• 1:06:12
  Do I just put it on the side? You you walk over and you put it
• 1:06:15
  down carefully. Yeah, that's so rogue.
• 1:06:18
  Everyone knows that when you're you just drop it, you take it
• 1:06:20
  out, you drop it on your hoodie, drop it on your foot or your
• 1:06:22
  hoodie. I don't know why that's
• 1:06:24
  acceptable. Everyone does it.
• 1:06:26
  And then you do a couple of laps around like the 1m radius of the
• 1:06:29
  machine and then you sit back down and you do everyday.
• 1:06:33
  By the liquid shorts, so the only issue.
• 1:06:35
  That I've got at the moment and this is attached to one of my
• 1:06:38
  big grind my gears this week, which is thieves.
• 1:06:40
  OK. I at the moment have been
• 1:06:43
  training with my phone in my pocket.
• 1:06:45
  OK, not because I think someone's going to steal my
• 1:06:47
  phone, but because I'm currently using wired headphones.
• 1:06:50
  Oh no, because someone stole your Airpods.
• 1:06:53
  Someone stole my Airpods I was at.
• 1:06:55
  Wired headphones are cool. I was at Harris this weekend, by
• 1:06:58
  the way. This is all initially my fault.
• 1:07:01
  OK, so I was wearing the hoodie I'm currently wearing now, and
• 1:07:04
  in that hoodie pocket was my Airpods.
• 1:07:06
  In my Airpods case and a lens cap off one of my cameras,
• 1:07:11
  annoying me actually off a lens that I was hiring for the
• 1:07:14
  weekend, but I got really hot because I was running around.
• 1:07:17
  Those of you that have seen me working at one of those events
• 1:07:19
  know that I run around. I threw the hoodie over my
• 1:07:22
  shoulder. I put the bag down.
• 1:07:24
  I came back, I threw the hoodie back over my shoulder.
• 1:07:26
  Got to the end of this race, I'd cooled down a bit, put on my
• 1:07:29
  hoodie, I must have put my Airpods in that lens cap
• 1:07:32
  somewhere. Checking my bag nowhere great,
• 1:07:35
  it's fallen out. Retrace my steps, nothing Ask
• 1:07:38
  every single head judge on every station because I'm thinking
• 1:07:41
  logically that's who you're going to give it to.
• 1:07:43
  Which the member of staff went to the help desk because anyone
• 1:07:45
  handed it in No, they took my details, we'll call you when
• 1:07:48
  someone hands it in I'm thinking do you know what?
• 1:07:50
  For the most part apart from 2 toxic people on a podcast
• 1:07:53
  everyone's really lovely and a higher ups and they'll hand
• 1:07:55
  things in. Never got handed in so now I'm a
• 1:07:59
  grind. Your gear.
• 1:08:00
  You're wearing a phone. You're you're assuming.
• 1:08:02
  That someone stole it. Yeah, because I, I mean, I was
• 1:08:05
  also in the venue when it was empty that night, so I could
• 1:08:08
  walk around and see everything. I thought you were going to see
• 1:08:10
  someone pickpocket to you. Well, it is your own fault,
• 1:08:13
  honestly. There is actually.
• 1:08:15
  Never put anything precious in your hoodie pocket.
• 1:08:17
  I I'm aware unless there's zip. I'm aware and one of the things
• 1:08:21
  that's really annoying about it is I also because I hate to be
• 1:08:25
  the person that I would blame. I actually think there is a
• 1:08:29
  chance that someone took them because I did put my bag down
• 1:08:32
  and my hoodie down and take a photo, came back and that's when
• 1:08:35
  I realized it was gone. And I feel like I would have
• 1:08:37
  noticed the weight change when I was carrying it initially anyway
• 1:08:39
  at that point. So who knows?
• 1:08:41
  Who knows someone? Has got my airpods and that make
• 1:08:44
  them a thief. There you go, but I think
• 1:08:47
  thieves in general are a grind my gear.
• 1:08:49
  I'm going to level it up. Oh God, I was very fortunate,
• 1:08:52
  actually, in an unfortunate sense, to do some work with my
• 1:08:55
  protein. Yep, on Monday and that was
• 1:08:58
  cool, but it was also disastrous and I felt awful for even being
• 1:09:01
  there. The reason that I was there is
• 1:09:03
  that a friend of mine and also another camera wizard was in a
• 1:09:09
  cafe 20 minutes before the shoot and their entire petty case of
• 1:09:13
  lenses and multiple cameras got nicked by someone sat next to
• 1:09:16
  them that made a distraction and midway and they didn't notice
• 1:09:18
  for like 10 minutes that their whole thing had been taken.
• 1:09:21
  Just so got into perspective how much a lens costs.
• 1:09:23
  So all I'll say is that I know that that petty case with
• 1:09:27
  everything in it was 10s of thousands of.
• 1:09:28
  Pounds. Literally.
• 1:09:29
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like 1 lens can cost a couple of
• 1:09:32
  grams. Yeah.
• 1:09:33
  So that's, that's so to and like also direct impact on business.
• 1:09:38
  Yeah. But if that happened livelihood
• 1:09:39
  and I had a shoot that day, I've lost that.
• 1:09:41
  And also I don't know 100% if my insurance is going to cover it.
• 1:09:45
  I've got to deal with the police first.
• 1:09:46
  Like for the week I'll probably need to cool off shoots.
• 1:09:49
  And then also your relationship with the person you have to
• 1:09:51
  shoot with, you've just let them down.
• 1:09:52
  So it's like potential business. It's yeah, it's a nightmare.
• 1:09:55
  That's so yeah, Not in my good books this week for sure, but
• 1:09:59
  we'll see again next week. Next week I'm going to do one
• 1:10:01
  more and I'm going to follow that first one.
• 1:10:04
  Wasn't that niche? This one is super niche.
• 1:10:06
  OK, let's say we're doing a partner work out together.
• 1:10:08
  You've just seen what I've. Written.
• 1:10:09
  I've seen another one, yeah. Let's say we're doing a partner
• 1:10:12
  workout together, and part of the partner workout is an Echo
• 1:10:16
  bike. We have to accumulate X amount
• 1:10:18
  of calories. You're on the Echo bike, you're
• 1:10:21
  smashing it, going really fast. I'm standing behind the Echo
• 1:10:24
  bike ready to get on. How do you get off the Echo
• 1:10:28
  bike? Not to put you on the spot, I.
• 1:10:33
  Don't. I don't know what you're.
• 1:10:34
  I won't put you no. No, no, put me on the spot.
• 1:10:37
  Yeah, I'm getting off left, OK. And as I get off left, I'm
• 1:10:41
  actually pushing the handle. So the IT keeps going, keeps
• 1:10:45
  going for a second. So you can.
• 1:10:46
  You're in my good books. OK, cool.
• 1:10:47
  So obviously when you get off the echo bike, the pedals keep
• 1:10:51
  turning and the handles keep going.
• 1:10:53
  So you've got off left and I'm standing behind.
• 1:10:55
  As the pedals go background, I can step on, catch the pedal and
• 1:10:59
  continue to go. If you're inexperienced or just
• 1:11:04
  an idiot, you'll stop your pedals.
• 1:11:08
  I didn't. Know if people did that?
• 1:11:09
  You'll get off and now I have to get on.
• 1:11:12
  And start the whole thing. Again and expend X amount of
• 1:11:16
  glycogen reserves. 10 calories to get that.
• 1:11:19
  So get that going again. So I'm like, yeah, it's yeah.
• 1:11:23
  That's and that's so niche, but that's something that you can
• 1:11:26
  learn from when you do your next pipe.
• 1:11:27
  For myself, a few times in workouts with the echo, but
• 1:11:29
  where I try and get off it and leave the pedals so they'll
• 1:11:32
  finish in a certain position, I get on, I jump on and I'll like
• 1:11:35
  go for it. And I miss the pedals I've got
• 1:11:38
  missing here on my Shin's trying to slice.
• 1:11:40
  Up, but one of the best ones that I did was at turf games and
• 1:11:43
  there was like a run and then you got back to whoever in your
• 1:11:46
  team got back first could start the C2 bike.
• 1:11:49
  I've got like the whole of the gym standing there supporting.
• 1:11:52
  I've run so hard I'm the first one back in all of the lanes.
• 1:11:57
  I jump onto the back of the C2 bike to mount it and I just land
• 1:12:02
  like straight on my balls on the saddle obviously like what else
• 1:12:06
  was I expecting to happen? I hear people groan behind me,
• 1:12:11
  but I'm like, they've obviously clocked that I've done that.
• 1:12:14
  They're like, oh, and I'm like, I'm not turning around and I'm
• 1:12:18
  not stopping. But that was that was up there
• 1:12:21
  with one of the most painful experiences in my life.
• 1:12:23
  Horrible. I got off at the end.
• 1:12:25
  They're like, I was like, no, I was fine, fine.
• 1:12:28
  I've been assaulted by a bike before at the other end and God,
• 1:12:31
  that's uncomfortable. But I didn't react because a car
• 1:12:34
  was behind me and I you, they saw it and I'm like, I'm.
• 1:12:36
  Fine, I'm fine. You can't.
• 1:12:38
  And you've got you've got another one on here which I want
• 1:12:41
  to know about. Oh no.
• 1:12:43
  Yeah, the one below training with phone or keys in a pocket.
• 1:12:47
  I was saving that one. I've got to talk about it now.
• 1:12:50
  It's jokes. It's funny that we haven't
• 1:12:53
  discussed our crime like is before this.
• 1:12:55
  OK, what grinds my gears, whether this is rational or not,
• 1:12:59
  is people who read the Nando's menu because.
• 1:13:03
  You just should know what you're going to have.
• 1:13:05
  Yeah, down to the. OK, right.
• 1:13:07
  Here's 10 seconds, 321-GO double chicken wrap, halloumi and then
• 1:13:13
  Perry salted fries. What temperature are you going
• 1:13:15
  for The? Perry Tamer.
• 1:13:17
  It's like that BBQ one. I think that's ended that
• 1:13:19
  conversation there, actually, because you've just gone Perry
• 1:13:22
  tamer. Tamer's goated.
• 1:13:24
  Just BBQ. You can tell this podcast why
• 1:13:27
  Kanye. Jesus Christ.
• 1:13:29
  Hold this evening. I'll take it.
• 1:13:30
  Boiled chicken. That's where I just, I actually
• 1:13:33
  found I've got like 3 different orders and then you put me on
• 1:13:35
  the spot so so I don't even need the menu and I've got three
• 1:13:38
  different options. It depends what mood I'm in.
• 1:13:40
  I. Actually did have to read the
• 1:13:41
  menu recently. The men's What training is like
• 1:13:43
  climbing? Nanos have have you seen?
• 1:13:44
  Nanos have really been changing up how you can order.
• 1:13:47
  This is actually a grown idea. Oh God, wow, how have we got
• 1:13:50
  here? I've got another one.
• 1:13:52
  So there are certain things on the Nando's menu you can't order
• 1:13:55
  with one side really. So you can only order things
• 1:13:58
  like a sunset burger, which is arguably one of the best things
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  on the menu with two sides. And the problem is then I like
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  having so I've I've liked Frankenstein, my own meal.
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  I'll have like 4 chicken thighs because then if I get garlic
• 1:14:11
  bread, I can make sandwich nice. But sometimes I'm just like
• 1:14:14
  sunset burger just fucking slaps.
• 1:14:16
  So I want that. But then because I want I love
• 1:14:19
  the mash is underrated, so underrated.
• 1:14:22
  And obviously I'm going to get Perry sorted chips.
• 1:14:23
  But then there's like other things.
• 1:14:25
  I eat some mash and chips. That's the thing, I can't do
• 1:14:28
  that, but like I can if I get a third side.
• 1:14:31
  So if I get broccoli, it's kind of OK.
• 1:14:32
  Now what I used to do, I used to do was get a kids meal with
• 1:14:37
  three chicken wings, broccoli and chips.
• 1:14:39
  And then I used to have the mash on the side of my sunset burger,
• 1:14:41
  which is one side. That way I get a small amount of
• 1:14:44
  chips, which makes it OK. I get my healthiness in the
• 1:14:46
  broccoli, which by the way, is just covered in oil and taste
• 1:14:48
  delicious. Garlicky oil in.
• 1:14:49
  It and then I got 3 chicken drumsticks that chicken wings to
• 1:14:53
  go with my sunset burger which is the perfect ratio of chicken
• 1:14:56
  to carb to veg. And then they bastardized the
• 1:14:59
  menu and they got rid of the chicken wings off the kids menu.
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  Shame. And it's throwing the whole
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  thing out of whack because I also can only get two sides with
• 1:15:07
  a sunset burger. And I'm like, if I'm going to do
• 1:15:08
  that, then I'll just get my thighs and I have two extra
• 1:15:10
  piece of chicken. I love how passionate that was,
• 1:15:14
  but also the Sunset Burger I. Don't think I breathed.
• 1:15:17
  Once you didn't, I was like, when will this end?
• 1:15:20
  The Sunset Burger does not travel well.
• 1:15:22
  That's all I'll say. If you're getting it delivered,
• 1:15:24
  do not get the Sunset burger because and like the cheese and
• 1:15:28
  everything, just everywhere. Yeah, it is.
• 1:15:31
  It is crazy if you're in a house.
• 1:15:32
  Also severely underrated sweet potato wedges.
• 1:15:36
  I'm not even a little bit underrated.
• 1:15:37
  I love them if they're. A starter have them as a side
• 1:15:40
  for sure. Another reason I would want to
• 1:15:42
  make the. Salumi sticks as well.
• 1:15:44
  They're just. Expensive, I give you that.
• 1:15:47
  I for sure give you that. I think we could talk about
• 1:15:50
  Nando's for a long time. What's so?
• 1:15:51
  Funny is in every episode recently, we've been like, we
• 1:15:54
  can talk about this for so long and it's been about something
• 1:15:56
  really specific and niche in sport and performance and we're
• 1:15:58
  now talking about Nando's. I also because I was I re
• 1:16:01
  listened to the Charlie's second episode on the way here actually
• 1:16:05
  I feel like we cut short the meal deal bit and that was the
• 1:16:10
  bit that he wants to go in on the most I feel like.
• 1:16:13
  So we need to do another episode.
• 1:16:14
  Where guys, if you want Charlie back to really go in on the meal
• 1:16:17
  deals, we will do a full episode on meal deals.
• 1:16:19
  Do you know what else Charlie loves?
• 1:16:21
  Mando's my guy, of course he does.
• 1:16:23
  So we can get. Charlie back on who I know is
• 1:16:25
  listening to We will. Not do any training chat.
• 1:16:27
  I promise, Charlie, it will just be yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:30
  Nutrition because nice, yeah, because I feel us just talking
• 1:16:34
  about meal deals isn't the same as an elite level athlete
• 1:16:37
  helping us out and. People don't believe that elite
• 1:16:39
  athletes know exactly what they're getting from McDonald's,
• 1:16:41
  but they do. Let's bring it back to talk a
• 1:16:44
  little bit about performance. Called you this week.
• 1:16:46
  Did your race in a fancy pair of socks?
• 1:16:50
  Yeah, the high socks. How do they perform for you?
• 1:16:52
  I love them. Honestly love them.
• 1:16:55
  Super grippy, super comfortable, my favorite feature.
• 1:16:58
  Obviously they're grippy on the bottom with like rubber grippy a
• 1:17:00
  bit like a reformer Pilates socks.
• 1:17:03
  So like there was no slipping on any of the sleds, which I'd
• 1:17:06
  actually had previously pulling the sled.
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  None of that. But my favorite feature.
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  I don't know if this is something that they make a big
• 1:17:13
  point of. It's got like a thin mesh on the
• 1:17:17
  top of the sock, the breathability unrivalled.
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  And I never thought I'd love that in a sock, but it looks
• 1:17:23
  great. And it also is, it's just a nice
• 1:17:25
  it's it's that's something that I didn't think that I needed
• 1:17:29
  that maybe potentially I thought was a bit gimmicky.
• 1:17:31
  I'm going to say it, I'm going to be honest.
• 1:17:33
  But then I used it and I was proved completely wrong and I
• 1:17:36
  loved them. And what I also like that you
• 1:17:37
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• 1:19:35
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• 1:19:39
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• 1:19:41
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  How's that? There we go.
• 1:19:54
  Anyway, on with the game. So in this game, you're going to
• 1:19:57
  be building the ideal athlete. OK, Now this athlete is going to
• 1:20:02
  compete in. Multiple events.
• 1:20:06
  OK OK, so they're going to be doing the CrossFit Open, right?
• 1:20:09
  They're going to be doing the Horowitz World Championships.
• 1:20:10
  Nice. They're going to be running a
• 1:20:11
  marathon. Cool.
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  OK, Then they're going to be doing AT-100 triathlon.
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  Sounds a lot like me. OK, there we go.
• 1:20:20
  So what you're going to do is you have a budget of £100, OK,
• 1:20:24
  each thing, and I'll run through the things, has a top tier of 30
• 1:20:29
  lbs. Oh nice, a middle tier of 20 lbs
• 1:20:31
  and a bottom tier of £10. You get to choose your athlete
• 1:20:34
  for that part of your body, right?
• 1:20:36
  OK, so we're going to go through, I like it, parts of the
• 1:20:39
  athlete. So we're going to start off, and
• 1:20:41
  I'm not going to give you the names just yet, but you're going
• 1:20:43
  to start off with legs, right? The next thing is going to be
• 1:20:47
  your engine. OK.
• 1:20:48
  Next thing is going to be your speed?
• 1:20:50
  Nice. Next thing is your upper body.
• 1:20:53
  OK, Next is mindset. I love that.
• 1:20:56
  And then the last one is your injury likelihood.
• 1:20:58
  Oh, cool. OK, OK, so starting with legs,
• 1:21:02
  and I'm not going to give you all of the athletes across all
• 1:21:04
  of them. We're going to go.
• 1:21:05
  So I've got £100 budget. How many?
• 1:21:06
  How many? So 6 sections.
• 1:21:09
  So if I was to go top budget for all of them, I'd spend £180.
• 1:21:13
  OK, fine. If you went middle budget for
• 1:21:15
  all of them, you're still over spending slightly.
• 1:21:17
  OK, that's good to know. Wait, middle budget was 20?
• 1:21:19
  Yeah. Oh yeah, you're still spending
• 1:21:20
  over. OK, cool.
• 1:21:22
  Easy. Right.
• 1:21:23
  So legs. Legs.
• 1:21:25
  Saquon Barkley, Nice big running back.
• 1:21:28
  NFL 20 lbs. David Beckham.
• 1:21:31
  OK, 10 lbs. Eddie Hall.
• 1:21:36
  Based off the events that I'm competing in.
• 1:21:40
  Wait, actually, we've got CrossFit, don't we?
• 1:21:44
  Oh, no, I was, I was, I was surefire going DB, but maybe I
• 1:21:49
  want Saquon Barkley now. I'm going to stick with my guns.
• 1:21:55
  I'm going to go middle tier. David Beckham, 20 pounds, 80
• 1:21:59
  lbs. That's a bargain.
• 1:22:00
  That's a bargain for David Beckham's legs engine.
• 1:22:03
  OK. That's the pounds big one.
• 1:22:05
  Tie the Gadger. OK.
• 1:22:07
  Nice 20 lbs Charlie Bottle, That's a bargain. 10 lbs.
• 1:22:14
  Keely Hodgkinson, I mean. Based off the events that I'm
• 1:22:22
  doing, I've got to do T100, I've got to run a marathon today.
• 1:22:29
  Pugacha seems like a good time to spend top tier money on this.
• 1:22:35
  Bear in mind, after two out of six, you just spent half your
• 1:22:37
  budget. Yeah, but engine for these
• 1:22:40
  events is a big one. OK, but also like the events
• 1:22:45
  that I'm doing, Charlie's very specific to he'd be good at the
• 1:22:50
  cross to open, he'd be exceptional at the the High
• 1:22:54
  Rocks world champs. He'd probably be damn bloody
• 1:22:57
  good at running a marathon and he'll get through.
• 1:23:02
  I'm going to play it safe and I'm going to save the 10th Nah
• 1:23:05
  today for catchers like the guy I'm no, I'm going to be
• 1:23:10
  sensible, stick with my head. I'm going to go Charlie bottle a
• 1:23:14
  bargain of £20. I think that's money well spent.
• 1:23:17
  I think, I think that was it was going to be really between one
• 1:23:21
  of those two and I think you have to go with Charlie.
• 1:23:24
  You have to, yeah, Yeah. Speed.
• 1:23:27
  Here we go. 30 lbs Elliot Kipchogi.
• 1:23:31
  Nice. 20 lbs Usain Bolt. Yeah. 10 lbs.
• 1:23:38
  Andy Murray. God, I was.
• 1:23:40
  I was just going to say out because the speed thing, you've
• 1:23:44
  given me two different scales, but I'm, I'm trying to do good
• 1:23:48
  at endurance events. I don't need Usain Bolt speed.
• 1:23:53
  I was, I was going to say that speed is almost irrelevant for
• 1:23:57
  this and I was going to just shout out £10 before you even
• 1:24:01
  said who the 10 lbs was, but now you said Andy Murray.
• 1:24:06
  I've never seen the guy run further than 5 meters.
• 1:24:10
  It's tough to the net, but if I spend what am I on now?
• 1:24:16
  You spend £40, you got 60 left. Think how good I'm going to be
• 1:24:20
  at the marathon. Think about that Instagram post.
• 1:24:23
  Think about Elliot. Yeah, if I have his speed, I'm
• 1:24:28
  beating Hugo Fry. I'll be the fastest influencer.
• 1:24:32
  I'm beating everyone speed though for high rocks.
• 1:24:39
  Bear in mind that you're not actually getting any of the
• 1:24:41
  person trait of the person. You're not going to have their
• 1:24:43
  legs. You've already got your legs.
• 1:24:44
  It's just what is the speed potential of those legs?
• 1:24:48
  I don't so the top speed. I don't love the other two for
• 1:24:52
  my athletic escapades. Bear in mind what we've got left
• 1:24:57
  is upper body mindset and injury likelihood.
• 1:25:01
  Yeah, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to drop £30 here.
• 1:25:04
  You're going for idiot Kopchogi. But then I then I have to do
• 1:25:09
  bottom tier for. All of them I'll offer you.
• 1:25:16
  Oh no, a loan? An extra 10 lbs on your budget
• 1:25:20
  for what? Just because you're a nice guy.
• 1:25:23
  To open, yeah, to open up the extra.
• 1:25:27
  Yeah, I'm, I don't have to ask me twice.
• 1:25:29
  Yeah, I'm taking, I'm taking the extra tenner.
• 1:25:32
  OK. That's good for me.
• 1:25:34
  All right, so if are you looking very good, I'm incredible.
• 1:25:38
  Upper body irrelevant. Larry Wheels for 30, Serena
• 1:25:43
  Williams for 20. OK or Luke Littler for 10.
• 1:25:48
  That's funny, I forgot that I'm doing CrossFit.
• 1:25:51
  Yeah, I have definitely worse upper body strength than Luke
• 1:25:57
  Littler, and I managed to do the open.
• 1:25:58
  OK, his upper body dexterity, an ability to maybe like, learn how
• 1:26:06
  to ring muscle up or double under could be unrivaled.
• 1:26:10
  He's Acura. He's one of his hands.
• 1:26:12
  Very, very good at darts maths and it's kind of funny.
• 1:26:17
  I think the upper body one for all of the other vents is like
• 1:26:21
  not necessarily that important. I'm going to wait.
• 1:26:30
  How much money have I got left? I've got. £40 left. £40 Left 3.
• 1:26:35
  Events Serena Williams would be strong.
• 1:26:42
  I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to save my money and, and take
• 1:26:45
  Glistler's upper body strength there.
• 1:26:47
  It's it's not even upper body strength.
• 1:26:49
  So it's just his upper body. Oh, no, yeah.
• 1:26:52
  I'm taking it. OK, this is this is an
• 1:26:56
  interesting build. OK, this is big. 130 lbs.
• 1:27:01
  David Gobgins. Yeah. 20 lbs Me OK 10 lbs Elsa
• 1:27:09
  Bovink for reference. If you've already forgotten who
• 1:27:13
  that is, that's the CrossFit of the cheats.
• 1:27:16
  She's going to find a way to win and I've got not much money
• 1:27:22
  left. You don't.
• 1:27:23
  You've got £30. And one more section after this,
• 1:27:28
  Yeah. And it's injury, propensity to
• 1:27:30
  injury it is. I'm going to take you.
• 1:27:32
  I'm going to spend £20 only. £20 which leaves you £20 injury
• 1:27:37
  likelihood 30 lbs LeBron James OK, 20 lbs TA Claire Toomey OK
• 1:27:44
  and then for £10. Well, I can't take either of
• 1:27:45
  those. I've only got a tenner left.
• 1:27:47
  I thought you spent 20 on the last one.
• 1:27:49
  Didn't you have £40 left? Did I?
• 1:27:52
  No, you didn't, no. Yeah.
• 1:27:53
  So unfortunately, you're left with the injury prophecy of Jack
• 1:27:57
  Wiltshire, Derrick Rose and yourself.
• 1:28:01
  That's it. Couldn't be worse.
• 1:28:03
  So I'm not doing any of these events.
• 1:28:05
  You'll turn up to one or two. Oh no.
• 1:28:09
  So to to summarize. I've got an incredible athlete.
• 1:28:12
  You haven't, just you. Just can't do anything.
• 1:28:15
  So you've got David Beckham's legs, you've got Charlie
• 1:28:18
  Bottle's engine, you have Elie Kopchogi's speed, you have the
• 1:28:22
  upper body of Luke Littler, you have the mindset of me and you
• 1:28:27
  have the injury likelihood of yourself.
• 1:28:31
  What a shame. It's it was going so well.
• 1:28:34
  It's like owning a Bugatti and not only the key, I can't start
• 1:28:38
  it. Yeah, you could have had Usain
• 1:28:41
  Bolt or Randy Murray's speed and you could have at.
• 1:28:42
  Least Yeah, yeah, I would say tears.
• 1:28:45
  Tears solid. Yeah, she just gets.
• 1:28:47
  Pregnant a lot. There you go.
• 1:28:48
  I mean, there's no there's no real decider if you're a winner
• 1:28:51
  or a loser there. I imagine someone listening did
• 1:28:53
  better if if you think you got the perfect athlete out all
• 1:28:56
  those options genuinely, whether you're on Spotify because you
• 1:28:59
  can do that as well, or YouTube, drop a comment or send us a
• 1:29:02
  measure on Instagram because I would love to see the athletes
• 1:29:04
  that you guys built and maybe we can discuss those or maybe
• 1:29:07
  they'll even provoke more people for us to talk about their
• 1:29:09
  training programs. I for one would love to see
• 1:29:12
  Eddie Hall with Keely Hodgkinson's Intensity is an
• 1:29:16
  Engine with Ellie Kachogi speaking Oh my God and the upper
• 1:29:20
  body of Luke Litter. As well, I think we should break
• 1:29:22
  down Luke's training plan. I actually have seen it.
• 1:29:26
  Have you? I know it.
• 1:29:27
  Oh, this is pretty wild. It's a lot of gaming.
• 1:29:29
  It's it's a lot of gaming. Darts.
• 1:29:31
  Yeah, yeah. But yeah, guys, if you haven't
• 1:29:34
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• 1:29:37
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• 1:29:38
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• 1:29:40
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• 1:29:50
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• 1:30:00
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• 1:30:03
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• 1:30:05
  Amazing. We will see you guys in the next
• 1:30:07
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