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Court Docs Signal Charges for Anna Kepner's 16-Year-Old Stepbrother May Be Coming Soon · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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The life of a beautiful 18 year old Florida girl was taken
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earlier this month, of all places, on a Carnival cruise
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line while she was cruising the Caribbean with her family.
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This has been a lot of stuff has been swirling around online
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about this case, but now we're actually starting to get some
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documentation on it and we're going to dig into it tonight.
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This video contains mature themes and discussions intended
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only for adult audiences. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Hello there, my friend, and welcome back to another true
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crime conversation with me. My name is Gavin Fish and on my
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channel we just love cutting through the fluff and the
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sensationalism and true crime. We like to cut right to the
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nitty gritty. We like documents, we like good,
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solid reporting and that's what we're going to get into tonight.
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Before we do. Hey, over in the live chat, tell
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me where you are viewing from. I don't know.
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I just get a kick out of it. I know my analytics, my
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analytics tell me where where everybody views from, but I just
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I don't know, I just like it. Plus it gets it gets the live
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chat going and as and we pride ourselves around here with
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having the very, very best live chat in all of true crime.
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Now, of course, tonight we are talking about the death of Anna
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Kepner again, an 18 year old teenager, a senior in high
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school from the, you know, the space side of Florida.
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And her body was, was found in her room.
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And we're going to get into some of those some of those details
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which are just grisly and gruesome.
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And I'm, I just feel so sorry. I feel so sorry for this poor
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girl for the last moments of her life, which must have just been
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violent and terrifying and horrifying.
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And I think, I think all of us can can feel that right?
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Oh, just just must have been horrifying.
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It kind of seems like her life was kind of tough going into the
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last day of her life. It does seem like she was a good
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kid that was trying to overcome some some hardships.
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But before we really get into that, I want to make a couple of
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The second thing that I want to tell you about is I'm actually
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making a change here at the channel on Speaking of analytics
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on December 1st, I think it'll be December 1st.
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I should, should have looked at a yeah, December 1st, which is a
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Monday, perfect, which is a Monday.
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The 1st Monday of December, we are going to be changing our
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normally scheduled time for our live streams.
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It is going to move forward a little bit.
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Rather than starting at 7:30, it is going to start at 6:00 PM.
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Now let me tell you why I'm making this change.
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Number one, I kind of have to miss out on the nightly routine
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of getting the kiddos ready for bed and all that stuff.
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My wife has to do all the heavy lifting there because we are
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But after the show ends, I've got a whole bunch more work to
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do. So moving it forward is going to
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help me and my family life a lot, for which I thank you all.
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Thank you #2 In looking at my analytics, it tells me what
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shows people like to watch. Like if I look at my audience
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here, it tells me what shows, what channels people like to
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watch. And not surprisingly, you know
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what the top, let's say the top 4, Brian and Grizzly Surviving
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the Survivor and a newcomer to my audience.
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Well, at least to me it's not he's not a newcomer is Courtroom
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Confidential. And I talked with both Joel at
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Surviving the Survivor and Joshua Ritter over at Courtroom
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Confidential. The Ritter's usually start about
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8:00 PM Eastern and Joel starts about 7:00 PM Eastern.
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And so I'm going to start at 6:00 PM Eastern so that all
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y'all that want to see our live streams just boom, boom, boom.
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You can do it. You don't have to choose between
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me and Joel anymore. So that is why I am doing that.
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And I hope that that is something that you guys will be
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OK with. So yes, Scotch mom asks. 6
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Eastern. Yes, yes, yes.
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It is indeed going to be 6 Eastern.
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What is Gavin is drowning. I am I am drowning I am drowning
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in the tank. I can't I can't keep up.
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Pat did such a good job of of keeping the discussions going
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and alive and awesome and without her.
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I'm floundering yes, so that's that's those are my 2
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announcements 1 I really need help in the fish tank and two
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going to be moving to 6:00 PM Eastern starting December 1st.
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OK, let's see where all y'all's from all's y'all's let's see
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watching from Portland OR Jacksonville, FL Newcastle,
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Australia. Now that is a name in Australia
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that I believe actually exists. Irvine, CA down in the OC
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Mountain Home AR Sun City, CA Kansas City, MO Boston, MA
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Leander, TX. I hope I said that correctly.
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Norton, VA. Suburbs of Sacramento.
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Beni 916. I was raised in the suburbs of
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Sacramento. All of our children were born in
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the suburbs of Sacramento. My wife was born and raised in
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the suburbs of Sacramento. So welcome to Benny.
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Good to see a fellow Sacramentan there Colorado in the house.
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Dina Lucas says you guys aren't far from each other.
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That's pretty cool. LB Hammer time is in a bar in
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Indiana while her husband plays poker or his husband.
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I can't her looks like anything else.
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Let's see. Yeah I wanted to make sure North
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Carolina in the house money of course from Virginia in the
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house. Good to see you all OK and then
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I skipped over a couple of comments.
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Shay 7036 says that she hopes that we had a fantastic
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anniversary. We we did have a very happy
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anniversary. And you know what was what was
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fun? We went to get some Thai
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cuisine, which my wife has never had.
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She had, I don't know, I, I eat a lot of Asian food.
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I love Asian food. I love Chinese food.
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I love with Japanese food. I love teriyaki.
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I love Vietnamese food. I love pho.
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I love, I, I love it all. I love Thai, Thai food.
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Kimberly is a little more apprehensive about Asian
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cuisine, and so she's never done Thai, but she, well, it was my
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choice because this date night this week was my choice.
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And so I said, I know you're going to love it.
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She, she kept thinking we're going to get Chinese food she
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doesn't want. She doesn't like Chinese food.
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It's, you know, had I known that before we got married, I would
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have second guessed. I would have gone through with
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it and it would have been fine. There were two things Kimberly
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does not like Chinese food and she gets motion sick.
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And so when I took her on our first date and we went flying,
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that did not go well. Yeah.
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Anyway, we had a very happy anniversary and I also want to
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say a happy belated anniversary to my friends Matt and Stacy
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back in Sacramento who have who share our anniversary.
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November 19th. They were celebrating big #20
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and I am very, very happy for them and love them deeply.
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So I wanted to give that. Let's see, we got Saginaw MI
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Michigan in the House. I missed that, missed that.
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Rose red international waters. Which country prosecutes United
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States. This one will be a federal case.
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OK All right. So we have gone through all of
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we've done the intro, we've done the announcements.
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What comes next? What do we do next?
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Everybody, you know, let's get to headlines, true crime
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headlines, POW, OK, true crime headlines.
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There a couple things that I wanted to catch us up on because
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these are cases that we have been following.
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Tomorrow night, by the way, which is Friday night, November
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21st, we will be doing our weekly wrap up, our roundup, our
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recap, whatever we call it. So we'll be talking about a lot
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of these cases in detail, but just a couple of updates here.
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Number one, whoever killed and dismembered Celeste Rivas
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Hernandez likely had help. This comes to us from KTLA.
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Rising R&B star David is being viewed viewed as a suspect in
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the death of a 14 year old girl whose body was found dismembered
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in a vehicle linked to the singer, law enforcement
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confirmed to KTLA. But reporting from TMZ indicates
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that he might not be the only person on police radar.
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TMZ was the first to report that the 20 year old artist, whose
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real name is David Anthony Burke, was being views viewed as
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a suspect in the death of Celeste, whose body was found in
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the front trunk of the Tesla. The outlet also reports, citing
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law enforcement sources, that police are looking into the
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possibility that someone, Burke or another killer may have had
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accomplices who helped dispose of Rivas's body.
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And you can you, I mean, we're going to talk about this
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tomorrow. But one of the things that has
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also come up is the idea that she probably was dead in the
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spring. She was last seen in April, from
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the reporting that I have read. So she may have been in that car
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from April or May all the way till early September when her
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body was recovered. So we've got David as a suspect,
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we possibly there he had accomplices and well, allegedly,
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and she may have been in that car for so, so, so, so, so long.
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So that's a quick headline there.
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Now. Headline #2 since we're
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following it, the Brian Walsh case, full jury has been seated
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in Brian Walsh's murder. This is brought to us by Boston
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25 News staff, Dateline, Dedham, Mass.
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A full jury has been selected in the murder trial of Brian Walsh,
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a South Shore man who was accused of killing his wife.
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Following three days of jury selection, a full set of jurors
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has now been seated. This is actually surprising to
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me because Judge I How do we say her name, Frieri or something
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like that I can't remember, indicated in the hearing that it
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might take as long as two weeks, but nay, after three days of
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jury selection, they have found a jury.
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I guess that voidir doesn't all wasn't all that difficult after
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all. Continuing the story On the
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first day of jury selection, nine of the 16 jurors needed for
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the trial were seated. As of Wednesday afternoon, 12
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jurors had been seated. This.
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The proceedings will now focus on whether Wash Walsh is guilty
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of murder. Walsh is charged in the murder
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of his missing wife, Anna. I can bring up a photo of her
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right here over New Year's 2023. Her body has never been found.
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Course, you guys remember that he pleaded guilty to two of the
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three counts. One was having to do with the
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improper disposal of human remains and the other was lying
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to her misleading police. He will, according to Josh
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Ritter anyway. You know, I mean, he's he's
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looking about probably about 10 years in prison just for those.
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That's what I think anyway. I can't.
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I think Josh said that, but now I'm second guessing.
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I don't want to attribute to him something that he didn't say.
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But yeah, I mean, he's already going to prison for a good long
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time. Now it's a matter of will it be
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life and we don't know. Testimony is expected to begin
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on December 1st, according to 25 or Boston 25.
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All right, next thing that we have missed because of my
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schedule with our anniversary, I wanted to bring you guys up to
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date on real quick is that Kada Scott's family has launched a
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foundation on what would have been her 24th birthday, which
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was 2 days ago. Dateline Philly.
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This is coming to us from six ABC WPVI, the ABC affiliate in
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Philadelphia, as prosecutors continue to lay the groundwork
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for a case against a man accused of killing Kada Scott.
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Let's, let's bring up photo of Kayla here.
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Her family's left to pick up the pieces.
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Tuesday would have been Scott's 24th birthday.
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Oh, Oh my goodness. Now that was.
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Do you guys remember? I, I don't know.
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I would imagine based on my analytics and the fact that I
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pull with old ladies for some reason, always have.
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I just, I just have lots of pull with old ladies.
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Anyway, I would imagine that all of you are of a certain age that
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is equal to or similar to mine. So do you remember when you were
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24 years old? 2324 I got engaged to my snuggly
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Bear, my sweetie pie, my one and only Kimberly Fish, the former
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Kimberly Compton when we were 23 and we were married just a month
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after we both turned 24. Less than a month.
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That was more for me, less for her.
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For like 25 glorious days I'm married to a younger woman and
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then she catches up. But think about Kada Scott and
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what she could be doing with her young life full of possibilities
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ahead of her, with what could perhaps just be a life of just
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wonder and beauty for her and all around her and her.
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Her life was cut down with a bullet to the head, police
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believe, done by this man Keon King.
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But can you just imagine 23 guys too, too, too early.
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It happens as the family's still trying.
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Oh, sorry. Tuesday would have been her 24th
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birthday. Her family is marking the day by
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launching a foundation in her honor, continues the article.
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It happens as the family's still trying to make sense of the
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tragedy. Quote in the middle of the night
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thinking about her. Yeah, it's been tough, said
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Kevin Scott, Kada's father. To be honest, I'm not good.
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I'm not good. My daughter's not here anymore.
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You know, I got a letter to an e-mail today from my dad's baby
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sister, Maya Kath, who is like 92,000 different kinds of
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awesome. She is the best.
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And one of the things that she's really good at is
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correspondence. She takes after her mother, my
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grandmother. She's a very good correspondent
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and while we live on and have always lived in on different
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sides of the country, I might have that might be the closest
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relationship I have with any of my aunts and uncles.
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I just love her to death. Anyway, she was responding to
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kind of how I'd I've been feeling lately.
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Very nostalgic, very melancholy, to be honest.
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You know, just you guys know, but talk to me.
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She talked to me in that letter about what was referred to as
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his melancholia, him being Abraham Lincoln.
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I did not know that Abraham Lincoln was a was a depressed
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person. He had had lots of tragedy in
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his life. Of course, his life ended
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tragically as well. Very similar to Miss Scott's and
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then, you know, he lost friends. He lost, he just, he was prone
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to what he called melancholia. I am going to, I'm, I'm going to
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actually get a, get a biography. I'd love to read it.
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My dad has a little signed Abraham Lincoln autobiography.
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That book is about the size of my phone and maybe about that
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thick. And it's an autobiography of
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Abraham Lincoln signed by Abraham Lincoln.
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He has that in his collection. Maybe I would, maybe I would
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start by borrowing that. No, not start.
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I'm going to be back in California next year.
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Maybe I'll just read it then. But anyway, Kay, to Scott's dad,
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He's not OK. And it's OK to not be OK,
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especially in light of the fact that his daughter was so
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violently taken from him. So I pray for this family and
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hopefully we can make a difference by keeping her name
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alive, keeping her name out there.
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I'm looking forward to seeing what the Foundation does.
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I don't think, oh, here it is, here it is.
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The Kada Scott Foundation will provide scholarships, grants and
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mentors for girls who have oh, this is beautiful.
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The Kada Scott Foundation will provide scholarships, grants,
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and mentors for girls who have the same type of positivity and
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ambition Kada had before she became the victim of a heinous
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crime. That is beautiful because
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there's nothing in this world that we want to support more
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than positivity and ambition and little girls, right?
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That's a that is a terrific mission for the Kada Scott
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Foundation. I congratulate them.
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I hope that I might be able to help the foundation.
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Let's see if it has any. Kada Scott's family now wants to
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grow the legacy their daughter started.
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It's 1 based on creativity, ambition and kindness.
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Those are the three words written on a hoodie that Kevin
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Scott designed in honor of his daughter.
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The hoodie also features a Letterman style K representing
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Kata's name. Does it have a link?
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Yeah. OK.
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The Kata Scott Foundation will be launching soon.
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So we'll, we're going to keep an eye on that guys.
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And I that's I just, I congratulate that family.
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That is such a difficult situation to be in and they are
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handling it with grace and standing as shining beacons of
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what we all should want to be in so many different ways.
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So thank you very much. Scott Found Scott Family and the
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Foundation for setting that example for the rest of us.
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OK, last headline comes to us from Crime Cod.
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Connecticut police charged 3 after remains of 12 year old
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girl found stuffed into plastic bin.
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This is from Kate Byrd top line Court records detail starvation
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and restraint before the girl's death.
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Suspects held on multi $1,000,000 bonds.
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Let's zoom up so you guys can see this.
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Here are three winners. Man, that guy Jonathan Anita, he
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got, he got into a fight, didn't he?
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OK. New Britain, CT A 12 year old
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Connecticut girl died from abuse and starvation, and authorities
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found her remains in a plastic container.
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Her mother, aunt and the mother's former boyfriend now
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face murder charges. Why can't we just take care of
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one another? Oh my goodness.
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Authorities determined that remains found in a plastic bin
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at an abandoned house belonged to Jacqueline Mimi Torres
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Garcia, dead for nearly a year. Police arrested Carla Garcia,
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Jacqueline Garcia and Jonathan JoJo Nanita soon after.
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In mid-october, the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner ruled
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the child's cause of death as fatal child abuse with
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starvation. The manner of death was ruled a
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homicide. Oh my goodness.
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Investigators believe the girl died in the fall of 2024 when
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her family lived in Farmington. The young girl was never
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reported missing. 12 years old, 12 years old.
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I've got a 12 year old. We just, we just ordered glasses
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for him. And I love those little things,
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guys. I love those little things,
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those little like, I don't know, just everyday tasks that you
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have to do for, for and with your children or because of your
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children. I just love.
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And this little girl was like in the middle of it.
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Ah. The girl weighed only 26 to 27
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lbs at the time of her death, according to an affidavit
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reviewed by PEOPLE. She was often restrained with
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zip ties, police allege. Well, let's get these photos in
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front of everybody. Can you believe that?
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We'll keep an eye on it. You know, I'm sorry.
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That one brought me down. I need some, like, transition
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music. I got to prepare some transition
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music. Do I?
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Do I have anything? Hang on, do I have anything that
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we could use? Let's see No, no, not that one.
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I probably blew out your eardrums on that.
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Sorry. I need.
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I just needed transition music. That what?
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Wow, wow. I should have ended with the K
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to Scott Foundation thing. Goodness sake.
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All right, those are our headlines.
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Let's get out of our system. True crime headlines.
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All right? OK, let's see if you guys have
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anything that you want to say to me, Matthew.
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Matthew says, I know you haven't talked about Anna's case yet.
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I've always wanted to go on to cruise, but I have a great fear
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of heights and I fear deep waters.
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Maybe a cruise is not for you. However, I will say this, I've
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only been on one. It was our honeymoon and it was
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one of those really, really short, like 3 or 4 day cruises
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from Los Angeles down to like Ensenada, Mexico and back.
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We were young, we were broke, it was perfect, we loved it.
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Now, I'm not one that is fearful of heights or of deep water.
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However, like I never felt, never never felt particularly
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high nor well, it was our honeymoon.
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We were indoors most of the time.
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That is funny, but so many fun things to do on a cruise.
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Don't let this get you down. Definitely, definitely,
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definitely do that. If that's something you want to
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do. You can overcome your fears.
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OK, let's and remember, if you want to get my attention in the
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in the live chat, just put GF in your comment.
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OK, let's turn our attention now.
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Where do we want? Where do I want to start with
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this? Let's let's bring up Anna's
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photo here and I think the best place to start.
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Yeah, let I think the best place to place to start is over here
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on Acrobat with this story from yesterday.
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This is ABC News, OK, Now basically, well, it'll, it'll
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tell us. I, I don't want to give you guys
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a rundown of the case when this is going to give us the rundown,
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OK. And actually, you know what I
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think? Let me mute this tab.
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The family of an 18 year old girl.
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This is an article. If I bring this one up, this one
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is an article from the day after.
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OK, So what is this, the 9th? The family of 18 year old Anna
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Kepner, who was reported dead while aboard the Carnival
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Horizon cruise ship on Saturday, says they will remember her as a
29:06
happy, bubbly, straight A student with a bright future
29:10
ahead. Anna, who was set to graduate
29:12
from high school in May, was traveling aboard the ship on a
29:15
route from Miami to the Caribbean when she died.
29:19
Details surrounding her death have not been released.
29:22
The ship returned to Miami on Saturday, where the FBI has
29:25
since opened an investigation into her death.
29:30
Quote when she walked in the room, she would light it up, her
29:32
family told ABC News. If you were sad, she'd make you
29:35
laugh. She would joke around and be the
29:37
funniest little person in school.
29:40
So there wasn't much information at this point, but as of this
29:46
next article, there's a bit more and let's get into it.
29:50
A new twist as FBI investigates teen's death on crew.
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OK, that's, I don't know, I think that was the photo
30:02
caption. OK.
30:03
Anna Kepner, a teen who died aboard a Carnival Horizon cruise
30:07
ship earlier this month, was found dead under a bed, wrapped
30:10
in a blanket and covered by life vests, according to a security
30:14
source briefed on the investigation.
30:16
Guys, why would you stuff her under a bed, wrap her in a
30:22
blanket and cover her with life vests unless you wanted to hide
30:26
the fact that she was dead? Now that's like, that's obvious
30:33
Ville here, right? Like, I'm Captain Obvious here
30:36
for sure, but it again, this goes to consciousness of guilt,
30:43
right? If if there was an accidental
30:46
death, if it was an accident, I don't think the perpetrator
30:53
would have gone to the trouble of trying to hide it.
30:55
Hiding a body means consciousness of guilt, plain
31:02
and simple. The 18 year old cheerleader from
31:05
Titusville, FL was reported dead while aboard at the Carnival
31:08
Horizon cruise ship on November 8th.
31:11
The Miami-Dade Medical Examiner is not specified A cause or
31:14
manner of death. This was written yesterday and
31:20
I've been looking I, I have not seen a cause or manner yet, but
31:24
if you guys have let me know. Among the avenues investigators
31:28
are looking at is whether there might have been some sort of
31:30
altercation with her stepbrother prior to her death, a source
31:34
told ABC News. Investigators are also looking
31:38
at other possibilities, including a medical emergency or
31:41
an overdose, The the source said.
31:44
Yeah, if there's an overdose, why hide the body?
31:49
Well, maybe you're the person who delivered the drugs.
31:55
Well, no, When toxicology comes back, I guess more about that.
31:58
Investigators are pouring over ship security records, including
32:02
security camera footage and access card swipes to get a
32:05
picture of who was where at the various times prior to her
32:08
death, the source said, A court filing in an unrelated family
32:12
matter. We're going to get into this.
32:15
Notice Kepner's step sidling could face charges.
32:18
Now. I want to just address something
32:21
right now. This is a 16 year old boy.
32:25
I am not going to identify him, not on purpose anyway, nor am I
32:29
going to show any photos of him. He's a juvenile.
32:32
We're going to, we're going to do the no pictures of juveniles
32:36
rule. We will, however, share photos
32:39
of our victim because we need to remember that this is not a case
32:44
like all our cases. This is not a case about the
32:47
perpetrator. It is a case about the victim.
32:50
OK. The filing said the FBI is
32:55
conducting an investigation arising out of the sudden death
32:57
of 18 year old Anna Kepner. Now, I want to thank one of my
33:01
volunteers for helping me find these documents.
33:06
These are the documents that are being referred to in that story.
33:12
And I let's see, did I bring? I don't think I did.
33:21
I had another story prepared, but I I think before we get into
33:26
these documents, maybe what we should do is head on over to a
33:30
couple of they're just a couple of like short one or two-minute
33:34
media reports that I want to show you.
33:37
This first one comes out of WESH Channel 2.
33:44
This this was reported today. All right, let's go ahead and
33:50
have a listen. Hopefully this won't blur your
33:52
eardrums. I didn't.
33:54
I didn't bump up the volume, so I'm sorry if you can't hear it
33:56
either. Here we go.
33:59
This morning we're now hearing from the biological mother of
34:02
Anna Kepner, the 18 year old who died on a cruise ship.
34:05
Court documents show Anna's stepbrother could be a suspect
34:08
in her death. And washes.
34:10
Bob Hazen is live in Titusville. Bob.
34:12
And we're going to get into those documents.
34:13
Obviously community will come together today to remember Anna.
34:19
That'll happen at 5:00 tonight here at the Grove Church in
34:23
Titusville. This is a place to end.
34:24
It went to youth group and there's a lot of people in this
34:27
community and really around the nation that are grieving her
34:30
loss. That includes her birth mom, who
34:32
talked to WESH 2 over the phone last night.
34:36
I found out through Google because I ended up Googling it
34:40
because all the information I went the only information I had
34:43
was my daughter was on a cruise. You know what, let me just pause
34:47
that for a second. I, I think this is a signal that
34:50
there is very like almost no indication and no communication
34:54
between and Anna's parents who are divorced or I don't know if
35:02
they're divorced, if they were ever married, but they are not
35:04
together, right? And I think she goes on to tell
35:08
us that she hasn't talked to Anna in like 2 years Now.
35:11
I'm probably reading between the lines on this, but This is why I
35:15
say a young girl, a young woman who had who had difficulties in
35:22
life. If you have parents that like,
35:25
if you have a parent you haven't spoken to in two years, you have
35:27
overcome some difficulty. Heather right there says she has
35:33
not heard from Anna's dad or the FBI since her daughter died.
35:37
And we stopped by the family's house yesterday.
35:39
They left in an SUV without stopping to talk.
35:42
We did see Anna's car parked on the grass outside.
35:46
Anna Kepner was a student at Temple Christian School in
35:49
Titusville. She was on a Carnival cruise
35:51
when she was found dead back on November 9th.
35:54
The FBI has not revealed anything about what might have
35:57
happened but court documents and her stepmom's divorce case.
36:00
Claims we're going to get. Into son so Anna's stepbrother
36:03
is a suspect in the death. The boy does not appear to be in
36:07
custody. Anna's birth mom lives in
36:09
Oklahoma now. She last saw her daughter two
36:11
years ago. She says Anna was a great girl
36:14
who never got into trouble. She always wanted to make people
36:17
laugh and she loved the water and we were constantly going to
36:21
the lakes here where I live so she can go swimming.
36:28
She is desperate for answers about what happened Anna and
36:31
today we expect we could get autopsy results from the medical
36:34
examiner that could explain how Anna died.
36:37
Tonight, though, is the time to remember the teen.
36:40
Her celebration of life happening at 5:00 here at the
36:43
Grove Church on Harrison St. in Titusville.
36:46
Her family asking that no one who comes wear black.
36:49
Instead wear bright colors in honor of Anna.
36:51
Her favorite color was blue, covering Brevard County Live in
36:55
Titusville. Bob Hazen W 2 News.
36:58
OK, so I I just want to show that that so that memorial would
37:03
have happened about would have started about three hours ago.
37:08
When whenever I hear a a parent, I I don't know, maybe maybe I'm
37:15
wrong about this and and I'm could I'm OK to be wrong.
37:18
Call me out if I am. It didn't sound particular, like
37:23
she was particularly grieving. And any time a parent will talk
37:27
to the news, I always kind of feel like, why are you talking
37:29
to the news? Don't talk to the news.
37:32
Like have have some dignity. And and I'm a person who goes
37:36
and talks to people. And sometimes, like, I can't
37:40
believe you're talking to me. But it doesn't seem to me like
37:45
there was a huge relationship between Anna and her mother.
37:51
Here is a here's a report from WKMG that I wanted to show you
38:00
guys. Let me let me bring it up.
38:02
This one is about two minutes long as well.
38:04
Let's let's have a watch. Anna Kepner's 16 year old
38:07
stepbrother quote, is a suspect in her death on a Carnival
38:11
cruise ship. That information is not coming
38:13
from law enforcement. It's coming from the 16 year
38:15
old's parents. Those parents were just in
38:17
court. Yeah, I I cannot believe in in a
38:21
matter of family disputes that it was a public hearing, but
38:27
check this out. If the court isn't aware that
38:30
apparently this has been made national news.
38:34
This online court hearing involving a child custody case
38:38
took place just hours before a memorial service honoring Anna
38:41
Kepner, who was found dead on a Carnival cruise ship.
38:45
The teen was joined on that cruise by her father, her
38:48
stepmother, and at least two of her stepmother's children from
38:52
another marriage, a nearly 9 year old daughter and 16 year
38:56
old son. Those two children were the
38:59
subject of this court hearing. Can I speak?
39:03
Chantelle Kepner, the children's mother and Anna Kepner's
39:06
stepmother. She's in a child custody dispute
39:09
with her ex-husband Thomas Hudson, seated on the right.
39:13
The former couple says their 16 year old son quote is a suspect
39:18
in his step sister's death. Well, your honor, it's our
39:22
understanding that because the cruise was in international
39:25
waters that the the young child, not the nine year old, but the
39:28
16 year old was allowed to to drink.
39:31
The teenagers were given their own room within which to stay.
39:38
Just a lot of circumstances that show that the the the mother in
39:42
this case was not exercising appropriate supervision over
39:47
over this child. I think that is the dumbest
39:50
argument. You know when we go to a hotel
39:52
as a family, we have separate rooms for our kids.
39:56
That's it's OK. Have you ever been on a cruise
39:59
ship, dude? Not a lot of room.
40:02
So yeah, having a separate room for the kids, that's not an
40:06
indication that that there's anything bad going on there.
40:10
And and they argue back, the other side argues back.
40:14
I'll let them argue for themselves.
40:16
Or the other child involved. Chantelle Kepner's attorney
40:20
disputes that. There are videotapes on the ship
40:23
that confirm that there was absolutely no drinking and that
40:28
there's and DCF investigated and saw that there was no alcohol in
40:32
Mom's house whatsoever. So I'm not sure where that's
40:36
coming from. There was number resolution to
40:39
the child custody dispute which will be handled at a future
40:42
court hearing. We did learn that 16 year old
40:44
stepbrother was taken to the hospital after the cruise for
40:48
undisclosed reasons. He is now living with a relative
40:51
on his mom's side of the family as the FBI investigation
40:55
continues. Mike Deforest, News 6.
40:58
OK, so that brings us back over here.
41:04
I need to be able to see what you guys are saying.
41:06
OK, This is these are the court documents that they are
41:09
referencing in in all of these reports that we've read and
41:12
watched tonight. This is them.
41:15
OK, they're very quick. We're going to make it very
41:17
quick. But this is a you know, a family
41:23
motion, family law emergency motion for temporary relief
41:27
comes now the petitioner Thomas Hudson.
41:30
This is the stepmom's ex-husband buying through his attorney,
41:35
moves the court for temporary relief on an emergency basis and
41:39
has grounds Therefore does state there are two remaining minor
41:43
children that are subject to the action.
41:45
To wit, TH born in 2009 and BH, born in 2016.
41:50
The oldest child of the party, so they had three, is an 18 year
41:54
old. Let's see, the party's 16 year
41:59
old child has been respond, has been residing with a respondent.
42:03
The respondent has denied the petitioners time sharing with
42:06
the remaining minor children. The respondent took the
42:08
remaining minor children on a cruise with the stepchild of her
42:12
paramour, her husband. I'm not sure if they're married
42:18
or not. A paramour indicates that they
42:20
are unmarried. But they do talk about like
42:22
stepmom, stepdad, right? The 16 year old child is now a
42:26
suspect. You see that I got it
42:28
highlighted here. The 16 year old child is now a
42:31
suspect in the death of the stepchild, Anna Kepner during
42:40
the cruise while released from custody, the 16 year old child.
42:46
So this would be TH is residing with a third party and then it
42:51
goes through a couple of other things.
42:53
Line item number 17, The 16 year old's future has been put in
42:57
jeopardy because of the choices made by the respondent.
43:01
That to me indicates that maybe stepmom here is somehow
43:09
involved. Do they know something?
43:12
The 16 year old's future has been put in jeopardy because of
43:14
choices made by the respondent. Are they talking about just
43:19
something as simple as the choice to go on a cruise?
43:22
Or is it something like, no, she has she has something to do with
43:27
this And there is there is other there are other parts I should
43:33
Gavin stop. There is another part to this
43:36
that kind of feels like she also is saying that I may have had a
43:43
a part in this. We'll get to it.
43:46
OK. And I that that's it where for
43:49
blah, blah, blah, I would like, I would like the job.
43:52
OK. So that was filed, if we go up
43:55
here, that was filed on the 17th at 1:54 PM the same day at 4:39
44:00
PM, there's an emergency motion for continuance of hearing on
44:05
petitioners, motion for contempt and enforcement.
44:08
And this is filed by the stepmom, Chantelle Hudson.
44:13
Right Now comes the respondent. Actually, if her name is
44:17
Chantelle Hudson, I, I know that we live in a modern world, but
44:22
that might be a clue also that she and Anna Kepner's dad are
44:27
not married. But OK, comes now.
44:30
The respondent Chantelle Hudson, by and through the undersigned
44:33
Council, hereby files this motion for, you know, a
44:39
continuance of the hearing which is set for December 17th to be
44:44
rescheduled and as grounds therefore would state as
44:46
follows. An extremely sensitive and
44:50
severe circumstance has arisen wherein the respondent mother
44:55
will not be able to testify at the hearing at this time.
44:58
Currently, there's an investigation being conducted by
45:01
the Federal Bureau of Investigation arising out of the
45:04
sudden death of 18 year old Anna Kepner who was found deceased on
45:09
November 9th, 2025 on a Carnival cruise.
45:13
She died on the eighth. They believe at least she went
45:18
missing on the 8th. Miss Anna Kepner, the deceased
45:21
is the daughter of the respondents Paramore and the
45:24
respondent and the minor child of this instant action were all
45:28
on the cruise ship together. The Respondent has been advised
45:33
through discussions with FBI investigators and her attorneys
45:37
that a criminal case may be initiated against one of the
45:40
minor children of this instant action.
45:43
The respondents privilege against self incrimination.
45:50
Self incrimination must be invoked pursuant to Florida
45:56
Constitutional Constitution Article 1, subsection 9.
46:00
No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property
46:03
without due process of law, or be twice put in jeopardy for the
46:07
same offense or be compelled and any criminal matter to be a
46:11
witness against one's self. I wish I had an attorney on as a
46:17
guest today to kind of figure that out because is it TH that
46:23
is the suspect here or is it Chantelle who is the suspect
46:26
here? I can't tell based on this, any
46:30
testimony the respondent may give you, the written or oral,
46:33
could be prejudicial to her or her adolescent child.
46:36
Now this is where it kind of gets a little more Gray for me.
46:40
Prejudicial to her or her adolescent child.
46:43
Well, I kind of feel like the Fifth Amendment here and the
46:51
Florida Constitution, Article 1 subsection 9 kind of really only
46:57
applies to self incrimination, not incrimination of another.
47:01
You know what I mean? Wherefore blah blah, blah, blah
47:06
blah. Certificate of service.
47:07
OK then. So that was again 4:39 PM on the
47:12
17th, on the 18th day before yesterday at 1036 PMI don't know
47:18
why that there's a mother's response to father's emergency
47:23
motion for temporary relief comes now.
47:25
The respondent Chantelle Hudson hereby states blah blah blah
47:34
there are in fact 2 minor children of the parties, to wit,
47:37
TH a male child born in 2009 and BHA male, a female child born in
47:41
2016. TH we believe is the suspect,
47:46
the 3rd and eldest charge child is of different age, blah blah
47:49
blah. And she's saying, you know,
47:53
there was no altercation that he said there was, there was no DV,
47:58
nothing like that. Let's skip ahead, OK?
48:01
It is true that there is an open investigation regarding the
48:04
death of the biological daughter of the stepfather.
48:07
Now they're saying stepfather not and they're misspelling it
48:11
too, but they're not saying Paramore.
48:13
And and then it says specifically, and TH is a
48:16
suspect regarding this death, which occurred recently on a
48:20
cruise ship. With regard to the minor child
48:23
TH, the party signed a stipulation on or about November
48:26
17th that the minor child TH will be living because he the
48:30
the father was arguing that he shouldn't be living with
48:34
somebody else, but he apparently stipulated to it.
48:38
So THI guess the long and short of it is residing with another
48:43
family member. And I don't think, Oh yeah, it
48:48
is certainly not in the best interests of TH that any
48:51
statements regarding the matter that is the subject of the open
48:54
investigation be discussed at a civil court proceeding.
48:58
And while I agree with that it could just be sealed, all this
49:04
I, I don't know why this public anyway?
49:06
I don't get it. Why is this public anyway?
49:12
In the meantime, we've got a 16 year old who is a a suspect,
49:20
let's say in the murder. We've got a murdered 18 year
49:24
old, this beautiful young thing here with her whole life ahead
49:27
of her and and we've got more questions and answers.
49:32
I think what we're really waiting on right now is
49:33
toxicology, which could take a long time.
49:38
Let's quickly because we will. I'm trying really hard to keep
49:41
things to an hour. I'm so long winded.
49:44
Let's just quickly see if there's anything content.
49:50
Angel 123 says because all family law stuff is public if
49:54
the couple is married, but they're not married, they're
49:59
divorced. Yeah.
50:02
I I don't know. Yeah.
50:07
And if the couple is married, it's public.
50:09
If the couple is not married, it's private.
50:11
Go figure. Well, they're not married.
50:14
So I don't. I don't know why.
50:16
I don't know why. Anything else you guys are
50:19
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fanatic for that long. Matthew says here in the last
51:03
few years on the news, someone has either gone missing or found
51:05
on the ship at least two a year. Yeah.
51:10
OK. I think that's about it that you
51:13
guys are saying. So let's do our final little
51:17
segment of the night. You guys know what time it is.
51:21
It's time for three questions. It's. 3.
51:25
Questions with Gavin Fish POW All right, guys, I came up with
51:33
a way to actually have our questions up on the screen.
51:37
It wasn't all that difficult. It's not like I should be given
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bronze medal, but we've got three questions.
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Again, three questions with Gavin Fish.
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Just e-mail it to Three Questions at Gavin Fish.
52:01
First question, what's the smell that instantly unlocks a memory
52:04
for you? This is easy.
52:07
It's crayons, and I think a lot of people have that thing right.
52:11
Crayons are such a powerful, powerful smell and it unlocks 2
52:18
memories for me, Both of them having to do with the houses of
52:22
my grandparents, my dad's mom, my grandpa and grandma.
52:29
They had a home with a basement, and in that basement there was a
52:35
whole area that was just all coloring books.
52:39
And Grandma's rule was we were not to take any pages out of the
52:43
books because she'd like to go see what we colored.
52:46
At least that's what she said. And so we would go down and
52:50
there were like stacks of books. And sometimes it would be
52:54
difficult to find anything that hadn't been colored because
52:59
let's see, how many cousins do I have 3?
53:12
I think it's like 24 on that side Anyway, I'm, I'm probably
53:16
getting that wrong. But anyway, sometimes it was
53:21
hard to find a page that hadn't been colored, but we would find
53:24
one that we liked and we would sit there in the basement kind
53:27
of by the fire and we would color and the the smell of
53:33
Crayola would waft around. Also in my mom's parents house,
53:38
my grandparents on that side they had in their home, they had
53:43
this little like breezeway. It was a hallway, I guess.
53:47
But when you get off of the, it wasn't like a long hallway.
53:50
It was just a square room and it had a door on all four sides of
53:54
it. So you could open the door to
53:57
get into this little hallway. And then on one side was a
53:59
bedroom. On another side was the laundry
54:02
room. Through the laundry room was my
54:03
grandparents bedroom, and then in front of you was the
54:08
bathroom. But this little room, which is
54:09
probably only like 5 feet square, 6 feet by 6 feet,
54:14
something like that, that also had toys, coloring books,
54:18
crayons. And so when I smell crayons, I
54:22
think of my grandmother's. I don't know why I don't think
54:26
of my grandfather's. Yeah, it's, it's my grandma's.
54:31
Yeah, question #2 if you could rename yourself with no social
54:36
consequences, what name would you pick?
54:37
Now listen, you, whoever wrote this in which I should, I should
54:44
look and see, but it doesn't matter.
54:47
You have hit a hot button in my life, OK?
54:52
And let me tell you why my parents.
54:56
Now you guys know that I think I won the family lottery when I
55:00
was born. I have the best parents.
55:03
I have the best brothers. I have the best sisters.
55:06
Good family, love them all. But my parents made a mistake.
55:11
They made a huge mistake with me and this is the mistake that
55:14
they made. It has to do with my name.
55:18
My name is not Gavin Fish. My name is John Fish.
55:23
That is my name. My middle name is Gavin.
55:27
So John Gavin Fish, in fact, I'm Captain Nostalgia recently.
55:32
So this is my high school yearbook.
55:37
I am probably the only person in my yearbook now.
55:42
Luckily I was on the yearbook staff.
55:46
But look, let's bring this up. Where are we?
55:54
There we are right here. I have a first initial, people.
55:59
Let's see if you can see my little There I am right there.
56:02
OK, I have a first initial. My name is John Gavin Fish not.
56:10
And here's why. My parents wanted to name one of
56:15
their sons after my dad, which is terrific.
56:19
I've got a great dad. I'm happy to be named after my
56:21
dad. But they didn't.
56:25
But they didn't want to call me his name.
56:26
They didn't want a junior, which is fine.
56:30
So they named me John Gavin Fish with the full intention from the
56:36
moment I was born that they would call me Gavin.
56:38
And that is just mean. It's mean for my entire life.
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I have to explain to everyone, people at the bank, I don't
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know, job interviews, everything that might don't call me John.
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My name is Gavin and I've like wanted so bad to have like a
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credit card that has my actual name on it, but it doesn't.
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It doesn't. It's you can't see it says John
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G Fish. It's not my name.
57:17
So if I could rename myself with no social, no, there would be
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social consequences. My social I would be more
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socially. I don't know.
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I get, I don't know. I I would be happier to rename
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me Gavin Johnfish. Now, you may be asking yourself,
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Gavin, why don't you just go and change your name?
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I'll tell you why. Because my parents gave me this
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name and I don't want to break my mom's heart.
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So that is, that's my little diatribe on my name.
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OK, third question. What's something you've learned
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to appreciate as you've only as you've gotten older, What's
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something I've learned to appreciate?
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You know, this isn't, this is an easy, this might be the easy way
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out, but I deeply appreciate the finiteness of life, the
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shortness of time and the the fact that opportunities go away.
58:28
I think you probably can sympathize with me or empathize
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with me when I say that as a kid, like that picture that I
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just showed you of my senior year of high school.
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I just thought that life went on forever.
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I was immortal and it just didn't matter what I did.
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What if I was wasting my time or using it for something for good?
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It didn't matter because I had all the time in the world.
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And now I know that I don't. I know that I don't.
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So those are my answers to the three questions.
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Thank you very much for sending them in.
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It's. 3. Questions.
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All right before we go. I think we're right in an hour.
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Autumn, not autumn Mooney. Is it Mooney or Moon?
59:28
Yeah, it's Mooney, says. What did you end up making doing
59:31
for Kimberly? I haven't delivered it to her
59:34
yet, so I'm not going to say, but it ended up being a little
59:39
bit bigger of a project than I I had time for.
59:42
Speaking of time, right? So I haven't haven't given it to
59:46
her yet. Thank you content Angel. 26
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years with my snuggly bear. My one and only Kristen Nelson
59:53
says how about rubber cement in those Mr. Sketch scented
59:56
markers? Oh yes, those ones will bring it
59:59
in G smile. Sarah says my grandparents had a
1:00:03
tin with crayons and a stack of coloring books.
1:00:06
What a great memory you brought to mind.
1:00:08
I am so glad for Yeah, those are those are amazing.
1:00:14
Yeah, that smell of. Rubber cement.
1:00:17
Yeah. Arts and crafts with grandma.
1:00:20
With grandma's is always fun. All right, guys, So that is the
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