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New Polygraph Tests Done in Missing Lilly & Jack Sullivan Case. The Results Raise More Questions. · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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Lily and Jack Sullivan went missing on May 2nd of 2025 and
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you'd think in the modern era it wouldn't be possible for two
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kiddos to just drop off the edge of the earth.
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We have no idea where they went. There were all of like 2 pieces
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of evidence they left behind. We don't know if they wandered
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off, if they were taken by animals, if they were taken by
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strangers, if they were taken by family.
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We don't know what happened to them.
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But this week, thanks to some very, very good reporting up
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there in Canada, we've got some new information.
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And I know. This is a case where we're we've
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kind of lost track of it, right? We are.
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We've moved on to other important cases like Nancy
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Guthrie, like the trial of Cory Richins in the murder of her
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husband, Eric Richins. We're going to talk both in the
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headlines tonight. We're going to talk about both
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those cases, but it's still an important case.
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We still want to get to the bottom of this.
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Children just can't disappear in 2025.
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S Stick with me, we'll get into it.
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This video contains mature themes and discussions intended
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only for adult audiences. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Hello there, my friend. Welcome back to another true
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crime conversation with me, Gavin Fish.
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Thank you so much for being here.
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Thanks for checking in wherever you're checking in from.
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I deeply appreciate it. I deeply appreciate.
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It and Gavin. Hey Javi, can we have a take to
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goodness? I need to slow down.
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Maybe I'm just. Excited.
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Today's been a good day for me. Today has been a very, very good
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day for me first of all. Do you see this shirt that I'm
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wearing right here? If you're watching the video, if
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you're on the podcast, you're not seeing this, but it is AI
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don't even know what color it is.
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I'm I'm severely color blind, but a textured kind of a cable
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last night at Marshalls and. It is a large and it fits
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beautifully. Back in August I was wearing A3
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XL. OK, so that's pretty great.
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And secondly, I got a phone call today from a friend that we have
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not talked in. Maybe a year.
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And it was just so good to hear from her.
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She is. She's somebody I deeply admire
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and love to chat with. I don't know why I hadn't
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reached out before. I'm glad she reached out to me.
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So it's been a good day and I hope it's been a good day where
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you are. Hey, wherever you're checking in
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from, tell me in the live stream or in the comments where you are
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coming from. And if you 2 are having a
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terrific day, tell us why. What happened in your life that
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made it so great? Did you fit into a shirt that
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you never thought you'd be into that size ever again?
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Guys, it's kind of baggy, I mean.
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I don't think I'll ever get into a medium.
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I mean, I'm 6 foot 2. I don't think, I don't think
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guys of my stature like fit into mediums.
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But man, it feels good. OK, Gavin, what are you doing?
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Javi, you really should keep me. You should keep me in check,
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buddy. Let's let's let's keep this on
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track guys. Lily and Jack Sullivan were two
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little kiddos out in Nova Scotia.
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Lily 6, Jack four. And they just up and disappeared
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from this house right here living with their mother, Malia
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Brooks Murray pictured here. And I, I would say I don't want
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to split hairs, but self-titled stepdad David Martel.
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I I stepped out whatever OK, you can tell by I guess the state of
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things. This is a maybe a poverty
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stricken family. They are out in the middle of
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Podunk Nowhere, Canada. I say that with a deep amount of
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love. I live in Podunk Nowhere,
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Pennsylvania, so they're out in the sticks and what the parents
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say is they heard the kids playing and then then they
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didn't and they went outside and just couldn't find them.
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Called emergency services who have done a herculean task of
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looking for these kids. I almost said, guys, these kids
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and we haven't seen them anywhere.
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Haven't seen them anywhere. Now, the last we heard, Mr.
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Martell, pictured here, had just been in court for an assault.
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I I think it was an essay. Right of an adult, not of a
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child and not. Of his his children or Malia
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Brooks Murray's children. But we're starting to see smoke,
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right? And is it true Where there's
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smoke, there's fire? Could be, could be.
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I was. I was kind of.
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Well, I try to remain neutral when it comes to my opinions on
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on the parents. I try to follow the facts as we
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are given them. And of course, we are not
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investigators. We are sideline citizen
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detectives. We don't know what's really
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going on, especially in Canada where they keep everything so
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close to the vest. Anyway, I tried to stay neutral
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about this, but in the beginning I was like.
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Why did the Why did the mother disappear from view, and why did
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Mr. Martel keep looking? And I was kind of taken in by
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the guy like, hey, wait a minute.
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This doesn't remind me of like a Scott Peterson.
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This doesn't remind me of a Chris Watts.
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This reminds me of somebody who's deeply concerned about
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his. Kids.
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And now I'm not so sure now that he's facing charges.
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Of the essay of an adult. Oh, that is hard to ignore.
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But the news that came out today from the CBC, written by Allie
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Thompson, who has done terrific work reporting on this case, is
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that a new round of polygraphs, a second round let's say, were
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conducted in the disappearance of Lily and Jack.
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And we've got an article published in the CBC.
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We're going to, I think we're probably going to read the whole
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thing. We got time for it.
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It's going to rehash some things, but it's been a while
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since we've covered the case and so it's probably appropriate
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that we do. So you know what?
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Before we do though, let's bring Lily and Jack back up.
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Miss Chivos Dragon says the shirt is periwinkle.
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Oh well, thank you very much. Emmy is checking in from San
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Jose. Cindy is from Ontario.
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We got Boise in the house, We got Missouri in the house, we
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got Wyoming. Northern California.
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Doylestown, PA also loves the shirt.
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Kansas City. Kimberly and I are planning a
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trip to Kansas City this summer. I'm looking forward to it.
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Texas is in the house. Boston's in the house.
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Austin, TX. Sudbury is here.
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Rose City, Portland is here. Who else we got?
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Redding, CA Wow, there we go. Redding, CA Thank you very much.
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And Karen Hawley says your wife has great taste.
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Very nice looking shirt. Congratulations on the weight
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I'm feeling good today, guys. Like I have to say, I'm in the
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Part of my journey, I continue to be able to lift more weight
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But thank you all for coming along this journey with me and
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giving me so much encouragement. Ontario's in the house,
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Michigan's in the house, jerseys in the house.
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Thank you very much for being here.
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Okie, Dokie, come with me, if you will, over to this article
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by Ali Thompson at. Cbc.ca second round of
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polygraphs conducted in disappearance of Nova Scotia
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children Nova Scotia Royal Canadian Mounted Police have
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conducted a second round of polygraph examinations in the
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disappearance of Jack and Lily Sullivan, with two of those
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tests focused on one of the only pieces of physical evidence in
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the case, a light. Pink blanket found hanging in
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the tree and you can see that in this photo.
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Let's see if I can. That's about as big as I can get
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right? But OK.
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Lily, 6, and Jack, then four, were reported missing on the
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morning of May 2nd, 2025 from Lansdowne, Nova Scotia, a spar
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sparsely populated area about 140 kilometers northeast of
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Halifax. Their disappearance sparked a
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massive grid search in the of the thick woods surrounding
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their home, where they lived with their mother, Malia Brooks
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Murray, stepfather. I'm sorry, Daniel Martel.
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I think I said David Martel. Sorry about that guys and their
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younger sister. A piece of Lily's blanket found
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on the first day of the search tangled in a tree's twigs, has
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been the subject of much speculation fueled by a lack of
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answers in the case. I have noticed and maybe I'm
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just. Maybe I'm tuning into this more.
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And how do I want to say this without sounding like a total
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dill hole, total jerk? There is a segment of the true
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crime aficionado community that is really not doing anybody any.
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Favors with their speculations and accusations.
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I I'm trying really hard not to be that guy.
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I don't want to be that guy, right?
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I want to. I want to keep.
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I want to. Keep right down the middle.
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And I want to be I, I want to temper everything that we do
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with humanity and with compassion.
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As was so beautifully stated by the Reiner children.
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We we don't want to be those people, especially in light of
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the comments that we heard from Monique Tepi's.
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I think brother-in-law about how one person's speculation turns
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into another person's fact, right?
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So we do not want to be those people that are just trading in
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rampant speculation though I mean it.
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Is. Natural to to question things,
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right? Family members on all sides have
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suggested online and in media interviews that it was planted.
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Haley Ferdinand Brooks, Murray's step sister, was one of the
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people who came upon the piece of tattered blanket off
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Lansdowne Station Road, a kilometer from the children's
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home, as they scoured for Jack and Lily alongside dozens of
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search and rescue members. Quote, we went down one side of
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the road and came back up the other, said Ferdinand, adding
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that Brooks Murray's half brother, Hayden Murray Smith,
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was with her at the time. We came back up the other side
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and all of a sudden there was this pink thing in the tree.
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Here is Haley Ferdinand, pictured here, the step sister
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of Malia. Ferdinand said it was
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intertwined in branches roughly a meter off the ground.
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She described its position as odd.
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Let's look at this picture again.
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Right? Yeah, It it does seem rather
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placed there rather than have fallen in there, especially if
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these little kiddos are only about a meter tall themselves.
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Right? They're little ones.
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OK, let's see. Quote.
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Emotions were very high that day already.
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And sure enough, we sent the picture to Malia and she Ided it
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as being Lily's, said Ferdinand in a recent interview at her
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home outside Truro, NS. It was just very emotional to
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see, she said. Ferdinand said she was asked 4
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questions during a polygraph examination on February 20th.
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So we're just three weeks ago. Not even right We're 19 days
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ago. Did you plant the blanket in the
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tree? Did you place the blanket in the
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tree? Did you put the blanket in the
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tree? Did you leave the blanket in the
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tree? She said she responded no to
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each question and at the end she was told she passed the
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examination. I want to pause here and chat
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about this just a little bit. The only person who truly knows
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whether somebody, quote UN quote, passed a polygraph
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examination would be the polygraph examiner right now.
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I I mean, do police lie to suspects and to interviewees and
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to persons of interest? Yes, they do all the time.
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We don't know if she did pass the examination.
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What we know is that she said, they said she passed the
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examination and that, I mean, that's, that's a distinction
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with a huge difference, right? So maybe, maybe the RCMP is
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holding it close to their polite and red and white vest.
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I don't know, maybe they are, maybe they aren't.
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Hayden Murray Smith confirmed to CBC News that he was asked the
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same 4 questions during a polygraph examination on
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February 19th. He said he responded.
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No to each. Question and was told by the
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examiner at the end that he passed.
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There's another picture of Jack and Lily I actually haven't seen
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before. How adorable is that?
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Oh my goodness, this is what is so heartbreaking about this
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case, man. Let's just zoom up on it real
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quick. Look at those little, beautiful
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little creatures that we don't know.
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What happened to them? Where are they?
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Where could they be? It's.
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Just heartbreaking. RCMP declined a request for an
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interview but confirmed in an e-mail that more polygraph
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examinations have taken place as part of an extension extensive
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investigation being led by Major Crimes.
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The Mounties also confirmed the blanket, one of two pieces of
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physical evidence in the case that the public is aware of, is
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still at the RCMP lab for forensic examination.
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What kind of forensics could be left on that blanket?
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I mean, certainly there would be DNA from Lily, right?
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There'd be touch DNA, some kind of there would be.
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I mean, if it was out in the out in the wilderness, I don't know.
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It was in May up in Nova Scotia, still technically the spring.
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Yeah, probably cool. I mean, I think DNA probably
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would survive there. But even if it had DNA of like
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Mr. Martel, then I mean, all that proves is that it's been in
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the house, right? So what kind of forensics are we
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looking? I think the most powerful thing
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would be is if there was some sort of forensic evidence that
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did not belong to Malia Brooks Murray, to Daniel Martel, to
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Jack, or to Lily Sullivan or to Daniel's mom, can't remember her
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name right now. There's so many names in this
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and they all have different last names.
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It's just, it's just hard. The second piece is a boot print
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consistent with Lily's foot size, found on the pipeline
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trail near the family home in Canada.
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Polygraph tests are used. Uh oh, uh oh, guys, I've got to
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yawn. OK?
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Yeah, we're clear. We're clear.
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Man, I hate that. I'm not tired.
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I'm not tired at all. But sometimes I just, I need to
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breathe more deeply, get more air in me, get more oxygen.
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OK? In Canada, polygraph tests are
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used as an investigative tool and are not admissible in court.
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Michelle Genus maybe Jeanie, I don't know how to pronounce that
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name. An associate professor in the
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criminal Justice Department at the University of Louisiana at
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Lafayette said police conduct polygraphs to help shape
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interviews, narrow down suspect pools and to guide who they
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should be speaking with as part of an investigation.
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Polygraphs are powerful. Speaking of Chris Watts, right?
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You can actually go on on my channel, you, you can search and
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see the polygraph examination of Chris Watts.
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What an idiot, man. First of all, what are you doing
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now? I'm glad he did.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he did.
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What are you doing? Submitting yourself to an
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interview, to a polygraph examination, and then when they
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tell you you failed, you immediately cave?
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I mean, I'm glad that I'm glad that Chris Watts and other
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criminals like him are stupid, but it does show the power of
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the polygraph, right? Because I could be strapped into
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a polygraph machine next to an examiner with the little dials
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going back and forth, the laptop and the whole shebang, and I
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would have no clue, no clue whether I quote UN quote passed
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or not. But it is it is a powerful
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psychological tool, right? Definitely.
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Okie, Dokie. So they can police conduct
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polygraphs to help shape interviews, narrow down suspect
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pools and to guide who they think who they think, narrow
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down suspect pools and to guide who they should be speaking with
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as part of an investigation. And this is Michelle right here.
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I'm just going to say genus I, I'm sorry if I'm butchering your
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name, whose areas of expertise include best practices for
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recovering missing persons, Said she feels the fact that police
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are conducting a second round of polygraphs signals that RCMP
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have exhausted all immediate leads.
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Dang it, that is disappointing. Can't take it as gospel.
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This is her opinion, her educated opinion.
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Here we go. Quote The best thing to do when
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you have a long term missing persons case would be to go back
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from the beginning and start over with fresh eyes and look
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for anything they might have missed before.
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You know, what's happening is now I'm thinking about yawning
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and it's coming on. Gavin, you are a professional.
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You should be. Maybe you're more of an amateur,
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but I don't know. I don't know.
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I don't know. Javi, is there anything you can
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think of? Wanda, is there anything that
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you can think of? No.
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Playing sleepy music is going to make me sleepier.
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Wanda, it's OK, It's OK, OK. The best thing to do when you
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have a long term missing persons case would be to go back from
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the beginning and start over with fresh eyes and look for
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anything that they might have missed before, said Genus, who
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has been following the case closely.
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It is absolutely concerning that the investigation has gone on
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for this long and we still have no recovery.
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All missing persons cases are usually resolved very quickly,
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so this in and of itself is very abnormal and concerning, she
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said. Details about the blankets
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discovery are laid out in search warrant applications sought by
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RCMP early on in the investigation.
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And you know what I think I have I think I have some of those.
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Let me just take a look. You guys hummed to yourselves
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for a moment while I just browse over here to my case file.
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I, I know that I have a few things ullivan, Lily, and Jack
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documents. Let's see OK, record access
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order. I want to see if.
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I might be able to share any of this with you.
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Let me let me do a search for blanket inside this documents
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folder. No, I guess I don't have those
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those search warrants, OK, the document The document said the
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blanket was discovered around 4:00 PM Atlantic time on May
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2nd, 2025. And police.
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Dogs were brought to the location, but no.
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Scent was picked up two days later.
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Another piece of the same blanket was seized from inside a
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trash bag at the end of the driveway at the children's home,
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said the documents, which lay out an officer's summary of the
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investigation. To that point, why would they
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throw? Wait a minute, Why would they
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throw away? Guys, think about this.
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You have a missing child. I would hold on to absolutely
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everything that that child ever touched, looked at, walked near,
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or expressed interest in at all. I maybe I'm just super
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sentimental, which I am, but I wouldn't throw away a piece of
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of a blanket of the of that same blanket.
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I wouldn't throw away anything. It belonged to my child.
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What is that an indicator? Tell me in the comments.
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Tell me in the comments what you think.
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Put GF in it. Don't forget, put GF in it and
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start it with like, blankets. So I know what you're talking
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about. There's a delay between when you
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hear me talk and I see your comments.
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But yeah, tell me what you think.
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Why would they throw away a piece of that blanket?
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I wouldn't throw away anything. Nothing.
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But OK. So here's Mr. Martel.
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Martel had been using the blanket to stop a draft from a
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door, it said. About a week before the
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disappearance, Brooks Murray took it from the door because
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the weather was getting nicer and she threw it in the garbage.
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There was already a piece missing from it when she did
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that because Daniel ripped it off when he put it up, the
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document said, summarizing Brooks Murray's statement to
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police. That's suspicious, man.
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That is so suspicious. Oh, I don't know, maybe I've
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been living in a hole. I, I forgot this little piece of
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information. Martel told CBC News in a
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January interview that he had voluntarily provided ADNA sample
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to investigators the month prior.
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He said it was his understanding that his DNA was taken in
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connection with the blanket, but RCMP have not confirmed that.
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According to the court documents, a number of people
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underwent polygraphs in the weeks and months immediately
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following the disappearance, including Martel and Brooks.
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Murray Ferdinand and Murray Smith were not polygraph during
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the first round of tests. Martel previously told CBC News
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that all the questions he was asked during his first polygraph
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were presumptive that the children were no longer alive.
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Such as, did you kill Lily and Jack Markell?
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Martell set take two Javi, we're going to edit this out in post.
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Martell did not respond to a request for comment from CBC
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News on the second round of polygraphs.
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Brooks Murray confirmed to CBC News that she has undergone a
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second polygraph examination and that she was told she passed.
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Again, we don't know that she passed.
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We just know that she said that she was told that she passed.
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It's very important that we remember these things.
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She would not elaborate on the questions she was asked.
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During an interview in January, RCMP Staff Sergeant Rob Mccammon
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said there were, quote, Oh my goodness, quote, a number of
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different areas investigators were following up on in
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connection with the blanket. Quote, we'll make decisions on
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that once we have all that we need, but right now we're not in
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a position to really comment on that.
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For Ferdinand, that was a quote from Sergeant Mccammon.
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For Ferdinand, her polygraph was simply another box to tick.
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I knew that I went into the test being.
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Truthful and I knew my result was going to be truthful, so it
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was really just another normal day.
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Another task to complete in the pursuit of finding out what
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happened to them, said Ferdinand, becoming emotional at
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times. Good for her.
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It hurts the longer time goes. We just want answers and we want
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Lily and Jack home. And that is what we have learned
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in this latest latest bit of information and the
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investigation into the disappearance of Lily and Jack
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Sullivan. Now let me see what you guys are
28:05
saying on the old live chat hidden in the shadows, harkening
28:12
back to my comment. About Kansas City, says Gavin.
28:16
If you come to Kansas City, World Cup will be here this
28:19
summer. It's going to be crazy.
28:24
I don't think that we're going to go check out any, any World
28:26
Cup. I'm going to see friends.
28:30
Kimberly and I are visiting an old friend.
28:32
As you guys know, I'm a sentimental guy and I'm going
28:34
through a bit of a post midlife crisis, getting very close to
28:38
finding the car that I'm going to buy for this post midlife
28:41
crisis. By the way.
28:42
And what is most important to me in my life, second only to my
28:47
family, are my friends and especially at the long term ones
28:51
and especially the ones that I haven't seen in a long time.
28:54
So Kimberly are Kimberly and I are going to visit a friend and
29:01
her spouse and then I've got another friend that is coming
29:05
into town. We all grew up together.
29:06
We've known each other since we were about 8 years old.
29:09
So 8-9 I think. I think she came in in the year
29:12
after we did so. So I'm really looking forward
29:16
to, I don't think we're going to catch any soccer while we're
29:19
there. Oh I still don't know the dog
29:24
would blossom trees cause the Dogwood is a tree and a flower I
29:30
can't remember. Gary PA is in the house joining
29:33
from Fukuoka, Japan. Thank you for being here.
29:36
I am making you young fourth opinion and I'm so sorry.
29:40
I am so sorry Autumn Doyle Gavin Blankets.
29:45
I would keep everything. You never know if they will come
29:48
back and need that for something.
29:51
Yeah, well, I would. Keep everything just for just
29:55
for the sentimental value of it. If if my children went missing
30:02
and I didn't know what happened to them now.
30:06
Now I would behave differently, I think.
30:09
Again, just putting on the devil's advocate hat here.
30:13
If I were responsible for their disappearance or their death.
30:20
Or their abuse perhaps then maybe I wouldn't want a reminder
30:26
of them in my life and I would get rid of everything that I
30:29
could of theirs. But being a person that doesn't
30:32
do that and being a person who is super sentimental, Oh my
30:38
goodness, I, I would keep, I would hold on to everything.
30:43
I would sleep with it. I would hold on to it.
30:46
And I think that is a normal, I think that would be a normal
30:52
response. Autumn says Gavin, I get holding
30:57
on to items, but at the same time, I think it would make it
31:00
much harder to grieve and move on.
31:02
See, but I think that's the thing Autumn is I don't think
31:06
it's possible to move on. I just just the same way that I
31:11
don't think it's possible to really have justice ever.
31:17
I I That's not to say that the. The idea of justice and the
31:22
seeking of justice isn't a noble thing and we should do it.
31:25
I I just don't think that we can have justice for a lot of crimes
31:29
in in this life. I think that for example, how do
31:35
you how do you make? Restitution for murder or for SA
31:38
or for other abuse, How do you do that?
31:40
You can't, right? In that same way, I just don't
31:45
think there's moving on from losing children.
31:48
I just don't. But I mean, that's just, that's
31:52
just me quibbling. What am I guys?
31:55
What am I? Professional quibbler here.
32:06
That's exactly what I am. Let's see, Arctic Cat says I
32:13
have 12 blessings and I keep everything hoping and praying
32:17
that they'll be found and returned safely and should come
32:20
back home to do something familiar.
32:23
It's beautiful. Me too.
32:25
Me too. Just Ducky.
32:27
I kept all my son's baby blankets and then gave them to
32:29
him when he had his son. Well, that is beautiful.
32:33
I love it. The children have not been
32:37
found, says Nancy. Why would anyone think about
32:40
moving on? I.
32:41
I honestly think they would only be thinking about moving on
32:44
respectfully to Autumn's comment.
32:45
Like I think it was a thought provoking comment.
32:48
And have good comment. I think the only people thinking
32:52
about moving on would be the the kind of people that that might
32:59
be guilty of being the. The perpetrators of the crime
33:06
and Autumn, you're right. Yeah, it's it, that is not how
33:09
you meant it. I know, I know you personally
33:11
and I and I get it. I I'm just being a quibbler,
33:13
right? That's what I do.
33:15
It's what I do. Yeah.
33:19
I mean, that's, that's what we have on the case right now.
33:24
Got more polygraph tests. We they're asking about the
33:28
blankie. They're saying that they have it
33:32
in their possession for forensics, you know, examination
33:36
and. That's it.
33:40
This is a tough case, man. This is a tough, tough case,
33:43
'cause there's just again, how in 2025 or later, I know we're
33:51
in 2026 now, does or or do children or does a child just
34:00
disappear even in the middle of nowheresville, Nova Scotia?
34:05
How does it happen? It's just.
34:07
It's just. Hard to fathom.
34:11
Jennifer, chiming in, says I wouldn't be able to let go of
34:15
anything associated with my missing kids.
34:17
I'm also a sentimental sort. In fact, I have my daughter's
34:20
baby blankets and special outfits from over 27 years ago.
34:23
Yeah, us too. One of the cool.
34:25
Things about this house that we bought is we have we we have a
34:31
cedar closet. It's.
34:34
The its only. Purpose is to have a place to
34:37
store clothes out of season. And it has been perfect because
34:43
all of our special clothes, like the the little outfits they were
34:48
blessed in when they were babies, their first blankets,
34:50
their, you know, their, their special little Halloween
34:55
costumes and stuff like that can all be kept safe.
34:57
And, and I go in there sometimes just to see them and just to
35:00
feel them because, because I love them so much.
35:03
My wife's wedding dress I think is in there and things like
35:06
that. So anyway, yeah, Jules and me
35:10
wasn't the other half of the blanket in the trash.
35:12
Yeah, I was. They they they put it out in the
35:14
trash. Oh, Susie Q, I'm so sorry to
35:19
hear this. My family lost a 2 year old
35:21
drowned in a koi pond. Grief lasts.
35:24
Yeah. Doesn't go away ever.
35:26
I mean, I was just back in California, what, a week ago,
35:30
two weeks ago, something like that, and met up with friends of
35:36
my, I'm sorry, the parents of my friend who passed away when we
35:40
were teenagers and and I was just his friend.
35:44
I wasn't his parents, right? And it's been 36 years and I
35:50
still grieve it. So yeah, it's doesn't make sense
35:56
they would throw that away. To me, that is telling that
36:00
there's some emotional disconnection happening, and I
36:06
can't imagine that that emotional disconnection would
36:09
happen without some sort of guilt.
36:12
Connected to it. And here I am.
36:14
I mean, this is speculation. This is rather sensationalism
36:18
too. Don't take this as gospel, guys.
36:21
This is just, this is just me thinking out loud, right?
36:24
This is not a theory. It's just, it's just suspicious
36:27
to me. Super, super, super suspicious.
36:31
But I mean, that's what all we've got on the case.
36:34
We will continue to keep our eye on it.
36:37
Boy, man, the time pass so fast. Let's hop into three questions,
36:40
shall we? OK.
36:49
In this segment I answer 3 questions that you sent to me.
36:55
I got to say, I'm down to like my last half a dozen questions
36:58
that are in the queue. So sending those questions, any
37:03
question will do as long as long as you.
37:05
Ask it right my you just sent it.
37:08
Three questions at gavinfish.com.
37:10
Three questions at gavinfish.com.
37:11
It is spelled out. THREE questions at
37:14
gavinfish.com. Please do me a favor, make your
37:19
question maybe a sentence or a phrase, not like 3 or 4
37:23
paragraphs long. Let's let's make him, let's make
37:30
him pithy, shall we? Let's make him brief to the
37:32
point. But I promise that I will answer
37:36
each one of your questions to the best of my ability.
37:39
If I ever have a guest on during a three question segment that
37:42
they apply to, I will definitely ask my guest too.
37:48
But. I get to choose the order in
37:50
which I answer them that. That's that's the deal.
37:53
That is the deal. Question number one, there was
37:57
no context from Colleen about this question.
38:00
It just asked. Are you aware of the YouTube
38:03
John Lardon at Lardon Arts? Colleen yes, I am John Lardon.
38:10
I became acquainted with through the Elisa Lamb case.
38:14
Man, talk about a roller coaster of a case.
38:17
And also talk about maybe a a case study and how not to be.
38:24
I'm not saying John, just saying a case study and how not to
38:28
behave as members of the. Public as members of the true
38:32
crime community. Man, there was so much rampant
38:35
speculation and it turns out that she had fallen into the
38:39
water tower. Oh my goodness.
38:41
But yeah, I saw John first on. The documentary series on the
38:47
Elisa Lamb case, can't remember the name of that.
38:49
If you guys remember, tell me, tell me the name of that.
38:52
It's really good. And I, I actually chatted with
38:57
him back, not not on the phone or anything.
38:59
We texted back and forth a couple times.
39:01
Seems like a real great guy. And he's got a good YouTube
39:05
channel. He's going strong.
39:08
Yeah. If you guys I I would suggest
39:10
subscribing to John Lord for sure.
39:13
Question number two, favorite painter from Rua asking me who
39:18
is my favorite painter. Now I am assuming by painter you
39:22
mean artist, not somebody who paints.
39:26
Houses or is a professional, you know, applier of of color to
39:32
walls and such. Rua, I am quite a fan of the
39:37
Impressionists. Now I also am not a billionaire.
39:46
Therefore man, something just happened to my headphones.
39:50
What just happened to my headphones?
39:51
There we go there we go hearing better.
39:53
Now I am not a wealthy person and therefore I don't own any of
40:01
the artwork that I am a huge fan of, but I do love the
40:06
impressionists. I love Renoir.
40:08
I love Bizarro, I love Van Gogh. I love.
40:11
Serrat. I love Serrat.
40:12
In fact, everybody knows maybe what would be his masterpiece
40:19
right Sunday on the island of Lajat, or LaGrange yacht, which
40:26
hangs in the Museum of Art in Chicago.
40:29
It's beautiful. It is the beginning of the
40:32
pointless movement. It is so great.
40:38
Anyway, the first time I went to Paris on business, you guys know
40:42
that I traveled extensively, but often times I just didn't have a
40:45
lot of time when I was in a particular place.
40:48
I was working, right? So rather than go to the Louvre
40:54
or to the Eiffel Tower or something like that, I just went
40:59
to Lajat, which is an island in just an island in the river.
41:06
What is the name of the river? It's an island in the Seine.
41:08
And I just walked around and I thought Sarat spent time on this
41:15
island, you know, painting. People as they.
41:19
Came and went and that's how big of a nerd I am about
41:24
impressionism. I like Degas.
41:27
So, yeah, the, the 19th century impressionists are my favorite.
41:30
When I was back in California for, you know, for business and
41:36
visiting family, I actually a, a modern impressionist who I
41:43
really love by the name of Gary Simonton was selling some work
41:48
and I, I had considered buying some prints of his.
41:53
And I, I mean, I actually know Gary and had gone to all sorts
41:59
of, of exhibitions that he did in Sacramento and the Foothill
42:05
areas of, of Northern California.
42:09
And I even was with him once when he was doing some
42:11
photography, some trains that he eventually did into a, into a
42:15
series. But I love, love, love his work.
42:19
And, and I purchased a couple pieces.
42:22
I ended up with three pieces and all in the impressionist.
42:26
Well, no, two in the Impressionist style and one in
42:30
the Cubist style that he did in College in the 70s.
42:33
And so I bought those three paintings.
42:35
Well, yeah, I got those three paintings and they haven't
42:40
arrived back in California yet. They were all very large and
42:45
needed shipping. So I, I got something a little
42:50
more contemporary, but still in that Impressionist style.
42:54
I just, well, two of them in the Impressionist style.
42:57
I haven't really been a fan of Cubism.
43:01
I'm really not a fan, you know, like classically Speaking of oh,
43:08
Picasso and stuff like that, right?
43:10
But because it was. Painted by Gary and because my,
43:13
my wife really loved the painting, we bought that piece
43:17
that he did back in the 70s and I'm, I'm really excited to have
43:21
it here and hang it in the house.
43:23
Thanks for the question, guys. Tell me what your favorite kind
43:26
of art style is. Doesn't have to be painting.
43:27
I'd love to hear it. I also really love black and
43:31
white photography. I'm actually going to reach out
43:35
to an artist that I really admire.
43:39
Also Northern Californian, also a living artist to see about
43:43
purchasing some of his work for the house.
43:45
I'm, I'm, yeah, I, I, I love black and white photography.
43:51
OK, Kelly asks. What makes you delve deeper or
43:56
revisit a case? Or is it just what's relevant or
43:59
something deeper? So for the channel, I try to
44:04
talk about whatever is happening in the current zeitgeist because
44:09
that's how, I mean, that's how you stay relevant and that's
44:13
how. You get views and honestly, this
44:17
is a job for me that I get paid for and I want to, I want to
44:21
present information on cases that people care about.
44:26
So that's one thing. But then there is a deeper
44:29
level, right, of cases that I really are at the top of my list
44:35
in order of importance, right? Some of those cases have been
44:40
Amanda Winkowski. And if you go over to my
44:43
website, let me bring that up for you guys.
44:45
Go over to my website. This is the Support me page, all
44:49
the different ways that you can support me financially.
44:51
And thank you, thank you, thank you to all of you, to my
44:52
patrons, to my members. Speaking of which, Speaking of
44:57
which, Autumn remind me reminded me that I have the ability.
45:05
To gift memberships. And here's the button.
45:11
Let's see if it works. There we are.
45:14
There we are. Yeah.
45:17
OK, going to do that. OK, so.
45:20
But thank you to my members, to my patrons, to those of you who
45:25
send me tips and Paypal's and all that stuff, thank you so
45:29
much. But if you also if you go to
45:31
cases. You will find a list of cases
45:35
that I have compiled pretty deep files on.
45:39
Amanda Winkowski is an important one to me.
45:44
She is one who was murdered in December of 2008.
45:51
Her frozen solid body was found in January of 2009.
45:57
And this is a big case file, guys.
46:00
Go check it out. Big, big, big, big, big case
46:02
file. Another one that obviously I'm
46:06
very invested in. I mean, the Ellen Greenberg
46:09
family is a family who I deeply love.
46:13
And there is a deep case file including, I mean, all sorts of
46:18
stuff on the Ellen Greenberg case.
46:21
Another one that I am well actually Father Joe, Father Joe
46:25
Marino is a case that I am very invested in.
46:29
This is another one where authorities say that he did it
46:34
to himself. I am.
46:35
I do not believe that. I believe that he was murdered.
46:40
David Elmquist is one that is very important to me.
46:43
Where's David? I just passed him.
46:45
Just saw him right there. David Elmquist.
46:47
So there these cases all have something in common and that is
46:51
that the investigating agencies or the prosecuting agencies all
46:57
say they this was an accident or this was self-inflicted.
47:03
And I say on these ones now I've seen some that have come to me.
47:07
That is that where people said my son, my brother, whomever
47:10
didn't do this to themselves. And I've had to say, I've had to
47:15
look at the evidence and say I'm, I'm leaning toward they
47:19
did. But these case, another one is
47:22
Sarah, where is Sarah? Sarah Easton, right here, right?
47:28
Friend of my sister's who her husband says that she did it to
47:33
herself with his service revolver.
47:35
He was the chief of police. I say I do not believe that for
47:39
one second, not for one second, having looked at the evidence.
47:44
So getting back to the question at hand, what makes me dig
47:48
deeper into cases? Well, if there is obvious, what
47:55
is the word that I'm looking for?
47:56
If there hold on, I will look up this word.
48:03
I blank sometimes obvious corruption.
48:06
If there's obvious corruption, I I am pulled into those cases.
48:13
If there is an injustice, I am, I am pulled into the cases.
48:18
If there is acrimony, if people, if the authorities are just
48:21
like, you know. What?
48:23
She was doing dangerous things. She was.
48:25
She was an addict. She kind of had this coming.
48:28
That's why it happened to her. Then I am upset about it.
48:33
It kills me. Yeah.
48:36
And also cases where you know. The.
48:44
The victim may remind me of a sister or a daughter or my mom
48:49
or something like that. Those are the ones that speak to
48:51
me most. What are the cases that speak to
48:54
you guys? And then question number, let's
48:57
see, that was question number three.
48:58
That is all of them. So those are your three
49:01
questions. Please don't forget to send in
49:04
your questions to three questions.
49:05
At Gavin fish dot. Com I love them as prompts to
49:09
discuss. With you guys, what what you
49:14
think? So let's go over to your
49:16
comments. Actually, no, Gavin, you're
49:19
getting ahead of yourself. We're going to do the headline
49:21
segment. While while you guys.
49:23
Are typing in what you want to tell me about your favorite
49:26
painter, the cases that are important to you, and so forth.
49:29
The channels that you love. Let's dig into some headlines.
49:40
True crime headlines. Okie Dokie, I've got three
49:44
headlines that I want to bring to you on cases that we are
49:47
following that are important to us.
49:49
Obviously maybe #1 on our list is the Nancy Guthrie case.
49:56
This from the New York Post earlier today written by Emily
49:58
Crane. It features our friend Jen.
50:02
Headline Key reason ex FBI agent Thinks a Nancy Guthrie arrest
50:05
could be close A former FBI agent believes that the decision
50:11
not to call in civilian search experts in the hunt for Nancy
50:14
Guthrie could signal that authorities are close to making
50:17
an arrest. Again, we're not taking this as
50:20
gospel. We're taking this as the opinion
50:22
of Jennifer Coffendafer, not as a fact.
50:24
Jennifer Coffendafer. Speculated that it could be.
50:26
Telling after United Cajun Navy, a volunteer LED search
50:30
organization, revealed that it offered help to the Pima County
50:34
Sheriff's Department last week as the search for the missing 84
50:37
year old reached the month mark but never heard back.
50:40
Quote Wondering why Sheriff Nanos keeps turning away proven,
50:45
very capable civilian search experts like Equisearch and the
50:49
real Cajun Navy Coffin Daffer wrote on X, continuing the quote
50:53
Is law enforcement close to an arrest?
50:57
And they know what happened to Nancy, so they don't want to
50:59
waste the valuable resources of these groups.
51:03
But why won't the sheriff at least acknowledge these groups?
51:06
Half glass full. Hoping law enforcement is
51:08
getting closer, she wrote. Is it possible?
51:13
I mean, maybe. And Jen is certainly entitled to
51:16
her opinion, and it is an educated opinion at that, and an
51:19
experienced one too. The next headline I want to
51:22
bring it to you is in the Quarry Richens trial, this one written
51:27
by Carolina Hassett on FOX 13 State calls final witness in
51:33
Cory Richins murder trial. I can't believe it.
51:35
We're already kind of halfway through our third week of this
51:38
trial. Can't believe that Dateline Park
51:40
City, UT written by Carolina hassett again.
51:45
The trial of Cory Richins resumed Wednesday after a
51:48
strange day yesterday, which the jury was dismissed Tuesday
51:52
following a debate over transcripts jurors would be able
51:55
to see. When the jury returned to the
51:58
courtroom at 1:00 PM, Richin's former housekeeper returned to
52:01
the stand to give the defense a chance to cross examine her
52:05
after finding out that she had violated a court probation in
52:09
2023 when she was seen with an alcoholic beverage.
52:13
Carmen Lobber had previously testified that she obtained the
52:16
drugs for Corey that were allegedly.
52:18
Used in Eric Richin's death. During Lobber's testimony, she
52:25
said that she had gone to a concert with a friend and
52:28
instead of paying her back, agreed to buy food and drinks.
52:32
Lobber confirmed that an officer saw her at the concert with a
52:36
drink in her hand. But said she didn't drink.
52:38
However, when told the probation officer saw saw her drinking,
52:44
Lobber said that if the officer said that then it is true.
52:47
OK, weird, weird, weird way to write that or to say it, OK.
52:55
After Lobber left the stand, the state called Detective Jeff O
52:58
Driscoll with the Summit County Sheriff's Office as its final
53:02
witness. You know.
53:06
I have O. Driscoll's in my extended family
53:09
out there in Summit County. They are cousins to my mom and I
53:15
know a couple of them like we interact with each other, but I
53:18
do not know Detective O Driscoll.
53:21
I, I don't know. O'Driscoll testified that during
53:24
a search of Lobber's home, detectives found THC products as
53:28
well as a firearm under the bed. Lobber is a winner here.
53:33
In addition, a clipping of Eric Richins obituary was found in
53:36
the middle of a mirror in the home.
53:38
Oh my goodness. What a dill hole.
53:42
What an idiot. Oh my goodness, you are an
53:45
idiot. Idiots.
53:48
Do I have a stupid criminal? Do I have a stupid?
53:50
Criminal sound. I feel like I should.
53:53
I need a stupid criminal sound. My goodness.
53:59
OK. I think he will probably
54:02
continue testifying tomorrow. Maybe.
54:06
I don't know. I haven't looked it up since we
54:07
started. And court didn't end by the time
54:10
we started tonight. All right.
54:12
Third and final. Do you guys remember the case of
54:15
Lake and Snelling? Let's see, I think I have do do
54:21
do do do do I? Do some pictures of Miss
54:25
Snelling. This was this is the former
54:29
University of Kentucky beauty queen.
54:33
And I don't know, she was a cheerleader or stunt team,
54:37
whatever you call members of the cheerleading stunt team,
54:41
whatever she is the one who was pregnant, allegedly gave birth
54:49
to her own child and took that child's life, if you guys
54:52
remember this. And of course, she looks
54:55
pregnant when she was. Oh, my goodness.
54:58
Yeah. Look at this.
54:59
Pictures of everybody knew she was pregnant.
55:01
Come on. Okie, dokie.
55:03
Anyway coming from KOMO News written by Jessica A Botello
55:11
former cheerleader indicted on 1st degree manslaughter charge
55:14
and newborn baby's death. This is just just came out
55:18
today. Lexington KY is our dateline.
55:22
A grand jury in Kentucky indicted 22 year old Lakin
55:25
Snelling on a first degree manslaughter charge in
55:28
connection with the death of her newborn baby boy, according to
55:33
authorities. The Lexington Police Department
55:36
announced the update in the case on Tuesday.
55:39
Snelling, a former University of Kentucky student and
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cheerleader, had previously faced charges that included
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abuse of a corpse, tampering with physical evidence and
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concealing the birth of an infant after police found a
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newborns body in her closet on August 31st, 2025.
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It's just horrifying and, and I, it's not lost on me the the
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perhaps mental illness or emotional illness that might
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have been taking place in Miss Snelling's heart and mind.
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Still, she needs to be held responsible if this is true,
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right? And I believe it is.
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Police said the infant, who was wrapped in a towel and hidden in
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a trash bag, was found after roommates reported hearing
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strange noises and seeing blood in Snelling's off campus room.
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According to authorities, an autopsy later determined the
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baby was born alive with asphyxia by undetermined means
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listed as the cause of death, prompting the grand jury's
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decision to add the more serious manslaughter charge.
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Quote, they were given the information about homicide, the
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four levels of homicide and then deliberated and decided that
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manslaughter first degree was the charge that should come out
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of the grand jury, Fayette Commonwealth's Attorney Kimberly
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Baird said of the grand jury, per WKYT.
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During questioning after her arrest, Snelling admitted she
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gave birth alone, fell asleep beside the newborn and later
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placed the baby's body and placenta in a trash bag before
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trying to clean the scene, according to court filings.
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Snelling was released on house arrest at her father's home in
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Tennessee after posting bond and has since withdrawn from UK.
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If convicted of first degree manslaughter, she could face 10
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to 20 years in prison under Kentucky law, with additional
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prison time possible for the other charges, according to
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WKYT. Baird said Snelling's next
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appearance in court will likely come within the next few weeks.
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And we will keep an eye on that. I think the most likely thing
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that will happen here is some sort of a plea that would keep
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her out of prison for one to two decades.
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I think that's probably what's going to happen there.
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And those guys are your headlines.
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Okie, Dokie, let's go on to what you guys are telling me over in
58:17
the live chat. Cooler by the Lake says.
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Always thought the Daniel was shady.
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I hope this case gets resolutions.
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So sad. It is indeed.
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Oh autumn found another camera that you'll never.
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Yes I am always up, especially if it's a film camera.
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My collection is growing and autumn.
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I have. I have.
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Put. About half a roll through the
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last Canon camera that that you that you gave me.
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It's been fun. Been a lot of fun.
58:55
Just Ducky says Ansel Adams is my favorite.
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Yeah. Fun fact, I have a contact print
59:02
an original Ansel Adams contact prints an 8 by 10 of his
59:08
moonrise over Hernandez. Love me some Ansel Adams.
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Let's see. Yeah.
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Welcome to the family. New fishies.
59:18
Yeah. I'm glad I remembered.
59:20
I can gift memberships. Autumn.
59:22
Autumn's keeping me honest here, guys.
59:25
I forgot that I can do that. Crystal says Vincent van Gogh is
59:29
her favorite. Yeah, I started.
59:31
To fall in love with the Impressionists after doing a a
59:36
play in high school that was an original piece written by my
59:41
high school theater teacher that we titled Van Gogh and it was
59:45
about the life of Vincent and I started to really fall in love
59:50
with Impressionism. Then pretty fun runs with
59:55
scissors. That reminds me of that scene in
1:00:00
Cheers where Frazier was talking about I can, I'm a dangerous
1:00:03
man. And then he grabbed scissors and
1:00:05
he ran around the bar. I am running with scissors.
1:00:08
It's one of the best scenes in television history.
1:00:11
OK, Gavin, are the mom and stepdad still together?
1:00:14
Did they ever turn on each other?
1:00:15
The blanket piece is really suspicious.
1:00:18
To my understanding, and I don't know this, they have split.
1:00:22
I mean, Mr. Martell said in an interview that she left.
1:00:27
I don't know if they're back together or anything like that,
1:00:29
But the last information I had was they're not together
1:00:33
anymore. I have not seen any evidence
1:00:36
that they've turned on each other.
1:00:37
But again, the caveat there is that in Canada, man, they just
1:00:43
do not release a lot of information.
1:00:44
So there's a lot of stuff that we don't know, right?
1:00:47
Did have they testified against each other or given interviews
1:00:50
to the police, you know, making accusations against the other?
1:00:55
I don't know. I don't know.
1:00:59
All right, let's see. Oh, yes.
1:01:03
Sky Ricky knew what the word was.
1:01:05
Corruption was the word Alan Greenberg.
1:01:08
That case is synonymous with corruption in my opinion.
1:01:12
Yeah, Dan Markell is another case that Sky Ricky cares about.
1:01:18
Let's see. Diane says I love Dolly.
1:01:21
Visited the museum in Sarasota, FL Spent the entire day there.
1:01:26
That's all. I I've never been really taken
1:01:29
in with Salvador Dali, though I recognize his value to to the
1:01:35
history of art. Speaking of other channels here
1:01:38
on YouTube that are just awesome.
1:01:41
I don't know if you guys subscribe to Baumgartner
1:01:43
Restorations. He is based in Chicago and he is
1:01:47
a master conservator of fine art.
1:01:52
He did. Let's see.
1:01:54
Actually, now I'm second guessing myself.
1:01:57
I think it was a Dolly that he did, but now I can't remember.
1:02:02
I can't remember. But pretty awesome.
1:02:05
Pretty awesome. Anything else?
1:02:10
Do do do do do do do. Do let's.
1:02:14
See, Robert the Ruse says. I love Degas and Van Gogh too.
1:02:19
I also don't like Cubism or surrealism or Dada.
1:02:23
I do like Impressionism and Fauveism, although the latter
1:02:27
can be a little dicey. Yes.
1:02:31
Ramona asks. Gavin, what are you drinking in
1:02:34
your pickle cup? In my dill hole cup, you mean?
1:02:37
Which is available at gavinfish.com in the swag shop,
1:02:43
which includes a definition of what a dill hole is.
1:02:48
Let me get it in the right spot there.
1:02:49
It's a mildly insulting term. Turn that off.
1:02:54
Used to describe someone acting foolish, annoying or clueless.
1:03:01
As in you, Mr. Stearns, are a dill hole.
1:03:04
I am drinking. Delicious water I get.
1:03:08
Parched as I as I speak to you all.
1:03:13
Oh my goodness, I should have turned on do not Disturb on my
1:03:17
phone. Guys, thank you so much for
1:03:19
spending some time with me tonight.
1:03:21
I'm glad that we have at least a little bit of an update on the
1:03:24
case of Lily and Jack Sullivan. I'm hoping that something is
1:03:28
going to happen here soon. Oh my goodness, Crystal saying
1:03:34
the Pascal show is is that's one that I subscribe to and check in
1:03:37
on every single day as well. I love Pascal show.
1:03:43
And Scotch's mom says, so glad I was able to catch the tail end
1:03:46
of the life tonight. Cory Richins just ended a few
1:03:49
minutes ago. Thank you very much for that
1:03:51
update, guys. I'm glad that we do have this
1:03:53
update. On the Sullivan Kiddos, I hope
1:03:56
that we have resolution soon. Remember that you can always
1:04:01
reach out to me on my website, gavinfish.com.
1:04:03
It is always, there's always a link to it down in the
1:04:06
description below. You're always invited to join us
1:04:09
in the fish tank on Facebook. That is where we hang out.
1:04:14
Just search the fish tank or fans of Gavin Fish or whatever.
1:04:17
You will find it there. About 6000 of us in there.
1:04:20
We talk about all things true crime and some personal things
1:04:23
here as well. So yeah, you're invited.
1:04:27
And we will be back tomorrow at 6:00 PM Eastern Time.
1:04:31
Wrong button. Gavin, what are you doing at
1:04:33
6:00 PM Eastern Time to continue another true crime conversation
1:04:38
with me. I hope that you join me then.
1:04:41
I don't know what case we're going to be on.
1:04:43
It could be Corey Richins, could be Nancy Guthrie.
1:04:46
It just really depends on, there are lots of cases that we are
1:04:50
following right. I, I keep wondering when we're
1:04:52
going to get an update on Nick Reiner on Spencer Monique Tepe
1:04:58
on Caitlin Tracy. I, I'm keeping my eye on all of
1:05:01
those and I will bring you the latest news as we get it.
1:05:05
Until then, I bid you, I do. Thank you very much for being
1:05:09
here and I'll catch you on the next one.
1:05:11
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