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- Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): For months we worked towards one question. Why can we know what needs to change, sometimes with complete clarity, and still struggle to consistently live it? Then more than 150 speakers helped us explore that question through identity, habits, health, relationships, business, coaching, resilience, grief, purpose, and so much more. Today isn't another summit presentation. Marc and I are taking a breath. Looking back at what happened, thanking the people who made it possible, and talking about the ideas we're still carrying with us. Welcome back to Rebuild and Fulfill. I'm Kelsey Dunbar and I'm joined as always by my co-host and suffer to tougher co-founder, Marc Rogala. So Marc, we made it through the Transformation Gap Summit. So how are you feeling now that it's actually over? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): I mean I'm obviously very proud of what we created. I mean, I think it surpassed both yours and my expectations when we were to start planning this. Eight, nine, ten months ago, however long ago it was. I'm very grateful to all the speakers that stepped up. Pretty much when you approached them or I approached them, a potential speaker, they pretty much say, Okay, when and where? I mean, that there was no resistance whatsoever. Obviously I'm very happy that we had the amount of attendees that we had. that tells me that a lot of people are looking for transformation and change and to get healthier and get better in certain areas of their life. still kind of processing the size of it because again, when we talked about this originally, we were talking about what, forty to fifty speakers, and we blew that number out of the water by basically three times, over three times. You know, and we're still trying to figure out what the total count was as far as the attendees go, but I think that that exceeded our expectations as well. So I mean I'm very pleased with how everything went. So I mean it was it was it was good. I got a question for you though, okay. And I'm kinda saying this with a smile on my face because you were working your butt off behind the scenes while I was in the trenches working at a behavior health center all day. And and leading support groups and things like that. So you were doing a lot of the interviews and stuff like that. What the hell are you gonna do with all your free time now? Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah, so I I get that. No, and it's funny because I have a lot of people that have asked me a similar question to that, like, you must be so relieved and you must be like ready to take a break and are you gonna go on vacation for a week or something like that? And honestly, I'm just reallocating my time. I love the work that I do at as do you I would say that we're workaholics, but I really think that there's a bigger purpose there. It's not so much that we love to work. We just love the cause. We love the mission of what we're doing. And whether that's you reaching out to, you know, 25 people a day to see how they're doing, or whether it's me talking to more speakers and planning the next event or you know what course we're gonna run or what programs, what workshops, and just what we're gonna do next. You and I, when we wrote the book. And we realized that people really gravitated to it and really it really resonated with them. And they were looking at us like, okay, so what's next? And all of a sudden at that point we realized, you know what? We have an opportunity here. And beyond an opportunity, we almost felt like there was a responsibility to create what was next. And that's what turned into a company and a brand and another book, and then doing presentations. And then starting the podcast. And then the podcast led to the summit where we had all these speakers and getting different points of view. So I'm just I'm still kind of amped up, like you said. I haven't processed it enough yet to come down from it, but I am just so excited with everything that's gonna come next that I don't want to let my foot up off the gas. So yeah, so I'm just I'm ready for whatever comes next. I wouldn't say that I'm burnt out or need to catch my breath or gonna find all this stuff to do with my free time. I think that I'm just I'm ready. Let's go. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): So as I alluded to earlier, we originally talked about forty to fifty speakers. And Kelsey and I for the audience, we talked pretty much every morning about seven thirty in the morning on my way to work, on my way to the behavior health center. And you know, early on it was like, Okay, well we hit that number, then it's well now we're at seventy, now we're at eighty, now we're at a hundred, now we're at one twenty. Did you ever think that we were taking on too much when that number kept climbing? Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): I mean, that's another great question. So here was the thing. I'll be perfectly honest with you. We have worked with a lot of different people, and a lot of people really have the best of intentions. They really want to participate. They really want to to join our cause, join our mission. And so when everybody was putting up their hands without any hesitation, I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it. That was so great, but at the same time was a little skeptical that everybody that raised their hand was gonna come through. Again, I'm just being honest. So the way that the numbers kept climbing, I was like, okay, well if we have a hundred people that raised their hand, maybe we'll have 80 people that'll actually be committed. They'll do a presentation. And then when we got to 120, wow, we might actually get a hundred people. So the more that the numbers kept climbing, the more I was like, okay, well now if anybody drops out, we're not gonna worry about it too much. And we understand that the intentions were good. they might have been so eager to help that they put their hand up and then just couldn't follow through. And even though that happened with a few people, it didn't happen with many, certainly not as many as I thought. And when Nick and I would talk about it, he even said, I'd rather upload more people, I'd rather do more speaker graphics, I'd rather prepare And have this be the absolute most incredible summit ever, than to say, we have enough, let's stop there. If there were a few presentations that might have talked to somebody, and this is something you and I talk about all the time, where if there's something that gets through to just one person, it was well worth that presentation being there. And so to start turning away great speakers that might resonate with people who needed to hear what they had to say, I would have felt awful. So to me the more the merrier. So that's that's the way I was looking at it. So, Marc, we worked on this for months, but there was probably a point when it stopped feeling like an idea and it started feeling real. So, when did that happen for you personally? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): I mean, for me personally, it was when Nick sent you the initial graphics and it actually had the dates in there and the Transformation Gap Summit, presented by Suffer the Tougher, and then it had the different lenses with the coins and things like that. That's when I realized it was getting serious. And then obviously when we started the booking interviews. And the very first interview I was a part of, which was Spezio's interview. I remember it was later on a Friday night. Then it's like, okay, this is actually happening. And then getting the schedule, showing the different lenses and the different speakers at different dates and so forth, it's like, okay, now this is real. So I mean it's it was a progression. And it was a progression because again, you know, we we started talking about this months and months and months ago and you and I personally we had a couple other target dates in mind and it kept getting pushed back. So I mean, it's like, okay, is this ever gonna happen? But once once I got the graphics from Nick, I'm like, Okay, this is real, this is gonna happen. Let's go, it's go time. How about for you? Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah, for me it became real when I started seeing all the different conversations coming together. So Nick had shared with me the Google Drive folder. And as I'm seeing each time I open it, more and more videos popping up in the Google Drive. It just became so freaking exciting. And I was just like, okay, well, that's good. Okay, we've got 20 in there. All right, that's a good start. That's like the first week that we asked people to start putting their talks in. So, okay, cool. At least we got these 20 to keep them coming. We got them. And it was just like I just couldn't believe it because like I said, I was expecting so many people to drop off potentially. I think I was just kind of setting myself up that way to be excited no matter what. And so I was just kind of thinking that way. But it was just i incredible. And then started I I started to actually watch some of the videos and the the powerful stories and the people that were. really on board with this and so excited to be a part of it. so yeah, that was just amazing. I I loved it. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): So what do you think attendees would be most surprised to learn about what was happening behind the scenes when everything was coming together? Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah, well for one thing is I don't think I was quite prepared for as many people when they registered. So we had an application process. In the application process, they could sign up for whatever lens they wanted to do, which is how we ended up with a little bit of an offset as far as number of presentations in different lenses. And that was okay because we didn't want someone to adjust how they were speaking about the transformation gap because we were trying to fill certain slots. So that was starting to get a little bit offset, but that was okay. but the other thing that surprised me is how many people chose to do an interview style rather than a presentation. So at the time where we were offering interviews, I kind of thought it was gonna be a few here and there. And it turned out there were actually, I think, 20 or 21 interviews. That I did and wow, has that prepared me for our podcast moving forward? Because I felt like I did 20 podcasts in under three weeks, which normally would be probably four or five podcasts in two or three weeks at our regular cadence for rebuild and fulfill. So that was that was a lot and it was a lot of work, but it was so much fun because I got a front row seat to those presentations and I got to ask the questions that I wanted them to answer, which was really cool too, because instead of if you can imagine. As you were watching presentation after presentation, if you actually had a QA opportunity with that speaker at the end of their presentation, so why did you think that? Or what what led you to believe this? and I was getting that opportunity. So that was super cool. So I don't think as many people realized that there were going to be so many interviews, because I certainly didn't either. and also I think that people would be surprised with the production that we put on. Amount of people that were behind the scenes. We had you doing promotion. We had myself doing the speakers, where I was gathering the speakers, taking care of the speakers, making sure they had what they needed, There was a Facebook community group specifically for the speakers and the affiliates so that they knew what to post, they had everything that they needed, and Nick was doing all the back-end stuff, all of the uploads, managing the platform. all that stuff, but it was a three man crew. And honestly, I think for a summit this size, I think most people would think that we probably had anywhere from five to seven, maybe even ten people working on it. So I think they'd be surprised to hear that too. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): Yeah, I agree. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): So before we talk about what we learned through this process, I want to thank everyone who attended. So our registrants, our attendees, the folks that said, I really want what you guys are offering. This sounds great. I'm in. I can't wait to hear these talks. People have more content right now competing for their attention than ever before. So for every person who stopped scrolling, they registered, they watched at least one conversation. They returned the next day or joined us for the bonus day, which we did to allow 24-hour access to all of the speakers. Because, as I said, certain days were so front-loaded, we had almost 50 speakers just on identity. So we wanted to give people an extra opportunity to listen to any of the presentations that they missed. Because we really wanted people to have access. So for all the people that attended, we really want to say thank you for being a part of it. We did it for you and we appreciate the feedback that we got from the attendees. It it made the process so worth it. So Marc, what did it mean to you knowing that people were taking time out of their lives to listen to these conversations? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): Well, I think it's important. I mean, I I respect the fact that people's lives are busy, man. I mean, you know, they're they're working trying to make ends meet in in a very tough economy right now. People are feeling a lot of financial stress. Everybody's got busy lives, And for them to take time out of their busy day to listen to our summit, that means a lot. And it was important for us to actually put on a good summit with great content and great speakers. And I think we did a very good job at that. I also think it confirms what I see on a daily basis. I mean, people are struggling, you know, with anxious feelings, some depressed thoughts, some bad habits, and they know that you're just kind of stuck and they sometimes don't know how to get out of that where they're at right now. And you know, for them to take the time and actually try to learn and try to get educated and try to implement, that says a lot about them and what they're looking to accomplish in their lives as well as their family lives as well. And That's why I think it was so great that we had so many speakers because of what you alluded to earlier, because of that diversity. You had a lot of men, you had a lot of women, you had all different types of stories, all different types of content being covered. So if one conversation out of that one fifty resonated with each individual, it's huge. It's absolutely huge. If they could pick one thing and start doing that on a daily basis to drive some change for themselves and for their household, incredible. And that's what we're looking to accomplish. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah, and like I said, you were kind of more on the promotional side of it where you were text messaging a lot of people, messaging on Facebook Messenger and LinkedIn and the people that you saw at the behavioral health center and the different hospitals and events that you speak at. So you were actually talking to the attendees much more than I was, So I know that when you were talking with them, you were doing that throughout the summit and you had shared with me how many people were giving you such great feedback. So was there an attendee message or just a response that kind of stayed with you? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): Yeah, there there there's there was a few. I mean, there was text dialogue throughout the whole summit, to be perfectly honest with you. But there was a couple of individuals that are really struggling with a lot of different things going on in their life right now. And I'm actually gonna read the text to you right now. And it was actually from Michael Crismali's presentation, and it's the fact that identity cannot be found, it is created. by repeatable actions every day and always doing the next right thing. You know, and and I think that it was really important for that gentleman to hear and a lot of the individuals that I deal with on a daily basis, because they're dealing with mental health and some addiction issues as well. So they're really struggling with their identity. So that first day, I was getting a lot of texts. From a lot of individuals. They're like, my gosh, this is speaking to me, or it seems like the speaker's speaking directly to me. It's describing my life. And that that's beautiful. I mean, that's exactly what we wanted to get out of that. And that was kind of the prelude to the rest of the summit for them to learn about everything else. Changing their habits, you know, fitness, nutrition, relationships, you know, because obviously that's causing stress in their lives. So I mean, I love the way it was laid out because it's just real stuff that people are dealing with every single day. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah. So just to kind of reflect for our attendees, whether you watched one conversation or tried to watch all 150, again, thank you. We hope that something helped you understand yourself or maybe recognize what has been keeping you stuck or see just a possible next step. So Next thing I'd like to talk about is our amazing speakers. So obviously, the summit could not have happened without our very talented speakers. They trusted us with their expertise, their personal experiences, and in many cases, deeply vulnerable parts of their lives. They dealt with deadlines and interviews and technology and promotion and all the moving pieces that come with an event like this. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): So what impressed you most about the people who agreed to be a part of this Kelsey? Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): The level of commitment. like I said, I just can't get over that. I was prepared to have a acceptable drop off to me would have been like twenty percent. And I don't think we even had three percent really when you think about it. When I think of all the people that I spoke to that were so eager to get involved. like you said, it was it was kind of like shooting fish in a barrel. We told them what the summit was about and why it was that we thought that they could bring something valuable, and they said, Yeah, okay. It's just it it baffled me. I was just like, really? No, no, no begging. these speakers are amazing. We have people that probably get paid ten thousand dollars or more to travel to a different part of the world to give a presentation. And they were like, I'm in. And just to be clear to everybody, we certainly did not have a budget for paying anybody anything. All these speakers were absolutely Volunteers that said, I believe in what you're doing. I will take the time. I will prepare a talk and I will make sure that I get it to you in time to be a part of your summit. And some people were doing it on two or three days' notice where they had heard from another speaker that said, Hey, I'm a part of this thing. You might want to see if they still want more speakers. And they reached out to us, and I was like, Well, the deadline was technically like four days ago, but since your talk is about Business. That's not till day four. So if you can get a talk to us in like two or three days, that would be okay. And they were like, I'll have it done tomorrow. I'm like, holy cow! So that was just absolutely incredible. And I couldn't have been more overjoyed with the quality of people that we got. So, Marc, I have a question back for you now. So, from the conversations you were able to hear. Which people or which moments are still on your mind? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): Well, full disclosure to everybody, I'm gonna do what I recommended to a lot of the individuals, and that is take my time and watch the presentations over a period of time. You know, a hundred and forty plus presentations over a six day period, that'd be information overload. But what I did do is I listened to some of the individuals that I kinda had a relationship with already or that I was part of already. And I mean I thought, you know, Speesio's story, Scott Spezio's story. Mainly because I was a fan of his. I remember him playing baseball and for us to actually do that interview was actually pretty cool. I remember when he hit the home run in the two thousand two World Series for the Angels against Barry Bonds Giants. So I was intrigued by that. But the fact that, you know, he was on a ventilator and less than a twenty percent chance of living and was told he might need a liver transplant. I mean, that was incredible. Justin Wolfe, who I've had a relationship with for a long time. I mean, the first time I met Justin, I was in treatment. And he was a clinical director at the place that I was in treatment for. I never knew that I would have like a working relationship with him in the future in the recovery world. And I knew that he had a live life experience, but he very, very seldom talks about his live life experience because of his clinical responsibilities and code of ethics and things like that. But him actually getting into his story I thought was was was really, really cool of him to do. But I'd have to say the one that really spoke to me the most was we got Nami DuPage, National Alliance on Mental Illness of DuPage County, local local county here in the Chicagoland area involved. And they could have picked a lot of different speakers talking on a lot of different topics, but they picked Karen Rosenberg, who as far as I know, I've never met and I never heard her speak before, but she's a family peer specialist over there and she talked about the youth. And what the youth are dealing with on the mental health side. And I thought that was genius for them to pick that topic and have her speak because that is something that is very real, very serious right now. And I hope that her story resonated with the parents that are out there and some of the stresses that these kids are under on a daily basis, which is very different than the stresses that you and I faced as children as well, with this technology and social media and everything else that's going on out there right now. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah, I was really excited when I saw what her topic was because we definitely reached out to Nami to ask them if they would like some representation. And they were so gracious to want to help us. So we really want to give a shout out to all the people over there that said, we definitely want to take part, we want to find the right speaker for you. But like Marc, I was flabbergasted when they came up with somebody with all the things that they deal with with adults that they said, we recognize the opportunity. And so we want to speak to the mental health challenges that the youth face and that they picked someone that was going to speak on that topic. So That was amazing. I was so happy when I saw that. I was like, didn't see that coming, but man, happy surprise. So, so as Marc was saying, we obviously cannot name all the speakers in one podcast episode, but every speaker contributed something important. Some helped people understand identity and reinvention. Others explored habits, executive function, environment, and nervous system regulation. we heard about Health, grief, relationships, boundaries, leadership, business, resilience, addiction, purpose, and the role that coaches and guides can play in helping the transformation take hold. So that variety was exactly what we had hoped to create. so after doing so many interviews for the summit, certain ideas kept appearing in different ways. And I love that because I expected as much. You could hear five different people saying basically the same thing, but the way that one of them says it just resonates with you a little bit differently. And that's one of the things that we were in hoping to get out of the summit was people with similar ideas, which made people think, okay, there must be something to this because a lot of people agree. But then maybe just one person described it in a certain way where someone said, you know what? I I can do that. So it's amazing how that all came together. so just to give you an example of that, though, I mean, for somebody who's struggling with following through on something, it doesn't automatically mean that someone is lazy or weak or uncommitted. And that idea that people just really get down on themselves and they have to show themselves more grace that. They can make decisions and then try to implement. And if it doesn't work out perfectly, what they want to do is learn from that experience, learn why it didn't work or why they weren't prepared, or maybe they just were trying to do too much. And that was such a common theme. So I I really appreciated how people were coming together with a lot of the same ideas and allowing people to say it's okay to just take small incremental steps and celebrate the wins. And when it doesn't go exactly to plan, pick up where you left off. You're not starting back from zero. You're not failing. You're just saying, I stumbled a little bit here. Let me try and figure out why. And then put your best foot forward from there. And so that was great. So from the conversations, that you got a chance to listen to, what stood out to you about what can get in the way when people try to change? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): There's a lot of factors, man. I mean stress, fear, exhaustion, some form of addictive behavior, health challenges, or just overall emotional overload can interfere with follow through. And that's stuff that people are dealing with on a daily basis, specifically the people that I'm working with. people's environment, old habits. That can pull them back towards familiar behaviors, even though it's not healthy behavior. And then, you know, someone might just care deeply. I mean, they they may care very deeply, but they're still carrying barriers that other people just cannot see. And I think that's important to understand as well. That's why it's so important to make that one step and reward yourself and have that positive self-talk, that you're making that step and that you're actually doing something and then just build on that over a period of time. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah. That sounds kind of familiar too though, doesn't it? Cause a lot of that stuff connects closely with what we've said through Suffer to Tougher. So you you're not broken, you may simply be overloaded, and then another idea that kept returning was the central theme of the summit. Information is rarely the only thing missing. Most of us already know more than we consistently apply. So Marc, why do you think information by itself so often fails to create lasting change? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): Well, I mean, understanding something intellectually isn't the same as practicing it consistently. I mean, I'm a perfect example of that with the way I lived my life in the past. I just be perfectly honest with you. I mean, I was told the info the information. I was I was educated basically by professionals, but I still wasn't implementing on a daily basis. you know, sometimes you get advice that doesn't fit someone's real life priorities or circumstances. just as an example, I'm not an artistic guy, but there's a lot of people that benefit from art, you know, whether it's art therapy, writing poems, journaling, whatever it might be. Okay. I that's just not me, but there's a lot of people that do benefit from it. So, you gotta find something that's gonna fit your real life. And then the other thing too is, you can have all the motivation in the world, but eventually it's gonna fade. And lasting change requires repetition and reinforcement, and in my opinion, support. So I mean that's that's kind of where I'm at with that one Kels. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah. Yeah, I heard speaker after speaker answer this in a different way. So I actually would like your perspective. What helps turn an idea into action? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): Get as specific as you possibly can. Okay? Instead of leaving it as a general intention. So I just use me as an example. and you know this, and people that follow the podcast are gonna know this. Early on, it was just walking. Okay. But there were specific goals in mind: walk around the block, walk around my parents' neighborhood, then go to the lake. download the steps app, even though the steps app was on my phone the entire time and try to slowly work up to ten thousand steps per day. That was the goal. But it was very specific, ten thousand steps per day. You know, that have accountability and support and a specific time and place for action, that was important for me. That was that's important for you too. But early on, I mean it was specific, you know, and it was and the accountability and support that it was needed was huge, and eventually that motivation is gonna wear off, but you still gotta get the work done, man. Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Yeah. so we talked about what the attendees may have learned with all the presentations that they watched, but creating this summit changed us too. So Marc, what did this experience teach you personally or what jumps off the page at ya? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): You know what, Kelsey, I'm probably gonna work a different angle here. and you might be surprised by this answer. But the one thing that I see is whether people had unbelievable accomplishments in their career, or all the different titles and or or letters after their name with their education and so forth, or they own a successful business, you know, and they got a great following on social media. At the end of the day, when you hear their presentation, they've all gone through challenging times in their life that has tested them beyond anything that they probably thought they would be tested before. And they had to refigure stuff out on their own and readjust and continue to move forward. Stuff's gonna happen in life. You know, I mean, I always give that. Dowli Lama quote, pain in life is inevitable, but suffering is optional. We're all gonna go through painful moments. And the one thing that I heard, speaker after speaker after speaker, of the ones I listened to is they all went through their painful moments, but the painful moments made them the individuals that they are today and created their purpose and created the success that they're having today. And I think that is so important for the individuals that are attending. To understand that their life is just not perfect. They're gonna go up through ups and downs just like the individuals listing is going through the ups and downs. So Kelsey, throw the c same question back at you. What did you learn from the summit? Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): Well, I was editing interviews and doing interviews throughout the summit. Like I said, we had a lot of people that were coming in last minute and volunteering. It's not that they were waiting until the last minute to get their stuff done. There were just people that were jumping in at the last minute. And as I said, we didn't want to turn anyone away. So I really didn't get to listen to as many presentations. I was in some presentations and I think what I learned is how many people recommend a lot of the same things and a lot of the same things that we've always been recommending. And it starts with the the next right step, small steps, build the wins. So what I learned was how much the advice, whether it was the people that you mentioned that have a lot of experience, a lot of education, and have a lot of credentials, that They were advising a lot of the same stuff that we advise. And that's not to say that anything by them or by us is watered down in any sort of way, but it's the stuff that's just tried and true. And it's just about taking action. You're better off with imperfect action than no action at all, because you're not going to make progress by sitting there and doing paralysis by analysis. Really the common theme is. Just pick something, something small, something that you can stay committed to and just start doing something. Just the idea of knowing that you're actually putting an effort in and that you're gonna try something already is starting yourself on a process to recovery from whatever you're dealing with or trying to get unstuck from whatever position you're in. So that's one thing that that I learned is just That really the most important thing is the implementation of the information, not just the information overload that Marc talks about. Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): So Kelsey, the summit's over, but we decided not to let all these conversations disappear. Why was that important to you? Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): I mean, the idea is that we just want to make these recordings available to people. We want the message to get out. We want people to be helped. And as much as we did what we could to try to promote the summit, and the fellow speakers did as much as they could, and our affiliates did as much as they could, and everybody worked really hard. But that doesn't mean that. We're helping the millions and millions of people that really need help. So I just really think that making the opportunity for people to get these conversations and to use them on an ongoing basis is so important. And we've all gone to events, whether it's a summit or a a retreat where we get lots of great information, but we almost get almost too much information at one time, and it's really hard to implement. Whereas if we take in these conversations over time, we can implement something here and something there. And we get a brand new conversation. We say, well, I was kind of doing that with this one that I did here, but this way is a little bit different. That actually helps me figure out what my next step is gonna be. So that's why that was really, really important for me. So even for someone who attended, watched every speaker that they wanted to see, took perfect notes, and made a list of everything they wanted to change, it wouldn't be realistic to apply all of it at once. The change someone needs today may be completely different from the change they need six months or even six years from now. Today you might be working on your health and consistency, but then next year you might be navigating a relationship or changing careers or grieving a loss or rethinking who you are and what matters most in your life. That is what makes having all of these perspectives available so valuable. One speaker might help you name something you've been feeling, another might offer a practice you can try. Someone else may help you see the same situation, but from a completely different angle. That is why we created the transformation gap experience pass. It includes lifetime video and audio access to the complete collection, practical resources, implementation programs, six months of transformation practice, and an expanding AI guide to help people explore and apply what they need. Nick created this. It's absolutely incredible what this thing will do as far as guiding you through the presentations and what you should be listening to. about one of these subjects, it's absolutely amazing. The whole program, the transformation gap experience, it's available for a one-time payment of $97. And we'll put the information in the show notes for anyone who wants to explore it. Whether you purchase the pass or not, our hope is that this summit does not become more information you collected and then forgot. We simply wanted you to know what is available and how the summit can continue helping you after the live event has disappeared and it's in the rearview mirror. So, Marc, next thing, you probably noticed that every summit interview ended with the 24-hour question. So I'm going to turn that back to you and ask you, with everything you heard and experienced, what is one action that you can take within the next 24 hours to begin crossing one of your own gaps? And why that action? Marc Rogala (Co-Founder): I mean, for me, I mean, I feel I've gotten a lot better in this area compared to when I was in the insurance industry for many years, specifically when I was a manager. But I have to get better at my work life balance and my sleeping habits have to improve. You've been on me about my sleeping habits. You know, I just I've always been not a really big sleeper, you know, and and and I wear my heart on my sleeve, so I do tend to take phone calls through the night, in the evening, later at night, when the phone rings or a text comes in or a messenger comes in, but I need to have some separation of that. And I need to work on, you know, my relationship and have that balance and the relationship of myself in the mirror and do certain things maybe a little bit better. I feel I come a long way, you know, so I'm gonna focus on the progress. Again, we're not looking at perfection. But there's certainly areas that I need to improve them, but it's going to start with that balance for sure. Let me ask you the same question. What about you? Kelsey Dunbar (Co-Founder): well same as you in the fact that some better work life balance, although I think that a lot of times what I struggle with is I've got so many plates spinning because I'm always trying to implement so many things that we're working on. So probably balancing my time management I need to get much better with. through the interviews that I did I have some ideas on how I can prioritize and And not try to tackle too many things at once. And that's certainly going to be helpful for me. And I want to make a point of not only doing that, but keeping myself accountable based on writing some of those things down and then having to look at that and saying, I've got to get through these major priorities this week. And if I give the dedicated time to that, then I can start working on some other projects. But I have to keep the priorities the priorities. So that's probably my answer for that one. Alright, so I think that's a pretty great place to wrap up this episode. So to everyone who attended, thank you for giving us your time and attention. To every speaker who trusted us with your experience, your expertise, and your stories, again, thank you as well. To our affiliates and everyone who helped share this summit, thank you for believing in what we are building. And our most important thank you really goes out to Nick Lambe. He took absolutely no credit for any of this. He signed our names to every email he wrote and sent off to speakers and attendees throughout the summit. He just really is very comfortable with staying behind the scenes, but I wouldn't feel right not giving him the credit that he's due. He handled every upload, every technical problem, and every question Marc and I had during the year that this was in development. So he is truly the unsung hero of the entire experience. Without him None of this would have been possible. So the summit may be over, but the transformation isn't. What matters now isn't how many conversations you watched or how many notes you took. What matters is what you choose to carry forward and begin living. What is one action you can take? Within the next 24 hours to begin crossing the gap between what you know and how you're living. Cross one gap. Take one step. And until next time, keep rebuilding, keep moving forward, and remember, you're not broken. You may just be overloaded. And we will see you next time on Rebuild and Fulfill. Take care.