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17. Alix Earle, the Worst Celebrity Interview Ever & Are Nepo Babies Misunderstood? (with Owen Petty) · No Country For Hot Girls

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SPEAKER_03: Hello.
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SPEAKER_03: We can't come to the phone right now.
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SPEAKER_03: Because we have better things to do.
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SPEAKER_05: Hello.
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SPEAKER_00: Hi there.
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SPEAKER_03: So do you want to introduce yourself?
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SPEAKER_00: Hi, my name's Owen Petty.
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SPEAKER_00: I um do I say what I am?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, say where you are.
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SPEAKER_00: Um man.
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SPEAKER_00: Um no, I am a writer, performer, presenter, I guess.
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SPEAKER_00: Um gone multi-hyphenated cunt after that.
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SPEAKER_00: So I can't say that.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so just going in the worst word.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, can I click that?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go for it.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, fab.
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SPEAKER_04: I don't think cunt's rude at all.
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SPEAKER_00: Um no, it's not.
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SPEAKER_00: Obviously, in America, it's it's seen as we're we're reclaiming it a little bit.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but like, don't you think it's kind of weird that like that of all the words is like the rudest?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, to be honest, I was like, anything with like a female kind of body part, I would think is always like has some weird element to it that we've liked.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that we've lied, the patriarchy's like slightly destroyed somehow, and my god, I'm not gonna become that person.
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SPEAKER_00: Street male listeners, please don't listen to me.
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SPEAKER_02: We've got like one straight male listener, and it's my dad, and it's also basically a woman.
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SPEAKER_02: Hi Marik.
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SPEAKER_04: Hi Maric.
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SPEAKER_04: No, but oh my god, so I was in Italy.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Speaking of um of like uh sweat words, I was in Italy, and that they were like, there's this word that you can't say in Italy, like it you'll be arrested if you say this word.
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SPEAKER_04: And I was like, what is it?
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SPEAKER_05: Well isn't it?
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SPEAKER_04: And it's like really, maybe not because it's so Italian.
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SPEAKER_04: It's like um cane, cane, cane deum.
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SPEAKER_04: Anyway, it basically means it religious.
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SPEAKER_04: It means dog god or god dog, and I'm like, sorry, it's basically calling god a dog.
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SPEAKER_04: But I was like, is that that they were like you would be arrested.
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SPEAKER_00: But I think I guess it's because of it's because of the the Vatican.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Shout out to the Vatican.
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SPEAKER_02: Shout out.
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SPEAKER_00: But God and dog, it's like obviously it's the same spell backwards in case anybody didn't realise that.
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SPEAKER_00: It rolls the talent.
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SPEAKER_00: It rolls up the town.
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SPEAKER_00: Is it it's not the same, it's not the same in in Italian then.
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SPEAKER_00: Deum Deo Meod.
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SPEAKER_04: Deum Noaning, it's like Canada.
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SPEAKER_04: Something like that.
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SPEAKER_04: It's that weird, it's just so strange, like how certain things are like really rude, but they like mean nothing.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like I guess I guess it was whatever takes on that like the rudest thing in the world, then becomes something with its its own entity.
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SPEAKER_00: But in America you can't say it.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, people will literally kick you out of places if you say it.
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SPEAKER_04: You say you can't.
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SPEAKER_00: Unless you're like a gay man or like a POC person in New York.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, or like Erica Jane.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Did you see did you see that episode?
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unknown: No.
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SPEAKER_00: I love that I'm like Erica Jane, yes.
2:55
SPEAKER_00: Do I want I don't watch the Real Housewives?
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SPEAKER_00: What The Real Housewives are the little weird thing.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I accidentally um watched series two, Beverly Hills, like ten years after it came out.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: But was so shocked.
3:09
SPEAKER_00: Because that's the wildest one.
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SPEAKER_00: That's when somebody commits suicide during the series, which obviously like ROP and very like sunny words of love, but like, like their reality TV is like a different level of crazy compared to ours.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Do you watch do you watch any real reality TV?
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I do know what I used to quit anti-reality TV, if I'm honest.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, which I know is like controversial.
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SPEAKER_00: Um eyebrow.
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SPEAKER_00: No, it's not that I I do you know, I think I was a bit of a wanker at one point that I was like very anti-reality TV because I kind of felt like it was slightly like, I'm gonna be honest, like what I used to think, just like don't judge me, guys.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I used to think at one point it was like the downfall of like society.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I think it's like I think I am a believer of like at one point I think in the early sense.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, I did not turn my phone on to play uh playmate, sorry that that's actually like that's actually god being like Panna Dale being like do not say this.
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SPEAKER_02: Panny Deo.
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SPEAKER_00: Um we're gonna have like a really offended person.
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SPEAKER_00: I think you've lost all your Italian listeners, Italian listeners.
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SPEAKER_00: No, but I think I've I always felt like I think the problem with reality TV is like I think with the deck uh whatever it is, like our purpose on earth.
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SPEAKER_00: No, it's not about purpose on earth or whatever it is.
4:24
SPEAKER_00: It's like I think there's a big point to like struggling what you need to do.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like on the quest of like whatever it is, like fulfillment, and it can be like in your career, like romantically a deluge.
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SPEAKER_00: I think there has to be like an element of not struggle, but an element of a journey.
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SPEAKER_00: Because it's not about the end result, it's about the journey getting there.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think with reality TV, there's an element that skews it on so many levels, it like shortens it.
4:49
SPEAKER_00: So say if you take like X-Factor, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: There's very few people that have gone on like the voice in X Factor who have then gone on take away like Kelly Clarkson, who's the best, and like and like Lil Mex and stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: Um Aaron Gates.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh that documentary was good actually.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: That's a documentary.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh god, I haven't seen it.
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SPEAKER_00: The Katie Price one is ironically incredible.
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SPEAKER_00: Is it?
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SPEAKER_00: It's produced by Louis Thoreau.
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SPEAKER_04: I thought it was I thought it was I've heard it was a bit like really quite dark.
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SPEAKER_00: It is really dark.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, but really I don't want to ruin it for anybody, but it's like it's really worth a watch, and I think it's something that I think it's like it's like a very much like a don't judge a book by its cover, and I think if you actually see what she went through and like it's kind of like take it back to like the whole reality TV thing.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's like I maybe was somebody you could judge and go like, oh, I think there's a a strength in like doing things the right way, but I actually what the fuck is the right and wrong way?
5:38
SPEAKER_00: We literally living a time when nothing makes sense.
5:40
SPEAKER_00: So I think also with these things, I think I was quite anti-Kardashian at the beginning, and then I think now like Can you come around?
5:47
SPEAKER_00: I think I've come round in a sense, like, do I think that they I look at me, I don't judge anybody.
5:55
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm like, you do what you gotta do, like with everybody, I'm like, you gotta do what you gotta do.
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SPEAKER_00: Do I think that sometimes they were the greatest role models in the world to lots of people?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: Do I think they perpetuate some stereotypes that should be tried to be erased?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Do I also think that what Kim has gone on and done is incredible in terms of like of building a world, building a business, going on, even though she didn't pass her bar?
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SPEAKER_00: Did she go and try and try?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
6:19
SPEAKER_00: And I think trying is, and I think also being so public about like also not getting there.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think for me it's like it's the trying, and then she's kind of actually reframed it.
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SPEAKER_00: Do I think there's a new generation of people that are maybe trying to copy her that haven't maybe got the star factor?
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SPEAKER_00: The star factor, integrity drive.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I think there's a big part of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, do I have the same drive as Kim?
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SPEAKER_00: No fucking way.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, like, would you fucking put out your own sex tape?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_04: Ain't your leg on Rolling Honest?
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SPEAKER_00: I had sex.
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SPEAKER_04: Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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SPEAKER_00: It was sweet and Virginia.
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SPEAKER_04: A married virgin.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but what would you put out a sex tape?
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SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, no way, you're joking.
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SPEAKER_04: Like, I can barely dance on camera like you.
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SPEAKER_02: I should never have sex again.
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SPEAKER_00: But I think that and I think you asked, without me, sorry, we bring it up, like you asked me about um Alex Earl.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't even really.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, great segue, by the way.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't know who Alex Earl was.
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SPEAKER_04: Neither did I.
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SPEAKER_04: So but what do you think?
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SPEAKER_00: I love you also.
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SPEAKER_00: I thought it was a documentary.
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SPEAKER_00: You used to mess up it.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, documentary fab, I'm gonna watch this.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I was like, what did I think?
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SPEAKER_00: My mother always said about nothing to say, don't say anything at all.
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SPEAKER_04: Wait, so let's let's just really quickly caveat this by okay.
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SPEAKER_04: So Alex Earl, influencer, she has just put out a documentary on Netflix, well, not documentary, reality TV series called Earl Meets World on Netflix.
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SPEAKER_04: And I watched it in one sitting, and then I was like, I mean, engaged is completely the wrong word, but like I I I I sat there.
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SPEAKER_04: Um basically my takeaway was I didn't know who she was.
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SPEAKER_04: Did I know who she was at the end?
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SPEAKER_04: Not really, but like I guess do you know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_04: Like, I also got the got the impression that okay, sorry, let me rewind sighty.
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SPEAKER_04: So basically, it's a it's like a reality TV show.
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SPEAKER_04: It's basically the Kardashians, but it's like they're trying to position it as like the Earls, aren't they?
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SPEAKER_00: That's what I think.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, Netflix is trying to create the Kardashians.
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SPEAKER_04: 100%.
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SPEAKER_04: And like she's like really fucking famous among like Jen Alpha or whatever, whoever they are on TikTok.
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SPEAKER_04: Anyway, long story short, it's basically her and her kind of like extended blended family.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay, the nothing happens.
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SPEAKER_00: Nothing happens.
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SPEAKER_04: At the beginning, she's moving out of her boyfriend's house who refuses to be on the show, they broke up, and at the end, she like called.
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SPEAKER_04: Did you see did you watch it to the end?
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SPEAKER_00: No, I I struggled to get through the first 20 minutes.
8:36
SPEAKER_04: Right, right, right, right.
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SPEAKER_00: I watched two episodes.
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SPEAKER_00: But also, can I just say like to caveat, as I said, I don't like saying negative things like I I I believe that she shouldn't be given this such a public platform at currently.
8:50
SPEAKER_00: You can tell that she is she has talents, yeah, she has impressive qualities.
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SPEAKER_00: Should she be able to like do some of this growth in private, make mistakes?
9:03
SPEAKER_00: So I think that's like I think it was like they interviewed Jesse Buckley, um, as he's an incredible actress who did like Hamnet from the Oscar and Bafter and everything they see over Hamnet, which we watched again last night, destroyed me.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
9:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think they're like, What is your best advice for like young actors or young people wanting to get into any creative industry?
9:21
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, go work in a pub, go fucking work in a stall in the market, go shag the wrong people, go make loads of mistakes in your 20s, because that is how you learn, and I think that's the big issue with Gen Z.
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SPEAKER_00: And I do I don't think they'd mind me saying.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like because if you're living your whole life in the public eye, you cannot make mistakes.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I know I have made a million mistakes.
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SPEAKER_00: I know it's in those mistakes that I've grown and learned so much.
9:48
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what I panicked for Alex.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, it's like I was almost glad when I saw the dancing of stars bit because I was like, my god, she can dance.
9:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And like dancing is a creative, like it's a creative skill, it's like it's incredible.
9:59
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, you can really dance.
10:00
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, why is she just if she if did you say it's like what is she known for?
10:05
SPEAKER_00: And it was like she's known ready with me videos, yeah.
10:08
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, and I'm not shitting on that.
10:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, hustle away, hun, like hustle.
10:12
SPEAKER_00: I I did I did love juice, I did, I did TikTok, I did um the dating show and stuff.
10:16
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: It was born out of a slightly unusual place because it was born as a marketing campaign, which then became like more of the centre focus.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's like it's something I adored doing, but it's like but I think it's also it's like I I spent a long time f honing my presenting skills and think, and it's also it's like there's a lot of trial and error and things, but I think that's my issue with reality TV now, is like I'm just like there's a big difference between it's the same with implements and content creators, there's a big difference between just creating something, like create any creation is good, but like there's a big difference between like being like get ready with me, or being like, hey, I'm actually this person, I've got a personality, I've researched something, I've gone and done a degree, you or like I've just gone and studied like a week-long course and I'm gonna tell you about it.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
10:58
SPEAKER_00: Like you've gotta like, you've gotta put in the work to then get something out.
11:02
SPEAKER_04: Have something to say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:03
SPEAKER_04: I completely agree with you.
11:04
SPEAKER_04: And I feel like part of the reason why it didn't work was because like the Kardashians, like, now it's boring because we basically know everything that that's already happened to them.
11:13
SPEAKER_04: So all the drama that we used to find out each episode, we know it already.
11:17
SPEAKER_04: So the ins and outs of their kind of day-to-day lives are boring because they're so regimented and fucking glossy and produced because like that is their lives now.
11:26
SPEAKER_04: Whereas like back in the day, you know, they were doing weird, crazy shit, like they were getting fucked up and like embarrassing themselves.
11:31
SPEAKER_00: And that's and I think that's what's relatable because we all sit there going, I make mistakes.
11:35
SPEAKER_00: Nobody wants to see somebody being perfect, and that's what she's trying to present.
11:39
SPEAKER_04: But she's trying to present it as like we're a messy, silly, weird family.
11:42
SPEAKER_04: But because everyone now is especially that generation, are so like media conscious, yeah, aren't they?
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SPEAKER_04: They're so kind of image conscious, they know like how to present themselves in the perfect way that like they won't allow themselves to like be messy or like the drama is just too polished that it's not interesting.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but the bet actually I thought the actually to be fair, the plot line that I did find interesting was her step-mum.
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SPEAKER_04: Did you did you get it?
12:06
SPEAKER_04: Did you get to that bit?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I watched the episode two, so it's like I'm at the step-mum.
12:11
SPEAKER_04: Well, so okay, so her step-mum's this woman called Ashley, well, now Ashley uh, but she was Ashley Dupree.
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SPEAKER_04: Basically, I've done like a deep dive on this, I thought it was fascinating.
12:20
SPEAKER_04: Um, so she, when she was like 23, got caught up in this um scandal, basically, where she was escorting.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's what I thought.
12:29
SPEAKER_00: This it was escorting, but then they make it seem like it's Yeah, that it's they frame it in like a really weird way that I was like, wait, I don't understand.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm assuming that she's an escort.
12:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but she's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:38
SPEAKER_04: So later on in the series, she basically says, like, oh, I got I got into it because I was like, fuck this, I want to be like a man.
12:45
SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't want to like I don't want like to be hurt by men, so I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna like get what I want from it.
12:51
SPEAKER_04: So basically, she got caught up in this escort scandal with a US set senator.
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SPEAKER_04: Then like six months later, so she was in the newspapers, like her and other people, it wasn't just her.
13:02
SPEAKER_04: Then she got caught because obviously she'd already been in the tabloids having an affair with Alex Earl's dad, this guy called TJ.
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SPEAKER_00: So is Alex Earl famous at this point?
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SPEAKER_04: No, no, no.
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SPEAKER_04: She's like a like a seven-year-old.
13:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
13:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, this was like 17 years ago.
13:16
SPEAKER_04: So the dad, who was still with the mum, then obviously like their relationship imploded.
13:22
SPEAKER_04: Then she becomes Alex and her sister Ashton's stepmum, and they obviously hated her.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know I saw that bit, yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:31
SPEAKER_04: But now Ashley and TJ, the dad, who is so weird, like he's literally like a wax work.
13:37
SPEAKER_00: I just I think the fact they called him a dadager, like even like in the like the the typography kind of on the on screen, I'm like, it just all feels a bit gimmicky for me.
13:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
13:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I did it just but also I think the weird bit is like no drama actually happened.
13:53
SPEAKER_00: It was like they all alluded to the drama off camera.
13:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:56
SPEAKER_00: And then I was like, wait, did any of this actually happen?
13:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:59
SPEAKER_04: Like the whole so basically throughout the documentary, like we're kind of edged into thinking that like Alex oh is gonna reveal like her drama with Alex Cooper, that of cool her daddy.
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SPEAKER_04: Basically, they had beef, but like she never really tells us the beef.
14:13
SPEAKER_04: She's basically just like, yeah, I don't like her, like she was a bad boss, and like and then the does the Tom Brady guy thing go anywhere?
14:21
SPEAKER_04: No.
14:21
SPEAKER_00: Why do you think they're even together?
14:22
SPEAKER_00: I think Dave just she probably like filmed a shumping bitch.
14:26
SPEAKER_00: This is why I didn't watch reality TV because I get like I do get invested and then I'm like, I don't want to say anything else.
14:31
SPEAKER_04: I know.
14:32
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, I know, I know, I know.
14:34
SPEAKER_04: Anyway, anyway, anyway.
14:35
SPEAKER_04: Speaking of boring, yeah, um, can we talk about Haley Beaver and Justin Beaver's W interview?
14:42
SPEAKER_00: I just I just because I was because I just I it was bizarre.
14:47
SPEAKER_00: It was it was bizarre.
14:50
SPEAKER_02: If you don't have anything else to say at all, I don't know what to say.
14:54
SPEAKER_04: Basically, uh W magazine has just started like a new like youth magazine basically called Double Youth.
15:02
SPEAKER_04: Um, which by the way is kind of a weird thing to do.
15:04
SPEAKER_04: I feel like do you think that's gonna sell?
15:07
SPEAKER_00: Well, I think it's like it's also it's just an online platform, it's not a magazine.
15:11
SPEAKER_03: It's a magazine.
15:11
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's a magazine.
15:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:13
SPEAKER_00: I think that's interesting because obviously we're moving away from print because my dad used to work in print, so it's like, so it's in like I think it's like an interesting thing that's like obviously as we move towards like a digital area, print is dying.
15:23
SPEAKER_00: Which is quite scary if we're gonna talk about the the burning of the books like and like deleting of like various like books.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: AI.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: AI, which is deleting books and stuff.
15:31
SPEAKER_04: Is it deleting books?
15:32
SPEAKER_00: Apparently, there's this whole thing, whether you believe it or not, there's a thing that I'm not gonna mention the platform's name because I don't want to get killed.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh because they're desperately out for me, so it's so important.
15:42
SPEAKER_00: Um but they're basically saying that they've there's been this thing that ordering buying loads of books up, a platform, like an AI platform, and then they've been found to be uh destroying them.
15:51
SPEAKER_05: You know, that's confirmed.
15:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:53
SPEAKER_00: And so it's like I just think that's like it's the same as thing, it's like it's just deleting of history, and I think that's things like we live in we live in a world where we know like if you look back at like the like the Nazis burning the books, there's been many times that destroying of the ancient, like like Alexandra and Babylon and all these kind of places.
16:05
SPEAKER_00: It's like it's an ongoing thing where people try to delete history.
16:09
SPEAKER_00: Um so I think it's just like a scary time with AI, because it's like with books, if it's physical, you can always get back and find a book.
16:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if it's digital, that just to be able to delete that and change it just means it's like we can live in a completely different dystopian world.
16:24
SPEAKER_00: Um so I think it's it's cool that we can like it's we could let's see what happens with that and like whether we move to that.
16:29
SPEAKER_00: But I think with W, yeah, it's it's I don't know what it is.
16:33
SPEAKER_00: And if this is a if this is the big interview they're launching with, obviously good on them that they got two of the most famous people in the world.
16:38
SPEAKER_04: But also this sort of um like absolute zero like content, zero effort, but I but I did I'm assuming they can't have been paid.
16:47
SPEAKER_04: No, like surely not.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: So therefore it's just a case of like but the fact that they had two words for each answer.
16:52
SPEAKER_04: Okay, so we're gonna read the interview.
16:54
SPEAKER_04: So basically, um double youth, they get as their like inaugural issue, they get Haley and Justin to basically be their cover stars.
17:02
SPEAKER_04: And the whole premise of the piece is like true love or something.
17:06
SPEAKER_04: What was it?
17:06
SPEAKER_04: It was like the the the headline was like Justin Beaver and Hayley Beaver are so in love.
17:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
17:12
SPEAKER_04: Okay, let's read the interview.
17:13
SPEAKER_04: Do you want to be Haley?
17:15
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
17:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna do an accent because I can't do accents.
17:19
SPEAKER_04: Okay, so these are the questions, and then Owen's gonna do Haley and Justin.
17:22
SPEAKER_04: Okay, favourite artist of all time?
17:25
SPEAKER_00: Haley, way too hard to pick one.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: Justin, too hard to pick one, which I think's interesting because Haley's done one word more than Justin, but apart from that, the same answer.
17:35
SPEAKER_04: Do you think that Haley just wrote these?
17:40
SPEAKER_04: I feel like they didn't.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: Or she was like, Justin, what's your answer?
17:44
SPEAKER_04: He was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: And she's gone way too hard to pick one, and then she's gone, Justin, he's gone too hard to pick one.
17:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
17:50
SPEAKER_04: He's like sat on the looting because it's like morning shit.
17:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
17:52
SPEAKER_04: And she's like, oh, they're chasing me, like, would I get it done?
17:55
SPEAKER_00: Gotta get it done.
17:55
SPEAKER_04: Okay, favourite movie.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: Haley the Gringe, Justin the Breakup.
18:01
SPEAKER_04: Fucking weird choice.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: Really, like, I'm like, is this whole thing just a PR stump?
18:06
SPEAKER_00: Because I was like, the reason we're talking about it is because it's such a bad interview.
18:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
18:09
SPEAKER_04: But do you think why?
18:10
SPEAKER_04: But like that would be bad PR, surely.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: Baby girl, not PR's bad PR.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: Oh, all PR's good PR.
18:18
SPEAKER_04: Maybe.
18:18
SPEAKER_04: But I mean the breakup, also, that's just a notoriously quite bad and depressing film, don't you think?
18:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, at least the Grinch is like kind of like artistic.
18:26
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like it is a slightly cult film.
18:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:28
SPEAKER_00: But like for children, but like.
18:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: But you know.
18:31
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, okay, each their own.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Right, favorite city.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: Haley, New York, Justin, Los Angeles.
18:39
SPEAKER_00: Also, again, it's just like everybody's like, you're either a New York or a Los Angeles person.
18:42
SPEAKER_00: So it's just kind of like showing how different they are.
18:45
SPEAKER_04: Do you think?
18:45
SPEAKER_00: But that's when they've gone to the next question.
18:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, favourite way to relax.
18:49
SPEAKER_00: Spa, spa, both of them.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: So I think maybe they've just gone, babe, do you think we sound too different?
18:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: And then he's like, okay, I'll say spa too.
18:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I yeah.
18:58
SPEAKER_04: I mean, like, to be fair, fair enough.
18:59
SPEAKER_04: Like, if if it's at an actual spa, like completely agree with that great answer.
19:03
SPEAKER_00: So when you say, like, favourite way to relax, like.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: And I guess spas are relaxing, wouldn't you just be like being on a beach on holiday in some.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's something, something like a little bit more like a bit, a bit of a zerg, like something.
19:17
SPEAKER_04: Okay, right, so favourite holiday.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: Hailey Thanksgiving, Justin Christmas.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: But do you think they were saying like favourite holiday in that sense, or like favourite holiday like ever you've been on?
19:28
SPEAKER_00: Or do you think they were like, it's giving like Demi Lovato, and they're like, What's your favourite dish?
19:32
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, a mug.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: I love Demi Lovato, I'm obsessed with that.
19:38
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, I've not seen that.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: You've not seen that, but like, what's your favourite dish?
19:40
SPEAKER_00: She's like, I don't know, like a mug.
19:42
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, I'm actually dying.
19:44
SPEAKER_04: What would be your favourite dish?
19:45
SPEAKER_00: Um, like a bowl.
19:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think maybe mine's a bowl.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: Bowl.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: What's my favourite dish?
19:53
SPEAKER_00: I do know what I've decided really, like I haven't spoken up because I was like, what's my death through a dish?
19:57
SPEAKER_00: It would already have been like roast pork or something.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: So I just hit my microphone.
20:01
SPEAKER_00: Rose pork with like doe from my potatoes or something like that.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: But like zucchini fritti, it's like really silly.
20:07
SPEAKER_04: Really?
20:08
SPEAKER_04: What is like a full, so if you were literally on the verge of being electrocuted, you'd go for a zucchini fritty.
20:14
SPEAKER_00: No, we're not have dead from our potatoes.
20:16
SPEAKER_00: Dave from potatoes are like pork or steak or something like that.
20:18
SPEAKER_04: Do you know what I used to say, like really fucking elaborate thick well, elaborate, I used to say like chick roast chicken.
20:23
SPEAKER_04: Um, but now I think I'd honestly just have like a baguette and salt and like salty butter.
20:32
SPEAKER_04: Honestly, I think that's my favourite thing in the entire world.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: Do you like okay?
20:36
SPEAKER_00: I do know I do love it.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: Do you remember coming back from the food market as a kid?
20:40
SPEAKER_00: You're like pate?
20:41
SPEAKER_04: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
20:43
SPEAKER_04: Pate having like the aftertaste of like liver on your on your tongue.
20:48
SPEAKER_04: Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: Yum yum yum yum yum.
20:52
SPEAKER_04: Okay, right, let's finish this.
20:53
SPEAKER_04: So, okay, Hailey.
20:55
SPEAKER_04: Oh no, so not Hayley.
20:56
SPEAKER_04: Favourite hobby.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: Haley, I don't have a fun hobby.
21:02
SPEAKER_00: Which I just think if I hadn't words advice to Hayley, I think it's very important to make something up.
21:07
SPEAKER_00: To make something fun.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: Or also just to like, also I think a hobby is important to have.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: Like, because I think I think I get very caught up in like doing like things that matter, or like when I say matter, like could not just like not the world, but like can be like creative school.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: But I'm always like, everything has to mean something.
21:26
SPEAKER_04: You love doing worthy hobbies.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: Well no, no, I think not worthy, not worthy, not worthy.
21:30
SPEAKER_00: I think like I think I was always like, you know, if if I take something up, I'm gonna like, what am I gonna do in this to like make me like in my career?
21:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
21:37
SPEAKER_00: I think then recently, like I just learned to tap dance.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, I love that.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: And just had the best time, and I was like, this was actually fun, because I'm never gonna do it anywhere.
21:44
SPEAKER_00: It was just like, and it was just it's almost like it's almost like learning a fun hobby, it's almost like meditation, because it's like doing something where your brain just stopped actually like processing something, like processing towards something.
21:54
SPEAKER_00: So I think, yeah, like Hayley girl, I actually love Hayley Bieber.
21:57
SPEAKER_00: I don't know much about her, but
22:00
SPEAKER_04: That's the thing.
22:00
SPEAKER_04: I think like she's like an everywoman.
22:02
SPEAKER_04: Like, because she gives so little, I feel like you can ascribe anything to her.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: But I think she's kind of like, she's a bit like I think it's like the Beyonce model, like, don't give too much away to the press and they can't say much about you.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: And I think maybe at one point they did, but I think now they kind of keep for themselves, and this is why lots of people are like, what are they doing?
22:17
SPEAKER_00: What they do.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: And I think actually just like I think that I think the true thing of like an actual star is you don't do interviews, you don't do that, and your talent speaks to itself, which I think that's what counter questions some of the reality things.
22:31
SPEAKER_00: It's like the whole thing is like selling stories about yourself to make you in the it make you in the spot like you are.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: But then I think there's a big thing with the personalities, like people who then are famous because their personalities iconic, like some of them iconic.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: So I think it's it's a very like no, there's there's no right or wrong, I think.
22:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I also think that you're completely right.
22:49
SPEAKER_04: Like I think the chicest thing is, I mean it's like the whole Katie Moss thing, like never complain, never explain.
22:54
SPEAKER_04: Like there is literally nothing chicken, and also things will literally go away.
22:58
SPEAKER_04: They do.
22:58
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I guess that's sort of like Trump, Trump sort of slogan as well.
23:01
SPEAKER_04: Just kind of break.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I think if you're a cunt, things do catch up with you.
23:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, let's hope, let's hope.
23:06
SPEAKER_04: But I completely agree, like, even like Dakota Johnson, I was just randomly listening about her today, but she broke up with role model, apparently.
23:13
SPEAKER_04: But she like refused to ever like do interviews with him, like she would never ever ever like acknowledge whether or not they were dating.
23:20
SPEAKER_04: She like would never ever pose with him on the red carpet, they'd be there, but they'd be separate, and they'd been like dating for like what like six months.
23:26
SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
23:27
SPEAKER_04: I just think there's the mystery.
23:28
SPEAKER_00: But I think it's also like the press don't know where these people are at all times.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you're gonna come out of like the most famous like restaurant in the world, we don't live in a time now that paparazzi have the like have the opportunity to just like people were always selling those stories, and I think that's the interesting thing.
23:43
SPEAKER_00: It's like if you don't understand the world, it's like you can completely understand that it's like, oh poor them, they got caught falling out of a club.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: Like the nine times out of ten, that celebrity or PR person rang that P uh paparazzi person to be there.
23:58
SPEAKER_00: So I think it's like, yeah, okay, if you're like Zendere and Tom Holland, I feel really bad for you because you are like so famous that like it is really hard to be them sometimes.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: But also, like they can also just go away on holiday and just like be themselves, like, and I think that's them being like, we're gonna step away from the limelight and live in Richmond.
24:15
SPEAKER_04: How funny is that?
24:16
SPEAKER_04: They live in Richmond.
24:17
SPEAKER_04: They live in Richmond, which I'm just obsessed with because I feel like I can totally see Tom Holland living in Richmond, but Zendaya just feels like such a like otherworldly, like American, like superstar.
24:29
SPEAKER_00: No, but she's so dancing.
24:30
SPEAKER_04: No, but she is, but I just feel like there is such a like hilarious, do you know what I mean, like incongruousness?
24:36
SPEAKER_00: But I think that Richard, but I think they probably move exit that they do have privacy, no, privacy for sure, but just like people don't, because it's like majority of Richmond won't be like, oh my god, it's a dare! Isn't that they'll be like, wow, it's a dare, but they won't do anything about it.
24:47
SPEAKER_04: No, I know, but like, don't but don't you think they were just like, I don't know, maybe it's because like we live, we've grown up in London, like, well.
24:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
24:54
SPEAKER_00: I was born in Richmond.
24:55
SPEAKER_04: Were you?
24:56
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
24:57
SPEAKER_04: But what like where?
24:58
SPEAKER_04: Where?
24:58
SPEAKER_00: So like um I don't want to say where because then people probably like stalk my screen.
25:03
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure I'm sure they were.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: Um but so it's like Mies and Dare and Tom Holland, like used to like I do actually I really respect them.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: I do okay, so the last the last fucking questions of the interview.
25:14
SPEAKER_02: Okay, favourite book.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: Um Haley said as a kid, Angelina Ballerina, and Justin said surprise, surprise, the Bible.
25:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean like just know and leave it.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: I'm taking it back.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: I think that's it.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: No, but it's I think maybe she's just like, but it's also have you seen this thing though recently?
25:33
SPEAKER_00: Who was it?
25:33
SPEAKER_00: Um my god, I really like her, the actress.
25:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, Kaya Gerber.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: Did you see my brain?
25:42
SPEAKER_00: Do you see my brain working then?
25:44
SPEAKER_04: So the eyes are gonna fire out your face.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: Um Kaya Gerber, who's amazing in the Shards, if any of you see.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh really?
25:51
SPEAKER_00: She's really she's really stepped up pussy up.
25:53
unknown: Okay.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: Um and she's doing some really good acting.
25:56
SPEAKER_04: Do you recommend the shards, by the way?
25:57
SPEAKER_00: I do.
25:57
SPEAKER_00: It's a new Ryan Murphy series.
25:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
25:59
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I just really like it.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: It's quite stylized, it's quite interesting.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like it's not it's not like a complete new concept, but I think it's really well written.
26:05
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
26:05
SPEAKER_00: And like it's it's it's aesthetically well directed at points and stuff.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, but she basically does um I didn't realise how well read she is.
26:13
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: And I'm not a massive person.
26:15
SPEAKER_00: I because my ADHD, I struggle to read books, and I have to like audiobook it, and I also I always get like third of the way through or three-quarters of the way through, and then forget about it.
26:22
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
26:23
SPEAKER_00: But she basically said like five different books.
26:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, they were like, what your top five books?
26:27
SPEAKER_00: And she said her five different books.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: And they're really impressive books.
26:30
SPEAKER_00: They're like quite they're quite highbrowed.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: I was reading the comments, everybody was like, like that bitch can read.
26:35
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I was like, wow, so it's like you can't win, really, especially as a woman.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: Like, can we can you really win being like, Yeah, you know, if you say Angelina Ballerina, which I think's not the right answer, yeah.
26:46
SPEAKER_05: Um I mean, yeah.
26:47
SPEAKER_00: But then I think if you then say something really highbrowed, it's like women I think struggle to win in this they they've struggled to win for like a while.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: But I think especially in this climate, like then also I'm like, are these real men that who are that?
26:59
SPEAKER_00: Like, there's so much bots.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: That's my favourite game on Instagram, like comments on like bot bot or human.
27:04
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: Because like majority of the time it is bots, but if it's not a bot, there's so many bots on there.
27:09
SPEAKER_04: But then, okay, so I completely agree with you, are you like women and like people kind of always having an opinion?
27:15
SPEAKER_04: Like, you yeah, as you say, like it's so much harder to win.
27:18
SPEAKER_04: But I I think part of that's maybe wrapped up with the fact that like people are just like envious of her and the opportunities that she's had.
27:25
SPEAKER_04: So like it's probably like a projection of being like so beautiful.
27:29
SPEAKER_04: You're so fucking beautiful, but you've had like a lot of opportunities that like you know haven't been afforded to other people who maybe have been trying to act for 20 years, you know.
27:37
SPEAKER_04: However, I agree with you, like the kind of she's pretty and she's young and she's a Nepo, so therefore she can't be intelligent or like readers.
27:48
SPEAKER_00: But I think I think that's the whole fair.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: No, it's and I think it's also the whole Nepe baby thing, I think it's interesting because it's like if you look at like the Nepe baby does get frustrating, it is like irritating that that but I also think it's just like it comes down to like being a good or bad person.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: It's like if you look at say the likes of Grace Campbell, yeah, or like um I've just mind-blanked on Elon Musk's daughter, Vivian, uh, I can't remember how's her name, and um and say Kai Gerber, it's like, yes, they might have been given an opportunity in life.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: Have they stepped up and done something like amazing?
28:18
SPEAKER_00: Have they done something to like to to like impress, make people laugh, challenge culture, to learn?
28:23
SPEAKER_00: It's like they've done that.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: So it's like I think the Nepe baby thing, it's like we can all feel jealous at times, like looking and being like, God, I wish I had that.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: But I think like if they if you're doing the most, like we should all like, I think, as a collective, sit back and be like, they're not the likes of, say, Trump and Elon Musk, who grew up in a world and have made it a worse place by like degrading and like bullying people.
28:44
SPEAKER_04: No, I know.
28:45
SPEAKER_04: I do you know what?
28:46
SPEAKER_04: You're you're so right.
28:46
SPEAKER_04: I mean, at the end of the day, they can't fucking choose who their parents are, like, they can't win, can't they?
28:50
SPEAKER_00: No, you can't, you're not born into this world choosing your parents.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: I think like being chastised for who your parents are is a weird thing.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: Being chastised for your decisions you make based on like who you what how you came into this world, that is your choice.
29:01
SPEAKER_00: So I think I think my sisters, like, not that I have like it's not that my I love my parents' death, they gave me like they brought, they gave me like a lot in life, but I think I think my sister was always like, don't feel guilty for ever where you came from because like the stupid thing is to like you the best thing you can do is make the best of a situation that you've been brought into.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: If you're gonna feel guilty and not do stuff or do feel bad and she's like, that's not helping anybody, that's just you, your ego dealing with it yourself.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: Like, like if you think you've been dealt a good hand in life, then you fucking go and do something that then does the best for the world it can.
29:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree with you.
29:36
SPEAKER_04: And I mean, yeah, I mean, to be honest, like I don't know if you feel like this.
29:39
SPEAKER_04: Because I mean, on the one hand, I agree, but then as like a creative, there are moments.
29:44
SPEAKER_04: I don't know if you find this as well, because obviously No, you get really pissed off.
29:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're being I'm being so pious.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: I'm literally like sometimes I'm like, fuck that being shaving everything.
29:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but you know, sometimes it's like you can't help it.
29:54
SPEAKER_04: I think, like, especially in the creative industries, like, there are so fucking few opportunities.
29:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it can sometimes be like so easy to kind of be like, that is so fucking unfair.
30:04
SPEAKER_04: Like, for example, like you're writing an incredible show at the moment.
30:07
SPEAKER_04: That's what I've been.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for plugging this show.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: I do need to plug it myself.
30:12
SPEAKER_04: He's running a show, one man show.
30:14
SPEAKER_04: When is when's your show like met yeah?
30:16
SPEAKER_00: Well, is it so?
30:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm just it's still like in the writing.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm doing quite a few things.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: I'm doing like a musical, um, which I've just finished writing, my one man show, finished writing.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: So it's all kind of in development.
30:24
SPEAKER_00: There's a TV show, hopefully, on the way, which is in development.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's been really exciting.
30:29
SPEAKER_00: It's just like it's kind of been like the last year since um since kind of um taking like stepping away from presenting love juice, which I adored, um, kind of stepping away from that.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: Um just kind of spent the last year like figuring out next steps of like where I'm going.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: So it's just been like really beautiful, but obviously it takes and I think that's the thing is it's like when you're in that creative process, it's like everything takes so much time.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: The most important thing about these things is pivoting, yeah.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: Is you set out with a goal of this is what I'm gonna do, and there'll be a time, it could be that somebody, a Nepo baby, releases something that's exactly the same as yours, whatever, and you have to go, fuck, everything's over.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you pivot, or it could be like you start a business, a a war happens, uh Brexit happens, something happens, yeah, and you have to then suddenly there's not the investment you wanted, you have to pivot.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: And these pivots can feel like the most scary times because you're trying to switch around and do something, but I think it's it's in the pivot that I think often then comes out that really thing.
31:28
SPEAKER_04: It's also just like in that time frame, I don't you think, because like I'm also trying to do like this documentary, like writing things up.
31:35
SPEAKER_01: Tell me more.
31:36
SPEAKER_04: It's like, no, I can't.
31:38
SPEAKER_04: Do you think don't you think talking about it makes you feel really vulnerable?
31:40
SPEAKER_04: Like I hate it.
31:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 100%.
31:42
SPEAKER_04: Like every single time I go on like a date, well, like someone asks me, I'm like, no, no, you don't you don't want to know anything about me, and like my whole life is boring.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: Like, so if you think that it is.
31:51
SPEAKER_04: So the things I don't think that, but it's just like it's so exposing.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: But it's not, but I think it's like um so weird to bring it back to Kardashians.
31:58
SPEAKER_00: I actually used to live with I used to live with Soy Mack, who's now Kim and Kay's personal stylist.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
32:03
SPEAKER_00: And she gave me one of the best bits of advice ever, and she was like, There's two versions of the truth.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: She's like, there's your truth, which you're like living.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm because I it took me so long to tell people I'm a writer.
32:14
SPEAKER_00: Because I was like, but I'm not, I haven't written anything that's been on TV.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: But everybody's like, but she was like, but you're still a writer.
32:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:18
SPEAKER_00: Like you're still writing.
32:19
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
32:20
SPEAKER_00: But I was like, yeah, but if I say I'm like, I'm a writer, and people go, What have I seen of yours?
32:23
SPEAKER_00: And you go, Oh, well, like now I can I have done stuff so I can say, but like for like seven years I'd done nothing.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: Apart from I'd written it all, I'd been in meetings, I'd been in development for two, three years, I'd even had things greenlit and they didn't happen.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: But she's like, there's two versions of the truth, and she's like, You tell people you're a writer.
32:38
SPEAKER_00: Because if you don't, nobody else is telling them a writer.
32:40
SPEAKER_00: And also it makes it it might be that you today say, Oh, I'm a documentary filmmaker.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: You it's like it's kind of like manifesting.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: It's like if you tell people you I'm do this documentary, somebody will go, Oh, did you know Juliana was doing a documentary?
32:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:52
SPEAKER_00: Or, oh, how do you read documentary?
32:54
SPEAKER_00: I should introduce you this person.
32:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:55
SPEAKER_00: So I think it's really important to tell people what you're doing.
32:58
SPEAKER_04: No, I completely agree with you.
32:59
SPEAKER_04: And to be fair, I had the same thing with art for a I guess because like because I was like writing journalist stuff, I was like, Yeah, I'm a journalist or I'm a writer, but yeah, with the art stuff, like, yeah, I had the same day because I was like, Oh, but like I've only like recently like restarted my practice, and I haven't like gone to art school, like I'm not an artist.
33:18
SPEAKER_04: And then I think I was just reading Alawir or something, and she was like, because she was doing her amazing art and her music, and she was like, That's the craziest thing I ever heard.
33:24
SPEAKER_04: Like, obviously, if you're doing something, then that's what you are.
33:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I was like, You're so right.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: And I think she's actually something that's really I really respect when she just took herself off and she was like, Right, this is what I'm gonna do, and she locked she locked herself, not locked when I say locked herself away, she still had a life, but isn't like she really she stuck and she honed her craft.
33:42
SPEAKER_00: She she has not taken the easy way ever, but she has taken the artist rewarding way, and I think that's where I look at her and I admire that artist.
33:53
SPEAKER_00: I think she actually like I haven't seen her for years, but I think she really inspired me, inspired me of going because I think I'm a very sociable person, and I think I think I I like people to like me, and I think I really put a lot of impetus of my like happiness on does that person like me?
34:08
SPEAKER_00: Even when I didn't like the person, yeah, and I think that's why I think looking around, it's the same with my husband, who's who's a film director, and he's like all the people that I think you see what they're doing is they really actually don't me wrong, they go and have they go and have like these amazing fun nights out, or they go and have like amazing lunch with their friends and the family.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: But if you're gonna launch a company, if you're gonna launch a podcast, if you're gonna write a film, it's like you have to spend five days a week basically doing that.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: Last week I was with my whole process, it's like this is where I've just moved a deadline because one of my best friends will be back to the country, another of my friends is visiting from another country if it's from a godfather.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: So I spent like three, four nights just going out for dinners and stuff, which I haven't done for a while.
34:48
SPEAKER_00: I did no work.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: I sat at my screen and looked at a laptop and was like, Yeah.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's just not and I think that's the thing, and don't get me wrong, it's like you would have periods of life, like you wouldn't have two years where you do that.
35:01
SPEAKER_00: Like, you do you can do minimum work, you can earn some get earn some money and you can get a pie.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: But I think when you all want to get to that next stage in life, you have to be like, Yeah, fuck everybody's zone anyway.
35:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but don't you God do I sound really preachy today?
35:12
SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: I think guys, I had like a mental breakdown this morning about all my work, and I think I've I've been in this like mindset of like I need to it's like you call me another day and be like, bitch, do anything in work! Well, today I've been so hard on myself.
35:24
SPEAKER_02: I'm literally like fucking self-flagellating.
35:26
SPEAKER_00: I literally self-flagellated all day and now I'm just preaching instead.
35:30
SPEAKER_04: You're like, what is it that can go out of there?
35:33
SPEAKER_04: About work, you've got to fucking work hard.
35:35
SPEAKER_00: You've gotta work hard.
35:36
SPEAKER_04: But like, but the thing is, do you know what?
35:38
SPEAKER_04: I actually find that so interesting because I okay, the two things.
35:42
SPEAKER_04: So I love that this is like meant like the pop culture's I mean, is this any of it?
35:47
SPEAKER_00: I know, but I was like, practice.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: I know, but I know pop culture.
35:50
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I was I am I love it.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: Somebody today was like, what are you doing?
35:53
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I'm I was doing a podcast on um pop culture, and they were like, oh my god, that you'll be great at that.
35:57
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I was like, I love pop culture, but I think I've become like a really like grandpa at the moment.
36:03
SPEAKER_00: I've become really preaching grandpa-y, and I was like, oh my god, I need to become fun.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: No, oh my god, guys, I love like Charlie X and La La Sunday and Lady Barbie.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: It's all about pop girlies like Madonna, Whitney, like give me all that.
36:13
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, but to be fair, me too, like all I all I talk.
36:16
SPEAKER_04: Literally, I am that person at a party who's who's bringing up AI.
36:20
SPEAKER_04: I'm literally that person who's like, Did you know that we have 10 years to live as humanity?
36:26
SPEAKER_04: Like, but the thing is, in my mo in like in the moment, I make people need to know, like, I need to be spreading the word.
36:32
SPEAKER_04: But like, obviously, no one can no one wants to like their whole night ruined.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: No, I know that's what I think because also they've lived that all day.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: So it's like the thing is it's like they don't want to come and then listen to be like, Did you know AI is destroying the world?
36:41
SPEAKER_00: And they're like, Yes, I did.
36:44
SPEAKER_02: That I like repost, I call it the climate emergency.
36:46
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:47
SPEAKER_04: Because like, okay, so I've had conversations with people about this, and they're like, Can you like stop doing that?
36:52
SPEAKER_04: Kind of like ruins my my vibe.
36:54
SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, yeah, but I know, but I've like spread awareness.
36:57
SPEAKER_04: But like, I don't know, don't you think it's so difficult?
36:59
SPEAKER_04: Because some people just don't want to know.
37:02
SPEAKER_04: But I am one of those people that, like, okay, listen, I'm still like you occasionally using Chat GPT, like I'm not like perfect, but like I feel like I need to it needs to be discussed.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I don't think I think it's that same thing as like Google, like everybody was like it was gonna destroy the world, people were saying at points and stuff.
37:17
SPEAKER_00: It's like, and and Facebook I can't do it, but it's in like, but there's there's it's it's gonna happen.
37:22
SPEAKER_00: I think that that there's the whole conversation of like the trains here get on on say on the platform, and I think that's wrong.
37:27
SPEAKER_00: Because I think we can we can police and I mean that's the wrong word, but we can we can regulate AI in a better way.
37:34
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's not what's happening with AI.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, but it's like it is like ultimately it is here, and there is loads of benefits for it.
37:41
SPEAKER_00: It's just we just we just we just think as humans, we just go, this is happening, let's just do it.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:46
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, no, no, no, it's like before that person makes a ton, shit ton of money out of it, it's like it needs to be regulated so it like doesn't destroy.
37:52
SPEAKER_00: Because like you can see what Gen Z and Jen Alpha are like what's happening, they all they're all turning away from social media now, Jen Alpha.
37:59
SPEAKER_00: And it's like we can see that it's like that's why our generations are all so fractured, because it's like not one is like really doing what it should be doing.
38:06
SPEAKER_04: Well, I wrote this fat down, which I thought was really sad.
38:09
SPEAKER_04: So basically another depressing fun fact from me.
38:14
SPEAKER_04: So 28% of um young people said that sorry, according to a study by Perspective Psychology Science, young people talk to each other 28% less today than in 2005.
38:25
SPEAKER_04: Isn't that kind of sad?
38:27
SPEAKER_00: Really depressing.
38:28
SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't even know if I like actually that's not true.
38:30
SPEAKER_04: Like, I would come home like so 2005.
38:32
SPEAKER_04: How old were we?
38:33
SPEAKER_04: That was like I was 40.
38:35
SPEAKER_04: Hell, that was 20 years ago.
38:38
SPEAKER_04: Was it oh my god, 20 years ago?
38:41
SPEAKER_04: 21 years ago.
38:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: God, I'm really existential today.
38:45
SPEAKER_04: I know, also can I also it's so hot in there.
38:47
SPEAKER_00: I have not stopped sweating.
38:48
SPEAKER_04: I know, I'm literally stuck to this fucking soda.
38:52
SPEAKER_00: I've literally just like I've actually cooled down a little bit.
38:54
SPEAKER_04: So, guys, I've like insisted that we close all the doors and windows because obviously lights audio quality, but um, it's like a furnace, but it's like a muggy furnace in the world.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: It's muggy today.
39:05
SPEAKER_00: I've also, this is my first time I've worn jeans in like four months.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: No way! Oh my god.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: It feels like just wearing JW Anson's.
39:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, don't worry about it.
39:14
SPEAKER_00: Don't worry about it, I hears.
39:15
SPEAKER_00: Don't worry about it.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: That is the kind of culture I'll talk about.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: Picking myself up.
39:20
SPEAKER_04: Um he's really hot, I really fancy him.
39:22
SPEAKER_04: Me, he thinks you.
39:24
SPEAKER_04: No, DW.
39:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, he's not.
39:27
SPEAKER_04: Um what was I gonna talk about?
39:29
SPEAKER_04: Um, apart from AI, AI.
39:31
SPEAKER_04: When did we be finished?
39:32
SPEAKER_00: We haven't finished.
39:32
SPEAKER_00: I don't think we should go back to the interview.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: No, no, we need to we need to fight that.
39:36
SPEAKER_02: We're done, we're done, we're done.
39:37
SPEAKER_00: Wait, what the fuck were we talking about?
39:39
SPEAKER_00: We have two ADHD people on the same day, we're just like Wait, I went wait, do you watch Love?
39:45
SPEAKER_04: Oh, we've discussed this, haven't we?
39:46
SPEAKER_04: You don't watch Love Is Blind.
39:48
SPEAKER_04: I don't, but talk about it.
39:49
SPEAKER_04: Well, okay, so yesterday my self-sabotage Sundays, which is my new slot.
39:55
SPEAKER_04: So we stayed up until three in the morning watching um Love is Blind UK.
40:00
SPEAKER_04: Um, it's fucking good.
40:02
SPEAKER_00: I to be honest, like everybody watches.
40:04
SPEAKER_00: Also, can I start with reality?
40:05
SPEAKER_00: It's like there are loads of shows that I actually really like.
40:10
SPEAKER_02: Just to bring about reality, yeah.
40:12
SPEAKER_00: A lot of it's quite like, especially with the love stuff, it's nice.
40:14
SPEAKER_00: That's why I did a love show.
40:15
SPEAKER_00: It's like it is I think people love love, and I think stuff with love, I think, is a bit different.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: Because when you're trying to get people to date, and you could also learn a lot about like what you should and shouldn't say, or like, or because I think there was another show recently, I can't remember what it's called, it's with Nick Lachey who presents it.
40:29
SPEAKER_00: Have you seen that?
40:30
SPEAKER_00: It's when it's like the married couples the the ultimatum.
40:34
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: So it's like couples go on, um, basically, and they put the one of them has put an ultimatum with their partner being like, you either have to marry me or we break up.
40:42
SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
40:44
SPEAKER_00: So six of them go on, and then they all break up and they all go on a date with the other five people there, and then they pick one that they then date for six weeks, they live together and they sleep in the same bed.
40:57
SPEAKER_04: That's so toxic.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: And then they split the other way and then they go back to their partner, and at the end they have to decide if they're gonna ma if they propose and marry them or they break up.
41:05
SPEAKER_04: But like you could never get over that, surely.
41:08
SPEAKER_00: And then the reunion happens.
41:10
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
41:11
SPEAKER_00: And it is carnage.
41:13
SPEAKER_04: Fuck! But like, no.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: So that's what I say.
41:15
SPEAKER_04: I don't know if you're I mean I learned so much from it though, in terms of like what did I learn from it?
41:22
SPEAKER_00: Because like, without sharing too much, it's like I've only met I've only been with the I I was a single sin I was 27, then I married my first boyfriend.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: Um She's Tuck Marco, who I adore.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: But I think it's interesting because I think he had relationships before, and I think he's always like, um, like the first time we ever had a fight, I was like, well, I guess this is over then.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: And he was like, what are you talking about?
41:44
SPEAKER_00: And then he was like, this happens in relationship, was like, don't you fucking gaslight?
41:48
SPEAKER_02: As you're like packing the wheel.
41:50
SPEAKER_00: Literally packing.
41:51
SPEAKER_00: And I think he was like, then it was like, I think for me, it was like, obviously, we got married three years ago, we're so happy.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: And I think it was just like an interesting thing to see, like, like various different relationships.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: You don't see the inside of like an actual functioning relationship a lot.
42:04
SPEAKER_00: And I think with a lot of relationships, like people people do relationships are hard and relationships work.
42:10
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the thing that I think the ultimate found interesting is like it's not the beginning, it's actually much further along, and it kind of shows you what a toxic one can look like, or a healthy one is where conflict comes up and how you you uh deal with conflict.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: One of you might be having a central crisis, yeah, and you're both trying to go to a party for like your best friend, and you're gonna be on a different vibe.
42:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's gonna come up.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: So I think like that was interesting for me.
42:32
SPEAKER_04: I just sorry, just side note talking about relationships.
42:35
SPEAKER_04: I is that something that like because I struggle with that so much.
42:38
SPEAKER_04: I think it's like as a people pleaser, I or like a recovering, I am so affected by like other people's moods.
42:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I you know, when you're like in a relationship, obviously like that person might be having a bad day, but like I I find it so hard to not personalize it.
42:56
SPEAKER_04: Do you know what I mean?
42:57
SPEAKER_00: Or but or do not be on like eggshels to be like or it's like always and do you when you're in bad form, do you then overcompensate?
43:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
43:03
SPEAKER_00: Because that's what I would do is I would if I'm on bad form, I will make sure that everybody else was extra good around me because I know I'm on in a bad mood.
43:10
SPEAKER_00: Whereas then my partner is like allowed to be in a bad mood.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: He's like, Allow me to be in a bad mood, I'm in a bad mood.
43:15
SPEAKER_00: And it's like he's like, because he's like, it's not like I'm out and about, like I'm at home in my own space.
43:19
SPEAKER_00: You should allow me to be in a bad mood.
43:22
SPEAKER_00: No, then I'm like, but don't that that shouldn't impact me.
43:24
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, but it's not.
43:25
SPEAKER_00: He's like, you're just being around me, and that's impacting you.
43:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
43:28
SPEAKER_00: But I think it's there's a gray area which we take.
43:30
SPEAKER_04: There's a fucking gray area, do you think?
43:31
SPEAKER_04: Because it's like, sorry, just literally fully interrupted you, but like it's it's something I think about a lot because it's like, you know, if you live with someone, you should be allowed to be in a bad mood.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you should be.
43:40
SPEAKER_04: And like that person shouldn't be trying to force you to be in a good mood.
43:44
SPEAKER_04: Like, no, like at the end of the day, you're different people, it doesn't mean anything about them.
43:48
SPEAKER_04: Like, you can be in a room, you can do be doing your own thing.
43:50
SPEAKER_04: Communicate it, whatever, say, like, by the way, I'm not gonna be very chatty today.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: But let's say they put this communication, yeah.
43:56
SPEAKER_04: But sometimes, because then it's a bit awkward, isn't it?
43:58
SPEAKER_04: Because like, you know, sometimes when you're you've been.
44:00
SPEAKER_04: For a breakup, and you've been in like the worst mood ever, and like you're just depressed, but then like after a certain period of time, you start feeling like maybe your mood is like affecting others, yeah.
44:13
SPEAKER_04: But then do you know what I mean?
44:14
SPEAKER_04: Because it's like that gray area of like, are you should you just at that point like make an effort?
44:19
SPEAKER_00: Well, I think that my thing that I used to do is before I met my partner, is I used to have the thing called blue, I call them blue periods.
44:25
SPEAKER_00: Um but when I was when I could feel myself going into this like not such good space, I would then just shut myself off for three days.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: And I think that was a really hard thing that when I started being in a relationship, is then him being like, This is normal, stop locking yourself away.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: Well being there.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: And I'd be like, Don't talk to me, like I'm just gonna be in bed, like da-and-he was like, just so you know this isn't normal, just because you're in a bad mood doesn't mean you can go to sleep for 60 hours.
44:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like getting up and eating, and then like he's like putting his ears to your nose, yeah, breathing.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, and it's like and it's one of those things, but I was like, But this is how it was my coping mechanism, was it and I felt in a bad place I would just kind of lock, I would isolate.
45:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think that wasn't healthy like at all.
45:06
SPEAKER_00: And it's like weird, I can't even fathom that I used to do that now.
45:09
SPEAKER_00: Because also I did but also I don't actually because I because I regulate myself better, I don't it was burnout ultimately.
45:15
SPEAKER_00: It's like I'm like, I'm great, I'm great, I'm great, I'm great, I will come to that, I'll come to that.
45:19
SPEAKER_00: Yes, that friend, I'll go to that, I'll go to that, I'll go to that, until I would basically have a burnout and then not be able to do anything.
45:24
SPEAKER_00: Whereas I think that was something he taught me that I had to be like, no, I will not, and like even if like I always still turn up to the most important things, but it's like if there is like a dinner and your friend's like, I can't wait to see you haven't seen it for like three months, if on that day like I'm slightly sick, or just like I'm not in a good place today, like I've had the worst day, as long as you're not like canceling last minute.
45:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but say if I just had a week of hell from work and like I there's a deadline's been shifted and I have to do this and that, just ring your friend and be like, I can't come tonight, I'm really sorry.
45:53
SPEAKER_00: 100%.
45:53
SPEAKER_00: Like, yes, it might not be that we can see each other for another two months.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: I physically, if I come tonight, I will rut you out.
45:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: But communicate again.
46:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I completely agree because I used to be again, I think it's like an AD I'll ADHD blame on the ADHD, but um I've been trauma trauma and ADHD.
46:09
SPEAKER_04: Uh complex trauma and ADHD and OCD.
46:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
46:12
SPEAKER_04: Um it's a fun trifecta.
46:14
SPEAKER_04: But anyway, I feel like I was always I was quite unreliable for a while.
46:18
SPEAKER_04: And I I that I know I literally had to get like I got into like trouble with my friends, and they were like basically just didn't trust that I would ever like be somewhere on time, and it became like a joke that I would like cancel last minute.
46:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and like I think having those like conversations made me realise like fuck, like I don't want to be that person, I don't want you to like be upset or to let anyone down.
46:40
SPEAKER_04: So like now, and then for a while I became like, oh, I have to go to everything.
46:44
SPEAKER_04: Like I cannot cancel, I can never cancel.
46:46
SPEAKER_04: Like that felt really like I was being bad or letting people down.
46:49
SPEAKER_04: So I feel like, yeah, again, like I've now finally got to a place where I'm like, the key is you can say no, just let them know in advance.
46:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's exactly nobody cares if you go, hey, I'm really sorry I can't.
47:00
SPEAKER_04: Like three days before hat.
47:01
SPEAKER_00: Three days before, even like the day before.
47:03
SPEAKER_00: I think it's like as long as you haven't basically the worst is, and I have done this a few times recently, when I've basically been sick, haven't cancelled because I didn't want to, and then cancelled like 4 p.m., 5 p.m.
47:13
SPEAKER_00: And the person's like, dude, why did you just not let me know?
47:16
SPEAKER_00: Because now it's like I've gone to work with like the change of clothes and this and that, or like and then it's like, and then if for them it's like that was just stressful because also they will put nine times on ten, they were like, I was exhausted.
47:27
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you told me down to cancel.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: I would have been down to cancel.
47:30
SPEAKER_04: There's nothing better.
47:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's nothing better.
47:32
SPEAKER_04: Absolutely nothing better.
47:33
SPEAKER_00: I literally get so excited when people cancel.
47:35
SPEAKER_04: Me too.
47:36
SPEAKER_00: But it's love is blind good, so it's it's really, really, really good.
47:39
SPEAKER_04: It's really good, and it's really interesting because they have all learned how to communicate so much better.
47:44
SPEAKER_04: I feel like we're so therapised now that like, you know, we all know how to like talk, blah, blah, blah.
47:48
SPEAKER_04: But there is like you can tell when there's like a bit of you can just fucking tell when there's like a character that's gonna have toxic traits.
47:57
unknown: Yeah.
47:57
SPEAKER_04: There's this one guy called Jack, okay, and he also has ADHD, so he's kind of like bringing bringing the neurodivergence side down, by the way.
48:06
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the neurospicy side.
48:08
SPEAKER_04: But he he you can tell that he is potentially gonna be a dick, but he's like so funny and jolly and like kind of happy go lucky that you're like, oh no, like hopefully he's not, and then anyway, in the pods, he's like dating these two girls, and then he kind of promises them the same things, he leaves the the pods being like, love you to both of them, and they're a bit like why is he saying that to both of us?
48:34
SPEAKER_04: Um, what this one girl that he like eventually chooses, he tells the other girl that he's like not gonna be with her.
48:41
SPEAKER_04: She actually sacks him off, but then he kind of tries to sort of like get in there first, and then he speaks about the other girl, and he's like, Well, you know, like me and Fran have like more chemistry anyway.
48:51
SPEAKER_04: But this girl's name is Faye, the one he's chosen.
48:54
SPEAKER_04: And she's like, Oh my god, like that's not even her fucking name.
48:57
SPEAKER_04: But do you think he was saying it to I think he's I think he's A, his brains all over the place, and B, those just names.
49:04
SPEAKER_04: I know me.
49:05
SPEAKER_00: Well, maybe not if I'm dating somebody.
49:07
SPEAKER_04: Like someone that you're gonna propose to.
49:09
SPEAKER_00: They propose it, they propose it and they propose it.
49:12
SPEAKER_04: No, no, I'm not saying that don't ruin it for people, but like in the show, because I'm not gonna be like, Yeah, in the show, and then they're engaged and they have to live together for a while, and then at the end they basically like are at the altar and they have to decide whether or not to go through the with the wedding.
49:24
SPEAKER_04: Um but but the craziest thing is so they're living, so then fast forward, he's living with Fran, aka Faye, and he's basically like, um, they all go out for like uh like a night out.
49:36
SPEAKER_04: Anyway, it's her birthday.
49:38
SPEAKER_04: The next day she he's meeting her parents and he's gonna ask her dad's permission to marry her.
49:43
SPEAKER_04: He puts her to bed at like 3 a.m.
49:45
SPEAKER_04: She wakes up in the middle of the night, he's not in bed.
49:49
SPEAKER_04: So she's like, What the fuck?
49:51
SPEAKER_04: Where is he?
49:51
SPEAKER_04: So she's walking around the house thinking maybe he slept on the sofa, he's nowhere to be found.
49:55
SPEAKER_04: She goes and finds my friends because she has someone find my friends.
49:58
SPEAKER_04: His location has stopped sharing with her.
50:00
SPEAKER_04: So he disabled his location sharing.
50:03
SPEAKER_04: She's calling him, texting him, he's not answering.
50:05
SPEAKER_04: She goes outside of the apartment, and by the way, sorry, spoiler alert.
50:10
SPEAKER_04: Halfway over it, yeah.
50:14
SPEAKER_04: But anyway, she goes outside looking around, he's nowhere to be found.
50:17
SPEAKER_04: Two hours later, he calls her and he's like, Oh, well, I just went on a walk.
50:20
SPEAKER_04: And she's like, at 4 a.m.
50:23
SPEAKER_04: He comes home in sliders, and he claims that he walked like two hours to West Ham in sliders, and then and then he's like, That's what I do, that's what I do.
50:34
SPEAKER_04: Like, if you don't trust me, that's on you.
50:37
SPEAKER_04: So like he starts like kind of gaslighting up, and you know, when you start looking at someone and you're like, oh fuck, I really wanted to like you, but like you just have these red flowers.
50:44
SPEAKER_00: Oh, so the thing is like with that, it's like I always think that if say like say, so let's say for the benefit of the doubt, he is telling the truth, yeah, you're never like if you're just like, it would tend to be like, oh my god, it is really weird what I do.
50:57
SPEAKER_00: I'm so sorry, like da, I'd be freaking out, blah, or something like that.
51:02
SPEAKER_00: But it's when people double down, they're like, that's on you, yeah, then I'm like, you're lying, you're gaslighting somebody.
51:07
SPEAKER_04: 100%.
51:08
SPEAKER_04: It's the defensiveness, isn't it?
51:09
SPEAKER_04: Like, if for example, like Marco woke up and you were just nowhere to be found, and then four hours at 4am, and four hours later you arrived home and like your Birkin stops and you claimed that you'd gone for a walk to the Isle of Docks.
51:20
SPEAKER_00: He would just be like, That's not true, and like but it is.
51:22
SPEAKER_04: You'd but you'd be like, Oh my god, sorry, I know it sounds completely mad.
51:25
SPEAKER_04: I just like really fancied a walk.
51:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like I just fancied a bagel at four in the morning.
51:29
SPEAKER_00: I actually definitely he'd be like, fair.
51:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, fair enough.
51:32
SPEAKER_04: But like, anyway, it's just and then and then he tried to claim that like his find my friends had just like stopped working.
51:37
SPEAKER_04: It's like honey, we all find my friends.
51:40
SPEAKER_04: No, that you have to fucking go on, stop the share.
51:42
SPEAKER_00: I also I'm sorry, I think five my friends is so toxic as a thing.
51:45
SPEAKER_00: Do you not do you not subscribe?
51:47
SPEAKER_00: No fucking way.
51:48
SPEAKER_04: That's like that's like Bella as well.
51:50
SPEAKER_04: She's like, I don't need anyone knowing my own case.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: I just think it's like an invasion of privacy.
51:53
SPEAKER_00: I don't need you to know where I am.
51:54
SPEAKER_04: I know, but I quite, it's also quite comforting.
51:56
unknown: No.
51:57
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, I reckon we should fucking bring this to a clip.
52:00
SPEAKER_04: Um let's wrap it up.
52:00
SPEAKER_04: And we actually really quickly before we wrap it up, can we just super, super quickly um talk about Love Juice Days?
52:06
SPEAKER_00: Love juice days.
52:08
SPEAKER_04: First of all, like you were fucking iconic.
52:10
SPEAKER_04: Um thank you.
52:11
SPEAKER_04: But literally, like, I can't believe how amazing you were at like presented.
52:16
SPEAKER_04: So me and my mum, my you you obviously you know my mum.
52:18
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like she would literally send me one of your videos like the moment it was uploaded.
52:22
SPEAKER_04: Do you remember when you used to do it in Chelsea?
52:24
SPEAKER_04: Do you be like, oh my god, Owen's back at the Chelsea ground?
52:28
SPEAKER_04: She's like, Oh, he's talking to football fans.
52:30
SPEAKER_04: Honestly, you were so good.
52:32
SPEAKER_04: Oh was it like scary?
52:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, the Chelsea one at points is terrifying.
52:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, but actually Chelsea, it's like I think I I break up quite like a toxic relationship with football, and like I'm like, oh my god.
52:43
SPEAKER_00: But the Chelsea ground actually was so fun.
52:45
SPEAKER_00: There was the one dad did in the Matthew Harding stand, which is like the like proper supporters, and it was a 5 p.m.
52:50
SPEAKER_00: kickoff, which for football people know is very different to like 11 pm or 11am or 3 pm kickoff.
52:55
SPEAKER_00: Because basically people drink from like 9am in the morning, so everything's wasted.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of like a club at like 4am.
53:00
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: But in the afternoon, it's like scary scary.
53:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, but no, the Chelsea, the Chelsea, it's like it actually was like it was actually quite a cathartic healing moment for me that like I was like, oh my god, these people are just jokes as well.
53:12
SPEAKER_00: It's like, yeah, their sense of humour and personality might be different, but they're really fun.
53:15
SPEAKER_04: No, the the love, the dating stuff was then like in the in so the like so hero of it all was that scary.
53:22
SPEAKER_00: The first few were terrifying.
53:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
53:24
SPEAKER_00: And then weirdly, when it kind of became a thing, yeah, it then became really fun.
53:28
SPEAKER_00: But it was always it's like anything, like the first five minutes, I would always be nervous.
53:32
SPEAKER_00: If I if you're not nervous or something, there's something slightly wrong, especially if you're gonna like and go and talk to a lone round of strange people on the street.
53:37
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
53:38
SPEAKER_00: And then there were a few there were a few things of like people just been quite rude.
53:42
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
53:42
SPEAKER_00: And I just put we because it was called Love Juice, we never put any of the rude bits in.
53:45
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:46
SPEAKER_04: Um and like people you'd approach or or the like day tees.
53:50
SPEAKER_00: No, some of the people we would interview, I'd be like, they'd be like, I don't like this, I don't like this, I don't like this, I don't like this, I don't like this, I don't like this.
53:56
SPEAKER_00: People like this are tragic, people like this are tragic, and I was like, I don't know if I want to help you.
54:00
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:01
SPEAKER_00: Because like this isn't what love juice is about.
54:04
SPEAKER_04: Um my god, and did you actually just find them on the street?
54:08
SPEAKER_00: So I would say at the very beginning everything was 100% authentic authentic.
54:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I would say it was kind of like 50% would then be authentic, and then like 30 to 40%, or like let's say 30% of it would be You'd find someone.
54:22
SPEAKER_00: We'd find them yeah, but they'd be people from on the street.
54:24
SPEAKER_00: Got you.
54:25
SPEAKER_00: So we'd we'd in I'd go, hey, are you single?
54:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
54:27
SPEAKER_00: They'd go, Oh, I can't do today.
54:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
54:29
SPEAKER_00: Because I tried to keep it as like actually authentic as possible because I think that was part of the charm of it.
54:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:34
SPEAKER_00: But then by the end, I would say like 20% of it people were, especially with a slab, like slab, celeb collabs.
54:40
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, um that's in advance on like the branding and stuff.
54:44
SPEAKER_03: And that was iconic.
54:45
SPEAKER_03: Who do you have?
54:46
SPEAKER_03: You had Cat.
54:46
SPEAKER_00: We had Cat Burns, we had Mabel, we had Grace Campbell.
54:50
SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
54:51
SPEAKER_00: And they they were all amazing.
54:52
SPEAKER_00: And I think that was I think it was really it was like I think that's what this is like when it says the hard work, and I think that's it's like not all reality in social media, so you look at like Chicken Shop Day and Amelia and all that stuff, insane.
55:02
SPEAKER_00: But it's also it's like the reason she did it's 10 years, and I know she's just stopped doing it now, but it's like there's a reason that she became this like cultural phenomenon because she sta stuck to her guns and did it for like ten years.
55:14
SPEAKER_00: And I remember I spoke to her at one point and was like, you know, I really love your advice, and she was like, All my advice is is just like keep doing what you're doing and keep just stick at it.
55:23
SPEAKER_00: Because there might be times it's like she's like, there was like a year or so where it was like wasn't really happening and da la-da.
55:28
SPEAKER_00: And then she's like, you just have these breakthrough moments, but she's like, it is through perseverance.
55:32
SPEAKER_00: I think that it's it's hard work.
55:34
SPEAKER_04: Do you know what?
55:34
SPEAKER_04: It's hard work, but I think it's also like being brave.
55:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you have to be brave.
55:38
SPEAKER_04: Do you know what?
55:38
SPEAKER_00: You know, we were like thick skinned or trying not that.
55:41
SPEAKER_04: No, like me neither, but like full circle.
55:43
SPEAKER_04: I love the I'll try to wrap up, but like funny getting into another full circle moment when we were talking about like your process and like all that happened.
55:51
SPEAKER_04: Um, but I was just it just made me laugh because like not making me laugh, but I I feel like first of all, something changed this year, like in the energy.
55:58
SPEAKER_04: Massively.
55:59
SPEAKER_04: The only thing I don't know whether it was a firewalls, I don't know whether it's like astrological, I don't fucking know what it is, but I felt this like palpable shift from being like, oh, like I'm gonna do that in a bit, I'm gonna do the thing like at some point, to this year being like, no, you're doing it now.
56:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you're doing it now.
56:16
SPEAKER_04: And then I just remember looking around being like, oh, like I'm so like envious of people who like do really cool things.
56:22
SPEAKER_04: And then I just suddenly had this realization, it's like obviously such an obvious thought, but I was like, the only thing differentiating any of these people and you is that they just did it.
56:30
SPEAKER_04: Did it.
56:30
SPEAKER_04: Isn't that crazy?
56:31
SPEAKER_00: But it is, it's it's I think that's it's it's you have to do it, and I think everybody has dreams, everybody has ideas.
56:37
SPEAKER_00: And I think I for ages was an ideas person.
56:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:39
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I've got ideas, I can give ideas to other people.
56:41
SPEAKER_00: I didn't do it.
56:42
SPEAKER_00: And I think that was the big thing that my husband taught me.
56:44
SPEAKER_00: It's like it's the obvious thing, it's like nobody's gonna do your dream apart from you.
56:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, nobody's gonna help you, people give you advice.
56:50
SPEAKER_00: If you if you don't do it, nobody's doing it.
56:53
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the thing, is like you've ultimately just gotta do it and just fuck up.
56:57
SPEAKER_04: Even if it's shit then, I think that's the thing.
56:59
SPEAKER_00: Because if it's shit next time, next one.
57:01
SPEAKER_04: Fucking next.
57:02
SPEAKER_00: And I think, especially now, and this comes back to this idea of social media and reality TV.
57:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the problem is it's like we record everything.
57:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
57:09
SPEAKER_00: So like in the past, it's like something that Jojo like now's delayed, kind of like meaning, yeah, right now JoJo.
57:17
SPEAKER_00: We love JoJo.
57:18
SPEAKER_00: Like shout out, Jojo.
57:19
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm obsessed with her.
57:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, but she does a really interesting um I think it's like a podcast, which is like kind of just like TikTok, um, Instagram series about this idea of autotune and all these things that now singers have become obsessed with everything being perfect because of this autotune or AI and all this stuff.
57:37
SPEAKER_00: That she was like, music used to be about the mistake, it used to be about the rawness, but now even the good singers are so scared to get something wrong because it's recorded and it's like it's recorded.
57:45
SPEAKER_00: But it's kind of we just live in this time of perfection that just isn't possible.
57:49
SPEAKER_00: No, and I think that's the thing is it's now it's like learning, and don't say it's like I can preach this because I love to preach today.
57:54
SPEAKER_00: Do I do any of it?
57:56
SPEAKER_00: Like, I do some of what I say, it's like I'm also like trying to do the things I say.
58:00
SPEAKER_00: It's like I'm I'm trying to be like this one man show that I'm gonna do the first few the either the first show I'm gonna do the work of progress is not gonna be perfect, that's the whole point of it.
58:09
SPEAKER_00: I might fuck up.
58:09
SPEAKER_00: There might be like one of the shows where like Merrill Street fucking comes and I forgot my lines, yeah, but like I'm sure like Merrill Street will probably come up to you afterwards and be like But like you'll survive it.
58:19
SPEAKER_04: You'll survive it regardless of what happens.
58:21
SPEAKER_00: And also they're probably and they're probably like well done for getting up.
58:23
SPEAKER_00: But I think that things I think now it's like the amount of time people are just like, I'm so proud of you for even doing this.
58:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, also like I don't know you agree with this, but like going back to like this idea of energy and like manifesting and like saying you're an artist or saying you're a writer, like by standing on that stage, you're putting the like energy out there that you are this, yeah, and like you can do it, and you trust and believe in yourself that you can do it, and stuff will start magnetizing towards you.
58:47
SPEAKER_04: I really believe that.
58:48
SPEAKER_00: No, I don't do, I understand do, but it's hard because it's also like with both of us, we've done so many different things, yeah.
58:53
SPEAKER_00: But I think that thing is also it's like sticking to your guns and doing one thing at one point because I will say I remember my mum being like you have to do one thing at one point, yeah, yeah, yeah.
59:02
SPEAKER_00: Even if it's a six months or three months, or like a day, yeah, as opposed to me being like, I'm gonna do this between eight and ten, this the ten to twelve, this twelve to one, and then I get to end day and I'm like, what did I achieve?
59:13
SPEAKER_04: Nothing, and also like it makes you feel like you're going mad.
59:16
SPEAKER_04: You can't do it, it's too much.
59:18
SPEAKER_00: No, no, I I completely agree with you.
59:20
SPEAKER_00: You just have to show up, show up to whatever it is, it's showing up.
59:23
SPEAKER_00: If you're doing like if you're doing a pub job 6 to 11 pm every night, you're also doing like another job twice a week to that, and then you're doing a creative thing around it.
59:33
SPEAKER_00: You just have to do that, you can't, and I think that's what I did at points is like I just I would do it all, and then you get to the crunch period, and then I'd be like, I've got to go to that friend's birth, and I've got to go to that friend's wedding, I've got to do this, and I've got to do that.
59:46
SPEAKER_00: And then suddenly there's not enough time.
59:48
SPEAKER_00: There's not there's not enough time.
59:49
SPEAKER_00: I've got to go to the gym, I've got to do this, I've got to there's not enough time in the day to do everything, so you've got to pick your battles and prioritise.
59:54
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, it's it's my my fucking mum was always test.
59:57
SPEAKER_04: But um that reminds me of something that David Sid, you know, David Sideris.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_04: He wrote a new book recently and he was doing an interview, and he was like, I basically he was like, did you know he was like a meth addict?
1:00:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he was a meth addict.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_04: Anyway, I think he was on how to fail, and he was like, one of my failures was I just wasted my entire twenties.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_04: He was like, I sat in a fucking basement in my parents' house, I didn't have any drive, I was addicted to meth, and I'm just so upset that like I didn't have those experiences.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_04: And he was like, I had so many friends like who I grew up with, he went to art school, and he was like, they were all amazing artists, amazing creators, but like they had the ideas, but they just didn't ever do anything with them.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_04: And he was like, I think what I realized too late, but I realized it was that if I want the things I want, I have to not be going to the parties, I have to be sat down at my fucking desk, committed to this.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's also interesting because it's like there was they're like everybody knows his name, he's like an amazing person.
1:00:50
SPEAKER_00: It's like, was it a mistake or what he did?
1:00:52
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's that that's something that frustrates frustrates me now.
1:00:55
SPEAKER_00: Is like I think people have sat with me and been like talked about themselves, maybe questioned some of my decisions in my 20s.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_00: And I think I'm just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, it's like I was like, did I make mistakes?
1:01:06
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_00: Do I regret anything?
1:01:08
SPEAKER_00: No.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't think I there's like maybe one or two things I regret, but also I'm like, those actually have led me to some of my biggest wins in life.
1:01:15
SPEAKER_00: Because, and this is what I'm kind of part of my one-man show, it's like to be the light you maybe want to be in the world, you've got to go through the dark.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_00: It's like Jung, it's like, it's like fucking like it's in the Bible, Jesus Christ.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Justin.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_00: Um it's like, it's in like all these ancient texts, it's like the darkness and the light, it's like from the void becomes the light and everything.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_00: It's like I think that's what you have to realize when you boil it down to like the very things, it's like nothing's a waste.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_00: I think that's like the panic that it's a the it's I've wasted my life.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_00: That does shut you down.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I am the biggest, biggest failure of that sometimes.
1:01:50
SPEAKER_04: Me fucking too.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_04: I honestly feel like I have to be honest, I feel I feel like that.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_04: I feel like my whole twenties was spent kind of skirting around things, like working, but not necessarily like I hadn't found the thing that I was like passionate about, and I feel like genuinely something's like locked in this year where I'm like, okay, now I know where the energy needs to go.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_00: 100% horse, fire horse is like fire horse.
1:02:14
SPEAKER_00: It's goat next year.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_00: Isn't it?
1:02:16
SPEAKER_00: And guess who's a goat?
1:02:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the greatest of all time, Deces.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_02: What are we doing?
1:02:23
SPEAKER_02: I'm sweating.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_00: I also want to I also want to pine girl.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_00: Let's get to the pub.
1:02:29
SPEAKER_00: Speaking of not partying.
1:02:31
unknown: Thank you.
1:02:33
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for having me on, gorgeous.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um, guys, watch Orien's one-man show.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_04: We'll be keeping you posted all the time.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_04: What in the audience?
1:02:41
SPEAKER_00: It's called Sticky Tommy Piddle.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_00: I will not be getting you sticky to me pudding.
1:02:46
SPEAKER_00: Look how great sticky tomb.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_02: The fucking ice cream have a sticky topic but it's anyway.
1:02:51
SPEAKER_02: Thank you guys.
1:02:52
SPEAKER_02: Thanks, guys.
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SPEAKER_03: Hello.
1:02:58
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1:03:02
SPEAKER_03: We can't come to the phone right now because we have better things to do.