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- 0:01My goodness, so many things are happening in the world of true
- 0:05crime right now. We've got so many things going
- 0:08on. We got the Banfield trial going
- 0:10on. We've got the Nick Reiner affair
- 0:14going on. We're still waiting to hear
- 0:16what's going on with Celeste Rivas.
- 0:18We're in the great pause there. But what we are hearing new news
- 0:23on right now is in the Monique and Spencer Tepi case.
- 0:28There is quite a bit that has happened while we were covering
- 0:32the break in the Alan Greenberg story.
- 0:36So we've got a lot to talk about tonight.
- 0:38Stick with me. This video contains mature
- 0:53themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
- 0:57Viewer discretion is advised. Well, hello there, my friend,
- 1:02and welcome back to another true crime conversation with me,
- 1:05Gavin Fish. Thank you very much for being
- 1:07here. Thank you for joining wherever
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- 2:01Bedford, PA South is Missouri Guys, thanks so much for for
- 2:05joining us. Today we are talking about the
- 2:09murders of Doctor Spencer and Monique Tepe, the 37 and 39 year
- 2:16old couple who were murdered in their home with their two
- 2:24children in the home with them, ages 4 and one.
- 2:30And boy, is this a case that has touched a nerve in all of us.
- 2:35Not only because just the tragedy of lives lost, Oh, my
- 2:42phone is ringing, but also because it appears that this is
- 2:49this is DV related. And I hate, I hate DV.
- 2:57You hate DV it, it is far too ubiquitous in our society.
- 3:04And it I think that there were red flags in this case.
- 3:09There were red flags. Now, that does not mean that the
- 3:13victims are to blame on any of this.
- 3:15They are not. The person who is to blame, at
- 3:18least according to police, is Michael McKee, the ex-husband of
- 3:26Monique Tepe. And we're going to get a little
- 3:29bit into tonight what family members are saying and what
- 3:36others are saying about the scary relationship that Monique
- 3:42had with Mr. McKee. And it started during their very
- 3:48short marriage. It's just yeah, beyond the pale.
- 3:54Let's bring up the Tempe's once again.
- 3:56We have got Orlando tuning in. We've got Bucks County,
- 4:01Pennsylvania, E Frisia from northern Germany.
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- 4:11Kentucky in here. In Lakeland, FL, we got
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- 4:18in. All right, what I want to start
- 4:21out with tonight is actually a press conference that was held
- 4:24yesterday. While we were talking about the
- 4:27amazing news in the Ellen Greenberg case, more was
- 4:31happening on this case. This this press conference was
- 4:37held. Let's see if I push the right
- 4:40button here. Yesterday it was live streamed
- 4:45on the City of Columbus's Facebook page.
- 4:50This is the chief of police. It's about a 12 minute, 12
- 4:56minute press conference. Now, as always, I can't control
- 5:00I I did bump up the audio a little bit.
- 5:02So it might be a little compressed, might be a little
- 5:03loud. So maybe check your headphones,
- 5:06check your check your earbuds so that I don't blare your ears out
- 5:10here. Let's go ahead and start see
- 5:13what the chief has to say or had to say yesterday.
- 5:17Here we go. Wanted to be able to bring you
- 5:21back because we let you know that when we have information
- 5:25we'd like to bring you back and talk about it.
- 5:26So just wanted to go over a little bit of the timeline.
- 5:30On December 30th, 2025, at approximately 10 Columbus Police
- 5:34patrol officers were dispatched to the 1400 block of N 4th St.
- 5:38on a well-being check. Officers arrived at scene and
- 5:41located the two adult victims suffering from apparent gunshot
- 5:44wounds. We now know that they were
- 5:47identified as Mr. Spencer Tepi and Misses Monique Tepi.
- 5:53Their two small children were also found in the resident
- 5:55physically unharmed. On January 10th, 2026,
- 5:59detectives filed warrants charging Michael D McKee, 39,
- 6:03with two counts of murder in the deaths of Spencer and Monique
- 6:06Tepi. Mr. McKee was arrested in
- 6:09Rockford, IL without incident. He's in currently incarcerated
- 6:13in the Winnipeg County Jail and awaiting extradition to
- 6:16Columbus. Hey I know in the video the
- 6:20audio and the video aren't perfectly synced.
- 6:23I know that kind of can be distracting, but this is the
- 6:28that's how the video is received.
- 6:30We believe at this point we have the person responsible for the
- 6:34murders of Monique and Spencer Tepe in custody and that person
- 6:38is Michael McKee. This is still an active and
- 6:42ongoing investigation. Detectives are still going
- 6:44through evidence, tips and videos.
- 6:47We can't speak to all the specific details related to this
- 6:49case so we don't want to jeopardize the ultimate goal of
- 6:53conviction. But what we can say this was a
- 6:56targeted attack, This was a domestic violence related
- 7:01attack. As we know McKee is the
- 7:04ex-husband of Monique Tepi. We can say that we have the
- 7:08suspect's vehicle on neighborhood video surveillance,
- 7:11arriving just before the murders and leaving shortly after
- 7:15detectives were able to link. I am curious how they know the
- 7:21when the murders happened. Now, some of you have
- 7:23speculated, and I think brilliantly so, that it could
- 7:25have been maybe they were wearing a Fitbit or an Apple
- 7:29Watch or some sort of watch that monitors heart rate.
- 7:34So it could be something like that.
- 7:35It could be surveillance or security footage that captured
- 7:42the gunshots, could be neighbors knew when it happened, something
- 7:45like that. But I'm curious, I will be
- 7:48curious to find out how they know that 3:52 AM time.
- 7:52This vehicle to McKee. The vehicle was located in
- 7:56Rockford, IL and evidence was found that showed McKee in
- 7:59possession of the vehicle before and after the homicides.
- 8:04We can also say that multiple weapons were taken from the
- 8:10property of McKee and there is a preliminary link from our NIBIN
- 8:16to one of the weapons that ties it to the homicides.
- 8:23I want to say that our detectives work around the clock
- 8:29to be able to solve this case, but it's equally important to
- 8:32know that while this is gaining national attention, we work
- 8:35around the clock to solve out all of our homicide cases.
- 8:38I'd like to bring the mayor up now to say a few words.
- 8:43Thank you, Chief, and thank you all for joining us this morning.
- 8:48I want to thank Chief Bryant, the women and men of the
- 8:51Homicide division who have done an incredible job on this case
- 8:56and so many other cases, 100 cases solved in 2025 because of
- 9:01their tireless work and professionalism and tips and
- 9:06information from the community that helped us achieve such
- 9:09incredible solve rates. I want to thank also members of
- 9:12the press for sharing timely information, including the video
- 9:15footage of the person of interest that we know now, Mr.
- 9:19McKee members of the community for supporting CP DS
- 9:23investigation and for continuing to pray and support the TEPI
- 9:28family, particularly these little children.
- 9:32Just one. Real quick, I just looked it up.
- 9:34Police reported, Columbus police reported their solve rate for
- 9:392025 was closing around 83% of the 84 homicides in the year by
- 9:47solving 70 cases plus they cleared dozens of older and cold
- 9:51cases. So when he says 100 cases,
- 9:54that's what he's talking about. It's and it is an extremely high
- 9:58clear rate. They they or solve rate Columbus
- 10:02PD is is doing very good work out there.
- 10:05The moment to express gratitude, grief and resolve, not only for
- 10:09myself, but for the entire Columbus community.
- 10:13Grateful to the Division of Police for their professionalism
- 10:17and persistence, and for their tireless work and collaboration
- 10:22that led to this arrest. You followed the facts and
- 10:27evaluated every credible lead with intentionality, integrity,
- 10:32and care for the victims and their families.
- 10:36I also want to thank members of the community who stepped
- 10:38forward with video footage and tips.
- 10:42Like so many cases CPD solved in 2025, the the public helped us
- 10:48work this case. You know, that is that is
- 10:54terrific and special. I mean, we had wondered how many
- 10:57videos were out there. We only saw the one video that
- 11:02they released, but that does not mean that's the only video they
- 11:05had. And and according to mayor, what
- 11:07is it more Mayor Ginther there He he said, you know, thanks to
- 11:12the public for for supplying those.
- 11:15They had put out AQR code and a link for anybody to upload video
- 11:20it. They didn't have to go out and
- 11:22get, you know, knock on doors and so forth.
- 11:27They use technology to just say, hey, if you have something, put
- 11:30it here. And I mean, that might mean that
- 11:33they miss on some things, but it made it so easy for the public
- 11:38to help. I just I don't know.
- 11:42I, I love it when I, when I see police forces working well with
- 11:48the public and communicating well.
- 11:50You know, the, the police chief there, what is, I forgot her
- 11:54name already. Columbus, OH, police chief, Her
- 11:58name is Elaine Bryant. So Chief Bryant, she went on
- 12:04television and did interviews and and she was very careful to
- 12:09say, Hey, I'm not going to give you all the information, but she
- 12:12said, why? Because I want there to be a
- 12:15successful prosecution here. And I'm worried that if we put
- 12:18out too much, we will jeopardize that.
- 12:20But what I can say. And so she communicated very,
- 12:24very well with the public, those of us.
- 12:26I mean, I live, I live close to Ohio, but I'm not a citizen
- 12:31there. But so many of us around the
- 12:33world, I mean, on this live stream tonight, we got Germany,
- 12:36Denmark, Great Britain, Canada. We probably have Brazil.
- 12:39I haven't checked on that one. But like Australia, we're all
- 12:43over the world. We're interested in this case.
- 12:45And they have done what I think is a terrific job in
- 12:49communicating well with the public to ensure that they catch
- 12:54the right guy. So kudos to them and kudos to
- 12:58the public right for caring and and sending in those tips.
- 13:04It's a clear example of how public safety is strongest when
- 13:07police and community are working together.
- 13:10Amen. I'm.
- 13:11Encouraged by the cooperation that continues to grow between
- 13:15our police and our residents, I pray this collaboration will
- 13:19help us prevent violent crime from happening in the 1st place.
- 13:24But it's also a powerful, powerful tool for solving crime
- 13:28when it does occur. The tips that were submitted in
- 13:33this case mattered, and I'm grateful to the residents and
- 13:37businesses who shared information.
- 13:41As she described, this was a targeted domestic violence
- 13:44attack that resulted in the deaths of two people.
- 13:48It irreccably changed the lives of their children, families,
- 13:53colleagues, and friends. Our hearts remain with Spencer
- 13:58and Monique, their loved ones, and especially the children
- 14:01impacted by this unimaginable loss.
- 14:04As this case now moves through the criminal justice process,
- 14:07we'll continue to respect this investigation and allow
- 14:11investigators and prosecutors to do their work, she said.
- 14:15We will not only we will not do or say anything that will
- 14:19compromise the likelihood of a conviction, one thing we can
- 14:24still offer this family is the best possible chance at a
- 14:29conviction and justice for this unspeakable crime.
- 14:35We could also continue to lift up this family in our thoughts
- 14:38and prayers. I will continue to lift up
- 14:43everyone of the 84 families that lost a loved one due to violence
- 14:48in 2025, and I know the Chief and Division of Police will too,
- 14:54and their thoughts and their actions.
- 14:57I know this case has taken on national interests, but I want
- 15:02to tell each of these families, these 84 families.
- 15:07CPD pursues every case with the same intensity, commitment, and
- 15:15resolve. Thank you all for being here.
- 15:17Thank. You, Sir, we'll take any
- 15:21questions at this time. Chief, can you comment on a
- 15:24motive in this case? I mean, why did he allegedly
- 15:26kill Monique and Spencer and also leave the children alive?
- 15:30At this time, we cannot comment on the motive.
- 15:33Again, part of the investigation did.
- 15:35You find that makes me wonder, do they know what the motive is
- 15:38and they're just not commenting on it?
- 15:41Or do they have any I? Maybe they just don't have any
- 15:44idea what the motive is. Any other evidence at his home
- 15:46in Lincoln Park? What I can tell you is that we
- 15:49did search his property and we have evidence, but I can't speak
- 15:53to any specific evidence. Can you tell us which?
- 15:57Police he arrested him and where he was taken into custody in
- 16:00Rockford sure this this case is a great example of partnerships.
- 16:07So our partners with Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, ATF,
- 16:10federal agents, took him into custody very close to his place
- 16:14of employment. The ATF, the ATF took him into
- 16:19custody. They brought in the feds for
- 16:22That's awesome. Tell us.
- 16:23About Mckee's whereabouts between.
- 16:27The day of the. Crime and the day he was picked
- 16:30up, part of the investigation, unfortunately, as we talked
- 16:34about, we are not able to share specifics, but what we can tell
- 16:37you is that we have evidence that he was there during that,
- 16:41during the time of the actual homicides.
- 16:44You said there were no signs of forced entry.
- 16:46Are you able to say any more about how we got into the house?
- 16:49Unfortunately, we're not able to talk about that at this moment.
- 16:52Is there any indication he had interactions?
- 16:54With the kids or the kids may have.
- 16:56Seen or heard anything at this point we don't have that
- 17:00information. Again, part of the
- 17:01investigation. There's just certain things we
- 17:03can't talk about. Well, do they not have the
- 17:05information or do they, or they just don't want to talk about
- 17:09it? I, I probably the latter, right?
- 17:13And good for them for protecting the investigation.
- 17:16I, as you guys know, I am a, I would rather air on
- 17:21transparency. Oops, my sleeve in there.
- 17:25I would rather air on the side of transparency.
- 17:30However, I agree with the chief on this one.
- 17:32We've got an arrest. They believe they've got the
- 17:34right guy and we don't want to jeopardize the success of the
- 17:40prosecution said that they had seen.
- 17:43McKee in the neighborhood and in front of the tepee home days
- 17:48before the homicide. Can you confirm that?
- 17:50I'm at this time we're unable to talk about specific information.
- 17:54But again, when we get additional information, we'll be
- 17:57more happy to share it to to the public.
- 17:59I know this is ongoing investigation.
- 18:01I don't know if you can say this, but obviously they were
- 18:03divorced. Are you able to say anything
- 18:05about their relationship after that divorce?
- 18:07It was in 2017. Were they civil?
- 18:10I know he had a second wife as well.
- 18:12Again, there is. The investigation is still going
- 18:16ongoing. Just understand we're still
- 18:17collecting information. We're still going through a lot
- 18:20of evidence and there's just some things that we can't speak
- 18:22to right now. Can you talk about?
- 18:24The extradition will you be going to Rockford and pick him
- 18:27up and when will that happen I'll.
- 18:28Let you speak to that. Sure.
- 18:31We have policy related to extraditions.
- 18:33Felony warrants out of state are primarily handled by extradition
- 18:38companies. And so the determination of
- 18:40whether or not it will be detectives from Columbus or an
- 18:45outside entity, likely an outside entity, but the
- 18:48logistics are being worked out as we speak.
- 18:50There are extradition companies. Has anybody ever heard that
- 18:54before? They're extradition companies,
- 18:59so when he's extradited there will be a company contracted to
- 19:05go and pick him up. Wow.
- 19:08Yeah, when that will happen. I don't know when that will
- 19:09happen. What kind of weapons did you
- 19:12find in his home? We can't speak to specific
- 19:15weapons, but we did recover multiple weapons from the home
- 19:19from from his property. How quickly was McKee a suspect?
- 19:23I know that family told us, they pretty much assumed that that it
- 19:27was that he was behind this, this crime.
- 19:30What I can tell you is that every piece of evidence, every
- 19:33tip that we received, we immediately began to investigate
- 19:37it. So I can't give you a specific
- 19:39timeline, but any information that came in was immediately
- 19:42evaluated and investigated. Are you able to say about how
- 19:46many tips you received? Obviously, people became really
- 19:49attached to this case. Do you know specific numbers?
- 19:54We don't have why we don't have it an exact number of the amount
- 19:58of tips that came in because some of them were the same or
- 20:01similar. So it was numerous and it was
- 20:04from multiple sources, which is greatly appreciated from the
- 20:07community, the media, the past, individuals that were
- 20:13knowledgeable and familiar with the family and in the residents
- 20:15of the area, which ultimately LED us to this day.
- 20:18Right now we. Have digital?
- 20:22Sorry, go ahead. We know digital forensics and
- 20:24DNA play a big role in investigations.
- 20:26These days. But it doesn't.
- 20:27Happen in 60 minutes with commercial breaks.
- 20:29Is there any sense of the timeline of when some of that
- 20:32information will become available to you guys through
- 20:34that testing? We're continue, we're
- 20:37continuously looking for information, waiting for
- 20:39information. Unfortunately, we can't give you
- 20:42a specific timeline, but we're we're continuously working to
- 20:45get that information in the family mentioned that Monique
- 20:48previously said that. That was a terrific question.
- 20:53You know, what it, what's it going to look like as far as
- 20:56when are you going to be able to get digital forensics in?
- 21:01In my experience, by the way, large companies, cell phone
- 21:05companies, data brokers, data providers, they are very, very
- 21:10quick to, to respond to subpoenas.
- 21:16I've seen it as quickly as same day from companies like Google,
- 21:21Apple, things like that. But I would imagine that a lot
- 21:26of that, a lot of that digital forensics is going to take
- 21:30probably weeks to come in. Now if they have his cell phone,
- 21:33then the question is, is it unlocked?
- 21:35Do they have actual access to it?
- 21:38You know did because he he may have to turn over his cell
- 21:41phone, but he does not have to unlock it.
- 21:43And if he's got a modern smartphone and he's got
- 21:48relatively good security on it, they may or may not be able to
- 21:53get into it. Sellbrite dumps for a modern
- 21:57phone that's like a TB of data could take a couple of days to
- 22:01to download. He had been abusive towards her
- 22:05in the past. Was there any evidence or
- 22:06indication of that prior to this incident?
- 22:09What I can tell you is that we did not have any reports.
- 22:12So we did not have any information related to any type
- 22:15of incidents regarding the ex-husband and and Monique Can.
- 22:19You tell us. If Nikki and Missus Tepe had any
- 22:22contact leading up to this incident, months, weeks.
- 22:26Any stalking concerns there? Again, what we can share with
- 22:31you, we are sharing with you. There are some things that we
- 22:33can't share for investigative purposes, but what I can tell
- 22:37you again is that we didn't have any reports or anything linked
- 22:40to that specific location. As it relates to the ex-husband
- 22:43and Monique Tepe, do you believe he's the person in the video
- 22:46that you shared, the person of interest?
- 22:49I we didn't. OK, the the question there was
- 22:53the person in the video, the person of interest, do you
- 22:56believe that is Mr. McKee? She said.
- 22:58We do. Thank you everybody.
- 22:59Thank you. Thank.
- 23:01You all right that is the end of that let's go over let's bring
- 23:07up the tepis here and we will go over to your comments.
- 23:11I love reading your comments. Just remember to put GF in the
- 23:14comments so that I can see it. Let's see, the Meg 27 says they
- 23:24could know the time because when you unlock a smart lock in the
- 23:26app, it tells you what time it was unlocked.
- 23:29That is, if he knew the code. Yeah, excellent, man.
- 23:33We've got some. We've got some good citizen
- 23:35detectives here. Yeah.
- 23:36It could be something like that where the logging of the door
- 23:41opening, it may not just log when it was unlocked, but if
- 23:48it's been opened, like open from the inside without using the
- 23:51keypad or something like that. You're right.
- 23:53Very good yarn Chicken. Kim says basically something
- 23:58similar. They had smart locks on their
- 24:00doors. Perhaps the time of death was
- 24:02also determined based on when the door was breached.
- 24:04If it was at least the time the key was there may have been
- 24:09narrowed down. Yeah.
- 24:10Very, very good. Good job.
- 24:13Hello from Scotland, Polly. Glad you're here.
- 24:17Robin says. The guy was basically not able
- 24:19to be found about a month before he committed the crime.
- 24:22Yeah. And I had read that he he kind
- 24:27of had been trying to evade being served on a medical
- 24:34malpractice suit to the guy was the guy was in hiding.
- 24:38I think maybe his life was just, you know, kind of falling apart.
- 24:45Liz, Karen says, can this be classified as premeditation due
- 24:48to the length of the journey alone?
- 24:50Yeah, I think that that will be presented by prosecution, right?
- 24:54Because one of the elements of murder of, of, you know, like
- 25:00murder 1 is premeditation. Now you guys know, because you
- 25:04guys are awesome, that premeditation doesn't have to
- 25:07happen over a long period of time.
- 25:09There's no minimum time for premeditation.
- 25:13It could be in the moment when they decide I'm going to do
- 25:18this. But in this case where he
- 25:20traveled long and far and the the belief, well, I guess this
- 25:27is more rumor hasn't been confirmed by police, but
- 25:30neighbors have said that they have they had seen him in the in
- 25:34the neighborhood. So yeah, not only I think that's
- 25:39going to be one of the elements where they're going to be able
- 25:41to say, yeah, he he drove here for this.
- 25:45He planned it out. He figured out when he was going
- 25:49to do it. I'm sure another component of
- 25:52that element will be how he got into the residence without there
- 25:56being a sign of forced entry, right?
- 25:59He planned it, got the code or or used guys, don't use don't
- 26:06use those kind of smart locks that can be easily overcome just
- 26:11by using like neodymium magnets. Everybody should watch lock
- 26:14picking lawyer. They're they're like 3 minute
- 26:17videos whenever they come out, watch lock picking lawyer
- 26:20because so many of those smart locks are just trash.
- 26:24But anyway, I think that they'll be able to use multiple
- 26:27components to prove that he that he planned it that this was
- 26:34premeditated. Now they're also going to have
- 26:36to prove consciousness of guilt, right?
- 26:40Well, I don't know that they that they must prove that, but I
- 26:44think it is at least in the state of Pennsylvania, they,
- 26:48they use that to to prove premeditated homicide.
- 26:55So what were his actions later? Did he change license plates?
- 26:59Did he change the direction of travel?
- 27:02Did he, you know, did he change his behaviors?
- 27:06Is, is he aware that he did something wrong?
- 27:10All right, Speaking of like Nick Reimer, Reiner, is he is he
- 27:14aware? I hadn't heard that he had a
- 27:17second wife either Polly and somebody else saying he did not
- 27:23have a second wife. So yeah, I looks like that has
- 27:28been corrected. OK.
- 27:30He does have out outstanding cases in Nevada and I think that
- 27:34might be related to the civil case, to the medical malpractice
- 27:41case, Sandy says. Thanks for cutting my hair.
- 27:44I have not cut my hair. I have it back in a ponytail.
- 27:50I think I'm going to have to keep guys.
- 27:52I trimmed my hair because I I couldn't take it anymore.
- 27:56It was all like split ends and bad on the end.
- 28:00And so that added months on to having to having to grow it out.
- 28:06Yep, wearing a ponytail Mermaid Mary RN, says Gavin.
- 28:10People wondering how he could get code to house with his sharp
- 28:13intellect. He could have hacked into their
- 28:15keyless entry app and unlocked himself.
- 28:18Yeah, I I mean, yeah, it's possible.
- 28:23And you know, I can't tell you how many people and.
- 28:29And it's not just our beloved senior citizens like where you
- 28:33would expect it. I just can't tell you how many
- 28:35people I know that don't have real security on their digital
- 28:38devices. They don't have it.
- 28:42If you should be using pass keys, you should be using
- 28:45authenticator apps. You should be using, you know,
- 28:5122 factor authentication on everything.
- 28:55If if she just had something, you know, a password that she'd
- 29:00been using forever since they were married and he knew it, he
- 29:03could have logged into her Gmail or something.
- 29:05There's lots of different ways that that a person can get into
- 29:11another person's account. So, and I mean, you're, you're
- 29:15probably asking yourself why, like what expertise do you have
- 29:18in this? Gavin, this very day, just
- 29:22today, I helped a family get into the digital account of
- 29:28their loved one who has been passed away for several years.
- 29:32And it took me all of about 20 minutes.
- 29:36So yeah, lock these things down, guys.
- 29:39Have two factor authentication. Use passwords that are hard to
- 29:43guess. Change your passwords
- 29:44frequently. Use authenticator on on your
- 29:48apps, Use passcodes. Don't don't let people in.
- 29:52And I'm not saying that money did this.
- 29:54I'm saying there's so many possibilities for a person that
- 29:58has just just the basic level of technical expertise.
- 30:04So yeah, it's, it's possible that he just he got into her,
- 30:11you know, her, her account and added his had added another
- 30:16e-mail in order to get access to the app itself.
- 30:20He could get in. Yeah, they're just and those
- 30:23most, most smart like keypad entries that you buy on the
- 30:28regular market are really unsecure anyway.
- 30:33Like if you just go to Amazon and buy a neodymium magnet, you
- 30:37can defeat those because what they, they use what, what is
- 30:42the, what is that little device called?
- 30:45Well, they, I can't remember the name of the device right now,
- 30:49but they use a basically a switch inside them that lock and
- 30:55unlock and it's, it's electric, right?
- 30:59So if it's, if, if it's got negative polarity, it'll go one
- 31:03way. If it's got positive polarity,
- 31:05it'll go the other way. And in order to move those, they
- 31:10use Electro magnets in them. So you can defeat them by just
- 31:13putting a very powerful magnet in the right spot and it's open.
- 31:17So yeah, if you're going to use smart locks, guys, don't
- 31:23everybody subscribe to lock picking lawyer.
- 31:25OK, Just please do it. Let's see, Robin says.
- 31:31Sometimes during these pressors, they remind me of the interviews
- 31:34they do with athletes after the game.
- 31:36Same lines, same vagaries, same kind of same hidden or answers.
- 31:41You need to read between the lines.
- 31:43Yeah, you're right, You're right.
- 31:45But the, the reporters there, typically they know the answer
- 31:51to the question is going to be we can't comment, but they have
- 31:54to ask the question anyway in order to include it in their
- 31:57article. You know, we asked what weapons
- 32:02were in were found in the home. Police could not comment.
- 32:05You know they they have to do that.
- 32:09Lynn Taylor says if they were smartwatch to sleep, it might
- 32:12tell you when his or her his aunt, her heart stopped.
- 32:14I I agree. Can they extract the information
- 32:20from his phone if it's locked? It depends on the phone.
- 32:24So if it is an Apple device that's somewhat modern, yeah,
- 32:33very good luck. No, it it the answer is almost
- 32:36always no. The amount of you can't even use
- 32:41brute force on them. And sometimes it, it takes years
- 32:44to get into those things. It doesn't even have to be super
- 32:48modern, like past an iPhone 4. It's very, very hard to get in
- 32:54to them. They are, they use very, very
- 32:57good encryption on Google devices because it's an open
- 33:02chipset. the IT really depends on the implementation of the
- 33:08Android operating system. There are so many different
- 33:10versions of it and used by lots of different manufacturers.
- 33:15Some of them are, again, it's an open operating system.
- 33:18And so it really depends and sometimes if there is encryption
- 33:24on an Apple device that would prohibit them from getting in if
- 33:30it were Apple, they can get in by doing what's called a chip
- 33:34off procedure where they actually take the memory device
- 33:37out of off of the circuit board, place it into a different
- 33:42circuit board and get into it that way.
- 33:44There it just the answer is it depends.
- 33:47It's it takes it takes a certain amount of expertise for sure.
- 33:55Refresh here real quick, Mooney says.
- 34:00I really hope these are state charges, not fed.
- 34:02This creep doesn't deserve club fed it.
- 34:04It appears to me that they're state charges.
- 34:06I mean, this is a murder charge. I I think they just used the
- 34:09feds, which was surprising to me that they used ATF to arrest
- 34:14him. I mean, they they could have
- 34:17used probably local cops in the Chicagoland area as well.
- 34:22I don't I don't think this is going to be federal at all.
- 34:24Oh, but Mooney, yeah, now now I'm it there might be a federal
- 34:32component, right. It depends like if he was cyber
- 34:35stalking her, if he was, you know, engaged in some kind of
- 34:41other federal crime. I just but I don't think that
- 34:46that would supersede murder 1. Any lawyers in the in the crowd?
- 34:50Let us know what you think. They're carrots and other veg,
- 34:54says Gavin. He did have a second wife.
- 34:56Emily D Baker found the court filings.
- 34:59He was married weeks after the Monique divorce, then divorced
- 35:03in IIRCI. Don't know that. 2022.
- 35:12OK. Emily D Baker for the win.
- 35:15See if there's anything else. Yeah, you guys are Archangel
- 35:23goes Yeah, after I watched lock picking lawyer I trust no lock.
- 35:27Yeah, there there are a few that are very good like they can
- 35:30still be defeated, but but not by the average person.
- 35:33Like I'm a beginner, very beginner out of practice lock
- 35:39picker. It's fun to do, but there are
- 35:40some locks that are just like easy and so many that you would
- 35:46buy from Home Depot or Lowe's or your Walmarts, your Targets,
- 35:51your big box stores that are just embarrassingly easy to
- 35:55open. Liz Karen says when asked if
- 36:00there had been evidence of stocking, the chief said there
- 36:02had been no activity between the ex and Monique, but didn't say
- 36:05anything about the ex and the husband.
- 36:07Well, she was careful to say that they didn't have any
- 36:10reports. She said we don't have any
- 36:13reports of that, but there still could be other evidence that
- 36:17there was and but also Liz Karen that that is a very good point
- 36:23that maybe there maybe there was some animosity between the two
- 36:28men possible LL Coolbeen 4935 Remember she said they found
- 36:37other weapons on his property. That's why the ATF.
- 36:39Yeah, possibly. That's it.
- 36:42Possibly. I just, I think they could have
- 36:45used all sorts of different, you know, partner law enforcement
- 36:52agencies to do it. If when she says other weapons,
- 36:57does she mean other guns? Is this guy that had, is this a
- 37:00guy that had an artillery or is this a guy that also had like
- 37:04brass knuckles and nunchucks? You could say my house has many
- 37:09weapons, but it's really not that.
- 37:12It's not like I have an Armory in my basement or anything like
- 37:15that. I'm just the average, you know,
- 37:17Pennsylvanian with, with firearms.
- 37:19So some, but maybe you're right. Maybe you're right.
- 37:24He crossed state lines and had weapons.
- 37:26Doesn't that make it easier to be a federal case?
- 37:29As far as as far as I know, though, I don't think that there
- 37:34are federal murder statutes. If there is, let's look that up.
- 37:41Are there federal murder statutes?
- 37:51Yes, there are federal laws against murder, primarily
- 37:54defined in 18 US Code subsection 1111.
- 37:58But federal jurisdiction usually applies only when a killing
- 38:02involves specific federal interests, such as crimes on
- 38:05federal property against federal officials across state lines, or
- 38:12during other federal crimes like kidnapping or terrorism.
- 38:17Otherwise murderers prosecuted under state law.
- 38:20Federal murder statutes cover first degree premeditated felony
- 38:23murder and 2nd degree murder, with penalties including life
- 38:27imprisonment or the death penalty in certain cases.
- 38:29But state laws handled most everyday homicides, so maybe
- 38:33state lines crossing state lines could qualify.
- 38:39But I think that if we if this were a federal crime we would
- 38:42hear, we would have members of like the US Attorney's office or
- 38:47something like that announcing the arrest, not the local
- 38:51Columbus PD. I'm pretty confident that this
- 38:54is going to stay on the state level.
- 38:58Cooler by the lake. I wonder if law enforcement has
- 39:00talked to the second wife. It seems there was another
- 39:03speedy divorce in that marriage as well.
- 39:05She could possibly provide some interesting testimony.
- 39:08I think you're right. Ananya Mouse, Gavin, I believe
- 39:11the chief said they didn't have reports of contact from the ex
- 39:14at that address. Oh, you're right.
- 39:16And that is a. That is a important qualifier
- 39:19for sure. Yeah.
- 39:23So a lot going on in this case, guys.
- 39:28A lot going on in this case. Oh, but I don't want to just
- 39:31move on because I have something else that I want to read to you
- 39:34here. Well, this is a report.
- 39:39Let me bring it up for you from oxygen.com.
- 39:44Quote. She was terrified.
- 39:45Monique Tepe's Family Says Ex threatened her during Marriage
- 39:52Written by Jill Cederstrom Monique Tepe's brother-in-law is
- 39:56speaking out about the alleged torment she suffered during her
- 40:00brief marriage to David or Michael David McKee.
- 40:03An Illinois surgeon accused of gunning down his ex Monique Tepi
- 40:07and her husband Spencer Tepi in their Ohio home had allegedly
- 40:10threatened her life on quote multiple occasions close quote
- 40:14during their brief marriage, according to her family.
- 40:18Michael David McKee is now facing charges of aggravated
- 40:20murder in connection with the deadly December 30th shootings,
- 40:24which took place just days after Monique and Spencer had
- 40:27celebrated their 5th wedding anniversary.
- 40:29Monique's family said they suspected Michael may have been
- 40:33involved in the shootings, which took place at the couple's as
- 40:36the two as the couple's two young children slept.
- 40:40Given his alleged pass with Monique.
- 40:44Oh yeah, that that's an interesting written sentence.
- 40:48Let me let me read it this way. Monique's family said they
- 40:50suspected Michael may have been involved in the shootings given
- 40:54his alleged past with Monique. The shootings took place as the
- 40:59couple's two children slept. Quote she was terrified because
- 41:04he had threatened her life on multiple occasions when they
- 41:06were married, Spencer's brother-in-law Rob Misla told
- 41:10NBC News, continuing the quote. She wasn't shy about talking to
- 41:14people about dramatic experiences that she had with
- 41:16her ex and just how emotionally abusive he was to her.
- 41:20It affected her to this day. Michael and Monique were married
- 41:25in 2015 but only lived together for a brief time before
- 41:28separating and later divorcing in 2017, citing incompatibility
- 41:33in their divorce records. Mizla, who was married to
- 41:36Spencer's sister, added in comments to ABC News that
- 41:39Monique had been a very strong person.
- 41:43Quote, myself and many others were well aware of kind of the
- 41:46negative impact that he had on her and the abuse that he put
- 41:50her through, the torment that he put her through.
- 41:51He said she was willing to do anything to get out of there.
- 41:55Mislis said he was unaware whether Michael had made any
- 41:58recent threats to her life, telling NBC News, quote, if any
- 42:02of us had known these threats were grounded and a possibility,
- 42:05we would have acted differently. close quote, Police have not
- 42:10commented on the family's allegations of emotional abuse.
- 42:14oxygen.com reached out to the Winnebago County Public
- 42:17Defender's Office for comment but received no immediate
- 42:20response. And then it reports on the press
- 42:23conference that we just watched. So the family is speaking out.
- 42:29They're speaking out about this guy who they say Monique said
- 42:36was a man who engaged in DV in their home in their brief, brief
- 42:44marriage. So I think we're probably the
- 42:48next thing that's going to happen in this case is probably
- 42:51the extradition and that after the extradition we'll probably
- 42:56see either a preliminary hearing or a grand jury.
- 43:00And then we go into the great hiatus where we hear nothing for
- 43:04ages and ages and ages. But we want to keep our finger
- 43:09on the pulse of this case. We want to, we want to make sure
- 43:11that and I, I will say this, the police say that he's the man who
- 43:16did it for us, for me. I'll speak for me.
- 43:20I will say he is alleged to have done it by police.
- 43:24If he did do it, we want to ensure that he never sees the
- 43:27light of day ever again. And I will be very interested in
- 43:31the evidence that they put together in this case.
- 43:34That's what I have for you guys on the case.
- 43:36Let us, shall we? Let's move on over to three
- 43:41questions. Wow.
- 43:50OK, in this segment, if you are new here, what I do is I answer
- 43:543 questions, very simple. All you have to do, and they're
- 43:57questions from you. All you have to do is e-mail me
- 44:00threequestions@gavinfish.com, spell it out.
- 44:03THREE questions at gavinfish.com.
- 44:05I don't get all that many, maybe 1 e-mail a day.
- 44:09Sometimes they have multiple questions in them which you're
- 44:11happy. You're welcome to do is send me
- 44:13one question, send me 100, I don't care.
- 44:15But what I will do is I will answer 3 questions from the
- 44:19audience and I solemnly promise to do the my very best to
- 44:27honestly and completely answer your question.
- 44:30So the first question tonight, push the right button.
- 44:36Gavin asks. Have you ever had to teach one
- 44:38of your adult children tough love?
- 44:43No, no, I haven't. Our children, I think, like many
- 44:50children, turn from being the world's most sweetest, most
- 44:59sweetest. Is that what the world's
- 45:01sweetest, most caring, most loving child into a monster on
- 45:08about their 13th birthday? And I joke that usually I think
- 45:15what is happening is aliens are abducting our sweet children and
- 45:19putting in their place doppelgangers that are the worst
- 45:22and and then that process reverses on their 14th birthday
- 45:27for all three of our adult children.
- 45:30That has been the pattern. When they turn 13, you're just
- 45:32like, Dang it dude, I am having a hard time with you.
- 45:37And we've got a 12 year old that will be turning 13 this year.
- 45:41So looking forward to that. But no, I haven't had to to I
- 45:48guess give dole out tough love to our adult children.
- 45:53They are all terrific. I don't think that my parents
- 45:56have had to dole out the tough love to me.
- 45:58I think I I learned pretty darn early as well not to be a dill
- 46:04hole to my parents. So if if you're the one that
- 46:08sent me this and you are going through this, man, I feel for
- 46:11you. I don't know what to do.
- 46:12I don't know what to tell you. Parenting is hard.
- 46:17And the older we get, the older they get it.
- 46:20It doesn't get any easier. You think that once they're
- 46:22grown. But yeah, here's The thing is
- 46:28that like with our kiddos, I don't know, I, I don't know how
- 46:36to how to communicate this. But for example, we have a
- 46:39daughter and son-in-law who live a state away and are chasing
- 46:44their dreams. And, and we're so happy for them
- 46:48and we're very proud of them and the choices they're making, how
- 46:51hard they're working, how well they're teaming up with one
- 46:53another. But they are now their own
- 46:57family. We are no longer their primary
- 47:01family. They are to each other, their
- 47:04primary family. And so we have at least I have
- 47:07in my heart, kind of settled into the role of being second
- 47:11fiddle. And I'm completely comfortable
- 47:13with it because they're such good kids, right?
- 47:16I think it might, I might feel differently if if they were a
- 47:19little more challenging, but they're awesome.
- 47:22So, yeah, sorry, I can't, I can't help with that question #2
- 47:28Do you believe everything needs closure or do you think some
- 47:31mysteries are meant to stay unknown?
- 47:34I think the latter. I, there are some that I would
- 47:39like closure on, especially if we're talking crime, right?
- 47:43I, I want closure on the Ellen Greenberg case.
- 47:48I, I don't think that there will ever be justice.
- 47:50I don't think there's justice on any homicide or SA case.
- 47:55I don't think justice exists. I think that we get as close as
- 47:58we possibly can and it is still light years away from what
- 48:02actual justice would be. But there are other things that
- 48:07I think those mysteries should should exist.
- 48:13For example, I, I like that no matter how much faith you have
- 48:19and no matter how much you think you know what is going to happen
- 48:24when you are moments away from taking your last breath, you
- 48:28don't know, you don't know what's about to happen next.
- 48:32And I think that that makes life beautiful.
- 48:35I also, of course, that's just my opinion, but I also, for
- 48:41example, I to this day, I'm 50 years old and my wife and I have
- 48:46been married 26 years. We just took a trip to New York
- 48:50earlier this month to visit our our children out there and I
- 48:56learned new things about my wife.
- 48:59I've spent more than half of my life with her and I learned new
- 49:07things. And I think that is beautiful.
- 49:09So I think that some mysteries are meant to stay mysterious.
- 49:15I'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments, guys.
- 49:18That's why I do this segment before I do headlines.
- 49:20So it gives you a little bit of time.
- 49:22You can, you can decide what you want to, how you would answer
- 49:25these. And, and I love reading it.
- 49:29Third question, what's a food or snack you loved as a kid that
- 49:33you don't care for at all now? Oh, you know, I, I don't think 1
- 49:44exists that I loved as a kid, that I don't care for, that I
- 49:48wouldn't enjoy. Now.
- 49:50I'm just such a sentimental and nostalgic guy that, you know,
- 49:53when I was a kid, we had candy cigarettes.
- 49:55They came in like they look like cigarette packages.
- 49:59You open them up, you'd pretend you're like hitting it out and
- 50:02you, you pull it out and you would even like put it in your
- 50:06mouth and you could blow through it and a little bit of dust
- 50:09would come out. You thought you were so cool
- 50:10doing this whole thing. I think that is horrifying.
- 50:16However, I think if I had a candy cigarette right now, I'd
- 50:20probably eat it. I think.
- 50:21I think they were delicious. My my favorite things when I was
- 50:28a kid were Swedish Fish, which I really enjoy to this day.
- 50:34You're going to maybe roll your eyes at this one, but chocolate
- 50:38licorice. I love chocolate licorice.
- 50:43Twizzlers makes a pretty good chocolate licorice here in the
- 50:46United States. It's not super popular, so it's
- 50:48not everywhere, but you can get it.
- 50:50But when I was a kid, there were, there were like candy,
- 50:56like they were like bespoke candy companies that would make
- 50:59these chocolate licorice And my grandmother would get her hands
- 51:01on it and she'd have like a stash of it and she'd bring it
- 51:05out every once in awhile. And we'd have, I loved that.
- 51:08And then, you know, the kind of lollipops suckers that were were
- 51:13made out of like the same stuff as Smarties.
- 51:16And they were, they were two colors.
- 51:18It was usually like yellow on top and red on the bottom.
- 51:22And when you lick them, they became more vibrant.
- 51:25But they basically were just a smarty on a stick, a giant
- 51:28smarty on a stick. I loved those.
- 51:30So yeah. And then when it comes to like,
- 51:34I want to, I want to know what you guys, what you guys liked as
- 51:38kids and if you still like them today.
- 51:39But oh, what was the other one? Oh, like, is there anything more
- 51:45delicious than Cap'n Crunch Crunch Berries?
- 51:48I haven't had it in probably 10 years, but it is so crunchy that
- 51:55it lacerates the top of your mouth.
- 51:57So not only do you get that hyper sweetness, but you get a
- 52:01little bit of that iron from your own blood, your bleeding
- 52:04mouth, and somehow it's the world's perfect taste.
- 52:11But those are your three questions.
- 52:15Go ahead And well, first of all, send me your questions.
- 52:18I will endeavour my best to answer them.
- 52:21And while you guys are answering those questions in the live
- 52:25chat, let's move on to headlines.
- 52:35True crime headlines, True crime headlines.
- 52:37Here we go guys. We finally got a little bit of
- 52:42an update. I've been, I've been searching
- 52:46every day for news on Rebecca Harrow and this came out
- 52:50yesterday. Jake Harrow has been transferred
- 52:53to state prison and Rebecca Harrow is due back in court.
- 52:59This brought to us by KESQ Channel 3 written by Garrett
- 53:03Hoddle dateline San Luis Obispo, CA News channel 3 has confirmed
- 53:08that Jake Mitchell Harrow convicted in the 2025 killing of
- 53:11his seven month old Emmanuel. Let me I know that I have it
- 53:16here somewhere here we are there is.
- 53:20Emmanuel Harrow is currently housed at California Men's
- 53:25Colony in San Luis Obispo. Haro was transferred from Wasco
- 53:31State Prison where he was first sent following his sentencing
- 53:34last fall. Haro pleaded guilty in October
- 53:372025 to charges related to Emmanuel's death and was
- 53:40sentenced to 25 years to life in state prison.
- 53:42His wife and Co defendant Rebecca Renee Haro, here she is,
- 53:48continues to fight the charges. She remains in custody at the
- 53:51Robert Presley Detention Center in Riverside and is scheduled to
- 53:56appear in court on January 21st, 2026 for a felony settlement
- 54:01conference. The remains of Baby Emmanuel
- 54:05have still not been found. So we're about a week out.
- 54:10A little less than a week out until her next court appearance
- 54:14and we will see what happens there.
- 54:16I'm glad that Jake is that Mister Harrow is imprisoned,
- 54:22hopefully for the rest of his life.
- 54:25Next headline for you I got comes from the New York Times.
- 54:29Nick Reiner was in a mental health conservatorship in 2020.
- 54:36Nick Reiner has been charged with the murder of his parents,
- 54:38Rob Reiner and Michelle Singer. Reiner was placed into a year
- 54:41long mental health conservatorship in 2020,
- 54:44according to two people with knowledge of the legal
- 54:46arrangement. A clerk with the LA Superior
- 54:49Court said the conservatorship ended in 2021.
- 54:52Stephen Baer, A licensed fiduciary who was appointed as
- 54:55the conservator for Mr. Reiner, said mental illness, quote, is
- 54:59an epidemic that is widely misunderstood and this is a
- 55:02horrible tragedy. close quote. Both people declined to provide
- 55:05further details about the arrangements, citing
- 55:07confidentiality. The revelation of the
- 55:10conservatorship underscores the severity of the mental health
- 55:13challenges Mr. Reiner faced in recent years, issues that are
- 55:17likely to be central to his legal defense.
- 55:21Talks about Rob Reiner. If Nick Reiner was convicted or
- 55:27were convicted of two counts of first degree murder, he would be
- 55:29sentenced to life in prison without parole or the death
- 55:32penalty. He is being represented by a
- 55:34public defender and has not entered a plea.
- 55:40Yeah, let's see. Let's read this.
- 55:45Mr. Reiner, 32, has a serious mental illness and had struggled
- 55:48in the weeks before his arrest with a charge.
- 55:51Well, I'm sorry with a change in his medication to other people
- 55:54familiar with his health told The New York Times on the
- 55:57condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive medical
- 55:59information. One of those people said he had
- 56:01been diagnosed at different times with schizophrenia and
- 56:04schizoaffective disorder. The medication Mr. Reiner had
- 56:08been taking was effective, the other person said, but side
- 56:11effects led him to switch to a new medication about a month
- 56:14before his parents were killed. LA County Public Defense's
- 56:18office declined to comment, as did a representative for the
- 56:22district attorney's office. So yeah, it got so bad he was in
- 56:28a conservatorship. Very interesting.
- 56:32I will be interested to know, you know, well, when he enters A
- 56:40plea. I I'm interested when he enters
- 56:42a plea and we will see what happens then I guess.
- 56:46And those, my friends, are your headlines true crime headlines.
- 56:57Okie, dokie, let's let's see what you guys are saying for the
- 57:01last little bit here. Scotch's mom says I loved Fig
- 57:06Newtons as a kid. Can't stand them now.
- 57:08Oh, dude, the Fig Newtons. That was the consummate travel
- 57:15snack. I think I, I have not had a fig
- 57:20Newton in quite a while, but but yeah, I, I still think I like
- 57:24him. I so you have changed your
- 57:26palette, cat Fab. Let's see.
- 57:31I I don't know what what you said before.
- 57:37Let's see Cat Fab. Not sure what you bought just
- 57:45for nostalgia. I tried them and wondered why
- 57:48the heck I love them so much. Yeah, the way my system works, I
- 57:51have to. I can't see your previous
- 57:52comments. I wish I could.
- 57:56Let's see peace and love 7824, says Gavin, watching from
- 58:01Arlington, VA. My my lovely wife lived in
- 58:07Arlington for a short time. I hope this time you read me.
- 58:11You haven't until now. Well bang there you are peace
- 58:14and love. 7824K teen VA says love candy cigarettes.
- 58:19I bought a 24 pack on vacation last year.
- 58:22Wow that's funny. Oh that is funny.
- 58:26Oh, you know, the other ones that I really loved, they were
- 58:30called, like, you could get a Big Sugar daddy that was like
- 58:33this giant thing on a stick that when you bit into it, it just
- 58:37like it, it locked your teeth together.
- 58:41It was so sticky. And then they had sugar babies,
- 58:44too, that came in little packets of those were so good.
- 58:47I loved them. I miss chips when they came with
- 58:52actual chips, not mostly air. Yeah, I, I, I, I do love.
- 58:58I do love the humble potato chip.
- 59:02Crime addiction says. I hope you didn't curse yourself
- 59:04by saying your kids are so sweet.
- 59:05I thought that once. Need wood.
- 59:09Need wood. Knock on wood.
- 59:11That's funny. Yeah.
- 59:14Our kids have been great their whole lives.
- 59:16Except. Except that year 13.
- 59:18That one's a tough one. And then you.
- 59:22Mao says a healthier version of May mean crunchy cereal would be
- 59:25crackling oat bran. In addition to being crunchy and
- 59:28hard, they are also an awkward shape.
- 59:30You'll get a touch of blood along with a jaw workout.
- 59:32That's my favorite kind. That's my favorite kind.
- 59:35I I want to taste the iron in my own blood with my sugary sweet
- 59:41cereal. Welcome from Sierra Madre.
- 59:43Glad you are here Gavin, watching from the beginning.
- 59:48Regards from Florida. I thank you very much.
- 59:51Thanks for being here. And I do mean crisps.
- 59:56Yes, I am Merkin. So yes, so cat fab.
- 1:00:02It's the candy for cigarettes, I guess, Yes.
- 1:00:06Glitter is forever, says Gavin, listening from work, hiding in
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- 1:00:21OK, well every once in a while I find a very good small batch
- 1:00:29non, you know, name brand, national brand chocolate
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