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Smartphone Addiction- Is the World Waking Up? · Millennial Mental Health Channel

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  Speaker 1: So ready to set go Eddie right now? How many
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  Speaker 1: hours of screen.
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  Speaker 2: Time do you have per day?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Fuck? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to MMHC, your go to mental health podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Eddie Koreo, a licensed professional counselor.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm Justin Romano, a Board certified child and Adolescent psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 3: We created MMHC to give listeners evidence based information directly
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  Speaker 3: from professionals who work in mental health.
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  Speaker 1: We're not influencers, We're not trying to sell you anything.
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  Speaker 1: We just want to bring love, empathy, and understanding of
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  Speaker 1: mental health into this world.
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  Speaker 3: And we really think that learning about mental health should
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  Speaker 3: be fun, interesting, and most importantly honest.
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  Speaker 1: So thanks for tuning in. This is a show by
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  Speaker 1: two millennials, but it is intended to be for everyone.
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  Speaker 1: We hope you enjoy the show. MMHC is a production
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  Speaker 1: of Speaker from iHeartMedia.
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  Speaker 3: I heartma It's gotten better research recently. I was pretty thrilled.
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  Speaker 3: I had one that was like in the five hour range,
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  Speaker 3: like that, you know, not bad. I've definitely seen some
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  Speaker 3: where it's eight. I just hit it. We just started
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  Speaker 3: Summer break two days ago, so that that is something
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  Speaker 3: that worries me a little bit. I'm gonna need to
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  Speaker 3: figure something out. But yeah, I would like to say
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  Speaker 3: I think I've gotten a lot better with it at work.
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  Speaker 3: And actually I can bring this up again later. But
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  Speaker 3: we're moving to a door to door policy at my
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  Speaker 3: school next year, so we're actually gonna do as soon
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  Speaker 3: as kids get into the building until they walk out,
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  Speaker 3: no cell phones anywhere. That means during passing period, during lunch,
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  Speaker 3: if they're a teacher's assistant or an office aid and
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  Speaker 3: they're sitting there and just kind of hanging out, they
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  Speaker 3: just gotta hang out no phones. So the expectation is
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  Speaker 3: that staff and teachers do that too. So I think
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  Speaker 3: that'll help me a ton. I'm just gonna leave it
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  Speaker 3: at my desk and you know, kind of going from there.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel better about it. Yeah, thanks for
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  Speaker 3: putting me on the spot. What are you at? Like
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  Speaker 3: an hour and a half?
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  Speaker 1: About three mother on average? I mean, not trying to
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  Speaker 1: be like, oh lower than you. But and it went
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  Speaker 1: down after I had a child because he just you know,
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  Speaker 1: he takes a lot of attention and focus.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I got a really funny story too, where the other
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  Speaker 1: day I had let out a flatulence.
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  Speaker 2: I had tooted.
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  Speaker 1: Hard to say that I'm trying to be the doctor
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  Speaker 1: persona here on the show. Here hard to say that
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  Speaker 1: I farted in doctor speak. But he actually like came
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  Speaker 1: around and like checked my pants and looked at me
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  Speaker 1: and went poopoos. And I was like, I was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: no poopoos. And then he puts his hand on my shoulder,
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  Speaker 1: it looks me dead in the eye, and goes, let's
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  Speaker 1: change your diaper. I could not believe that he said
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  Speaker 1: that he's two years.
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  Speaker 3: Ago, that he's been wearing a diaper for a week.
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  Speaker 2: I have to at his recommendation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no choice, doctor's orders.
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  Speaker 1: So today we are talking smartphones and tech addiction. One
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  Speaker 1: of the reasons why we wanted to talk about this
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  Speaker 1: is because the tech talk that I did back.
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  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: Man, it's already been a long time now, twenty twenty Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: November twenty twenty two, it's almost is at half a
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  Speaker 1: million views, so it's I know.
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  Speaker 2: It's been. It's been totally wild.
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  Speaker 1: I've had people reach out to me from all over
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  Speaker 1: the country wanting to talk about cell phone and tech
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  Speaker 1: addiction stuff. So it's been such a cool thing, a
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  Speaker 1: great way to meet people, a great way to talk
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  Speaker 1: to people, great way to connect. So we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: give a little update on the situation in these past
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  Speaker 1: couple of years and see if there's been any big
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  Speaker 1: changes and updates. So that's why we were doing this today.
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  Speaker 3: Justin talked about a lot has happened. There was the
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  Speaker 3: there's a bunch of states led by Colorado suing Meta.
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  Speaker 3: There haven't really been any updates since twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 3: but I think one of our previous episodes we talked
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  Speaker 3: about how there's a quote unquote whistleblower in Meta that
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  Speaker 3: basically was like, hey, we're kind of doing some sketchy
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  Speaker 3: stuff here, like we need to stop. And I think
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  Speaker 3: they even helped to stop the release of a was
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  Speaker 3: it an Instagram for like children or for preteen something
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  Speaker 3: like that. Meta was working on something and right around
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  Speaker 3: the same time the plans got squashed because all the
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  Speaker 3: stuff came out. Some other updates include Australia they banned
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  Speaker 3: social media for children under sixteen. This actually places a
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  Speaker 3: burden of responsibility on tech companies, which is something that
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  Speaker 3: Justin has talked about for a long time and that
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  Speaker 3: we've kind of advocated for tech companies face a fine
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  Speaker 3: of thirty two million dollars if they do not stop
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  Speaker 3: children from logging in. So there's been some changes. What
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  Speaker 3: else have we seen, justin in the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: In the state of Florida, they are the process of
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  Speaker 1: banning social media accounts for anyone under the age of fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: So go Florida.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: South Korea banned video games for children under sixteen during
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  Speaker 1: the timeframe of midnight to six am, which that would
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  Speaker 1: have affected me when I was younger if I had
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  Speaker 1: lived in South Korea.
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  Speaker 3: That's prime gaming time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember playing games until the sun came
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  Speaker 1: up over the summer, especially like I remember like getting
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  Speaker 1: to bed and looking at my window and being like,
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  Speaker 1: oh the sun is coming up now, maybe I should
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  Speaker 1: maybe we should sleep more.
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  Speaker 3: The Netherlands has banned mobile devices in the classroom, which
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  Speaker 3: is kind of what we're trying to do. And then
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  Speaker 3: many European countries require parental consent if teens are to
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  Speaker 3: use social media, so kind of a big deal. It's
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  Speaker 3: it's nice to see some changes. I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: made what's going to be best, but I mean, you
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  Speaker 3: got to try something different. This is an ever changing beast.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about it for years, We're going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about it for years, probably until we retire, and it's
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  Speaker 3: something that changes all the time. But we've got to
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  Speaker 3: try different things because if we don't, then you can
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  Speaker 3: never expect anything to change.
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  Speaker 1: So it seems like the needle is finally turning right.
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  Speaker 1: People are starting to understand that tech and screen addiction
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  Speaker 1: is a real thing and we need to start making
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  Speaker 1: big societal changes to try and combat it. One of
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  Speaker 1: the biggest studies that the United States has going right
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  Speaker 1: now on screen addiction is the ABCD study, the Adolescent
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  Speaker 1: Brain Cognitive Development Study, which is the most comprehensive study
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  Speaker 1: in the US going on right now on brain development
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  Speaker 1: kids with screens, and they're starting to show some pretty
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  Speaker 1: important findings. From the Dandelion Training and Development website which
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  Speaker 1: kind of summarized some of the recent findings, they found
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  Speaker 1: that screen uses causes children to score lower on tests
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  Speaker 1: of language, literacy, critical thinking, and reasoning. The study found
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  Speaker 1: that screen times correlated to a higher number of depression symptoms,
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  Speaker 1: specifically video chats, texting videos, video games. These were the
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  Speaker 1: screen types with the greatest association for depression symptoms. They
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  Speaker 1: also found that screen exposure mediated the rewards system development
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  Speaker 1: and the inhibitory control system of the brain, like over
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  Speaker 1: a two year period of studying this. So these studies
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  Speaker 1: are showing that there is brain development changes because of
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  Speaker 1: how much our kids are consuming screens.
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  Speaker 3: Did I ever tell you that we have an AP
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  Speaker 3: psych at my school as a class and I asked
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  Speaker 3: the teacher if I could do a like a AP
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  Speaker 3: question for fun, just to see how we do. I
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  Speaker 3: tell you, I don't think this is like a month ago. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so it just clicked right now. I've totally forgot to
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  Speaker 3: tell you. But the so what it's called the evidence
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  Speaker 3: based question, So if there's anyone out there that's taken
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  Speaker 3: an AP test recently or that's going to take one whatever,
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  Speaker 3: And basically what it was is that I had a
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  Speaker 3: prompt and the prompt was using the articles below, like
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  Speaker 3: the short snippets create a hypothesis and like talk about
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  Speaker 3: why or related to a psychological theory that helps support
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  Speaker 3: it or whatever and over yeah, something like that. So
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  Speaker 3: my overall hypothesis was that the excessive use of social
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  Speaker 3: media and screens negatively impacts the overall well being of
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  Speaker 3: teens and young adults, and so I must now, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: thank you, I'm looking at it now. And one of them,
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  Speaker 3: one of the sources said that, and these are real sources,
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  Speaker 3: so this is not just pulling shit out of my ass,
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  Speaker 3: this is like legit. One of them was that researchers
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  Speaker 3: found a positive association between loneliness and longer screen time,
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  Speaker 3: and the other sources found that researchers found a negative
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  Speaker 3: association with social well being and social media use. So
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  Speaker 3: I just used that along with what was it, Erickson's
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  Speaker 3: theory of psychosocial development and then social learning theory to
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  Speaker 3: like support my argument. And so, yeah, I just made
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  Speaker 3: me think about that.
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  Speaker 1: What was your score, he said, I would.
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  Speaker 3: Have got a five. Yeah, at least on that one,
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  Speaker 3: he said, I would scored well.
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  Speaker 1: Which is the highest score at Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I did tell him. I was like, I couldn't remember
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  Speaker 3: the exact names of social learning theory or eric'son psychosocial development,
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  Speaker 3: but I think about that stuff all the time when
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking to parents and kids, so I did have
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  Speaker 3: to look that up. So I'm fine with moving my
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  Speaker 3: score down a little bit. But I thought that was
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  Speaker 3: pretty good, not being in school for a while.
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  Speaker 2: And how much chat do youpt?
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  Speaker 1: Did you use on.
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  Speaker 3: Zero off the dome? Yeah? Old school? Yeah, tablet and
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  Speaker 3: fucking chiseling' yep.
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  Speaker 2: That's oh yeah, that's what we had to do growing up, right,
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  Speaker 2: that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Well along the lines of my quick research with the
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  Speaker 3: ap psychology Test practice questions, we have some stats in facts.
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  Speaker 3: So from the cdc UH they said that about half
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  Speaker 3: of teenagers get four plus hours of screen time per day.
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  Speaker 3: I'd be willing to bet we can probably do half
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  Speaker 3: get more than we can start the bottom like higher,
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  Speaker 3: but maybe I'm just being an ass They also found
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  Speaker 3: that sixty percent of black teens had over four hours
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  Speaker 3: per day and that overall this disproportionately impacts impacts black people.
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  Speaker 3: Kids with four plus hours of screen time have a
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  Speaker 3: twenty five point nine percent chance of also being depressed,
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  Speaker 3: which makes sense along with rates of anxiety. So if
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  Speaker 3: you look at the numbers, children teens who get over
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  Speaker 3: four hours have about a twenty seven point one percent
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  Speaker 3: rate of anxiety, while those that get under four hours
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  Speaker 3: are at twelve point three percent. It's a pretty big
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  Speaker 3: junk over over double. Another association they found was that
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  Speaker 3: lower parental education was associated with higher screen times than kids,
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  Speaker 3: and these were based off of self reports of screen time.
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  Speaker 3: So one thing to think about is that they might
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  Speaker 3: be under reporting, which I might have done right at
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  Speaker 3: the start of this episode. I don't think I did,
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  Speaker 3: but just things to take into account from the CDC stats.
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  Speaker 1: One thing I've noticed in I talked to kids about
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  Speaker 1: the screen time quite often is that they do under
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  Speaker 1: report it. They'll tell be like, oh, yeah, it's totally
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  Speaker 1: like two three hours a day, and it'll be like,
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  Speaker 1: pull out your phone, show me your screen time app.
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  Speaker 1: It's always higher than what they say because there isn't
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  Speaker 1: an amount of shame that goes with it, an amount
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  Speaker 1: of trying to underreport, because especially with parents, there's also
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  Speaker 1: there's always this like transactional relationship where it's like they
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  Speaker 1: don't want parents to know how much they are on
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  Speaker 1: their phone because they don't want screen time limits enforced.
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  Speaker 1: So there's reasons why that they're doing this, but I
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  Speaker 1: think it's really important to understand why.
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  Speaker 3: You know, what else typically gets underreported by teens when
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  Speaker 3: you ask them.
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  Speaker 2: Drug use, drug use, yeah, bingo.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know if I've ever heard it
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  Speaker 3: in a training or maybe it's just like a trick
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  Speaker 3: of the trade. But when I was doing drug and
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  Speaker 3: alcohol assessments, when I do like the what do we
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  Speaker 3: used to call them integrated assessments or his mental health
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  Speaker 3: and drug and alcohol, the advice I was given was
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  Speaker 3: that anytime you ask specifically about a number of drinks
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  Speaker 3: or time smoking and all that, you can kind of
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  Speaker 3: assume it's a little higher because teams just tend to
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  Speaker 3: under report, and honestly, we can go back. Adults tend
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  Speaker 3: to under report too. I don't think it's just a
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  Speaker 3: teenager thing.
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  Speaker 1: Totally, especially in a healthcare setting where you're like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't really want to tell my dentist how much I'm
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  Speaker 1: smoking right now?
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  Speaker 3: Right? Yeahah, yeah, that's fair.
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  Speaker 1: So one thing I've heard a lot people speculating is like,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like this younger generation just isn't driving as much,
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  Speaker 1: they're not getting their licenses as much. So I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to look into it, and I found an article from
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  Speaker 1: USA Today which analyzed data from the US Department of Transportation,
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  Speaker 1: which I have no reason to doubt at this point,
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  Speaker 1: but between nineteen eighty three and twenty twenty two, the
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  Speaker 1: number of sixteen year old driver's licenses is declining from
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  Speaker 1: about one half to a quarter, so that's like a
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  Speaker 1: lot less people driving at sixteen. In the rate of
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  Speaker 1: eighteen year olds with driver license driver's licenses has dropped
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  Speaker 1: from eighty percent to about sixty percent.
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  Speaker 3: As someone in the schools, I feel like I can
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  Speaker 3: anecdotally agree with this. Yeah, I think a lot less
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  Speaker 3: of our older sophomores and then junior seniors are driving
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  Speaker 3: or getting parking permits like people were. Just yeah, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Along with the article, they also mentioned that since the
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  Speaker 3: year two thousand, the number of sixteen year olds old
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  Speaker 3: sixteen year olds with driver's license has decreased nearly twenty
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  Speaker 3: seven percent, so a quarter. The article mentions that the
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  Speaker 3: increase in technology is a big reason why people are
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  Speaker 3: opting out of driving. They get their community online and
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  Speaker 3: not in person, and there's also more writes share options
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  Speaker 3: that there were in the past. I think that's a
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that's an interesting point. The community online,
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  Speaker 3: same thing with it and not even like people who
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  Speaker 3: aren't in your general vicinity. I think even your friends,
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  Speaker 3: everyone's snapchatting and FaceTime each other and like talking virtually
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  Speaker 3: instead of like needing to be right next to each other.
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  Speaker 1: The screens have completely changed the young person experience in
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  Speaker 1: the world to where for hundreds of thousands of years
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  Speaker 1: you had to leave your house or at least bring
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  Speaker 1: your friends to your house. You had to meet your
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  Speaker 1: friends in person if you wanted to interact with them,
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  Speaker 1: And now there are so many different ways to interact
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  Speaker 1: with your friends outside of the house or sorry, in
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  Speaker 1: your house with screens. Plus, young people also gravitate more
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  Speaker 1: towards public transportation and biking, which is a good.
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  Speaker 2: Thing in my opinion.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So one thing I'll add is I feel
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  Speaker 3: like there's also been not that it was ever a
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  Speaker 3: negative thing or should have been a negative thing, but
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  Speaker 3: the normalization of online friends and people like saying like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I have an online friend. I met this friend online.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that was like stigmatized before, but now
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  Speaker 3: it seems like less and less stigmatized, Like it's it
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  Speaker 3: feels more accepted. I remember seeing or hearing of like
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  Speaker 3: kids or even adults who met their like gaming friend
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  Speaker 3: for the first time in like six years, like they
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  Speaker 3: met online and they just started gaming together all the time,
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  Speaker 3: and that being kind of like, oh, that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: like weird or you know, people kind of like talking
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  Speaker 3: down on it. But now it feels like pretty normalized
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  Speaker 3: for people to make friends online and them having them
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  Speaker 3: at the same value as like people that they know
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  Speaker 3: in person. It's something I've thought about totally.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're spending hours talking to these people, you
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  Speaker 1: really can't build a solid relationship with them. So I
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  Speaker 1: know sometimes people look down on those types of relationships.
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  Speaker 1: But I even remember being in junior high and one
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  Speaker 1: of my best friends had a video game buddy that
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  Speaker 1: we would play with that we had never met in
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  Speaker 1: real life, and he like lived in Missouri or something,
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  Speaker 1: and we would play with him like all the time,
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  Speaker 1: and I got to know him a little bit too,
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  Speaker 1: and it was just it felt a little weird at
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  Speaker 1: the time, like being like, I know this guy, but
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  Speaker 1: I've never actually.
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  Speaker 2: Met this guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but now it's become commonplace.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. In the state of Oregon right now, it's a
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  Speaker 3: long session right legislatively, so people were trying to get
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of bills passing all that. There's actually a
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  Speaker 3: bill that was moving through and went through the House
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  Speaker 3: and then it ends of dying in the Senate that
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  Speaker 3: was going to ban cell phones from schools that they
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  Speaker 3: were going to basically require every school district to do
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  Speaker 3: a bell to bell rule ultimately didn't pass and it
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  Speaker 3: died there. But it sounds like what they ended up at,
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  Speaker 3: or what we're going to move forward with, is there
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  Speaker 3: is going to be like a quote unquote cell phone ruling,
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  Speaker 3: but it's basically up to every school district in the
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  Speaker 3: state to have their own. Basically, every school district is
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  Speaker 3: required to have a rule. Every school district is allowed
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  Speaker 3: to choose what their rule is. So even more I
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  Speaker 3: would be willing to bet that it's not just an
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  Speaker 3: Oregon thing that's passing, right, the other states are probably
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  Speaker 3: doing very similar things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like it, and we'll dive more into
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  Speaker 1: those and keep giving you updates as they come, especially
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  Speaker 1: once they are confirmed by states senates and get put
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  Speaker 1: into place. So some of the recommendations, because we always
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  Speaker 1: like giving you recommendations on the show to how to
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  Speaker 1: live the healthiest life possible. So for screen time, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking kids, I'm talking parents, I'm talking everyone, create
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  Speaker 1: screen free times and places, family dinners, family game nights,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: times where we say, hey, everyone's putting their phone away. No,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: one's using their phones right now. Let's take a break
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and let's be together in person, no distractions. Another thing
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: that people like to do are tech detoxes, like plan
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: a trip with no phones or no tech. I think
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: that's why so many young people are really getting into camping,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: is because it's kind of a natural way to say, like, Okay,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have my phone. There's no service out there,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to leave it. Plus, one of the
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: things that I try and advocate for is like leaving
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: your phone in a place where you can't access it
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: and just like giving yourself a whole day, like if
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: you just like leave it on your nightstand with the
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: ringer on so that if anyone's really trying to get
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: a hold of you or get in touch with you,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: you'll know what it is. But not having it in
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: your pocket, not having it with you and on your
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: person all the time to check because I notice if
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I don't have my phone on me, I feel myself
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: reaching for my phone constantly, and that feels like addiction
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: to me, and I don't like that. So little tips.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Some other ones could be things like no phone phones
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: or video games in the room during bedtime, just trying
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: to especially if you have all the just like the
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: it's not letting you fall asleep when you have a
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: especially because I have my brightness up a lot. But
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: when you have your phone right in your face or
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: you're gonna get dryin in your face, you're not really
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: prepping for bedtime. Your body's not getting ready for it.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Screen time limits are always a good idea. It helps
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: just prevent the problem from ballooning. I know it can
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: be hard. I know it can be pretty difficult, but
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: that's that's always a good option if you're the adult
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: in the situation trying to set a good example that's
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: going to fall to us this next school year. I'm
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: gonna do my best. I'm gonna just so usually we'll
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: stand in the in the hall in between passing periods
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: just like see students and you know, be available. I'm
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: just gonna have to leave my phone in the office
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: and not pull it out, and you know, got to
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: try to set a good example. I was in a
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: video chat like a meeting and virtual meeting the other
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: day where this high school in the area had implemented
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: kind of this program that just helps overall with like
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: school culture and like togetherness and connectedness to school. And
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: one thing that he said really stuck out and have
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: thought about in a lot of different instances, But basically
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: what he said was that with something new like this,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to expect that as the adult, you're
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: gonna have to take on a lot of the responsibility
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: in the beginning. And it's not because the kids don't care.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: It's not because the kids are just trying to like
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: screw around. It's just one of those things that is
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: right now. So I think with this is the same thing,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: as the adults, we're gonna have to lead by example
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: and start to kind of carry the heavy load in
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: the beginning because it's gonna be a shift. I I
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: don't know how it's gonna go. We get it back
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: in August, but we'll give it a shot.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: And it might be hard, but I'm guessing it'll get
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: easier with time, and before you know it, it'll be
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: second nature. We'll realize, like, oh man, I can't believe
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: we ever allowed phones in our schools, and I can't
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: believe we allowed this distraction to be in our school
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: twenty four to seven in the past.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Some other things can be to consider, only allowing social
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: media at older ages, or even not at all, continue
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: to advocate for legal change. I think it's been cool
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: to see different states and places trying to make changes
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: and try to enforce some things, not just community wide,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: but you know, state wide and even state to state.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: We also continue to advocate that tech companies are held
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: responsible because ultimately they knew what they were doing. Mark Zuckerberg, TikTok,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: everybody else whoever made snapchat, YouTube, all that stuff. They
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: ultimately have known what they're doing, and they've taken advantage
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: of it. I saw a TikTok video the other day
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: where they talked about how social media has really shifted
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: from it used to be a chronological thing where you'd
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: want to see what your friends were doing and see
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: posts in chronological order, but now it's really shifted to
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: like an algorithm based thing where you want to see
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: new things that you're not really they're not following, or
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: that might be of interest to you, and these tech
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: companies have really taken advantage of that. You kind of
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: see it all over. I deactivated my Facebook a while ago,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: but before I did, I felt like I was seeing
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: more things that were recommended to me than like people
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I followed, and then on Instagram, same thing I'm getting,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: you know, stuff that I'm like, I don't even follow
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: these people. I don't what the hell is who are
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: these people? I like, yeah, you know, seeing It's just
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: it's it's way more algorithm based and way more trying
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: to get you hooked into the app than it is.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Let me just see what Justin and Dana are posting, right,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: it's way more, way more the algorithm stuff. And then
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: and they know what they're doing.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: A big reason why we got to hold those tech
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: companies accountable. On the tech Talk, actually someone had put
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: a comment on there and said, like he's really going
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: after the tech companies, Like is this guy still alive?
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: When I commented on.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: It, it was like alive and kick It's hell. I
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: saw a picture today too of it was like a
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: picture from nineteen seventy eight, and it was like a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: bunch of old white dudes swearing on a bible under oath,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and it said, these are the tobacco company CEOs swearing
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: under oath that their product is not addictive. Wild companies
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and big corporations are going to lie through their teeth
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: to protect their profits. So we have to hold them accountable.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: That was the only way we got big change on
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the tobacco industry. And I bring up the tobacco industry
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a lot because that is a big success story from
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: us from a societal standpoint, where we were able to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: turn things around. There have been other examples, especially like
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the food industry, where we have not been able to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: turn things around. We have not been able to hold
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: food companies accountable for causing the obesity crisis. So we
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: can either help this thing or make it worse. And
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the first and best thing that we can do is say, hey,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you're making us all sick. You have to be accountable
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: for this too, because companies love passing the responsibility onto people.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Another big example of that is global warming. How they've
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: tried to say, oh, how can you reduce your carbon footprint?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: How can you make a difference, instead of saying, like,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: how can we stop polluting and raping the earth?
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you that shit kind of worked because I
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: feel like I used to use straws for sure, and
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: now I never They fucking got me.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: It's the guilt, right, I mean, it's effective strategy and
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that's why they do it.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Same thing with plastic bags. We got a bunch of
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: reusable bags. That's all we use.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: That what I'm okay with.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: It's a good system.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they shouldn't have just been given they still
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: we use millions of plastic bags every year at those stores,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and if they just made a dedicated effort to stop,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't use them.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: So some discussion questions for today, like what are some
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: extreme cases?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Can anything we're tech?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: You've seen it really get in the way of young
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: people's lives or adults lives.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've seen instances where kids have full
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: on lack of a better word, just meltdown because they're
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: not they don't have their phone. Hey, you gotta put
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: your phone away? No, No, I can't. Well no, you
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: got to go back to No. I like, all right,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: I guess we're calling home, or you know, kid pushing
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: a staff out of the way to try to get
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: their phone, or a kid reaching out a staff's arm
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: and scratching it up and an attempt to get their phone. Like,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: we've seen it a good amount and it's just reactions
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: that don't seem to fit what's going on in the moment,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: don't seem to fit the environment, but it's just what
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: our kids have. They've gotten addicted. Yeah, we'll say that
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: they've gotten addicted or highly highly dependable dependent on the phones.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: And it's really tough. It's really tough to break that.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I would say for my kids that I see that
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: have like ten plus around twelve even.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: More hours per day.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just they're highly anxious, they're super socially awkward,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: they don't have any people skills, they don't have any hobbies.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: All they do is screens, and they're just not really
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: living a full life. So that's one of my main
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: messages to kids. It's like my wife gives this example
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: all the time of on your gravestone, do you want
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: it to say like how many hours you spent on
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: your phone? Or do you want it to say all
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the things you did in life? Like what's more important
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: is just staring at that screen or actually living your life.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: So trying to get people to understand that that the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: life you live on your phone just isn't nearly as
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: fulfilling as the life you can live in person.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: We've talked about it, but like, what are some some
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: positives that screens in tech can provide?
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: You know, there's there's lots. The thing is, they just
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: have to be done in moderation. I've seen a lot
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: of kids get some really great drugs on Snapchat, and
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I think that's an awesome thing.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Just kidding, Okay. The semi funny thing about that is
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: when when like police departments or like county officials will
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: send out like these are what these emojis mean? And
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: then like you talk to kids and like, what the
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: fuck is that?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: What?
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Who talks like that? Yeah, we just there's a disconnect.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a disconnect.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And I know we talked a lot about it on
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: our last episode too. But I do like the fact
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: that kids can be connected, that there are a ton
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: of great tools on cell phones that kids can use,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and you know, there are some good things. It's just
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: it's gotten so out of hand. That's that the hours
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and hours of screen time every day is really when
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: you run into the problems.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the same thing, the connection. You can
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: still have the positives the way things have been made
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: easier because of screens and tech. We were just talking
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: earlier about plane tickets. I can get my plane ticket
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: on my phone. I don't got to go print anything.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: I don't got to go go to the stand. I
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: can take care of all that. I can do all
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: this thing, Like there's just so much. I can order
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: a lift when I get you know, I went to
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: South Korea in November and I could just order an
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: uber from the fucking airport. Like, man, it's so easy,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, It's made it's good life easier for sure.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: What about Okay, so you are a father, what are
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: you going to do screen time wise with Liam? What
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: are we doing and for any potential future children or
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: what would you tell parents in terms of like what
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: could be helpful. It's not a one size fits all, but.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Trying to lay it as much as possible. Try and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: not give kids phones until a set age. I know
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: it's so hard, and I know that kids are going
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: to whine and complain, and I know I've talked about
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: like third graders who have told me like I feel
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: like an outcast because I'm the only one in my
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: class who doesn't have a phone. And it's really tough too,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: because we try and not give my son our phones,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: and then of course he hangs out with grandparents for
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: a day and and he's on the phone the whole time,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and he asks for it, he requests it, but just
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: trying to lay it. If you do give phones, set
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: screen time limits, try and set up some sort of
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: parental control stuff, so you know, they're not getting into
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the things they should not be getting into, communicating with
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the people should not be communicating with, because that phone
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: literally connects them with any one on earth.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: That's wild.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: You ever heard of the bark phone. Yeah, yeah, it's
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: very popular. Yeah, I know, I know a bunch of
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: kids that have one. It looks just like which is good.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, not only does it look, but it is.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: It's just a regular kind of Samsung phone and you
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: can either get the phone or you can get the app.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: But they're all kind of helpful and helping to limit
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: things that kids are doing. If you if you really
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: feel like it's time to give your kid a phone,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: there's ways that you can help protect kind of what's
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: going on. And I've even heard of like parents like hey,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I saw my kid type. I mean, we've gotten kids
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: have gotten busted with drugs in their backpack because someone
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: that texted them something and their mom'saw it or their
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: dad saw it and they told the school. So you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: it's it is a lot of responsibility, but there's ways
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: that you can help manage that.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: So one thing I wanted to talk about to discussion wise,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: like what's still needs to happen in this world to
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: really start pushing back on cell phone addiction. And you know,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I mentioned in the TED talk that there is no
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: recognized DSM diagnosis or ICD diagnosis for cell phone addiction.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: And you know, the TED talk was years ago and
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: there is still nothing, Like there is still no ICD code.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: There is still no DSM diagnosis for screen time and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: phone addiction other than like Internet gaming disorder that's the
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: only one, or Internet gambling I think is one two
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: on there too. But yeah, there is nothing that allows
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: us to identify and label this track it treat it
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: that this has been a huge failure of I think
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the mental health community, in a psychiatric community, that we
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: have not been able to come together and come down
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: with a specific set of criteria for creating this diagnosis.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: You got to think with the DS like, there's gonna
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: be something.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: And if there's not, I'm gonna be a ks.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I just googled, and of course I get
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: the Google Gemini to give me like a quick thing,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: and then I clicked on an article so from mastermind
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Behavior dot com. Uh, there hasn't been anything official with
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: the DSM six, but you know, historically there's a lot
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: of time and research and things that goes into the
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: development of a new version of it, the next version.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: If you think back, so the DSM four, between the
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: four and the five, there's fourteen years, and it looks
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: like between the DSM three R and the DSM four
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: there was seven years. So you can assume it's probably somewhere. Well,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I mean right now we're at twelve years. I think
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: came out in twenty thirteen. The DSM five yes, yes,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: or at about twelve years, so you can assume in
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: the next two to five years maybe something might come out.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: So yeah, you gotta you gotta that there's that's next, right,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Like that's yeah, you.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Would hope and if there's not, there's gotta be.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: And I talked about this, We're gonna be doing a
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: podcast with the Ritual Sisters. I was just a guest
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: on their show, and we talked about how like this
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: is my conspiracy theory cap coming on that I think
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: maybe the tech companies are are stopping this from happening,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: are changing the way we communicate online and trying to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: prevent people from actually coming together. So you know, that's
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: my conspiracy. I don't know if that's actually I have
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: no evidence to support that, but there seems like, why
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: is this not happening. It seems so obvious, it seems
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: so needed, and it's just we're not even close.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, it's just like when those companies
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: like try to donate money and the lobbyists. That's what
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: it is. When they get like lobbyists and shit in
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: their favor so that things don't go against them. I
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: don't think that's a conspiracy at all. That feels legit.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: And then you found as we get ready to wrap up,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: you found like an article that links potentially just just
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: some speculation, just some numbers, but still of interest. It's
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: something that links screens and autisms, tell autisms, autism, tell
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: us more. Well.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I know that we just did an episode on autism
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and we said there's probably not an environmental factor. But
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: this was kind of interesting on the American Academy of
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Pediatrics website. This there was an article that came out
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four that talked about a journal paper
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: from Japan and showed that we don't know if there's
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: a causal relationship between screen time and autism, but in
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Japan they did a prospective cohort study of eighty four
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: thousand kids, so it's like a pretty big study that
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: showed that the more screen time that boys have, and
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: that was the surprising thing, is that boys made a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: big difference with screen times. So then we actually just
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: back up and say, the more screen time you had
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: at one year old predicted the rate of autism diagnosis
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: at three years old. So surprisingly, for boys it was
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: a big association, but for girls there was no association. Fascinating, right,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: because we know the boys get diagnosed much more frequently
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: than girls. But for kids who got one to two
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: hours of screen time per day, we're about twice as
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: likely to be diagnosed with autism at three years old,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and then two to four hours of screen time per day,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: we're three point five times more likely to be diagnosed
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: with autism. So kind of a fascinating study. It's one study,
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  Speaker 1: not enough to say like, oh, screens are absolutely associated
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  Speaker 1: with autism, but something we should continue to consider and
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  Speaker 1: look into.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I wonder then if this is looking at ages
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  Speaker 3: one and three, I think we both know or have
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  Speaker 3: seen that diagnoses autism, and girls tend to be harder
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  Speaker 3: to get. So I wonder if they would continue to
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  Speaker 3: like look at the children as they get older and
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  Speaker 3: as they're more like socially developed, is it can they
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  Speaker 3: potentially diagnose?
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful point? Bam, That's why I keep you around, Eddie.
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  Speaker 3: Man, I'd be thinking sometimes let's.
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  Speaker 1: Go so I'm hoping that they're continuing to follow these
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  Speaker 1: kids into their early adulthood so that we get some
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  Speaker 1: of those numbers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, look at that. Just fucking reading articles and ship.
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